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Speaker 1: So let's now just go through workplace.

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Speaker 2: You know there is it's the incentive to keep going.

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Speaker 2: Just look at like the problems with like pay discrepancies,

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Speaker 2: in your life, Like you need to amp it up

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Speaker 3: Right, So if you're a Luen and you get a dui,

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Speaker 3: the upside down that doesn't happen in normal workplace conditions, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's like something that like can distiller. Bassett once said,

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Speaker 2: like the line is always moving, right, So same thing

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Speaker 2: the thing is like I don't think they understand anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's like not everybody wants to see it like insane,

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Speaker 2: like dark scandal every week. Like when these shows started,

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Speaker 2: I mean, stupid stuff like that. Yes, and now it's

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Speaker 3: So that's such a great point. Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 2: Well it becomes a situation where like well yeah, so

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Speaker 3: There's a woman on my show that I won't that

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Speaker 1: But she used to say, you get punished like you're

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Speaker 3: You feel like you were bad, so now you have

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Speaker 2: It's insane too, the way that like, yeah, it is rewarded,

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Speaker 2: It's like once you've been on for so many years,

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Speaker 2: I'll just be honest, Shannon Badoor was not like the

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Speaker 3: So like just to really add it right, throw over

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Speaker 3: So they should not have people on these shows that

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Speaker 2: I mean you probably for your own health and well being. No,

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Speaker 3: Well, the networks, so this whole hierarchy and structure is

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Speaker 3: I just saw someone abuse someone else, or verbally abuse

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Speaker 3: So the payment structure is designed so nobody's holding the

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Speaker 2: Was for Real Housewoives of Atlanta spinoff called Porsche's Family Matters.

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Speaker 2: But like then a week or so later, we were back

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Speaker 3: So you're really primarily here to represent the crew I think,

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Speaker 2: There's these are things that have been discussed and complained

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's courageous, and I think your voice will be

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Speaker 1: You've a good life. You like me.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was the scariest housewife because I became

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like even a thread where you're like wondering if

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Speaker 2: That had been something I'd been toying with for a while.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, I've been interested in doing only fans

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Speaker 3: First of all, I hope a lot of my followers,

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Speaker 3: The upside down. It's the upside down of any other workplace.

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Speaker 2: So is you can either have peace and have a

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Speaker 3: just to Miami because it costs nothing, and yet we'd

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00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: still deliver the same disaster. That's what my point of

435
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 3: view is. So you're validating my point of view.

436
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the pressures that are put upon the crews

437
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: and producers are just insane. I spoke about this. I'm

438
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: going to reiterate some of the things I said in

439
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: the video, Like, you know a lot of times, you know,

440
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: all these cash trips, you'll go like a week long trip.

441
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: There was a trip where I traveled twenty two hours.

442
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,239
Speaker 2: Me and a group of crew members traveled twenty two

443
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: hours to an international location. You know, travel days a

444
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: work day, you're changing planes, you're collecting gear, you're like

445
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: communicating with your crew, you know what I mean, you're

446
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: doing logistics, you're talking to the people that are already

447
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: there like you're working, you know. And then so we

448
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: get to this location after having worked and traveled for

449
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: twenty two hours straight, and we're told when we got

450
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: to the hotel, we got a text that said, hello, welcome,

451
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: Please drop your bags and get freshened up in your

452
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: room and be back in the lobby within the hour

453
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: for a day of scouting. So we were expected, although

454
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: we had just finished working a twenty two hour day,

455
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: we were expected to begin yet another twenty two hour

456
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: day without like a literal wink of sleek. So I mean,

457
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: and that's happened more than once on these shows.

458
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: Basically, you're saying that there should be a reasonable I'm

459
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: saying in a workplace, there are shifts, and you're saying

460
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: that people should be working in reasonable shifts with a

461
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: little bit.

462
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: People should be working in shift. People should be working

463
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: in shifts. Correct. So some shows did that, and I

464
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: said this in the video. Vander pump Rose, for example,

465
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: was a show that staggered really well. That was a

466
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: very well run show by the showrunner Jeremiah Smith. That's

467
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: a testament that his leadership, he was always very very

468
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: aware of, you know, the needs of the crew, was

469
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: very in touch with the needs of the crew.

470
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Speaker 1: Amazing, Like right, shout out to Jeremiah Smith. Okay, Yes.

471
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: And there are some people on the other hand who

472
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: run the trips, like you know, tyrants. You know, they'll

473
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: expect every producer to be at that cast villa or

474
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: the cast rooms at like seven or eight a m.

475
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: To start shooting producer cam before one of the big

476
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: cameras get up. So we're coming in on iPhones shooting

477
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: them waking up, you know what I mean, before the

478
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: before the crews get up.

479
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: How many hours in a row are you working without

480
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: sleep and food like that?

481
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: On those ships, you're working like sometimes like thirteen fourteen

482
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 2: fifteen hour days at that time, depending on your position.

483
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: And then these loggers then they'll work that shoot day

484
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: and then they have to go back to their room

485
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: and write a summary. So then they're writing for like

486
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: three hours, you know, and then they have to be

487
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: back to working like two hours. Your car times eight am,

488
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: your car times am. We're running late.

489
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: I had this experience on a show that I was

490
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: on and my name was on. And there was a

491
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: moment when I looked at the producer I won't name her.

492
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: There were two producers and I said, is this legal?

493
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: Was freezing. We had been working. It was two o'clock

494
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: in the morning. They had jammed everything in to this

495
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: one location that we had to get done on this day,

496
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: and like the pivotal point was still hadn't been accomplished.

497
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: And I said, is this legal?

498
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 3: And they said, well, it's not union, it's not illegal,

499
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: but it's not right. And I called up the head

500
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: of the production company and was like what And it's

501
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: one of them that you actually know, and I said,

502
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And I freaked out. And the next

503
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 3: time I met with this entire crew, I said, I

504
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: just want you guys to know that what that was.

505
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: And one part, one of the sound person quit. I

506
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: was acutely aware of it was wrong. And somebody from

507
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: your world too was working with me on it, and

508
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: I was and he was just used to it because

509
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: he's used to what you're talking about. And I said

510
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: to the crew, this is not This will never happen again.

511
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: My name cannot be on something that cannot be a

512
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: reflection of me. Like you just know when it's inhumane.

513
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: And so you're speaking for the crew from the physical

514
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: the lack of breaks, lack of you.

515
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: Know, you're in these tropical locations, right and sometimes the

516
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: women's cast. The rooms can be like different parts of

517
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: these resorts, right, so they're very far away sometimes from

518
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: each other. So you'll have a crew that's you know,

519
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: carrying several heavy cameras, tons of equipment, lighting all that.

520
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: You just manually, they're just firing you off to different

521
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: places and then they're like, nope, go back to Bethany's room.

522
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: And then we're headed there and they're like, what the hell,

523
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: why aren't you have Bethany's room? And we need to

524
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: get this scene shut, you know, and it's like, well,

525
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: they're carrying all the stuff to try to get it

526
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: from the last movie made, you know, and they're just no,

527
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, well I'm giving my cameraman like

528
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: a water break because we just like walked three miles

529
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: to get here, so like we're gonna need a second.

530
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: You know. There's no consideration of those kind of things,

531
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, They don't.

532
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: Care And is there any hr there.

533
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 2: Are definitely no HR representatives on site on these trips.

534
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: That's what I mentioned in the video. I think that

535
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: Bravo should send someone from human resources, some kind of

536
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 2: compliance officer to these to these trips to ensure that

537
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: the cast, crew and everyone involved are given their like

538
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: adequate break times, are given rest, everyone's being treated humanely

539
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: and not being you know, forced to like sit on

540
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: a hot boat for four hours. You know what I'm saying, Like, No.

541
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: This is what I said the first time around. I said,

542
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: there are no guard rails, there's no lifeguard, there's no

543
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: principle in the office. It's just a free free for all.

544
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: And it's just a free for all. So what about

545
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: the And then the last thing I want to talk

546
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: about is like what about the mental health of the

547
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: crew and how the crew feels about the subject matter

548
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: about the Porsche fight, about the Morocco Brandy Caroline incident,

549
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: about the Shannon Badour, about the Scary Island, Like what

550
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: is the crew's moral dilemma or are they just machines

551
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: that are just don't they don't you know what I mean?

552
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Like, I mean I can speak to the Porsche fight.

553
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: I mean they were all extremely upset after that they

554
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: were like this is so fucked up, Like we can't

555
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: work like this, We shouldn't be having to do this,

556
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: you know. And and the real kicker for that was

557
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: like Porscha didn't even like acknowledge it, you know, until

558
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: she was like made to like because there was like

559
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: day a day went by and Porsche had said nothing

560
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: to the crew or anything until they like, like you

561
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: have to say something. She gave us like very very

562
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: very quick little apology that she really clearly wanted to

563
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: like breeze through like check. Yeah. So they were very

564
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: like put off by that. And yeah, I mean I

565
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times I've been like that's

566
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: been late night at a trip going back to do

567
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: producer Cam, like all right, we gotta go back and

568
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: get the ladies having fun in their rooms, and like

569
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: these ladies are so exhausted a lot of times, like

570
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: they just traveled, you know, twenty something hours to get

571
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: there too, they haven't gotten a lot of rest. And

572
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: I've literally had to tell them like all right, ladies,

573
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: I eat everybody up dancing, Let's take some you know,

574
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: like who who wants drinks, Let's get some drinks, Let's

575
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: have some fun. Get the energy up here, you know

576
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: what I mean? Told to tell them, you.

577
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: Know, does exhaustion help drama?

578
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: Tired, they're like all dead and they're like okay, they

579
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: get up and dance. It's like dance, pony dance. You know.

580
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: Is there any aspect of it where the exhaustion helps

581
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: the drama? The alcohol helps the drama like that production

582
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: knows that, Like they're tired, so they're going to do

583
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: and say stupid shito percent.

584
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: I think that the model of these trips to pack

585
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: so much into such a short amount of time, I

586
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: think was designed to uh be very exhausting and very uh.

587
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: I think they were designed to push people to their limits.

588
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, to push these cast members

589
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: to their limits, these long days, long events where a

590
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: lot of alcohol is happening.

591
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: Yet it's the residual aspect of that is the trips

592
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: are designed to push people to their limits. So somebody

593
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: has to be filming that creuse not making the same money,

594
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: getting the same fame, having the same decisions, power and relevance,

595
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: is experienced the same exhaustion, but with no upside. Absolutely, absolutely,

596
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: that's what you're saying, because I was trying. I'm trying

597
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: to get to you what overall this is for the crew,

598
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: and that's what I've now at the end of this

599
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 3: interview come to you are basically saying that all of

600
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: this drama that goes on that is making housewives cry

601
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: ruin their lives, the desperation, the circular reference. The crew

602
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: is experiencing all of it and more because they're lugging

603
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: equipment and having to capture it and have to stay

604
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 3: in shitty hotel rooms. But they get none of the upside.

605
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: And dodging plates and knives by their faces, you know,

606
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: and can be replaced at a moment's notice without.

607
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's all downside while you're watching these other

608
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: people drive in rolls royces and you guys are there

609
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: to produce it.

610
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very I feel like I get it.

611
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: I feel like I want to know if there's anything

612
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: you have to say that you haven't said.

613
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: They said that you got everything.

614
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: So one discussion has been NDAs because they've been loosely

615
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: interpreted and sort of weaponized theoretically, so no one can

616
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: talk about their experience, and Bravo says, oh, the NDAs

617
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: are not so someone doesn't discuss problems in the workplace.

618
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: They're just to protect storyline. But cast members and crew

619
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: members are scared that they're on a gag order and

620
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: that they'll be sanctioned and punished if they talk because

621
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: they're under NDA. But NDAs are not designed so if

622
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: someone has a me too incident or experience, is something

623
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: that is problematic in the workplace, that you're not supposed

624
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: to tell about it. NDAs are supposed to be for

625
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: like proprietary information, you know, like don't give our recipe

626
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: for the secret sauce or our story exactly. So the

627
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: NDA is a discussion, and have you been nervous about that?

628
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: You'll be signed an NDA along the way.

629
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm not nervous about that because everything I've been saying

630
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: is the truth, you know. So while that may be

631
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: a concern for some people, it's just not a concern

632
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: of mine quite frankly. Yeah, I think that nothing changes

633
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: if nothing changes, So I mean, somebody's got to speak

634
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: up and say these things. Somebody's got to bring these

635
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: things to light from the point of view of the

636
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: producers and the crew members that are seeing this, because

637
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: nobody believes the housewife who's you know, been like spiraling

638
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: out of control who's been like or been has this

639
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: reputation of being difficult or being a slut, or being

640
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: stupid or being you know, whatever it is. Whatever reason

641
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: you don't like a real housewife for, it's a reason

642
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: for you not to believe them when they come out

643
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: and say, hey, I've been mistreated. You know. So, I

644
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: don't care if you like somebody or not. I don't

645
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: care if you agree with their lifestyle. I don't care

646
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: if you agree with what they do. And I'm talking

647
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: about people in front of the camera talking about people

648
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: behind the camera. They should that that just shouldn't happen.

649
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter who the message is coming from.

650
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: It's like, let's believe these people. Let's start believing some

651
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: of these people, you know what I mean. Let's start

652
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: working at what some of these people are saying and

653
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: maybe set aside your feelings about what they did in

654
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: their storyline on their show and maybe like taking the consideration, Okay,

655
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: maybe two things can be true at one time.

656
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 3: You are a great messenger, like you actually are doing

657
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: so much for the crew and for these women, because I,

658
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: as a viewer would be like Daniel Staub, but when

659
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: she reached out to me and said, do you know

660
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: how many times prostitution whore has been said?

661
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Said on watch Rappens.

662
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: Live that it was at Bravo Khan that it was

663
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 3: like played over and over, like it's like the girl

664
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: who was promiscuous in high school or who slept with

665
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: half the hockey team, but then is like abused, like

666
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: fully abused, you know, or physical abused, or becomes not

667
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: a person anymore. That's the thing that I think is

668
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: going on. It's all the girls that have made mistakes,

669
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: done stupid things, said stupid things, drank too much, but

670
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: too many people weren't you know, gotten many tattoos, look

671
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: a certain way that people judge. You know, these are

672
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: the girls that I do think are also kind of discarded,

673
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: so their message gets muddled. And I think that that's

674
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: what you've just said, like that you are the voice

675
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: of those people, and that I think is something interesting.

676
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: Does that make Does that make s that's the difference,

677
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah or not?

678
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: It does because you know, those people have been like

679
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: cast out, you know what I mean, So like a

680
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: lot of the time, you know, the viewership will turn

681
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: on those people because they're not spoken up positively on

682
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: the show anymore. Whatever reason. But it's like this thing

683
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: where we're going to keep you. We're gonna keep you here,

684
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep you in a nice car, and we'll

685
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: keep you you know what I mean. But you're staying

686
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: the right you know what I mean? Yes, yeah, exactly.

687
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: In the midst of hearing from all these people, I've

688
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: also heard from cast members who are currently on shows

689
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: that are going through this ship right now in real time,

690
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, realching out saying like I'm going through this

691
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: on my show right now for X y Z. So

692
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: it's like it's nothing has changed, you know.

693
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: No, A big one said it to me too. People

694
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: reached out to me and then but then they got

695
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: scared and they wouldn't say anything, and they like said

696
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 3: publicly the opposite. And I got annoyed because I was like, no,

697
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: now you're like you called me or you reached out

698
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: to me to say what I was doing is amazing,

699
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: but then you got nervous and hid behind it, and

700
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: when asked in the media what you thought, and you

701
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: like denounced it. But you called me privately. That has

702
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: happened a lot people have called privately. But yeah, but

703
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: that that's that's their privacy.

704
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you understand. I understand, like you got to like

705
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: make a living, you know, even people, this is what's

706
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: paying your bills. This is why none of the crew

707
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: has been speaking out because this is paying their bills,

708
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I also don't blame

709
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: the crew, the cast members who don't want to speak publicly.

710
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: Obviously they have a job to keep.

711
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: You know, I think you can actually make a difference,

712
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: and I'm going to connect you to people, like there

713
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: were conversations where SAG and AFTRA validated everything I was

714
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: saying and saying that the door was opened, the bridge

715
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: was never linked. But we have a lot, we have

716
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: contacts and respect there and you could probably be instrumental

717
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: in like helping production crews get the treatment they deserve.

718
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: This also, I remember when I had this going on

719
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: with the reckoning, teachers were talking about it, like you know,

720
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: plumbers were talking about it. People and other industries start

721
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: to hear things that start in one industry. So I

722
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: actually think you can you can make an impact because

723
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: it's more you know, it's a it's more of a

724
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: middle class uprising that that you could represent that I

725
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: obviously couldn't. So anyway, I just want to thank you Patrick.

726
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: Have a great rest of your time in Thailand. Patrick

727
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: is joining us from Thailand. It's the middle of the night,

728
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: so go get some rest and breathe easy. I think

729
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: you did a great job.

730
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thanks. I really appreciate it.

731
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: Awesome.

732
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. What that? What that? What that? What that?

733
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Speaker 4: Hap