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Speaker 1: Yeah I do?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's weird. I guess he does. He did call

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about a movie I really love,

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Speaker 2: which is Jennifer's Body from two thousand and nine. Another

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Speaker 1: Another movie. Yes, this is the second week of our

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Speaker 1: we last week's Midsommar episode that was the first watch

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Speaker 1: and quite honestly, I can't believe any of these have

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Speaker 2: And my name is Casey O'Briens. That's right, Halloween, ouen.

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Speaker 1: Vibe out when to go?

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Speaker 2: So that's the question. Okay, love you fye, this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now this is a really ideal I this is

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Speaker 2: God doesn't that kind of color the movie going a

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Speaker 1: Oh hell, it happened at one battle after another.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, Louise. Don't you think think though you would enjoy

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Speaker 1: Y'all love this shit. Y'all love blind boxes, you love

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Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, I really do we love them? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's interesting, that is sort of a millennial love. Oh

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Speaker 1: You know, I've never had more conversations about limited edition

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all are the ones that are lighting up for

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Speaker 2: Where are these one time only sandwiches You've never had?

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Speaker 1: But you love, you love a unique you know see,

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Speaker 2: You know, my generation, we love them us millennials.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that has become such a thing. It's

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Speaker 1: Thank you, weezer face. I know that you've written before,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you went back and watched nose Rotto to

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I probably would have peed my pants

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Speaker 2: My concern for you, Millie. You're going into a movie

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Speaker 1: Don't show Nosferatu's dick after the credit sequence. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you know, if that's the kind of game your

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's close up the film diary.

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Speaker 1: God, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. All Right,

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Speaker 2: we're moving on to our main discussion. Jennifer's Body from

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, a movie that Millie just saw

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Speaker 2: for the first time. Thrilling, Millie. Do you feel like

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Speaker 2: It feels like that trend is kind of going away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like we're probably not. We're

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Speaker 2: I do think that's part of the elevated horror A

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there is something to that from a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't have anything else to expand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess we're gonna say spoiler alert

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Speaker 2: It's crazy to me this came out sixteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: We got to put a pin in that because there

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Speaker 2: But yes, in the.

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00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: Same way though that the movies of my childhood were.

442
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there was the one of the huge tropes

443
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: of sort of slasher films was the concept of like

444
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: popular kids getting killed first. Yeah, a lot of times, yes,

445
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: And that is something I actually appreciated about. A moment

446
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: in Jennifer's Body that we'll probably talk about was that

447
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: the head football player got shocked and I was like, cool, Yeah,

448
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've seen some like this.

449
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is interesting, yeah, because usually I think

450
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: the final girl is the more virginal, nerdy one. Typically,

451
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of a classic trope.

452
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Even though I think Jennifer's Body does really well by

453
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: subverting a lot of that kind of stuff, which we'll

454
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: also talk about, because I will say that before I

455
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: watched this film, I had always heard about this film,

456
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: and I had always heard about it being a feminist

457
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: horror film. Yes, And I don't know what your thoughts

458
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: are about that. You might have none, which is fine.

459
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: You don't have to have feminist thoughts. I mean, actually

460
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: you do. It is important for you to have feminist.

461
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Thoughts, but just as it pertains to this specific movie, correct.

462
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: Like I guess it's not. I guess it's more that, like,

463
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: not every movie needs to be discussed socio politically. I guess. Sure,

464
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: my mind just goes there because that's just my brain.

465
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: But there was moments in this film. After seeing it

466
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: finally I was like, oh, I see this is actually

467
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: kind of cool. There's a lot of cool things because

468
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: to your point, just now, like these girls are not

469
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: necessarily squeaky clean, even the one that is supposed to

470
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: be isn't. Yeah, isn't one hundred percent, which I think

471
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: is really cool. And they actually make some jokes to

472
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: things like that in the movie. But well, I mean, listen,

473
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: why don't we get into maybe the synopsis and yeah,

474
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: we go a little bit beat by bet because it

475
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: actually would love that.

476
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it. Well, Okay, so the movie is

477
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: about the characters Needy, Anita, Needy, Les, Niki played by

478
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Amanda Sefreed and Jennifer Check played by Megan Fox. They

479
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: are unlikely best friends. Needy is more of the bookish,

480
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: quieter one and Jennifer is the hottest, most popular girl

481
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: in school. Now they live in a small town, Devil's Kettle, Minnesota.

482
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: More on that later, and Jennifer wants to go see

483
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: this band from the cities named Low's Shoulder. They're playing

484
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: at like a local beer hall, and she wants to, like,

485
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: you know, hook up with them. But they go to

486
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: this concert and the place burns down and Jennifer kind

487
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: of disappears with the band in their van, and Nidia

488
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: is left wondering what's going to happen to her friend.

489
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: Like I said, this was a Minnesota movie. I like

490
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: Diablo Cody a lot.

491
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I love her.

492
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: She has kind of this Minnesota trilogy. Juno, Jennifer's Body,

493
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: and Young Adult all take place in Minnesota. Diablo Clodi

494
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: spent time living here for a long time, and I

495
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: like that. It's like, are just some Midwestern representation in

496
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: the movies? Like I don't feel like I feel like

497
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: the Midwest is typically portrayed like Fargo A lot of

498
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: the times and Minnesota specifically, and so I like that

499
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: they have the in her movies, the characters are very

500
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: smart and very funny and clever, and I feel like

501
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: they don't always Midwest movies, aren't. They don't always typically

502
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: portray people like that, you know what I mean?

503
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: So interesting giving some resentation to your folk, That's right.

504
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: What do you think about?

505
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: What do you have any opinions on Diablo Cody because

506
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: some people don't like the way she writes characters.

507
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: I actually like Diablo Cody. There might have been a

508
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: time where I was like, I felt like there was

509
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: so much energy in the culture behind Juno and I

510
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: was like, okay, like and we were at like peak

511
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Michael Sara too, which yeah, sorry, sorry about it.

512
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: It was just that moment, and that is peak I

513
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: guess you could say indie sleeves with like peak hipsterdom. Yes,

514
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: like at that time.

515
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so there was just like at general annoyance

516
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff I think in the time

517
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: for me. But then subsequently I liked things that she's made.

518
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: I loved Young Adult, I loved Lisa Frankenstein. I logged

519
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: that movie on this podcast, I believe, Yeah, And it

520
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: feels like she and I are probably around the same age.

521
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Actually she's a year older than me, so referentially it's

522
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: like I'm in sync with her. And sure, that's kind

523
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: of how I felt about Jennifer's body as well, even

524
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: though I have much, like I said, I have much

525
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: more to say about the style of this film because

526
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: of the era that was in. But yeah, I do

527
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: like and enjoy her work so well.

528
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, why don't we get into the the era

529
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: and the style of things, because that was something that

530
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: I really when I was watching this, because I probably

531
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: for the first time in like twenty eleven, and then

532
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: I watched it like five years ago again, and even

533
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: watching it five years ago, it didn't feel as much

534
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: of a would you say, relic of its time or

535
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: it didn't feel as dated. But watching it this time,

536
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: I was like, holy hell, this is like so squarely

537
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Just the style of it, the music,

538
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, the dialogue.

539
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: It was just like it.

540
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Really felt like from the past, Like it felt distant

541
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: to me, which I mean it was. It made me

542
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: nostalgic for that time, but it also just felt like

543
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: a really a bygone era. I don't know, if you

544
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: had a film similar experience watching.

545
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Yes and part of what I probably shouldn't spend any

546
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: time parsing out, although I literally can't help it. I

547
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: have to sure and being that you're a little younger

548
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: than me, this is probably going to be good intel

549
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: you're because I feel like you could explain this better.

550
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: I am extremely confused about EMO and the Emo eras

551
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: that have happened in our lives because when I was

552
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: in my late teens early twenties and I graduated high

553
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: school in nineteen ninety seven, Okay, Emo to me was

554
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: this like midwestern bald guy Jadetree Records thing where it

555
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of felt like an offshoot of like hardcore. But

556
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: the people involved in EMO, as I knew it, were

557
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: bands like The Promise Ring and like Texas is the Reason,

558
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: and you know, like jets to Brazil and things like that.

559
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Like I remember when the album Nothing Feels Good came

560
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: out by the Promise Ring in nineteen ninety seven. I

561
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: I that was the first EMO album that I bought

562
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: that I and I was like, oh my god, I

563
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: feel like I'm hanging out with is like a different

564
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: crowd of people, because it really wasn't my thing. I

565
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: was really more like in a punk rock but it

566
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: was like, it just felt like it was more kind

567
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: of guys and like, you know, Dicky's pants and like

568
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: tight little Dicky's jackets and like button ups. So as

569
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: the years went on, I started realizing that a lot

570
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: of what kids were calling EMO was more like what

571
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: this movie was, which is like kind of the like

572
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Fallout Boy, Pete Wentz, like jagged black hair, fingerless gloves,

573
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: like eyeliner thing, And I'm like, when did that happen?

574
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: I guess I'm yeah, you know, I'm not an expert

575
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to EMO, I do, but there are

576
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: like these little like offshoots, and I'm not sure how

577
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: to label them because there's like music like Dashboard Confessional

578
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: and American Football, which are not hardcore, right, they're not.

579
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: They're very but they are still very much in the

580
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: EMO genre. Yes, it's confusing, it's confounding, but I agree

581
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: in this movie it is more.

582
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Would you say it's like more.

583
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Of the Fallout Boy style of emo.

584
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that there's actually certain references

585
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: to EMO in the movie. I don't know if anybody

586
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: explicitly says it. Maybe Adam Brody's character says it because

587
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: we'll get into Adam Brody plays in a band in

588
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: the film, which I think upon first look and definitely

589
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: by the song, you would consider an emo band, I

590
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: think generally. But that's the thing is that all these

591
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: kids that are these emo kids in the film, which

592
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: by the way, Jennifer aka Megan Fox, aka the most

593
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: popular girl in her school, also has emo posters on

594
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: her bedroom wall, which is another branch that I refuse

595
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: to climb on this fucked up culture tree. But I'm

596
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: just saying I look at the kids in this movie,

597
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: especially in one in particular, which we'll get to later.

598
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I look at it. I was like, he looks like

599
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: he's in a nine inch nails. He doesn't look like

600
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: he's into emo music.

601
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: You're right though, that like, well, the guy I think

602
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: that I can't remember who the character's name, but he's

603
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: the guy with the lip ring right that yes goes

604
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: So he's like very emo fied with the spiky hair

605
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: and stuff. But that is how the That's how like

606
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Fallout Boy fans dressed or My Chemical Romance fans dressed,

607
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: and I think they adopted the like nine inch Nails

608
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: fan look, but had much more mild music taste, you know.

609
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean they looked like they were like the viral

610
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: video of those like crazy German people who were doing

611
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: the dance under the ridge, like they look like industrial kids.

612
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: They don't look like emo kids. But then again that's

613
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: me just being old.

614
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think it's the hot topic, the

615
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 4: hot topicization of fashion, like that there were there there

616
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: became kind of a commercial place that is selling this

617
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: stuff and making it more available, this type of fashion

618
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: of making it more available to the masses, you know.

619
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Well, And the only reason why I even talking about

620
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: this and why I guess it feels relevant is because

621
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: that's the world of this movie is really kind of

622
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: that like high school emo kid late two thousand's early

623
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: twenty tens kind of vibe. And the close the music,

624
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they're actually like talking about it. It's kind

625
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: of self referential in that way too, of the of

626
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: the era. And so I'm just like this missed me,

627
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this entire era, I was already

628
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: a working adult, so I was like, I don't know,

629
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: like when all the kids started wearing like, you know,

630
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: arm sleeves with stripes on them, and you know, Shane

631
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: wallats and stuff. And that's not to say like it's

632
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: not to say that I didn't enjoy it on some level.

633
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: It just was like I just wasn't nostalgic for it

634
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like something that I was deeply a

635
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: part of. Sure, But I will say it was really

636
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: fun to be with high school characters in a movie

637
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 1: like this because they were also like saying all their

638
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: lingo and all their words, which was so hilarious to me.

639
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I think people get mad at Diablo

640
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: Cody sometimes not mad, but like especially with Juno, because

641
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: they're like high school kids don't talk this way. They're

642
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: speaking too cleverly, and I think they thought Diablo Cody

643
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: was being like too clever with her lingo. But I

644
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: I really think it's so funny. I think she's very funny,

645
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: and it's like the things like the one liners that

646
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: Jennifer has are like really good. I don't know, and

647
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: I all felt like believable y'or not maybe not believable,

648
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: but in this world it felt appropriate for the characters

649
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: to be speaking this way. And I feel like there's

650
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: a lot of bad versions of this type of movie.

651
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: But dieblo Coti is able to do it well.

652
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we did a movie on I Saw what

653
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: You Did called Disturbing Behavior from nineteen ninety eight. Uh huh,

654
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: and the lingo in that movie is appalling. Sure, so

655
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Speaker 1: it could definitely be bad. But then there are times

656
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: too where that that seems cringe quote unquote at first,

657
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: but then it becomes part of the culture. I mean,

658
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: I think Mean Girls did that where yeah, I think

659
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Heathers did that. Heathers absolutely did that where you listen

660
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: to a movie and you listen to the kids talk

661
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: and it feels like clunky, but then eventually people are

662
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: saying shit like fetch or what's your damage? You know?

663
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Speaker 2: Well, I do think it takes a certain type of

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Speaker 2: actor to be able to say that stuff convincingly and

665
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: with good comedic delivery. And I feel like Megan Fox

666
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: is really good in this movie.

667
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Listen, Megan Fox can say literally anything she wants in

668
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: this era, but.

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Speaker 2: She also is doing it what I feel like she's

670
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: delivering it with such dead pan she's doing I don't know,

671
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Speaker 2: I just I thought she was great in this.

672
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Speaker 1: Of course you did, And this is what I don't

673
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: do that I want to get into this a little bit,

674
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: because Okay, I'm going to be one hundred percent honest

675
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: with you. I also missed Megan Fox alongside most movies

676
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: of the two thousands and Emo. Apparently I was not

677
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: around for her rise to Bemence.

678
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Speaker 2: You weren't buying Maxim magazine?

679
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: Was Maxim Magazine? I guess it was still being published.

680
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, two thousand and nine. Have you ever bought

681
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: a Maxim magazine?

682
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.

683
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: You didn't want to get like tips on how to

684
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: be like a stud. Here's how to pleasure your woman.

685
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: All you do is bring her flowers.

686
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't. I hate to burst your bubble. I don't

687
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: think they were. I don't think Maxim Magazine was as

688
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: thoughtful as like how to pleasure your your how to

689
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: get your partner to come. You know, I don't think

690
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: that was happening. I don't think they were concerned too

691
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: much about that. But anyways, I don't want to talk

692
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: about Maxim magazine.

693
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: You don't you really don't want to keep going, But listen,

694
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I missed Megan Fox. She in this film is kind

695
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: of like bionically good looking. Yeah, Like she doesn't even

696
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: seem like she's a real person sometimes h And I

697
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: think that's probably why she was in Maxim magazine for

698
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: all those years and why she continues to be like

699
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: one of the hottest ladies ever. But I feel like

700
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: because some of the criticism I think that I was

701
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: reading online and on letterbox specifically was the dance of,

702
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, being a feminist film but also having this

703
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: extremely beautiful woman in it who's, you know, sort of

704
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: a sex symbol for straight males, right, Yeah, But I

705
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: also think that that's I think part of I think

706
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: it's by design is basically what I mean is that, like,

707
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: she had to be that hot in a lot of

708
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: ways for the plot. But I also think too, I

709
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: mean part of the story here. I mean, the reason

710
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Speaker 1: why the movie is called Jennifer's Body, I feel like

711
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: is because we're actually seeing it, at least this is

712
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of my read on it. We actually see her

713
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: body and her sexuality through the lens of her best friend.

714
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Speaker 2: Interesting, yes, which.

715
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Speaker 1: I feel like it is something I don't think it's

716
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Speaker 1: been brought up necessarily in this specific way in a

717
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: lot of American films that I've seen about female friendships,

718
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: about the idea of in some friendships with females like

719
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: there is sometimes an undercurrent of desire and of a

720
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Speaker 1: closeness that kind of becomes a physical closeness too.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really I want to just say some

722
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: plot stuff and then I want you to pick up

723
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: exactly where you're talking, just so we can bring people

724
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Speaker 2: up to speed real quick.

725
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: Sure, But so basically we left off.

726
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: They go to the concert, it's on fire, they escape,

727
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: Jennifer goes with the band, and then we see Jennifer

728
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: later and something has happened to her and she starts

729
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: killing high school boys and eating them, and we're like,

730
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: what's going on? And like you said, this is all

731
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Speaker 2: seen through the lens of Needy. Needy is watching Jennifer.

732
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Speaker 2: She's like, what is going on with Jennifer? And then

733
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: it is revealed that Jennifer was killed by the band

734
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Speaker 2: Low's Shoulder in a sacrifice to Satan. And because like

735
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Speaker 2: we referenced earlier, she's not a virgin, but she in

736
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Speaker 2: order to be attractive to these guys, she's like, oh,

737
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Speaker 2: I am a virgin, and so they sacrifice her and

738
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: it goes wrong because she's not a virgin, and a

739
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: demon takes over her body and she is feasting needs

740
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: to feast on the flesh of boys. Like you said, Millie,

741
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Needy is like, this is all through Needy's let the

742
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: lens of Needy, and I do think this is like

743
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: a really fascinating female friendship movie. And there's even like

744
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: a makeout scene between them, which was not meant to

745
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: be a publicity thing. It's sort of supposed to be

746
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Speaker 2: like representative of the closeness of female friendship, wouldn't you say?

747
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: I agree? And it became a publicity thing because of

748
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Speaker 1: you guys, basically.

749
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Speaker 2: Of us of maximum subscribers, yes.

750
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Speaker 1: Lifelong subscriptions, all of you, because it's like, oh cool too,

751
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: hot chicks making out not a fantasy. Yeah, but obviously

752
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: it has a way kind of deeper meaning an implication

753
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: in the actual film, right, And you know, part of

754
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: what I like about the idea that this was directed

755
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: by a woman Karen Kusama and written by a woman Diabolkati,

756
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: is that they're able to make that even though y'all

757
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Speaker 1: ignored it, it's still in there. The context is essentially

758
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Speaker 1: like you said in the synopsis, right, Needy is a

759
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: bookish nerd and Jennifer is the hottest, most popular girl

760
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: in school, right, So there's a power dynamic between the

761
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Speaker 1: two of them since childhood. There are flashback sequences in

762
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Speaker 1: the film where they're like sitting around probably like seven

763
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Speaker 1: eight years old, and you can tell that Needy is

764
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: reverent towards Jennifer, right, because Jennifer is more outgoing, more dynamic,

765
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: better looking, like whatever. That stuff gets established super early.

766
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Speaker 1: And that is the thing that I've found always so

767
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Speaker 1: fascinating about female friendship movies is that some of the

768
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Speaker 1: better ones, you know, I'm thinking of movies like made

769
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Speaker 1: by Nicole Holoffen Center and you know, many many other

770
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: films not just in America but also internationally that can

771
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: really drill down into that power dynamic between two female

772
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Speaker 1: best friends. Because very believe there's always like the one

773
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Speaker 1: that feels like she can't say no to her friend,

774
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Speaker 1: and she knows that her friend is more popular and

775
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Speaker 1: more beautiful and more dynamic and is sort of being

776
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: like dragged around on a leash by her, yeah, in

777
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I mean this is something

778
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: that Media's boyfriend Chip also clocks about their friendship, like

779
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: He's like, what's the big why do you follow her around?

780
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: Why is she so? But then you know, in the

781
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: movie you look at Jennifer aka Megan Fox and you're like,

782
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 1: holy fuck, Yeah, I would do anything for her too.

783
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Speaker 2: But it is interesting because I feel like I've seen

784
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Speaker 2: that in real life.

785
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Speaker 1: Now.

786
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tend to know about the intimacies of

787
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: female friendship, but I have seen that where it's like

788
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: a friend will be like, no, I've got to take

789
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: care of her, like I it's like my duty. Like

790
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Amanda Seafreed's character Needy, it's almost like she feels this

791
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Speaker 2: duty even though she has this really complicated relationship with Jennifer.

792
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: She feels this like it's a she needs to be

793
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: a part of whatever is happening to Jennifer, and she

794
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: needs to like not take care of her necessarily, but

795
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: like figure out what's going on with her, you know,

796
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: like so much of her identity is wrapped up in that. Yeah.

797
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Speaker 1: And also there I feel like is queer undertones here too,

798
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: Like yes, where maybe Needy is is in love with Jennifer,

799
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Speaker 1: not just from like a friend perspective, but also like

800
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: wants to kiss her and wants to be physical with

801
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: her and admires her and all that stuff gets like

802
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of convoluted in a ways, especially as young women,

803
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: because you're kind of working it all out, you know,

804
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: and you're kind of hanging out with this one girl

805
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: constantly all the time, and you're in these very intimate

806
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: settings like sleepovers and showers in school and like things

807
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: like that, and this is something that you know, is

808
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot different between female friendships and

809
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: male friendships where I mean, you're like, I've I can't

810
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: even tell you how many times I've been I've slept

811
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Speaker 1: in bed with women. I still sleep in bed with

812
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: women when I'm on trips and stuff if I have to.

813
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: And there's a physical closeness sometimes between us that we're

814
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Speaker 1: able to kind of handle. I don't know if that's

815
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: the hard to say, like we can handle being physically

816
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: close with each other, Whereas I feel like in a

817
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of male friendships that's kind of a taboo thing.

818
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't feel like men see each

819
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: other naked ever, Yeah, And I feel like women do. Yeah,

820
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: And like you in a much.

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Speaker 1: More right you would never sleep in your underwear next

822
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Speaker 1: to like a male friend necessarily, no, whatever, you know,

823
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: Whereas that's happened to me, like I've done that even

824
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: though I'm not interested in women at all. But it's

825
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: almost like it's kind of just like, I don't know,

826
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like a big deal to me and

827
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: to us maybe yeah, sometimes, but I will I don't

828
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Speaker 1: want to like take away the queer reading of Needy

829
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Speaker 1: like either. I feel like, you know, there could be

830
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: feelings there that she hasn't explored yet, and there's probably

831
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: a lot of things in the movie that point to

832
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: that too. But yeah, all this to say, though, it's like,

833
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Speaker 1: I feel like the point of Megan Fox being Megan

834
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Speaker 1: Fox and being in this movie is that she is

835
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Speaker 1: supposed to be the ideal right, like the ideal high

836
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: school popular girl, gorgeous, perfect body, all of the things. Yeah,

837
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: and everything kind of swirls around her in that way. Yeah.

838
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean, the movie goes on and you know, Needy

839
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: realizes that Jennifer is pure evil. She's trying to protect

840
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Speaker 2: Chip from Jennifer, but she's like, we need to break

841
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: up basically because it's not safe for us to be together,

842
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: which also feels like kind of like maybe she's making

843
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: way for more like Jennifer to be in her life more.

844
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a reading of that, like, yeah,

845
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: using this as an opportunity to get away from Chip.

846
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 2: And she tells him don't go to the homecoming dance

847
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: because she Jennifer's gonna eat everyone at the homecoming dance basically,

848
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: But he does not listen to her, and he goes

849
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: to the home coming dance anyway, and on the way there,

850
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: Jennifer intervenes and she's like seduces him and unfortunately kills

851
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: our suite Chip and thoughts on Ship, Well, I really

852
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: like that actor Johnny Simmons, and I feel like he's

853
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: very representative of this time. He was in Scott Pilgrim

854
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: as Young Neil, which I know is a movie that

855
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: you loathe, but I love. And he he was in

856
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: Perks of Being a Wallflower. He just has that like

857
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: perfect sweet face with the swoopy hair. I mean, he

858
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: has hair I would have killed for.

859
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, oh yeah, I would have liked.

860
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Speaker 2: That was like the kind of hair I would pray

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Speaker 2: to God for. But I really like and he was

862
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: the He was originally in the short film version of Whiplash,

863
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: but then they recast his role with Miles Teller for

864
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Speaker 2: the feature film.

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Speaker 1: But I Chip is a little sweetie. Yeah, he felt

866
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Speaker 1: like pretty evolved as a high school kid. I will

867
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Speaker 1: say absolutely yes, without being like too unrealistic. I felt

868
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Speaker 1: like he was kind of a good, good guy in

869
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: that in the movie, right, Yeah, absolutely. I did think

870
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: it was really disturbing that Jennifer like seduced him, like

871
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: she sprinkled that earlier in the movie too, being like

872
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: he's looking really good lately. Yeah, because that is the

873
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: thing too about this movie being a tale of female

874
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: friendship high school of female friendship, is that Jennifer sucks

875
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: as a friend. She's not a good friend, and she

876
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: knows that she has power over nity. She knows that

877
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: Needy is her kind of like dutiful little nerd friend,

878
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: and that she can get all the boys that she wants,

879
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: and she uses that for evil, And it just was like,

880
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you knew it was going there, and I

881
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: mean I knew it was going there first time watch.

882
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, she's gonna try to fuck

883
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: this guy, isn't she? Oh this awful?

884
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: And also because I feel like he did, he's never

885
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: seduced by her or i mean until the end, but

886
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: he does not find he does not have eyes for her.

887
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: You know during the movie.

888
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that they're Oh my god, I

889
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: don't even know if I should reveal this. This might

890
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: be too personal.

891
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: You can do it, Millie, up to you.

892
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: Well. I once had a friend who made out with

893
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: this guy that I was dating or seeing or situationing

894
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: with by a dilapidated, half empty pool, and it was awful.

895
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: It felt awful to me. Yeah, and I was like,

896
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: is she about to fucking rickroll this motherfucker by the pool?

897
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been here, baby, this sucks. This sucks,

898
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: and like that's the thing to your point. At first,

899
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: he's like, I can't believe I'm making out with Jennifer.

900
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: She's like the hottest girl. But I mean, eventually he

901
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: pulls away and he's like, dude, this is weird. But

902
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: they got into some lots of smooches before.

903
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like Sam better than Needy?

904
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Why? Oh that was awful. That was the villain turn

905
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: of villains. I was like, oh, I can't believe it,

906
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: Like this is exactly what I did not want for Needy,

907
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: but it happened. Yeah, I don't care if she was

908
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: a suckubist, that's just mean.

909
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: It's just mean, and it's something she might have done

910
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: even if she wasn't killing and eating boys, you know,

911
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: but she does get I feel like that is when

912
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: she gets most pissed off at Needy, when she when

913
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 2: like Needy's like, did you have to go after Chip?

914
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: Are you that? Like?

915
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: Are you that insecure? Like she flies off the handle

916
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: at that point.

917
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And that's when, I mean, that's when

918
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: it becomes like, Okay, you must yeah, you must destroy.

919
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: I will say I feel like the end of this

920
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: movie could have been tightened up a little bit. I know,

921
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: we're not really you know, this isn't really necessarily like

922
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: film criticism, but it felt like there were a few

923
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: There was like three endings to the movie, and it

924
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: feels like those could have been all put together.

925
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I get that you have to

926
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: you would have to put the Suckubist in the ground.

927
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: You need to do that. And I definitely feel like

928
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: you need to have killed low Shoulder in some way, yes,

929
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: But that did feel like two distinct endings that I

930
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it worked. And then there was the.

931
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Insane Asylum stuff too, like it just was like, Okay,

932
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: we need to get out of here. I just think

933
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: we needed to get out of there a little faster.

934
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: But that's that's that's a very small criticism of the movie.

935
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of Low Shoulder, Yes, horrible name for a band,

936
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: even in a movie. Horrible name for man. Sorry, couldn't

937
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: stand it. I was like, who the fuck would go

938
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: see Low Shoulder?

939
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: Adam Brody is the lead singer of Low Shoulder.

940
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: Adam Brody was giving Brandon flowers from The Killers. There

941
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: are times where I literally was looking at him on

942
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: the movie going are we sure that that's not the

943
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: lead singer of The Killers.

944
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like Adam Brody. I'm an out Adam Brody fan.

945
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: I think he's funny.

946
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean who didn't like him in this era?

947
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: His peak era? Yeah? But uh yeah, that's that when

948
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: the whole when that whole band thing came into play,

949
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna see

950
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: these Satan worshiping emo guys reek havoc on a town

951
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: with their stupid fucking song, which became the funniest part.

952
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: Was it it a lot? It's a lot like Heathers

953
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: the movie Heathers in His Way, where a song becomes

954
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: the like National Mourning Cry for like a tragedy, and.

955
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: That song really got I don't think it's a good song,

956
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: but it was stuck in my head since I've watched it.

957
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: Through the Trees, yes, but like there was like this,

958
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this is so dark, but it's like there

959
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: was the scene of the people at the candlelight vigil

960
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: and they were all like mouthing the words to the

961
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: song cheese.

962
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: I mean that is obviously like something that has happened

964
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: in other movies before, just the criticism of the whole

965
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: like grief culture of yeah, you know, teenagers and that

966
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But it's like, yeah, that band, holy shit,

967
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: they were terrible and uh but perfect for Adam Brodie

968
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: to be that.

969
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

970
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: Right. You know, it was interesting watching this.

971
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: You know, this is like a comedy horror essentially, and

972
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: so and the kills are like so outrageous, but I

973
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: found myself feeling very disturbed, like affected by the killings

974
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: and like particularly like when Jennifer gets killed. Yeah, and

975
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: like I was kind of joking at the top when

976
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: I was like, we need to have high schoolers killed

977
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: more often. And maybe it's just me getting older, but

978
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: it made this movie weirdly as like over the top

979
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: as it is did make me think about like school

980
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: shootings in a way that I feel like movies that

981
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: are trying to address that more straight on don't make

982
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: me feel as much as like this type of movie.

983
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: So I thought it was effective. I thought it was

984
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: pretty gnarly. Like.

985
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: There was a couple of really not only parts. I mean,

986
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: the first part being something that happens kind of early

987
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: on in the movie, where Jennifer comes to like Needie's house,

988
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, this is so funny. So like, first of all,

989
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Amy Saidara's plays Needy's mom, which is nice. I wish

990
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: she was in the movie more.

991
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: To be honest, you have to think there's some stuff

992
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: on the editing room floor. Might it's really funny?

993
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: It might have been, But like Nabi's mom brought home

994
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: a chicken from Boston Market, Yeah, which my mom used

995
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: to do a lot.

996
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, me too, where Tistry chicken was a very

997
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: big part of our lives.

998
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember that boss still is? Do you remember

999
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: that Boston Market corn bread? Oh delicious?

1000
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: I remember their mashed potatoes are really good too.

1001
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used to make these little mini corn breads.

1002
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm like yo, mom, get like twelve of them shits.

1003
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: I can't get enough. But then she, you know, basically

1004
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: Jennifer reveals herself to be a demon by way of

1005
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: this rotissery chicken and she pukes up all this crazy

1006
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: black stuff and I was like, oh my god, this

1007
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: is pretty gross. And then there was the sequence after

1008
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: she killed the jock, the popular football player yeah in

1009
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: the woods, viscerated him, like pulled out all of his

1010
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: parts and was like literally drinking his blood from his

1011
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: like chest cavity. Yeah, And I was like, goddamn, yes.

1012
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that because I feel like it became

1013
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: such a thing, especially with horror movies where they're like,

1014
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: this horror movie needs to be PG thirteen so high

1015
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: schoolers will go see it. And I liked that this

1016
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: was a hard r yes, so it made it more

1017
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: effective well anything else about Jennifer's body.

1018
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: Actually liked this movie a lot more than I thought

1019
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: I would.

1020
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: That's great. I think this was sort of thrown on

1021
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: a trash heat for a long time, and it's gotten

1022
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people, like there's a big reevaluation of it,

1023
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: and people are like, actually, this movie is awesome. But

1024
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: at the time it was a failure and people thought

1025
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: it was bad and stupid. But I feel like it's

1026
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 2: aged well well.

1027
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: From what I read, it was mismarketed. And that's the

1028
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: problem is that they made, you know, women made a

1029
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: very thoughtful horror film with feminist subtext, and then it

1030
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: got marketed as a mechan Fox movie, or they try

1031
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: to market it to young men. Yeah, and so I

1032
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: mean those two things are like not they are mutually exclusive.

1033
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: So it's like, I see what happened obviously, Yeah, but

1034
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are reevaluating it, honestly because it plained.

1035
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: When I was living in LA used to play at

1036
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: the New Beverly all the time, and I'm like, oh, man,

1037
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I should go see this, and I never did. Even

1038
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: like the poster.

1039
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: It's like, this looks not that interesting. It looks like

1040
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: American pie presents, you know, like j Jennifer's Body. Uh.

1041
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: But like after you watch it, you're like, this feels

1042
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: like a movie for women. And I say that in

1043
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: a complimentary way, but it's like funny that they're like,

1044
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: we got to take this and make it for men.

1045
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: But I know, and that's the power of Megan Fox.

1046
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: I suppose unfortunately. I mean it's like, I'm glad she

1047
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: was in this movie.

1048
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly me too.

1049
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: Like she is. You know, there's probably a lot of

1050
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: like film theory, the star theory or whatever about her,

1051
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: but it's like, I mean, she is absolutely like the star,

1052
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: Like she really is extremely hard to not watch when

1053
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: you're in the movie. And it's not just her looks.

1054
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like her, like you said, kind

1055
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: of her countenance, her I mean, the ways that she's

1056
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: killing and like devouring these guys in this movie.

1057
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, it ain't pretty like and I think she's

1058
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: when she's like seducing them with the intent to kill them.

1059
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: I thought she was scary.

1060
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: She's locked in, Yeah, I mean she is. It makes

1061
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: me sad though that this was such a because I

1062
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: just feel like she's not offered roles like the like

1063
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: you just wonder if this had been a bigger hit

1064
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: or like, I don't know, people took her more seriously, yeah,

1065
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: because I don't know.

1066
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like she should have like a big

1067
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: second act, like she should come back and just be

1068
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: in some fucked up art shit, Like.

1069
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: I feel like she was really funny in the movie.

1070
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: This is forty two. If you ever saw that jutt

1071
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: Apatam movie, she's really good in that, but that's like

1072
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: a supporting character, you know.

1073
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be great to see her do some

1074
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: more stuff like this or just more kind of like challenging. Yeah,

1075
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean she.

1076
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 5: Was.

1077
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: She was up and them goods, she was eating shits

1078
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: like no tomorrow, and I was like, this is awesome. Yeah,

1079
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: like this is so awesome to see something this gnarly.

1080
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: So yeah. And I liked the song by Hole and

1081
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: it's not even in the movie. M oh yeah, because

1082
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: it ends on Violet.

1083
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: Which sounds like which sounds like a gun club song,

1084
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: but that's not for neither here nor there. Yeah, I

1085
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: all in all, I think I rated this like at

1086
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: least four stars in my letterbox, Not like that means anything,

1087
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: but did you rate it?

1088
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: I feel like you don't frequently rate on letterbox.

1089
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't, afraid. I don't like committing to

1090
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: a star system that I feel is inherently flawed. But

1091
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: I gave it a high rating, and because I think

1092
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: I just wanted to like give it something. Yeah, But

1093
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I would,

1094
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: And I actually think it's really textured and complex and interesting,

1095
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: and I love the female friendship stuff that to me

1096
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: was fantastic.

1097
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: So well, I think Karnkusam is a great We didn't

1098
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about Krnkussam at all, but she's a

1099
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: great director and she's done some really great stuff and

1100
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: I want her to keep making movies. I feel like

1101
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: she's like had a few movies that like were marketed wrong,

1102
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: and I just feel like she's kind of been fucked over,

1103
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 2: like with Ion Flux, that was the movie she did.

1104
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: But she's awesome.

1105
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets, right, did she do yellow?

1106
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: She did a lot of Yellow Jackets too. She did

1107
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: a great movie called The Invitations. You ever saw that

1108
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 2: horror movie? That one's really good. She's great.

1109
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1110
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: AnyWho, moving on, all right, everybody, now it is time

1111
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: for another one of our segments, my area of expertise,

1112
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: and we've got a great guest today. We're thrilled to

1113
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: have him. You may know him from Difficult People. You

1114
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: may know him from the wonderful Hal Hartley films, Henry

1115
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: fool Faye grim Ned Rifle. Plus he's popped in some

1116
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: huge movies lately. Oppenheimer, The Fableman's James Urbaniak, thank you

1117
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: so much for joining us.

1118
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Glad to some fellow cineasts

1119
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: as we say.

1120
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes, well, so you're a part of this section we

1121
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: call my area of expertise, which is where we bring

1122
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: on a guess and we have them bring their area

1123
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: of expertise or something that they're just extra passionate about,

1124
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: and we like it when it's really specific. And I

1125
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: personally love your area of expertise because this is a

1126
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: great film and just broadly the genre is one of

1127
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: my favorite genres, and your area of expertise.

1128
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 3: Is, oh well, I mean I chose my Man Godfrey

1129
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: as the.

1130
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: Film, the thirty six version, right, not.

1131
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 3: The only version that matters. Yes, I've never seen the remake.

1132
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: Actually I haven't either, have you, Milly? Okay, oh you haven't.

1133
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: I have not, But I guess that certainly. I don't

1134
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 3: want to say I'm an expert, but that era nineteen

1135
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: thirties Hollywood, the sort of Golden Age, is something I'm

1136
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: very interested in. So I guess inadvertently I've become an

1137
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: expert just because I've watched so much of that. I

1138
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: certainly have a pin.

1139
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: Sure but that way, well, on this show, that's what

1140
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: makes you an experts.

1141
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: That's an expert.

1142
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so i'd say, yeah, thirties, well, whatever you know,

1143
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: classic Hollywood era, whatever you know, screw early twentieth century, screwbat.

1144
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 3: Comedy is certainly an area that I love very much.

1145
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: And this is just one of my favorite movies. I

1146
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: think it's a perfect movie.

1147
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: So and when when did you first see this movie?

1148
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: How old were you?

1149
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 3: I was around eighteen when I first saw this. And

1150
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: the story is I was in college and I met

1151
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: a guy named Anthony, and this is in New Jersey.

1152
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: And I wasn't particularly into movies when I was a kid.

1153
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean I would enjoy movies. And when I was

1154
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: a kid, there was lots of old stuff on TV,

1155
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: local TV, you know. And one significant thing was there

1156
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: was a local station in New York. I lived in

1157
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 3: New Jersey, but we got New York stations, of course,

1158
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: and there was a local station that every Thanksgiving they

1159
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: would play King Kong during the day. Now, there's no

1160
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving theme in King Kong. I mean, the main characters

1161
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: are thankful they've found this giant chase to profit from

1162
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 3: before things go bad. I think it was just they thought, oh,

1163
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: families will like this because older people know the movie,

1164
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: kids will be into it, and it probably did great

1165
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: ratings one year, and they were like, let's to show

1166
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: King Kong again. So sure that was the first And

1167
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 3: I probably first saw this when I was like seven

1168
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 3: or something on this local TV station, loved it, watched

1169
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: it again next year, and then quickly became kind of

1170
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 3: obsessed with the movie King Kong. And looking back, I

1171
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: think that part of what compelled me so much was

1172
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: it's a great movie and obviously very appealing to kids.

1173
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: But I think part of it was even the disc

1174
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 3: of it being a movie from nineteen thirty three, the

1175
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: fact that it wasn't black and white, the fact that

1176
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,919
Speaker 3: the stop motion is a little jerky looking, the fact that,

1177
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: by the way, sidebar, not all nineteen thirties acting is

1178
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: like this. There are streams of acting in any given era,

1179
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: but there is a stream of say, what are you

1180
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: doing acting on that movie? That's not the movie. That's

1181
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: not the kind of activists in Mimagafrey, by the way.

1182
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: But I think even that the sort of oddness of

1183
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: some of the performances by contemporary standards intrigued me. So

1184
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: it was the whole package anyway. So that was the

1185
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 3: first time I was really interested in an old movie.

1186
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 3: But it was only that movie. I really wasn't looking

1187
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 3: to watch other movies from that era. And then when

1188
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: I went to college, I met this kid. They became

1189
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 3: good friends. This is like the early eighties. His dad

1190
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: worked for RCA, and in the seventies, because his dad

1191
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: worked for RCA, they got one of the first chess machines.

1192
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: They were early adapters, like before most people had them.

1193
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: And the first tapes that were available were like old

1194
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: movies because back then there was no pipeline. It wasn't

1195
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 3: like the Sting would come out and that would be

1196
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: on VHS in two months. That just wasn't a thing.

1197
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 3: So a lot of it was older stuff where the

1198
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 3: rights were easier to get. So his dad just started

1199
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 3: bringing home all these old movies on VHS's and then

1200
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: this kid, Anthony, just got into this stuff. He just

1201
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: liked it. And by the time I met him, we

1202
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: were like freshmen in college. He already had like an

1203
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: encyclopedic knowledge of classic Hollywood cinema because he lived in

1204
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: a house where they watched these old movies, and we

1205
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: were just hanging out when he's like, hey, you want

1206
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 3: to watch something, and I've got these old movies, and

1207
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: in one of those early times that we hung out,

1208
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 3: he put on My Man Godfrey and I freaking loved it.

1209
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: I just got very into I really loved it. And

1210
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: meanwhile Anthony was like, that actor's name is Franklin Pangborn,

1211
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 3: like he's pointing out the supporting actors and then moving.

1212
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 3: So he actually gave me this guy, Anthony gave me

1213
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: my first film education. And then actually years later he

1214
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: ended up working at Eastmanhouse in Rochester, New York, which

1215
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: is a film preservation institute. So he's actually doing what

1216
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: he loves, which is great. But so he's the one

1217
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 3: who kind of opened the door on this stuff. And

1218
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: then it just so happens that I was also disposed

1219
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 3: to like this stuff. Not everybody does, and that's fine,

1220
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, but I just got into it, and then

1221
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: that's never ended. I continue to be fascinated, but that

1222
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 3: also remains. That was an early classic Hollywood movie that

1223
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 3: had a real effect on me. But you know, I

1224
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: watched it again this week to prepare for this, and sure,

1225
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: it just holds up big time, like it's still one

1226
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: of my favorite films.

1227
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean it feels so you know, not every like

1228
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: you said, not every movie from the nineteen thirties feels

1229
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: modern or feels the comedy in it. I was surprised

1230
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: it felt very modern. I totally feel like nineteen thirty

1231
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: six whenever it came.

1232
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 3: Well, you've got a great director, Gregory Lecava and Gregor

1233
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 3: ar Lekava is interested in various things, but one thing

1234
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 3: that's interesting to him is sort of a kind of naturalism.

1235
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 3: He kind he kind of goes against like conventions of

1236
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: the time where there's sometimes there's a sort of presentational

1237
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 3: quality to nineteen thirties acting because the conventions haven't been established.

1238
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: Talkies have only existed for so many years, so there

1239
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 3: are some movies where people are doing a more sort

1240
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 3: of presentational kind of acting. But his thing is always

1241
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: get everyone to be very natural and even there's a

1242
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 3: there's a couple performances which are some of my favorites

1243
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: in mymc godfrey that are very heightened comedically, like Alice

1244
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 3: Brady who plays the mother the sort of hair brained,

1245
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: you're upset and calm though, yes, but even she that

1246
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 3: is not a realistic character. That's a very heightened comedic character.

1247
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: But there's a kind of crazy freedom that Alice Brady

1248
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 3: has in that role that's spontaneous and within the reality

1249
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: of that character, it rings true. It doesn't seem forced,

1250
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem fake. And then my god, you can

1251
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 3: just go Carol Lombard and William Powell are just so

1252
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: wonderfully natural. Carol Lombard is so effortlessly funny. No one

1253
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 3: seems like they're putting on an act, even though the

1254
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 3: character of Godfrey is kind of putting on an act.

1255
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 3: But everyone just seems spontaneous and the emotions seem very real,

1256
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 3: and the script is really tight and really funny, and

1257
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the least dated movies of

1258
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: that era. I agree with you one hundred percent. It

1259
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: holds up big time.

1260
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: I would say every I would say in this film.

1261
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that feels, at least for me personally,

1262
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: at all unbelievable is the idea that dapper William Powell

1263
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: is an unhoused person at the beginning of this film, right, yes,

1264
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: and Forgotten Man. We find out more about that later,

1265
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: but when you first see him, I mean, for me,

1266
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: William Powell is gonna be Nick from the Thin Man

1267
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: movies for the rest you know, this is just who

1268
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: I see. He's always a dapper guy to bow tie

1269
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: with a martini. And so when you first see him

1270
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning of My Man Godfrey, you're like, oh, wait,

1271
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: what has a beard? Like, Yeah, I don't think I'm

1272
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 1: seeing William Powell with a full beard. This is crazy.

1273
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him.

1274
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean he gets uh, he gets Willim powells pretty quickly.

1275
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 3: He shaved the beard. Yeah, he cleans up. He cleans

1276
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 3: up within the first ten minutes of the movie.

1277
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Actually kind of like him with the beard. I thought.

1278
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, looks pretty good. Actually with that,

1279
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: I agree with you.

1280
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 3: I like him with the beard. It's actually like when

1281
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 3: I was doing some research, there's like an old some movie.

1282
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: It's probably some period thing that takes place like in

1283
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: another century where he's got long hair, and he actually

1284
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: looks kind of cool with long hair. It's a wind obviously,

1285
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: like it's supposed to be old timy times or something.

1286
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I love him because he has he

1287
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: has this wonderful rye quality and in a way I

1288
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 3: think he sort of resembles it is almost the forerunner

1289
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 3: of Donald Sutherland or even Jeff Goldblum, if you will,

1290
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: who both have a kind of rye attack. You know,

1291
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 3: they seem really bright, but they they have a kind

1292
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: of rye even sarcastic default, and they're also very attractive

1293
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 3: leading men. I think he's in that tradition.

1294
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: They kind of have the they're kind of have like

1295
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: an observ they're they're kind of above the scene. They're

1296
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: kind of looking they're outside of it a little bit,

1297
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: sort of reacting in that all all those guys.

1298
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the character of Godfrey is sort of outside

1299
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 3: reacting to all this. And last night I was thinking, well,

1300
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: Donald Sutherland would actually be really good in this, but

1301
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 3: would have been really good in this like seventies Donald

1302
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: telling absolutely.

1303
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: Now when you saw this movie, James, you know you

1304
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: were saying you had kind of you were disposed to

1305
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: this type of movie at a very young age. Was

1306
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 2: there any recognition on your part that you're like, it's

1307
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: sort of maybe I don't want to say odd, but

1308
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: like unusual for a like an eighteen year old to

1309
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: be like loving a movie from the nineteen thirties at

1310
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: this time.

1311
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I know, I know, Yeah, I

1312
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: didn't think it was that unusual. I think part of

1313
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: it was, I think there was a hard wire and me,

1314
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: this is when I was eighteen. I did not think

1315
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a professional actor. I was sort

1316
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 3: of leaning towards the arts, but I was leaning towards

1317
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 3: like graphic design or being a cartoonist or something like that. Yeah,

1318
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: but I think I had some sort of, you know,

1319
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: incipient interest in acting and performing because the acting in

1320
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: this movie is so beautiful. Some of my favorite performances

1321
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 3: of all timer in this movie. And I think before

1322
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 3: I even understood that, I think part of me was

1323
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: still responding to that. For me, it was just about

1324
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: a sort of very intense sort of fascination and interest

1325
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: in this stuff. But I mean I always, you know,

1326
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 3: I was a skinny, little arty guy. I always felt

1327
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 3: like a bit of an outsider when I was younger.

1328
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 3: So that was just that was just part of the package.

1329
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can I ask you a little bit about

1330
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: screwball comedies and like maybe, yeah, but it makes them

1331
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: so appealing to you and maybe like some of your

1332
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 1: favorite screwball comedy films and apps.

1333
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I mean, my gosh, I mean one of

1334
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 3: my favorites is Nothing Sacred, directed by William Wellmans During

1335
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 3: Frederick Marsh and Carol again. I think, right, isn't it

1336
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 3: Carol Lombard, Yeah, yeah, she's really good at this. It's

1337
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: really fun because it's their rom coms, but their rom

1338
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: coms with a sort of heightened comedic element to them.

1339
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: I think you could count His Girl Friday's as screwball

1340
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: comedy because that, of course, is based on a play

1341
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: that was about a boss and a guy, and they

1342
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 3: made it into a boss and a girl, so they

1343
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 3: rom commed it. But the play itself is this kind

1344
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 3: of hilarious, very heightened farce. It's those two elements sort

1345
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 3: of I kind of over the top comedy that sort

1346
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: of pushes the boundaries of naturalism, but then with the

1347
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 3: sort of romance set in center, and somehow that bland

1348
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 3: just really works. I mean, in the forties, Preston Sturges

1349
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: and stuff is I think you could count that as

1350
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 3: screwball because there's this farcical kind of structure, but then

1351
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 3: there's always these romances. So Miracle Morgan's Creek and the

1352
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 3: Palm Beach story, his stuff is incredible.

1353
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: I would say Joel McCrae is maybe my favorite of

1354
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: the screwball comedy actors, even though he was not specifically

1355
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: a screwball guy. I mean he did westerns obviously later,

1356
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: but it's like his vibe in those Preston Sturgis movies

1357
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: is so great because.

1358
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 3: He's so so great, just.

1359
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: Like he's tall and gorgeous, but he's like kind of

1360
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: weirdly monotone, sarcastic. He like has this vibe to him

1361
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,919
Speaker 1: that is so he's just like an avatar for whatever

1362
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: is going to happen in the film.

1363
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 3: And he's just reacting to stuff like a regular guy.

1364
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 3: And he doesn't his performance isn't particularly heightened. He's not acting.

1365
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 3: He's just sort of there and behaving and reacting. And

1366
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 3: that makes it all the funnier because if you have

1367
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 3: a crazy farce but you ground it in some sort

1368
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: of reality, it's just going to be funnier. And that's

1369
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 3: the same effect that Miman Godfrey has. The bulk of

1370
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 3: the cast are actually very grounded and real within a

1371
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: heightened comedic universe. And those two, those two fronts meet

1372
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: and it's a shower of pleasure. Thank you A.

1373
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: Little metaphor there.

1374
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 3: I got to take that one back. I don't like

1375
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 3: the way it came out, but it's too late now.

1376
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: And like I wanted to ask maybe to you specifically,

1377
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: James about I mean, something that I just love about

1378
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,879
Speaker 1: screwball comedy is in particular and especially My Man Godfrey,

1379
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: are like the character actors that are always in these

1380
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: films My Bread but I know, I figured, I love

1381
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: Gene Dixon in My Man Goffe. She plays the kind

1382
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: of the housekeeper who's just like perpetually over it and

1383
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like reading everybody to filth all

1384
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: the time, which is great. And then Eugene Palette, who

1385
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: has in The Lady Eve but like you could in

1386
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: the minute you exactly you hear him talk, and I

1387
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: just I think that's what I love the most about

1388
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: screwball comedies is that you're constantly getting these like side

1389
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: characters that are in in there, and then you find

1390
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: out that a lot of these people have been like

1391
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: two hundred films or something they teached are in tons

1392
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:45,919
Speaker 1: of movies.

1393
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 3: And then another thing. Misha Auer, who plays the mother's

1394
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 3: protege's young he's this young leech. Also, the Great Depression

1395
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 3: is a major part of the story.

1396
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: Yes.

1397
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: So he's this young sort of pseudo artiste guy who

1398
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: just hangs out with them, who was like the mom's companion,

1399
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 3: not sexually. I don't think they're really suggesting that, but

1400
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: they just go out together. They go to shows, to

1401
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 3: god to eat together. Pet he's a little pet and

1402
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 3: he there's one point where he's also very he's very

1403
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 3: theatrical too. And at one point, another great joke is

1404
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 3: the father is talking about their financial issues and then

1405
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: he goes, oh, money, that's Frankenstein monster that destroys souls.

1406
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 3: Carlo says that mitche haaris Russian, he's a Russian act

1407
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 3: and he is off. And then the mother's like, oh, Carlo,

1408
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: have some a dirts and then he immediately comes over

1409
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 3: and starts eating a dirts. You knows where he knows where.

1410
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 3: He's so good being fed. And then I got to

1411
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: say again, Alice Brady, who's a veteran actress. She she

1412
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: was a Broadway actress. She did theater and she's in

1413
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 3: a lot of films. She has like a very serious

1414
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: dramatic role. And Young Mister Lincoln john Ford's movie about

1415
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: Lincoln with Henry Fonda. There's like a court case that

1416
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 3: he does, and she's the mother of this family that

1417
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: he's helping out. It's very serious, but her performance in

1418
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 3: this is not only one of my favorite comedy performances

1419
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 3: of all time, but one of my favorite performances of

1420
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 3: all time, because I just find her endlessly hilarious as

1421
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: this completely idiotic rich lady sort of where Kyl Lombard's

1422
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: character might be heading if she doesn't find the right person.

1423
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: Alice Brady. Also, that performance I don't think has dated

1424
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: a second. You could if you had a comedy, that

1425
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 3: performance would just seem perfect if it was shot yesterday.

1426
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,959
Speaker 3: And it's again, it's a very heightened performance, has completely

1427
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 3: beyond the parameters of realism, but it totally works. Like

1428
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: I said before, it just rings true.

1429
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: It's so funny because what I want rewatch this movie again.

1430
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: I started thinking, I was like, I think that's how

1431
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: my mother would act if she had like just completely

1432
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: like no street smarts, completely clueless, just like having you know,

1433
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: this guy kind of play piano and eat or dervs

1434
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: around her all the time. It's also a love about

1435
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: my man Godfrey. The idea of this kind of like

1436
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: how the rich people live type of vibe where it's

1437
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: like their prote like like rich people have proteges, which

1438
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: is an interesting concept to me. But then also they

1439
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: do scavenger hunts where there's like tons and tons of

1440
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: people involved and they're in teams and they're like, you know,

1441
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like this big party where they're

1442
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: all in, you know, which is how William Powell gets

1443
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: involved in this family to be.

1444
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: The inciting incident is these rich people during the depression

1445
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: in Manhattan are on a scavenger hunt and they have

1446
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: to find things like whatever a Japanese goldfish and a

1447
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: goat the mother brings in a goatate down somewhere, and

1448
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: then one of the items is a forgotten man, which

1449
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 3: of course was a phrase there's you know about the

1450
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: generation of young men who went to World War One

1451
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: and then suddenly the fucking economy falls apart and now

1452
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: they can't get a job, Like we went out here,

1453
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 3: we put our lives on the line, and many of

1454
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: us died, and those of us who lived are back

1455
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 3: and now we can't get a job, like America has

1456
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: fucked us over, and they was afraid. There's a song

1457
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: culture remember my forgotten Man. It's like in an old movie,

1458
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 3: so that was a phrase. But it's also showing the

1459
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 3: depraved indifference of these rich people to just go out

1460
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 3: and grab a homeless guy basically for their own amusement.

1461
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: It's disgusting. And of course and the you know Godfrey,

1462
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: it's not a major spoiler if you haven't seen it,

1463
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 3: but semi spoiler. We learned that he's actually from the

1464
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 3: upper class but because of a romantic problem. Yes, he

1465
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 3: had a very very bad breakup. A girl broke off

1466
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: with them.

1467
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: Get into that too much, and he had a major.

1468
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 3: Downward spiral and he basically was going to throw himself

1469
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: into the East River and then sees these people who

1470
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: are still staying alive and is inspired by them. But

1471
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 3: he's kind of a guy who's in a as as

1472
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 3: Samuel Jackson says in pulp fiction, he's in a transition.

1473
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: You've caught him in a transitional period.

1474
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: Well, I do love that. I mean, it really did

1475
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: make me laugh that they turned the Dump into a

1476
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: nightclub called the Dump, and I would love to go

1477
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 2: have a beer.

1478
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 3: People still do that, they'll there was a there was

1479
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: an old pharmacy in New York that became a barcle

1480
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:49,919
Speaker 3: pharmacy there we go, like they still had the pharmacy

1481
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 3: counter there except drinks.

1482
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's like, to me, I think screwball

1483
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: comedies are so like they're just such a rich text

1484
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: and it feels like they really influenced you and you know,

1485
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: as a young person, but also as an actor, and

1486
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: they're kind of timeless in that way where I.

1487
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 3: Mean it's yeah, you know, it's not just that genre.

1488
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 3: It's like all there's lots of great acting from that period.

1489
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: And the thing is another thing that this is a

1490
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: whole other episode to talk about. But the other thing

1491
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 3: that really interests me. I'll just touch on this quickly is,

1492
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: like I said before, in every era, there are different

1493
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 3: streams of acting. So there is the kind of acting

1494
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 3: in King Kong, which is a little presentational. There is

1495
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: the Greatest Wonder of the World, you know, and they're

1496
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: kind of talking like that for some reason. And then

1497
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 3: you have Godfrey, where you have some very natural performances

1498
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 3: and some very heightened performances, but they're all kind of

1499
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: on the same page. And that's always really interesting to me,

1500
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: is the different styles of acting. And I think sometimes

1501
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 3: and there's also a thing I wrap this up soon,

1502
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 3: but it's related to this because I'm fascinated about this era.

1503
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 3: If you look at a movie like The Grapes of

1504
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 3: Wrath by John Ford, it's a great movie and it's

1505
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 3: a drama, but the dramatic acting in that is very good,

1506
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 3: and at the same time it's dated because the bulk

1507
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 3: of the cast, with the notable exception of Henry Fonda,

1508
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 3: who could have been shot yesterday, the bulk of the

1509
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: cast is doing a kind of theatrical presentational dramatic acting

1510
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 3: where they're kind of spelling it out for you a

1511
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 3: little bit about as opposed to the more modern post

1512
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: war convention of more behavioral based acting that seems more naturalistic,

1513
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 3: the method, etc. You know, the Brando school. They're a

1514
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 3: little more at the lines. You're clean and they're and

1515
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 3: it's got a sharpness. And the thing is it that

1516
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 3: particular kind of dramatic acting. It's not even out of fashion.

1517
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist anymore. That kind of acting exists in comedy.

1518
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,839
Speaker 3: Like in comedy there'll be a lot of like Will Ferrell,

1519
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: he's always kind of commenting on the character. So if

1520
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 3: the anchor man is vain, he's kind of showing you

1521
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 3: that he is, and even the way he moves his

1522
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 3: body very specifically, and sometimes the lines come out and

1523
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 3: kind of inverted commas. But that style used to exist

1524
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 3: in drama again while the conventions are still being figured out,

1525
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 3: And I think some people can watch an old movie

1526
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 3: like that and as soon as they see this sort

1527
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: of dated acting, which again is not bad acting, it's

1528
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 3: actually of a very high quality. But it's almost like music.

1529
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 3: It's like an old form of jazz, like from the

1530
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 3: twenties before bebop or whatever. Well, they're both great, they're

1531
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 3: just different styles. But I think sometimes people and this

1532
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 3: is not a problem, by the way, I'm not trying

1533
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 3: to convert anybody, but I think sometimes people will see

1534
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: an older style and immediately a wall comes up. They

1535
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 3: just can't quite they just can't quite get there. But

1536
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 3: if you look at it, it's really not that complicated,

1537
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: and the emotions are timeless, and often the stories are

1538
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 3: very timeless. It's just the style of performing changes. And

1539
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: I got to say, we can look at some of

1540
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 3: these old styles and go, why are they talking so funny?

1541
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: But my hand to God, I would say in fifty years,

1542
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 3: people will watch Game of Thrones and they'll be like,

1543
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: why are they all talking like this?

1544
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: Like what is that?

1545
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: While all the guys talking in this raspy quiet voice,

1546
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 3: Like no one talks like that. So that's a convention.

1547
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Because it's our time. We're not seeing the farest of

1548
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 3: the trees, but there are conventions of our time that

1549
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,879
Speaker 3: in decades will seem strange. Yeah, but I think Godfrey

1550
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 3: is a great sort of movie for people who maybe

1551
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 3: aren't as versed in that period, because again, I think

1552
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: the acting really holds up. It seems very contemporary, absolutely

1553
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: and wary, which is great.

1554
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Well, James, thank you so much for my man Godfrey.

1555
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 2: This is great. Is there anything you'd like to plug?

1556
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I'm on an Apple show called Palm Royal.

1557
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 3: That's actually a really funny comedy. It's set in Palm

1558
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 3: Beach in the sixties. It stars Kristen Wig and lots

1559
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 3: of great people. Alis and Jenny and I have a

1560
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 3: little part in that. And the second season I think

1561
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: premiere is in November, so I recommend it. It's a

1562
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 3: really fun show. It's also a sort of a period

1563
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 3: piece set in the sixties. Lots of beehive hairdes and

1564
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And yeah, and then there's like a

1565
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 3: handful of independent films I've done in the last couple

1566
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: of years that are in various states of post production.

1567
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Mickey Reese who is sort of

1568
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 3: a genre of filmmaker, makes these interesting horror movies. And

1569
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 3: he's got a movie called Every Heavy Thing, which is

1570
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 3: actually premiering in LA next month that beyond fest amazing

1571
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 3: sort of a it's sort of it's almost like Mickey's

1572
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 3: version of a Brian the Palmer thriller from the eighties,

1573
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 3: like Dressed to Kill or you know, one of those

1574
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 3: sort of the area that he's exploring there, and I

1575
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 3: play a psychopath bad in that, which is always.

1576
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Fun, cool, fabulous.

1577
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so stuff is out there.

1578
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Everybody go check that out. And James, thank you again,

1579
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1580
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you anytime.

1581
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 2: All Right, that was a great chat with James or Baniac.

1582
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: Such a fan, such a fan, huge fan, even more

1583
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 2: so now because it was so nice. And I love

1584
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: talking to movies, talking movies with people who love movies. Uh.

1585
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 2: Now it is time for employee picks film recommendations based

1586
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: on the theme of today, Millie, what do you got?

1587
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I'm not even gonna recommend a

1588
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: horror movie, and I know that that is stupid because

1589
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: it's Halloween. I can't get this off my mind because

1590
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: when I watched this movie, it immediately took me to

1591
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: the movie I'm about to recommend, which is a movie

1592
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,839
Speaker 1: from two thousand and one. It was directed by Sandra

1593
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Goldbacher and it's called Me Without You. There is an

1594
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: episode of I Saw What You Did About. This movie

1595
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: is a very early episode, so feel free to check

1596
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: it out. I think it's called foot cigarettes. I think

1597
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: that's where the term foot cigarettes came from because there's

1598
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:44,520
Speaker 1: a scene in Me Without You where the two main characters,

1599
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: the best friends, who are played by Anna Friel and

1600
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams. They're like hanging out in Anna Friel's bedroom

1601
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: and they're laying in bed together and Anna Friel is

1602
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette through her toes and then passes it

1603
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: to Michelle Williams and she takes a drag of the

1604
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: cigarette through her foot to Anerfriol's foot and I was like,

1605
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I was like, I don't care if my

1606
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: best friend was Megan Fox, I am not smoking a

1607
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: cigarette from her foot. That is disgusting to me. Never

1608
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be that close to someone.

1609
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's an intimacy. I don't think you know that's

1610
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: that's a that's a whole other level.

1611
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even do that with my true love. Let's

1612
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: just like if my husband or anyone, I would not

1613
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I would never smoke a cigarette from anyone's foot. But

1614
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the reason why this movie came up for me is

1615
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: because much like Jennifer's Body, right, there's this power dynamic

1616
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: that is happening in me without you about the two women,

1617
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: and it's basically or the two girls that become women,

1618
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: because the movie takes place in England in the nineteen

1619
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: eighties and they're like kind of these punk rock chicks

1620
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: up coming of age together and it's clear that one

1621
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: of them is a nerd and the other one is

1622
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the popular girl, or at least the more dynamic, free wheeling,

1623
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: sexually liberated one, right, And the movie is essentially about

1624
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: whether or not you can sustain friendships like this throughout

1625
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 1: the years, like whether or not at some point you

1626
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 1: can continue to be kind of like a sidekick or

1627
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: second fiddle to someone who puts you in that place honestly,

1628
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: like they, you know, in the same way that Jennifer

1629
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: does this too needy, you know, like they're kind of

1630
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 1: codependent on each other, and it's fucked up because obviously

1631
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 1: one person sort of slightly terrorizes the other, the nerdier

1632
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: one the quieter one. So anyway, it immediately was like

1633
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: when I saw Jennifer's Body, I was like, fuck, I

1634
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: gotta see me without you again. It's actually, to me

1635
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: one of the best movies I've ever saying about female friendship. Wow.

1636
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: And it's a small kind of indie movie, like no one,

1637
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: no one really mentions it, which bothers me because I

1638
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: really love it. I really love it.

1639
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: I'd never heard of it.

1640
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've seen it probably like ten times. Wow.

1641
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: The music. The music is fantastic. I mean it's like

1642
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: all amazing eighties British bands, like I mean punk rock stuff,

1643
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: but also like cool like Mute Records type of music.

1644
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's fantastic.

1645
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, cool. Yeah, I need to watch it. I'm gonna

1646
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 2: recommend a movie that influenced Jennifer's Body, and they spoke

1647
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: about this. It's a two thousand Canadian film called Ginger Snaps,

1648
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 2: and it's about two sisters and one of them is

1649
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 2: attacked by a werewolf and goes through some changes and

1650
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 2: they're you know, they were very close before the attack,

1651
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 2: and after these changes, they start to grow apart, and

1652
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 2: one of them can't quite figure out why the other

1653
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 2: person is changed. I mean, beyond the werewolf thing, there's

1654
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: some emotional distance as well. And it is also a

1655
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 2: very bloody movie. Wow, it's like gnarly and it's a

1656
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,799
Speaker 2: high school movie, so it's kind of similar and vibe

1657
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 2: to Jennifer's Body in that way. But it's a great,

1658
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 2: great horror movie and check it out.

1659
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have never seen Ginger Snaps any of the sequels,

1660
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: because I know there's a couple of sequels.

1661
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 2: Haven't seen any of the secrets may have prequels.

1662
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: I love, I love and hate the idea that it's

1663
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: called Ginger Snaps. I'm like, yeah, I like the movie

1664
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 1: seems a lot deeper than that name. I guess it's really.

1665
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 2: There's a character named Ginger and she snaps.

1666
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. But there was like this whole of movies that

1667
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 1: felt like they were kind of these like dark films

1668
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: that were named like Poison Ivy. Yeah, yeah, you should

1669
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 1: make a movie called Fig Newton's Fig Newton.

1670
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 2: It's about a troubled teen named Fig.

1671
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: Who goes on a killing spray in the town of Newton, Pennsylvania.

1672
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's good.

1673
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: There we go. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it.

1674
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 2: You should it good good. It's like an indie horror too,

1675
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: and those always have like a certain feel to them,

1676
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 2: and it's it's good.

1677
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: It's good.

1678
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 2: Alrighty, that's our show, Millie. We did a good job,

1679
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 2: I think. Uh, if you'd like to write in if

1680
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 2: you want film advice, if if you if you have

1681
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 2: a gret, film regret, a consensual grope or a gripe

1682
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:58,000
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1683
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:02,640
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1684
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: on your phone under a minute please. Someone sent in

1685
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: a voicemail and they apologize for it being a minute

1686
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:14,799
Speaker 2: and six seconds and I thought that was cute. That's okay.

1687
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: I just you know, sometimes you'll get these five minute

1688
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 2: voicemail they're just too long. So but yeah, try to

1689
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 2: keep it on a minute if you can. And you

1690
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 2: can just email those two Deer movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com.

1691
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: Also follow us on socials we're at Deer Movies. I

1692
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: love you on Instagram. Our letterbox handles are also at

1693
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: Casey le O'Brien and at m d'achericho, and you know,

1694
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: hit us up on there, and please if you will

1695
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: listen to Deer Movies, I love you on the iHeartRadio app,

1696
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts would be

1697
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: nice for positive ratings and reviews. We always love that.

1698
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 2: So Millie, I couldn't. I can't tell if you're excited

1699
01:37:55,120 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 2: about next week talking about what the hell? I was like,

1700
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: I was like, would you mind if we did a

1701
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 2: hell Raiser episode? And you said, I don't mind?

1702
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: What was I supposed to be?

1703
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Like, Holy fucking shit, bro, I love Pinhead pin Heads hot.

1704
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: Bro speaking of industrial guys, My.

1705
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 2: God, oh boy, Hell Raiser nineteen eighty seven. I'm excited.

1706
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 2: I love this movie. I love Clay Burker.

1707
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually I'm about to go see there's like I

1708
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 1: don't know if this is like a reworking or like

1709
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: a restoration, but Candy Man's coming back to theaters. I

1710
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: don't know why hold on the.

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Speaker 2: Be my victim. I love candy Man, huge fan of

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Speaker 2: candy Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's playing again, and I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: There's always it's always a good time for Candy Man.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you worked on the Candy

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Speaker 1: Man restoration. You can email us at Dear Movies, Exactly

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Speaker 1: Right Media. Yeah, but I'm gonna go see it so

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Speaker 1: I'll be all up in those Clive Barker's goods.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Oh, thank you Millie for a great episode talking

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Speaker 2: about Jennifer's body.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for talking about Jennifer's body.

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Speaker 2: See you later, Okay, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an Exactly Right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork.

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Speaker 1: Is by Vanessa Lilac. Our incredible theme music is by

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Speaker 1: the best band in the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hartstark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye Beker. When you don't mean te