Speaker 1: Alright, We're good.
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Speaker 3: Busting with the boss, hanging with the fans, betting on
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Speaker 4: Would not be. We're here.
Speaker 3: Just drinking beer and making that baby. I'm hanging with
Speaker 3: the feelers, Busting with the boys, bro.
Speaker 2: Our boys.
Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of Bust with the Boys, Episode
Speaker 4: three eleven. Quick note with got a little NFL and
Speaker 4: we just sprinkle a little bit of CFB before the
Speaker 4: Matthews interview. Great interview. These guys are incredible. You hear
Speaker 4: the family dynamic. It is true belly laughs coming your way.
Speaker 4: But all of college foot ball talk will take place
Speaker 4: in the locker room this week. Big hugs, tiny kisses,
Speaker 4: Please enjoy everything locker room drop serve.
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Speaker 2: second bus Waldcar Weekends in the books, Walcar Weekend, College
Speaker 2: Football Playoffs, Surviving Barstool and also side note, I hope
Speaker 2: everybody out in LA that listen to our show. I
Speaker 2: know we got some California fans. I hope everybody's doing
Speaker 2: well safe. Like those fires just seem I mean, it's brutal.
Speaker 2: What's going on out there.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. What's going on. It's crazy. Also seeing videos
Speaker 4: of people adding to the fire in certain parts on Twitter,
Speaker 4: which is just nuts, man.
Speaker 2: People adding to the fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's videos of people actually going around. I think
Speaker 4: there's one specific one of people opening their trunk in
Speaker 4: the middle of the highway, pulling out cans of gasoline
Speaker 4: and throwing it into the bush. So David Spade came out,
Speaker 4: had a selfie video saying, the police found a guy,
Speaker 4: let him go, who's starting fires? And he's like, if
Speaker 4: you find anybody in the police, arrest them. I'll give
Speaker 4: you five thousand dollars. So David Spate said, So, it's
Speaker 4: like a something going on out there.
Speaker 2: My god, something going on in.
Speaker 4: The City of Angels right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope everybody's keeping their head.
Speaker 4: Hope everyone's safe. Hope everyone's if we had a this weekend,
Speaker 4: I was in Vegas and my neighbor was running from
Speaker 4: the fires. I don't know if you guys heard of him.
Speaker 4: Adam Sandler heard of him. He was out there, yea,
Speaker 4: you meet him? Yeah? I ended up meeting him.
Speaker 2: How to go, just on.
Speaker 4: The elevator walking in.
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning.
Speaker 4: How are you got out of there?
Speaker 2: He was, dude, that was it.
Speaker 4: He was running from fires. He was with his wife
Speaker 4: and his two kids. They were waiting. They didn't seem
Speaker 4: like they want to be bothered.
Speaker 2: But you didn't ask if you wanted to be on
Speaker 2: busting with the boys.
Speaker 4: Not yet, ye And I thought about I thought about
Speaker 4: him with the oh you did something with Travis. I
Speaker 4: know Travis, we have a show called I thought about
Speaker 4: doing the whole thing. I had a whole speech in
Speaker 4: my head. Obviously, I was texting you about it. I
Speaker 4: haven't thought about writing that note. But then things got
Speaker 4: out of him. But uh yeah. I saw him at
Speaker 4: the elevator multiple times, walk behind him. Actually, the first
Speaker 4: time I saw him, I was walking behind him in
Speaker 4: the hallway, him and his daughter, and I was kind
Speaker 4: of like five paces behind him, but they didn't know
Speaker 4: I was there. So I let like a out so
Speaker 4: they knew. Scared the shit out of his daughter, and
Speaker 4: it was just like right in there. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I got to get out of here, narrow hallway. Had
Speaker 4: to booge you way too big. You're way too big,
Speaker 4: way too big. Yeah, command just like walk like hunched
Speaker 4: over walking towards her. It was too much. It was
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Taylor was telling me how he was in like the
Speaker 2: room next to him. I was like, you should slip
Speaker 2: a note like under his door.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I'm gonna do it for sure,
Speaker 4: Gonna do that for sure. And then I was in
Speaker 4: the fight of my life for forty eight hours straight.
Speaker 4: I kind of I kind of forgot about it a
Speaker 4: little bit. But guy is dressed exactly like you see
Speaker 4: him all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah he is.
Speaker 4: You see, I saw him three times. His outfit never changed,
Speaker 4: Like he is a homie, you can just tell. And
Speaker 4: the boys at Red Rock were telling me, They're like,
Speaker 4: uh yeah. The only thing I was like, is he
Speaker 4: like a high maintenance cauves. Again, He's like, no, he's
Speaker 4: a high minutes at all. The only thing he wanted
Speaker 4: was a lifetime fitness passed for a day to he'll
Speaker 4: play pick up basketball.
Speaker 2: So they thought it just all time, you know, sanely
Speaker 2: to the way he dresses like he's peak, his laundry
Speaker 2: pop by his bed and he just gets up the
Speaker 2: morning question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the guy that like puts his clothes down
Speaker 4: and then like puts his feet right in. As he's
Speaker 4: getting off the bed, he just pulls the same shorts up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, dude, highlight, highlight. It was awesome. It was
Speaker 4: a good little deal. But yeah, shouts to people fighting
Speaker 4: the fires. That's tough, man.
Speaker 2: Where should we start first? Should we go NFL recap?
Speaker 2: Should we go college football? Should we go.
Speaker 4: So let's go NFL. It's the most recent thing in
Speaker 4: my brain right now.
Speaker 2: The Pats like that, are we talking playing let's go there?
Speaker 4: Because that is exact I mean, that's exactly what should
Speaker 4: have happened. Yeah, exactly what should have happened. And you know,
Speaker 4: every Titans fan, obviously being in Nashville, every Titans fan,
Speaker 4: Amy Adams, Trunk, everybody who is associated with the Titans
Speaker 4: right now punching the air. They're fucking pissed off at
Speaker 4: themselves because they messed up bad love Callahan. His story
Speaker 4: is still unwritten. We don't know the whole entire thing.
Speaker 4: How that that final you know, period happens. However, a
Speaker 4: guy like Rabel, it's exactly what the Pats need. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's exactly what the path.
Speaker 2: To exactly for Rabel, Like, that's just the perfect storm.
Speaker 2: You're going back to a spot to where you had
Speaker 2: a fourteen year career. Obviously you played for a good
Speaker 2: amount in New England. You got what three Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: Patriots Hall of Fame, Yeah, Patriots Hall of Fame. You've
Speaker 2: caught touchdown passes, like, you know the culture, you know
Speaker 2: the leadership there. You're going into an environment You're going
Speaker 2: into a situation that's honestly perfect for him. You've got
Speaker 2: a good young quarterback in Drake May. You got a
Speaker 2: lot of uh, you got a lot of cap space.
Speaker 2: You know. The first move too, you got to get
Speaker 2: John Striker away from the Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: I already texted Stretch. I say, congrats and your moved
Speaker 4: to New England. Yeah, he knows what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know you're getting ready for the Viking.
Speaker 4: But you're right and but yeah, as always, this is
Speaker 4: Monday as you're watching the show where it's Tuesday. Was
Speaker 4: Thursday Friday. The Vikings and the Rams have not played yet.
Speaker 4: We should actually go over that game because I think
Speaker 4: you took the Vikings in locker room, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know. By the time this comes
Speaker 2: out of the game, I know.
Speaker 4: I'd like to publicly change my opinion, though. I think
Speaker 4: the Rams are gonna win that game. I think the
Speaker 4: Rams I'm taking. I'm taking a veteran coach that's had
Speaker 4: many times in the playoffs. I'm taking him and a
Speaker 4: playoff stafford. Yeah, and the playoff stafford.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 2: Well, he shows up. I know that his last three
Speaker 2: times getting on the grass. He's averaged like one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty yards and throwing for only one or two
Speaker 2: touchdowns total to last three games.
Speaker 4: Put the script this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know if the Rams win, he's
Speaker 2: going back. You get to see Detroit's Stafford golf. You
Speaker 2: can see that whole thing. That would beat to see that.
Speaker 4: God. People saying fuck you. I I can't believe the
Speaker 4: line sans did that just tell them go fuck himself
Speaker 4: chanting fuck Stafford. Yeah, that is just crazy to me.
Speaker 4: But I love it. I absolutely love it. But yeh,
Speaker 4: did Raves be on the Pats? Unbelievable. With good news
Speaker 4: always comes a little bit of bad news. It seems
Speaker 4: like Steelers Twitter is over the Mike Tomlin experience, which
Speaker 4: is coming just strictly from my perspective. If you're a
Speaker 4: team like the Steelers who has had multiple Super Bowls,
Speaker 4: you're a storied, historied franchise, and you have a coach
Speaker 4: that gets you in the playoffs, you have to hear
Speaker 4: whether you go far, whether you don't go you kind
Speaker 4: of just like go that first game and come out.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like Tyreek Hill saying, this is my
Speaker 4: first time I haven't made the playoffs, I'm out of here.
Speaker 4: Like you you just sometimes as a fan you get
Speaker 4: so conditioned and callous to the success you've had that's
Speaker 4: no longer good enough. Let me tell you, as a
Speaker 4: person who played for a franchise that was not always
Speaker 4: a guarantee to make the playoffs all the time. Stay
Speaker 4: as long as you can understand that this man is
Speaker 4: the man for the job. Also us in the playoffs
Speaker 4: every single year. If you are picking in that eighteen
Speaker 4: to twenty four range every single year, like it's gonna
Speaker 4: be tough to get your quarterback, it's gonna get tough
Speaker 4: to get those premier blue chip players because a lot
Speaker 4: of people think like just because you're picked in the
Speaker 4: first round means like that doesn't mean it means you're
Speaker 4: like a premium guy. When reality, it's like, how good
Speaker 4: is the draft? Who's going before? What are your needs?
Speaker 4: Your necessities? When you're picking up in those late teens,
Speaker 4: early twenties, it's fucking hard to keep keep establishing you
Speaker 4: know a lot of talent on your team while everybody
Speaker 4: doesn't catch up. So I'm personally a fan of tomans
Speaker 4: Dain if he is fired, so many needs to throw
Speaker 4: the bag at him immediately.
Speaker 2: But it should be a thing too, Like if you
Speaker 2: look at the last what is eight years, he's been
Speaker 2: one and done in the playoffs, doesn't just pick just
Speaker 2: I guess picking coach like verybel Let's just say he's
Speaker 2: on the Titans. Say use the first eight years little
Speaker 2: bit we were one and done every year. Fans would
Speaker 2: be pretty upset about it. Well, Like and again, Tomlin
Speaker 2: is a big culture guy, one of the best culture
Speaker 2: guys in the business. He's had his his histories with
Speaker 2: like the A B's.
Speaker 5: Of the world.
Speaker 2: You've had, You've had to You've had to balance a
Speaker 2: lot of different personalities in that locker room. And too,
Speaker 2: it's such like over time, even though he's a really
Speaker 2: good culture guy, it's the same kind of culture stuff
Speaker 2: over and over. Like that could kind of slow down
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 4: You want to do it, you want it fresh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have like the lowest paid offense in
Speaker 2: the league. They got all their money tied up defensively.
Speaker 2: If you're looking at from a zoomed out views, is like,
Speaker 2: do you kind of blow up a little bit on
Speaker 2: defense and try and get some cap space and restructure
Speaker 2: a little bit, move some pieces around. Because as good
Speaker 2: as Cam Hayward is, he's been there forever. He's getting
Speaker 2: longer in the two thirteen years now. TJ Widde is
Speaker 2: obviously a stud of defensive any type of guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not going anywhere. But you got to almost look
Speaker 2: at all of these different options to kind of blow
Speaker 2: it up a little bit. If you're gonna stick with Tomlin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and going off of you know, the example you
Speaker 4: just gave of you if Mike Rabel is at the
Speaker 4: Titans for eight years.
Speaker 2: Imagine any coach who gets their job in their first
Speaker 2: eight years. First year they go to the playoffs. Everybody's
Speaker 2: riding high. But every year they get to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: In this but that's not the example we're talking about.
Speaker 2: They got the ten wins and then lost the final
Speaker 2: four or five games.
Speaker 4: I understand, However, you're talking about a sample size of
Speaker 4: eight years from Tomlin. He's been there forever. He won
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl in two thousand and eight with the Steelers,
Speaker 4: like he's had more of it. I'm just saying, if
Speaker 4: you look at he said, hey, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 4: a head coach, you' gonna make the playoffs every single year,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna be out of the playoffs after the
Speaker 4: first round every single year for eight years. You probably say, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to sign up for that. But if
Speaker 4: you had a little more context to you know, Le'Veon
Speaker 4: bell Ab kind of you're saying the Pouncy Brothers, all
Speaker 4: these and the poundcer Bulls. You say pouncy because they're
Speaker 4: such a prolific group of individuals, when really only one
Speaker 4: pouncy brother played there. Marky's pouncy is one of the
Speaker 4: greatest leaders from my understanding that anyone's ever seen, Like
Speaker 4: he is one of those guys that are just all
Speaker 4: fucking time, like a true locker room guy, keeps everybody
Speaker 4: in check, but like still very unique, loud, boisterous like
Speaker 4: individual we're free hernandez hats when all that stuff was
Speaker 4: going on, like they are in the public, and we'll
Speaker 4: do some controversial things if you're able to navigate that.
Speaker 4: Many personalities have sustainable success and being somewhere for so long.
Speaker 4: For me, it's very difficult to say, okay, go ahead
Speaker 4: and walk away from that because the grass is not
Speaker 4: always greener on the other side. You don't know how
Speaker 4: good you're gonna have it. I feel like the Titans
Speaker 4: are feeling that a little bit right now. Like I said,
Speaker 4: that story is still unwritten. But you just once you
Speaker 4: start getting away from stuff. And then also you look
Speaker 4: at the Patriots. We're very excited for Rabel, but if
Speaker 4: Rabel doesn't have success, you're not looking at like, hey,
Speaker 4: maybe we should have stayed with Belichick. Let him stay
Speaker 4: for as long as you want it. So it's it's
Speaker 4: it's scarier to get away from Tomlin. It's safer to
Speaker 4: stay because from the outside our perspective looking in on
Speaker 4: the Steelers. That's just my take on it.
Speaker 6: I think that George Pickens, as I was thinking about
Speaker 6: it more as crazy as his press conference sounded, that
Speaker 6: answer is almost I feel like Steeler's nation of like,
Speaker 6: how do you feel like the year went? We progressed,
Speaker 6: it was good, I got better. Are you optimistic?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: I had a decent year, And I feel like that's
Speaker 6: how the fans kind of feel. Yeah, does George Pickens
Speaker 6: know what optimistic means? That was the question on the internet.
Speaker 4: Is funny. He has got to be probably the number
Speaker 4: one character in the league right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's my favorite player.
Speaker 4: He's a fair player. He really is. But he just
Speaker 4: you'll just see a play going on and they will
Speaker 4: be in the corner of the screen of throwing somebody
Speaker 4: to the ground.
Speaker 2: Watching a game.
Speaker 4: Street rat type ship.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get on the ball pretty sooner.
Speaker 2: He's just gonna start giving up on routes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: And if you keep everybody together, you almost gotta you
Speaker 2: gotta go try and find another quarterback.
Speaker 4: Run, you gotta find a quarterback. You got Fields, Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: you gotta go get a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But if you're wanting to be this team that gets
Speaker 2: over the hump of winning one playoff game over winning
Speaker 2: a playoff game, quarterbacks, Yeah, but Fields could do it.
Speaker 4: That's what That's what Will is essentially saying, is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you had a ten one season. That's great you look
Speaker 4: at it on paper, but then you put since twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: you have them limping into the playoffs. So Wilson starts
Speaker 4: off strong and then all of a sudden putters out.
Speaker 4: You know, it hurts.
Speaker 2: When Russ came in, he was making that decision correct
Speaker 2: for several games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a public apology in the locker room
Speaker 4: from me because I thought Russell was terrible, and I
Speaker 4: thought he was done and he was playing a lot better.
Speaker 4: Turns out I was right. It turns out I was
Speaker 4: right all along. You Arthur Smith.
Speaker 7: Low key though Key should go to the past. He's not.
Speaker 6: He's not on a very good run. The offense was
Speaker 6: not good with the Falcons. That wasn't good at the Steelers.
Speaker 4: Had success with Rabel Tannehill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder who Rabe's gonna bring in his OC.
Speaker 2: Maybe Josh McDaniels, that's what I saw. You see that report.
Speaker 2: I think that's a no no. You stay away from
Speaker 2: that for sure, Arthur Smith, because you know Rabe usually
Speaker 2: brings in like guys, he's super close.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I don't like that coaches do
Speaker 4: hiring their friends. I do not like that. I think
Speaker 4: it is a It is a miss and it gets people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it gets people fired. It gets guys fired. Whether the
Speaker 4: GM you hire the head coach as your friend or
Speaker 4: you're a head coach hiring your staff. It's like, just
Speaker 4: pick the best guy for the job. Pick the best
Speaker 4: guy for the job who has the same core values
Speaker 4: as you do. When you're establishing a culture of a
Speaker 4: football team, move on after that.
Speaker 1: Be okay.
Speaker 4: It's okay to say to your buddy. Listen, Garrett, I
Speaker 4: love you to death. You're not gonna be my OC.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I know you think you're you should.
Speaker 2: Be able to Todd Downy, Todd.
Speaker 4: Downing, and and the thing is is, yeah, you bring
Speaker 4: up Todd. It sucks sitting here being like publicly like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that wasn't the move. It wasn't a move. I love Todd.
Speaker 4: I thought he was a great guy in the locker room,
Speaker 4: great guy to hang out with, like him as an individual.
Speaker 4: Was not the move at the OC. It just is
Speaker 4: what it is. Does Braves have any overlap with Bobby
Speaker 4: Slowick in Houston where he could snag him over, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because slow it came from the Niners with with Raheem.
Speaker 4: Or the Patriots Tree Patriots Tree is.
Speaker 2: Morrison.
Speaker 4: I mean, all right, you brought up Picking having his
Speaker 4: postgame presser about not being optimistic. You see a J.
Speaker 4: Brown reading no post game he had one catch, he
Speaker 4: had one catch. After the game, he was livid they
Speaker 4: win a playoff game. He was livid. I'm not talking.
Speaker 2: I saw him reading, but then I saw him talking
Speaker 2: about reading, and like.
Speaker 4: Right, you haven't tweeted about it. He's he basically the
Speaker 4: beat reporters. The reporters came up after the game and
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm not talking today. I got nothing to say,
Speaker 4: and then like got his staying smile on his face.
Speaker 4: But you know, Aj, it was like an AJ like
Speaker 4: I'm smiling at you, but really have a few me inside.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get away from this so I
Speaker 4: don't blow up type of situation.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw when I saw the book. When I
Speaker 2: saw the book stuff, I was laughing out loud.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the book thing is funny. But he has had
Speaker 4: the book open in the middle though, which is nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to get his head right, like he
Speaker 2: did only have one catch. Maybe he's like, let me
Speaker 2: just and they were let me read my favorite Yeah,
Speaker 2: let me read my favorite paragraph so I can calm
Speaker 2: the fuck down.
Speaker 4: There were multiple like omaha routes, quick out routes on
Speaker 4: several plays where it went to DeVante Smith and he
Speaker 4: was it was like, you know, a contested catch that
Speaker 4: Smith would come down with, but Aj'd be over there
Speaker 4: and he'd have like five six yards of cushion where
Speaker 4: there'd be some yak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a couple where he's got these hitch routes.
Speaker 2: He's getting some separation at the top of the route.
Speaker 2: You see a couple times where they're going to Davante
Speaker 2: when aj just on his you know, special move slant
Speaker 2: route where he'll just take it to the house and
Speaker 2: if you throw it to him and.
Speaker 4: Stick it on the Eagles to the selflessness of Saquon
Speaker 4: Barkley at the end of the game, games already essentially
Speaker 4: in hand, there's a minute six left, like you score,
Speaker 4: it really doesn't matter. And he had so much open
Speaker 4: field to run, so much open field to get like legit,
Speaker 4: forty more yards and still could have slipped, Yeah, but
Speaker 4: decided to just slide it down and the game. Save
Speaker 4: the legs. Get a big one coming up next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do they? Obviously depends on tonight with the
Speaker 2: Vikings and the Rams, But as of right now, who
Speaker 2: are they looking to play? Like, say, the Vikings wins
Speaker 2: in there the food so it would be it would
Speaker 2: be the Vikings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, seven's Washington.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill's Ravens is gonna be a game.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be awesome MVP battle. Yeah, so the whole
Speaker 2: staff Detroit couldn't happen unless it was the championship game?
Speaker 2: Got you follow?
Speaker 4: Man? That game is going to be the game to watch?
Speaker 4: Which game Ravens Bills?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, man, that game is gonna be so cooking
Speaker 2: They're cooking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do we go?
Speaker 2: Do we talk about the I mean, the only fun
Speaker 2: game to watch this weekend was The Commander's Buck.
Speaker 4: I want to get your opinion that, being a former commander,
Speaker 4: former redskin.
Speaker 2: I'm fired up for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm fired up for him. You think the road,
Speaker 4: do you think that they can make a little run here?
Speaker 2: I mean, objectively I feel like or subjectively I feel
Speaker 2: like it's the end of the road, like you're going
Speaker 2: to Detroit.
Speaker 4: Detroit is a monster, man powerhouse.
Speaker 2: Detroit is a monster. But if you're the Commanders, like
Speaker 2: you're in the tournament, who fucking knows. Jane Daniels been
Speaker 2: playing his ass on so JP. This dude and a
Speaker 2: rookie Like, you're right, this dude operates at a such
Speaker 2: a high level. It's so fun to watch. And I
Speaker 2: know this city is just so fired up right now. Dude,
Speaker 2: you have a lot to look forward to in the future,
Speaker 2: whether or not this is at the end of the
Speaker 2: road this week, because I did, I thought the Bucks
Speaker 2: would probably beat them. But yeah, fired up for the Commanders.
Speaker 4: You and watching him run around like he's he is
Speaker 4: such an awareness of the defenders around him that he
Speaker 4: reminds you a lot of Lamar Jackson when he's scrambling. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he gets those three four yards and then just
Speaker 4: hits the ground real quick, pops back up like he's
Speaker 4: got a poised confidence about him. Because you see these
Speaker 4: running quarterbacks, the Redskins in recent history. You have these
Speaker 4: like really like insane, major highlight running quarterbacks, and then
Speaker 4: injuries start happening. It becomes a massive issue. With this kid.
Speaker 4: He's got that Lamar Jackson feel where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he can run, he can throw it too, and he
Speaker 4: seems like a guy that knows how to stay healthy.
Speaker 4: No said to keep the legs right, knows that to
Speaker 4: getting those weird entanglements where his bodies and you know,
Speaker 4: doing a whole bunch of oregony type Yeah, popped on
Speaker 4: the sideline.
Speaker 2: Yay, Yeah that was nuts.
Speaker 4: And if you're the offensive lineman, I tweeted this out
Speaker 4: like that hits not bad, Like that's just a good
Speaker 4: old fashioned highlight NFL hit, Like you're gonna put that
Speaker 4: in the promo next year going into Week one. But
Speaker 4: as an offensive lignement of the commanders, you've got to
Speaker 4: start belly bumping or chest but yeah, you start barking
Speaker 4: a little bit, get up your boy's face, start going
Speaker 4: little know, a little bit, huh.
Speaker 2: In that third and short where ninety four had him
Speaker 2: in the backfield and he just hits with it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: hits with that stif arm and gets the first down towl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole time chasing him downstairs like bro drop it, the.
Speaker 4: Bro drop it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, did anybody know what happened to Levante at
Speaker 2: the end of the game. I saw he got rolled
Speaker 2: up on I don't I don't think I saw any
Speaker 2: reports on it yet. You know what, I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm Public Commanders, That's who I played for.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, like Levante, I know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much longer he's gonna play, Like this could have
Speaker 2: been his life. That could have been his last game.
Speaker 2: Yesterday could have been his last game if he if
Speaker 2: he retireded you cry, do what ran?
Speaker 4: Which? Dude?
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there and I'm telling
Speaker 2: charl I'm like, sweetheart, Like this dude was drafting the
Speaker 2: league a year before me. He started and played like
Speaker 2: a pro bo esque level every year of his career.
Speaker 2: Like this dude's thirty five years old.
Speaker 1: I think they said he's like thirty four to thirty five.
Speaker 2: It's nuts, man, and he's had such an incredible career.
Speaker 2: And to be at one place the entire time when
Speaker 2: they were drafting a guy, they talk about the core values,
Speaker 2: they put it together. Who's the player that it embodies.
Speaker 2: It's Levante, David. He said, such a run many, which
Speaker 2: is funny. I actually just put.
Speaker 7: That together, but I was on Twitter.
Speaker 2: People forget Yeah, bro I broke my foot. I broke
Speaker 2: my foot on a Oh.
Speaker 1: That was you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I broke my fan.
Speaker 4: I love how you guys are coming to it. I'm
Speaker 4: still like two steps behind on that, like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: who got hurt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I broke my foot on a Thursday or
Speaker 2: Friday walked through before the season opener, and it was
Speaker 2: a walk through like we had our helmets. Are like
Speaker 2: a jog through, like an up tempo, YadA YadA. I
Speaker 2: break on this stick route in my foot, I feel
Speaker 2: like just blows up, like somebody takes a shotgun to it,
Speaker 2: and I go down. And Levante starts that weekend, has
Speaker 2: like thirteen tackles, murder somebody over the middle of the field,
Speaker 2: and I come back like six or seven eight. However,
Speaker 2: long later, it was like for Texas and job was
Speaker 2: nowhere to be job was nowhere to be talked about
Speaker 2: it at that point anymore, you kind of knew the
Speaker 2: writing on the wall. But yeah, Levante just comes on
Speaker 2: the scene because he came from Juco that year. He
Speaker 2: was a Juco kid out of one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what did he start off as a safety.
Speaker 2: Uh, he was like a tweiner, Like he's like a
Speaker 2: dime cat playing dime and he came in and the
Speaker 2: and the depth chart went like myself, Sean Fisher, Sean
Speaker 2: Fisher breaks his leg in training camp, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: Blake Lawrence, Sean Fisher breaks his leg in training camp.
Speaker 2: I break my foot. Levante is on the second field,
Speaker 2: operating with the threes throughout training camp and then has
Speaker 2: to get thrust it into being a starter and then
Speaker 2: the rest is history. He's going off that entire year.
Speaker 2: He's he's top five old time tackle leaders the in
Speaker 2: Nebraska history in two years, playing two years.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven tackles against Michigan.
Speaker 2: He might seem obvious.
Speaker 7: Without will Compton, there is no Levonte will Compton.
Speaker 2: There is no Levonte David once a.
Speaker 4: Uh, it all shout out to shut somehow.
Speaker 2: I thought you were like Charling.
Speaker 7: Said, I wasn't.
Speaker 6: I was literally scrolling on Twitter to find out the injury,
Speaker 6: and somebody tweeted out man for any like low rank
Speaker 6: recruit out there. Remember, nobody even knew Levonte David. It
Speaker 6: took an injury for him to get in at Nebraska.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a such an awesome story
Speaker 2: like his. He's such a good dude. He's such a
Speaker 2: good soul. He's kind of like an ed reed do wor.
Speaker 2: He's just all football. He's undersized, know how to slip
Speaker 2: every knows how to slip every block. He's played in
Speaker 2: the middle of the defense his entire career, not as
Speaker 2: like a safety or anything else, but as an undersized
Speaker 2: backer and has all the same, arguably better stats than
Speaker 2: like the Bobby Wagner's, the Luke Keekleys, because that was
Speaker 2: the same type of class, Like that was the same
Speaker 2: type of generation.
Speaker 4: Talk about Bobby Wagner the first two series of that
Speaker 4: game against Washington, I'm sorry against the Bucks. A menace, Yeah,
Speaker 4: a menace. You see that when he blits up the
Speaker 4: middle and hit that running back so hard he actually
Speaker 4: just missed Baker Mayfield. Yeah, like that's fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagon too. You watch him, like when you're watching
Speaker 2: him out on the field, like you're like, that's a
Speaker 2: fucking middle line, Like that's a grown ass man.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Talk about like arms, his hands are like down to
Speaker 2: his past. His arms are just looked oil and oiled
Speaker 2: and glossy.
Speaker 7: Baker put that head down on him though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did give him a little shoulders that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that dude, he he's got that look of a linebacker
Speaker 4: and the cat too with them traps.
Speaker 2: Yeah he got that.
Speaker 4: He's got that traps that Mike Tyson no neck vibe, dude,
Speaker 4: head sits a little low, yeah, in a little bit,
Speaker 4: sits there in the off season, just bangs into a wall.
Speaker 4: So he shrinks into the brades just to touch. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Two, it's like, uh, bucks had their chances when Baker
Speaker 2: fumbles that ball late in the game, Bobby Wager picks
Speaker 2: it up and they're right there in scoring position, and
Speaker 2: then when they have that seems like a complex you
Speaker 2: can you can, uh you can talk about this tailor.
Speaker 2: But there was a moment to where it was like
Speaker 2: third and inches and they're doing a hard count and
Speaker 2: then he's like let it roll, let it roller. He
Speaker 2: just says we're good, We're good, and then turbo. But
Speaker 2: it seemed like a dummy turbo because he goes but
Speaker 2: in the center, the young center snaps it on the
Speaker 2: loud one. But it seemed like it was a dummy
Speaker 2: turbo because nobody else went but everybody just killed him.
Speaker 2: They tackled Bucky Irving, which Bucky Irvy almost breaks every
Speaker 2: tackle in the backfield to get the first down. But
Speaker 2: that was like a third inches that they needed. They
Speaker 2: had to settle for a field goal instead of like
Speaker 2: going in for a touchdown. But it seemed like that
Speaker 2: was a very complicated hard count turbo dummy, turbo, stick
Speaker 2: with the you know, stick with the run whatever play.
Speaker 2: Like they had a double call going yeah.
Speaker 4: Game, it's like a late is late in the game,
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Yeah, I mean they're every every offense has
Speaker 4: a play call, whether it's freeze, frost frosty like something
Speaker 4: like that. Like there's always some sort of code word
Speaker 4: where it's like we're gonna lamp in a formation, then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, we're gonna do a full cadence.
Speaker 4: Then the tight end's gonna come off, he's gonna go
Speaker 4: into a motion. We're gonna get a couple more huts,
Speaker 4: then the guy's gonna back off, get into the f
Speaker 4: and like they're in an I formation and then you know,
Speaker 4: hut hut hut hut. Uh. If you're doing that many
Speaker 4: cadences and you have a young center, I don't know
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 2: I personally see it seems like like again, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like they had a double call. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: a hard count. Then I'm gonna let you know if
Speaker 2: the play still on or we're gonna check it or
Speaker 2: alert it or do something else. Then you gotta remember
Speaker 2: that you're on a dummy Turbo. But Turbo. You're listening
Speaker 2: to Turbo all year long, like as an offensive lineman. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just so used to such second nature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Turbo unless it's called in the huddle like a
Speaker 4: Turbo two, which would be in the second hud of
Speaker 4: after turbo. If you hear turbo is essentially the number one, right,
Speaker 4: like your ears perk up, knowing, okay, the snap is
Speaker 4: the next sound is going to be the snap. It's
Speaker 4: like it's it's making it for me personally if I like,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to a third and one situation. And
Speaker 4: this is also a lot of it's predicated on the
Speaker 4: defense and how they if they like to shift if
Speaker 4: it what would Abell call it when you guys would
Speaker 4: all start a little bit wider and then you shift
Speaker 4: down something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was something like that, But that.
Speaker 4: Was that was like a twenty twelve film from the
Speaker 4: Patriots field goal Field. I think it was against the
Speaker 4: Bucks too. I think it was against the Bucks, but
Speaker 4: just depending on what people do one third and one,
Speaker 4: and if it's a team that usually stays stationary and
Speaker 4: you know they're gonna bring like an Ammo blitz or
Speaker 4: two up the middle or something like that, I personally
Speaker 4: like a like a it's called a fast break. You
Speaker 4: get out of the huddle, you get set first noise
Speaker 4: you hear, you're going the first noise. The ball is
Speaker 4: getting snapped because you're catching the defense off guard.
Speaker 2: It's either you want.
Speaker 4: To go real late or real early. And those key
Speaker 4: like gotta have it like short yard of situations that way,
Speaker 4: it's like you're just trying to find whatever you can't
Speaker 4: get up her hand because it's grown man fucking football
Speaker 4: at that point. Yeah, And to be honest with you, boys,
Speaker 4: a lot of times I wasn't the growness of the
Speaker 4: men when I was going against the boy in front
Speaker 4: of me. So I want a little bit of I
Speaker 4: give me a little whatever little advantage I can take.
Speaker 4: Give me a snap count that can help the boy
Speaker 4: out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously that's a snap but they get an off
Speaker 2: size penalty, it's gonna be a first down. That was
Speaker 2: when they were down like twenty twenty to seventeen. They
Speaker 2: ultimately had to settle for a field goal and make
Speaker 2: it twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: And banking in the field goal anyways to win is crazy.
Speaker 2: Nuts bro a doink win. Because when it started going over,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 7: Thought he was gonna miss because he kept doing this
Speaker 7: with his hair.
Speaker 1: I say, he's missing like bad.
Speaker 8: And there's like his takes and so like he's like
Speaker 8: doing that because he's like gotta get set and get
Speaker 8: ready and.
Speaker 1: There's another.
Speaker 8: Year and also cleats, he's retying his cleats like over
Speaker 8: and over. So I guess he has these OCD tickes.
Speaker 8: And so imagine being a kicker with OCD and in
Speaker 8: the game winning field goal.
Speaker 4: And you're just like fuck fuck like one two three, yeah,
Speaker 4: especially because there are situations where like, what was it hurricane,
Speaker 4: Like there's a there's this hurricane field goal. It's like
Speaker 4: eighteen seconds on the clock, third down, no timeouts, you're
Speaker 4: in field goal range. You've got to go kicker right away.
Speaker 4: And there's this whole program of how to get guys
Speaker 4: off the field, how to get guys on the field,
Speaker 4: and I get the kickers as fast as possible. If
Speaker 4: you're an OCD guy, that you have to do four
Speaker 4: hand you two shoot, Like, yeah, you gotta go balld.
Speaker 2: Dude. If I'm a kicker, I almost want more of
Speaker 2: the hurricane, Like you're rushing to get on the Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't think about you you gotta think about it. Like,
Speaker 2: but when the offense is trying to methodically put it
Speaker 2: on the spot you're at and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: that thirty forty year field goal, I'm probably thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: these boys think this is just a gimme. I'm over
Speaker 2: here nervous this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, that shit when in Texas versus Asu, when
Speaker 4: Start walked up to his boy the kicker and like
Speaker 4: get him love. If I'm a kicker in that situation,
Speaker 4: it's like, leave me the fuck alone. Yeah, like pretend
Speaker 4: like I just don't even exist on this world for
Speaker 4: a little bit and all that remember, like not remember
Speaker 4: like freezing kickers like that would be the fucking worst. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Calling a time out at the end of the game
Speaker 4: and it goes right up the middle two and you're
Speaker 4: just like, oh my fucking god, dude, if I could
Speaker 4: just get that one again, kickers Man snipers more time
Speaker 4: to think about it. Shadow, Ryan suck up, Dude did
Speaker 4: a great for him. Shout out, Ryan suck Up. Just
Speaker 4: a dog out there.
Speaker 2: How about the fucking Texans?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean dog.
Speaker 2: Dog walking the Chargers. Chargers beat their ass for a
Speaker 2: quarter and a half, and we're sitting there and it's
Speaker 2: six to nothing. It's like this game should be some
Speaker 2: one of those feelings, like as a player, it should
Speaker 2: be fourteen or nothing right now. Like if you're the Charger,
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, fellas, like we got to get seven
Speaker 2: or because they're still in And then if you're the Texans,
Speaker 2: you're getting destroyed. The ball's not bouncing your way either,
Speaker 2: Like they had a I forget what it was, but
Speaker 2: it just didn't go their way. But you're sitting there,
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, fel's like it's only six to nothing.
Speaker 2: Like as bad as we've played, like we're still in
Speaker 2: this game, it's sure enough. Thirty two unanswered points later,
Speaker 2: the Texas defense was eating.
Speaker 4: Broke, eating Will Anderson, going off.
Speaker 2: Daniel Hunter, Autrey, Will, Will and.
Speaker 4: Audrey had a couple plays in a row Brother where
Speaker 4: it's like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: Alsha, here was tattooing folks. Then you got Stingley that's
Speaker 2: making plays. I don't know why they're tried. They were
Speaker 2: trying Stingley all game.
Speaker 4: Yeah that game that hey, Herbert, I know that game
Speaker 4: reminded me a lot of Packers Eagles where it's like
Speaker 4: Houston was taking advantage of the Chargers bad football, and
Speaker 4: Eagles were taking advantage of the Packers bad football. The Houston,
Speaker 4: Houston took more advantage than the Eagles did. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: Herbert had a bad day. He had a rough day.
Speaker 4: It seemed like the play calling was a little all
Speaker 4: over the place. It just seemed like they couldn't get
Speaker 4: settled and like grounded in the moment of you know
Speaker 4: where they need to be, which is weird because you
Speaker 4: think Harball culture guy, he's gonna have his guys ready
Speaker 4: to go. But then there's the old Herbert. He loves
Speaker 4: a choking the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Dirty bubble got hard. They know he's a SpongeBob fan. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and they had his quote, you're on the sideline. You
Speaker 6: can't call murmury man barnacle boy. He's he was captured
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 2: Got Were you watching that?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Were you watching that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: What am I saying? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Were you watching the broadcast in Nickelodeon. Yeah, they had
Speaker 2: SpongeBob up there like commentating with Pat pf Man Yeah,
Speaker 2: pf Manatee and Big Catfish. Then you had like Lebron
Speaker 2: and Kevin Hart. I forget what their their fish for Lebron, Yeah, Lebron,
Speaker 2: James Dog. It was.
Speaker 4: I feel bad for the Chargers, but the Texans man,
Speaker 4: I've been good for them.
Speaker 2: Do they make it? Do they make it interesting? In
Speaker 2: Kansas City? They're dangerous, they could, They're dangerous.
Speaker 4: Hard to be hard to beat a team twice. It
Speaker 4: is hard to beat a team twice. She's got to
Speaker 4: get to Pat when they got the tools to get there,
Speaker 4: they got to Chargers.
Speaker 2: So the playoff. Willie Parlay was dead in the first game,
Speaker 2: just the first gone, Hey, you're forty something thousand people riding.
Speaker 2: Your response to that too, of the captain from Titanic
Speaker 2: walking in going down the ship maybe the best response
Speaker 2: he could possibly have to it.
Speaker 1: What do we go?
Speaker 4: He's just so captain, Captain, sir, your life Jackets said,
Speaker 4: just keep swapping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lebron's didn't hit either. Daves was cooking there for
Speaker 2: a second. But Cortland Sutton, they've hit four out of
Speaker 2: five of his legs. Courtland Sutton didn't score for the Broncos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the I don't think the Texans can do against
Speaker 4: the Chiefs. I think I think we're gona see Chiefs
Speaker 4: in Nancy.
Speaker 2: Championship at least.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we can start talking about you. I gotta
Speaker 4: see Ravens bills and how those games operate. I think
Speaker 4: it could be one sided.
Speaker 2: That Dame could be bum bum liked. Obviously, being like
Speaker 2: a Chief stater, I'm bummed out that the Chiefs get
Speaker 2: just the winner of that game versus having to play
Speaker 2: both of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because you kind of one.
Speaker 2: I mean, man, if the Raven's could have just lost
Speaker 2: one more game and maybe they slip down a seat
Speaker 2: to where they're the ones going to Kansas City.
Speaker 4: I saw a funny clip of you ever see like
Speaker 4: the dog who hits the basketball on the stairs and
Speaker 4: it kind of bounces in the basket of who's gonna
Speaker 4: win the players? Yeah, using that whether there was one
Speaker 4: where a guy had a marble and it was in
Speaker 4: between like these two lines and he would roll it
Speaker 4: and these two dominoes were different colors, and it was
Speaker 4: based on the teams whicheveryone fell was gonna be the loser.
Speaker 4: And every time the Chiefs one died, he like throw
Speaker 4: a flag at it and put them back up. It
Speaker 4: is It's crazy, man, It's crazy. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: we should get into our podcast. Yeah, I did want
Speaker 4: to talk a little college football. See if the Matthews
Speaker 4: brothers want to do.
Speaker 2: We can uh, yeah, we can either do when they're on,
Speaker 2: we can do it after, but we Clay Matthews, call Matthews,
Speaker 2: the Matthews brothers. They're in the shop right now. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and hit that interview. If we
Speaker 2: do any more intro talk you guys who'll obviously recorded
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a fun time to go there, but
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Speaker 4: Do I het your fucking assistant, and it was She's like,
Speaker 4: all right, you need to start doing it again. It
Speaker 4: was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 5: What's the serious question, what's what is the downside to
Speaker 5: her addictions?
Speaker 4: There are no side effects zero, It's really just you
Speaker 4: feel great all the time.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: So, nicotine is proven. It's neuroprotective, it's a stimulant. It
Speaker 4: helps the multitasking. There's a lot of benefits of it.
Speaker 5: Do they pay you to say this.
Speaker 4: No, but uh, but there are like you could elevate
Speaker 4: your blood pressure, shrink your veins, like not shrinker veins,
Speaker 4: but like make it more difficult for blood. I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's there's a couple of bad things, but I would
Speaker 4: say the pros outweigh the cons. And also depends what's
Speaker 4: in there too.
Speaker 5: They said about cigarettes in the fifties.
Speaker 4: Right, exactly, they make a man exactly nice? Did you
Speaker 4: did you guys ever chew or anything like that? Dude,
Speaker 4: you kind of with the jacket on and the bun on,
Speaker 4: you seem like you could have a lip in.
Speaker 1: The big league. You. Yeah, in there, I was, I
Speaker 1: was mister straight edge. You never never want to taint
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about this, but yeah, my dad would have
Speaker 5: kicked our ass if we had done any of that.
Speaker 4: We could talk about it right now, Mitch, we rolling, baby,
Speaker 4: we've been rolling. Well, we can cut everything. Don't you worry.
Speaker 4: Don't you worry one bit. Obviously, Hey, you're in a
Speaker 4: safe space, not a mistake. We're all good. But you
Speaker 4: said your dad would have kicked your ass if you
Speaker 4: were taking doing anything extra. Was it like a booze
Speaker 4: or was it like, hey, we get past booze. Now
Speaker 4: we got a problem.
Speaker 1: Now. We were just from a family that was very
Speaker 1: you know, our parents didn't drink didn't even drink wine. Naturally,
Speaker 1: smoking is not good for you, and so I mean
Speaker 1: it just it was just expected and coming from you know,
Speaker 1: obviously father playing in the NFL. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: common sense and so, I mean it was just a given.
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't like you we were sneaking around
Speaker 1: and doing anything like that. But yeah, he probably would
Speaker 1: have kicked our ass.
Speaker 2: I think Clay Saint and said, you speak for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, wowkright, go for it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think are the rebel of the family.
Speaker 1: Oh me, No, No, no, Kyle, Kyle.
Speaker 5: I think it's safe to say that which is which
Speaker 5: is interesting what the dynamic within the family is now
Speaker 5: in my role within the family. But to your question,
Speaker 5: and to piggyback on what Clay said, I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's a conversation my dad ever had with us, like, hey,
Speaker 5: if you do these things like you know, you're in
Speaker 5: big trouble. I think it's I think it's a combination
Speaker 5: of to Clay's point, knowing that they weren't good for you.
Speaker 5: My parents didn't do it so somewhat as a kid,
Speaker 5: not often, but there's correlation, like your parents behavior and
Speaker 5: modeling it. But I think also if I had to
Speaker 5: look back, I don't know if I've ever done this
Speaker 5: like in this the way I will now is like
Speaker 5: and tell me if I'm right. We wanted to as boys,
Speaker 5: we wanted to be our dad when we grew up.
Speaker 5: My dad is like a superhero. You know, he's this
Speaker 5: nineteen year NFL star, like good looking, jacked, great person,
Speaker 5: and it still is. But like at the time, you know,
Speaker 5: he's thirty, thirty five, forty and just and he didn't
Speaker 5: do any of those things. And so subconsciously, I'm sure
Speaker 5: there was part of that where it's like, well, if
Speaker 5: he doesn't do it, we shouldn't do it either, if
Speaker 5: we want to be that when we grow up again.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that if that's like a specific
Speaker 5: conversation he had with us, I can't remember that. You
Speaker 5: just you just didn't do it, right.
Speaker 2: Do you think the standard is the standard?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all you guys kind of knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When you you guys now have kids, do you find
Speaker 4: it like you're gonna want to have those conversations say hey,
Speaker 4: we don't do these things or just kind of lead
Speaker 4: by lead by example the way your father did. Because
Speaker 4: I feel like it's much easier to say, hey, don't
Speaker 4: do these things. And obviously you don't want you don't
Speaker 4: want to do those things yourself either, but to have
Speaker 4: be like it's just known can be tough. It seems
Speaker 4: like you guys got the message loud and clear. But
Speaker 4: for having kids, have you guys approach it any differently?
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, my kids are a little older, and I
Speaker 5: don't know if you're having those conversations with kids yet,
Speaker 5: But like my oldest is fourteen. I got four kids,
Speaker 5: my son Brody fourteen, daughters Kylie and Dixie who are eleven,
Speaker 5: and seven, and then I got three year old son Murph,
Speaker 5: and so Brody, I just I take kind of the
Speaker 5: Trump tack. I Trump told his kids like no drugs,
Speaker 5: no alcohol, you know, no tobacco, And I just say,
Speaker 5: those are my rules. And I'm you know, I'd like
Speaker 5: to think of myself as a principal father. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of rules, but the rules
Speaker 5: I have, I feel confident to say, my kids know
Speaker 5: where the line is and so those are those are
Speaker 5: some of my very few rules in the house. And
Speaker 5: so the answer to your question, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 5: making the assumption our parents probably made with us and
Speaker 5: luckily it turned out okay. But I'm having those conversations
Speaker 5: with my children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna have to have them as well.
Speaker 1: But my youngest, my youngest is Colton, who's five. My
Speaker 1: daughter just turned nine, Maddie, and my oldest, Clay, the
Speaker 1: fourth is nine, will be or she's my daughter's eight,
Speaker 1: my son's nine, he'll be ten. It's like a Crimarti
Speaker 1: moment right here. But Colton's great at getting Daddy the
Speaker 1: yellow can in the in the mini fridge, which is uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the pills there, so, but we'll have those
Speaker 1: conversations new lat Can for the I PA. But we'll
Speaker 1: we'll have those conversations later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Dude, what when you were having being in the third,
Speaker 4: when you were having a kid before you knew did
Speaker 4: you want to did you want a boy? Did you
Speaker 4: want that fourth?
Speaker 1: I didn't care if it was a boy or girl
Speaker 1: at the time. And then when we had him at
Speaker 1: a way, yeah, it was just kind of a given.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, I kind of got to
Speaker 1: keep this going. But I did kind of waiver a
Speaker 1: little bit, thinking like I don't want to name him
Speaker 1: the fourth, Like we're getting into English royalty over here.
Speaker 1: That shit's still fourth. It is. But it's funny because
Speaker 1: I had through hearsay, I think my mom had said,
Speaker 1: my Dad's like, I don't want the I don't want
Speaker 1: the name to go away, and since obviously he was junior,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, all right, we got to name the fourth.
Speaker 1: But that was tricky out in Green Bay because it's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people named Clay out there, and
Speaker 1: they treat you, you know, the celebrity out there is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of freedom, so we had to.
Speaker 1: We called him Bubba, that was our nickname. And he's
Speaker 1: still between the family, he goes by Bubba, and now
Speaker 1: that we're out and then we're in the south now,
Speaker 1: so Bubba actually fits in. But he finally goes by
Speaker 1: Clay at school now because nobody cares about me anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Always, I always, I always think it's interesting. I'm the
Speaker 5: oldest boy and my dad didn't give me that name,
Speaker 5: And I swear to God, if he hadn't em me Clay,
Speaker 5: I'd be six four, two hundred and fifty pounds. I'd
Speaker 5: be sitting in an office somewhere typing out TPS report.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, along the way, did you ever did you
Speaker 2: ever think about that, like feel some type of way
Speaker 2: along the way like you were or your dad's junior,
Speaker 2: and then ultimately Clay becomes a third, like I'm the
Speaker 2: third as well, William orl the third, and I'm the oldest.
Speaker 2: So I would I never had to think of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, I don't know. I've never you know,
Speaker 5: I know a lot of juniors and thirds, maybe not
Speaker 5: as much for it, they're always the first. I've I
Speaker 5: haven't thought about it other than like the joke like
Speaker 5: I'm I've convinced myself that if I got the name
Speaker 5: like just the way that Dyna, I'd be like, you know,
Speaker 5: I'd be an ex NFL guy with a man bun,
Speaker 5: but like you can only get away and if he
Speaker 5: plays sports ory, you're a Yogans.
Speaker 1: I used to live in Van Eye, so I can
Speaker 1: go a different out with that man. But uh no,
Speaker 1: So the reason why I was named is because I
Speaker 1: guess uh ran out of names. Well no, from what
Speaker 1: I've heard, and maybe my parents are lying to me,
Speaker 1: is that when they had the the ultrasound back in
Speaker 1: the day, they weren't that good, so they thought I
Speaker 1: was a girl before I was born came out, I
Speaker 1: was a boy, and I guess you gotta leave.
Speaker 5: Why do they think you were a girl?
Speaker 1: Though, Man, it's medicine, it's all good. They couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't see the easiest lay, but you have ever been
Speaker 1: so yeah, So I guess my grandfather had called my
Speaker 1: father and my mom and said, you know, want you
Speaker 1: his name after me and my brother who's in between
Speaker 1: Kyle and I here, his middle name is Clay because
Speaker 1: that was going to be the you know, continuation of
Speaker 1: that Clay name, and so now my name, my middle
Speaker 1: name is actually Clay as well. It's William Clay Matthews.
Speaker 1: So oh, let's go.
Speaker 4: Taylor Curtis.
Speaker 2: One day I get a boy, so I can carry
Speaker 2: on the on the name if when you're a junior,
Speaker 2: it's so easy.
Speaker 4: I feel like, when you get to the third, the
Speaker 4: fourth to fifth, you tell my royalty. I think that's awesome.
Speaker 4: But being a junior is not the best. And you
Speaker 4: had to have a nice name to William Earl's nice.
Speaker 4: William Clay is great. Taylor Curtis. I don't want to
Speaker 4: pass that down. I don't want to give that. I
Speaker 4: don't want to give that bait ass name to my kids.
Speaker 4: Give him something cool.
Speaker 5: But now I got two girls.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm spitting. There's a whole there's a there's a
Speaker 4: war going on this cold. We had a team meeting
Speaker 4: last week and at the team meeting turned into JP
Speaker 4: and a couple of guys being like, just have a third,
Speaker 4: just have a third. So I'm obviously gonna been the knee. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know how your household works. I don't run
Speaker 4: my show. There's nothing about my house. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm the man, not if you want to does not happen.
Speaker 4: I will be having a third kid, don't tell.
Speaker 2: My wife has figured out that the only reason is
Speaker 2: the nose because of him. So now we're trying to
Speaker 2: try to get.
Speaker 4: That one true And tell you made me feel a
Speaker 4: little bit better because you said you got I'm here
Speaker 4: fourteen eleven, nine and three. So that big gap sits
Speaker 4: year down.
Speaker 5: Said that was a COVID Like whoops.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like hands.
Speaker 5: My wife's always like, oh gosh, she's always like, she's
Speaker 5: always like, you had one job. You couldn't even do that, right?
Speaker 2: Did you ever?
Speaker 4: Did you ever dabble with the idea of going to
Speaker 4: get a little surgery?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm medically retired now, yeah you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm out.
Speaker 5: I had to go red shirted out the baby making.
Speaker 4: Game checks in the mail.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 5: But he was a little, you know, too little, too late.
Speaker 2: So now sometimes you play that Russian roulette.
Speaker 5: No, but but now we got the fourth. He's healthy,
Speaker 5: you know, like when he turns eighteen, I'll be like, hey,
Speaker 5: how you doing, Like what's your name? You know? No,
Speaker 5: Murph is like, uh, you know, we get all the
Speaker 5: kids together every almost every Saturday, and he's like the
Speaker 5: little he's like the little pet like he's he's he's fun.
Speaker 5: You know, you throw a ball and he goes and
Speaker 5: gets it and then he brings it back. It's like
Speaker 5: kind of a fetch thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you plus plus if you having a fourteen eleven
Speaker 4: year old, it's like you have built in babysitters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like no, no, not, my kids are.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna find a way around this thing.
Speaker 5: But but now see so it's it's leverage, right, and
Speaker 5: so when you have, as a related to air.
Speaker 4: Well hold on with your kids. Is now I have leverage.
Speaker 4: I can use it. I'm gonna come across.
Speaker 5: No, I'm playing like with my fourteen year old. It's like, hey,
Speaker 5: when especially as as the male with the air thing,
Speaker 5: and you're like, when you got one, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of leverage on his end. Now I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: I got an air and a spare, Like you mess up,
Speaker 5: I got another one coming up the ranks. You know,
Speaker 5: like I got a backup who's on a cheaper contract
Speaker 5: and making plays like you can't sit out too many
Speaker 5: games right now? You know, like it's called I hold
Speaker 5: them accountable, right, Just know it's it's science ability availability.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know how that.
Speaker 2: Is for the team you're against with the year old man?
Speaker 2: What was it like growing up? So we last year
Speaker 2: we had on we've had on Christan McCaffrey, and we
Speaker 2: had on his dad, Ed McCaffrey, and Christian was telling
Speaker 2: us stories how he couldn't get arm tackled growing up
Speaker 2: or grabbed by the jersey, how you'd have to take
Speaker 2: the jersey and everything else and if he'd get arm tackled,
Speaker 2: he'd get grounded. Was your How was he told it?
Speaker 4: He told a story about his dad went into the
Speaker 4: backyard in the woods and found an empty coke can
Speaker 4: and came to the house it was this and they
Speaker 4: got grounded for drink and soda at least.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you you've got an interesting story because I
Speaker 1: think you you put on didn't he have you put
Speaker 1: on pads? And you did drills with him? Because I
Speaker 1: I didn't have that experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here here's I answer you a question. And then
Speaker 5: he coached you more. But I was the oldest, so
Speaker 5: like my understanding of the McCaffrey's which is very limited,
Speaker 5: but I heard I heard that, like those stories is.
Speaker 5: My father was the total opposite. And I'll give you
Speaker 5: some examples here, like I didn't play football till ninth grade, right,
Speaker 5: and I played in all sports, but I played soccer
Speaker 5: as a fall sport, and it just just is what
Speaker 5: it is. He never once pushed football. We never watched
Speaker 5: a single football game in our house unless my dad
Speaker 5: was playing, and even then we may or may not
Speaker 5: watch it depending on the broadcast schedule. Never watched a
Speaker 5: college football game until I played in one. Never watched
Speaker 5: an NFL game unless my dad, maybe my uncle. I
Speaker 5: don't even think we watched my uncle Bruce, Yeah he
Speaker 5: was yes. So it was the total opposite. It was
Speaker 5: very you know, kind of what we believe old school
Speaker 5: parenting is, like you just let kids be kids. They
Speaker 5: figured out like no involvement, nothing. When I was going down,
Speaker 5: when I was getting ready to play football in college,
Speaker 5: the only conversation my father ever had with me, and
Speaker 5: you might have been different, was like, hey, uh, you
Speaker 5: know you don't have to play football because I played football.
Speaker 5: It was like Matthew's like emoting, which is non like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah cool.
Speaker 2: That don't be too weird.
Speaker 5: No, we were just weird. Well, what's just happened, you know,
Speaker 5: But we were we are at a stop by. He's like, hey, uh,
Speaker 5: you know you don't have to play football because I played.
Speaker 5: I go, yeah, yeah, Dad, I know that. He goes, Okay,
Speaker 5: I just want you to know that I was whoa
Speaker 5: like he.
Speaker 2: You know, I love you, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: The only thing my dad retired when I was a
Speaker 5: sophomore in high school. I mean, you think about that.
Speaker 5: He played nineteen years, so like imagine your kids being
Speaker 5: a sophomore in high school. When he retired, it was different.
Speaker 5: And then he started coaching. Yeah, it's wild. And then
Speaker 5: he started coaching me in high school and that was
Speaker 5: the only involvement. By then I had chosen to play football.
Speaker 5: He coached you a lot earlier because you were younger,
Speaker 5: And the only time was heading into my senior year
Speaker 5: in high school, they were moving me from like defensive
Speaker 5: back down to like kind of outside rush, and I
Speaker 5: think he thought I needed to truly probably did get
Speaker 5: more physical. So he put pads on me and like
Speaker 5: it was like one hundred degrees in a Gore Hills, Like,
Speaker 5: he put pads on me, and during the summer he'd
Speaker 5: make me go down and he would put pads on
Speaker 5: and we'd have to do hitting drills. This is true,
Speaker 5: this is this is.
Speaker 4: Why he's still playing or just recently retired, like a
Speaker 4: year out of the league. He's still got it.
Speaker 5: No, he's he's like the.
Speaker 2: Rock grid iron games.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Like so on one hand, he had no involvement whatsoever.
Speaker 5: He was just like, look, I'll let my kids figure
Speaker 5: out who they are. If they're going to be players,
Speaker 5: are gonna be players. If they're not, they're not. But yeah,
Speaker 5: in high school he put on helmets and shoulder pads
Speaker 5: and like I would have to go thump them. And
Speaker 5: I remember like, and I was not that kid who
Speaker 5: was about like getting best, Like what am I doing
Speaker 5: out here right now? Like all my friends are at
Speaker 5: the beach and so you're thinking about TPS reports. Yeah
Speaker 5: that would come later, Yeah, that would come later when
Speaker 5: you know, I realized I had no options, so, you know,
Speaker 5: but that was the only thing. I don't know. Was
Speaker 5: he different with you?
Speaker 1: Well, I remember him taking me to the Golds gym
Speaker 1: in like sixth grade, and I was just such a bitch,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to lift, you know, he was
Speaker 1: putting the the brown paper towel over the neck machine
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Dad, and I couldn't even do you know,
Speaker 1: like a like a five on each side of the
Speaker 1: you know, the bench press. I was embarrassed and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to and I just want to play probably
Speaker 1: Halo at the time, and I didn't really want to,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until and my dad was like he
Speaker 1: tried to. But you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like Kyle said, he's like, all right, man, like you know,
Speaker 1: you do you and you figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so my junior year I had a buddy still
Speaker 1: my best friend of this day. He ended up getting
Speaker 1: drafted by the Chicago Bears and oh wait, hurt his
Speaker 1: back and you know, fell out of the league. But
Speaker 1: ultimately we pushed each other. And so I was also
Speaker 1: late to develop. So between my junior and senior year
Speaker 1: in high school, I went through puberty and I probably
Speaker 1: grew like four inches and put on like forty pounds.
Speaker 1: So at that time I was big for where I
Speaker 1: played football, and I was I was decent, but not
Speaker 1: good enough to get a college scholarship. So ultimately, like
Speaker 1: you know, as far as his uh wait.
Speaker 5: What is that picture of my dad and my uncle
Speaker 5: with their shirts off, go down bottom, right. I don't
Speaker 5: think I've ever seen that. That's that sports.
Speaker 4: Is win.
Speaker 1: You find anything, But I mean, yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: we Yeah, he kind of just let us just develop
Speaker 1: into our own person. And like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a right or wrong way. Like I developed
Speaker 1: a natural love for the game and appreciation for it, so,
Speaker 1: you know, unlike the mcap obviously that's working well for
Speaker 1: the mccaffreys, you know. So there was really no right
Speaker 1: or wrong. But that's how he parented us, and when
Speaker 1: he retired, he naturally jumped into coaching me as a kid.
Speaker 1: So I've had his tutelage and coaching ever since I
Speaker 1: was in I think third third grade, So you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I've had I really think getting into the
Speaker 1: league as a rookie, just having immediate success was just
Speaker 1: because I grew up in that family. I knew what
Speaker 1: was expected. I knew, you know, what was going to
Speaker 1: come at me, money, fame, women, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: So I was ready to go.
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Speaker 4: When you talk about going not having a scholarship after
Speaker 4: high school and then obviously you know your uncle, your dad,
Speaker 4: like your entire family just like it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: a Matthews.
Speaker 2: You guys ever Matthew's family Wikipedia, Yeah, exactly, you have that.
Speaker 4: Is there anything going through your head of like I
Speaker 4: didn't live up to the name, or I didn't I
Speaker 4: didn't you know, exceee, I didn't meet the expectations that
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to meet. Whether it's your family putting on
Speaker 4: you or you personally put it on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I never felt that at all. If I
Speaker 1: got something I think about for my you know, my
Speaker 1: son the fourth, I'm like, oh, shoot, man, you have
Speaker 1: to live up these expectations. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's how my dad felt. A lot of people ask me, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna play in the NFL, You're gonna
Speaker 1: do this. I was just kind of doing my thing,
Speaker 1: and I never felt pressure from him, much like he
Speaker 1: told Kyle to live up to the expectation of play
Speaker 1: in the NFL, playing for nineteen years and accomplishing all
Speaker 1: that he accomplished. So mine was just natural and gradual.
Speaker 1: But I never felt that pressure. You know. The pressure
Speaker 1: that I felt was once I started ascending, got into
Speaker 1: the NFL and wanted to maintain that standard and the name,
Speaker 1: like you just said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I could comment on that. So I felt
Speaker 5: it tremendously, like it was a it was a weight
Speaker 5: my whole life. I don't know if it's because I
Speaker 5: was the oldest, or I just wired differently and Clay's
Speaker 5: better at tuning things out than I am. It was
Speaker 5: just you got it your whole life, and I was
Speaker 5: really we both were, but me, i'd argue even more, so,
Speaker 5: really small undersize our whole life. We're always like the Runts,
Speaker 5: and so you know, and we moved around a lot,
Speaker 5: like oftentimes we moved back and forth, but all all told,
Speaker 5: we moved thirty plus times, you know, because my dad
Speaker 5: would play for the Browns. So we'd moved to Cleveland
Speaker 5: in July August and we live in Cleveland until December Januy,
Speaker 5: we moved back.
Speaker 1: To no off season at the time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, live in l Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it was a true off season, which means like
Speaker 5: you see you later see in six months. So no
Speaker 5: matter where I went, I would get comments like, man,
Speaker 5: what what happened to you? You're a Matthews, Like you
Speaker 5: must be a disappointment, Like you're why you're so undersized,
Speaker 5: like you're the run like we all were. That I
Speaker 5: would argue, but I, again, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 5: wired different.
Speaker 4: Kids and wife beaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're also the first one going through.
Speaker 5: And I was the first one going through it, and
Speaker 5: then part of it. Not to dismiss Clay's experience, because
Speaker 5: that was his experience. Like he made it, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: he made it and had a phenomenal career. Now that
Speaker 5: wasn't always how it looked right, you know, certainly coming
Speaker 5: out of high school and what he was able to
Speaker 5: accomplish at as see, and the transformation physically and mentally
Speaker 5: in his game to be a first round pick and
Speaker 5: go on to have a brilliant career. I didn't and
Speaker 5: so very much that in my humble opinion, led to
Speaker 5: ultimately what and I'll let others define it, but like
Speaker 5: if I've achieved success in business, I really give credit
Speaker 5: to that drive, that motivation was. If you look at
Speaker 5: the Matthews and again, you know, I want to be fair.
Speaker 5: It's hard for me to be impartial with my family.
Speaker 5: I love him tremendously. Like you look at the history
Speaker 5: of the Matthews, especially on the male side, it's just
Speaker 5: high achievement. Going back to my great grandfather, Maddie played
Speaker 5: professional baseball and then ultimately was a boxing coach at
Speaker 5: the Citadel. My grandfather Clay the first Clay Senior was drafted,
Speaker 5: played for the forty nine ers. He played for the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers, then went and served in the Airborne,
Speaker 5: then went back played for the forty nine ers, got
Speaker 5: out of the league. This is in fifty five fifty six,
Speaker 5: because he had five kids, and you couldn't support a
Speaker 5: family on five You couldn't support a family of five kids.
Speaker 5: The area is right there. Handsome guy looks like me.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 1: This is a trip.
Speaker 5: Couldn't support a family of five on an NFL salary
Speaker 5: because it wasn't. So he goes into business. Fast forward
Speaker 5: twenty years. He's the CEO of a publicly traded company,
Speaker 5: so highly successful.
Speaker 2: Then you have.
Speaker 5: There's four males in the next generation, my dad and
Speaker 5: my uncle who are Hall of Fame effectively Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame player. My father longest. I think most games NFL
Speaker 5: history as a linebacker my dad, I could be wrong.
Speaker 5: And then most games NFL history as a o lineman, Bruce,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that's true, are still true. And then
Speaker 5: the two other males were mentally handicapped.
Speaker 1: So like that.
Speaker 5: Where I'm getting is I'm the oldest male of the
Speaker 5: next generation between me, Clay Bryan Casey on our side,
Speaker 5: so four, and then how many males on Bruce six seven,
Speaker 5: so eleven twelve, I'm the oldest. And then I played
Speaker 5: football at SC and I get a letter, I play
Speaker 5: some special teams. It does I realize I'm not going
Speaker 5: to go to the NFL. Like I see I played
Speaker 5: the same position at the same time as Troy Polamolo.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, okay, that's an NFL guy.
Speaker 4: Competition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Watching him kill that dude on that special thing is playing.
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 5: I was I was there on the sideline. No, but
Speaker 5: but I I very quickly I said, okay, that's an
Speaker 5: NFL guy.
Speaker 4: That's not me.
Speaker 5: And so I go into the I go into commercial
Speaker 5: really say the work, the workplace, and I'm sitting there
Speaker 5: my first day at work, like sitting in a cube
Speaker 5: like kind of what all athletes you know have dread, Like,
Speaker 5: oh no, that nine to five, so to speak. It's
Speaker 5: it's not that bad. It just very much, you know,
Speaker 5: think of a visual representation. I said, well, I'm not
Speaker 5: going to be the first average Matthews Like, okay, it's
Speaker 5: not going to be the NFL. If it's going to
Speaker 5: be this real estate thing, I'm going to do whatever
Speaker 5: it takes to be the greatest of all time because
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be the first in my line
Speaker 5: to be an average and to not leave a mark
Speaker 5: for whatever that's worth. And you could say, oh, expectations,
Speaker 5: that's not fair, that's silly. That's true, Like that's what
Speaker 5: drove me and fast forward, you know, ostensibly twenty years
Speaker 5: to the position I'm in in my industry. Expectations was
Speaker 5: and to this day is the primary driver outside the
Speaker 5: ones we all have, which is supporting our family and
Speaker 5: well creation, wealth and things like that. So it was huge,
Speaker 5: huge for me, and to this day is I don't
Speaker 5: want to let down that legacy. And I'm sure people
Speaker 5: listening is like, well, that's stupid. That's what I felt, right.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. How long
Speaker 4: did it take you to kind of feel like at
Speaker 4: peace with the end? Not make it to the NFL
Speaker 4: going into more of a traditional job because I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people that listen to the show, we
Speaker 4: have a lot of x NFL players on, we don't
Speaker 4: have a lot of people that are you know, just
Speaker 4: played college and then we're highly successful in the real
Speaker 4: estate world. So more people than not have to make
Speaker 4: that transition earlier than people that are usually on the
Speaker 4: show that it probably won't don't know like how like
Speaker 4: how long did it take you to come to peace
Speaker 4: with like one to the next chapter?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 4: It took a minute to get that one out.
Speaker 2: But well, here's what he had such a good job
Speaker 2: articulating the entire journey. Question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's here's what you can.
Speaker 2: Tell he's in the CDs. You know why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's here's what.
Speaker 5: I want to make sure I answer your question because
Speaker 5: there's like a couple of things to impact there. So
Speaker 5: the first I want to say that I have had
Speaker 5: time to think about this, and I am convinced that
Speaker 5: it was a blessing for me never really to get
Speaker 5: traction as a player into college in the NFL. I
Speaker 5: I and I have I've seen this firsthand, both within
Speaker 5: my family and outside my family, that I actually think
Speaker 5: it's harder if you play in the league four or
Speaker 5: five years. It's like a tease, like you actually taste
Speaker 5: and touch it and you get you get paid, whether
Speaker 5: it's the minimum three ninety five. I don't know if
Speaker 5: that's still it or you get paid three million bucks
Speaker 5: a year to do that for four or five years
Speaker 5: and you do get some wealth and then for the
Speaker 5: career not to work out and you're thirty and you say, okay,
Speaker 5: what do I do now? And then you start in
Speaker 5: a career. Let's just say just like mine, and let's
Speaker 5: say you're starting salaries fifty five grand. You're like fifty
Speaker 5: five grand like I made that per quarter, right, And
Speaker 5: it's such it's such a mind buck, right, It's it's
Speaker 5: not it's really hard. I never had to overcome that,
Speaker 5: and so I'm sensitive and I have empathy for the
Speaker 5: athletes who actually did play. They didn't play long enough.
Speaker 5: If I may to not, at least financially ever have
Speaker 5: to work again, Whether you should or shouldn't, that's that's opinion.
Speaker 5: But like to where financially you know, you probably don't
Speaker 5: need to worry about money. A lot of athletes they
Speaker 5: play a little bit and then it's taken away. So
Speaker 5: again I want to make sure I answer your question.
Speaker 5: I think it was easier for me, and it wasn't easy,
Speaker 5: but it was easier for me because I never even
Speaker 5: I never even tasted that or touched it or experienced that.
Speaker 5: So I went straight from you know, kind of a
Speaker 5: special teamer in college to like the workforce. And so
Speaker 5: the answer to your question is it it's it's very hard,
Speaker 5: and it it gets easier over time, but you never
Speaker 5: truly get over it. And I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: know if if a guy who played fifteen years and
Speaker 5: never has to work again and made all pro and
Speaker 5: is in the Hall of Fame ever gets over it.
Speaker 5: You see it every day. I don't know if any
Speaker 5: of you guys will ever get over it. It's so hard,
Speaker 5: you know, to have that life when you're twenty seven,
Speaker 5: and then fast forward to forty seven, and you know,
Speaker 5: people care less and you make less. So it just
Speaker 5: it was really hard. Early on, I'm sitting in that cube,
Speaker 5: I'm working at the time. I usually get in the
Speaker 5: office at five forty five to six, and I worked
Speaker 5: till eight thirty nine at night, like five days a
Speaker 5: week plus Saturdays. And all of my teammates, my close
Speaker 5: friends from SC like I would say all a lot
Speaker 5: of them are playing in the league, especially at that
Speaker 5: time with Pete Carroll and g I ay say it
Speaker 5: was early two thousands early two thousands, and he came
Speaker 5: in right after there was a ten year run where
Speaker 5: like in any given year, you know, ten fifteen year
Speaker 5: teammates were going to the league, and everyone going there
Speaker 5: was like I'm going to the NFL. Whether that happened
Speaker 5: or not, obviously, you know, not everybody made it. But
Speaker 5: you know guys that I played with, Sean Cody, a Loofuz,
Speaker 5: Super obviously, Lionert Bush, all those guys like they're playing
Speaker 5: and they're moving on, and I'm you know, sitting in
Speaker 5: a much less glamorous light, you know, wearing a suit
Speaker 5: and tie and and uh, you just everybody handles it differently.
Speaker 5: I just again getting back to partly the not letting
Speaker 5: the Matthew saying. Now, I said, I'm just not gonna
Speaker 5: I'm just not gonna let these guys have these big
Speaker 5: lives and I'm not. And if it's real estate, I
Speaker 5: don't know how. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna figure it out. Like I'm not going
Speaker 5: to be the only unsuccessful teammate. I'm not going to
Speaker 5: have my teammate say hey, we're gonna go here and
Speaker 5: say sorry, I can't do that or I can't afford that.
Speaker 5: And again one of my big driver was the family legacy,
Speaker 5: but one of many drivers you have or you hope
Speaker 5: you have when you're when you're getting getting out of sports.
Speaker 5: Did I answer your question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 2: It's kind of that if you can tell you understood
Speaker 2: this about Kyberfest is kind of the first time you're
Speaker 2: hearing all of it, and.
Speaker 1: Like, well, as far as the legacy is concerned, that's
Speaker 1: definitely new to me. And it doesn't sup though, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't the reason why he's had a success, But
Speaker 1: as to where that motivator comes from, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's I'm not gonna say a surprise, but
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear because obviously it's Matthews. We talk
Speaker 1: about how we're emotional but not a motive. So to
Speaker 1: have these conversations, you know, you're like, oh, okay, it's
Speaker 1: usually when it's a little a little late, but yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point about you know, like us kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us we have to be
Speaker 1: at peace with when our career comes to end, because
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us wanted to give it up. No,
Speaker 1: highest paid probably at one point. I know I was
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, All Pros ten years. Yeah, argue, I'm a
Speaker 1: little round up for you.
Speaker 5: If you include Dynasty Mode in Madden.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and you know, so you have to be
Speaker 1: at peace with that. You have to, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's it's you can't sit here because obviously I still
Speaker 1: felt like I have I had some tread on the
Speaker 1: tires when the Rams let me go in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine team, but you still feel like you got tread. Well,
Speaker 1: I do have tread, It's just you know, it's more
Speaker 1: around my stomach right now.
Speaker 2: So's but you do look like you could, Yeah, if
Speaker 2: the playoff team needed you right now, right plus the jacket.
Speaker 1: The packers said they we're looking for someone, but we
Speaker 1: saw that ended.
Speaker 5: But no one really ever gets over it.
Speaker 4: No one ever gets over it. But you're right, you
Speaker 4: got to have you have to have some sort of peace.
Speaker 4: You have like you you have gratitude. Other than being
Speaker 4: like I wish I could have done X, Y and Z,
Speaker 4: you have to look back and be like, man, I'm
Speaker 4: so lucky I got to do whatever it is, whether
Speaker 4: it was for a couple of years, or if you're
Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame type.
Speaker 1: Guy, this is hard. It's hard to think like that too.
Speaker 1: It is usually a forced out of the league for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Injuries, new GM, new head coach, team sucks,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it may be. So it's always somebody
Speaker 1: else's fault. You got to look in the mirror too
Speaker 1: and be like, whoever's fault to us? You got to
Speaker 1: let it go and you know, be at peace. So
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously you're still working. But for me,
Speaker 1: I learned that from my father, you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as he retired. It's just he would always say he's
Speaker 1: at peace. So I'm like, all right, well.
Speaker 4: Time to do it. Well he's at a piece. Then
Speaker 4: he's ever been at peace.
Speaker 2: Even if you're the greatest and that ego is still there,
Speaker 2: it's only gonna take what probably a decade for a
Speaker 2: generation to start kind of forgetting. Then you're like, do
Speaker 2: these guys forgot what I did? If you're so tied
Speaker 2: to that identity of being the best of all time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think your mind plays tricks on you,
Speaker 5: like this will sound stupid. I to this day, I'm
Speaker 5: forty two. I never even played in the NFL, and
Speaker 5: I'll watch a game be like I think I can
Speaker 5: play like today, like if I if I'm really trained,
Speaker 5: like and that's a joke, but I guarantee you and
Speaker 5: all the athletes like you're like if I just wake
Speaker 5: up tomorrow and I get like, I think I could
Speaker 5: get back to it, and then you work out hard
Speaker 5: for like two days, You're like, let.
Speaker 4: Me stop you there. I've been we go to a
Speaker 4: lot of games during the fall, and I'll watch warm
Speaker 4: ups and I'm just like, how the fuck do people
Speaker 4: do this? The more you're removed, like the callous leaves
Speaker 4: and you're just like, you know, I get up and
Speaker 4: I'm like I grab I see guys like block a
Speaker 4: little bit. I grab my knee.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't know's it's It's a hard sport
Speaker 5: on everybody, but big guys, it's really hard.
Speaker 4: If you watch the playoffs yesterday, you see Jayden Daniels
Speaker 4: take that hit on the sidelines, It's like, what are
Speaker 4: we doing on here?
Speaker 1: Boys? I watched my kids like jump off the coffee table.
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at his knees.
Speaker 4: Mine my kids like bump their like or whatever. I'll
Speaker 4: kind of like a seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was in Chicago on Friday, they played
Speaker 2: pickup basketball in the afternoon, and I shoot you, now,
Speaker 2: bro Ran, I've been down the court three times and
Speaker 2: my chest for the rest of the day, I'm like
Speaker 2: hawking Logan's yeh. I'm like, man, yeah, it's It's not
Speaker 2: that I thought it was never over, but it's for sure.
Speaker 2: Even waking up this morning, like, I still have some
Speaker 2: inflammation on my knees just from playing pickup BASKETBA.
Speaker 4: That's what makes it so impressive about some guys who
Speaker 4: took a year off and you never really see success
Speaker 4: other than Trent Williams. Trent Williams the only guy I've
Speaker 4: ever seen take a year off come back and be
Speaker 4: the same, if not better than they were before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's built different that Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 1: That's what I felt when I was let go from
Speaker 1: the Rams. It was March of COVID Denver in Seattle
Speaker 1: called and they called it you know, a week one
Speaker 1: of that next I guess the twenty twenty season, and
Speaker 1: I had let myself, Like you said that callous, I
Speaker 1: removed myself just a little bit, and deep down I
Speaker 1: started well, I started filling in where I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the kids' lives, you know, getting to school, picking them up, homework,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And I felt myself gravitating towards
Speaker 1: that role and slipping whatever you'd like to call it,
Speaker 1: pushing football further away to where they would call and
Speaker 1: you're just like, ah, man, this ain't so bad.
Speaker 2: On the other side, yeah, the manuy, you get a
Speaker 2: couple of weekends to yourself and you see your team,
Speaker 2: Like I remember when it was the year I went
Speaker 2: to Oakland, but my year before that, I was with
Speaker 2: the Titans, and the Titans started off that's when that
Speaker 2: was the whole AFC championship. You started off like losing
Speaker 2: four in a row maybe, or you guys were two
Speaker 2: and four. But I'm sitting there, I'm like, thank god,
Speaker 2: I don't got to go in tomorrow because the just
Speaker 2: the bubble that you're in football wise, Like, thank god,
Speaker 2: I'm not about to get it viscerated by Rabel and
Speaker 2: a team meeting.
Speaker 1: But I thought you were coming back though, with Braves
Speaker 1: going over to New England.
Speaker 2: I might be there's a couple of calls, a couple
Speaker 2: of conversations, maybe just the chemistry guy, locker room guy,
Speaker 2: just a strictly vibes guy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stretches job, that stretches job. Take the track.
Speaker 5: Yeah that guy Glenny Balls eats ice cream.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're that just sitting in the corner of the meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: eat some food, taking his jokes extra hard. Yeah, you're
Speaker 4: the funniest man. Yeah. He's at the team meaning you
Speaker 4: get off under the desk, go ahead, coach.
Speaker 5: He's just like you just totally nailed, Like awesome, dude.
Speaker 4: No one can touch you, right yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fluffer. What was it like, Clay for you?
Speaker 2: Like I was reading somewhere where you would have liked
Speaker 2: to have finished in Green Bay, like the legacy that
Speaker 2: you had in Green Bay. What was it like for
Speaker 2: you going to the rams and you were just kind
Speaker 2: of talking about the Denver in Seattle and your kind
Speaker 2: of feeling you're kind of out of it, like coming
Speaker 2: to coming to terms with your career.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was disappointed in how my time in
Speaker 1: Green Bay ended. So my contract was up after the
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season. I played, you know, I played out
Speaker 1: two contracts and we we had a defensive coordinator. In
Speaker 1: my first nine years, I was rolling. My tenth year,
Speaker 1: we had a new decordinate out of career low in sacks.
Speaker 1: But I knew I could still play, you know as
Speaker 1: well everybody says that, but I'm like, I know I
Speaker 1: can still play. I know it and get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback him. Obviously they decided to go in a different direction.
Speaker 2: Would you play an inside a little bit more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thats what I was the two thousand and fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen season. Uh, and they obviously held that against
Speaker 1: me when they say your sack numbers are down, I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I just made two Pro Bowls and
Speaker 1: I'll pro it inside linebacker.
Speaker 2: But of course, just bullshit, you had like sixty tackles
Speaker 2: as an inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, grow did you see my impact?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen were line back on.
Speaker 2: Swinging at the air that you have, not that we
Speaker 2: were saying. We argued that we should have got in there.
Speaker 2: But how did this dude Clay Matthews just off his
Speaker 2: name again?
Speaker 5: Maybe if you grow your hair out, it takes discipline.
Speaker 1: A Yeah, twenty fourteen were the thirty first ranked run defense.
Speaker 1: That was the year we choked to Seattle on the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and then the second half of that season top five
Speaker 1: when I moved inside.
Speaker 2: Okay, argue against Yeah, yeah, stand up, you're right Williams.
Speaker 1: I still got the ego.
Speaker 4: I still got the ego, but the impact I made it.
Speaker 5: He hasn't memorized that anything.
Speaker 1: I just know it. So they let me go, and
Speaker 1: are they let me? You know, Hey, we appreciate all
Speaker 1: you've done here. That's now.
Speaker 2: Are they communicating with you a lot?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: That's That's what I was disappointed with is you know,
Speaker 1: they had insinuated that they were going to bring me
Speaker 1: back or at least, hey, you go out, you know,
Speaker 1: field some offers, we'd like to match it. And then
Speaker 1: I find out on Twitter they signed Preston and Zadarius
Speaker 1: Smith and I'm like, oh, well, you know, and so
Speaker 1: they call, you know, a couple of minutes later, appreciate
Speaker 1: everything you've done, you know, yeah, we'll see you down there.
Speaker 2: How enraged were you with that phone call? I?
Speaker 1: I was kind of shook, you know, because I didn't
Speaker 1: expect that. You know, we my wife, no, we were
Speaker 1: all staying back there in the off season because there
Speaker 1: was some uncertainty. We had our third child out there,
Speaker 1: and I thought I'd for sure be coming back, and
Speaker 1: so that that was you know, I just It was
Speaker 1: in all a little bit and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of fans thought that I chose
Speaker 1: to leave to go to LA being an LA kid
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But the reality was, you know, at that point,
Speaker 1: and we're also four or five six days in the
Speaker 1: free agency. So these coaches, these teams like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you know. They we thought you were
Speaker 1: going to resign there. And so the Rams and the
Speaker 1: Ravens were the two teams that reached out. And I
Speaker 1: talked to Eric Weddle, he was with the Ravens, signed
Speaker 1: with the Rams, and Rams were coming off the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl from LA. Baltimore was offering a little bit more
Speaker 1: money and they just came off a season with Lamar
Speaker 1: had just been drafted. Let's just say they were eight
Speaker 1: and eight. I'm like, oh man, this guy's not gonna
Speaker 1: be any good. They're not eight. Jared goff In the ramsay, yeah, McVeigh.
Speaker 1: So I opted to go to LA. We didn't even
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. They cut me loose. After year, Baltimore
Speaker 1: went fourteen and two. They had like twelve Pro Bowl starters.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, MVC, I'm like, man, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a bad decision. But I really though twenty eleven we
Speaker 1: went far teen and one in Green Bay. In twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen my year in LA were two of my favorite years,
Speaker 1: So I can't speak disparagingly on the RAMS. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed my time there and playing with Aaron Donald, who
Speaker 1: freed up so much for me. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: the first time since my rookie year that I wasn't
Speaker 1: double teamed anymore. And speaking of those stats, I was
Speaker 1: top five and like rush win percentage with like Bosa
Speaker 1: and TJ. Watton and year eleven. So but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know here was that twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't play because you would have gone against
Speaker 4: handled probably.
Speaker 2: Unless it was the first six games, no nineteen.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the first six games PERSONA four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we spend it.
Speaker 1: Yeah we we We played you once, although I didn't play.
Speaker 1: I was injured at the time.
Speaker 4: You guys just hey, when you were injured, I was like,
Speaker 4: thank god.
Speaker 5: You see you see the starters out, You're like game,
Speaker 5: especially when you got kicked out.
Speaker 1: He got kicked out. Ltroit guy on came across the line,
Speaker 1: he knocked over Mary.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we did a hard count. He he jumped
Speaker 4: and he pushed Marcus down. You were not having that.
Speaker 1: Well, they the reps, weren't having you when they kicked
Speaker 1: you out of the game.
Speaker 4: That I will say I was in. I was in
Speaker 4: for four place and I was a part of still
Speaker 4: sixty percent of Demarcolm Murraysey roast Yard. It's not a
Speaker 4: big deal, but uh, I got objected from that game
Speaker 4: because I'm looking at whoever that guy is and the
Speaker 4: ref had his hand on my chest.
Speaker 1: But the rest risk that's right.
Speaker 4: You just like moved a hind and I'm like, he's like,
Speaker 4: you're gone. You're out here, buddy. There is not a
Speaker 4: lonelier feeling they're in that locker room. I had my
Speaker 4: pants on that halftime still when they came in, and
Speaker 4: I'm like in the corner, kind of like will would
Speaker 4: be in Rape's meeting room if you went to the
Speaker 4: past and they lost, like just kind of scared.
Speaker 2: Wow, shot, right, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: But that was Yeah, thank god we won that game.
Speaker 4: Thank god. I thought we were gonna get killed that game.
Speaker 1: I forget what happened. I think we we just didn't play.
Speaker 1: What year was that, sixteen? Yeah, sixteen sixteen sixteen sixteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: ye to your own fans or to us.
Speaker 4: It was more of the refs, But it was just
Speaker 4: a nice photo of me with one of those.
Speaker 1: What did you what was the Did you get a
Speaker 1: fine for just getting injected or did you get to it?
Speaker 4: I got a thirty thousand dollars fine for being injected,
Speaker 4: and I think it got rescinded though, because they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they shouldn't have ejected.
Speaker 1: You by the scaling and you got the victory, and
Speaker 1: you did. It's just like fifteen games season to start.
Speaker 5: Yes, I got a lot of street cred, but I
Speaker 5: already had that going on.
Speaker 4: That's the reason it was like my that was my year.
Speaker 4: I came on the scene a little bit. That's when
Speaker 4: I had like my first Pro Bowl. Things were going
Speaker 4: really well. We ended up going nine and seven after
Speaker 4: going two and fourteen and three and thirteen, so that's
Speaker 4: when they really started to go from me. A little
Speaker 4: bit short lived, but it was still a nice couple
Speaker 4: of years.
Speaker 2: I love how recently was their pods. There's like a
Speaker 2: new story that we get to hear about with you,
Speaker 2: which I mean just oh, yeah, you got injected. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that one you haven't heard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other good one was we it was preseason game.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring this up.
Speaker 4: This is my this is my welcome to the NFL moment.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you can you tell that one. This
Speaker 1: was a this was preseason, like several years later from
Speaker 1: your rookie year. Maybe it's week three, week four.
Speaker 4: We're in We're in lambre Bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lambeau and I still am good friends with. Of
Speaker 1: course I'm blanking on his name right now. Kyler Kyler
Speaker 1: fact Team, Kyler Kyler factro. He actually had eleven sacks
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. But anyways, you were you you guys
Speaker 1: were going at it in the first and he's an
Speaker 1: LDS member, good old boy, you know more man, and
Speaker 1: you were just laying into him. He comes to sideline,
Speaker 1: he's like, he's telling me to go fuck myself. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, let's put that guy man, go get on,
Speaker 1: trying to coach him up, like just running down his face.
Speaker 4: Pre season game. You had a you had a bucket
Speaker 4: hat on a bunch of season out there.
Speaker 1: Don't you only bully you around?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is nothing more enjoyable than a fourth preseason
Speaker 4: game just sitting with the boys do. Would they make
Speaker 4: you wears sholder pets they worshoulder pats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would, they would. Some some would take it,
Speaker 1: like Charles Woodson would take it off but you know
Speaker 1: later right exactly. But I had to keep it on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that was funny the story you told
Speaker 1: me when yeah, talking about.
Speaker 4: We met at uh Thomas's charity event or his wife's
Speaker 4: Love One charity event, and I was I literally like like, hey,
Speaker 4: Clay Matthews here and I kind of like ran over
Speaker 4: there like a little fan. We'd like talk for thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: It was that little brodown and uh yeah, my rookie year.
Speaker 4: It was like the third preseason game and I was
Speaker 4: I was not a starter. Was Michael Roose as the starter?
Speaker 4: But I was in in that bullshit? Uh not the
Speaker 4: tight end but the wing. Not No, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 4: was the tight end on field goal, which is the
Speaker 4: worst position you can possibly be on ever in the
Speaker 4: history of football. You just take three dudes to the
Speaker 4: face constantly. But preseason I'm thinking I'm gonna be all right,
Speaker 4: You're lined up on Michael Roose and like kind of
Speaker 4: on his shoulder. Yeah, ruses down there ten year videos,
Speaker 4: Hey Clay go easy, and he just seees get the rookie,
Speaker 4: and you really just watched Clay in a four point
Speaker 4: stance shift over and I'm like, hey, what's going on here?
Speaker 4: Ball snap dude takes me and there's not like a
Speaker 4: couple guys on me. This is just Clay drives my
Speaker 4: ass in the ground, doesn't doesn't say a word either,
Speaker 4: and jogs off and I'm kind of like helt myself up,
Speaker 4: Like damn motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I actually felt was like, no, not at the time,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was like, I'm sorry for that, but
Speaker 1: you know, you got to think like you probably just scored.
Speaker 1: I actually so I went home on man, I don't
Speaker 1: remember that, but I remember it was pouring rain.
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, it was. I love that it affected
Speaker 4: you enough because I kind of went home and I
Speaker 4: told my life. I was like, I hope he feels
Speaker 4: bad about it.
Speaker 1: I went home and I was like, I just didn't remember.
Speaker 1: I was like, I sprite. We put a preseason again.
Speaker 1: That's when Julius came out there to to Green Bay
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I must have scored and I just
Speaker 1: took it out on him.
Speaker 4: But no, it was Michael, it wasn't It.
Speaker 1: Was always actually rus because.
Speaker 4: I remember like seeing you and I'm there thing to
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to USC. Yeah, you being a walk
Speaker 2: on always blows my mind. I think it blows everybody's
Speaker 2: mind that you were a walk on. When did did
Speaker 2: you ever you earned a scholarship?
Speaker 1: You never?
Speaker 2: I never.
Speaker 1: In fact, I lied when I got to.
Speaker 2: Your first round pick, and you never earned scholars I.
Speaker 1: Didn't get one scholarship.
Speaker 5: So when I went to you, oh, Pete Carroll his
Speaker 5: junior year, you were put on scholarship.
Speaker 7: Is that what you know?
Speaker 1: He's asking me? Going it going to s I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: are you asking out of high school?
Speaker 2: Was I like? Yeah, I knew you were a walk
Speaker 2: on a high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever earn your scholar clarifying idea, Yes,
Speaker 1: my red shirt my third year, my red shirt sophomore
Speaker 1: year earn a scholarship. So I apologize, you're good about
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I was just gonna get into it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like I deserved one. After so, they they
Speaker 1: have this you know, your g P A, I think
Speaker 1: your team GP. I don't know if this is still
Speaker 1: you know, with the nil and whatnot, has to be
Speaker 1: a certain you know what a threshold. And so every
Speaker 1: year they give scholarship to like fifth year walk on
Speaker 1: to bring up the GPA of the teams. Mostly well,
Speaker 1: you know, there would be like there's just be some guys.
Speaker 1: And I felt like after my first year, I felt
Speaker 1: like I deserved a scholarship. It was kind of crazy
Speaker 1: to think, but I felt like I earned it as
Speaker 1: a post to the other guys were getting.
Speaker 2: It in the fashion of the way you performed on
Speaker 2: the team.
Speaker 1: Well, I was red shirted, but going into that next year,
Speaker 1: I was on kickoff and I think punt, so I
Speaker 1: just felt like I had, you know, but I didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. And then the next year, you know, they
Speaker 1: kind of gave me one of the opening.
Speaker 5: So your third year, I guess.
Speaker 1: That'd be my restures sophomore year, reh fresher year. I
Speaker 1: was just trying to keep my head above water. I
Speaker 1: was I was like the scout team running back where
Speaker 1: guys were tackling me. I was the pulling guard for
Speaker 1: dns who were trying to spill it. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this, hold up?
Speaker 7: Hold up?
Speaker 5: When I got to sc we had three practices today.
Speaker 5: These are three days, all right, And then heading into
Speaker 5: like this was freshman soft more and it was really tough.
Speaker 5: And then there were a couple of athletes who passed
Speaker 5: away that summer off season workouts. It was a guy
Speaker 5: at Florida State. Then there was maybe an alignment and
Speaker 5: the bikingkes and so the n CUAA switched, you know,
Speaker 5: changer with they regulated practice where you can't have more
Speaker 5: than two practices a day, like two days in a row,
Speaker 5: all right. So it started to get easier. But when
Speaker 5: I got in his brutal this guy comes in right
Speaker 5: after me.
Speaker 2: Get this.
Speaker 5: So he's he's gonna be a red shirt, is what
Speaker 5: it is like. You know, he's a walk on, he's
Speaker 5: gonna be camp fodder. You know, he gets down there
Speaker 5: for like the first practice. Then they rule him ineligible
Speaker 5: or something. He skipped the entire red shirt camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah what happened. Now, it was a clearinghouse. So I
Speaker 1: had good grades, but some paperwork didn't get submitted because.
Speaker 2: I was actually have good grades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I got, I got. They sent me
Speaker 1: home after a week, and like I said, that first
Speaker 1: week was rutal because you know, you're like the man
Speaker 1: in high school no matter where you went, and uh, man,
Speaker 1: I just remember coming home telling my parents like I
Speaker 1: wanted to quit. I was like, I want to be
Speaker 1: closer at home, go to U C. L A and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And fortunately I didn't go back till
Speaker 1: after Reggie. Uh we beat Virginia Tech and he that
Speaker 1: was his heisman year two thousand and four when we
Speaker 1: won the national championship. But I didn't go back to
Speaker 1: week one of practice. So that honestly saved me because
Speaker 1: I was, man.
Speaker 5: I was, I'm sitting there sitting in my cube, like
Speaker 5: what he does have to practice the whole camp. I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: how does this guy get away with it?
Speaker 4: A walk on, walk on freshman, They try to break you,
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, summer you did summer workouts still, yeah, I I
Speaker 5: you started coming.
Speaker 1: Down, yeah, you know, but I didn't have to. No, Yes,
Speaker 1: I did do summer. I think I did summer. But
Speaker 1: fall camp was like, you know, and especially understand which
Speaker 1: I'm sure as you know, being a you know, high
Speaker 1: were you highly recruited at high school?
Speaker 4: And I mean I know I had like a crazy
Speaker 4: come up my senior year, but I a scholarships American.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, to football. Well, but it's very it's
Speaker 1: very clique, as you know, and so if you're a
Speaker 1: walk on, and there's a negative connotation of walk on,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of putting this bubble with the frat
Speaker 1: boys and whatnot. But I was, I was getting at earlier.
Speaker 1: I lied to some of these guys, like what scholarships
Speaker 1: did you have? I picked the worst teams in the patch.
Speaker 1: I was like Arizona, Arizona State. I threw an Idaho,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, no one's gonna check it.
Speaker 1: So I kind of, you know, I fit in there.
Speaker 1: But then uh, yeah, you're in the top right at
Speaker 1: Young Troy, right there in the front left, the.
Speaker 5: Holy White Boy.
Speaker 2: It's a good feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I forgot. I'm on a tangent right now.
Speaker 4: You tell you're telling all the guys about the scholarships
Speaker 4: you had. You picked the worst teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no would check me and and I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I feel better about myself. So that's that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't get any scholarhip co of high school, but
Speaker 1: I did obviously earn one when I was.
Speaker 2: Just to throw this out there, and Cayle, you can
Speaker 2: help fact check me if I'm wrong here. But you
Speaker 2: thought you deserved a scholarship after your red shirt you
Speaker 2: sorryn't even go to red shirt training camp.
Speaker 1: No, not my red shirt my second year. I I apologize,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, we've got it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of stories like you played with Leonar
Speaker 2: and Bush, like you hear all this stuff. He got
Speaker 2: his heisman taken away for the things that would happen
Speaker 2: heads a Kardashian. Yeah, under Pete Carroll's regime, he goes
Speaker 2: off to Seattle. Do you have any stories? Yeah, man
Speaker 2: about the l A.
Speaker 4: You know, like you guys, that's when like USC was
Speaker 4: truly going legitimate celebrities like you were celebrities to the celebrities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go on rivals dot Com and you see
Speaker 2: them in their gray T shirt cut off T shirts
Speaker 2: working out, and you be that's the place. You see
Speaker 2: that red that red wooden fence behind her. There were
Speaker 2: there were three schools.
Speaker 4: I want to go to. USC was one of them.
Speaker 4: Just that was.
Speaker 1: Was that real quick.
Speaker 4: Oh nine would have been my freshman year. Oh nine.
Speaker 4: And as Pete was still there.
Speaker 1: Well, I know Tyron Smith was still there, but he
Speaker 1: might have been like a junior or he.
Speaker 4: Got drafted on twenty eleven, twelve.
Speaker 1: I think I remember my senior year like these tackles
Speaker 1: it was Khalil Khalil, uh Matt Khalil, and they were
Speaker 1: so skinny and sunny. I'd come back and they're like
Speaker 1: first round draft picks. Yeah.
Speaker 4: There was one guy I can't remember who's in my class.
Speaker 4: He was like the number five tackle. It was like,
Speaker 4: I can't he he had a family like his dad
Speaker 4: also put at USC. But I was like the I
Speaker 4: was two fifty five. I was the way I am
Speaker 4: right now. My senior of high school, like trying to
Speaker 4: get scholarships on potential. This kid was like three ten already, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, this kid looks like he can play in
Speaker 4: the league. I can't remember his name. I had a
Speaker 4: huge vendetta against him my entire college career, as you should.
Speaker 4: Yeah till you keep the chip on the shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well big one or two guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and you just you create narratives in
Speaker 5: your head, you know, yeah, whatever you got to do
Speaker 5: to get yourself up in the morning. So you know,
Speaker 5: we I think you probably like me. We get this
Speaker 5: question on what was it like, you know, la celebrities
Speaker 5: paying players, Like I hate to disappoint at least my experience,
Speaker 5: and I can't say I was you know, I was
Speaker 5: boys with all those guys, like I can't necessarily say
Speaker 5: I was running in the Hollywood circuit with Liner and
Speaker 5: Reggie like that wasn't necessarily my vibes at the time
Speaker 5: or ever, but uh it was. It was really a
Speaker 5: credit to Pete carroll Man and a lot of the
Speaker 5: company I run today. I founded almost a decade ago
Speaker 5: and run I unbeknownst to me at the time, Like
Speaker 5: I got to see a highly successful high performance organization run,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, as good as it possibly can. Where
Speaker 5: Pete created this insane level competition like iron sharpens iron,
Speaker 5: full speed ones versus ones, every day in practice. But
Speaker 5: then he did it in a way that was so
Speaker 5: loose and so fun, lots of pranks, lots of celebrities
Speaker 5: and just the master and and so that's really you know,
Speaker 5: you juxtaposed that versus a Nick Saban, and both are
Speaker 5: insanely successful. They're very different, though, and Pete style, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, you know, so many people tried to replicate it,
Speaker 5: just not to the degree it was. It was a
Speaker 5: lot of fun, he was.
Speaker 1: He was very.
Speaker 5: Transparent about competition. I'll tell you, I'll give you a story.
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting there, I'm sitting behind pull A Malu
Speaker 5: for three years and then heading into my senior year.
Speaker 5: The way I saw it, we had the strong safety
Speaker 5: pretty much settled, and I was a safety and the
Speaker 5: safeties were interchangeable, so the other safety was open, and
Speaker 5: you know, looking at the depth chart, like humbly speaking,
Speaker 5: I felt good about my opportunity to potentially earn that spot.
Speaker 5: And then but they signed a five star freshman, a
Speaker 5: long Beach poly Darnell Being who'd go on to have
Speaker 5: a great career and became a good buddy of mine.
Speaker 5: But you know, I didn't know Darnell personally. When they
Speaker 5: signed him, I'm like, oh crap, Like, here we go.
Speaker 5: So it's before spring, before the first practice you meet
Speaker 5: as a team. You're in the big team meeting room
Speaker 5: and Pete goes, hey, guys, okay, this spring we got
Speaker 5: to get after it. Were just coming off you know,
Speaker 5: a big BCS win like and he goes, but I
Speaker 5: want you to understand the opportunity you, guys, as existing
Speaker 5: players have, is the spring is your showcase because in
Speaker 5: the fall, we're bringing the number one class in. They
Speaker 5: had just signed it because signing days like February. Now
Speaker 5: it's March springball. He goes, we're bringing the number one
Speaker 5: class in and we are going to give them the
Speaker 5: reps and give them the opportunity to beat you out.
Speaker 5: And so you need to take this time seriously because
Speaker 5: you're not gonna have as big of an opportunity in
Speaker 5: the fall. And just to drive home the point, you're
Speaker 5: gonna sit here and for the next hour, we're gonna
Speaker 5: put their highlights on film and you have to sit
Speaker 5: here and watch all of your all of the five
Speaker 5: star recruits are bringing in you guys, I am bringing
Speaker 5: them in to take your job, and you're gonna sit
Speaker 5: here and you're gonna watch their highchool highlights. So we
Speaker 5: had to sit there for an.
Speaker 2: Hour tight in that meeting room.
Speaker 4: Oh my yeah god.
Speaker 5: So we had to sit there and you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: running backs. It was coming in Reggie Lendale. We had
Speaker 5: a guy Chauncey Washington. It was really good running bay
Speaker 5: you know, tight ends o lineman. And then it gets
Speaker 5: the safety like it said, five star, number one in
Speaker 5: the country, rivals number one in the country, this darnel
Speaker 5: being long Beach Polly and I just sit there for like,
Speaker 5: you know, five to six minutes and watch you guys highlights,
Speaker 5: and I'm just sitting there like fuck this motherfucker, like
Speaker 5: you yeah, fuck like because that like when you're in
Speaker 5: that like alpha dog, hyper masculine society that is college
Speaker 5: football or any football, Like it's it's kind of like
Speaker 5: a fighter's mentality. I'm gonna kill this guy, and like
Speaker 5: that's that's what he was doing. It was all Pete
Speaker 5: was so good at the psychological part. And so you
Speaker 5: know the answer to your question really is like I can't.
Speaker 5: I don't have any As far as I know, there
Speaker 5: weren't like alumni handing out money or anything, at least
Speaker 5: not to me, not to you like but but but
Speaker 5: it was the way Pete ran the program. It was
Speaker 5: so intense, it was so high speed, full speed one verse.
Speaker 5: Once he would he would like proactively tell you you
Speaker 5: are competing with him, And yet he did it in
Speaker 5: a way that there wasn't there wasn't open ANIMOSITI. I
Speaker 5: never looked at Darnell or Troy like I hate you know,
Speaker 5: those are my those are my guys. Those were my boys,
Speaker 5: you know, and I and I do the best I
Speaker 5: can to take that and apply it to the company
Speaker 5: I get to run.
Speaker 1: You could talk about you know, celebrities and what not
Speaker 1: coming out like I think, you know, Kyle graduated right
Speaker 1: when they were peaking, and you know, the celebrity was
Speaker 1: coming in, so like Snoop Dogg would come in and
Speaker 1: drop it like it's how we had a guy freestyle
Speaker 1: with him in the front, Will Ferrell come in as
Speaker 1: Ricky Bobby. You know, we had all these guys coming
Speaker 1: in on the sideline and and whatnot. It kept a
Speaker 1: loose environment, but you know, kind of like Kyle alluded
Speaker 1: to it also that what he demanded from us as well.
Speaker 1: He made it very clear and some of my fondest
Speaker 1: memories are are just the stretching lines. You know, We'd
Speaker 1: have Ken Norton and Lane Kiffin and they'd be arguing
Speaker 1: at each other and and Sarkisian was there, mss why
Speaker 1: Ed Ozeron was there? But that you know, uh Ken Norton, Ken,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just the players. Ken Norton would be saying, Laine,
Speaker 1: only reason why you got a job is because your daddy.
Speaker 1: And then Lane would be yelling back, your daddy got
Speaker 1: knocked out by Ali and he said, my daddy, my
Speaker 1: daddy broke all these and it was like but and
Speaker 1: then we went straight into nine on seven, straight in
Speaker 1: the nine on seven. But like, like I said, there
Speaker 1: was no animosity. You know, It's like you could tell
Speaker 1: there was that friction, but it was there was It
Speaker 1: was always competition. That's every meet and every it was
Speaker 1: all about competition.
Speaker 5: And Pete while he was a player's coaching that he
Speaker 5: is fun like, he was a killer man. He was
Speaker 5: a businessman and like and if you got in the
Speaker 5: way of his program, guys would disappear man like, they
Speaker 5: would get out. I remember because back then there was
Speaker 5: no transfer portals, nothing, and again, this is my opinion.
Speaker 5: I can't prove this is like when Pete came in
Speaker 5: because I actually my freshman year I was with Paul
Speaker 5: Hackett and then Pete came in and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: like guys started disappearing off the roster. He would go
Speaker 5: to him and say, hey, listen, and this is what
Speaker 5: I heard. So I'm just is like, hey, you're never
Speaker 5: going to play here, and so you could do one
Speaker 5: or two things. You can transfer out, we'll sign your
Speaker 5: papers like see you later year off. Right, Well, if
Speaker 5: you transferred, you had to take give or what he
Speaker 5: did was he went to guys like, hey, you had
Speaker 5: of shoulder injury, out of knee injury, like you're recovering,
Speaker 5: will medical you, but will like walk you into the
Speaker 5: grad school program. Like cause like he came in, He's like,
Speaker 5: how do I turn this roster around? And I can't
Speaker 5: wait to do it. Fifteen to twenty scholarships at a
Speaker 5: time and my first year thirty five forty guys like
Speaker 5: got cycled through the program at a time that it
Speaker 5: wasn't as liquid as it is today, like where guys
Speaker 5: can just come in and out. I mean nowadays, coach
Speaker 5: are going like, hey, you should transfer because we're not
Speaker 5: going to play you and go somewhere else. So he's
Speaker 5: he's a killer and you respect that. But he did
Speaker 5: it in a way that just, you know, really some
Speaker 5: of the fondest memories of my life. Like what I
Speaker 5: don't know, I'd be interested to ask you guys at question,
Speaker 5: like what do you miss more like playing football or
Speaker 5: the locker room?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Was I missed the locker room? That's what I really miss.
Speaker 2: The locker room is commercials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see Peyton Manning's autograph. There was before J. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: It was me on the defensive side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the uh you brought? You bring up Pete Carroll
Speaker 4: how like Stern he was in hardcore he was, but
Speaker 4: how he made it fun like he seemed like a
Speaker 4: guy that he like made the like the basketball hoop
Speaker 4: in the team meeting room made that famous. Like what
Speaker 4: were some of the things he did to keep it
Speaker 4: Like because my short time I got to me, I
Speaker 4: went to a junior camp at USC and it was
Speaker 4: like I saw him in the first time I met him.
Speaker 4: He gives me a hug and I'm like, this guy's
Speaker 4: the fuck. He just had that energy.
Speaker 5: He's just built different. He has energy that I don't have,
Speaker 5: and like he just I think he was born that way.
Speaker 5: That is not an act, Like he is a high
Speaker 5: energy positivity guy. I'll I'll give you some examples, and
Speaker 5: maybe it changed by the time Clay got there. Like
Speaker 5: you know, it's the middle of camp and you're you know,
Speaker 5: you're what are the twenty eight days in camp and
Speaker 5: it's day eighteen, Like you're just in the shit, right
Speaker 5: and your your body's banged up and you're going hard,
Speaker 5: and Pete's like, hey, like, you know, for practice in
Speaker 5: the morning, practice in the afternoon. So at the end
Speaker 5: of the first practice he I don't know if he
Speaker 5: manufacturing really felt like this, but it was supposed to
Speaker 5: be full pads in the morning, like shells in the afternoon,
Speaker 5: so full pads, and you know, at the end of practice,
Speaker 5: he's like that was a bullshit pro don't like the energy.
Speaker 5: This is bs like just ripping us, you know which, again,
Speaker 5: that wasn't normally his go to sow. He did it
Speaker 5: more than probably the normal fans would think, but like
Speaker 5: it was like and maybe we were dragon asks, so
Speaker 5: we get He's like, you know what, because we're going
Speaker 5: full pads this afternoon, hitting drills, tackling, live everything. We're like,
Speaker 5: oh no, and so he brings us out. In the
Speaker 5: second practice, we start doing the stretch lines and he
Speaker 5: like calls us up and he goes, guys like I
Speaker 5: need to be able to trust you, and I'm paraphrasing
Speaker 5: I need to be able to trust you, Like I
Speaker 5: was not happy with this. So I'm gonna give you
Speaker 5: an option. Either we go hard and like do this
Speaker 5: the right way, or we get on some fucking busses
Speaker 5: and go to the beach. And there are busses lined
Speaker 5: out right outside practice, and we all get on the
Speaker 5: bus in our full pads and go to Manhattan Beach
Speaker 5: and go to the beach.
Speaker 1: That day like yeah, movies, We go watch the beach
Speaker 1: volleyball man and just stuff in the meeting room too.
Speaker 1: I can't remember why, but we always were shooting water
Speaker 1: up in there, guys taking their shirts off, swinging them around.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but like we just that was
Speaker 1: it every meeting. Hey, they always call people up to
Speaker 1: make fun of other people, like what you do with raves,
Speaker 1: Like I always they called me up. All that's because
Speaker 1: I was just the walk on it the time, like
Speaker 1: nobody and then you know, like they would call people
Speaker 1: up to make fun of others. They do one on
Speaker 1: ones watching people get cooked or whatnot up, so like
Speaker 1: they always promoted that environment.
Speaker 5: I'll get you on that team meeting, so like we
Speaker 5: might have to cut this just because I like this guy,
Speaker 5: but we would come in, we would destroy him.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we're having fun.
Speaker 5: We would come in and like to Clay's point, like
Speaker 5: there is this It started my sophomore junior or like
Speaker 5: the meeting room coach O was getting mad about something
Speaker 5: and he smashes a projector with his fist and like
Speaker 5: these are projectors, Like I'm getting old here and he
Speaker 5: smashes it and throws it, and then like we're getting hyped.
Speaker 5: So Kennedy Pola, this big salmon running back coach, he
Speaker 5: played running back, just awesome guy. Like he takes a
Speaker 5: chair and throws it through this window because they're like
Speaker 5: Florida ceiling windows like twelve feet tall and throws it
Speaker 5: through the window and we're sitting like what has happened?
Speaker 5: So then that became kind of like whenever they felt
Speaker 5: like we would just start getting hyped and throwing water
Speaker 5: and so Kennedy pulled the start of the thing, like
Speaker 5: what's the first thing you do before you get in
Speaker 5: a fight? You know, it's like take your shirts up.
Speaker 5: So everyone takes their shirts off. We start like pushing
Speaker 5: each other and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then he's like, then there's this chance, like wartime,
Speaker 5: it's time to go to war, like we're gonna take
Speaker 5: it outside, Like what do you do? You take your
Speaker 5: shirt off? Like let's go outside. We're about to get
Speaker 5: in a fight. That was our chant like back when
Speaker 5: we were winning. I don't think it is anymore. You know,
Speaker 5: Lincoln might need to bring it back, but my point
Speaker 5: is so then, so he started getting more hyped, and
Speaker 5: every every meeting got more and more hyped. It wasn't
Speaker 5: you know to eventually like you took your shirt off,
Speaker 5: like everybody's taking their shirts off. And then we had
Speaker 5: a linebacker coach Coach Holt Nick Hole, he was your coach.
Speaker 5: He ended up going to coach Idaho for a minute.
Speaker 5: He got so hyped up. One time he took his
Speaker 5: shirt off in front of the whole team. Then he
Speaker 5: took his pants off, all of it, underwear, no shit,
Speaker 5: and he's jumping around butt ass naked.
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, yeah, let's fuck whoa.
Speaker 5: And like he's like, what too too much? It's like
Speaker 5: dog but they like and it was like what just happened?
Speaker 4: He was grown man, he just.
Speaker 5: He just he got into that like mannic alpha where
Speaker 5: he went.
Speaker 4: Barely legal kids. Yeah, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: Like after that.
Speaker 5: We we we agreed there was there was a limit
Speaker 5: to the high we gotta draw.
Speaker 4: Was the next meeting Peter Klby like, hey, we can
Speaker 4: get excited, but let's keep our world.
Speaker 5: Probably like Pete had a great way to roll with it.
Speaker 5: But that's when I was like, all right, this place
Speaker 5: is crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 5: It was just it was just next level and then
Speaker 5: uh then Nancy double A came in and killed it.
Speaker 4: So did you ever go to Reggie Bush's house in
Speaker 4: Malibu in college?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 5: I did not.
Speaker 4: Did he have a house in alb I think that's
Speaker 4: what he had that he had cars? Story agen The only.
Speaker 1: Thing I got, honestly, I never saw I never saw money,
Speaker 1: you know, I've never seen any of that. But uh,
Speaker 1: I got two free RB's roast beef sandwiches in the valley.
Speaker 1: That was the only thing I got in my five
Speaker 1: years at s C, I got nothing. So all this stuff,
Speaker 1: where are these guys getting? They get free, you know,
Speaker 1: Redace hundreds of thousand of dollars. I just maybe I
Speaker 1: was just have my head in the sand, but that
Speaker 1: went over mine.
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Speaker 5: Facts you Ma Lugava.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went Keith that senior class. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: what Keith was older was a year He was a
Speaker 1: year older, so he went ninth though, but I was
Speaker 1: even there. Lofa was second round. But yeah, my senior
Speaker 1: year was me and Cush went first round and Ray right,
Speaker 1: he should have gone, well, you're supposed to go first.
Speaker 1: And then Mayava went fourth to the Browns. We had
Speaker 1: a good I think we finished first, first, second, second
Speaker 1: and all the postseason lads and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, had phenomenal. Chris had a great career, even
Speaker 5: Koluka like he started he was playing six seven years. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think baby old or something. Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 5: But that was a great team.
Speaker 2: How was I was cush in college because he seems
Speaker 2: like he was my favor He's my favorite Jersey boy.
Speaker 1: He was my favorite.
Speaker 4: You just have that thing. And when they're playing the
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns and he runs face first and the officsive
Speaker 4: lineman face blood full or Facebook.
Speaker 1: We would be in like coaching Norton with Ken Norton,
Speaker 1: be you know, in meetings and it'd be like lunchtime
Speaker 1: and I'd need like a turkey burger with fries, trying
Speaker 1: to be healthy, and this guy like you know or something,
Speaker 1: and then you see his little watch go off, click it,
Speaker 1: reach underneath out, pull out his like customized meal and
Speaker 1: pills and whatnot. He was just he was dialed in.
Speaker 1: But I love that guy. He's still one of my
Speaker 1: best friends, says Dad. I wish we could have played again,
Speaker 1: still keeping touch, but yeah, he was a monster, and
Speaker 1: I think he helped elevate that room because of his
Speaker 1: Jersey tough mentality. He was about he was about that,
Speaker 1: like he was.
Speaker 4: About that actually yea, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah he and Clay knows him super well. But
Speaker 5: like I was thinking, the last time I hung out
Speaker 5: with Cush, we were in Miami and we're down there
Speaker 5: for the Pro Bowl. Clay's in the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 5: so we're me, Clay, my brother Casey, and Cush. We're
Speaker 5: out and we're having a good time. But it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's like midnight one am. Like I'm
Speaker 5: getting tired, man, We're like grown ups. And Coach like,
Speaker 5: come on, Like we're in Fort Lauderdale, which is about
Speaker 5: an hour north of Miami. Coach like, let's go to Miami.
Speaker 5: There's a there's a party at a club Miami. My
Speaker 5: teammates from the Texans. Andre Johnson is from Miami. He's
Speaker 5: throwing a party over this.
Speaker 1: It was we were the only white police.
Speaker 4: Were outside.
Speaker 5: We're outside this club. We're with Uh it was Ray Lewis,
Speaker 5: it was a Dan Hendo Henderson. We're sitting outside and
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, dude, let's go do I'm tire, Like
Speaker 5: go home, like no, come on, like what do I
Speaker 5: gotta do? And I swear to god you look down
Speaker 5: and I don't know that in the curve there was
Speaker 5: a one dollar bill in like a dirty curt like
Speaker 5: in like gutter water. And I was like, you eat
Speaker 5: that one dollar bill and Cush is like what. I
Speaker 5: was like, eat that one dollar bill. We'll go to Miami.
Speaker 5: So Cush rolls up, he eats a gut like a
Speaker 5: gut or water one dollar bill and he goes. I
Speaker 5: was like, Miami.
Speaker 4: So we go down to Miami. Hold up, that's better.
Speaker 2: We go down.
Speaker 5: We don't really understand the context of this party. So
Speaker 5: we roll in. It's a nightclub Andre Johnson, and the
Speaker 5: entire you is throwing it in like you know, like
Speaker 5: Coral Gables or Brickle or somewhere down there. And we
Speaker 5: walk into Clay's point it look this is not you know,
Speaker 5: it's like, well the only white dudes there and like,
Speaker 5: which is finely Like We're like, oh, this is fun,
Speaker 5: and Cushing we go up. They have a table for us.
Speaker 5: We're you know, we're wapping up some people.
Speaker 2: We know.
Speaker 5: Cush disappears years over there.
Speaker 1: Mario Williams dapping them up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: two in.
Speaker 5: The dance floor, so listen, we have so they're just
Speaker 5: down there, so hold on, hold on, it gets it
Speaker 5: gets better.
Speaker 4: Left. Yeah, this is a Cush story. So like again,
Speaker 4: like Clay, you.
Speaker 5: Made the decision. If we edit this out. I think
Speaker 5: this makes it. I think this makes it look makes
Speaker 5: them look even better. But he disappears and they're bringing
Speaker 5: bottles and bottles and bottles. We're not drinking, like it's
Speaker 5: again now it's two three am, and like the Matthews
Speaker 5: were like, let's go home. Well anyway, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: we're like, hey, we're gonna havead ou He's like, well,
Speaker 5: who's paying for this bill? And it's like this is
Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars? Like what anyone else? It's Cushing. So
Speaker 5: Cushing had left his credit card on the table.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 5: Cush had like a twenty five hundred dollars limit on
Speaker 5: his credit card. Boys, I got this any worry, Like
Speaker 5: he's disappeared, he has his credit card, can't pay for anything,
Speaker 5: and we're like we're not paying for it, and like
Speaker 5: they're like, someone's paying for it. And so finally we
Speaker 5: got the guy to Andre Johnson comes over, it's his party.
Speaker 1: I think it was like his somebody I got it.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 5: And then we always said hey to Andre Johns, you
Speaker 5: got to go track Cush down to get the money.
Speaker 5: And he got the money.
Speaker 4: But like that was cause was Cush.
Speaker 1: Oh he just disappeared. He just disappeared. He was down
Speaker 1: there amongst the crowd, just where he was. Cush told
Speaker 1: me the story. He said like, yeah, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: And then like it was like a month later and
Speaker 1: somebody rolled up on me. You had to like running ship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey you got that money.
Speaker 5: Somebody rolled up and was like, hey, like where's the money? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know Cush is is that guy that's not an act?
Speaker 5: Like he's a savage.
Speaker 4: You know, he had to be crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean it was my entire motivation inspiration, like in
Speaker 2: my high school days, like my dad and my dad
Speaker 2: was pretty psychotic with me as a kid. But you
Speaker 2: were the walk on story Cush. I had to do
Speaker 2: all my dad would buy all the DiFranco tapes. I
Speaker 2: would have to do all the Franco method that Cush
Speaker 2: would do. I mean, Cuss got that you know, diabolical
Speaker 2: before and after photo with when he was going through
Speaker 2: labor and surgery, and then all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 2: like flexing with you. You guys are both flucked in
Speaker 2: the classroom. And then Rave Malugu was my lock screen.
Speaker 2: So I was all sc linebackers, Why didn't you go there?
Speaker 2: I wasn't good enough. I didn't get an offer.
Speaker 1: What year was that?
Speaker 2: Eight was the classic? And I think that was I
Speaker 2: think that was Tyron Smith? Is Tyron Smith?
Speaker 1: What lineback? Who was like Chris Capo or who?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because my.
Speaker 2: Brother he was a five star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother came out. Uh he might have been
Speaker 1: like a three or four star, my younger brother and
Speaker 1: sea Yeah, well I don't know was there. Well anyways,
Speaker 1: eight they passed on him, and uh so he went
Speaker 1: up to Oregon and obviously Organ had played in the
Speaker 1: National Championship ever losing to Cam Newton. But after like
Speaker 1: the first year, did you brother want to transfer back
Speaker 1: to USC You missed?
Speaker 2: You missed the boat was supposed to keep in the family.
Speaker 4: What he is doing. I have a vivid memory of
Speaker 4: It's like week six or seven, No, probably the first
Speaker 4: couple of weeks of my rookie year. And I'm not
Speaker 4: starting but I'm watching Ray Montoluga on the Bengals, and
Speaker 4: we had a whole game plan of like, hey, we
Speaker 4: got hit the perimeter on these guys. So we were
Speaker 4: watching a b of pin pool things with tackles going out,
Speaker 4: and there's a clip from the Ravens where Ray did
Speaker 4: not give a fuck about making the tackle. He was
Speaker 4: just murdering and left right then. And I sat in
Speaker 4: that me room, I was like, I pray to God,
Speaker 4: nobody gets he was playing.
Speaker 1: As a as a freshman at at USC. They put
Speaker 1: him on kickoff like L five R five. He run
Speaker 1: down there, biggest head ever too, and neck and he
Speaker 1: would just just lead with his head and just knock
Speaker 1: pel out and he would just get up. I mean
Speaker 1: he was like you would think he was just straight
Speaker 1: from the island, like you brought him over like like
Speaker 1: Maui you know Demi.
Speaker 2: God, Yeah, he was like before this, like when we
Speaker 2: were talking about my Luga. His body like everybody has
Speaker 2: like a reaction when they're making a big hit, like Ray,
Speaker 2: his body just always stayed so compact. Yeah, his body
Speaker 2: never moved when he made a big There's no like people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was just a.
Speaker 1: Really stout Yeah, he would Yeah, he would have been perfect.
Speaker 1: He probably could have lied. I mean still played for
Speaker 1: several years, but he probably you know that rate, you know,
Speaker 1: late nineties early two thousand generation of inside linebackers who
Speaker 1: just needed to run downhill? Yeah that man, that that
Speaker 1: h u s. The U c l A highlight that
Speaker 1: just popped up right there right now is yeah, we
Speaker 1: ended up I think losing this game. We would have
Speaker 1: gone to the National Championship.
Speaker 5: But that quarterbacks in real estate, he reached out all
Speaker 5: the time. I think his murdering. So his name is
Speaker 5: Patrick Cowan. I think he's done well in real estate,
Speaker 5: so well reach out and it's like, man, how's your head?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Sage Killer? Is that that running back? Three bar face
Speaker 2: mass too?
Speaker 4: That Robal? Is that true hate Week?
Speaker 1: Honestly, they haven't been that unlike Michigan Ohio State. You guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you like have had so much sustained
Speaker 1: success that U c l A has kind of. At
Speaker 1: least when I was there, they had fallen off completely.
Speaker 1: They weren't even a top twenty five I think my
Speaker 1: first year two thousand and four, they were like a
Speaker 1: like a teen's team, maybe top ten but I think
Speaker 1: we beat on like seventy to something that was like
Speaker 1: Reggie Bushes I had secured his heisman, but it was
Speaker 1: it was fun, but it always felt like the second
Speaker 1: tier of of like a bath went to U c.
Speaker 9: L A.
Speaker 1: Now that's obviously changed because they're both kind of right
Speaker 1: at least at this point that mediocrity, but at the time,
Speaker 1: like it was more Notre Dame, and to be honest,
Speaker 1: was so good. At the time, it was whatever the
Speaker 1: best team wants national team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the best team was like we can't
Speaker 4: wait Sahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brutal before instant replayed Vince Young.
Speaker 1: You you you were in I was. I was in
Speaker 1: the Vince Young one.
Speaker 2: You were in the Vince Young one? Oh yeah, because
Speaker 2: that was that was like it.
Speaker 1: Was five seasons. Yeah, it's just it's tough. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like, yeah, it wasn't that difficult for maybe
Speaker 1: because I was just on like two special teams. Just
Speaker 1: to I may be completely candid, it sucked. But the
Speaker 1: next year we played Michigan. Michigan was I just go aheading.
Speaker 1: The story Michigan was was rolled like they had a
Speaker 1: man blanket on the left long heart Manningham Henny, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh beat them up pretty good. And then the
Speaker 1: next year we're up pretty good. Illinois, we got after them.
Speaker 1: And then last year was Joe Paterno's Penn Stay we
Speaker 1: played in.
Speaker 2: For Illinois was at the Rose. You guys crushed a
Speaker 2: big game on that one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a period. Yeah, there's a period there
Speaker 5: against the Big ten and the sec where and in
Speaker 5: fact checked me, I don't think we lost for like
Speaker 5: six seven years, you know, outside of Texas and the
Speaker 5: Big twelve. Like I know, my senior year we went.
Speaker 1: Down to Auburn and rolled in the Habraska.
Speaker 5: To Auburn had Cadillac Williams.
Speaker 1: N uh.
Speaker 2: My official visit to Nebraska is when you guys, you
Speaker 2: guys came to Nebraska, it's like forty eight to I
Speaker 2: remember seeing.
Speaker 1: It was that two eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: started that game. I broke my thumb and had to
Speaker 1: come out. Dude.
Speaker 2: It was down there, Nebraska. Yeah, they killed us. Obviously
Speaker 2: we had thirty one, but forty twenty one of them
Speaker 2: were in the fourth quarter, so that the guys, like
Speaker 2: I remember seeing Taylor Mays pre game, Taylor Mays just
Speaker 2: staying in.
Speaker 5: Taylor game, just a SC won half their games before
Speaker 5: the games just because of Taylor.
Speaker 1: Is like what Ron ron Zuck was the head coach
Speaker 1: of Illinois at the time. He was our special teams
Speaker 1: coach for a few years in Green Bays. And we
Speaker 1: when we when we took the field and you guys
Speaker 1: are out there, it was over.
Speaker 2: It was over.
Speaker 1: It was over. Like we we were just in awe,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was it.
Speaker 4: God, the unis like dude, I can't imagine walking off
Speaker 4: the bus and just feeling like that, like we just
Speaker 4: look better, we are better. We're going to destroy everything.
Speaker 7: But that was that was that.
Speaker 5: That was that swag at s C for a period
Speaker 5: of seven eight years and like respectfully, like it's been
Speaker 5: such a long time, Like I'm just like I'm tired
Speaker 5: of talking, like, hey, when we did this.
Speaker 4: Because because well, what's what's missing now at SC? Do
Speaker 4: you think, Carol?
Speaker 5: I think no, all right, I'm going to answer this question.
Speaker 5: So in my opinion, and I'm not the most educated.
Speaker 5: I you know, I'm connected to the program. I try
Speaker 5: and help them in terms of given athletes advice post
Speaker 5: playing days and you know, how to make sure you
Speaker 5: set yourself up, not just financially and hire good financial advisor,
Speaker 5: but actually, you know, be articulate and ideally fluent in
Speaker 5: the financial language. You know, it's not just about hiring
Speaker 5: good people to manag your money, it's being able to
Speaker 5: manage those managers. I think the game of college football,
Speaker 5: the dynamic, especially with NIL, has changed so fast, and
Speaker 5: there's some programs like Oregon or Ohio State. Again I'm
Speaker 5: not I think Michigan. Is Michigan a great NIL like
Speaker 5: because because I understand Michigan, like they really did a
Speaker 5: great job with Harbaugh developing three four five year guys.
Speaker 5: Now they're NIL.
Speaker 4: I think it's like like this year and last year,
Speaker 4: like the first like two years were really feeling like real,
Speaker 4: real money going into Okay.
Speaker 5: But you guys didn't win the Natty. Last year. I
Speaker 5: felt like it was mostly homegrown players. But the game
Speaker 5: has shifted so much, and I think there are programs
Speaker 5: that have really like stayed ahead of that, and I
Speaker 5: don't think SE is that And I blame if I'm
Speaker 5: gonna blame it, I blame the culture of the school
Speaker 5: because there's still PTSD from the sanctions, and I think
Speaker 5: they're very like it's scared of your own shadow. They
Speaker 5: don't want to do anything without the NCAA saying you
Speaker 5: can do this, which is like formal opinion letter submit
Speaker 5: can we do this? While other schools it's not that
Speaker 5: they're breaking the rules and maybe not even playing by
Speaker 5: the rules. There are no rules right now, and so
Speaker 5: there's other schools like we're just gonna do this and
Speaker 5: like it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.
Speaker 5: Sc UP until recently has been like no, we need
Speaker 5: to make sure we ask for permission, so we're always
Speaker 5: a year or two behind. My hope is that the
Speaker 5: administration is being more aggressive with NIL and all that.
Speaker 5: I don't I can't say state put that as a
Speaker 5: statement of fact. That's just like from what I can tell,
Speaker 5: like quasi connected to the program?
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Ye, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: We have my opinion now. I just I think, like
Speaker 1: I mean strictly from a football standpoint, like x'es and o's.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a mentality thing. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: there's some there was weaknesses in the O line and
Speaker 1: D line last year. When you've seen you know, Miller
Speaker 1: Moss getting sacked so much. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: the problem. They ended up benching him like three quarters
Speaker 1: of the way through the season. But I think they
Speaker 1: need some more athletes. But you know, these guys are great.
Speaker 1: You know that they've been bringing in and you know
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and offensively what Caleb Williams was able to
Speaker 1: do the last I guess the previous two years.
Speaker 5: They got a really good decordinator.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, it's truly remarkable your top three, but you
Speaker 1: know that year where they lost to it was a
Speaker 1: Utah when they should have gone to the playoffs at
Speaker 1: that time. I don't know if it's just like a
Speaker 1: because Pete had that that culture, you know, that that
Speaker 1: hard ass culture, And I don't know if it's just
Speaker 1: all x's and o's and putting up fifty every game
Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, do you want a defensive
Speaker 1: minded head coach or do you want offensive mind a
Speaker 1: head coach?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think you guys are closer because even though
Speaker 2: you guys lost what five games this year, they weren't
Speaker 2: you guys were like one score games most of the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 5: I think they're close. Like again, Dan tunneln is the
Speaker 5: decoordinator came from the Ravens. Like if you just look
Speaker 5: at the statistical improvement, and respectfully, like me, Clay, my dad,
Speaker 5: we're on a text chain like sometimes when ST's playing, like.
Speaker 4: We'll be like this defense.
Speaker 5: But this was the first year where like the text
Speaker 5: messages weren't about the defense, right, So I think the
Speaker 5: defense is getting better. To Clay's point, they really need bodies,
Speaker 5: They need the big guys. They always have athletes. Look
Speaker 5: at the receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like you know, that's why whenever they play like an
Speaker 1: SEC team or Big ten, they always get bullied to
Speaker 1: look at in the trenches, you know, but they'll put
Speaker 1: up like I said, thirty five, forty two point whatever
Speaker 1: it is. But it's just that you know, they'll they'll
Speaker 1: those those teams will run it down.
Speaker 5: And if you look at the old SC teams, like
Speaker 5: back when Clay and I played, that were that were
Speaker 5: winning every game. The Reggie's, the lineups, all those guys
Speaker 5: got the hype. But actually if you look at the
Speaker 5: guys they put in the league, it was O lineman,
Speaker 5: D linman linebackers, right, And so I think I'm very
Speaker 5: optimistic about Lincoln. I think he gets he knows what
Speaker 5: he has to do. There is a reality in college ball,
Speaker 5: like you can know what you have to do. You
Speaker 5: could say, hey, I'm going to go out and do it.
Speaker 5: But nowadays it's it's money, right, And if you don't
Speaker 5: have an nil war chest, like you're just not going
Speaker 5: to be competitive. Like kids don't. Most kids don't sign
Speaker 5: up for the uniform anymore.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: It's like, even if they grew up an SC fan,
Speaker 5: if they have a big freshman year, they're going to
Speaker 5: get a phone call from Ohio State saying hey, or
Speaker 5: Georgia saying like, hey, why don't you come here and
Speaker 5: I'll pay you a million bucks a year. They're not like, sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm an SC guy. They're like, they go to SC,
Speaker 5: how much you're gonna pay? I think I think nil?
Speaker 5: Well nil. Wise they've figured it out. But like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, Yeah, college football is better when when SC
Speaker 5: the Notre Dames, the Michigan's Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Nebraska is in the top twenty two.
Speaker 5: Nebraska speaking in that top twenty five NCAA football is
Speaker 5: better when Nebraska's you know, nine to four, not six
Speaker 5: and six.
Speaker 4: Well, every year they've gotten one one game better.
Speaker 2: You guys only beat it because of a passer in
Speaker 2: appearance call at the end.
Speaker 1: I don't think I watched that. That was a twelve
Speaker 1: o'clock game.
Speaker 2: You're only probably feel for the propriety. I'm screaming at
Speaker 2: the TV over BI calls. You guys keep up with.
Speaker 4: College or NFL more like, as far as just enjoying it.
Speaker 2: For me, NFL, yeah, yeah, you're not a big sc guy.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm a huge SEE guy. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like it's it's hard to you know, with
Speaker 1: the success I guess the lack of success or what
Speaker 1: we're accustomed to see in But no, I sit down.
Speaker 1: My wife knows like Sundays are are my day. Like
Speaker 1: I worked to about twelve o'clock and around the house
Speaker 1: cleaning up, you know, making banana red, and then I'm
Speaker 1: then I sit down clock. Yes, sure, and but no,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy the NFL as far as watching it,
Speaker 1: and because I felt like I don't know how it
Speaker 1: is for you at Lineman you as well, Like I
Speaker 1: felt like my mind at the end of my career
Speaker 1: was just so tuned in and natural. They always tell
Speaker 1: you this, like I was just and I was like,
Speaker 1: when I went to the Rams, Chris Shulo, who's now
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, he was my linebackers coach, but we
Speaker 1: might as well have been the same as far as uh,
Speaker 1: you know, on the same page and being peers and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And so I just felt like the way I was
Speaker 1: able to give back teach these guys who were playing
Speaker 1: behind me at the time, like my mind was just
Speaker 1: so far advanced. And of course that's the time I'm
Speaker 1: pulling the plug on you. Now, all I gotta do
Speaker 1: is sit at the TV and be like, I guys
Speaker 1: got to do this. But I enjoy the NFL still.
Speaker 4: Dude, I hear what you're saying. With watching the games,
Speaker 4: that's kind of turns me away from the NFL a
Speaker 4: little bit more because I'll watch the games and I'll
Speaker 4: get so caught in the offensive line of what they're
Speaker 4: doing that I'm not really enjoying it as opposed to
Speaker 4: I'll watch like college football, whether it be Michigan or
Speaker 4: any other team. It's like the offices are so different
Speaker 4: and the talent levels so different, and the mistakes are
Speaker 4: so much more often, so it's kind of more fun
Speaker 4: to see these massive, explosive plays, guys being out of
Speaker 4: their gaps. It's like I enjoy that more. I enjoy
Speaker 4: watching the mistakes.
Speaker 1: I will say though, like the Who, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was like Chargers Texan. That was just to me,
Speaker 1: that was a background noise game. But like when La
Speaker 1: Mar comes on and sa Quon, I feel like I
Speaker 1: tune into the superstar like Jamar Chase Burrow, Like there's
Speaker 1: guys mahomes who I will watch the whole game start
Speaker 1: to finish, But I feel like that's just a select
Speaker 1: maybe you know, eight ten teams there.
Speaker 4: How bad did you want the Bengals to get?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, the Bengals are so yeah, they're super
Speaker 1: every year. They're dangerous. They obviously gave away too many
Speaker 1: games early on, but the way Burrow played at the
Speaker 1: end obviously, I mean he won't win MVP, but he,
Speaker 1: based on his stats very well could and Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch.
Speaker 5: I was gonna, yeah, he watches more football than I
Speaker 5: just obviously close to the game. But I was gonna
Speaker 5: say most of the most of the sports we get
Speaker 5: together and watch the UFC, Like yeah, because again with
Speaker 5: the four kids, the three kids, and then I got
Speaker 5: my work life. During the week, there's not as much time.
Speaker 5: So for me to take a Saturday Sunday and park
Speaker 5: it and say like, hey, you know it's not my job.
Speaker 5: It wasn't my career the way it is his. So
Speaker 5: I get that for him. But for me, you know,
Speaker 5: the deal I have is like, hey, you get the
Speaker 5: kids to bed on a Saturday night at a thirty,
Speaker 5: like that's when the UFC comes on. So nor I
Speaker 5: normally will get together with my brother Casey.
Speaker 1: And like we'll we'll talk about what we would have
Speaker 1: done differently, how should have defeated You know, I told
Speaker 1: Taylor when when I first saw Taylor, because I was
Speaker 1: so like I just, I guess envious of like how
Speaker 1: close you were to Dana and how you were there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, because in twenty nineteen, when I stayed
Speaker 1: in Green Bay with my contract up in the air,
Speaker 1: there was no sports on it this time, and the
Speaker 1: UFC was this only thing that came on pretty much
Speaker 1: every week. So I started tuning in and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I see a fighter. I saw a fight
Speaker 1: three months ago fighting. Oh okay, I remember that guy,
Speaker 1: and so I probably haven't missed a fight night, a
Speaker 1: pay per view, you name it, and since twenty nineteen, do.
Speaker 4: You watch this past weekend since he durn Yeah, I
Speaker 4: watched it. Yeah, dude, maybe the best slate of fights
Speaker 4: in a long time. There are like three knockouts.
Speaker 1: Well it was. I didn't watch it all. I watched it.
Speaker 2: I watched it.
Speaker 5: I usually I used it six years except wow.
Speaker 1: When I saw when I saw like, oh the main
Speaker 1: card was, I was like, all right, But then you
Speaker 1: know there was there was there were some good there
Speaker 1: were some good fights on it. But I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to this weekend coming up here.
Speaker 4: There was this one dude who was just getting pumbled
Speaker 4: on for a minute, and you thought he was about
Speaker 4: to get knocked out, and he just threw a straight
Speaker 4: right in the chain. Dude was out for like a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I saw that to the point where like everyone's like
Speaker 4: clapping here and there was like what's going on here?
Speaker 2: It was nuts.
Speaker 5: We're like that meme you sent me to mean the
Speaker 5: other day, like that fat guy on a couch with
Speaker 5: the bob, why did he shoot the single la?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense, dude.
Speaker 4: Those are just fucking like Michael Chandler, He's just what
Speaker 4: five six just built like a pit bull, and he
Speaker 4: is terrifying. We had we had a beer Olympics and
Speaker 4: me and Will are wrestling Shane and Burt and they
Speaker 4: call for Mike and Mike gets a hold of my
Speaker 4: heel and I'm like borderline drowning in the pool, Like
Speaker 4: I'm like praying to God, like please let me up,
Speaker 4: because it's about to be over for me. He's just
Speaker 4: they're just different breaths of humans.
Speaker 1: Mike's fun to watch ever since he came on the scene.
Speaker 1: I remember because just a yeah, I remember him talking.
Speaker 1: He did like a he backed up one of these fights.
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was. He was ready to go,
Speaker 1: and then he fought Dan Hooker and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's good looking, he's articulated, he's champion from whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and he came over here, had immediate success. But even
Speaker 1: in his losses, he's fun to watch.
Speaker 2: This is Mike.
Speaker 4: He gets my heel here, watched my head of the
Speaker 4: setting in. I was freaking out.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even when he loses, he seems to come out
Speaker 2: on top.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's the only guy who can cut a promo after,
Speaker 1: you know, losing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was phenomenal that fifth round.
Speaker 2: I'm like, crazy, you almost got him almost.
Speaker 5: I mean it as a compliment. He's like a WWE guy,
Speaker 5: like in terms of a hype man, and I think
Speaker 5: other wrestlers, you know, are taking because like, ultimately, what
Speaker 5: are they there for. They want to win fights, and
Speaker 5: obviously they have a passion for that.
Speaker 2: It is to make money, right, it's marketability.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he's great in the game of the story
Speaker 4: that's suddenly I think UFC does better than anybody else.
Speaker 4: Is like playing into the storylines of the beef between
Speaker 4: the two individuals. I think that is so money. We
Speaker 4: had to take on Michigan Ohouse State after Michigan planning
Speaker 4: the flag, and then the postgame press, the post game
Speaker 4: like show, they're talking about how there's no place for
Speaker 4: that in football, and it's like, don't say that, because
Speaker 4: you know next year going to the game, you're going
Speaker 4: to show that to get everybody to go watch the game,
Speaker 4: Like you want these storylines to like, you know, make
Speaker 4: everybody kind of tune in. The's a couple of guys
Speaker 4: from s C. You're like, you're not gonna be like,
Speaker 4: let me go watch Michigan, Ohiose State today you'll probably
Speaker 4: go turn on you.
Speaker 5: Ohio State wins and plants the flag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you want to see that.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking to myself, we got to get five
Speaker 4: in a row.
Speaker 5: And so now like Diamond and like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe I'm different. Like if you don't want them to
Speaker 5: plant the flag, don't lose. Yeah, Like that's how I
Speaker 5: love that.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 4: Who do you think I won the national championship?
Speaker 5: Not Ohio State, Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Ohio State's rolling around.
Speaker 5: I think it's tell you I don't like Notre Dame
Speaker 5: being an sc guy generally speaking, but like, man, I
Speaker 5: like that coach Marcus Freeman, Like he's.
Speaker 2: It seems like the Bears are gonna interview him.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, that's probably just that's probably just to create
Speaker 5: but again that that's probably to create leverage to get
Speaker 5: a better deal with Pete.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: Like if you if you like, if you're thinking like
Speaker 5: and you're like, we like Pete. He has success, he
Speaker 5: brings energy, We have a good young quarterback. You don't
Speaker 5: just interview Pete and like, again, Pete's got a great agent.
Speaker 5: You you bring in some hot candidates. You don't tell
Speaker 5: him this, but you're just creating leverage to negotiate with peace.
Speaker 2: Business and he's got it. He had to pick up
Speaker 2: books early.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: No, I remember I got to my my work. The
Speaker 5: first day I had to YouTube. This is when YouTube
Speaker 5: like how to tie a tie the night before. My
Speaker 5: dad was the best dad in the world, but he
Speaker 5: never had a traditional job. He was an NFL football
Speaker 5: player straight to being a you know, our youth football coach,
Speaker 5: and so that transition was very painful.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 5: It took it took years for me to catch up
Speaker 5: to the you know, I want to you know stereotype
Speaker 5: the frat boys, Like, who's not just in college? I
Speaker 5: never I didn't think that I should be preparing for
Speaker 5: life after football. That was something like after my last
Speaker 5: game was like a crap, Like what do I do?
Speaker 5: And on top of that, you know, they just had more.
Speaker 5: It took me a long time to catch up. That
Speaker 5: was that was pretty painful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we hit our tier talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's hit your talk here.
Speaker 2: Talk this week is gonna be best brother athletic families.
Speaker 5: Of all times.
Speaker 2: Math talk explain them how tier talk works. So tier
Speaker 2: talk is basically your top three. You'll start a tier three.
Speaker 2: You give a reason. Why are you give a little?
Speaker 2: You give a few words? Why tier two?
Speaker 1: Tier brothers?
Speaker 2: If you want to give an honorable mention, that's on
Speaker 2: the table as well.
Speaker 1: Brothers are family.
Speaker 2: Family, We'll go family.
Speaker 1: Will just pla say, I'll do brothers. You guys, brothers.
Speaker 1: I want to do brothers. So you obviously got paid
Speaker 1: payt and eli.
Speaker 2: You gotta start at three. Now you gotta start. So
Speaker 2: here's it.
Speaker 4: You gotta start three, and then you go. You can
Speaker 4: give an honorable mention if you want, you go honorable
Speaker 4: mention three two one, and then everyone's gonna be silent.
Speaker 4: After we're gonna go around the room. Everyone's gonna say
Speaker 4: one word to describe how they feel about your tier talk.
Speaker 1: So okay, so I'm going three two one three two? Okay?
Speaker 4: So we are we each giving our own opinion, collaborat No,
Speaker 4: everyone's given their own opinion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Sorry real quick time out, dude. Is
Speaker 5: there a list of like or I have to think
Speaker 5: about off the top of my own.
Speaker 1: Manning, I would go Manning's one, we can work the
Speaker 1: other way. Manning's one. I would say, the Watts two
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Any sport too.
Speaker 1: Oh now we're doing that? No, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: I can't think of many other I mean, I know
Speaker 1: the Longs had success, the Bosas are obviously Nick's playing well.
Speaker 2: Phil's families. I think Mayweather's got to be in there.
Speaker 2: But it's brothers or siblings, the Williams sisters.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait are we going l We're doing NFL? Come
Speaker 1: on you brought.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, well JP back there any sport? Who'd you
Speaker 2: just tell me?
Speaker 1: You were asking chat? GPT gave a good one?
Speaker 2: What do you give you? Kyle? All right? So a
Speaker 2: couple because I agree with you. I think one and
Speaker 2: two is Mannings and then Watts, so three trying to
Speaker 2: figure out you're one.
Speaker 5: Of the best.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we're doing a whole different way. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: we'll just do it, all right, I got it, I
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 4: Well I don't. I don't agree with your tier two.
Speaker 5: All right, here we go. You want honorable mention that
Speaker 5: the Jones family, Arthur Jones, Jones, John j Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: I guess, okay, the Jones and and number they're they're
Speaker 5: tier one in terms of who I don't want to fight, right,
Speaker 5: all right? Also honorable mention the Gronks. The gronkowskis okay,
Speaker 5: like they're they had players, But I would say tier
Speaker 5: three like beyond honor mentioned higher than I would say
Speaker 5: the Watt family JJ and T JM at their studs, right,
Speaker 5: But there's no butt to that. It's just if you
Speaker 5: want a Tier one tier two, I think you got
Speaker 5: to start talking generationally, like did their dad's play their
Speaker 5: their grandfathers, like you see what I'm saying. Like, and
Speaker 5: so tier two is the main because you had Peyton
Speaker 5: and Eli who are incredible, and Archie and then arch
Speaker 5: coming up. Tier one is I mean, it's one hundred
Speaker 5: percent of Matthews most games in NFL history across three generations,
Speaker 5: like and and what eleven different football players who who
Speaker 5: played a game in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Some one's still playing for the Jakes. Jakes had one
Speaker 1: hundred and I think he was drafted before you. Uh,
Speaker 1: yes he was.
Speaker 4: I remember the show.
Speaker 1: I remember you posted something a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you went down to Atlanta. I don't know. You posted
Speaker 1: something and then it was funny because my my cousin,
Speaker 1: Jake's brother had re posted on Instagram. I was a
Speaker 1: funny little bit, right, there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well, I mean I thought I was a Falcon,
Speaker 4: and I remember taking to Jake. We were we were
Speaker 4: like doing something during draft week, and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 4: where do you want to go? And I'm thinking, I
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm thinking. He's like with the Falcons.
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to to other Falcons too.
Speaker 4: We kind of kind of looked at each other and
Speaker 4: then we were cordial, nice. I liked a law He's awesome,
Speaker 4: great guy. But when that phone rang at six and
Speaker 4: he was two tables away from me, I was fucking sick.
Speaker 5: I got a question. Yeah, looking back at the careers,
Speaker 5: if you're at the gym, how would you draft that today?
Speaker 4: Probably take Jake before me. Still, I mean, he's had
Speaker 4: the longevity. He's eleven years in now. I think I
Speaker 4: had a higher ceiling. But you can't beat long, Like
Speaker 4: the best ability is durability.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play another He's gonna play a long Don't
Speaker 1: you want that? Like the number? I think he's he's
Speaker 1: right now, he's got the streak for longest.
Speaker 2: He's a Matthew.
Speaker 1: He isn't he hasn't missed the game of things.
Speaker 5: Which gets back to the first question.
Speaker 2: But you would take if you go back to that,
Speaker 2: it was brothers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
Speaker 2: You're the one who even said brothers too, and then
Speaker 2: your brother brings in the entire family.
Speaker 7: Sounds good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, to go back to that, because I am
Speaker 4: you guys fourteen, You take Jake second or second or
Speaker 4: third overall over the Rams, picked over Greg Robinson, and
Speaker 4: then I probably go six. Actually, probably take Zach Martin
Speaker 4: because he's in that draft class as well.
Speaker 5: He went to the Cowboys with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Fame. He probably actually goes before Jake.
Speaker 4: So be like Jake or sorry Zach, Jake than me
Speaker 4: because I'm obviously I had like a more splash and
Speaker 4: there's still more time on Jake's career to do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Bruce didn't make a Pro Bowl
Speaker 4: till his eleventh year. Bruce he made fourteen, but he
Speaker 4: like he didn't make it for the like he made
Speaker 4: the back half square. So yeah, I think, I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously you take Jake before me for sure? For sure,
Speaker 4: it makes me six. In it out loud, We'll delete that.
Speaker 4: Let that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how throws it in there. Let's think
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me ask you this question that we
Speaker 4: know it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we kind of spun this. Yeah. That family.
Speaker 2: That's a veteran tiertalk moves. Veteran tiertalk. Oh, he's good.
Speaker 2: He's read a few books. He talks about leverage and
Speaker 2: everything else. He knew how to spend the entire conversation
Speaker 2: on us.
Speaker 5: I mostly chat the books and represent that I read them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when it comes to brothers, though, it's
Speaker 2: hard to beat the Mannings of the Watts Jones for sure,
Speaker 2: like you had Chandler played a high level and then
Speaker 2: his brother John Jones in the UFC as far as
Speaker 2: the sport of football. But family lean, yeah, bris the
Speaker 2: Kelsey's l those.
Speaker 1: Guys they can be. I forgot about these.
Speaker 4: Those are both famous, they are both Hall of famers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, there's some good brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I put the I put the Kelsey's over the Watts.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, mhm, impact.
Speaker 1: That what I'm saying, like Kelsey zuh. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying both of them, like.
Speaker 4: Let me put you real quick, swifties, listen, no will
Speaker 4: be then I'm looking at for you.
Speaker 1: Remember Jason pulling from the center position on like a
Speaker 1: like a toss, you know, and I'm middle linebacker trying
Speaker 1: to get out there. That Holy this guy's running sixty
Speaker 1: yards downfield. Now, I'm saying there stes. But as far
Speaker 1: as impact every game, you know, like sack calls, fumbles
Speaker 1: which change the center can't do that, a tight.
Speaker 5: End which gets to the position you play. That's why
Speaker 5: it's quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterbacks gonna be first no matter.
Speaker 5: What offensive tackles and rush It's like quarterbacks number one.
Speaker 5: Tackles and rush players are two in terms of value
Speaker 5: to the game.
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Safety dead, last last guy.
Speaker 4: It's down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Take the mccordy brothers out then they're gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately listen.
Speaker 4: Good brothers though, Yeah, good brothers. Yeah. And they're twins
Speaker 4: to which kind of gives them an extra little bump.
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 2: Now. I think the Kelsey's edge them out as far as.
Speaker 1: All pros, Yeah, but I'm talking about the impact.
Speaker 2: Just Jason and Travis both of like seven plus JJ
Speaker 2: had five.
Speaker 1: Three time defensive player that's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are we talk peak because his peak was pretty
Speaker 5: high up? Yea peak was Yeah, I could debate right
Speaker 5: there said you didn't say football athlete. If we're talking athletes,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't put the Mannings potentially in there.
Speaker 2: WHOA, they're they're playing their football players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, what's your definition of athletes?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: This is a this is gonna go.
Speaker 2: This has been such a conversational. Who wasn't Michael Phelps
Speaker 2: is the greatest athlete of our generation. It's like, all right,
Speaker 2: is he?
Speaker 5: I don't know something. Something tells me if the guy
Speaker 5: put his mind to it, Michael Jordan would be a
Speaker 5: good swimmer too. So I feel like I'm Jay.
Speaker 2: Lebron, Lebron and Jordan. I don't need to do what
Speaker 2: Yeah Sterling and Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 1: But the recentism right now we're gonna harballs.
Speaker 2: The harballs in the coaching realm was who is.
Speaker 4: Your biggest like rival in your mind from the defensive
Speaker 4: side of the ball, Like when you're rushing the edge,
Speaker 4: like you look at other guys and be like, I
Speaker 4: gotta fucking outdo this.
Speaker 1: Guy you're talking about, Like on the defense, like the
Speaker 1: defensive side where.
Speaker 4: You would watch other people's film and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm I believe I'm the top edge rusher in the
Speaker 4: entire NFL. But some people might say this guy is Russian.
Speaker 1: Was man. It's like the All Pro Team shifted and
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl shifted, Pro Bow states same, but All Pro
Speaker 1: team shifted every year. You had justin Houston have twenty
Speaker 1: two sacks, you'd have Jared Allen you have twenty sacks.
Speaker 1: You'd have DeMarcus Ware with twenty. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's a Von Miller eighteen. And so it was really
Speaker 1: difficult to be one of those first team All pros.
Speaker 1: But honestly, to answer that question, I watched their game
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, what can I take from them?
Speaker 1: And you just hoped that in bettering your game you
Speaker 1: would because it was all based on sacks. You know,
Speaker 1: if you could have right around fifteen sacks, you probably
Speaker 1: be a first you know, first team All Pro.
Speaker 4: But who is the guy that you were like, did
Speaker 4: you ever have a guy that you had like in
Speaker 4: your mind? Nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I just it was all about sacks. Yeah, and I realized,
Speaker 1: like it's ridiculous, you know, because I could hit a
Speaker 1: quarterback and and not get a sack all game. But
Speaker 1: the media, everybody wants to know your sacks. You get
Speaker 1: above ten sacks, you make a Pro Bowl, you get
Speaker 1: you know, you're the highest paid athletes. So for me,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to just embrace that it was
Speaker 1: all about sacks, you know. And to your point, when
Speaker 1: I had like forty fifty sixty tackles, like I'd get
Speaker 1: three tackles a game, you would hope that two would
Speaker 1: be TfL's wont be a sack, right, and you're all
Speaker 1: Pro at the end of the year. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: you got to shut down guys like us for sixty plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's brutal bone, I get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite defensive player you ever played with?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pepper's Peppers Julius. Julius was a man.
Speaker 2: Is he the best you ever played with? Too?
Speaker 1: The best in what regard?
Speaker 2: Just the best, like in your brain looking back, like
Speaker 2: that's the best defensive player I ever played with.
Speaker 1: Well, I also played with Charles Woodson too. Charles was
Speaker 1: probably a greater playmaker, but Julius athletically physically could take
Speaker 1: over a game at his position because he's what we
Speaker 1: talked about pastors or he disrupts the quarterback every play.
Speaker 2: How about AJ Hawk?
Speaker 1: Just them? I remember when I first met AJ. I
Speaker 1: remember when I first met agent. I was doing like
Speaker 1: you know, I got draft and they brought us in
Speaker 1: and I saw him walking down the hallway. I always
Speaker 1: let his hair down too, and I walked up to
Speaker 1: him like such a nervese, like a J Hawk. Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews like shook his hand and knowing AJ now.
Speaker 5: Like hey, you're like, I'm like both long hair, like
Speaker 5: I think we're supposed to be friends exactly the best.
Speaker 1: Once, did you guys see the game where he gave
Speaker 1: double birds to his position coach, Winston mass So.
Speaker 5: He thought he was being cut or he thought he
Speaker 5: wasn't being re signed, right, No, no, no, he had
Speaker 5: a great year.
Speaker 1: Well I I yeah, I'm not sure what happened, but
Speaker 1: he gave he gave double middle fingers to his coach
Speaker 1: and then he got like a sack on like a blitz.
Speaker 1: And then like this is when I was still involved
Speaker 1: with Twitter and social media, and everyone's like, that's so disgraceful. Matthews,
Speaker 1: you should be fine people coming down on AJ. You
Speaker 1: got the sack, wasn't me? He is a man, though, I.
Speaker 2: See Clay just tweet Hey that wasn't me, that was
Speaker 2: a j Hawk tags him.
Speaker 1: Now, I just I just filmed another commercial, that's all. Hey,
Speaker 1: you go right there? Okay? It was a single single.
Speaker 4: Bird, single bird, God something about the middle finger dudeeah,
Speaker 4: I think so hard.
Speaker 5: I think he was upset because they were taking him
Speaker 5: off a third downs. It was his contract year and
Speaker 5: we were hanging in his house and he had made
Speaker 5: a comment like, yeah, I don't think they're gonna bring
Speaker 5: me back, and so he's like fucking them out. Well,
Speaker 5: guess what he had. He had a great year and
Speaker 5: they signed him to like another three year deal.
Speaker 2: That makes it even better.
Speaker 4: So where do you finish on tier talk?
Speaker 2: I think this could be one where we throw we
Speaker 2: clip out all the brother names that we said, We
Speaker 2: let the we let the fans aside, We let the
Speaker 2: crowd decide. Get everybody else in the picture. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can roll with his for the clip because I
Speaker 2: thought he had a good one. I thought he had
Speaker 2: a good one.
Speaker 4: We can do uh.
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, he was obviously all this highlights on
Speaker 1: his hits. You can see, man, we had this and
Speaker 1: we had this linebacker on our teams, a five star recruit.
Speaker 1: I think he came in the same year as Ray
Speaker 1: or after. His name was Luther Brown. Luth is awesome,
Speaker 1: and but Ray was on the team at the time,
Speaker 1: and something something popped off somewhere. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: privy to it. I was at home doing my homework.
Speaker 1: And uh so the next day at practice or meetings,
Speaker 1: this guy shows up, you know, Luther, and he's got
Speaker 1: glasses on in meetings and and Luther's jacked I'm talking.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who cut the frill on the bottom
Speaker 1: of his shirt. Abs always hang out like someone you
Speaker 1: would mess with. I think Pete might have made him
Speaker 1: take his last suffer. He had to just swollen eye
Speaker 1: like all black and blue. Like what happened Ray, Ray happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but he might have mixed
Speaker 1: you know, something in there. But something happened and Luther
Speaker 1: got popped.
Speaker 4: And but locker room, no, I.
Speaker 1: This was outside of the locker room. This wasn't at
Speaker 1: the locker room at the time. It just it just.
Speaker 2: I never you never did anything.
Speaker 1: He just didn't ask a questions, just carried on.
Speaker 4: Was y was pe reacts when he saw the glasses
Speaker 4: come off.
Speaker 2: I mean it was as usual.
Speaker 4: Corner getting jacked up.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think they just let him fill and p He
Speaker 5: probably said, hey, you got a bob and weave?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Yeah, he took everything to stride. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was just like where it's your own teammate,
Speaker 1: your own linebacker, You're like, all right, man, this guy's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's crazy, and where nobody just says anything to him
Speaker 2: because you know how crazy he is. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a Nebraskan Dominicancu. We had a practice Saturday morning and
Speaker 2: he knocks out an old lineman because I guess he
Speaker 2: was holding, and Dominicin just palm to the back of
Speaker 2: the head drops him right there in front of everybody.
Speaker 2: Nobody says a word to Sue. We just like move
Speaker 2: it up ten yards and continue. It was a scrimmage.
Speaker 4: No, she just moved up to while ambulance is coming
Speaker 4: on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like sit in the back. Holy shit, gonna
Speaker 2: say a new guys in the back.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah wild.
Speaker 2: Did that linebacker stay at USC?
Speaker 1: Yeah he was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he says, I know there was a guy
Speaker 2: coming out named Arthur Brown. I didn't know if he
Speaker 2: was he stopped now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Luther, Luther Brown was still on special teams
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I think he played a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when you nobody messed with lutheror nobody messed with Ray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody mess with Ray.
Speaker 4: I do I have like a sideways question. It's not
Speaker 4: necessarily towards the question, but like seeing Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 4: obviously twenty twenty happens, he's on his eyewashing, Like, was
Speaker 4: he the same guy at the packers as you see
Speaker 4: him as now? Was he always like this level of
Speaker 4: like trying to be enlightened, trying to have more in
Speaker 4: depth conversations in depth.
Speaker 1: Thought, Uh, not as much as the time. I think
Speaker 1: he probably has embraced that more now than ever, probably
Speaker 1: around the COVID when it seemed like everybody was coming
Speaker 1: down on him. But he's always been, you know, a
Speaker 1: free spirit, free thinker, never went along with the norm.
Speaker 1: It's just that because he was the you know, the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, you got to be the Drew Brees, the
Speaker 1: you know, the the Peyton mannings like the raw raw guy.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously Aaron kind of marches to the
Speaker 1: beat of his own drum. I've always said he's like
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. There's you know, whomever is the opposite of Kobe.
Speaker 1: Kobe was kind of like he was just a killer.
Speaker 1: But he's not going to help anybody who doesn't seek help.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to be that raw, raw guy.
Speaker 1: And so I've always equated that to him. He's like Kobe, like,
Speaker 1: if you you know, come to me if you want hell.
Speaker 1: That's why Davante Jordi, the James Jones, these guys, he's
Speaker 1: receivers who had so much success. It's because they bought in.
Speaker 1: They got close to him, and they were on the
Speaker 1: same page. So, man, I got nothing but love for
Speaker 1: Aaron and and you know, hopefully it's I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's coming back next year or what that out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would. I'd like to see him come back, just
Speaker 1: to end on a high note, just because twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love to see him. Yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 2: see him get a little bit of the revenge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come the Titans, Aaron, come here on the Titans
Speaker 4: for a little bit. Did you uh, you guys always
Speaker 4: get along? Did you guys ever butt heads at all?
Speaker 4: If it's a ship talking at all? Third down period?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we did all that, but now we
Speaker 1: never we never butted heads. Beating in that basketball oh man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of that, that that Florida that Florida Pro Bowl back. Now,
Speaker 1: we played a three on three. It was it was Kyle,
Speaker 1: my younger brother, Casey, and me Versu Aaron, I think
Speaker 1: one of his brothers and one of his buddies at
Speaker 1: the time, three on three at the down in Miami,
Speaker 1: Miami wherever it was. I got real physical, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got real I fact, yeah, it got real physical, and
Speaker 1: we ended up winning.
Speaker 5: Well said a pick on one of his buddy. So
Speaker 5: it's kind of like a Matthew's brothers versus Rogers bros.
Speaker 5: Now the youngest is of Jordan. He wasn't there but
Speaker 5: Luke Aaron, and then they had a buddy who was
Speaker 5: filling in for Jordan's you you knocked him.
Speaker 2: It was screening.
Speaker 5: He was like like eyes like like you know that
Speaker 5: grunt sound. He finished the game. But it was a
Speaker 5: competitive game obviously, Like even though he's a quarterback, Aaron's
Speaker 5: a freakish athlete, you know, like you I guess, especially
Speaker 5: earlier on in his career, ran lot more. But he's
Speaker 5: a great athlete. His brother's great athlete. Obviously, we were
Speaker 5: we were doing okay, and it was like to eleven,
Speaker 5: but then like we got to eleven, but you have
Speaker 5: to win by two and then they got to twelve
Speaker 5: and it was it was heated and and finally, you know,
Speaker 5: we put him away with a little jump hook in
Speaker 5: the paint. And Aaron, uh, he doesn't take losses very well,
Speaker 5: it turns out. So he got grabbed the ball and
Speaker 5: like he kicked the ball, is still sailing and walks
Speaker 5: off and like, I don't think he's ever talked to.
Speaker 4: Me since.
Speaker 1: You saw him in New York on the streets. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's the competitor he is though. I mean, like
Speaker 1: that was a funny, fun anecdotal.
Speaker 5: So for me, I didn't have that career. So like
Speaker 5: beating Aaron in a game, like, I'm gonna remember that.
Speaker 5: It's cool. Like I don't go around telling people the story.
Speaker 5: But like you asked, but Aaron, like he's got a
Speaker 5: million bigger moments in his head he should be thinking about,
Speaker 5: like when he won the MVP of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: But I know he knows that, and I know he
Speaker 5: holds onto it.
Speaker 4: He'll have that forever, He'll always have his number. And
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, you guys were butt heads or
Speaker 4: anything like that? You did whisper that was that pickups
Speaker 4: part of.
Speaker 5: It is like when I see her and like it's cool.
Speaker 5: So like if I if we say this story, he's
Speaker 5: be like, hey man, I remember that time he went
Speaker 5: on busting and you talked ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he'll have it holstered.
Speaker 4: Literally if he ever sees this clip, we'll have a
Speaker 4: basketball in him at all times. Yeah, he'll.
Speaker 5: He's gonna hold against for sure.
Speaker 4: But like you got, you probably got the Achilles, like
Speaker 4: you get less mobile, you'll probably be able to handle
Speaker 4: them respectfully.
Speaker 5: I had him back then too. Now he's really.
Speaker 2: Where he's there. I love your dog. We have a
Speaker 2: harder twisted question for you have a business opportunity to
Speaker 2: buy and build a dream stadium for a destination Bowl
Speaker 2: game outside of the US. Where are you building and why?
Speaker 1: Which on college?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well all right, so I got unpacked only one so
Speaker 5: I'm building. And then if I'm building a bowl games.
Speaker 1: You too, assholds, I'll get you best friends over there.
Speaker 1: You ask, like a destination Bowl game? Who wrote this question?
Speaker 9: First off, there's the Bahamas Balls, the Bahamas Bowl, there's
Speaker 9: the Pinstripe Bowl. Then just say yeah, yeah, you caught
Speaker 9: himself though, he's like god damn, it's.
Speaker 4: Already ascility right now.
Speaker 2: It's there for Kyle talking circles around us and we're
Speaker 2: talking college football.
Speaker 1: This is such a lame question, That's what I'm not
Speaker 1: going It's a lame question.
Speaker 5: Well, I I yeah, the same question. I saw the
Speaker 5: same question. I was like, well I don't really understand,
Speaker 5: all right, So I'll show you how I approached the question.
Speaker 5: So I go, Okay, a bowl game. But I'm building
Speaker 5: a stadium for a bowl game, So what's the motivation
Speaker 5: of building a probably to turn a profit? So now
Speaker 5: I have to think about, like, okay, what city has
Speaker 5: a built in fan base that likes football outside the country?
Speaker 5: So I got to do my due diligence. The NFL
Speaker 5: has probably already done it, and they tend to pick
Speaker 5: London in Mexico City. So now I'm already narrowing on
Speaker 5: those two. Is it going to be London? Is it
Speaker 5: going to be Mexico City? Those are two of the
Speaker 5: biggest m s as on the planet. They already have
Speaker 5: some built in fan base because the NFL has been
Speaker 5: laying the groundwork. And then I would have to look
Speaker 5: at the economics, like am I going to own this stadium?
Speaker 5: What can I lease it in addition to the Bowl game,
Speaker 5: can I lease it out to others?
Speaker 4: And so hell ya?
Speaker 5: And then so then I'm gonna get to safety and
Speaker 5: security because people won't travel unless they feel safe. Right,
Speaker 5: So I'm probably not being an expert because I've been
Speaker 5: to both those cities. I'm probably gonna go London.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like I like the answer. I think you
Speaker 4: missed a key spot though, Cobo saying Lucas. It's a
Speaker 4: genius destination spot not very far away. Everyone wants to
Speaker 4: vacation there. You're thinking about Bowl games, You're gonna get teams.
Speaker 4: Fans of those teams are going to want to travel
Speaker 4: with the bull games. Where you want to go? Beach location,
Speaker 4: want to do a little marlin fish and they will
Speaker 4: catch the boys. Put a couple points on the board.
Speaker 4: That's where That's where you want to go. Right there,
Speaker 4: head over to mango deck, see a what T shirt contests,
Speaker 4: push up competition, have a little fun, then being bamboom.
Speaker 4: You had a great time. I agree.
Speaker 5: I think I touched on that though. If it was
Speaker 5: just a Bowl game, fine, But the economics of building
Speaker 5: a stadium is so expensive that you actually have to
Speaker 5: lease the stadium out all year round. This is why
Speaker 5: the Titans are getting rid of the outdoor stadium and
Speaker 5: putting an indoor because just leasing it in the summer
Speaker 5: to Taylor Swift and the Titans, it doesn't make money.
Speaker 2: So how am I?
Speaker 5: How am I going to have an event in Cabo
Speaker 5: like four out of seven days a week the way
Speaker 5: I could in a city the population of London or
Speaker 5: Mexico City, London being fifteen million, Mexico City.
Speaker 2: So me and Claire soon, Oh yeah, Hurricane boom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, London definitely is the move, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to change my answer.
Speaker 2: Doctor, Shall we.
Speaker 4: The beginning?
Speaker 7: What else? How are you guys as a little league
Speaker 7: youth coaches competitive?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm coaching now. I coached the eighth grade
Speaker 5: team on the street football, and I would say our
Speaker 5: kids are very disciplined, and they're running schemes that are
Speaker 5: that are probably more advanced than most most eighth grade kids.
Speaker 1: Clay, you're a little younger, Yeah, our five years old?
Speaker 2: Is he watching him? As a head coaches? He get
Speaker 2: after the parents as he get.
Speaker 5: After Let me all right, so my kids are old? No,
Speaker 5: got I got to serve it up because my kids
Speaker 5: are older and I. It runs in the family. There's
Speaker 5: a there's a there's a hot bloodedness. I would argue,
Speaker 5: we're not on the field, we're very quiet, very stoic,
Speaker 5: pretty reserved, like borderline social anxiety disorder, and so, but
Speaker 5: when you get on the field, it changes. And so
Speaker 5: as a coach, he's come to some of my kids
Speaker 5: games to support as a good uncle and and my
Speaker 5: brother Casey as well. And I get I get hot,
Speaker 5: I work, I work the refs right and occasionally threatened
Speaker 5: the other coaches with violence, and so there's been a
Speaker 5: lot of judgment from him to me over the years,
Speaker 5: like dude, you're embarrassing, Like.
Speaker 1: I can't get really embarrassing. I sat by him one
Speaker 1: time and I had to back up in the stands
Speaker 1: because I was embarrassed I was doing the ref The
Speaker 1: ref threatened to throw him out of a third or
Speaker 1: fourth grade girls basketball and I was like, it's like
Speaker 1: twelve to ten, one more outburst from you. I had
Speaker 1: to leave. I had to.
Speaker 5: Go hard to go home. So anyway, a lot of
Speaker 5: judgment to where I'm like, you know what, I really
Speaker 5: got to look at myself, like I got to get better,
Speaker 5: I got to be a better person, like I have
Speaker 5: to not you know, get that fired up. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, he's right, Like I got I got to
Speaker 5: grow up. And then this guy I go to his kid, Colton,
Speaker 5: who's probably four at the time, his first game. I'm
Speaker 5: there to support and like, as soon as the game
Speaker 5: pops off, I see Clay start chirping at the other
Speaker 5: coaches start getting real like aggravated jerky motion and like
Speaker 5: kind of chippy, and I'm like, Okay, I feel better
Speaker 5: about myself.
Speaker 2: Did that not happen?
Speaker 1: That didn't Now. I was very cool about it, but
Speaker 1: I did throw some sarcasm in some remarks, some passive
Speaker 1: remarks because he had a kindergarten team. We're playing with
Speaker 1: a pre k and he's blitzing every play like that,
Speaker 1: have some sportsmanship. I know your team's better, you're going
Speaker 1: to win, but have some sportsmanship. I'm about sportsmanship and
Speaker 1: I didn't get that way. Yeah, so what do we
Speaker 1: do the next year? We just ran the table and
Speaker 1: one of the you know, the kindergarten championship.
Speaker 4: So this is just lessons.
Speaker 5: What was more satisfying the kindergarten championship of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, No, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know how how old you guys kids are.
Speaker 1: But I finally felt that feeling that I was missing
Speaker 1: from the football field when I got to coach my
Speaker 1: kids again, kind of living through them. They talk about
Speaker 1: that because we won our first game like thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty one, and I just my stomach like I was,
Speaker 1: I was just in k nots like I was, like
Speaker 1: I was with the I was with him. He's five
Speaker 1: years old, right, it shouldn't matter, but it does. I'm
Speaker 1: a competitive But the Super Bowl was cool too. That
Speaker 1: was actually a blur. That was my second year. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't Maximi, I didn't Kapali. I was like
Speaker 1: off the field, like, no picture, We're gonna win like five,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, fifteen and one. We got the lose to
Speaker 1: the Giants. Next year Kaepernick runs. It was just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, a super Bowl thing's hard to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Joe Tyreek Hill he said he didn't make the
Speaker 4: playoffs for the first time in his career. He's got
Speaker 4: a he's got to go a different team now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: That Jake was playing for the Falcons. They were at
Speaker 5: what twenty eight three in the fourth quarter to the
Speaker 5: Patriots and they had that collapse. It was heartbreaking, and
Speaker 5: I was talking to Clay and you know, we're chatting
Speaker 5: it and I was like, hey, you talk to Jake
Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah. You was like, I'm gonna give
Speaker 5: him some time. This was a couple of days after.
Speaker 5: I was like, what do you say. He's like, you know,
Speaker 5: he handled pretty well. He's like, you know, hey, it's
Speaker 5: tough loss. It breaks your eye, but like, listen, we're
Speaker 5: young team, got Matt Ryan, We're gonna be back. We're
Speaker 5: gonna be out this thing. Multiple times in Clay's like, no,
Speaker 5: we ain't. No. It spoke to just how hard it
Speaker 5: is to get back, even if you have the same
Speaker 5: exact team, and you know, which really leads into just
Speaker 5: how great the Mahomes and the Bradys are and all
Speaker 5: that two quarters.
Speaker 4: Away from go to the Super Bowl game nineteen Chiefs
Speaker 4: because we're taking it to the Chiefs taking and we
Speaker 4: beat him earlier that year too, and then Mahomes he
Speaker 4: don't have the same forty times he does like some
Speaker 4: little forty yards scamper on two minutes. We can't back,
Speaker 4: you can't what's going on? And he just scored. They
Speaker 4: end up going up at half never looked back. Brutal.
Speaker 4: I hate him.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Since we have mom, should we do our pet peeves
Speaker 2: with them?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean you guys got time, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: all time right?
Speaker 1: I mean, look at my I don't even know where
Speaker 1: my phone is.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately just like a little complaint session. We just we
Speaker 2: talk about what a pet peevevar has been of ours
Speaker 2: has been recently. One that's off the top of my
Speaker 2: head is my wife always tells me to turn off
Speaker 2: the light in the pantry, and it just it triggers
Speaker 2: me because it's like, I'm fucking I'm gonna go back
Speaker 2: in there at some point and snack on something. Why
Speaker 2: do I have to turn the pantry light off every time?
Speaker 2: Nate Bargati has an incredible bit. He's like, what are
Speaker 2: we sending a we saving a nickel for? Like, how
Speaker 2: much are we actually saving? Turn it off lights in
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 1: You have a door on your pantry, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: get one of those press button ones where you just
Speaker 1: open the door, it turns on, and close it and
Speaker 1: they'll turn it off.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, look at that?
Speaker 2: Can I just vent right now?
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's not like a woman. You're not looking for advice,
Speaker 1: You're just venting, all.
Speaker 4: Right, find a solution, will Yeah, it's a terrible pete
Speaker 4: all right, Who's gonna go next, did.
Speaker 5: You I got the opposite. I'll tell you my pet Beeve.
Speaker 5: A second is my wife will leave the lights on,
Speaker 5: so instead of complaining, I just put in neutron lights
Speaker 5: in the house and you can just swipe from an
Speaker 5: app off off. So have your wife look into that.
Speaker 5: So I'll tell you my pet Peeve. I'll tell you
Speaker 5: my pet beeve is is political text messages, You guys
Speaker 5: get moved lots. So all right, So I got put
Speaker 5: on the Republicans, the Democrats, the Radical Bernies, like I'm
Speaker 5: getting fifteen to twenty text messages a day from every
Speaker 5: political party. I got put on some lists and I
Speaker 5: can't unsubscribe. It says like, first of all, it says
Speaker 5: put stop two end to take yourself off. Then it's
Speaker 5: like do you put your stop and then as the
Speaker 5: two in the end or do you have to spell
Speaker 5: it out? But no matter how many times I do that,
Speaker 5: I think when I actually reply like unsubscribed or stop
Speaker 5: to end, it just it just actually it just actually says, hey,
Speaker 5: this is.
Speaker 1: A real number, ladies.
Speaker 5: And I don't know whether it's AT and T or
Speaker 5: these parties. If anybody knows, could you help me out
Speaker 5: take me off these fucking lists. Man, you don't need
Speaker 5: the information, and I'm getting hit from every side.
Speaker 1: Mine's just toilet paper that's put on the roll upside down.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of that. Like political messages suck,
Speaker 1: but like I hate when have it upside down because
Speaker 1: you gotta hold it and then rip it as opposed
Speaker 1: to just one quick swipe like that. It's very it's
Speaker 1: really good, you know what.
Speaker 5: I never and now moving forward, I will notice this
Speaker 5: the rest of my life and be more aggravated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should be thank you never wanted dangling. My
Speaker 4: pet peeve is to my children who want to take
Speaker 4: every word literally. Like if I tell them, hey, please
Speaker 4: don't do this, and then they don't, they do the
Speaker 4: thing I tell them not to do, and then I
Speaker 4: explain to them conversation they have they say they don't remember.
Speaker 4: But when I say the words that I said, and
Speaker 4: I add or subtracts when word, they'll actually be like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you said this too. That pisses me the fuck off.
Speaker 1: I do not like that.
Speaker 4: So kids, you're not gonna see this clip. Tell your
Speaker 4: kids to stop doing that.
Speaker 1: That's how my kids are, guys. It's it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, it's time to go upstairs. Garry for bet,
Speaker 1: I'll be like seven fifty Like Dad, it's seven fifty eight.
Speaker 1: We don't need to go up I'm like like drags
Speaker 1: from Guardians or the Galaxy.
Speaker 5: How about nothing? How about when you know your kids
Speaker 5: remember every one time you you commit to something, but
Speaker 5: they don't. Like they're like, Dad, if I do this,
Speaker 5: I'll clean up my room, I'll do my homework. But
Speaker 5: they never remember that. But if one time you say, hey,
Speaker 5: if you do this, you can you know, play games
Speaker 5: or get a cookie, They're like, you said this, you
Speaker 5: said this. They memorize it, but they never remember what
Speaker 5: they said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like dude.
Speaker 4: My kids will be like I'll tell my daughter, hey,
Speaker 4: make sure you do this today, and then at the
Speaker 4: end they I'm like, hey, did you do this? Like no,
Speaker 4: I forgot. I was like you need to remember, and
Speaker 4: she's like tell me how I remember. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 4: Just do it, Just do it because I don't know
Speaker 4: my daughter, I ask you to do this right.
Speaker 2: My daughters too. She'll leverage the thing and then not
Speaker 2: do not follow up with the deal, Like I'll have
Speaker 2: her shake my hand. I'll be all right, this is
Speaker 2: a deal. You gotta shake my hand to shake my hand.
Speaker 2: I might give her a piece of a cookie to
Speaker 2: finish your dinner. Then she won't finish the dinner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because their emotions, it's chaos. They're emotional terrorists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta hold that cookie over their head till
Speaker 4: the dinner. What you gotta do, no question, dude.
Speaker 2: Now I said it. I'll just set it far enough
Speaker 2: away to where she can't get it. She can see
Speaker 2: it and be like, you will get this cookie, but
Speaker 2: you've got to eat five more bites.
Speaker 4: Another one. Another one, dude, is we will like every
Speaker 4: night before bet it's like, hey, five minutes before by
Speaker 4: the time I have to give them the notice that
Speaker 4: in five minutes we will be going to sleep. But
Speaker 4: once that five minutes is up, they also have like
Speaker 4: a routine of like having a nighttime snack or having
Speaker 4: this and they know when I say five minutes, you've
Speaker 4: got five minutes. However, when I get to the end
Speaker 4: of five minutes ago, okay, bedtime, then they want to
Speaker 4: put out the do nick time snack? You said we
Speaker 4: do this, You said we do that. It's like brother,
Speaker 4: you had five minutes, right, You remember when I said
Speaker 4: that we could have got that done and they don't
Speaker 4: and then I end up betting the knee.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, what are the two times of the day
Speaker 5: where kids are the most difficult. It's like waking him
Speaker 5: up and putting him to bed, Like when you work
Speaker 5: that that's what you got. Like I see him in
Speaker 5: the morning, I see him at night, and like those
Speaker 5: are the two most aggravating times a week. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: who are these kids? They're so pleasant, they're so nice,
Speaker 5: but like during the week, I'm like, God, this is frustrated.
Speaker 2: You get to bed, it's prutal.
Speaker 5: It's a war of attrition.
Speaker 2: You either take that dress off or Daddy's gonna have
Speaker 2: to take that dress off. And I promise you right
Speaker 2: now you're going to be very frustrated. I know you've
Speaker 2: learned the one frustrated. You'll be very frustrated and sad
Speaker 2: and mad if dad has got to walk over there.
Speaker 5: Let me give you some elder advice. When you get
Speaker 5: to four kids, you let them sleep in that dress.
Speaker 5: You're like, Noah, yeah, whatever you want. Yeah, Like you
Speaker 5: realize you don't have unlimited energy and there's only so
Speaker 5: many battles, and like I gotta win the toothbrush battle.
Speaker 5: You know, I got to win the homework battle.
Speaker 4: So I let them.
Speaker 5: I give them the dress battle, like, no sleep in
Speaker 5: that dress.
Speaker 2: That's a small way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel right. Sometimes it gets ticky t.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, oh we got to worry about right
Speaker 2: now is toothbrush? Get your can close off.
Speaker 1: Put them in the laundry.
Speaker 5: That's a rookie. That's rookie ball, right.
Speaker 2: No, I gotta dance. I gotta spin and she'll start
Speaker 2: singing and just spinning and like all you gotta wait
Speaker 2: till the ceremony is over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Taylor, I'll go back. One of the things in
Speaker 5: my line of work, you meet with a lot of
Speaker 5: In commercial real estate, you meet with a lot of
Speaker 5: older people, and part of their decision making as it
Speaker 5: relates to real estate is legacy, like do I want
Speaker 5: to leave these assets to my kids? Do I want
Speaker 5: to sell and do something different? And and why this
Speaker 5: is relevant to to we spoke about it early on,
Speaker 5: is is they end up like kind of reflecting on
Speaker 5: their life often is like gosh, like I you know,
Speaker 5: oftentimes real estate, I wish I bought a different building,
Speaker 5: I wish I bought more of these or whatever, and
Speaker 5: that conversation leads to I wish I did and or regrets.
Speaker 5: It's it's a weird dynamic in commercial real estate brokerage.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you I have. I've been in living
Speaker 5: rooms and office buildings and conversations with people who are
Speaker 5: nearing the end of their life, and I hundreds thousands
Speaker 5: of times I say, you know, I wish I had
Speaker 5: more kids. I've never met someone who said I wish
Speaker 5: I had less. So if you're thinking about having three,
Speaker 5: just do it.
Speaker 2: Man, did you just want aid me? You?
Speaker 5: Just you?
Speaker 4: And the podcast the way it started that was incredible.
Speaker 5: This is just my experience. Just go for it. You're
Speaker 5: never going to regret the kids you have. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: unless they're really bad.
Speaker 4: In his face because you were like, it's so well worded.
Speaker 4: You speak good, you speak real good, you speak good. Yeah, top,
Speaker 4: I'll have another kid.
Speaker 5: If you really are the attraction, you're never going to
Speaker 5: be like man, like, you're right, I wish I had less,
Speaker 5: but I am.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy before my life's at right now. I
Speaker 4: enjoy it. I don't care for diapers. I don't care
Speaker 4: about that. I enjoy the beginning part, but the process,
Speaker 4: I'm not in love with the process. I need to
Speaker 4: get back in love with the process of having a kid.
Speaker 5: Look you, your family is like a business. You gotta scale,
Speaker 5: You gotta hire more, hire, hire someone to change.
Speaker 4: I got, I got land that needs working, goats, I.
Speaker 5: Got, I got fifty acres. You got like two hundred, man,
Speaker 5: trust me, it's cool.
Speaker 4: Thirteen. Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I'm saying I get it like I I I
Speaker 5: got sick.
Speaker 4: Bro, Yeah, you gotta you got, you gotta orchard. I
Speaker 4: got a state. It sounds like that's sick. Two hundred acres, yeah,
Speaker 4: out there? And leapers, aren't you?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Bro boy?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Nice? Nice? What's with all packers guys moving to uh Nashville?
Speaker 4: What's the deal? It's coming out of territory.
Speaker 1: I just I think we were just close when we
Speaker 1: played while we had success. Now we're just just sticking together. Honest.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I love it.
Speaker 2: That is awesome.
Speaker 1: But at the end, you know, you want to wrap
Speaker 1: this up. I can see you taking those deep breaths
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 4: But like the culture, well, I'm sweating because it's hot.
Speaker 1: But but this is what was so and I guesaid,
Speaker 1: this is what was so great about our team while
Speaker 1: we had so much success, is that draft and developed
Speaker 1: guys played seven, eight, nine, ten years there. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like you were you know, some of these teams where
Speaker 1: they're bringing in free age. We hardly ever brought in
Speaker 1: free age. Maybe we did need to do that to
Speaker 1: get over the hum but ultimately we had such success
Speaker 1: because we had that core nucleus of guys and draft
Speaker 1: and development. Yeah, and I think that's why you see,
Speaker 1: you know, you got Mason Crosby and his family out here,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, Baktiari. Obviously we moved out here, got some land,
Speaker 1: but he's got he's got land all over the world,
Speaker 1: so who knows where he's gonna, you know, cultivate. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's I think we just all like being
Speaker 1: close to each other and our families are so connected.
Speaker 1: From the time we spent in Green Bay.
Speaker 4: Dude, you brought up a guy. We love him, David
Speaker 4: bat Just by the way, let's give a run a
Speaker 4: plus for Dave. Just had a new kid. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw that, Desmond. Yeah, Yeah, how's uh do what
Speaker 4: I was like the ultimate locker room guy.
Speaker 1: Dave was like from the moment he got there to
Speaker 1: where he finished, I mean, just complete one aid. He
Speaker 1: talks to Corey Linsley about this, Like, Dave when he
Speaker 1: got there, had his head down and whatnot. Then he
Speaker 1: got he got a little taste of success and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and then he just be came boch tr d boch.
Speaker 1: You know, just like just as you know sixty nine
Speaker 1: King Dinner for two. You know, like he became a character.
Speaker 1: But I love him. I just text him yesterday obviously
Speaker 1: when he had his uh, his boy and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: we stay in touch. Our parents are close with his parents,
Speaker 1: and I know his siblings and whatnot. I love him.
Speaker 1: He was a amazing player. It's such a shame that
Speaker 1: his uh time there and potentially in the league came
Speaker 1: to an end with uh good right there with his
Speaker 1: knee injury. Because I told im, I text him one
Speaker 1: year he had gotten his second or third All Pro
Speaker 1: so you're on your way to the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: and you know, but listen, that's a that's a separate
Speaker 1: conversation about you know, financial security and getting your money,
Speaker 1: and fans don't agree with that. But he's a stud
Speaker 1: loved him, still love him. But he's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Remember we had him at my house before the draft.
Speaker 5: He was coming out of Colorado and he wasn't a
Speaker 5: big it's not a recruit, a big prospect in terms
Speaker 5: of like a first round guy.
Speaker 2: We had him down.
Speaker 5: You guys came down the beach and I was just
Speaker 5: chatting with him. I was like, Hey, what are you thinking?
Speaker 5: Like how's it going. He's like, you know, I'm just
Speaker 5: really eager to get an opportunity. I hope to get
Speaker 5: drafted mid round, like you know, make a team. Improved myself,
Speaker 5: like it wasn't a first round pick where it's like
Speaker 5: if you're not going number six, you're pit you're pissed
Speaker 5: right and and an incredible career I meant, But I
Speaker 5: I got to spend more time with his brother Eric.
Speaker 5: You guys hung out with Eric. I think we've been
Speaker 5: around hung out with Eric. That's a different level of energy,
Speaker 5: like just just.
Speaker 1: Eye contact, like uninterrupted eye contact, you know. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: dad car CYR. Yeah, dude, Dave is so awesome.
Speaker 4: And Frankie too. Frankie is all time. She can she
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Speaker 4: A yah, babyfaceby what how did that come about?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 1: So Josh, Josh sitting in TJ Lang and obviously David
Speaker 1: were huge Pitch Perfect fans, and I have to admit
Speaker 1: I hadn't watched it at the time, or maybe I had.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, just just logged it away,
Speaker 1: and so they were always reaching out. They were dming
Speaker 1: the actors in it and the director and I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: their names right, still trying to dat or possibly, but
Speaker 1: so no, they I think one of them said like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you ever need you know, what do they call
Speaker 1: the background people? And so Elizabeth Banks is her name.
Speaker 1: She had reached out and said, hey, you know, my
Speaker 1: husband's a huge NFL fan. He's you know, the director
Speaker 1: of this and our co director, and we want to
Speaker 1: get you guys in. So Dave can He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she responded, bullshit, Like they're going to send over the script.
Speaker 1: So it's remember the script, thinking we might have like
Speaker 1: one or two It was like four to six pages
Speaker 1: of like lines, dances, choreography and whatnot. So I think
Speaker 1: we went down to Baton Rouge or one of these
Speaker 1: Louisiana cities and filmed it over like two or three days.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it was it was so nerve
Speaker 1: wracking just do it because it was it's so out
Speaker 1: of our element. You know, we played with a helmet
Speaker 1: on and you're one of a team, but you know,
Speaker 1: having a dance, we really had to embrace it.
Speaker 5: Did a great job. I swear, like more people know
Speaker 5: you from that than Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well nowadays it used to be football. Now there's like
Speaker 1: pitch perfect. I'll take it.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you like Clay Clay Clay had gotten big,
Speaker 5: you know, he was all especially in the NFL. But
Speaker 5: when he did, I was like, damn, that guy looks big.
Speaker 5: Like I was like, I can go and do some curls.
Speaker 5: I was like doing curlsy and and cheeseburg.
Speaker 4: When you want when you go into wardrobe, did you
Speaker 4: make the decision to figure sleeves off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was me. So they had me and it's
Speaker 1: in fact, I got a lot.
Speaker 5: Now question day.
Speaker 4: That's nuts.
Speaker 1: That's that's like June July, like like yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of push ups before absolutely. Yeah. So so I looked
Speaker 1: at the script and they had me in there, and
Speaker 1: I go, what if we what if we cut off
Speaker 1: my sleeves and like, what if we can rip them off?
Speaker 1: And I went and they were they were receptive to it.
Speaker 1: So I I haven't cut it off and they had
Speaker 1: little magnets on it and I was wearing a washer.
Speaker 1: They had me take it off and we did a
Speaker 1: couple of things, and they just they just they ripped
Speaker 1: it off, and.
Speaker 5: How many how many roles did you do before that was?
Speaker 1: This is the end of the off season, so I
Speaker 1: was peak. So I pulled my all.
Speaker 4: The July body compared to the January body. Her hands gone, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is brutal July.
Speaker 1: That's all the thirst picks for my wife were in there. Now,
Speaker 1: now I put a sleep with a shirt on.
Speaker 4: You do you want to tell me your Delanney story?
Speaker 2: Delanny Walker? Yeah, So Delaney had broke his leg. Delanney
Speaker 2: was out all year long. We're going on, you know,
Speaker 2: we're at the end of the season and it's December
Speaker 2: and Delaney's in the hot tub fixing the rehab, and
Speaker 2: we go in, you know, to warm up for practice.
Speaker 2: So I get in there and Delaney's like, damn, come
Speaker 2: you let yourself go. You stop working I was like, what, damn?
Speaker 2: Why you gotta say you got the tight you got
Speaker 2: the tight tights on, I got the muffin top.
Speaker 1: You said you.
Speaker 2: Stopped working out. I was like, all right, I guess
Speaker 2: I'll just join you guys in this hot tub and
Speaker 2: have some good advicees before I go out to practice.
Speaker 2: Just thinking that I just wanted to kill myself in
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing worse. I we brought in like a
Speaker 1: freeze halfway through the season. One time, its like forgive me.
Speaker 1: It was like a nobody you know, and he comes up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, Claire, I thought you were a lot bigger.
Speaker 1: I was like, I am, it's just like week eight
Speaker 1: and I can't work out like I was. I just
Speaker 1: like went home, like because that's the one thing if
Speaker 1: you talk to like for me, I don't know how
Speaker 1: this is with you guys, but somebody says like, man,
Speaker 1: you're looking like trim or skinny or something when they're
Speaker 1: trying to give you a compliment, that would just mess
Speaker 1: with my head. I'm like, no, I look good, Like
Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I would mess with them to people say damn cud
Speaker 2: it is holiday season.
Speaker 5: I'll mess with them in the office like if somehow
Speaker 5: we're you know, just button has to be like hey, man,
Speaker 5: you're looking good like you cutting weight, like you're looking
Speaker 5: real thin, and like, Wiries, what do you mean?
Speaker 7: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: You know? I wish I didn't wiry? Oh ship, oh ship, Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah's got it. He's prepped hearing him talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a little text.
Speaker 5: I have a Nashville business journal. And then I have
Speaker 5: another interview with a designer from New York. What's your name,
Speaker 5: Rebecca Nice?
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, this has been so much fun, really a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you get some time come to UFC fight.
Speaker 2: Let's get out there like this one UFC fight. Get
Speaker 2: the boys together.
Speaker 4: Yea, what I'm saying some fun, But you're.
Speaker 2: Saying my fault. I thought you meant like go out
Speaker 2: to Vegas, That's what I'm saying. Oh, I was thinking,
Speaker 2: like we're here in Nashville, like we just get ye
Speaker 2: lit UFC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do that as well.
Speaker 4: Able to go over to you guys as five thousand acres. Well,
Speaker 4: we'll all sit in different spots, your shirt.
Speaker 5: Shirts space, and we'll all have our own couch because
Speaker 5: this is like super close. This time we had some
Speaker 5: bigger ones.
Speaker 4: We'll figure it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fun, all right, boys, Hey, big huns,
Speaker 2: Donny kiss the subscribe, make sure you are leaving comments.
Speaker 4: See you.
Speaker 2: Hey, that was fun.
Speaker 9: That was