WEBVTT - 4. Gidget Goes to Hollywood, Pt2

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Hey, Lost Tails listeners, it's Dana. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>Plus on the Lost Hills show page in Apple Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>or at pushkin dot Fm slash Plus. The Gidget movie

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<v Speaker 1>came out in the spring of nineteen fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Gidget is the story of a young, blonde teenage Gallow

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<v Speaker 2>spends a fabulous summer at Malibu Beach with the surfboarders.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you know, Gidget was a very big best seller,

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<v Speaker 2>and they made it into a tremendous motion picture in

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<v Speaker 2>color and in Cinema Scope.

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<v Speaker 1>It starred a sixteen year old Sondra d as Gidget

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<v Speaker 1>him it's such fun living in California and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to pick fresh flowers for my hair. Sondra D was

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<v Speaker 1>tiny and blonde, the Hollywood version of the all American

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<v Speaker 1>girl in the movie. Gidget's real name was Francis Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>not Kathy Khner, and she had a bland American mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad right out of a fifty sitcom. But the

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<v Speaker 1>real Gidget had a family that was much more layered.

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<v Speaker 1>They were European and Jewish, and for what it's worth,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy had dark hair. In the early thirties, Kathy's father,

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Kohner, had been a screenwriter in Berlin. His first

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<v Speaker 1>film premier, Justice Hitler was declaring a boycott on Jewish businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Kathy.

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<v Speaker 3>They took his name off the screen credit for a

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<v Speaker 3>movie that did not show very long by Stefan Sweike,

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<v Speaker 3>The Burning Secret. And he had a pen name because

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<v Speaker 3>when he died we looked, you know, they came across

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<v Speaker 3>the name called Alex Bang. So he had a pseudonym.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that to disguise his Jewish?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Difficult period in the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Gidget's dad, Frederick, made its way to Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>continued writing movies. In nineteen thirty nine, he was nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for an Academy Award. Two years later, Kathy was born.

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<v Speaker 1>The family lived in La till the mid fifties, when

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick took a job in Berlin. When they got back,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy didn't know where she fit in.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd lived in Berlin for a year and a half

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<v Speaker 3>when I was thirteen and fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>I came home and.

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<v Speaker 3>I really you know, I'd missed out on the junior

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<v Speaker 3>high school graduation and sticking with the girls, and so

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<v Speaker 3>when I came back, I was a little bit where's

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<v Speaker 3>my place? And then the folks, you know, you got

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<v Speaker 3>to come to Malibu with us. You know you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to go to a movie theater on a Saturday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bruin Theater in Westwood Village. Yeah, you're gonna come.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was sort of like, okay, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to learn how to I'm gonna do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick saw potential in Kathy's stories of a Malibu surf

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<v Speaker 1>scene right away.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know what he was working on, but

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<v Speaker 3>he hit on when he decided, I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 3>what Kathy's telling me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to write a book. And so he wrote

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<v Speaker 4>that book in three weeks. He wrote Gidget in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy's uncle, Frederick's older brother, Paul Kohner, was a famous

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood agent, so Frederick took the manuscript to him to

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<v Speaker 1>see what he thought of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember Uncle Paul like, well, I what is this?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, maybe this would be a good story for

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<v Speaker 3>reader's ditches.

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<v Speaker 4>See.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it was so different that even though Malibu

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<v Speaker 3>was twenty minutes from the house, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>A world away.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a world apart.

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<v Speaker 1>A teenage love story set among the surfing beatnicks of

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu didn't appeal to Uncle Paul. He encouraged Frederick to

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<v Speaker 1>shop it around.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when a phone call came to my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>It was around dinnertime, and my dad got off the

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<v Speaker 3>phone and he said, this agent in at William Morris

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<v Speaker 3>just thinks he said, mister Corner, you have hit the jackpot.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, Hollywood scouts would show up in Malibu looking for

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<v Speaker 1>locations to film beach movies and actual bonafide surfers to

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<v Speaker 1>do the stunts. Mickey Dora would be right there, auditioning

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<v Speaker 1>for roles and getting paid handsomely. Friends of his told

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<v Speaker 1>me it was actually the only honest money he made

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<v Speaker 1>in his whole life, and he was still getting residual

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<v Speaker 1>checks into his old age. But he also claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>hate Hollywood and everyone who worked in the business or

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<v Speaker 1>had a connection to it. About his work on the

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<v Speaker 1>Gidget movie, he said, quote, my only regret is that

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<v Speaker 1>I did not torch Gidget's palm Loveshack with that phony

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<v Speaker 1>Fuffuni and all the rest of the cast and crew inside.

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<v Speaker 1>What a glorious emu oven it would have made. We

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<v Speaker 1>could have had a kama Aina luau with Hollywood Long

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<v Speaker 1>Pig as the main course. It's pretty gross, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you consider Kathy was from a family of Eastern European

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants who helped create the film industry in Hollywood, and

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey Dora while he was the son of an Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>European immigrant who came to Hollywood to make it. The

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<v Speaker 1>two families, the Kohners and the Doros, had both escaped

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of fascism in Europe for a better life

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<v Speaker 1>in California. They shared roots, and as I discovered, they

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<v Speaker 1>shared a specific history in Los Angeles at the Dawn

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<v Speaker 1>of Hollywood. I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode four, Gidget Goes to Hollywood, Part two. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story of Hollywood about the story of the

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<v Speaker 1>Khner family, especially Gidget's uncle Paul Koner, her father Frederick's

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<v Speaker 1>older brother. He was a producer turned agent who helped

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<v Speaker 1>define the Golden Age of Hollywood. This is Gidget's cousin,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's son He's a writer, director and producer.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Pancho Conor. I was born here in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 5>four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Koner, Poncho's father, had first come to Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties to work for Carl Lemley, the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Universal Studios.

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<v Speaker 5>My dad was the eldest of three brothers from Czechoslovakia,

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<v Speaker 5>small town in Bohemia, which was German speaking Czechoslovakia.

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<v Speaker 1>After Paul, there was Frederick Gidget's father. Their youngest brother

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<v Speaker 1>was Walter.

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<v Speaker 5>My grandfather Julius Khoner and templets. He had a cinema

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<v Speaker 5>theater and he also published monthly Film Journal magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>When Paul was eighteen, Julius asked him to do an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Carl Lemley, who was visiting.

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<v Speaker 5>The area, and Lemley took a liking to him and

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<v Speaker 5>hired him to come to America.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Coner grandfather had a nickname. That is it Kainokoner.

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<v Speaker 5>Corner Quino is a movie theater. People were nicknamed by

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<v Speaker 5>what their profession was. My father here was nicknamed Phoner

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<v Speaker 5>Coner because he was always on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>In Los Angeles, Paul met the Mexican actress Lupeita Tavar.

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<v Speaker 5>My mother was Mexican. She was born in Wahaca, in

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<v Speaker 5>the southern part of the state, outdoor plumbing dirt floores.

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<v Speaker 5>The eldest of nine children.

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<v Speaker 1>Lupita was discovered in Mexico by an American director, Robert Flaherty,

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<v Speaker 1>the inventor of the feature length documentary film. Lupita was

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<v Speaker 1>given a contract at Fox Studios in Hollywood and became

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<v Speaker 1>a silent movie star. But soon the silent era was over,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was problematic for a Spanish speaking actress, and.

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<v Speaker 5>They weren't going to renew her contract. But the people

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<v Speaker 5>at Fox sent her over to Universal where they were

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<v Speaker 5>pictures into Spanish, and that's where she met my father,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was sort of love at first sight. She

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<v Speaker 5>did three nights dubbing and didn't know what to do

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<v Speaker 5>and was going to go back to Mexico, but first

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<v Speaker 5>she wisely went back to say goodbye to that nice man,

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<v Speaker 5>Paul Corner, who said, give me twenty four hours. And

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<v Speaker 5>he went to Lemley and said, we're wasting half the

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<v Speaker 5>studio here. At six o'clock he turned off the lights

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<v Speaker 5>till six in the morning. We should bring in another crew.

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<v Speaker 5>Spanish speaking actors and shoot the same film in Spanish.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll cost peanuts because we use all the same everything,

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<v Speaker 5>And Lemley said, fantastic, do it. And my father said,

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<v Speaker 5>there's an actress here thinking of going back to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 5>and Lemley said, well, sign her two a year's contract

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<v Speaker 5>right away.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first big talkies at Universal was a

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<v Speaker 1>horror film that became iconic, I Am Not Cumor. During

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<v Speaker 1>the day they shot Bela Lugosi. At night they filmed

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<v Speaker 1>the Spanish version of Dracula, with Ponto's mother, Lupita, playing

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<v Speaker 1>the female lead. Paul supervised the film, and two.

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<v Speaker 5>Years later they got married in Czechoslovakia.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and his new bride decided to stay in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and make films. They moved to Berlin, where the political

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<v Speaker 1>situation was taking a dark turn in the early thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>When Paul and Lupita were living there, Hitler was consolidating power,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately declaring himself Furor of the German Reich in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four.

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<v Speaker 5>My mother was Catholic and my father was Jewish, but

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<v Speaker 5>he had an American passports, so he was fairly safe.

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<v Speaker 5>But they were not allowed to live together a gentile

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<v Speaker 5>and a Jew, so they had to move constantly. I

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<v Speaker 5>have a letter from authorizing the accounting department to pay

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<v Speaker 5>my father a bonus for living in Berlin in hazardous times.

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<v Speaker 5>As they said, danger pay yes. They used to travel

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<v Speaker 5>to Paris and to London for the opening of the

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<v Speaker 5>films they were making.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of their work and Paul's American passport, Paul and

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<v Speaker 1>Lupita could travel freely, so they became smugglers, helping friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family move money to the West.

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<v Speaker 5>My mother describes how she used to carry jewelry in

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<v Speaker 5>jars of cold cream or in her knitting in a

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<v Speaker 5>role of knitting. She would hide cash and valuables to

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<v Speaker 5>smuggle this stuff out for friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed to work until one day Paul and Lupita

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<v Speaker 1>were stopped at the German Czech border. They were taken

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<v Speaker 1>off the train and were about to be strip searched.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul ran back on the train and saying he had

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten his suitcase and got rid of a wad of

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<v Speaker 1>cash he was carrying, so he threw.

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<v Speaker 5>That bot of cash under an empty seat somewhere. Looked

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<v Speaker 5>like he was going to be a problem, except my

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<v Speaker 5>father loved to be photographed with personalities, with important people,

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<v Speaker 5>and in his briefcase he had a photograph of himself

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<v Speaker 5>with the Heish Marshal, the air Minister, shaking hands. And

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<v Speaker 5>when they saw that, he said, ah, why didn't you

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<v Speaker 5>tell us? And he said, we can call him at

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<v Speaker 5>his home if you'd like il vouch for me. They

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<v Speaker 5>said no, it's all right. So they let them go, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly someone had reported them for smuggling. It wasn't safe

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to Berlin. They had to escape, so.

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<v Speaker 5>Through Switzerland they went to Paris for six months. The

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<v Speaker 5>news was worse and worse from what they heard from

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<v Speaker 5>refugees in Paris, and so they finally took a book

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<v Speaker 5>and came back to America.

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<v Speaker 1>After Paul and Lupita returned to Los Angeles in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, Paul changed course and became a talent agent.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a very successful agent of what they called

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<v Speaker 5>a boutique agency. Didn't have a lot of clients. It

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<v Speaker 5>was one big family. All of these clients were over

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<v Speaker 5>at the house all the time, Sunday's dinner parties. These

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<v Speaker 5>are it was a family affair.

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<v Speaker 1>His clients were some of the biggest movie stars of

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<v Speaker 1>the time, John Houston, Henry Fonda, Rita Hayworth, Lana Turner.

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<v Speaker 5>My sister and I used to put on puppet shows

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<v Speaker 5>for Lana's daughter's birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>But Paul specialized in the European emigres. Billy Wilder, Marlena

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<v Speaker 1>dietrich ingmar Bergmann.

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<v Speaker 5>Any with an accent was a client of the Koner Agency.

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<v Speaker 5>They understood each other. They were a tight knit group.

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<v Speaker 1>The late thirties brought a flood of Europeans into Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them refugees from Nazi oppression. They flocked to

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<v Speaker 1>the Coner Agency.

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<v Speaker 5>When anyone who came to Hollywood would go straight to

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<v Speaker 5>nine point sixty nine Sunset Boulevard because that was a

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<v Speaker 5>European refuge My father spoke their languages and got them jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>The Coner Agency became a salon for the Emigray film community.

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<v Speaker 5>His office on Sunset Boulevard is an Art Deco small

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<v Speaker 5>building with large offices, and there's an Oval office in

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<v Speaker 5>the Oval entry room with couches, and that's where these

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<v Speaker 5>Europeans actors out of work would hang out would be

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<v Speaker 5>And then the afternoon, my father's right hand as secretary

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<v Speaker 5>also grown up in Berlin, there would be a coffee clutch.

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<v Speaker 5>She would have pastries from poopies and coffee, and that

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<v Speaker 5>was the meeting place for many of these European actors, writers.

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<v Speaker 1>Direct They discussed the news from Europe endlessly and it

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<v Speaker 1>was always horrible.

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<v Speaker 6>Through the snow, the legions of occupation march into Czechoslovakia.

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<v Speaker 6>This rapid stroke, which has outraged all freedom loving nations

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<v Speaker 6>of the world, is carried out with military executitue.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty eight, the Nazis took over the part

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<v Speaker 1>of Czechoslovakia that included Tapletz, the Koner's hometown.

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<v Speaker 5>My grandmother Helena didn't want to leave because they were

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<v Speaker 5>still uncles Nansen, until finally the situation became untenable and

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<v Speaker 5>the Nazis were in tablets and she made a phone

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<v Speaker 5>call saying get me out.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Koner was exceptionally well connected. One of his friends

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<v Speaker 1>was the eldest son of President Franklin D. And Eleanor Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 1>With his help, they were able to get Helena out

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>The rest of the family parish were sent to Terrasine

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<v Speaker 5>Camp and other camps.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in Los Angeles. The emigreve film community realized that

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<v Speaker 1>the situation was dire and the US government was making

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<v Speaker 1>it harder for refugees to immigrate. Paul and Frederick Kohner,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Billy Wilder and Marlena Dietrich, decided they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do something to help their friends who were trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>In order to get here, they had to have the visas,

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<v Speaker 5>they had to have proof of financial support that they

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't be a burden on the United States. So my

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<v Speaker 5>father had to get to Affi. David's offers of work

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<v Speaker 5>are from the various studios of various employers round town

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<v Speaker 5>and so financially my father was part of the group

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<v Speaker 5>that started the European Film Fund.

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<v Speaker 1>The Khoner saved some sixty people Jews from Germany, Poland,

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<v Speaker 1>Czechoslovakia and Hungary in La The new refugees joined the

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<v Speaker 1>tight knit Emigree community, and when they weren't hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>at the Koner Agency eating pastries, they were at the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant down the street. That's where some of the best

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<v Speaker 1>and most authentic European food in Los Angeles was served

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<v Speaker 1>and where the European movie stars and directors hung out.

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<v Speaker 1>At Little Hungary, the restaurant owned by Mickey Dora's dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey Dora and Kathy Kohner Gidget met on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>in Malibu in nineteen fifty six, but their families have

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<v Speaker 1>been deeply intertwined for decades through Mickey's dad's restaurant, Little Hungary. Miklos,

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<v Speaker 1>with his young American wife and Little Mickey, had emigrated

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<v Speaker 1>to America in nineteen thirty five. Little Hungary was a

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<v Speaker 1>swanky place on Sunset Boulevard. The waiters wore bow ties

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<v Speaker 1>and traditional Hungarian outfits, and a sign outside advertised Gypsy music,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also cozy. You could get Transylvanian gulash

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<v Speaker 1>with an apple strudel for dessert. For the many many

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<v Speaker 1>European emigrets living and working in Hollywood at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Little Hungary was a reminder of home. That was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>true for Gidget's family. The Kohners, Paul and Frederick, Gidget's

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<v Speaker 1>uncle and her dad, were regulars, and when their youngest brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Walter arrived in Los Angeles, he started working there. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a pianist, playing Viennese waltzes for the after theater crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd later write that he played for quote ten dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a week and all the gulash I could eat. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>cousin Ponto again.

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<v Speaker 5>It was marvelous when I was growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 5>Remember my uncle playing the piano there, my uncle Walter.

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<v Speaker 1>Late one night in the spring of nineteen forty, Walter

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<v Speaker 1>was at Little Hungary. Miklosch, Dora, mister Dora to Walter,

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<v Speaker 1>was there too. Mieklosch came and sat next to Walter

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<v Speaker 1>at the piano and delivered terrible news. The Nazis, Miklosch said,

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<v Speaker 1>had invaded Holland. It was a solemn moment between boss

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<v Speaker 1>and employee, two Europeans in grim solidarity. But to Walter

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<v Speaker 1>the news was excruciatingly personal. His childhood sweetheart, Hannah, who

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<v Speaker 1>like him was Jewish, was stuck in Amsterdam. Later, their

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic reunion would be the subject of an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>This Is Your Life.

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<v Speaker 6>This Is Your Life television was most talked about program

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<v Speaker 6>and our host, Ralph Edward Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>On the show, which was wildly popular and ran for

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<v Speaker 1>more than a decade, the host would surprise an unsuspecting

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<v Speaker 1>member of the audience, filling the stage with the most

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<v Speaker 1>important people in the subject's life.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Your Life Hannah Blackconer, Oh No, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The program told an extraordinary story how Hannah had defied

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<v Speaker 1>the odds, enduring a series of concentration camps and escaping

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<v Speaker 1>with her life. It was the first time the show

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<v Speaker 1>was devoted to a survivor of the Holocaust. People from

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<v Speaker 1>different parts of Hannah's wartime odyssey, people she had not

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<v Speaker 1>seen in years and she thought she'd never see again,

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<v Speaker 1>appeared on stage for Tearful Reunions. Hannah and Walter had

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<v Speaker 1>met in Teplets when they were young, but when the

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<v Speaker 1>war broke out in your they were separated.

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<v Speaker 5>They were sweethearts in high school, and then Walter came

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<v Speaker 5>to America and Hannah is sweet artist girlfriend. He was

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<v Speaker 5>going to arrange try to arrange a visa for herticum,

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<v Speaker 5>but that was delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah fled home for the relative safety of Prague. When

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<v Speaker 1>Prague became too dangerous, she went to Amsterdam.

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<v Speaker 5>And she first as a housekeeper. Then the war started

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<v Speaker 5>and she worked as a typist in the German Nazi offices,

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<v Speaker 5>and she had access to all the lists of who

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<v Speaker 5>they were going to round up.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the Nazis invaded Holland, it became basically impossible for

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah to get a visa to come to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Hannah sent a letter that broke Walter's heart. She

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<v Speaker 1>had fallen in love with someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>She had a suitor, Carl was his name, and she

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<v Speaker 5>hadn't heard from Walter in a long time, and her

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<v Speaker 5>chances of getting a visa were slimmed to none. It

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<v Speaker 5>was a five year waiting list. And then I think

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<v Speaker 5>the American embassy there in Amsterdam was bombed or blew

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<v Speaker 5>up and all the paper was gone. So she and

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<v Speaker 5>Carl got married. They were rounded up and taken to

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<v Speaker 5>a camp and released several times.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually they were sent to Auschwitz. Carl died there, Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>miraculously did not.

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<v Speaker 5>Her brother, who was a medical student, also was in

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<v Speaker 5>the camps, and they actually saw each other through a

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<v Speaker 5>fence once.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Walter had left his job playing piano for mister Dora.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd been drafted into the US Army. Walter was in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had no idea where Hannah was or if

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<v Speaker 1>she was alive. Then one day, not long after the

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<v Speaker 1>war was over, Walter got a letter. It was addressed

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<v Speaker 1>simply to Walter Kohner. Sunset Boulevard. The letter had made

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<v Speaker 1>it to his brother's talent agency and they had sent

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<v Speaker 1>it to Walter, who was then in Luxembourg. The letter

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<v Speaker 1>was from two American soldiers. They'd liberated a concentration camp

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<v Speaker 1>and had found Hannah alive.

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<v Speaker 5>So he borrowed a jeep and was racing from camp

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<v Speaker 5>to camp trying to find her. At one point he

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<v Speaker 5>i demolished the jeep common neared another vehicle. He got

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<v Speaker 5>to Prague and by chance, in the streets of Prague

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<v Speaker 5>he found freedol Hannah's brother and told him that his

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<v Speaker 5>sister was alive, but they didn't know where, and so

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<v Speaker 5>they thought, well, maybe she went back to Amsterdam. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>so Walter went to Amstam. He knew the house how

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<v Speaker 5>she had worked as a maid, and rang the doorbell

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<v Speaker 5>and there she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah and Walter married in the fall of nineteen forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to return to Los Angeles, where Walter went

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<v Speaker 1>back to playing piano at Mister Dora's restaurant, which he

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<v Speaker 1>had renamed Little Gypsy. Hungary had joined the Axis during

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<v Speaker 1>the war, and Mi Klose didn't want to be associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the Nazis. Gidget's family knew first hand the evils

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<v Speaker 1>of anti Semitism. They knew what a swastika meant. A

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<v Speaker 1>swastikament you don't belong here. It meant you're not safe,

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<v Speaker 1>it meant leave. All this made what happened at Malibu,

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<v Speaker 1>what Kathy's so called friends did, even uglier and more personal,

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<v Speaker 1>really unforgivable. When Kathy Koher returned to Malibu after college,

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<v Speaker 1>the scene on the beach was unrecognizable and something else

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<v Speaker 1>have changed. Kathy wasn't surfing anymore. She'd quit.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I came home in nineteen sixty, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even remember having my own surfboard anymore, but I do

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<v Speaker 3>remember it being pretty crowded. So the movie came out

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen fifty nine, and that Gidget, the movie I

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<v Speaker 3>think is the start of the billion dollar surf industry.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, like, oh my gosh, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Malibu, I want to surf.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to meet Moondoggie.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty dramatic change, actually, And the fellas that I had

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<v Speaker 3>surfed with they were older than me always, so that

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<v Speaker 3>when I came home they had sort of dispersed. They

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<v Speaker 3>were in the military. Uh, maybe they went away to college.

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<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't kind of the same crew, the same

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<v Speaker 3>grouping of surfers that I had known in fifty six

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<v Speaker 3>fifty seven and fifty eight fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not really the whole story. The vibe at

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu had turned toxic long before all those teeny boppers

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<v Speaker 1>came looking for their Moondoggie. When Kathy was still surfing

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<v Speaker 1>at Malibu. It would be whitewashed out of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>and the TV show. The Gidget character played by Sandra

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<v Speaker 1>d never had to deal with it. Here's what happened

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<v Speaker 1>the second summer. Kathy Kohner, the real Gidget, surfed at

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu the summer of nineteen fifty seven, when her father's

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<v Speaker 1>novel was published and knew was already out that it

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<v Speaker 1>would soon be a feature film. A symbol appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of tube steak shack. It was a swastika.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy told me about this reluctantly, and she got really

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable when I asked her about another swastika i'd heard about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an incident Kathy doesn't like to discuss, because this

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<v Speaker 1>time it was drawn in the gravel of the driveway

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<v Speaker 1>at her family's home. This is something Kathy puts in

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<v Speaker 1>the category of prank, like disconnecting the distributor on her car.

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<v Speaker 1>She never found out who did it, but she refused

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<v Speaker 1>to let it get to her.

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<v Speaker 3>And had there been a swastika on the driveway or

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<v Speaker 3>no swastik on the driver, we just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>it was not a big We kind of didn't want

0:28:00.156 --> 0:28:02.276
<v Speaker 3>to deal with something like that, so we just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, who cares, you know, you want to throw

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<v Speaker 3>my board over the fence. So I had a drive,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I had a drive to want to learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to surf, to prove it to you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, but to the guys that I could be

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<v Speaker 3>just when I could surf too, I'm going to surf.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking to me, she didn't want to dwell on swastika's

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<v Speaker 1>it's the gidget in me, she explained. She got over it.

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<v Speaker 1>She learned to surf. Isn't that the story at Duke's Restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally Kathy's job to live in the past, to

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<v Speaker 1>be that piece of living history talking about Moondoggie and

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<v Speaker 1>tube Steak and the shack and the bitch in summer

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty six. She loves it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hemingway wrote that story A clean, well lighted place, which

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<v Speaker 3>I loved because you know, I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 3>the barefoot bar at Duke's somewhat like a clean, well

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<v Speaker 3>lighted place.

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<v Speaker 4>You go there, you can.

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<v Speaker 3>See the people, They're regulars, they're welcoming you.

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<v Speaker 4>I can go around and.

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<v Speaker 3>Gets I got elevated to excellence. I have to thank

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<v Speaker 3>the Duke's Corporation. The title now is Ambassador of Aloha,

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<v Speaker 3>which means that I greet the guests when the doors

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<v Speaker 3>are open. I'm pretty much walking around. I'm allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>offer the free.

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<v Speaker 4>Hula pi, which is our signature dessert.

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<v Speaker 3>I sometimes help seat, but usually I just I dress up,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fun for me, and I walk around and

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<v Speaker 3>I smile, and if somebody smiles.

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<v Speaker 4>Back, I'm like, have you been here before?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you visiting from? Oh? If I'll take them

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<v Speaker 3>to a table where I'm happening to walk by photos

0:29:50.116 --> 0:29:52.116
<v Speaker 3>that are of me on the wall, I'll say that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Me when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty five years after her dad's book came out, people

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<v Speaker 1>still care about Gidget.

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<v Speaker 3>This little girl said, I'm Angelie and Devin from Nando Beach,

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote a paper report about you in high school.

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<v Speaker 3>We met you years ago here at Duke's We love you,

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<v Speaker 3>And when she came in last Sunday, the face was familiar.

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<v Speaker 4>But oh, I'm so.

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<v Speaker 3>Glad you're here. I'm so glad you're here. Speak hug.

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<v Speaker 3>I met you several years ago. You were going to Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember me? Do you remember me? I don't remember,

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<v Speaker 3>my guess I've been there twenty years. But there's that

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of warmth that may generate to me or just

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<v Speaker 3>to the type of climate that Gidget represents to people today.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is that?

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<v Speaker 4>What is that climate?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that climate is this was fun, This was clean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not it was.

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<v Speaker 4>There weren't any you know, I didn't. I wasn't aware

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<v Speaker 4>of drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't aware of homelessness, you know, I mean except

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<v Speaker 3>Toobsteak lived in the shack. So I thought, you have

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<v Speaker 3>a path to follow, and that path in like the

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<v Speaker 3>Judy Garland movie, you know, to the Yellow Rick Road.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's two innocent times.

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<v Speaker 3>An innocent time, I think, so an innocent time.

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<v Speaker 1>But what really endures about Gidget and why the story

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<v Speaker 1>inspires women and girls today, has to do with Kathy's

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<v Speaker 1>incredible spirit. She was determined to surf, and she did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She carved out a place for herself.

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<v Speaker 3>The Gidget story may have an element of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it does have an element of don't drop in on me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a cerfect expression. So you know, the book has

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<v Speaker 3>an element of nobody's going to take this spirit away

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<v Speaker 3>of the young girl, and nobody's going to drop in

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<v Speaker 3>on her. She's going to, you know, in the last

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<v Speaker 3>line of the book, maybe I'm just a woman in

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<v Speaker 3>love with a surfboard.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy moved on from Malibu, and.

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<v Speaker 3>In college, I had discovered, you know that, Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish and I'm in Corvallis, Oregon. I better join the

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<v Speaker 3>Hillel Club or I wanted to. I wanted some identification.

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<v Speaker 3>And I came home I thought, oh wow, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to join the Peace Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>She met her husband, Marv. He's a retired professor of Yiddish.

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<v Speaker 1>They have two sons and three granddaughters. From about nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty to about two thousand and one, when Gidget the

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<v Speaker 1>Book was reissued, she pretty much disappeared from surf culture.

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<v Speaker 1>While surfing was ballooning into the gigantic industry it is today.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Matt Warshaw, the surf historian, what Gidget meant

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<v Speaker 1>for surfing.

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<v Speaker 7>Kathy was the beginning of selling surfing to everybody. It

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<v Speaker 7>was going from Hollywood across the country and then across

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<v Speaker 7>the world. Literally see Gidget posters in all these different languages.

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<v Speaker 7>So I mean it really went around the world and

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<v Speaker 7>it's just this call to come to the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey, he had a different message.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Mickey was the one who was going to

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<v Speaker 7>originate surfers, you know, sort of telling everybody. Then the

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<v Speaker 7>rest of the surf world and a lot of surfers

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<v Speaker 7>as well, you know, stay away from this break. You

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<v Speaker 7>know that Mickey was the one who brought sort of

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<v Speaker 7>theater to surfing, being a nonconformist, anti establishment thing. Came

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<v Speaker 7>in and trolled the people that didn't surf or you

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<v Speaker 7>railed against those who had sold out. So he invented

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<v Speaker 7>that sort of rebellious version of the surfer.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's also you could say that Gidget's contribution was

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<v Speaker 1>surfing is for everyone.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, and Mickey's in a way was to try to

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<v Speaker 7>with as much flair as possible, push everyone away.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>It was it was him and a few other hardcore

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<v Speaker 7>surfers against everyone. Mickey was just as angry and sort

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<v Speaker 7>of performative against other surfers as he was against nonsurfers.

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<v Speaker 7>More so in fact, you know, he there was no

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<v Speaker 7>you know, it was a real purity test that you

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<v Speaker 7>had to pass with him to be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>With Next time, I'm Lostel's Mickey Police's Malibu Beach.

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<v Speaker 8>So now we've got like a rich kid in fancy

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<v Speaker 8>sunglasses and fancy clothes in a fancy sports car, passing

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<v Speaker 8>bad checks and putting swastikas on his board and being

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<v Speaker 8>a jerk to outsiders because they don't know how to surf,

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<v Speaker 8>and spewing all this vile stuff. I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 8>just kind of started to turn, you know, green and

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<v Speaker 8>gross inside and feel to me like there's something wrong

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<v Speaker 8>with this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next in episode five. Surf Nazi Lost Tails is

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<v Speaker 1>written and reported by Me Dana Goodyear. It's created by

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