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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: our Friday morning podcast. Before I get to Steve Smith,

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Speaker 1: who's going to make it into the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: I imagine it's time for fake questions and real answers.

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Speaker 1: We do this every Friday. These are questions I want

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Speaker 1: to answer, but I don't want to have to wait

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Speaker 1: for you to ask them to me, So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to ask them to myself. Fake questions, real answers. First question,

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, which commissioner do you think did the best

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Speaker 1: job handling the COVID pandemic? What a question? Listen. The

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Speaker 1: typical answer is Adam Silver because he had to go

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Speaker 1: in a bubble. But there's a commissioner I think had

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Speaker 1: more guts, UFC Commissioner Dana White. Listen. When the pandemic

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Speaker 1: started shutting everything down, leagues reacted differently, as they should.

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Speaker 1: Each league had its own unique set of circumstances. NFL,

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Speaker 1: NBA baseball have wide travel schedules, large rosters of athletes

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Speaker 1: and staff. Now the USC is different. Handful of fighters

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Speaker 1: only needed one location. But what they really needed most

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Speaker 1: was a commissioner that didn't run in fear. Anytime you

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Speaker 1: are the first to do anything, you get the most blowback.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to be second, third, and fourth. But Dana

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Speaker 1: White stepped up. UFC was the first major sport to

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Speaker 1: come back after the initial shutdown. PAC twelve ran in fear, suffered,

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Speaker 1: Ivy League opted out, a basketball suffered. Dana White took

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Speaker 1: so is courage. The question is how do you handle

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Speaker 1: an attack it? Minimize it? And while others backed away,

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Speaker 1: Dana White was relentless, a great quality for our athletes

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Speaker 1: and our commissioners. Second question, Dear Colin, why are baseball

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Speaker 1: Baseball when NBA ratings are down? Another terrific question. People

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Speaker 1: always want to blame a lot of different factors. I

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty simple. Fans want to see stars play

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Speaker 1: the games. Live sports still work the way traditional TV

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Speaker 1: has always worked. Viewers like me or you flipped through

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Speaker 1: channels and we stop when we see a big star,

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Speaker 1: a recognizable face. Last week, ESPN was promoting the Bucks

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Speaker 1: Lakers game on the ad the faces Ryannis and Dennis Shrewder.

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Speaker 1: No offense to Dennis Shrewder, but I've seen DVDs in

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Speaker 1: the bargain, been at Walmart with more star power. Right now,

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Speaker 1: the stars are healthy and they're playing, and frankly, it's

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Speaker 1: just better television. Third question, Dear Colin, why are you

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Speaker 1: always talking about how great it is to live in California?

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Speaker 1: Have you checked the tax rate or do you enjoy

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Speaker 1: like a luxury tax. You want to live in luxury,

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Speaker 1: Kauai and Paul, George Lebron and Ad. Yeah, they pay

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Speaker 1: and entertainment. That's got value. It's worth the price. Cincinnati's fine,

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Speaker 1: Now you may say, why not Florida. Again, it's not California.

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Speaker 1: Fourth question, Dear Colin, just admit you're a Sam Donald homer.

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Speaker 1: Everybody seems to know it's over for Donald except for

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. And you listen. Do you bail on a

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Speaker 1: Carter the corn the corner that played in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: had you know, had Dale Carter Dale Cardale Carter Man

425
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Speaker 1: Dale Carter jammed me one time and I was like

426
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Speaker 1: in my second year with New York, my second year

427
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: at starting wide receiver, and there was I was in

428
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: the slot. There was in the slot man Dale jammy

429
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: so hard. He jammed me so hard and threw me

430
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Speaker 1: down to the ground. When I got up, my face

431
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: mask like this, right. Just things like that where Dale

432
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: knew the coverage, he knew the route patterns, and so

433
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: he knew getting speed to eliminate speed get up on him.

434
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: And there was six two physical and just those little

435
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: things really said something to me. And so when I

436
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: when you ask me that question, the answer is not

437
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: which corner is the scheme? Who was the coordinator? And

438
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: then I can tell you the corner because the corner

439
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: can play well in one scheme, go to another one

440
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: and look like a bone, right, like you a great

441
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: example of of a guy. And I always remember Jason David.

442
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Remember Jason David had two first names. He played well,

443
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: and Indie won the Super Bowl. Man Indie plays him

444
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: when he goes to New Orleans, get that big contract.

445
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: And remember that first first game they ran, It was

446
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: like a they ran a train on him. Let's just

447
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: call it what it is. They Marvin and Reggie were

448
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: taking terms running around, so he gave up so many

449
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: yards that year, right, but a scheme. Who was the

450
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: coordinator Jim Haslin, Jim Hallett was always relying on let

451
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: me get a good corner, let me bletch you. Mike McKenzie,

452
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: al Al Harris, Ray Bu Cannon, Ashley Ambrose, right, UM,

453
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Eric Davis with Detroit and with San Francisco, like so

454
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: many different guys, Jimmy, Jimmy Hitchcock when he was with UM,

455
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, right, Antoine Winfield as well, what he

456
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: was able to do UM. So it was a lot

457
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: of different corners. I'm Brian Kelly from USC with Tampa

458
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Bay and then Brian would get in your face and

459
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: then Ronde with Lawyer to sleep playing that zone. So

460
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: it all varied, man, And that's the thing that that's

461
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: the unsexy answer, But that's the football and the analysts

462
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: in me where I'm just I'm not gonna tell you

463
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: why this guy is good. I believe he's good, but

464
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: he also understand stands defense and the defense coordinator understands him.

465
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Like Leslie Fraser Man. I played against Leslie so many times.

466
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: I got to Baltimore. He was a dB coach man.

467
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: I picked Leslie's brain all the time on what he

468
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: was saying. If I heard it, you know, hey, don't

469
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: bite on the first move. So what I would do.

470
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: I would give the receiver the corner. I would give

471
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Speaker 1: a corner two moves and then get him on the

472
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Speaker 1: third because they would said, don't bite on the first move,

473
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Speaker 1: or if I get the first move, you don't bite

474
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Speaker 1: on it. Well, I give you the first move. I

475
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: know you don't go not gonna bite on. Then I

476
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Speaker 1: get the second move, so I give you that. I

477
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: give you this the inside route, and I know you're

478
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: not gonna buy it on it, but I'm doing that

479
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: to straighten you up to even you give you the

480
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: outside move, you're gonna buit it on it. Then I

481
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: go back inside. I would always learn their rules and

482
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: then I would be a rule breaker. So I learned

483
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: their rules, use their rules against them to get open

484
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: and understanding what coordinator was to know how to do that,

485
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: because even the player would not go against the scheme. Right,

486
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: You know, Carolina, really well some days I do. I

487
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: actually think Darnald fits, Matt ruland Brady, Robbie Anderson, they

488
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: want to be more of a big play offense, throw

489
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: it down the field. Teddy's not a big arm guy.

490
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Sam's bigger, stronger, more athletic. He's more of a risk taker.

491
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: I think it works to what level, I don't know,

492
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: but I would argue I think Carolina's offensive talent outside

493
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: of left tackle it's pretty good. I think Dj Moore's

494
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: a pretty good player. So I mean you, I'm sure

495
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you watched Carolina last year. Can they be viable? Can

496
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Darnald fit quickly? Will will? It's at a system you

497
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: can learn quickly with Matt ruland Brady Well. What I

498
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: love about why I think it's a good fits because

499
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: let's be honest, people are like, man, I don't I

500
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't understand why you bring in

501
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. That's stupid. The problem is is it fair

502
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: to evaluate a quarterback that's on the team or that's

503
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: on the team who is trying to get themselves together.

504
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: The young man has been under drest from day one.

505
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: It's not It's not fair to him, right. You know,

506
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are one of these things. Quarterbacks when they when winning,

507
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get all the glory and when losing to a

508
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: certain extent, you know, sometimes they want to place blame,

509
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: but but my blame is not the players. It's look

510
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: how good Robbie Anderson has looked here in Carolina versus

511
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Speaker 1: what he looked like with the Jets. Look at at

512
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Speaker 1: I want to see what Sam Donald can do when

513
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Speaker 1: he has time and not under duress. We have never

514
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: seen a quarterback perform well under pressure under durest probably

515
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: one of the best young talents we got out here,

516
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: and we just saw him play in the Super Bowl

517
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: where he did not accumulate four hundred and ninety seven yards.

518
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: That's how many yards he ran around for his life

519
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: in the Super pattle Patrick Patrick Mahomes in losing, so

520
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: he did not accumulate four hundred ninety seven yards rushing.

521
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: Now that's how many yards he ran around for his life, right,

522
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: and that says something. So if Patrick Mahomes is not

523
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Speaker 1: effective under duress, why isn't it Sam Donald? Is he

524
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Speaker 1: gonna be effective under duress? How are you gonna say, said,

525
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: go five step dropping three steps into your five step drop.

526
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: You're getting supplex And this is not Smagna. Another Carolina question.

527
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: I've been critical of cam although I actually thought after

528
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: COVID last year, he was pretty good. I thought down

529
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the stretch he actually played pretty well. Cam Azoa is

530
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: an interesting guy. So in my life, quarterbacks, the great

531
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: ones have usually been pretty stoic, professional adult. Cam comes in.

532
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: He's a big personality. He's a lot of flair, he's

533
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of fashion, he's got big opinions. He's different,

534
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: he's young, he's youthful, And I remember thinking it's just

535
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: is he the personality of a quarterback? But obviously he

536
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: got to a super Bowl? Why don't you think it

537
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: worked longer in Carolina? I mean, who gets the blame? Cam?

538
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: Cam never had back to back winning seasons, but he

539
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: had you, he had good play. They usually had pretty

540
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: good defenses. Ron River's a pretty good head coach. In

541
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: the end, you look at Cam and Carolina. What went wrong?

542
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, that's a hard that's a hard answer.

543
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: And the reason why it's a hard answer is kind

544
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: of like where sometimes it's hard to answer why a

545
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: team isn't or isn't where they should be. When I'm

546
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: an analyst, especially in COVID, not allowed to get into

547
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the you know, get into training camps and OTAs and

548
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: talk to the to the general managers and coaches and

549
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of get the ins and out of

550
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: how things are going right. And the reason I'm saying

551
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: all this is when I was let going Carolina, I

552
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: was in my thirteenth year when Cam was drafted. I

553
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: had just turned I think thirty something. So the camp,

554
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, and people always they always thought I was

555
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: evading and not. But here's the thing. The Cam Newton

556
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: that I see today. He wasn't a father when we played.

557
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't he wasn't a league MVP. There were things

558
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: in his life that change. And so I can't sit

559
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: here and say, man, I know Kim when I don't.

560
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: And to be honest, in a month, i'll be forty two.

561
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Kim doesn't know sooner to be forty two Steve Smith.

562
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: You know why, because I barely know forty two year

563
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: old Steve Smith. And I think it's and I don't

564
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: think it's appropriate for me to say this is why,

565
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: because the last three years when I was in Baltimore

566
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Speaker 1: and then after I retired, I wasn't around any one.

567
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I just can't any one. I haven't been in that

568
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: locker room on a consistent basis for eight hours out

569
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: of six months for seven years. It is no way

570
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: that I can sit here and say that I know

571
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: why it went wrong with Kim Newton. Then when do

572
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: you get a new head coach? He also get a

573
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: new general manager, a new owner, like a lot of

574
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: moving parts, new prayer in all that stuff. And for

575
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: me to say this is what I know and why

576
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: I went wrong, I just don't do it like some

577
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: of these other guys do it on TV. Whatever'll say

578
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, this is why, because honestly I don't know.

579
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, you tell you watch film if you go look,

580
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: since twenty ten, I think it is eleven years, there

581
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: has been like one hundred and thirty quarterbacks drafted. Eleven

582
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: have hit eleven or Mahomes Josh Allen, you know you

583
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: know who they are eleven out of one hundred and thirty.

584
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: When you watch film on all these young quarterbacks, are

585
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: we all just guessing? Or are there one or two?

586
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: You do look at Steve and go, that's just gonna

587
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: work to some agree you are guessing because here's a problem.

588
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: Let me show you my it's my book information right here,

589
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: and here's all that paperwork says the name, college, year, age, position, honors,

590
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: twenty yard shuttle, hands bench, forty ten, vertical jump, broad

591
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: jump stats, injuries, huge strengths, weaknesses, summary, final gray. You

592
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: know it's messing on that paper because they don't have

593
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: a machine or staff to do it. Heart. You can't

594
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: measure a young man's heart by what he doesn't a vertical.

595
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: You can't measure a man how he deals with adversity.

596
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Right and and and here's a great example. People killed

597
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: me about Josh Rosen. You remember my little tent. You're

598
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: on Josh Rosen? You know what? You know what I

599
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like I'm a Catholic priest

600
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: right now because there's a lot of people ain't saying nothing.

601
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Where is Josh Rosen right now? What rosters he's on?

602
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: He's a fourth receiver with guess what number? Pick number three?

603
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Pick the San Cisco forty nine ers. You think Josh

604
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Rosen is gonna be staying with the forty nine ers.

605
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: He was so classy, and he went down to to

606
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: to Miami, and then they got to well before to

607
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: they gave him a job and he got out there

608
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: for a quarter and he did exactly what he did

609
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: in Arizona. You know, people got on me about that,

610
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: and they say, oh, Steven's death, and Steve's a hater.

611
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: He's the he's the uncle that man. I just saw that.

612
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: This was a young kid when he when they got

613
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say, not he you can't that paperwork

614
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: doesn't have heart. And this is the air I'm from.

615
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: When they when they drafted Kyler Murray instead of Josh

616
00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Rosen un following Kyler Murray un following the Arizona Ardens,

617
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I would have loved to tweet that says, hey, Kyler,

618
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: see you in the morning. He should have been early

619
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: up at Arizona to establish I may lose my job,

620
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna lose it without a fight. Because

621
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: this is the same kid when they drafted him. What

622
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: did he say, you may you made nine mistakes prior

623
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: to me. If that ain't putting your stuff on the

624
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: on the desk, I don't know what it is. And

625
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, a little bit at versity

626
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: come and I get to see that your kool a

627
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: valve came a loose on your heart. This is a

628
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: this is a career. They have a draft every year.

629
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: For my sixteen years, they had a draft. It was

630
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the same time every year, and they and when a

631
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: team drafts someone, they they are saying, maybe not to me,

632
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: but somebody on the squad, and we drafted this left tackle.

633
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: They're either gonna cut you or they're gonna say this

634
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: left tackle is either going to take your job, or

635
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you this left tackle, this rookie your job.

636
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: And you can either let them or you can go

637
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: down swinging. And most of these young boys emphasis on boys,

638
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: go out. They're gonna go out swinging. They go out tweeting.

639
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing that some of these young men. Man, look, hey,

640
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: they're getting recruited as being the best player in the

641
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: world ranking out of high school, then in college, and

642
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: then they get to walk to where carpet next in

643
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, and then what happens, some low

644
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: adversity come and was first thing they do. I'm gonna

645
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: unfollow you on Twitter. That's that's how they do it. Yeah, Well,

646
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to your point, a lot of guys don't face adversity.

647
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: You you've actually been really honest about ship when you

648
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: play you said you struggled sometimes with depression. Yeah, most

649
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: guys don't want to most guys don't want to talk

650
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: about that, and so you had some personal battles. Um,

651
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's a it's a family history.

652
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I've had people in my family that have struggled with that.

653
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: You would think you're great, good looking guy, smart, successful. Yeah,

654
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: you now that you're working out and looking a little fitter,

655
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: you can tell a handsomeness of me. I like, But

656
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because I wouldn't think. I mean, you

657
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: were always a guy that was just resilient, tough, making

658
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: catches Pro bowls. When did you, honestly, Steve, was there

659
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: a moment for you, an epiphany when you're like, I

660
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: need to see a therapists something. There's something I can't

661
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: I can't I can't get my arms around by myself. Well,

662
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: what happened was back in two thousand and three, I

663
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: was already I had already had a sports psychologist, a

664
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: guy who was working with golf players. And so I

665
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: had a sports psychologist that I was working with, so

666
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: um visilation. It was always there, um daily goals, monthly goals,

667
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: short term, long term, had all that stuff already mapped

668
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: out and and and went through that. I had a

669
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: whole routine. UM look at looking at my film as

670
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: data with no emotions. Right. I had all that stuff

671
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: and I and it was built in me. But I

672
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: struggled because I was so geared towards data, P and

673
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: L profit or loss. Was I created enough passive income

674
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: for my family by playing, so when I can when

675
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm done playing, I can sit back and enjoy life. Right,

676
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: So my mind was always gone. I was either always

677
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: on or always off right, and so and and just

678
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: having that pressure. Right. And so for me, what happened

679
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: is I didn't know and didn't realize the pressure I

680
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: was putting on myself. It was causing me to not

681
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: really enjoy the journey because of my the way I

682
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: was raised and what I went through and what I experienced. Right.

683
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: And it's something that I just connected the dots with

684
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: is by the age of eighteen, I felt pretty insignificant.

685
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: It was in me. I felt already insignificant. So for me,

686
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: playing ball was me playing ball. I always wanted to

687
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: play ball, but outside of playing ball, I was always

688
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out. Things didn't always equal up

689
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: or make sense. So you know, I struggled with that.

690
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: And then you add not addressing it. You're playing ball,

691
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: keep suppressing it, keep suppressing it. And I just struggled

692
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: with it. And so when I started doing counseling, just

693
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: not for when I stopped doing counseling on the sports

694
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: and I just started doing counseling on figuring things out,

695
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I started going backwards and I was going, oh, because

696
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: I was always uptight, right, And you know, I remember

697
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: when I tore my achilles in Baltimore, you know, and

698
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm on you know, the medication from from

699
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: from from the surgery. Man, I remember, and I remember,

700
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: and I was like and I woke up like in

701
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and I remember saying, man,

702
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: if I would have just called these passes, and you

703
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: know when you have after surgery, you're always kind of

704
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: that medicine does some stuff to you, right, And I

705
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: remember I was able to recite when I woke up

706
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: middle night. I was able to recite every ball that

707
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: I dropped. And if I didn't drop that ball, I

708
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be playing right now. I would not be playing

709
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: right now. That means I would not have torn my achilles,

710
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: because I have had those thousand receptions. You were just

711
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: eating yourself up in the hospital room. And if I

712
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: would have got those styles of receptions, I would have

713
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: quit playing last year the year before, and so then

714
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, you see what I'm saying. And

715
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: so I just went down the rabbit hole. And the

716
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: medication I was on it had me just like I

717
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, if this is if this is

718
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: the memories, and I was just like I was. I

719
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: was in it. I mean waved out. I got a dog.

720
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: But and you ever seen a dog digging in the dirt,

721
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: That's where I was. I was digging through the dirt

722
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: and the mess, and I was getting filthy inside my head,

723
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: inside my heart of where I was, and I was

724
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: just like, man, this this ain't good. And so that's

725
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: why when I stepped away, I stepped away really my

726
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: sixteenth year. I was like, man, I didn't want to

727
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: go play for another team. I didn't want to keep

728
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, being away. Um, well this year I'm in

729
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Baltimore for three years and I go played two years

730
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else and play maybe another year. And I was like, man,

731
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: decide what you're gonna do. And so that's that's that's

732
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why and that's and that's what

733
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I was able to figure out. And so it was like,

734
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, did I want to play? Yeah, but wanting

735
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: to play and understanding I needed to stop playing that

736
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: was more important. Yeah, do you miss it? Miss what?

737
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: Just do you miss the camaraderie the dudes? You know?

738
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Not really, because here's the thing I made myself unapproachable

739
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: to where I had this guard up where I didn't

740
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: want friends because I didn't I was here to do

741
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: one thing, just play ball. I wouldn't here to be

742
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't here to be her friend. Because when

743
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: I turned it on on the light switch and I

744
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: played ball and go against defenders, I don't give a

745
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: fuck about your fan and I don't care how your

746
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: wife these kids are doing. I'm here to kick your

747
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: ass bottom. Yeah. And so having that, you know, and

748
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: then when I got to Baltimore, I realized, man, just

749
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit. And so that's where it wasn't.

750
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: Baltimore was such a significantly better place. I was in

751
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: a better mind frame, justin for set. Great guy, Anthony Levine,

752
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: great guy, UM, Thomas Davis, great guy, UM, Mike Tolber,

753
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: great guy. I mean, so many great fantastic players that

754
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: I played with, but they didn't really I didn't appreciate

755
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: or make them feel appreciated because I was just so

756
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: focused on kicking ass and taking names that I was

757
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: tough to be around. But I was okay being alone

758
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: because alone fed into the anger of playing ball the

759
00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: way I played. Yeah, yeah, you're you're a pretty um

760
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: adventurous traveler. I ran into you at a restaurant in

761
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: La and you just got back from South Korea, and

762
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: I remember, right, yeah, so you said you go on

763
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: big trips. You like to go on big trips. Give

764
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: me a country that's underrated and one that's overrated. Underrated

765
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Costa Rica. There's two areas that you can fly into Liberia,

766
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: which is a Papagayo. That's that area where the risk

767
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: Carlton and Andy off there. That's fun. But then there's

768
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Haco Beach Um that you flying to San Josea that's

769
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: like two and a half hour drive from airport. That

770
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: place was fun. We love that. That was like a

771
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: safer version, cleaner version of Mexico. Um. So love both

772
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: of those. My family tell you right now, I love

773
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: I love Costa Rica. We've been there twice. And every

774
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: time we talked about trips, I threw in Costa Rica

775
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: every time, like every time. Now, where did you go?

776
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: And you thought when you came home that wasn't as

777
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: good as the brochure. Nigeria Nigeria. No, Nigeria's okay, Lagos Uh?

778
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: The Lagos Nigeria. Um um um Togo lomey Uh? Yeah,

779
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Togo Lomei was interesting. Now where is Togo Lomai? So

780
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Togo Lomei is um is a French colony. Um you

781
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: have to fly into. When you fly the um in

782
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: the are you generally lay over in pairs and then

783
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: Ghana's in the middle of My best friend is from Ghana.

784
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: And then from there we flew from Ghana then lay

785
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: over to Nigeria, which is an English colony. So they

786
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: don't do French. English don't fly together. You gotta you

787
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: gotta have a lego um. So Paris was good for me.

788
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 1: And honestly, Parish is the dirty year version of New York.

789
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: And I don't now what I love about Parish is

790
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: in London is the coffee, all right, But man, I

791
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: hate the fact in Paris like you'd be in a

792
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: restaurant or out on the out, you know outside and

793
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: man people are smoking cigarettes like man like they chewing gum.

794
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: You know. So I really didn't like parish Um good stuff,

795
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Steve Smith. You gave us like fifty minutes there. That

796
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of time to talk about you. I

797
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that. So where are you gonna go? By the way,

798
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: So this little air of Friday morning, Thursday night, you

799
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: got a big good date with your wife tonight. What

800
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: do you got? Um? Well, today we're having be doing

801
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. She wasn't she really wasn't up for We

802
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: usually do taco Tuesdays. Um. And then after we do that,

803
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: since its later, we're probably gonna take the dog on

804
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: the walk. And since we're taking a dog on the walk,

805
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: I usually psychologically I let the dog poop in the

806
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: front and the pine needles because that makes me clean

807
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: it up. Because no one, no, no homeowner wants people

808
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: coming over their house. Their front yard is full of

809
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: dog shit, so it trained it makes me pick it up.

810
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: So about once it's about this time, it's either between Thursday,

811
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday, I literally go out there and I

812
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: got the doggie bags and I pick up dog shit

813
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: and that's keep it real. I mean, that's that's what

814
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: I do. Because if you were to come over my house,

815
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: he'd be like it and he's just waiting as for

816
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: us to open the door, and you look to the

817
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: can be like, bro, he he got like four or

818
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: five dog shit. He I can't imagine what the house

819
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: looks like inside, right, that's what I think. If he's

820
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: not piecking it up outside, God knows what is hidden inside.

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Speaker 1: That's what my buddy who owns a restaurant says. He said,

822
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: make your bathrooms clean, because if people use your restaurant

823
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: bathrooms and it's dirty, they think, what's the kitchen look like?

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00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: Thank you? So that's why good seeing your buddy appreciate it,

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00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: No problem, all right. That was Steve Smith Senior. Follow

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