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Speaker 1: One thing always stands out in the midst of tragedy, horror, death, terrorism,
Speaker 1: whatever it happens to be. The school shooting evil on display,
Speaker 1: it just is you. You see and always see another
Speaker 1: side of the human experience and the human soul. And
Speaker 1: it was captured with this football coach. And here you
Speaker 1: have a guy reportedly one of the most like guys.
Speaker 1: He was literally shielding students yesterday during this massacre at
Speaker 1: Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. His name is Aaron Faces.
Speaker 1: His name once a security guard at the school, apparently
Speaker 1: went to the school himself. And this guy gives his
Speaker 1: life protecting these kids that he loved under the most
Speaker 1: unbelievable circumstances, and m everybody apparently loved this guy, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's so sad and it's so tragic, and
Speaker 1: you know, we we've gotten a lot of information in
Speaker 1: just the last you know, twenty four hours. And so
Speaker 1: we got off the air literally we were on the
Speaker 1: air yesterday and it was reported up until we ended
Speaker 1: the show about fifty eight minutes after the our fifty
Speaker 1: seven minutes after the hour, that only two people have died.
Speaker 1: We're off the air four minutes and it was seventeen
Speaker 1: deaths in the shooting yesterday. It is now the third
Speaker 1: largest shooting, worst U S school shootings ever. Um, And
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, when we get this information.
Speaker 1: Everybody was saying on TV last night and today that
Speaker 1: I've watched if you see something, you gotta say something. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to play for you an interview of a
Speaker 1: guy that saw something and it was online and it
Speaker 1: was on YouTube, and it was from this guy, Nicholas Cruz,
Speaker 1: and he's saying, I'm going to be a professional school shooter.
Speaker 1: And he actually said something, and he said it to
Speaker 1: the FBI, and the FBI followed up the next day
Speaker 1: and then we see all his social media fingerprints, and
Speaker 1: all we see on those social media fingerprints, want you know,
Speaker 1: we see this guy is the guy more than a
Speaker 1: number of these kids has said. Quote the headline and
Speaker 1: on the New York Post today is gun Craze Florida
Speaker 1: team joked that he'd shoot up the school. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: that's not a joke. Everybody was saying, this is the guy.
Speaker 1: He's thrown out of school and for disciplinary issues, he
Speaker 1: sent to another school, which that never makes sense to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll throw you out of this school, but we'll keep
Speaker 1: you in the district, and we'll show you to another
Speaker 1: We'll send you to another school that never made sense either.
Speaker 1: And the stuff happens, and you know, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: this for you, and it's not see something, say something,
Speaker 1: because people saw it and said it, and he posted it.
Speaker 1: And more often than not, be it a shooting like
Speaker 1: this or a terrorism event, we're finding that these people
Speaker 1: are telegraphing what is in their sick, ugly, twisted, evil
Speaker 1: mins and we're not capturing it soon enough. Anyway, here
Speaker 1: is the guy that had picked up this comment on
Speaker 1: YouTube September two thousand, seventeen, I sent a a screenshot
Speaker 1: of a comment on one of my videos. Now people
Speaker 1: keep asking me which video was it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what video it was. When I saw
Speaker 1: the comment come through on my UH studio app on
Speaker 1: my iPhone, I screenshot of the comment, I hit the
Speaker 1: report button, reported to YouTube. Of course, they removed the comment,
Speaker 1: and then I tried to email it to that b
Speaker 1: I UM. I found an email address tips at FBI
Speaker 1: dot gov. Sent it to that email address. I immediately
Speaker 1: got back a m domain air. Basically that email address
Speaker 1: didn't exist. So I looked up the number for UH,
Speaker 1: our local field office, and I called and I left
Speaker 1: a message. Well, the next day I had two FBI
Speaker 1: agents standing in my office, UM and taking down the information,
Speaker 1: taking down the UH, taking copies of the screenshot, and
Speaker 1: asking me questions that of course I couldn't answer. You know,
Speaker 1: all it was and my channel was a a comment.
Speaker 1: You know, people leave pretty famous comments on a pretty
Speaker 1: regular basis on this channel, UM, and I really didn't
Speaker 1: think anything of it. But what I did think was,
Speaker 1: you know, this comment said I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: professional school shooter. And I knew that I couldn't just
Speaker 1: ignore that the red flags were all over the place
Speaker 1: here in this particular case. You know, here you have
Speaker 1: a kid I lost his mother apparently three months earlier,
Speaker 1: is living with some family. I don't know why the
Speaker 1: family allowed this kid, who's obviously troubled to go out
Speaker 1: and buy the A R fifteen. And but this is
Speaker 1: not a gun debate, and I'll explain why in a second.
Speaker 1: He's expelled from school. He has all of the the
Speaker 1: social imprint of somebody that would do something like this,
Speaker 1: and nobody after he's expelled that anybody follow up that
Speaker 1: he was he offered at any point any any help
Speaker 1: from anybody that knew that this guy, you know, had
Speaker 1: these obvious problems. Every kid that I saw interview, for
Speaker 1: the most part, that knew this kid said nobody's surprised
Speaker 1: that he would do something like this. Then you have
Speaker 1: what this guy's explaining here. The FBI is notified, and
Speaker 1: that he's saying, well, I'm I'm gonna be a professional
Speaker 1: school shooter. He's involved in apparently incidents of animal cruelty.
Speaker 1: And you know that's always a bad indicator. You know,
Speaker 1: any any kid that's hurting an animal at some point,
Speaker 1: there's there's something wrong at at any point, there's something
Speaker 1: wrong there. But I want to be a professional school shoot.
Speaker 1: We had the red flags that we all say we want,
Speaker 1: and this guy, this was premeditated, This was planned, this
Speaker 1: was orchestrated. This was just he wanted and planned for
Speaker 1: a massacre, and that's what he got yesterday. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm not gonna do. And I talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about this yesterday. I'm not this is
Speaker 1: not I'm not interested. If you want to call the
Speaker 1: show today in any predictable talking points about guns, I
Speaker 1: have a five minute montage I can play and just
Speaker 1: snippets one right after the other, and we'll get to it,
Speaker 1: probably some of it later in the program today. Of
Speaker 1: within hours, we don't even know what actually happened, and
Speaker 1: people go out with their talking points and literally this
Speaker 1: is the tragic. Let's go right back to the same
Speaker 1: old arguments we have heard time after time after time
Speaker 1: now that the attack is against Okay, are fifteen's Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to know what the number one the
Speaker 1: worst school shooting was, if you remember, this was at
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech in two thousand and seven, and I covered
Speaker 1: that shooting, and you had a loaner who suffered from
Speaker 1: mental health problems, and he shot a student and a
Speaker 1: resident assistant in a dormitory and then he headed into
Speaker 1: a classroom building where he chained and locked several doors,
Speaker 1: and then he opened fired with handguns. So those people
Speaker 1: that are gonna make the argument in that particular case,
Speaker 1: thirty two people were killed with handguns. So okay, if
Speaker 1: the argument is we're gonna get rid of are fifteens
Speaker 1: all right? Then the next shooting is that going to
Speaker 1: be with handguns, and we're gonna get rid of all handguns.
Speaker 1: And at the end, there are people, I think in
Speaker 1: this country that don't believe in the Second Amendment. Here's
Speaker 1: the bottom line, though, in my thirty years of doing
Speaker 1: radio and my twenty three years on TV now I
Speaker 1: can tell you I don't think anybody's mind is going
Speaker 1: to be changed on the issue. So the idea that
Speaker 1: something happens again and we go back to the same
Speaker 1: predictable talking points, to me, is a waste of time.
Speaker 1: If we really really really care about security at our schools,
Speaker 1: as the President said yesterday, no kids should have to
Speaker 1: worry going into a school. Every kid in every school
Speaker 1: in every town and every city in this country should
Speaker 1: feel free and safe. There's a way to do it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't involve a discussion about the Second Amendment
Speaker 1: at all. And here's my solution, and feel free to
Speaker 1: weigh in on it if you think it's got flaws
Speaker 1: and you can add to it, or you've got a
Speaker 1: better solution. I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we don't want this to happen again. I mean we
Speaker 1: can go to the Virginia Tech We had people killed there.
Speaker 1: You had Adam Lanza, he shot his mother to death
Speaker 1: and her bad driving a sandy hook. Remember that in Newtown, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: that particular case gunned down twenty children in addition to
Speaker 1: six staff members that was in This doesn't just how
Speaker 1: it happened. It happened in in Clinton's administration, Columbine George W. Bush's, Uh,
Speaker 1: it happened in Barack Obama's and now in Donald Trump's.
Speaker 1: It's not about politics, and you get the same old debates.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty simple. Every school now in the
Speaker 1: country should have a comprehensive security threat assessment by professionals.
Speaker 1: Now you're saying, well, where are you gonna get the
Speaker 1: money for that? Probably the local police would be more
Speaker 1: than glad too, and they're already getting paid to go
Speaker 1: to the local school district, spend the time, make the
Speaker 1: proper threat assessment and come up with a a comprehensive
Speaker 1: plan and on how to keep the kids in the
Speaker 1: school's safe. Now, I guess the most controversial part of
Speaker 1: my solution is going to be this. Every school is
Speaker 1: gonna have to hire enough retired former trained military, retired
Speaker 1: former UH trained police officers, and you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: secure a the perimeter. You're gonna have to have every
Speaker 1: entry point secured. You're gonna have to make sure that
Speaker 1: every kid that gets in that building belongs in that building.
Speaker 1: I can tell you what it's like in New York
Speaker 1: City Post nine eleven, the building that I am broadcasting from,
Speaker 1: I can't get in without an I D that has
Speaker 1: my picture on it. And similarly, if if somebody's coming up,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a guest on the program. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Fox, you can't get in the building. There is
Speaker 1: security literally everywhere. Well, if we really want to secure
Speaker 1: our schools, there's nobody that's gonna be able to convince
Speaker 1: me that that is mission impossible or a task we
Speaker 1: cannot accomplish because we're too smart. We've been able to
Speaker 1: do it. If you've got, you know, hundred story buildings
Speaker 1: in New York that you can secure and similarly, and
Speaker 1: in some cases maybe maybe that's going to include metal detectors.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is this, it is something that
Speaker 1: could be accomplished without going to the same old, tired,
Speaker 1: predictable talking points that each side is gonna have. Because
Speaker 1: in the thirty years I've been doing this, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: convinced that I have carried a weapon my entire adult life.
Speaker 1: I've been trained in the use of a firearm since
Speaker 1: I am eleven. I've been in marksman since I'm twelve.
Speaker 1: In terms of pistol marksman um, I have carried in
Speaker 1: New York, Rhode Island, California, Alabama, and Georgia. I've had
Speaker 1: car permits. You know, I was adding up the years.
Speaker 1: I have carried more than half my life a firearm.
Speaker 1: And I believe in the safety security responsibility in being
Speaker 1: a gun owner with a concealed carry permit. And I'd say,
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody has to be trained. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think teachers. The teachers want to teach they
Speaker 1: don't want to be. If they do want to, that's
Speaker 1: that's great. Another person on the front lines. Now, can
Speaker 1: it prevent every school shooting? Probably it's not. There's no
Speaker 1: such thing as perfect security, but I think it could
Speaker 1: stop a lot of it. Number one. And then you
Speaker 1: have people there on the ground that can minimize the
Speaker 1: ability to hurt, injure and kill other people. And that's
Speaker 1: called a solution to a problem, rather than you know,
Speaker 1: the same points that people make after every shooting and
Speaker 1: then nothing happens. If the idea is we don't want
Speaker 1: to see what we witness yesterday, Seventeen dead kids, fourteen
Speaker 1: or so others, injured, families devastated, broken, I mean, the
Speaker 1: worst thing you can imagine. Do we want? Arguing the
Speaker 1: same points that has gotten us nowhere isn't gonna do
Speaker 1: a thing. I think if you can secure anyone building,
Speaker 1: then you should secure every building. A complete, thorough, comprehensive
Speaker 1: security threat assessment at every school, and then the manpower
Speaker 1: in place. I know it was well, there was an
Speaker 1: arm guard, okay, but the school had multiple buildings and kids.
Speaker 1: We needed more people. And that would be to me,
Speaker 1: be the best. That's the best idea that I can
Speaker 1: think of. You have a better one for one shot.
Speaker 1: So all day I've been hearing, oh, there's been eighteen
Speaker 1: mass school shootings this year. Am I what? I follow
Speaker 1: the news every day? Way eighteen? All the Washington examiners
Speaker 1: now debunked all of this. Uh of the eighteen school
Speaker 1: shootings listed in the by apparently this some gun control
Speaker 1: group to put this out. Uh, every town for a
Speaker 1: gun safety support fund is what they call it. You know,
Speaker 1: A full thirteen of the eighteen did not result in
Speaker 1: even a single student death. And the one death that
Speaker 1: did result from one of those third team was a
Speaker 1: suicide death. I can give you the whole list here.
Speaker 1: It's neither here nor there. All of you know, this
Speaker 1: to me becomes the noise. And if none of us
Speaker 1: you can't watch, if you have a heart, mind and
Speaker 1: soul and not be impacted by what happened yesterday, you
Speaker 1: can't watch these kids one after another. I you know,
Speaker 1: I finally at some point said to Linda, how big
Speaker 1: is this school? Turns out there's thirty kids that go
Speaker 1: to that school, and you'll say, well, they had a
Speaker 1: security guard, arms security guard. It's not enough if you
Speaker 1: give every singles solitary school, a full comprehensive security threat
Speaker 1: assessment by professionals. You implement all of the changes in
Speaker 1: accordance with the fire Marshal. I know there's certain complications
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to work out. You can't tell
Speaker 1: me that we can't do a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: better very quickly, especially by hiring former military, retired military,
Speaker 1: retired police, former police officers, trained officials, trained officers, and
Speaker 1: enough of them. So and and of course you've got
Speaker 1: to control anybody that gets into any of these buildings.
Speaker 1: And I know schools. There are schools that I know
Speaker 1: that literally don't even let parents in until they show
Speaker 1: I d S. So it can be done. It is
Speaker 1: being done. It's being done successfully. There are models, paradigms
Speaker 1: that we can follow. And we'll get your thoughts next Shawn,
Speaker 1: as we continue, all right. The President's folk today to
Speaker 1: the top of the are um, saying he plans to
Speaker 1: head on down to Parkland and addressing obviously the school shooting,
Speaker 1: and he said he's gonna push for action on mental
Speaker 1: health issues making schools more secure. He said it's not
Speaker 1: enough to simply take actions that make us feel like
Speaker 1: we're making a difference. He said, We've got to actually
Speaker 1: make that difference. I don't think I've ever seen the
Speaker 1: president's somber tone, emotional at moments I felt and saying
Speaker 1: the nation's praying for the victims and the families of
Speaker 1: this terrible violence, hatred and evil. He lamented the deaths
Speaker 1: of all these young people that were full of lives
Speaker 1: in front of them, declaring that no child, no teacher,
Speaker 1: no uh, nobody should ever be endanger in an American school.
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be I look, I am
Speaker 1: just convinced we can fix the problem and solve the problem.
Speaker 1: And solutions I think should be everybody's motivation here, not
Speaker 1: political points, not political arguments, not talk points. I think
Speaker 1: one of the saddest things that I saw today, the
Speaker 1: school's football team's Twitter account confirmed the death of this hero.
Speaker 1: Football coach said it's with great sadness that our football
Speaker 1: family has learned about the death of Iron Feiss. It
Speaker 1: said he was an assistant football coach and a security guard.
Speaker 1: He selflessly shielded students from the shooter when he was shot.
Speaker 1: He died a hero. He will forever be in our
Speaker 1: hearts and our memories. Just every time something happens, you
Speaker 1: always just stopped. You think, all these heroes come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Although every apparently this was in this guy's DNA.
Speaker 1: Apparently everybody loved this guy. He passed around midnight tonight
Speaker 1: last night. And uh, just as a hero. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at the police swat sheriff, the superintendent,
Speaker 1: the governor, the Attorney general, rold the president, everybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch these first responders. Everybody did their job phenomenal.
Speaker 1: But I argue that the only way every school needs
Speaker 1: a comprehensive security threat assessment. We did learn a little
Speaker 1: bit more about the shooter. Miami Herald printed today. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it goes on to say friends said he spoke
Speaker 1: little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted
Speaker 1: when they were young by a couple named Linda and
Speaker 1: Roger Cruz. They lived in Long Island, and apparently they
Speaker 1: raised the boys right there in Parkland, Florida. Roger Cruz
Speaker 1: died over a decade ago. His wife, Linda struggled with
Speaker 1: the boy, said a former sister in law. She did
Speaker 1: the best she could. They were adopted. They did have
Speaker 1: some emotional issues, she said. The sister in law said
Speaker 1: that she believed the Cruise was on medication to deal
Speaker 1: with his emotional fragility, adding that his adopted mother was
Speaker 1: struggling with Nicholas the last couple of years. His mom
Speaker 1: died a few months ago, and Cruz moved in with
Speaker 1: the friend, whose family lives in Broward County. They took
Speaker 1: him in, gave him his own bedroom. He worked at
Speaker 1: apparently a dollar store, went to school for at risk youth,
Speaker 1: according to the Fort Lauderdale attorney who was representing the family,
Speaker 1: and apparently he had the A R. Fifteen. The gun
Speaker 1: was to remain locked up, and I guess apparently either
Speaker 1: broke in or he had another key for it. Uh
Speaker 1: the morning yesterday morning said it's Valentine's Day. I don't
Speaker 1: go to school on Valentine's Day. The family had no
Speaker 1: idea obviously this was gonna happen. It looks like a
Speaker 1: lot of people saw a troubled kid and did was
Speaker 1: trying hard to to to help this kid in whatever
Speaker 1: capacity they can. Look it's not easy. If you're you know,
Speaker 1: an intact family, They all of a sudden, you're bringing
Speaker 1: somebody into your home. You just that that's difficult. Katherine
Speaker 1: Herridge was just on with Chep Smith, and she asked
Speaker 1: the FBI if they tried to identify the I P
Speaker 1: address of the computer used to post the men message
Speaker 1: I want to be a professional school shooter. And Herridge
Speaker 1: noted that the IP address should have been easily obtainable
Speaker 1: and it would have been easy to track down Nicholas
Speaker 1: Cruise once they had the IP address. So far, we
Speaker 1: don't have a response. You know, there were Look, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of red flags here. People did say something,
Speaker 1: which is the right thing to do, although I know
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, people are afraid to say stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: what other news do we have here? All right? You
Speaker 1: know what? Let me get to some phone calls. A
Speaker 1: lot of you want to weigh in on this, and uh,
Speaker 1: let's start with Travis and Twin Falls, Idaho. He disagrees
Speaker 1: with me, apparently. What's up, Travis? How are you? Hello?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, sir? Do you I'm good, sir? What
Speaker 1: can I do for you? I really enjoy your show.
Speaker 1: I always listened to it. I'm a school bus driver,
Speaker 1: so I put on one taking the kids home. I
Speaker 1: need to enjoy it. They get to hear a different viewpoint.
Speaker 1: I think that your heart is in the right place,
Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of what you have
Speaker 1: would be very good things to do. I think that
Speaker 1: the problem is that if we if we put this
Speaker 1: idea that it's all on the outside security, that gives
Speaker 1: kids a false sense of security. If we teaches them that,
Speaker 1: you know, they are either helpless victims or criminals in waiting,
Speaker 1: and it teaches them they need to rely on the
Speaker 1: government outside of them to to you know, keep them
Speaker 1: safe and protect them from themselves and from each other.
Speaker 1: I would say that, well, what's what's the alternative. How
Speaker 1: are you going to guarantee that these kids are safer
Speaker 1: in their schools? Give me an idea. I think that
Speaker 1: we should all be treated, we shall be trained to
Speaker 1: be our own first responders. You have Jonathan, come on
Speaker 1: throughout the book. Listen, listen, let me let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. I know this for a fact. Um as somebody,
Speaker 1: for example, that has been trained in the use of firearms.
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now my kids. I've taken
Speaker 1: them to the range, I've taught them gun safety. They
Speaker 1: know everything. They could care less Like I was passionate
Speaker 1: at eleven years of age, um that I wanted a
Speaker 1: bi a good marksman. Everybody has their own individual interest.
Speaker 1: My kids are like, ad that, Okay, that was fun,
Speaker 1: Can we go to eat now? That's about how much
Speaker 1: interest they show. Um. Same with self defense. I trained
Speaker 1: five days a week because I love it. It's something
Speaker 1: that's a passion of mine. But it's also a lot
Speaker 1: of hard work, and it takes a lot of dedication
Speaker 1: and a lot of commitment and a lot of time.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta really run a discipline life to
Speaker 1: do that. Uh. The idea that we're gonna ask kids
Speaker 1: that are teenagers to be the front line of their defense,
Speaker 1: I think is a bit much. I think the answer,
Speaker 1: the solution is we have professionals that secure every building
Speaker 1: in New York City, every big building in New York City,
Speaker 1: every office building in New York City, and most department
Speaker 1: buildings have doorman. And it's near, if not impossible, to
Speaker 1: get into any of these buildings without past sing security.
Speaker 1: So the idea, you know, after all these incidents, that
Speaker 1: that we're just gonna say, all right, you kids, you'd
Speaker 1: be self reliant. I don't see that working. And I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer in individual um responsibility and self reliance
Speaker 1: and all of that. But you know, when you're in
Speaker 1: a controlled environment like this, I don't see that you
Speaker 1: can get out there and start defending yourself if somebody
Speaker 1: comes in unbeknownst to you. Again, you know, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do. We're gonna arm teenagers. That's not gonna happen,
Speaker 1: nor should it happen. So I just disagree, um, And
Speaker 1: you know you gotta ask yourself this question. Forget again.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm asking everybody to put away their
Speaker 1: talking points. If you start giving me talking points, I'm
Speaker 1: moving on. But if you're in any administrative building, I
Speaker 1: don't care where you are, court building, any administrative building,
Speaker 1: and there's an active shooter, would you want to know
Speaker 1: it there were trained professional, armed retired military, trained professional armed,
Speaker 1: retired trained police answers yes, And if you answer no
Speaker 1: to that, I I it makes no sense to me
Speaker 1: at all. It just doesn't. And I think we have
Speaker 1: the capacity, if we have the will, to really put
Speaker 1: security of these kids first, to get the job done. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's say hi to Laurie is in Minnesota. Hi, Laurie,
Speaker 1: how are you glad you called? Thank you? Sean. I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you about our school's program to keep
Speaker 1: our students and teachers safe. And it's a national program
Speaker 1: based on the ALICE program. Are you familiar with that?
Speaker 1: I am not. No. It's an acronym for alert, lockdown, inform,
Speaker 1: counter and evacuate. And essentially what it is is that
Speaker 1: we as teachers and administrators, we all have each other's
Speaker 1: cell phone numbers. And if there there's only one unlocked
Speaker 1: entrance to our school building once all the students are in,
Speaker 1: so there's only one entry point from that point all
Speaker 1: over the building, they try they have cameras to isolate
Speaker 1: where the shooter is. They will isolate the people that
Speaker 1: are in the direct line of content. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: we're not going to evacuate those, but they're going to
Speaker 1: evacuate everybody else around the building. While so, you've had
Speaker 1: a full assessment, you've had a full threat assessment, a
Speaker 1: comprehensive security assessment, and you're you're saying that this works.
Speaker 1: You're saying that based on on your knowledge of all
Speaker 1: these other shootings, if if these plans were put in
Speaker 1: place else where, you believe it would have worked. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I am amazed at the size of the campus
Speaker 1: in Florida. It was huge campus. It was huge, and
Speaker 1: it's bigger than the small towns that I live in
Speaker 1: around here. Well, that means you're gonna have to hire
Speaker 1: more people look securing the perimeter. I mean, if every
Speaker 1: kid that goes into the school and every teacher that
Speaker 1: goes into the school, I have an idea to get
Speaker 1: into both buildings that I work at here in New
Speaker 1: York City. Um, it doesn't bother me. I just pull
Speaker 1: it out of my pocket. I hit the security. Literally
Speaker 1: have to walk through a secure gate every day to
Speaker 1: get into the buildings I work at. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me. Why couldn't every student have that? There were
Speaker 1: more than people that work in the buildings that I'm in.
Speaker 1: These buildings are massive, so I I think that's very doable.
Speaker 1: And then you have, you know, once the kids are in,
Speaker 1: then you have to have some perimeter monitoring of some kind.
Speaker 1: And I don't care if it's done via you know,
Speaker 1: some type of security cameras with somebody actually watching or
Speaker 1: actually having people at at key points around the perimeter
Speaker 1: of the school, then strategically placed within the school. And
Speaker 1: you know, I would bet over time that the kids
Speaker 1: would get to love the police officers that they met.
Speaker 1: I bet they love the former military guys that they met.
Speaker 1: I bet it would be great for relations. They begin
Speaker 1: to understand them, they can talk to the kids. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I remember when I was in school,
Speaker 1: I was best friends with the janitor. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: smoking in the bathroom every chance I got, and he
Speaker 1: never ratted me out. Um. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Laurie and I, Uh, that's a great example. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go go ahead. Last word. The last word is
Speaker 1: I think if those types of people are available to school,
Speaker 1: would welcome them. Agreed, they are available, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: if we asked for volunteers, we'd have probably thousands. Joe
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Thank you so much, Laurie. What's up, Joe?
Speaker 1: How are you Sean? It's a pleasure. Nice to talk
Speaker 1: to you. What can I do for you, sir? Nice
Speaker 1: to talk to you. First of all, ALICE training is
Speaker 1: just uh, you sit through us a hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: sit through a seminar, and then you're certified to go
Speaker 1: teach that training and buy the materials from the company
Speaker 1: that does ALICE training. So you have someone who sits
Speaker 1: through an hour and a half about threat assessments and
Speaker 1: mitigating threats, and then they're supposed to go back to
Speaker 1: their schools and teach them. That doesn't work. What you
Speaker 1: need is a version of school security like Sasha and
Speaker 1: Malia had and now Baron has. Of course, the schools
Speaker 1: that the President's children go to are a much higher
Speaker 1: threat level, so as other schools were, of course looked
Speaker 1: at by security professionals. You mitigate the threats, and then
Speaker 1: there are investments in good cameras that can monitor. Good
Speaker 1: cameras with the right software can monitor a door and
Speaker 1: if any pixel in that changes, it can alert someone. I've, yes,
Speaker 1: I've I'm a disabled American. I've volunteered with a veteran
Speaker 1: owned company. I'm not going to mention their name, and
Speaker 1: they came out of the d D space and have
Speaker 1: tried to help schools with their comprehensive security an enterprise
Speaker 1: system plugging in all their security assets and running it autonomously.
Speaker 1: Listen without giving a lot of details away. I have
Speaker 1: probably one of the most sophisticated home security systems you
Speaker 1: can ever have. After a threat assessment and a security assessment,
Speaker 1: after you know, over the years being in the public,
Speaker 1: I may shock you some people don't like me a
Speaker 1: lot and they made it known they don't like me
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. So I know from firsthand experience what
Speaker 1: these guys can do and how good they are. And
Speaker 1: the equipment is so inexpensive. Now, I mean, to get
Speaker 1: cameras in your home. It's it's so I mean, it
Speaker 1: is just doable for everybody. The cost isn't the issue here,
Speaker 1: the resolve, the desire to fix the problem and solve
Speaker 1: the problem. And um, it's just how many more times
Speaker 1: do we have to go down the same road. It
Speaker 1: happens we have the same boring, typical talking points, nothing
Speaker 1: gets done. How about this time we put real solutions
Speaker 1: in place. And I'm saying to everybody, just transcend your
Speaker 1: political argue. You're not gonna change anybody's mind. Abortion guns,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna change anybody's mind. So let's put the
Speaker 1: security assessment threat assessment every school in the country, even
Speaker 1: nursery school, every school, and then go from there, and
Speaker 1: then every school needs to have that comprehensive plan implemented.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't believe that would not be
Speaker 1: an overwhelmingly successful program. You can't compare ourselves to every
Speaker 1: other countries because we say we're exceptional. The reason I
Speaker 1: raised that is it in this case, we're gonna say
Speaker 1: we're exceptional country. If you look at other pure countries,
Speaker 1: in places like Japan or Western Europe, they do not
Speaker 1: have the incidents of violence against children that we have
Speaker 1: in this country. We we cannot in education and health
Speaker 1: and death by guns, look in the mirror and say, actually,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be exceptional, we need to know we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna improve Washington if you match it against
Speaker 1: public opinion polls of their constituents. Lawmakers in that city
Speaker 1: are failing American people every day. Thank you so much, Brian.
Speaker 1: And that, of course is the question. So much about
Speaker 1: American exceptionalism is wonderful. How different we are from the
Speaker 1: rest of the world is wonderful. The country of opportunity
Speaker 1: and true freedom, and this part of the American exceptional
Speaker 1: story isn't so easy to sell to the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. For President Trump, there's been a theme in
Speaker 1: many of his remarks. After that church shooting in Texas,
Speaker 1: President Trump said it would be a little too soon
Speaker 1: to talk about gun laws. After the massacre in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: he said, we'll be talking quote, we will talk about
Speaker 1: gun laws as time goes on. David, there has not
Speaker 1: been a very serious public policy conversation about gun control
Speaker 1: here at this administration, in this White House. The President
Speaker 1: tweeted today, no child, teacher, or anyone else should ever
Speaker 1: feel unsafe in an American school. We will see if
Speaker 1: this is the one that forces that policy conversation. Yet again.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you cannot have these conversations with
Speaker 1: at least saying um every time. We are the only
Speaker 1: nation that has this kind of violence, and presumably gun
Speaker 1: violence obviously UH in particular focused on our children. It
Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. My daughter is coming home from an
Speaker 1: urban high school in the next twenty minutes. It's UM.
Speaker 1: It's like no other country UH lives or allows themselves
Speaker 1: to live. And here we are another time having a
Speaker 1: discussion about guns as being a security issue for our children.
Speaker 1: I know. I was just talking to a seven year
Speaker 1: old on my show this week who lost her six
Speaker 1: year old friend at a school shooting in in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: She wrote as she wrote a letter to the president,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't have put it better, you know. The
Speaker 1: seven year old said, Mr President, how are you going
Speaker 1: to keep children safe in this country? I have ten
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews. We're talking about bump stocks, We're talking
Speaker 1: about legislation. A child of God is dead. Cannot we
Speaker 1: acknowledge in this country that we can't we cannot accept this.
Speaker 1: I can't do a wolf, so we can't do it.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna get back to you. But you're you're, you're, you're.
Speaker 1: Obviously this is so emotional. Unfortunately it happens all too often,
Speaker 1: and as a result, people say, we've got to learn
Speaker 1: some lessons. Unfortunately, lessons are never never learned. This, according
Speaker 1: to Bill Bratton, the former NYPD commissioner, is yet another
Speaker 1: example of how this country seems to have the sick
Speaker 1: preoccupation with guns and it manifests itself into these really
Speaker 1: terrible mass shootings. This is a sickness that has infected
Speaker 1: the country unchecked and unfettered gun violence. But with every
Speaker 1: deadly shooting in this country, the odds get worse and
Speaker 1: worse and worse. This is who we are right now,
Speaker 1: But is this really who we want to be a
Speaker 1: country where anybody at any time could be shot to death,
Speaker 1: and then when a bunch of people are killed and
Speaker 1: lives are shattered, we are sad and maybe angry, and
Speaker 1: then we forget and we move on until the next time.
Speaker 1: All right, all the predictable arguments that we hear after
Speaker 1: every shooting, and you know this is sadly. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens literally within the hour before we even have
Speaker 1: the details of what happens coming in. You just it
Speaker 1: just goes right there and it's going to end the
Speaker 1: same predictable result. And I've said there's many times I've
Speaker 1: been in radio, thirty years, I've been on TV. Now
Speaker 1: this is my twenty three year. In all these years,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've convinced anybody about my position on
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. The it's not going to change, nor
Speaker 1: is it the answer. So okay, so let's think out
Speaker 1: of the box. Putting those predictable debates aside. Why shouldn't
Speaker 1: the debate in the country be how do we keep
Speaker 1: in this instance, our kids safe in school? Do we
Speaker 1: have the ability to secure every school in America? And
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes. And I think the
Speaker 1: answer is also would be tied into retired military, retired police, officers,
Speaker 1: you know, fundamental security um of of that we do
Speaker 1: every single day. In every building that I walk into
Speaker 1: in New York, you have to be cleared. You you
Speaker 1: don't get to just oh, let me run to the elevator.
Speaker 1: It never happens, and if anybody attempts to do so,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. And and that's pretty much every
Speaker 1: building in New York. That's a post nine eleven world,
Speaker 1: although many places had a lot of these systems in
Speaker 1: place even prior to nine eleven. You just don't get
Speaker 1: to walk into any office building in New York and
Speaker 1: it's secure and it works. And I think at the
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if we decide just
Speaker 1: pick any one school wherever you happen to live, and
Speaker 1: if we decide we're going to keep that school safe,
Speaker 1: absolutely it can be done anyway. So I don't think
Speaker 1: the predict the predictable arguments of productive number one, nor
Speaker 1: do I think they apply number two. Nor do I
Speaker 1: think the facts bear out what everybody seems to you know, say,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, reflexively after something tragic like this happens.
Speaker 1: Joe Eaton is with US program director of Faster's I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Faster Saves Lives dot org. John Lott, he's with
Speaker 1: the he's the president of the Crime Prevention Research More Guns,
Speaker 1: Less Crime, his best selling book, multiple additions out there.
Speaker 1: Welcome both of you to the program. Look, John, I
Speaker 1: mean every single shooting, this is where the media goes,
Speaker 1: this is where people on the left go, and it
Speaker 1: just it becomes, you know, groundhog Day all over again.
Speaker 1: Nothing changes, nothing gets better. I think there is an answer.
Speaker 1: If we decide to secure school we can do it.
Speaker 1: And we've got the manpower. We have enough retired military
Speaker 1: police officers I'm sure would love jobs inside of schools.
Speaker 1: And if you have the proper security measures put in place,
Speaker 1: I think this a lot of this can be prevented,
Speaker 1: or at the very minimum, if something begins to happen,
Speaker 1: it could be minimized. Does that makes sense, I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Look, I'm very frustrated by this.
Speaker 1: I've been making similar arguments since and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I listening to the politicians on TV yesterday coming out
Speaker 1: with different types of proposals like background checks on private transfers.
Speaker 1: I mean President Obama after each of the man's public
Speaker 1: shootings that he's talked about, that was the one type
Speaker 1: of legislation he put forward. I just wish during one
Speaker 1: of his press conferences somebody would have asked him, Miss President,
Speaker 1: can you point to one single mass public shooting that
Speaker 1: if this law had been in effect it would have stopped,
Speaker 1: because at least any of the attacks during this century
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been stopped as a result of having that
Speaker 1: law on effect. You know, you look at some of
Speaker 1: the other things. I was listening to uh Senator Nelson
Speaker 1: from Florida talk about the terror watch list yesterday. All
Speaker 1: you know, one, I think he completely mischaracterized what the
Speaker 1: debate was between the Republicans and the Democrats. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: how is that relevant to this? I think there's a
Speaker 1: simple thing that can be done, and that is allowing
Speaker 1: people in the schools to be able to go and
Speaker 1: protect themselves, to get rid of these gun free zones.
Speaker 1: The one thing that we see happen virtually every time
Speaker 1: over of these mass public shootings have occurred in places
Speaker 1: where we don't allow general citizens to be able to
Speaker 1: go and defend themselves. But you know, I'm not sure though.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, and I have no problem I've carried
Speaker 1: a weapon all of my adult life so UM, And
Speaker 1: I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment. I just am.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to change my mind. And I've
Speaker 1: looked at your book and the many editions of it.
Speaker 1: But I actually think the the idea that teachers in
Speaker 1: a classroom, um are the answer. I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: got to be more systematic than that. I think you've
Speaker 1: got to we now have to say we really want
Speaker 1: to protect schools. These are the security measures that will work.
Speaker 1: These doors must be closed. People are outside the perimeter
Speaker 1: of schools. Uh, then you have people on the inside,
Speaker 1: there's one entering point, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, those are
Speaker 1: basic fundamental things. If we want to secure a white house,
Speaker 1: obviously you know you're gonna have a lot more security.
Speaker 1: But if we want to secure a school, I think
Speaker 1: we can do it. Retired military, retired police. Yeah, they're armed,
Speaker 1: Uh they don't. They can conceal it. It's not like
Speaker 1: they have to walk around with machine guns or or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I just think everybody will have the peace of
Speaker 1: mind then that they know that they have a front
Speaker 1: line of defense right there on the ground. I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe that having a few staff or a couple
Speaker 1: teachers someplace who are unknown to the attacker would dramatically
Speaker 1: alter the equations that we're talking about in terms of
Speaker 1: their incentives to go and do the attack. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not against it, all right, Joe, Now I understood, But
Speaker 1: what I would say is, so much of this discussion
Speaker 1: is about having kind of uniform arm guards or armed
Speaker 1: guards or people that are identified. Is uh, it is
Speaker 1: providing the protection there. If you had somebody who is
Speaker 1: ex milk, you know, law enforcement there and he wasn't
Speaker 1: a teacher, and the students realized that he was there
Speaker 1: in order to do the guarding, that dramatically reduces his effecting.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, though, John, a full comprehensive security assessment,
Speaker 1: and a full comprehensive that would mean, okay, where are
Speaker 1: the areas of vulnerability? How does somebody that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: on the property get on the property? That would mean
Speaker 1: that you know, kids have like, for example, I have
Speaker 1: ideas to get into the buildings that I get into,
Speaker 1: and that you know over time that very quickly in
Speaker 1: the course of a year, that they're gonna know who
Speaker 1: belongs in that school. Who doesn't belong in that school.
Speaker 1: I can even tell you as a parent, you know,
Speaker 1: going to schools sometimes I have to sign in, I
Speaker 1: have to show by license. I mean, uh. And I'm
Speaker 1: not against it at all. I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: it's not any different if we really want to stop it.
Speaker 1: I think there's a solution. Joe, let me bring it
Speaker 1: into this equation. Do you like any of these ideas
Speaker 1: and specifically what you work on? Well, I can certainly
Speaker 1: say I agree with just about everything that both you
Speaker 1: and Mr Lott have said, and actually with quite a bit,
Speaker 1: even the absurd comments that you ran in the promo.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what the Faster Saves Lives program has
Speaker 1: been doing, is giving schools an option with the realities
Speaker 1: they deal with today. I think all of us can
Speaker 1: agree we would love to wake up tomorrow in a
Speaker 1: world where we don't have to worry about violence impacting
Speaker 1: our families or our communities. But the reality is every
Speaker 1: day these school administrators have to wake up wondering if
Speaker 1: violence is going to be a part of their school
Speaker 1: that day. And a lot of these schools are realizing
Speaker 1: that they have the ability to change the outcome of
Speaker 1: these scenarios of looking at everything that has happened. Our
Speaker 1: foundation has been providing this training to schools for over
Speaker 1: five years now. We've worked with over thirteen hundred school
Speaker 1: staff from two twenty five different districts across I think
Speaker 1: it's twelve states at this point. And what we do
Speaker 1: is provide them number one, the ability when this violence
Speaker 1: occurs in their school is the first stop the killing
Speaker 1: as soon as possible, and in fact, lee start the
Speaker 1: medical aid as soon as possible. And then when the
Speaker 1: professionals show up, they actually have live, viable patients they
Speaker 1: can transfer to them instead of victims that we see
Speaker 1: in so many of these situations. The extent, what what
Speaker 1: about the first step is the first step doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be a comprehensive security assessment of every school, But
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. And what I find is by the
Speaker 1: time a school staff looks at the option of having
Speaker 1: firearms as part of their safety plan, either with arms,
Speaker 1: school resource officers or other arms staff in the building,
Speaker 1: these schools already have layer upon layer upon layer of
Speaker 1: protection in the schools, and if a threat is internal
Speaker 1: to their schools, such as from one of their students,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good they can do with setting
Speaker 1: up chip lines, with monitoring social media, with having a
Speaker 1: good run by the way that that all happened here,
Speaker 1: every sign, every bit of evidence that we ever needed.
Speaker 1: You know, if you quote everybody, I know, I'll use
Speaker 1: the quote they joke that he'd shoot up the school.
Speaker 1: It's not wasn't a joke, and it's not a joke.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew. You know, this kid was thrown out of school.
Speaker 1: The FBI was told about this kid. He's he wants
Speaker 1: to be known as a school shooter. So, in other words,
Speaker 1: we we had the signs and said nobody seemed to
Speaker 1: follow up. Is the problem here? But stay right there.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break. We'll come back right as we continue.
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Show one, Shawn, if you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of this extravaganza anyway. Joe Eaton is with
Speaker 1: US program director faster U Saves Lives dot org as
Speaker 1: his website. John Lott, the president of the Crime Prevention
Speaker 1: Research Center and also the author of More Guns, Less Crime. Uh,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people here they go, this is outrageous.
Speaker 1: You went and looked at this on a statistical basis
Speaker 1: that those cities those towns, those countries that have the
Speaker 1: most severe the toughest gun control laws. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So then why does everybody always race to a solution
Speaker 1: that you can prove doesn't work. Well. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of what happens is that people, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: get affected by the news coverage here. They hear about
Speaker 1: bad things that happened with guns. They rarely hear about benefits,
Speaker 1: and so it affects their perceptions about the costs and
Speaker 1: benefits of people having guns to all. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at these mass public shootings. My
Speaker 1: guess is the entire debate that we have right now
Speaker 1: would be dramatically different if the media just reported a
Speaker 1: few things a little bit differently, if they mentioned once
Speaker 1: in a while that these another attack occurred in a
Speaker 1: place where general citizens were banned from having guns. You know,
Speaker 1: at some point they would realize, jeez, it seems like
Speaker 1: almost every time this is happening, you know, percent of
Speaker 1: these attacks are occurring in places where people aren't able
Speaker 1: to go and defend themselves. Yeah, I mean that that
Speaker 1: is a big problem, you know, And I always ask everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, and jil this goes back to maybe the
Speaker 1: program that you're doing here. But you know, if you're
Speaker 1: in any administrative building, here's a question that I think
Speaker 1: is very simple, and God forbid, you are in a
Speaker 1: situation where there's an active shooter, would you prefer to
Speaker 1: have trained retired military that are armed there, trained retired
Speaker 1: police that are armed there at least offering some help,
Speaker 1: some assist in some line of defense. And for me,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, regardless of where you stand on
Speaker 1: the gun issue, I gotta believe the answer would be yes,
Speaker 1: You're right, And that's what we see. We can all
Speaker 1: agree that if they're going to be guns in the schools,
Speaker 1: they cannot be in the hands of criminals or untrained people.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Faster Saves Lives program does is
Speaker 1: give the school staff who are in the school buildings
Speaker 1: this training. What we see in every situation is every
Speaker 1: time one of these events happens, there are certain staff,
Speaker 1: and they're in every school building in the United States.
Speaker 1: When a killer comes into that building, they're going to
Speaker 1: go willingly stand between these murders and these innocent kids,
Speaker 1: and they're going to give up their life to buy
Speaker 1: these kids a few extra seconds of life. As a
Speaker 1: school and as a community, as a nation. If you
Speaker 1: have staff they're willing to go stand between these murders
Speaker 1: and these kids, we owe it to them to say
Speaker 1: you're going there anyway, show up with any tool or
Speaker 1: any training you're comfortable with, so you have some chance
Speaker 1: of going home to your family at the end of
Speaker 1: the night. And that's what the Fastest Eight Lives program
Speaker 1: help schools do. They identify the staff. We trained them
Speaker 1: to a level higher than what we require our law
Speaker 1: enforcement between two. Yeah, just just to me is common sense,
Speaker 1: and that is comprehensive security assessments. Everybody all hands on
Speaker 1: deck and and we do have professionals that are look
Speaker 1: at this coach that you know was shot and killed
Speaker 1: protecting his students. Unbelievable, unbelievable heroism. All right, thank you
Speaker 1: both for being with us. Appreciate your insight, your input.
Speaker 1: Eight nine one, Shawn, if you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of the program, will shift gears a little bit
Speaker 1: in the bottom half hour, we'll check in with Mark
Speaker 1: Meadows and Jim Jordan's this immigration bill that's being pushed
Speaker 1: as a disaster straight ahead. It was very important to
Speaker 1: me with respect to the budget, was Dacca. I did
Speaker 1: not want DOCTA in the budget. I wanted DOCTA separate
Speaker 1: so that we could talk about it and make a deal.
Speaker 1: And I hope to be able to make a deal.
Speaker 1: I hope the Democrats are not going to use it
Speaker 1: just as a campaign. You know, they've been talking about
Speaker 1: data for many years and they haven't produced We started
Speaker 1: talking about DOCTA, and I think we'll produce is. But
Speaker 1: if the Democrats want to make a deal, it's really
Speaker 1: up to them, because we want really tremendous border security.
Speaker 1: But we have to have Democrats support for DOCCA, and
Speaker 1: they are starting that process today. We didn't want to
Speaker 1: have it in the big budget because if we have
Speaker 1: it in the big budget, it's going to get mixed
Speaker 1: up with all of the other things. So now we
Speaker 1: have our military taken care of, and now we start
Speaker 1: very serious DOCCTA talks today, and we are I can
Speaker 1: tell you speaking for the Republican Party, we would love
Speaker 1: to do DOCCA. We would love to get it done.
Speaker 1: We want border security and the other elements that you
Speaker 1: know about chain migration, you know about the visa lottery,
Speaker 1: you know about But we think there's a good chance
Speaker 1: of getting DOCTA done if the Democrats are serious and
Speaker 1: they actually want to do it all right to the
Speaker 1: top of the one sean that was the President talking
Speaker 1: about the ongoing battle right now in the US Senate
Speaker 1: over the immigration Billy said, I'm asking all senators and
Speaker 1: both parties to support the grass Lee bill and to
Speaker 1: oppose any legislation that fails to fulfill these four pillars
Speaker 1: that he talked about during his State of the Union address,
Speaker 1: including opposing any short term band aid approach. Said, the
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of American voters support a plan that fulfills
Speaker 1: the frameworks for pillars, which moves us toward the safe,
Speaker 1: modern and lawful immigration system that people deserve. Now, this
Speaker 1: is the bill that was put out by Senator Chuck Grassley.
Speaker 1: It pretty much talks about It does give on DACA
Speaker 1: for about one point eight million illegal immigrants and twenty
Speaker 1: five million for border security. I assume that's being paid
Speaker 1: up front or else I wouldn't do any deal that
Speaker 1: doesn't give you the money up front to build the wall,
Speaker 1: to end the diversity visa lottery, and phase out jay migration. Uh.
Speaker 1: The bill that seems to be getting the most traction
Speaker 1: is this so called middle of the Road bill. But
Speaker 1: when you have Jeff Flake and Susan Collins authoring this thing,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's not going to be anything like
Speaker 1: what the president wants. As a matter of fact, we
Speaker 1: already no, it doesn't look like what the president wants.
Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's Mark Meadows, Ohio, North Carolina Freedom Caucus Members,
Speaker 1: welcome both of you back to the program to be
Speaker 1: with Sean. Thanks so much. Where are both of you
Speaker 1: on the grass Lee bill? Although obviously the Collins Bill
Speaker 1: and this whatever group of people seem to be uh,
Speaker 1: you know, pushing more towards an amnesty bill and not
Speaker 1: the president's priorities. That's what we're calling it selling. This
Speaker 1: is Jim here, we're calling it the amnesty eight bill. Right,
Speaker 1: you got eight Republicans, eight Democrats in the center. That's
Speaker 1: that's just an amnesty bill, not in any way consistent
Speaker 1: with what the President has talked about and what the
Speaker 1: American people demanded when they put us all in power
Speaker 1: in office in the election. So the best bill is
Speaker 1: the good lab Bill. The second best one is the
Speaker 1: Grassley Bill, But the one that needs to pass in
Speaker 1: the House is Chairman good Laps Bill because it does
Speaker 1: all the things the President talked about, plus thanks to
Speaker 1: where City, plus e verify, plus Kate's Law, all those
Speaker 1: things that make sense. Uh that that those are elements
Speaker 1: that are contained in Chairman good lads legislation. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Congressman Congressman Medows, you know, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, here, we go back to the
Speaker 1: same thing every time, and that's capitulating to the Democrats
Speaker 1: on every single bill. I don't think the Democrats want
Speaker 1: to bill. I think that at least up to now,
Speaker 1: now that the polls have been changing, the President's popularities
Speaker 1: now at a high. You look at the generic ballot numbers,
Speaker 1: they have moved very heavily in Republican direction. I think
Speaker 1: the certainly the economic bill passed at the end of
Speaker 1: the year had a big the tax bill had a
Speaker 1: big part to play in it um And I think, actually,
Speaker 1: if this comes down to a debate, the winning issue
Speaker 1: is securing the borders and securing him first. Well, it is,
Speaker 1: and and this is an issue that obviously the President
Speaker 1: defined himself different than all the candidates that he ran against,
Speaker 1: and and the American people spoke in November they said,
Speaker 1: what we want is someone who will actually address this problem.
Speaker 1: The President has been consistent with that, and yet we
Speaker 1: see over in the Senate right now, this whole debate
Speaker 1: with a few moderate Republicans teaming up with the Democrats
Speaker 1: trying to support a bill that honestly, the President didn't
Speaker 1: campaign on Jim Jordan and I didn't campaign on. And
Speaker 1: and I'm pleased to hear that the White House has
Speaker 1: offered a veto threat UH if that happened to get
Speaker 1: out of the Senate, bravo. I applaud the President for
Speaker 1: doing that, But I can I can tell you that Jim,
Speaker 1: my good friend Jim Jordan, is right. We need to
Speaker 1: put forth the most conservative bill out of the House.
Speaker 1: Let that uh set the debate. And if we do that,
Speaker 1: I think that we'll get a bill that supports the
Speaker 1: four pillars that the President has outlined. Okay, what about that?
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people We always get these
Speaker 1: tax increase, the spending increase, and we never get the
Speaker 1: spending cuts. That's always ten years down the line, and
Speaker 1: it never never happens. You always get the amnesty going
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and six. You always get some
Speaker 1: type of concession from people that didn't respect our laws
Speaker 1: and sovereignty, but you never end up getting the walls
Speaker 1: built and the border secure. How do we ensure that,
Speaker 1: regardless of how this all turns out, that that wall
Speaker 1: gets built. I think number one, it's good for the
Speaker 1: country and are it makes sense for the country. And
Speaker 1: number two, it's good politically because it will be the
Speaker 1: first time we ever got done what we said we
Speaker 1: were going to get done. Yeah, so you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: The American people are not going to tolerate that once again,
Speaker 1: that that they won't buy that that whole line. Oh,
Speaker 1: it will do the amnesty now, but we promise, promise, promise,
Speaker 1: will eventually get to border security. That is not going
Speaker 1: to fly. And the one person they trust on this
Speaker 1: issue is the President United States. So that's why I
Speaker 1: mentioned Chairman good Left legislation, Sean, because it does it
Speaker 1: in the prioritizing way that the American people know it
Speaker 1: has to get done, and the way you've talked about
Speaker 1: it getting done, which is border security wall first, to
Speaker 1: enchain migration, get rid of this crazy sanctuary city policy,
Speaker 1: deal with Kate's Law, get rid of the visa lot
Speaker 1: of all those that that legislation has, like twenty two
Speaker 1: different key policy areas. The first twenty one or everything
Speaker 1: that is common sense in the American people spoke loudly
Speaker 1: and clearly about. And then the last one says, and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're also going to address the doctor situation.
Speaker 1: That's done in the prioritizing fashion and manner that is
Speaker 1: consistent with what we were elected to do. So that's
Speaker 1: why Mark and I for the last several weeks we've
Speaker 1: been pushing the good that legislation. We we tried to
Speaker 1: ramp up to talk about that because that's the one
Speaker 1: that we need to get done in As Mark said,
Speaker 1: where's the leadership on this? Though? Where is Paul Ryan?
Speaker 1: They finally whipped it. They finally whipped it. But let's
Speaker 1: let's let's hope they put the full strength of the
Speaker 1: leadership behind the whip and start persuading people this is
Speaker 1: the right thing to put down first, because it's consistent
Speaker 1: with the American people believe. Why would you let Susan
Speaker 1: Collins and a bill, would you know, Senator Flake go
Speaker 1: through with only Democrats and say somehow, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna passed on. Their plan is okay, they're gonna
Speaker 1: pass Stacca they're gonna provide billion, they say a border security,
Speaker 1: but only give you two point five billion. This is
Speaker 1: over ten years. That sounds to be like John McCain's proposal. Well,
Speaker 1: let's study it, uh in the year. Well, that's just
Speaker 1: the way of punting the problem down the road like
Speaker 1: they always do. That's the same old Washington swamp. Well
Speaker 1: it is the same old swamp. And if you want
Speaker 1: to make sure that the Publican party is in the minority,
Speaker 1: become this November in the House and that we lose
Speaker 1: seats in the Senate. Uh, let's just continue down that road.
Speaker 1: You know, Jim Jordan's says it best. He says, it
Speaker 1: never hurts to do what you promised the American people
Speaker 1: you would do. We said that we were going to
Speaker 1: be tough on uh immigration, making sure that we have
Speaker 1: a secure boarder, making sure sanctuary cities and the like
Speaker 1: are dealt with. And if we don't do that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people are gonna either show up or not
Speaker 1: show up in November. But it will not be good
Speaker 1: news for anybody in our party. And so that's why
Speaker 1: we've got to address this and make sure that we
Speaker 1: actually build a wall. That we don't talk about it,
Speaker 1: that we actually, uh, make sure that we address this
Speaker 1: and don't provide amnesty without fixing the root cause of
Speaker 1: the problem. You know, I'm looking at and this was
Speaker 1: an article on one of the blogs I saw earlier
Speaker 1: today that if you look at the latest numbers, that
Speaker 1: Republicans are doing a lot better generically on the ballot,
Speaker 1: and the President's doing very well at a number of polls,
Speaker 1: better than he has done. And I would attribute a
Speaker 1: lot of it to the economic fallout. Now that people
Speaker 1: are seeing their their taxes cut fairly significantly on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis starting in February, I think they're beginning to
Speaker 1: get the message that, oh, wait a minute, I think
Speaker 1: I've been paying way too much in taxes. Um. This
Speaker 1: is one of the main reasons he won the election,
Speaker 1: So why not. Why isn't the Republican leadership in both
Speaker 1: the House and said it just embracing anything. You're you're
Speaker 1: so rightel And the reason the numbers are up is
Speaker 1: because the tax bill is something we said we would
Speaker 1: do and we did it, and people are feeling the
Speaker 1: impact of that. Right now. The President said he's gonna
Speaker 1: put Neo Gorsets on the court in good conservative the
Speaker 1: court and he did it. The President has said he's
Speaker 1: gonna make Isis backpedal, and they're doing it. The President
Speaker 1: said he was going to put the embassy in Jerusalem,
Speaker 1: and he's doing it. So when the president, that's what
Speaker 1: the American people love about this president. He does what
Speaker 1: he says. And here we come to immigration and if
Speaker 1: and if we can just help the president do what
Speaker 1: he said he was going to do, his numbers are
Speaker 1: going even higher. How many people when you talk to
Speaker 1: when when remember when Nikki Haley said, if you don't
Speaker 1: start voting with us at the United Nations, we were
Speaker 1: going to remember that. The American people love that because
Speaker 1: it's the respect and and focus that there should be
Speaker 1: at places like that. So that's what they appreciate, appreciate
Speaker 1: so much about this president. And if we can do
Speaker 1: that on immigration, all that that that that will be
Speaker 1: so good for his for his approbating, but more importantly
Speaker 1: be good for the country. Both of you have been
Speaker 1: following these stories and involving the abuse of FISA, and
Speaker 1: we have no information today. This was put out by
Speaker 1: the Daily Caller that Bruce or actually hit his wife's
Speaker 1: fusion GPS payments. His wife Nellie actually did some of
Speaker 1: the research for the phony, fake Russian dossier that Hillary
Speaker 1: bought and paid for um and that in and of itself,
Speaker 1: that a mission can be a crime. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. Well, you know, Sean, you've been covering
Speaker 1: this when no one else would cover it, and everybody
Speaker 1: was criticizing you for bringing this to the attention of
Speaker 1: the American voter. And yet now you've been vindicated. Here
Speaker 1: here we are seeing that Bruce Or who actually worked
Speaker 1: for the Department of Justice, his wife was employed by
Speaker 1: the very group that was doing the opposition research. And
Speaker 1: yet they didn't disclose that. Not only did they not
Speaker 1: disclose it to the pis a cord, but now we're
Speaker 1: finding out that they didn't disclose it in terms of
Speaker 1: ethics forms. You know, there's collusion going on, and that
Speaker 1: collusion is not between the President and the Russians. It's
Speaker 1: between the Democrat Party, the Department of Justice, the FBI,
Speaker 1: and really the whole narrative of the deep state trying
Speaker 1: to make sure that they influenced an election. Gotta take
Speaker 1: a break more with Jim Jordan Mark Meadows on the
Speaker 1: other side of this. Right as we continue with Freedom
Speaker 1: caucus members. Their chairman is Mark Meadows. He's from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Former chairman. He got dismissed from the job. Is actually
Speaker 1: laid off and fired. Jim Jordan of Ohio. Do you
Speaker 1: guys have term limits on this? How did that work out?
Speaker 1: The term limits? Both of us are. Was there a
Speaker 1: coup somehow in their uh Mark Meadows chakeing out his
Speaker 1: his wrestling buddy, Jim Jordan. I don't know what happened. Listen,
Speaker 1: I would end up pen on every single time going
Speaker 1: up against the gentleman from no He's he's tough, good
Speaker 1: thing that I know martial arts. I could hurt them. Um.
Speaker 1: But besides that, Look, we have this terrible, terrible school shooting.
Speaker 1: Another tragedy. We've had a lot of them, and I'm
Speaker 1: watching and I almost I get a headache watching the
Speaker 1: same predictable arguments and discussions going on. I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in these predictable talking points anymore. And to me, I
Speaker 1: think there's an answer, and that is every single school
Speaker 1: in the country should have a comprehensive security assessment. After
Speaker 1: that assessment, a plan has got to be organized, and
Speaker 1: that means securing the perimeter of these schools. And that
Speaker 1: would mean hiring former military, retired military retired police. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be armed. Yes, it can be concealed, but
Speaker 1: we've got there is a way to safe in the
Speaker 1: environment in these schools and prevent some of these tragedies
Speaker 1: and at least minimize them if God forbid they break out,
Speaker 1: agree or disagree. Uh, Congressman Jordan's Yeah, I think you're right, son.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many, so many churches now are
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. They have a plan in place,
Speaker 1: and they have some of their some of their parishioners
Speaker 1: who have their concealed carry license are actually coming to
Speaker 1: church with their their you know, armed but obviously concealed
Speaker 1: as a way to to hopefully if if something terrible
Speaker 1: like this ever happens at those locations, they're better equipped
Speaker 1: to deal with it. I think you're right. We may
Speaker 1: have to step this up and figure out the safest
Speaker 1: possible way to deal with evil when it when it
Speaker 1: raises its ugly head, like like we saw again yesterday
Speaker 1: in in Florida. Yeah, Congressman Medals, Yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: other interesting aspect is when when we look and we
Speaker 1: talk to law enforcement officers, they understand how to secure
Speaker 1: our schools. And basically it's a it's a resource issue,
Speaker 1: school resource officers, you know, metal detectors and the like. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we we want to make sure that anybody who goes
Speaker 1: school can do so in a safe environment. And so
Speaker 1: I think that you'll see additional legislation coming from this
Speaker 1: administration that says, let's make sure that we have enough
Speaker 1: resources to protect those students that go Uh to default
Speaker 1: to the normal talking points on both the Democrat and
Speaker 1: Republican side of things is is not appropriate. But I
Speaker 1: agree with you, let's do a real assessment, Sean, and
Speaker 1: make sure that we can provide a safe environment for
Speaker 1: our students. Now, one of the things that everybody said, well,
Speaker 1: we can't afford this, We can't. I said, we can't
Speaker 1: afford not to at this point. And I really believe
Speaker 1: that people have served their whole lives and they're in retirement,
Speaker 1: and I know I have friends of mine that have
Speaker 1: retired five weeks later. I'm so bored. I can't take
Speaker 1: it anymore. And people that have served their whole life
Speaker 1: would probably look at it as an opportunity and a challenge,
Speaker 1: and they'd have a desire, they'd feel an important role
Speaker 1: that they're playing and keeping the local school system safe.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they'd be lining up to do these jobs.
Speaker 1: I think they would be lining up to do the jobs.
Speaker 1: But I think the other part of that is, you know,
Speaker 1: we dispassed a budget that Jim and I were just
Speaker 1: very troubled by the numbers. But we did a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty one billion dollars as a billion with a B.
Speaker 1: Why not take a lion share of that money and
Speaker 1: let's start looking at our school resource officers. If we're
Speaker 1: going to do something instead of growing the size of
Speaker 1: government here in Washington, d C. Let's look at reallocating
Speaker 1: some of those dollars and making sure it goes back
Speaker 1: to our states and local counties to provide additional resources
Speaker 1: for those schools. Let's make sure that there's some kind
Speaker 1: of return. Yeah, I gotta let you both. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not cutting your short here, but Jim Jordan's
Speaker 1: and uh Mark Meadows two of the people that really
Speaker 1: are fighting for the conservative values in this country. If
Speaker 1: not for the Freedom Caucus, it would be a thousand
Speaker 1: times worse than it is for the country and the
Speaker 1: president right now. Thank you both for what you do.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Eight nine for one, Shawn is a
Speaker 1: toll free telephone number. We'll take a quick break, we'll
Speaker 1: come back. We'll continue, all right, News rounds up, information
Speaker 1: overload our Shawn Hannity Show eight d nine for one, Shawn,
Speaker 1: I to play. This is from the Sun from earlier today.
Speaker 1: This is the guy that said he alerted the FBI
Speaker 1: to this YouTube comment about this this shooter Nicholas Cruz
Speaker 1: that you know he wanted to be UH known as
Speaker 1: a professional school shooter. That was literally posted on YouTube.
Speaker 1: He told the FBI. The FBI came to visit him
Speaker 1: the day after he alerted the FBI about all this,
Speaker 1: and then I'm we're gonna play the FBI agent saying
Speaker 1: in yeah, they had information about this comment. Listen to this.
Speaker 1: September two thousand seventeen, I sent a a screenshot of
Speaker 1: a comment on one of my videos. Now people keep
Speaker 1: asking me which video was it. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what video it was. When I saw the
Speaker 1: comment come through on my UH studio app on my iPhone,
Speaker 1: I screenshot of the comment, I hit the report work button,
Speaker 1: reported to YouTube. Of course, they removed the comment and
Speaker 1: then I tried to email it to the FBI. UM.
Speaker 1: I found an email address tips at FBI dot gov.
Speaker 1: Sent it to that email address. I immediately got back
Speaker 1: a m domain air. Basically that email address didn't exist.
Speaker 1: So I looked up the number for UH, our local
Speaker 1: field office, and I called it. I left a message. Well,
Speaker 1: the next day I had two FBI agents standing in
Speaker 1: my office, UM and taking down the information, taking down
Speaker 1: the UH, taking copies of the screenshot, and asking me
Speaker 1: questions that of course I couldn't answer. You know, all
Speaker 1: it was and my channel was a a comment. You know,
Speaker 1: people leave pretty famous comments on a pretty regular basis
Speaker 1: on this channel, UM, and I really didn't think anything
Speaker 1: of it. But what I did think was, you know,
Speaker 1: this comment said I'm going to be a professional school shooter.
Speaker 1: And I knew that I couldn't just ignore that. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, the FBI received information about a
Speaker 1: comment made on a YouTube channel. The comments simply said
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a professional school shooter. No other
Speaker 1: information was included with that comment which would indicate a
Speaker 1: time location for the true identity of the person who
Speaker 1: made the comment. The FBI conducted database reviews checks what
Speaker 1: was was unable to further identify the person who actually
Speaker 1: made the comment. Again, as a native South Floridian, my
Speaker 1: heart goes out to the victims, the families and friends,
Speaker 1: and the entire community. Thank you. If I've heard one
Speaker 1: time in the last twenty four hours, I've heard it
Speaker 1: a thousand. If you see something, say some thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: the guy saw something, reported it to the FBI, did
Speaker 1: all of the right things, and apparently it was widely
Speaker 1: known in the school that this kid was the kid.
Speaker 1: And then of course we have all the social media
Speaker 1: fingerprints of this guy, Nicholas Cruz. All the evidence that
Speaker 1: we needed that this was the guy that would probably
Speaker 1: do something like this was there. People were speaking out,
Speaker 1: people knew what, people said it. Now the question is
Speaker 1: how did we miss it? Because they missed it. And
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming anyone individual. I I I go back
Speaker 1: to what I've been saying all day that every school
Speaker 1: in this country at this point, all of these predictable
Speaker 1: talking points are meaningless to all of us. The priority.
Speaker 1: This isn't a gun debate at this point. This is
Speaker 1: a security debate. And if we want to secure every
Speaker 1: school in America, there's nobody that's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: convince me we can't do it. We it's really a
Speaker 1: matter of a comprehensive security assessment of every school in
Speaker 1: the country and then implementing it with hired military and
Speaker 1: retired police. If we really want to keep our kids safe,
Speaker 1: they would be the front line of defense. Now you say, okay, well, Sean,
Speaker 1: they had enough security guard at the school. The school
Speaker 1: had multiple buildings and thirty kids. That's not enough security.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about. Haraldo Rivera, my friend
Speaker 1: and colleague from Fox News joins us and Jonathan Gillham
Speaker 1: former Well, you have a former Navy seal, Navy seal
Speaker 1: and Air marshal and all around good guy. He's with
Speaker 1: us as well. Horaldo. A lot of people got pretty
Speaker 1: piste off at you on the show last night because
Speaker 1: you started talking about guns. I don't think the guns
Speaker 1: are the issue here. I think if we want to
Speaker 1: secure any building in this country, we have the ability
Speaker 1: to do it, and let's do it. The President agreed, obviously, Sewan.
Speaker 1: His remarks were totally I think in uh keeping with
Speaker 1: the spirit of what you said last night, and I
Speaker 1: just want to remind you, my dear brother, and the
Speaker 1: audience that I agreed with you on that page. You did,
Speaker 1: you did. But they were a hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: A R fifteen type military style assault weapons out there.
Speaker 1: Let's say one percent of the people that own them
Speaker 1: are freaks. One percent is one percent freaks in any
Speaker 1: group of boy Scouts, of of nuns, you pick a group,
Speaker 1: there's one percent of crazy people. So there are a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons that can do thirty some people killed
Speaker 1: with handguns at another school shooting because the guy had
Speaker 1: multiple handguns. Ultimately, you know, the only way that argument's
Speaker 1: gonna worry. Let's say you get rid of a R
Speaker 1: fifteen all right, then the next shooting is with the
Speaker 1: guy that has five handguns and as quick at reloading them,
Speaker 1: and then the next shooting is another type of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that argument, just because I've been around
Speaker 1: the military too often, and Jonathan far more than me. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a reason they've developed the weapon as nifty,
Speaker 1: as handy, as easy to reload as the A R fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's not for shooting ducks. As they said last time.
Speaker 1: I don't care that people get angry at me. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not my my thing. I would not have
Speaker 1: lasted in this business all these decades if I cared
Speaker 1: about people getting mad at me or not. But I
Speaker 1: like your idea, and I have advocated your idea. There
Speaker 1: should be one good guy with the gun at every
Speaker 1: place where there are school children, and the school should
Speaker 1: be as safe as places where we keep I think
Speaker 1: it could be made totally safe. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: do a complete, thorough, comprehensive security assessment on every individual school,
Speaker 1: and then the threat assessment comes back, how many people
Speaker 1: do you need retired police military that are armed, you know,
Speaker 1: in each building, surround the perimeter, make sure there's no
Speaker 1: that nobody gets in that building that doesn't belong in
Speaker 1: that building. We all live in New York. There's not
Speaker 1: a building in New York you can get into Jonathan
Speaker 1: Gillham that you don't have either an idea to get
Speaker 1: him for or a pass from somebody that's in the
Speaker 1: building allowing you up. That's absolutely right now. And you
Speaker 1: know I watched your show last night. I want to
Speaker 1: tell her all though, that I appreciate his passion. I
Speaker 1: really do. And I've seen some fake passion on some
Speaker 1: other networks. It was just ridiculous. He's the real deal.
Speaker 1: That's why we love him, and I understand what he's
Speaker 1: saying that here, here's what I want. Here's what I want.
Speaker 1: Don't understand is from you know, he's been around the
Speaker 1: military very enough to get this. So a military base,
Speaker 1: am a federal building. You can't just go into those
Speaker 1: buildings with an A R fifteen. In fact, if you
Speaker 1: try to approach those facilities, you're you're going to probably
Speaker 1: be shot or you'll be taking down pretty quick if
Speaker 1: you show an aggressive move. That's because they have had
Speaker 1: comprehensive threat assessments. They know the most likely locations that
Speaker 1: people enter an exit. We just had it at the
Speaker 1: n s A that earlier this week where it worked
Speaker 1: effectively and ultimately UM Columbine was done with a was
Speaker 1: not done with the A R fifteen. They had kind
Speaker 1: of a mock up semi automatic weapon and a shotgun.
Speaker 1: And so it doesn't really matter the style of gun.
Speaker 1: A mass killing can be done. It could be done
Speaker 1: with a knife. What we have to do is start
Speaker 1: looking at this from as Shaun is saying, as we
Speaker 1: said on the show yesterday, a security standpoint, but here
Speaker 1: realizes the problem with that is that when as soon
Speaker 1: as politics get involved and law enforcement gets involved, what
Speaker 1: they start doing is they go overboard with these assessments
Speaker 1: and they go into high budget areas when you don't
Speaker 1: need that. You don't need that at all. And I
Speaker 1: talked about the book that Sean wrote the forward for that,
Speaker 1: I wrote Sheet No More, and it teaches people how
Speaker 1: to think like an attacker and how to do a
Speaker 1: threat assessment on their wife. This can be done by
Speaker 1: the school administrators, by the staff, and by the parents,
Speaker 1: by the local law enforcement. You don't need experts to
Speaker 1: come in. You just determine this is the type of
Speaker 1: attack could that could happen. This is the avenue of approach.
Speaker 1: And then you get with the fire marshal. You lock
Speaker 1: as many of the doors from the outside as you can,
Speaker 1: you won't be able to walk them all. And then
Speaker 1: that is where you determine the funnel is that these
Speaker 1: bad guys can come in. And that's where you go
Speaker 1: and you get these former not just necessarily retire but
Speaker 1: former law enforcement veterans that can qualify with a weapon
Speaker 1: and come out there and they can sit a post
Speaker 1: and then you will know if anybody approaches they will
Speaker 1: not be able to get in that building. That is
Speaker 1: ultimately the thing that you want to stop. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the guy you know. Horal though, let me
Speaker 1: let me go to what Jonathan's point is, and I
Speaker 1: forget the exact words you use last night. You called
Speaker 1: it a national emergency. I'm not disagreeing. But if we
Speaker 1: look at what's happened on television, you know, almost in
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of this, the same predictable talking points. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm on radio thirty years, Horal though, I've carried a
Speaker 1: firearm more than half my adult life, more than half
Speaker 1: my life. I've been trained in the use of firearms
Speaker 1: since I'm eleven, and You're never gonna convince me on
Speaker 1: the gun side. I'm never gonna convince you either. But
Speaker 1: if we do a comprehensive security threat assessment of every school,
Speaker 1: and we get the manpower that's necessary, we implement the changes.
Speaker 1: Number one, we minimize the ability of these people to
Speaker 1: get in. And number two, if it happens, we've got
Speaker 1: first responders right there on the ground with the capacity
Speaker 1: to defend. And I think it makes it a whole lot.
Speaker 1: It changes the entire equation. We have a program, No
Speaker 1: Child Left Behind. We should now start a program in
Speaker 1: the spirit of what you and Jonathan have just been saying,
Speaker 1: and what the President said and his idol at heartfelt remarks,
Speaker 1: you have a program where individual school districts can apply
Speaker 1: to a federal grant to secure their school. Now, some
Speaker 1: schools have more highly evolved security systems, they have higher budgets.
Speaker 1: Some schools are you know, they're lucky if they have
Speaker 1: textbooks with covers on them. But with this federal grant
Speaker 1: money where you're not federalizing the problem particularly, you're not
Speaker 1: creating a new bureaucracy. But you have a program where
Speaker 1: any school can and as Jonathan says, in conjunction with
Speaker 1: the fire marshal, because you don't want the next tragedy
Speaker 1: to be the kids in science couldn't get out because
Speaker 1: the door was chained from the outside to prevent intruders.
Speaker 1: Uh So there is some level of complication, But you
Speaker 1: don't need a three hundred page, uh you know, memo
Speaker 1: on it. It used common sense. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Just think of children as our most valuable resource. We
Speaker 1: always we always say that politicians always b s about that.
Speaker 1: Before we get this topic. I just wanted one quickps.
Speaker 1: You know Bernie Carrot, former police commissioner New York City.
Speaker 1: Bernie Carrick wrote an excellent article on a news Max
Speaker 1: I think it is today where he posits, is the
Speaker 1: FBI too concerned about political investigations that the agents aren't
Speaker 1: following up on the kind of tips and clues and
Speaker 1: leads that you recited at the top of the segment.
Speaker 1: We had Bernie on the program yesterday and I thought
Speaker 1: he was amazing. And all right, we'll take a break here,
Speaker 1: we'll come back, will continue more with Horaldo and Jonathan Gillum.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Hannity tonight nineties turn the very latest on
Speaker 1: this and much more on the Fox News Channel. Right
Speaker 1: as we continue, Horaldo Rivera and Jonathan Gillimer with us. Look,
Speaker 1: there's a way to do this. I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: way not to do it, though, and that is if
Speaker 1: we do it the way that we've been doing it,
Speaker 1: same predictable arguments, they go by the wayside, nothing happens.
Speaker 1: You know, I just think, I know you say that,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't know why our nation needs
Speaker 1: Why do we need a million a archiveteam? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know why, I remember you know, I've been around
Speaker 1: guns for I love guns. Guns. You know, guns, they
Speaker 1: whether you're a hunter or you're you're you know, you
Speaker 1: think you're Lawrence of Arabia, whatever it is. But I
Speaker 1: bet you many of the people who own a R
Speaker 1: fifteen type weapons own them because they think they have
Speaker 1: lack of faith in the central government. The black helicopters
Speaker 1: coming to take your weapons. The Second Amendment is going
Speaker 1: to be a race. A lot of it is paranoia,
Speaker 1: and I just it's not Do you see how many
Speaker 1: how would you call a paranoia? How do you call
Speaker 1: a paranoia? Just look, just hang on, just look at
Speaker 1: I've owned are are fifteen. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: times nobody even knows what an ARE fifteen means. You know,
Speaker 1: the difference between an a R fifteen and and and
Speaker 1: another rifle is often just cosmetic. There's there's it's just
Speaker 1: words to most people. And I'm telling you that just
Speaker 1: look at the average weekend statistics of carnage in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me we've cleaned up New York under
Speaker 1: Rudy Julietti, we couldn't clean up Chicago. And if we
Speaker 1: we put our minds to it, I believe we could.
Speaker 1: And I don't think you're going to solve this argument.
Speaker 1: It's not this listen thirty years in radio. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna change anybody's mind, and and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: change your mind, and you're not gonna change mine. I'm
Speaker 1: I believe in the Constitution, the Second Amendment, and because
Speaker 1: some people abuse their freedoms should not impact the right
Speaker 1: of other people's freedoms in my opinion. And it's also
Speaker 1: a very evil, dangerous world. And I always ask everybody, well,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do if somebody breaks into your house.
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna do, Haraldo, You're gonna grab
Speaker 1: a gun. I got to grab a shotgun, which I have,
Speaker 1: which is far more intimidating, but that the the only thing.
Speaker 1: He's my lad better you better hope there's there's fewer
Speaker 1: than two people there, and well it's it's a rossy
Speaker 1: overland two shot and that's if it takes more than
Speaker 1: two shots, and Johnson will tell you then you're screwed anyway.
Speaker 1: But I want getting a powerful weapon like that to
Speaker 1: be at least as hard as getting a commercial driver's
Speaker 1: license for a semi truck. If you can, if you
Speaker 1: can have the test to get a semi rig license,
Speaker 1: then you could have That's how hard I wanted to
Speaker 1: be to get a powerful weapon. Well to give to
Speaker 1: give Jonathan the last word, we gotta move on. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Hodo wants that you want to dry, you want to
Speaker 1: to gun, you have to be able to drive an
Speaker 1: a eteen wheeler. Okay, you know, I think listen again,
Speaker 1: this is like not the world that we live in.
Speaker 1: We we have to look at reality. We're not going
Speaker 1: to get rid of the guns. You can take away
Speaker 1: all the legal guns. You can make it much harder.
Speaker 1: There will always be bad guys with guns always, and
Speaker 1: so it's best if we start asking the right questions,
Speaker 1: if we start looking at security, and if we can
Speaker 1: eliminate the ability of these people to get into the schools,
Speaker 1: there won't be these mass shootings. And then we can
Speaker 1: have a discussion later on and you'll see that the
Speaker 1: reality about these weapons is that there's very few people
Speaker 1: that have them that are doing bad things. We're just
Speaker 1: allowing them to get into places where they can do
Speaker 1: a lot of harm and that needs to stop. All right.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you both of being with us,
Speaker 1: say a hundred nine for one. Shawn is a toll
Speaker 1: free telephone number. The President's very touching comments, some of
Speaker 1: the other sounds from yesterday, Shaw and Hannity is on
Speaker 1: and I said promised earlier, the President gave an address unbelievable,
Speaker 1: emotional and passionate address at the White House today. We
Speaker 1: also have witness accounts and Sheriff Israel of Broward County
Speaker 1: and and a lot of the sounds from this attack.
Speaker 1: And we put this together for you. This this can
Speaker 1: be solved. This problem, Help us solve the problem. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I had to go to victim. He's by
Speaker 1: the by the entrance to West Glade on the west
Speaker 1: side of the school for my actions being on the fide.
Speaker 1: And what I hear is we don't know if we're
Speaker 1: end the building in front of the thirteen building Building
Speaker 1: thirteen seventeen can form our comper energy boiage by us.
Speaker 1: The pain's the pain we have to the zame Moor.
Speaker 1: Can we get a positive confirmation on Nicholas Cruise being
Speaker 1: detained uniform one five, one three four confirmed Nicholas Cruises
Speaker 1: and custody one co. I had a lot of gunshots
Speaker 1: and then right after when the police like let us
Speaker 1: out there was dead bodies everywhere, like there's two there,
Speaker 1: and then when I kept walking down there was more.
Speaker 1: It was just scary. We were just in class waiting
Speaker 1: like do notes and talking about our projects. In the
Speaker 1: fire alarm goes for the second time in the same day,
Speaker 1: which is weird. So we all just go out into
Speaker 1: the field like we're supposed to, and then I hear
Speaker 1: like like gunshots, like you can tell, and then definitely gunshots.
Speaker 1: Usually whenever firelarm goes off, it's usually just like culinary
Speaker 1: and accent or nothing. But it was really odd to
Speaker 1: have two firelarms in one day. Like it was the
Speaker 1: end of the cool day, and the fire alarm went
Speaker 1: off and we went to evacuate, you know, I just did.
Speaker 1: It was a fire drill. And then we got meaning
Speaker 1: fifteen honey steps up out of the classroom and we
Speaker 1: were cool that we were on cold read and we
Speaker 1: ran back inside to the classroom. They got down, crossed
Speaker 1: down on the floor, and then we moved into the closet.
Speaker 1: Friend of mine teaches on the front in the freshman building,
Speaker 1: and she said that as she was leaving that there
Speaker 1: were bodies on the floor, So I I don't know
Speaker 1: who it is and I don't know why, but I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is the type of situation that we've
Speaker 1: we just had a training about this, you know, not
Speaker 1: maybe like six weeks ago, about how to deal up
Speaker 1: the situation. And if we haven't had that training, it
Speaker 1: could have been you know a lot words. In fact,
Speaker 1: a lot of us probably thought that this was with
Speaker 1: drill that we were supposed to have, you know, this
Speaker 1: semester to practice, and it wasn't. It was a thing
Speaker 1: I managed to twitter nineteen caes in the closet with me.
Speaker 1: How long have you have to be there? Um less
Speaker 1: than a minute or less in a minute, then you're
Speaker 1: cleared pretty quick. Foll No, we were in the closet
Speaker 1: for probably forty minutes, Like we we were locked in
Speaker 1: the closet until slog came and got us and took
Speaker 1: us somewhere else and then took up the brails. And
Speaker 1: now we're you know, standing out on the street and
Speaker 1: kids are you know, very finding their parents. Wow, that
Speaker 1: certainly paints a picture. So you just heard an interview
Speaker 1: with a teacher who said that they just trained for
Speaker 1: the six weeks ago when this mass shooting happened. A
Speaker 1: few hours ago, She said, she put numerous students in
Speaker 1: a in a closet and waited there for forty minutes.
Speaker 1: For like dirty minutes, we were just like praying and
Speaker 1: crying and and then the police came and we just
Speaker 1: got out. I was praying to God, thinking that he
Speaker 1: could save us all in that we could make it
Speaker 1: a book. I called my parents and it's just all crazy,
Speaker 1: and like all you could think about is, oh, my God,
Speaker 1: my family, my friends, everything like pt you never think
Speaker 1: of what happened to you, but it does. Kids were
Speaker 1: freaking out, some kids frow some kids were on their phones.
Speaker 1: A lot of were on their phones just trying to
Speaker 1: snapchat everything, saying that it was a joke. Again, it
Speaker 1: wasn't there's kids freaking out, students bringing out teachers. It
Speaker 1: was the sucks. I was sitting in class the bottom
Speaker 1: floor the freshman building, and all we heard was gunshots
Speaker 1: were fifteen round shoot the ceiling. We all dove to
Speaker 1: the left side where the windows were. Our teacher told
Speaker 1: us to get to the side closest to the door,
Speaker 1: so we all ran behind the desks. The shooter. The
Speaker 1: good thing the doors locked. The shooter shot through the door,
Speaker 1: poked in shaw a couple of people next to me.
Speaker 1: I was sitting right behind a cabinet in the bullet
Speaker 1: pass that you're gotta go next to me. We couldn't
Speaker 1: help anybody in the time because we had to stay quiet.
Speaker 1: Megan Hill, Megan, thank you for taking the time to
Speaker 1: join us. You're a junior, as I understand it. Um,
Speaker 1: you're in a room, this door is locked. This guy shooting.
Speaker 1: Take it from there. What happened from there? Megan, Um,
Speaker 1: as the shooter was in the hallway, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I was the first room. He stopped through the glass window,
Speaker 1: did not open our door, and he turned the gun
Speaker 1: towards the side of the wall was the students were sitting.
Speaker 1: He shot four people. One was dead. There are three
Speaker 1: other injured. A girl was shot in her ribs. A
Speaker 1: girl um a bullet clipped to the top of her kneecap.
Speaker 1: I was told to stay calm. All I wanted to
Speaker 1: do was help, but I knew that could everybody's else
Speaker 1: life in jeopardy. After ten minutes, I finally couldn't stand anymore.
Speaker 1: I took off my bean jacket. I threw it over
Speaker 1: the desk and had someone trying to help the girl
Speaker 1: front of me. I'm not sure if she was a
Speaker 1: hold that been jacket, but I tried my hardest. Everyone
Speaker 1: was trying to stay calm. I finally got a hold
Speaker 1: of my sister Mackenzie. He was in the second four bathrooms,
Speaker 1: got into a door safely and the teacher they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to open the door for a policy on code red.
Speaker 1: But he luckily been He saved her. She was put
Speaker 1: into a room and survived, and it was a very traumatizing.
Speaker 1: We were told to leave the building. They told it.
Speaker 1: The one out left it, heads down and run straight
Speaker 1: to Fine Islands. There are bodies on the floor. The
Speaker 1: sun was shot tonight, shot arm, he said. One of
Speaker 1: the local area hospitals. I'm being told he's being treated
Speaker 1: with non life threatening injuries. Thank god. Um, if you
Speaker 1: are on a website and you know something and you've
Speaker 1: seen something, you see a person with rifles and weaponry,
Speaker 1: and you see something that's not right, you owe it
Speaker 1: to your family, you owe it to your community, and
Speaker 1: you owe it to law enforcement to make this a
Speaker 1: safer nation by calling up someone tonight, call up the FBI,
Speaker 1: call it the browd. Shriff's office and call up someone
Speaker 1: tonight and let them know that you have information or
Speaker 1: something's not right. You could prevent a major tragedy like that,
Speaker 1: like this devastation that happened in Parkland yesterday. A school
Speaker 1: filled with innocent children and caring teachers became the scene
Speaker 1: of terrible violence, hatred, and evil. Around two thirty he
Speaker 1: has thurday afternoon, police responded to reports of gunfire at
Speaker 1: Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, a great
Speaker 1: and safe community. They're a shooter who is now in custody,
Speaker 1: open fire on defenseless students and teachers. He murdered seventeen
Speaker 1: people and badly wounded at least fourteen others. Our entire nation,
Speaker 1: with one heavy heart, is praying for the victims and
Speaker 1: their families. To every parent, teacher, and child who was
Speaker 1: hurting so badly, we are here for you, whatever you need,
Speaker 1: whatever we can do to ease your pain. We are
Speaker 1: We're all joined together as one American family, and you're
Speaker 1: suffering is our burden. Also, no child, no teacher should
Speaker 1: ever be in danger in an American school. No parents
Speaker 1: should ever have to fear for their sons and daughters
Speaker 1: when they kissed them goodbye in the morning. Each person
Speaker 1: who was stolen from us yesterday had a full life
Speaker 1: ahead of them, a life filled with wondrous beauty and
Speaker 1: unlimited potential and promise. Each one had dreams to pursue,
Speaker 1: love to give, and talents to share with the world.
Speaker 1: And each one had a family to whom they meant
Speaker 1: everything in the world. Today, we mourn for all of
Speaker 1: those who lost their lives. We comfort the grieving and
Speaker 1: the wounded, and we heard for the entire community of Parkland, Florida,
Speaker 1: that is now in shock and pain and searching for
Speaker 1: answers to law enforce, first responders and teachers who responded
Speaker 1: so bravely in the face of danger. We thank you
Speaker 1: for your courage. Soon after the shooter, I spoke with
Speaker 1: Governor Scott to convey our deepest sympathies to the people
Speaker 1: of Florida and our determination to assist in any way
Speaker 1: that we can. I also spoke with Florida Attorney General
Speaker 1: Pam Bondi and Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel. I'm making
Speaker 1: plans to visit Parkland to meet with families and local officials,
Speaker 1: and to continue coordinating the federal response. In these moments
Speaker 1: of heartache and darkness, we hold onto God's word in Scripture.
Speaker 1: I have heard your prayer and senior tears. I will
Speaker 1: heal you. We trust in that promise, and we hold
Speaker 1: fast to our fellow Americans and their time of sorrow.
Speaker 1: I want to speak now directly to America's children, especially
Speaker 1: those who feel lost, alone, confused, or even scared. I
Speaker 1: want you to know that you are never alone, and
Speaker 1: you never will be. You have people who care about you,
Speaker 1: who love you, and who will do anything at all
Speaker 1: to protect you. If you need help, turned to a teacher,
Speaker 1: a family member, a local police officer, or a faith leader.
Speaker 1: Answer hate with love, answer cruelty with kindness. We must
Speaker 1: also work together to create a culture in our country
Speaker 1: that embraces the dignity of life, that creates deep and
Speaker 1: meaningful human connections, and that turns classmates and colleagues into
Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. Our administration is working closely with local
Speaker 1: authorities to investigate the shooting and learn everything we can.
Speaker 1: We are committed to working with state and local leaders
Speaker 1: to help secure our schools and tackle the difficult issue
Speaker 1: of mental health. Later this month, I will be meeting
Speaker 1: with the nation's governors and attorney generals. We're making our
Speaker 1: schools and our children safer will be our top priority.
Speaker 1: It is not enough to simple we take actions that
Speaker 1: make us feel like we are making a difference, we
Speaker 1: must actually make that difference. In times of tragedy. The
Speaker 1: bonds that sustain us are those of family, faith, community,
Speaker 1: and country. These bonds are stronger than the forces of
Speaker 1: hatred and evil, and these bonds grow even stronger in
Speaker 1: the hours of our greatest need. And so always, but
Speaker 1: especially today, let us hold our loved ones clothes, let
Speaker 1: us pray for healing and for peace, and let us
Speaker 1: come together as one nation to wipe away the tears
Speaker 1: and strive for a much better tomorrow. Thank you and
Speaker 1: God bless you all. Thank you very much. You know
Speaker 1: what we're saying here is um You know you hear that.
Speaker 1: I think this has to be and can be the
Speaker 1: last time this happens. You know, think of where you
Speaker 1: were yesterday or whatever time, and you turn on your
Speaker 1: television set and there you see the seemingly endless line
Speaker 1: of kids coming out of a school, now, some of
Speaker 1: them having witnessed, some bodies on the ground, some not
Speaker 1: alive and and live shattered, and some losing their friends,
Speaker 1: some of just losing people that were in the school
Speaker 1: shooting in the school. And then you think of the
Speaker 1: seventeen families now that have spent the day with a
Speaker 1: corner probably a funeral director, and now have to deal
Speaker 1: with the loss of a child, and you think of
Speaker 1: the you know, how do we stop that without the predictable,
Speaker 1: same old talking points debate to get nothing done. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll have more on this tonight. We hope you'll join us.
Speaker 1: Full coverage of all of this, the latest, nine eastern
Speaker 1: on Hannity on the Fox News Channel. All right, that's
Speaker 1: gonna wrap things up at today. We'll have the latest
Speaker 1: on the shooting that took place yesterday, seventeen dead, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and of course we'll have the very latest on memo gate,
Speaker 1: visor gate and everything else. Sarah Carter. Much more full
Speaker 1: coverage tonight. We hope you'll join us a d v R.
Speaker 1: Hannity nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel. Many prayers
Speaker 1: to the community down in Florida. Our thoughts and prayers
Speaker 1: with Parkland and all these families and what they're going through.
Speaker 1: It's so tough of them, Thanks for being with us,
Speaker 1: See you tonight. Back here tomorrow