1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: about some of the best stories of one to start two. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a real life Gregor Samsa and amazing 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: animal friendships and the end of a rather controversial zoo 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: that you probably all remember from the pandemic times. Remember 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: that anyways. Joining me today is Brand of the podcast 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: fan favorite, our producer and podcast extraordinary Joe Well Monique. Welcome, 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Hi Katie, thanks for having me back. I'm so excited 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: to hear what stories you have for me today. Yeah. Yeah, 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I thought I would just, you know, start off two 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: by doing some fun, fun news stories that are good 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: and good news. And also I think makes me feel 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: like two is a fresh start to hopefully maybe hoping. 16 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I have reached the stage of 17 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: pandemic where I'm just very contented to still be here, 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I think good news is perfect. 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah I really need it. We really just need some 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: positive news and we'll see what happens. I no longer 21 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: can hold expectations. Three years in a row. I've been 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: like it's almost over. Nope, right back into the pot 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: I went. I make I make no, I make no 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: guarantees that is going to be the year. But it's 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: a year. So you know, well, I think the most 26 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: of it. We've still gotta live. I feel it, that's right. Uh. 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: And so I feel like the energy that I want 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: to bring to is giant bugs. Um joel, Okay, that's 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: an interesting good newsplace. Yeah. Well, giant extinct bugs, which maybe, 30 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: okay leave to some people, may be disappointing to others. 31 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: But the fossil of a giant millipede called Arthur Pleura 32 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: was discovered and it was confirmed it was the largest 33 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: terrestrial invertebrate known in history, so the biggest bug, the 34 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: biggest bug. So they lived in both North America and 35 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: Europe about three hundred million years ago. And the new 36 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: fossil was found on a beach encased in sandstone in Northumberland, England. So, uh, 37 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: the fossil, it's all was actually discovered back in ten 38 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: but the results of the geological study was just recently published, which, uh, 39 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, because science actually takes a little bit of time, 40 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, you got to actually do the 41 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: research and the work and find out that you can't 42 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: just be saying stuff. Yeah. I mean, I just imagine 43 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: someone with like a little dust dust pan going up 44 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: to this fossil, dusting it off, getting out a little 45 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: measuring tape, and then going m m m m. Yeah, 46 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: checks out, big bug. It's a big bug. It's a 47 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: big bug, and we're done. Science completed. It's probably a 48 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: little more complicated than that, but so so let's talk 49 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: about this big bug. You know what a millipede looks like, right, Joel. 50 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: It's got a million lets not really, but yeah, kind of, 51 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: but that's what the Latin I think, uh kind of 52 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: thing is the millipede million feet kind of thing? But yeah, 53 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: not or a thousand feet but it's not. It is 54 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: not a thousand feet, um, but it is a lot 55 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: and they're segmented and sort of they look like sort 56 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: of the insect version of a train with a lot 57 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: of little train cars, I guess is how I imagined 58 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: I see it. So, yeah, a millipede like a centipede, 59 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: but friendlier, I think. But imagine one of those millipedes 60 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: but the size of a car. H no, thank you? 61 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, no, just like you know, think about it. 62 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: I think about you know, your car, But it's it's 63 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: a big old bug with a bunch of a bunch 64 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: of different little segments. Maybe each one of them horror 65 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: movies are made. What if each one has a little 66 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: saddle on it, right, and you and your entire crew 67 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: can like get on this millipede. Um, I would make 68 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: it like the busy world of Richard scary. So it's 69 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: just an apple and then the millipede, I guess, and 70 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: then it's just transportation. And okay, maybe what can I 71 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: do to get you on one of these bad boys today? 72 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Throw in throwing a bunch of little little socks for it, 73 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: a little little running shoes so it goes super fast. 74 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: I want to say less feet, but then I feel 75 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: like that would not um be good for it. I 76 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: feel it would be upset that they didn't have as 77 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: many feet. Yeah, I think it needs those feet, right, 78 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: because it's got this kind of undulating motion where it's 79 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: almost like it moves in kind of these waves of 80 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: feet stomping. Oh so cruised, but you know, um so Uh. 81 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: The fossil found was actually just a fragment of a 82 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: larger creature but because they know how many segments that 83 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: arthur Plura had, paleobiologists were able to put together an 84 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: approximate total size of the specimen, which was eight point 85 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: five ft or two point six meters long, about two 86 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: ft or fifty five wide, and wade a hundred and 87 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: ten pounds or fifty ms, so you know respectable, wow, 88 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: hundreds or no fifty and a hundred and ten pounds okay, okay, okay, okay. 89 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: The hundred and ten pounds things means I could take 90 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: it in a fight and that's a little more helpful, 91 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: or pick it up. And if that's an option. At 92 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: its size, it probably lacked predators, you know. I don't 93 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: blame the predators for not wanting anything to do with 94 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: that thing. Uh. Their diet is unknown, but based on 95 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: its size, it was estimated it probably ate a variety 96 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: of vegetation seeds and fruit to get enough nutritions. So 97 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: probably I like that it wasn't hunting animals. You know, 98 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: sometimes creatures when we go back into its prehistoric age 99 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: and they're larger, you know, maybe they're more carnivorous. Uh, 100 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: And I don't like that. I don't I don't need 101 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: bugs to eat You don't need a giant the world's 102 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: biggest bug to have the world's biggest appetite for human flesh. No. No, 103 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: It's like when I found out about the largest bird 104 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: that ever lived and how it could just scoop up 105 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: a fully grown man and disappear into the night. Uncomfortable. 106 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: Uncomfortable with those statistics. The terror bird or the terror 107 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: bird was the terrestrial one, and then there was the 108 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: argent Avis magnificence, which was the real big flying bird. Uh. Yeah, 109 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: we're actually going to talk about birds in relation to 110 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: this thing just a little bit in terms of like 111 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: why it went extinct if it had no predators. It 112 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: was this real big bug seemed like it had a 113 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: good plan. And one reason is the change in oxygen 114 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: levels uh in the Earth's history. So uh, during the 115 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: Carboniferous period, which was about three million years ago, when 116 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: these giant bugs roamed the Earth, the oxygen levels were 117 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: way higher. There was a higher concentration of oxygen in 118 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: the atmosphere. Uh. And the reason this was important for 119 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: large bugs is based on how insects breathe, So humans 120 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: and mammals and birds and reptiles breathe through like a 121 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: single trachea, and we have lungs and we suck in 122 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,479 Speaker 1: oxygen that way. But adult terrestrial insects actually taken oxygen 123 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: through many holes, which are called sphericles. So these are what, Yeah, 124 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: these are small holes and tubes all over their bodies 125 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: that distribute oxygen to their tissues. I had no clue. Yeah, 126 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: they're kind of kind of like Swiss cheese when you 127 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: think about it, but little tiny, tiny holes. And the 128 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: holes can't actually be too big because if they're too big, 129 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: then you just got like a doughnut and not an insect, 130 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and that's not structurally stable, uh, which actually creates a 131 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: problem the bigger the insect is because if you want 132 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: to get oxygen to all the tissue in the big insect, 133 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: you need a longer holes, uh and wider holes. So 134 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: if they're too wide, then the insect is no longer 135 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: structurally stable. Too many holes. So what you need is 136 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: a higher concentration of oxygen so that the tubes and 137 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: spiricles can remain narrow, taking in less air but still 138 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: getting enough oxygen distributed to its tissues. So that is 139 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: why there used to be giant dragonflies and giant millipedes 140 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: and now no longer. But there's actually a couple other 141 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: factors that make it a little bit of a more 142 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: complete picture. In one is that it may have actually 143 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: been necessary for the bugs to be this big because 144 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the oxygen was so high, including in the water that 145 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: aquatic larva, like some insects like dragonflies, they actually start 146 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: out in the water as these like aquatic uh little babies, 147 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: and then they metamorphosized into adults that leave the water. 148 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: And so adult insects can actually close their spiricles in 149 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: order to regulate how much oxygen they're taking in, but 150 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: the larva cannot, so they can actually get too much 151 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: oxygen oxygen toxicity. There's too high of a concentration in 152 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: the water and they're too small. So more oxygen in 153 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: the water favored larger larva so they could survive live, 154 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: and larger larva means larger adults. And then there you go, 155 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: got big bugs. Wow. I didn't know, like I realized that, 156 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, the amount of oxygen in the air had 157 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: like fluctuated over time, but it didn't click like how 158 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: large the impact would have been on the features alive. 159 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: Then that is fascinating. Are we essentially saying like they 160 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: choked out, like when we were talking about, um, the 161 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: fact that they have well, I mean, like listen, there 162 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: was a lot. Now there's less. If there's less oxygen, 163 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: for me, I'm essentially suffocating and dying. Is that what's 164 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: happening to them? I mean very slowly, I think, and 165 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: they're they're right right, not immediately, not immediately, So it 166 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: would actually and so you'd see really more these selective 167 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: pressures to get smaller. So instead of these big bugs 168 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: suddenly collapsing, you know, they would the bigger ones would 169 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: not fare as well as the slightly smaller ones, and 170 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Um. Also birds, Uh you 171 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: mentioned birds earlier. The presence of birds may have and 172 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: other tetrapods are not other tetrapods, but tetrapods in general 173 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: may have had a big impact on these big bugs 174 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: because the birds, first of all, could potentially catch bugs 175 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: that were like medium sized but not super maneuverable. And 176 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: then for the larger ones, birds may have outcompeted the 177 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: carnivorous bugs. And uh yeah, just generally birds were great 178 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: and did a lot better than these big bugs, and 179 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: the big the bugs had to kind of both with 180 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: the combination of the presence of birds, tetrapods and the 181 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: lower oxygen were just like, fine, we'll get tiny whatever. Man, 182 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine an ultra universe where the birds 183 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: didn't win and now we just have like giant cockroaches. Now, yeah, 184 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: I think you birds really appreciate you winning. You're much 185 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: easier to look at, even though sometimes you still terrify me. 186 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: This is definitely take bird supremacy. This is part of 187 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: my long term plan of indoctrinating Joel to actually like 188 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: birds because I don't. It's working for those of you 189 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: who don't remember Joel doesn't like birds, which, uh, I cannot. 190 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: I simply can't accept that. You know, I generally, I 191 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: generally try to keep an open mind about people who 192 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: don't love the animals that I love. You know. It's like, oh, 193 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: you don't like naked mole routes. Yeah, they kind of 194 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: look a little, you know, a little bit wrinkly and strange. 195 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: But you know, birds, you gotta love them, and I 196 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: won't accept that. I simply won't. I'm coming around, slowly 197 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: but surely starting to see because listen, if they stopped 198 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: giant bugs from existing, then really we could probably be 199 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: friends now at least I have a mutual respect for them. 200 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to hear that, because I actually have 201 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: sent um a bunch of a bunch of ostriches to 202 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: your house for you to, you know, have fun with. 203 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, uh, you know what lions the dog she 204 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: can play with the ostriches. Do you have a really 205 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: good time? She likes chasing other animals. Um. But also 206 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: she's a big soft pie. You know, she's uh pushing 207 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: sixty pounds. I saw a ten pound dog knocker on 208 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: her behind. Uh. It was ridiculous and hilarious. I will 209 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: say inside, I don't need birds taller than me coming 210 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: at That seems unplused. Fair enough. So we've talked about 211 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: giant bugs that I personally want to befriend. Joel is 212 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: maybe um more okay with just remaining distant acquaintances acquaintances 213 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: with these giant bugs. But I have some news stories 214 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: about animal friendships that I think you will love. And 215 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: they are truly adorable and wonderful. And no, and this 216 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: isn't a trick. It's not a trick. They are adorable 217 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: and adorable by normal people standards, not by Katie standards. Uh. 218 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: Because I'm like velvet worm. I love you, be my friend. Um. 219 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I found these stories actually from the 220 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: Smithsonian Channels Amazing Animal Friends show, which, uh it's it 221 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: sounds it sounds like what it is, it's about friends. 222 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: But the Twala Trust Animal Sanctuary in Zimbabwe hosts a 223 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: number of animal rescues, including cats, dogs, owls, monkeys and more. 224 00:15:53,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: Uh yes, every animal, especially these ones. And one such 225 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: monkey is named Horace, and he is an orphaned vervet 226 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: monkey with one arm and a determination to make friends. All. So, 227 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: a little bit about vervet monkeys. These are adorable little 228 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: dudes with short black fur on their faces, long fluffy, gray, 229 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: white and tan fur on their bodies. Uh. They are 230 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: highly social. They live in troops and often maintain long 231 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: relationships with siblings, and they like to groom each other 232 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: to establish social bonds, to establish like a friendship. Yeah, 233 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: so they're very social. And poor Horace found himself at 234 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: this rescue without a troop of vervet monkeys. Um right, 235 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: exactly so, even though these sanctuary did save him, he's 236 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: all alone here, but that did not stop him from 237 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: being determined to create new family. So uh, the dogs 238 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: at the sanctuary are not your typical dogs because they 239 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: were x there ex guard dogs, so they're not as 240 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: well socialized with humans or other animals. Typically very aggressive, 241 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: so when little Horace came up to their enclosure, they 242 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: reacted with aggression, barking at him. Uh, you know, not 243 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: not having any of it. But he was undeterred, and 244 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: being very smart, he looked at the situation and started 245 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: to strategize. He saw that there was this one old 246 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: dog kind of lying by herself. She seemed calmer. Her 247 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: name is Isabelle, and he went up to her and 248 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: she let him start to touch her and to groom her. 249 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: So he would pick off the fleas and ticks on 250 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: her coat, and she actually found she quite enjoyed it. 251 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: So ah, he started doing that. Isabelle let him do that. 252 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: She was when you see the video of this, she's 253 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: very pleased with the situation. And so these other dogs 254 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: were watching and started to notice that, hey, that actually 255 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: looks pretty good. So then this dogs getting spa treatments. 256 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: I would like one, yeah, yeah, exactly. So Horace was 257 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: then able to move on to other dogs. One of 258 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: the dogs is just named Computer, which I do like. 259 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: So Computer lit Horace groom him next and then uh 260 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: that that sold the rest of the dogs on Horace, 261 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: and they started to line up for Horace's magical gentle 262 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: grooming fingers uh and uh, which Horace was just so 263 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: pleased with because now he had his own little troop 264 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: of dogs who would cuddle with him and play with him. 265 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: And yeah, they've just completely accepted Horace as a member 266 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: of their pack. And it's the most wonderful and most 267 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: adorable thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I 268 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: love that Horace, basically as Edward scissorhands uh came in, 269 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: looked a little different than the dogs. They were unsure 270 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: about this interesting creature. But then he's making them feel 271 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: fabulous and loved and like valued, and they were like 272 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: getting self love because they were feeling better. And now 273 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: they're all besties. That's so sweet. It's truly amazing, And 274 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: I think it's both a testament to the intelligence of 275 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: this vervet monkey Horace, because he used his observational skills 276 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: to sense like who who could I kind of make 277 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: a good opening with, like who would be the most 278 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: receptive And apparently, according to some of the caretakers at 279 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: this sanctuary, he pays a lot of attention to the 280 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: dog's body language and will be very gentle with some 281 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: dogs that are more afraid of being touched. And I 282 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: find that really interesting because obviously humans and dogs have 283 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: this really long history and to see a vervet monkey 284 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: whom we're not that closely related to, they're they're much 285 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: further back on the evolutionary tree than humans. Be able 286 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: to develop this strategy to basically get along with these 287 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: dogs is really interesting to me. It's wild. Wild dogs 288 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: can be friends with everybody. They're really that girl. Um, 289 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 1: they're like here, tiger play with this dog and then 290 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: they do and their buddy and you can also be 291 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: friends with Like that is incredible, and it's so it's 292 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: always interesting watching uh monkeys like work with tools and stuff. 293 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: You're like, wow, I'm really seeing the thinking process. Like 294 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that video of the 295 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: orangutan driving his golf cart around or her golf cart 296 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: around the soop and she's like lane switching, yeah, with 297 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: the casual arm tossed back behind the head. Yes, yeah, yes, 298 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: it's like it really like not even humanizes, but really 299 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: asked you to consider like the personalities of each individual 300 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: animal and their style and how they learn and yeah, 301 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: it's wild. Yeah. And there's also the orangutans who will 302 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: steal soap and then scrub up, scrub up with the soap, 303 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: rub it all over their arms, and then they lick 304 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: it off, which I think they like the flavor of it. 305 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what's going on. They probably like 306 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: the sensation, the fun soapy sensation, and then they like 307 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: the flavor of the soap. So real freaks, but very cool. 308 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: Doesn't love cilantro and a clean body? Okay, I get it. 309 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Our a does soap tastes like cilantro to you? It does. 310 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: I actually like the taste of cilantro. But I feel 311 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: like if it's tasting like soap to so many people, 312 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: perhaps that's what the orangutans are looking for. Yeah, you know, look, 313 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: maybe just try next time shave a little bit soap 314 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: on your pasta dish. Don't do that. It's not a 315 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: recommendation for my heart. No, really speaking, don't do that. 316 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: But if you have done that in the past, let 317 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: me know what it was like. Probably bad, Probably tasted bad. 318 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: Don't eat soap. It's not good for you unless you're 319 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: an orangutan. And then I can't tell you what to do, 320 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: and also you can't sue me, so you know, here 321 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: we are oh so funny. So, speaking of dogs being 322 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: friends with everyone, as you said, Joel, another Zimbabwe animal 323 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: rehab center has a friendship between a couple of rescued 324 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: puppy mill Dalmatians and an orphan zebra. Wait what Yeah, 325 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: two Dalmatians and a baby zebra together, uh, in total 326 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: total joy. It's one of those things that seems like 327 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: not even a Disney movie, like a DreamWorks movie, not 328 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: even a DreamWorks movie, like one of those movies that 329 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: are designed to trick like old people into getting their 330 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: grandchildren something that like is similar to a New Pixar movie. 331 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: But like, yeah, hey, dalmatians make a friend with a 332 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: zebra because they're both black and white. But yeah, I 333 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: feel like, nobody tell Cruella she's gonna be like stripes 334 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: and dots. Here we come. They come packaged together, wonderful, 335 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: very very efficient. Yeah. Uh so at this rescue there 336 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: are these two Dalmatians now adults, but they were rescued 337 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: as puppies from a puppy mill, which is a real 338 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: bad situation. Uh. Selective breeding of Dalmatians for that iconic 339 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: spotted coat has resulted in a number of genetic conditions, 340 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: such as hearing loss and also painful urinary stones. Yeah. 341 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: This seems to happen pretty frequently with breeding, where you'll 342 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: have a dog breed that is trendy or people are 343 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: trying to select for certain traits based on aesthetics or 344 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: something really superficial, and then you get these, you know, 345 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: often painful or unhealthy characteristics that you know just like, 346 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: what's what's the point, what's the purpose of doing that? 347 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: They're they're sweet dogs, like yeah, like I my dog 348 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: is um, she's a pit bully mix. Um. But like 349 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: we've seen a lot because we're looking at adopting another 350 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: one maybe and yeah, seeing what people have done to 351 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: like the bulldogs with their their hip display asia and 352 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: their snouts are so compressed and they can't breathe, and 353 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: it's like this is not living, this is not pleasant. 354 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Their jaws and teeth are all askew. It's like, why 355 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: we didn't need to do this. There's such a fun, lovable, 356 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: they've always been adorable breed, Like yeah, it's really devastating. Yeah, yeah, 357 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: I feel like my feelings on dogs is like there 358 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: They've been our best buds for like nearly a hundred 359 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: thousand years. I don't understand why we need to make 360 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: them look a certain way. I think dogs are just 361 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: inherently cute. It's just like, yes, just just let them just, 362 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: you know, let's not be so so weird and anal 363 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: about having them look a certain way until like they 364 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: sneeze in their eyeballs fall out like with uh, you know, 365 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: let's style that in, you know, just the absolutely so uh. 366 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: But you know something, you know, once these dogs are 367 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: out there, you know someone's got to take care of him. 368 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: And so Indigo and Bindy are two Dalmatian sisters. And meanwhile, 369 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: Zebra named city Boy, which is I don't know the 370 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: story behind that name, but I do like it. City 371 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: Boy the zebra. Uh. He was found wandering without his mother, 372 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: who had been eaten by lions, which, you know, sad, 373 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: but at least I feel like in that situation, at 374 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: least his mother was killed in sort of you know, 375 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: the circle of life style situation rather than a Bamby 376 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: sort of situation, whereas he him and human intervention. But 377 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: he was rescued with the hopes of releasing him into 378 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: a large Wild Reserve, but without other zebras at the rescue, 379 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: it was hard to make sure that city Boy would 380 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: be able to acclimate to the reserve if he grows 381 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: too dependent on the presence of humans. And this is 382 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: where Indigo and Bindie come in. They have befriended city 383 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Boy the zebra, and they accompany him on walks throughout 384 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: the rehab center. Uh. And since there are no wild 385 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: dogs in the wild reserve area that will be um 386 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: city boys future home. It's actually okay that he's lost 387 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: his natural fear of dogs. These Dalmatians will take him 388 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: on these longer walks around the reserve and give him 389 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: sort of a bit of independence where he uh, you 390 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: know is is gets to kind of live a life. 391 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: And I have no idea if there's any if this 392 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: has anything to do with the fact they're both black 393 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: and white. That seems unlikely to me. It seems kind 394 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: of like a coincidence. But I do I do like 395 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: the idea of like, hey, kid, I like your style. 396 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: Let's hang out right, your stripes really hitting it off today, 397 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: It's great. I just really like the fact that this 398 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: zebra gets a second chance a little baby. Zebras are 399 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: so cute and now the Little Doggy Friends. Um children's 400 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: book authors, you can have this one for free. Uh. 401 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: The story is just out there ready for you to explore, Like, hey, 402 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: when tragedy strikes, get a dog is really an I 403 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: will love you and guide you through your recovery. Yeah. Yeah, 404 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: so it's so cute. I love the fashion of it too, 405 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: because people are like, don't mix prints. I think you 406 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: should mix prints. I think it's great. It's Minnieling taught 407 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: us how and we're not looking back. So more good 408 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: news actually ties in a little bit with last subject, 409 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: and it is that the former Tiger King zoo owners 410 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: have been banned for life from exhibiting animals. Yeah so 411 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: I remember Tiger King that Yeah, that whole thing that 412 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: was at the beginning of the Panino right the beginning 413 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: of the pandemic um. Yeah, where everyone was fascinated by 414 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: this documentary because it was just real. It was just 415 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: real trashy, yeah real. Uh yeah, it's it's awful. Not 416 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: proper housing, like, not properly making sure they're interacting not 417 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: with just other creatures of their species, but with humans. 418 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: And then a whole bunch of reckless personal decisions surrounding 419 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: all of that hot mess. Yeah, and for people who 420 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: either haven't seen the show or need a refresher because 421 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: it was like a billion years ago in pandemic time. 422 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: Um this it was like basically, there's this guy, Joe Exotic, 423 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 1: who ran the Greater Winnewood Exotic Animal Park, which like 424 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: had a bunch of tigers who had been captively bred 425 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: for the purpose of exhibition, but in the worst way possible, 426 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: so little cubs would be put into petting zoos and 427 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: just sort of bread solely for the purpose of these 428 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: petting zoos, mistreated a lot of malnutrition. And uh, there 429 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: was also like a murder mystery thrown into this series, 430 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: because yeah, just to make it the full human experience. Yeah. Yeah, 431 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: because Joe Exotic was accused of plotting a murder against 432 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: his rival, Carol Baskin, who owned a big cat rescue 433 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: and was highly critical of his zoo, and he accused 434 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: Carol Baskin of murdering her ex husband. And the documentary itself, 435 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm always skeptical of these kinds of documentaries because I 436 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: think they want to sell you an intriguing story. So 437 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't really know. I'm not a detective you know, 438 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a tiger, nor am I a detective, and 439 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a tiger detective, so I don't really 440 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: have any Fortunately, I know I wish though, right, detective Tiger, 441 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: that would be you know, it would be incredible. You 442 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: have the most amazing hat. Yeah. Yeah, and be like 443 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: his tagline, to be earning his stripes one murder at 444 00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: a time. Ah, we did it. That's perfect. They're dead, um, 445 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: so so yeah. The But what I I think it's 446 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: pretty clear from the documentary was that the Joe Exotic 447 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: Zoo was terrible for tigers and other animals there. There 448 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: was also that poor worker at the zoo who had 449 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: her arm torn off and everyone acted like that was 450 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: fine and normal. But you know, that's not good to 451 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: have happened, I don't think. But yeah, she she had 452 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: her arm torn off by a tiger, and which I 453 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: think is just sort of a you know, a symptom 454 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: of the larger issue of how this zoo was very, 455 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: very irresponsibly run. Their enclosures were bad, like you were 456 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: mentioning earlier. Their diet and nutrition was just like they 457 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: bought like bargain meat from the grocery store, which is 458 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: not you think what you do. I don't own tigers, 459 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: but I feel like I know not to do that. 460 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: It's probably good to like, actually, you know, get the 461 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: food that can sustain them and not the same meat 462 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Taco Bell uses, uh problems. Yeah, I don't. I've never 463 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: seen a tiger stroll up to Taco Bell in order 464 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: like case Diilla Deluxe Supreme. Uh you know what I mean. 465 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't think that it would 466 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: be pretty impressive if he didn't, I know, I know, 467 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: just you know, it's probably if it did happen, it 468 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: probably happened at like three am. Tiger would be just 469 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, real out of its tired. He went out 470 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: to hunt, but he couldn't find anything good. He's like, 471 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: you know what if it I'm just going to Taco Bell. 472 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm tired, and I deserve a boja blast. He does 473 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: deserve a baja blast. You're right, totally. Yeah, So, you know, 474 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: and like, honestly, zoos in general, I have mixed feelings 475 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: about even when they're really really good zoos, right, because 476 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: in good zoos, they do their best to really give 477 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: the animals a good life. They give them really good 478 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: nutrition and veterinary care and they raise money for conservation. 479 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: But even then, uh, it's not ideal for the animals. 480 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: And I don't even think the zoos themselves kid themselves 481 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: in that respect, like m M. You know, for example, 482 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: how would you ever have a zoo that's like a 483 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: great ideal place for an elephant because they need so 484 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: much space. It's just it's kind of in a way, 485 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: I think impossible to have a zoo that's like ideal. Uh. 486 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: That's not to say that I think all zoos are bad. 487 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of them do a lot 488 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: in terms of both education and conservation that I think 489 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: it is worth it. But it's still not an ideal situation. 490 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: And so you have that whole moral quandary. And then 491 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: on the other end of the spectrum you have this 492 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: Joe Exotic zoo, which was just you know, an atrocity, 493 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: like horrible. These lions would have twisted bones because they 494 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: had calcium deficiency is just awful. So the fact that 495 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: the previous so of course Joe Exotic is in jail, 496 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: uh for apparently plotting to murder Carol Baskin. Again, I'm 497 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: not a tiger attorney, so you know, I can't can't 498 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: speak to uh any kind of legal, you know, discussion. 499 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: But he certainly did not deserve to have a zoo 500 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: because he was bad at that and abusive. Definitely. Yeah. 501 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: And then like the people he left the zoo to 502 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: take care of, like his former partner, they have also 503 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: been banned for life from exhibiting animals. What a victory 504 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: for tigers everywhere. Tiger Lawyer really showed up and did 505 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: what they needed to do. They're lucky she was in 506 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: our cornery, Tiger Lawyer attorney at law. Uh, is that anything? 507 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: Is that anything? It maybe last? I don't know. Well, 508 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: if you enjoyed it, it's worth it, definitely worth it. 509 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: But I think, in a weird twist, the Exotic Animal 510 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: Park is now in the position of none other than 511 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Carol Baskin. Who are you? Yeah? Uh? The saga continue, 512 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: Taka continues, and she is the owner of I think 513 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: Big Paw Rescue, And of course she has been accused 514 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: of murdering her former husband and feeding him to her tigers. 515 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any hard evidence of this 516 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: being true. No, that's entirely hearsay at this point. Yeah, 517 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: And like I feel kind of I feel weird watching 518 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: this documentary because it's like it's a compelling story. But 519 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: given that there's that this is just complete wild speculation, 520 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: there's an extremely good chance that Carol Basket is just 521 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: a nice lady who likes to rescue tigers and then 522 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: people are like called out an injustice. When she saw it, 523 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, this guy is not taking care 524 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: of these potentially dangerous and like these wildlife animals who 525 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: deserve proper care. Uh. And then he got salty about 526 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: it and tried to run for mayor when he wasn't 527 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: wasn't mayor governor something he was not equipped to do. 528 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: It's a it's a hot mess. It really maybe should 529 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: have been been more profile on Joe exclusively. UM. But 530 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: either way, I'm exceedingly glad that these people can no 531 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: longer be involved in taking care of tigers. Yeah. Yeah, no, 532 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: that's that's a big victory for tigers. And I'm sorry 533 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: Carol Baskin. Her rescue is big cat rescue, not big 534 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: paw rescue. That's there's probably a rescue called big paw Rescue. UM. 535 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: Probably not associated with a murder mystery, although I don't know. 536 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: It seems like any time you get into the sort 537 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: of exotic animal trade. Uh, there's a lot of weird 538 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: stuff because you know people who I mean not not 539 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: in terms of the rescue organizations, they're they're trying to 540 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: undo something bad that has happened. But yeah, just like 541 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: these people that own tigers as like pets or entertainment, weird, weird, 542 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: like almost cult like stuff going on. Yeah, we definitely 543 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: should not be allowing that. I don't think. I really 544 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: feel like wild animals really have to be regulated better. Yeah, 545 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of illegal practices happening around it. Um, 546 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: and I give the desire behind it, Like how cool 547 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: in theory, again, not in actual practice, but in theory, 548 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: it's way cool to own a tiger, Like, wow, what 549 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: a status symbol. How did you do it? Is it 550 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: really truly domesticated? But then when you think about the 551 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: actual life of the animal and they're not meant to 552 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: be in homes or collared really or any that like 553 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: live and live better? Idea better idea tiger onesie for 554 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: your dog? Perfect? Perfect, Now I need to do that 555 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: for my dog. I just realized I said it out 556 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: loud and the words made it necessary to have it 557 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: become a fantastic get spayed, and so I want to 558 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: buy her a um you know, like the cones dog 559 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: wears after they have surgery. But there's one in the 560 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: shape of a lion's mane. Do her, little lion, the 561 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: things we do to our dogs. Loves the humiliation, they do. 562 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: Love it. It's love it. They have no shame, right exactly. 563 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: It's like putting a newborn in a pumpkin. Okay, it's 564 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: just a stage of life. My first Halloween costume was 565 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: a big pumpkin. Fine too, you know, oh you too, 566 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: that's just yeah, that's a teddy bear. That's Those are 567 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: the good standards for baby costumes. Just like make make 568 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: them a pumpkin. Yeah. The Joe Exotics reign of terror 569 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: I think is over maybe and then now hopefully Carol 570 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: Baskin does a better job of, you know, rescuing these tigers. 571 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: I hope, So, I hope we don't have to hear 572 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: about any more tigers being mistreated or not being taken 573 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: care of. She seems to really, really, really care. I mean, 574 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: all of her outfits are like tiger and cheetah themed, 575 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: which is which is fun? Uh? Yeah, I don't know. 576 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: I dig in. As we say it at the top 577 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: of the podcast, I am not in the highly optimistic 578 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: headspace right now. We're just gonna have to see what happens, 579 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: but I will hope for the best. You just got 580 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: to hope that this will be the year that tigers 581 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: maybe get a win truly, and they need it they do. 582 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: So before we go onto are mry animal sound game, 583 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: Guess Who's squawking? Every week I play a mystery animal 584 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: sound and you guess who is a squawking? And so 585 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: last week, actually probably the week before last week, because 586 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: I think I took a little break and did an 587 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: oldie but goodie episode. But before then I had left 588 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: you guys with a mystery animal sound and the hint 589 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: was a trio of big babies who really wish you 590 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: understood their point. And here is the sound. Were you 591 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: able to hear that? Yeah? That's wild. What do you 592 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: think is making that sound? Joel? Okay, So when I 593 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: close my eyes, I get two separate images. The first 594 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: one is small and furry and it's and it's just 595 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: like the other one is sort of like a bird 596 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: is squawking. It's a little terrifying. I'm trying to think 597 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: if there's an animal in between those two things, and 598 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: what I'm coming up with is a baby platypus. Wow, 599 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: I love that, guess, and I love the way that 600 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: you arrived at it, and now that I'm trying to 601 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: imagine a baby platypus making that sound, and I do 602 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: love it. Um, you are you are wrong, but in 603 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: a really fun way, so I feel like you still 604 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: deserve points for that. But congratulations to the fastest guesser's 605 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: Shana s dielle B and yet again Anti B, who 606 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: uh Anti B is officially I think the fastest in 607 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: most days accurate animal guesser. I think she might actually 608 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: be a real life barn owl who can hear a 609 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: field mouse miles away. Um, but congratulations, you guys. You 610 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: all guessed baby rhinos, And yes, these are a baby rhino, 611 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: a trio of baby rhinos, and they are squeaking and 612 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: squawking because they're hungry and they want to be fed 613 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: milk someone them, please, they're starling. Good But I love 614 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: a little baby rhino. They have big old ears and 615 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: the little blunt noses and they kind of, oh my god, 616 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: so cute. Yeah, I did not know what noise they made, 617 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: But I feel much better as a person, as a 618 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: human being. You know what, It's restored some hope and 619 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: faith in the world. T two won't be so bad. 620 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: The the energy that we're gonna bring into is giant 621 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: bugs in squeaking rhinos. I think you know, ah, bless us, 622 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, there there it's that. That squeak, squeak squawk 623 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: sound they're making is similar to when your cat meals 624 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: at you because she wants food. Uh, And that's exactly 625 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: what they're doing to this caretaker. Is they are demanding 626 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: that you feed them and letting her know that they 627 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: are gonna die if she doesn't feed them in like 628 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: two seconds. So that is uh, it's adorable, It's wonderful. 629 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: And onto this week's mystery animal sound. Uh. Here is 630 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: the hint. If you think this is a bird or 631 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: a dog, you're barking up the wrong tree. In fact, 632 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be looking in trees at all, but in burrows. 633 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm going chipmunk because I'm pretty sure it brows. It 634 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: sounds somewhat like the gnashing of teeth, but less scary. 635 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: The little squeak at the end of it, squeaky, little 636 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: squeaks from rhino squeaks to some mystery squeaks. That's a 637 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: great guess, but I will reveal the answer next week, uh, 638 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: in the next episode of Creature Feature. Thank you so 639 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: much for joining me today, Joel. It's so good to 640 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 1: have you back. Where can the people find you? Yeah, 641 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,720 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. This was another 642 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: great episode. I'm so glad I got to be here 643 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: this morning. UM. You guys can find me all over 644 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: the internet at Joel Monique. It's j O E L 645 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: E E M O n I q u E and 646 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. 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