WEBVTT - Episode 1 - All or Nothing 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey, it's fifty cent and I'm Charlie Webster, host of 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.320 Surviving l Chapo, the Twins who brought down a drug lord. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.960 Make sure you listen to the catch up so you're 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:10.840 up to date with what happened in season one. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.360 If you haven't listened to season one with you been, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.320 go back and listen. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.960 The story is chronological and follows on from season two. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.759 I can't wait to take you on the second part 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.680 of this ride. We're going to jump straight in where 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:24.319 we left off. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.159 And when I saw the cards and like all the 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:32.640 agents in marshals. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:33.360 Just like staring at us. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.519 I think it was the first time I ever felt like, 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.400 holy shit, I'm. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.000 Not just a drug dealer right. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.199 My whole time, even though like you might hear me 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.319 say it now, like oh, that was the biggest drug deer. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.360 I had no idea that I was. To me, I 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.200 was just telling. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.680 Drugs when you look at it from on the outskirts, 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.040 because just in perspective, you can't even fathom what that's. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:11.520 That's like I was just doing what they did. Why 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:12.039 are they here? 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.440 Like you know what I mean, Like it's just us 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.840 like but it was like reality. It was hard to 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.560 like take all that in it and not having a 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.600 chance to deal with your emotional it was really difficult. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.680 This is Surviving our chapter It's Twins who Brought Down 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.400 a Trouble Old season two. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.440 It's fifteen, Charlie with you again. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.920 Welcome back to Surviving ol chop or The Twins who 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.320 brought Down the Drug Law Season two. After a twenty 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.440 year long career in the drug trade, the Flores twins 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.840 Peter and Jay decided it was time to turn their 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:11.480 lives around. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:13.720 But it wasn't going to come easy. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.239 This is real. They were deep into the cartel. Old 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.480 Chopol was like family today. They were caught between the 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.000 cartel on one side and the actual family or another. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.680 Getting out of the life meant that huge betrayal to 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.760 everything they'd ever known and turning against the man who 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.040 was the only reason they were both still alive in 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.160 the first place. It was Chopo that stopped peace execution 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.160 and who kept the entire family safe. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.800 It took eight months of secret recordings working with the 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.600 US government to bring Chapeo down by recording him on 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.880 a wire tap. Pete and Jay turned over the recording 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.480 to the government and handed themselves in ready to take 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.680 the next step in turning their life around. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.040 We left you in season one with Pete and j 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.239 shackle and landing in the US to a load the 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.560 police and federal agents. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.520 While the brothers were on their way out of Mexico 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.680 on a US government private jet, their wives and the 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.000 rest of the family had to make their own way 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:25.280 out of the country. Viv, Val, Pete and J's brother Armando, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.000 the twins, mother and father, and all the children were 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.720 left to drive eight hours through enemy territory, across the 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.760 US border and into relative safety. Just a reminder that 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.000 we're not going to identify which brother is speaking each time, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.160 but I'm sure by now you've got to know them. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.040 Jay is a little lighter and happy go lucky. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.920 Heat tends to be serious and more of a realist. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.440 Jay is married to Val and at this point they 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.680 have two boys, one just a newborn baby. Heat is 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.160 married to Viv. They also have a newborn baby, a girl. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.080 It was a big deal when we came back, like 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:16.000 they had all kinds of marshals and swat team. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.719 To bombard as questions. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.920 There's a couple of people talking and a lot of faces, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.880 and I seen his man. He's kind of tall. He 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.920 has a briefcase and I automatically ain't know, like, oh, 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.599 that's the use of attorney. And we went into the 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.440 They have a business lobby, so they have a big 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.120 conference room, and we went in there and a few 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.960 of the agents, including the agent, the DA agent Marsh 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.320 I think he was from our original cas is there 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.560 and we get on the call with our attorney and 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:07.880 the US Attorney's office from Chicago, and basically they're like, Okay, guys, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.320 you know your family's across the borders or and now 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.680 you guys are here and use guys been cooperating, you know, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.719 for Mexico, but now it's time for you guys to 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:25.520 finish doing your job. And I'm really, huh, you don't 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.000 have to finish during your job, and that means it 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.800 we need you incorporating against all your customers based in 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:39.080 the United States. I was like, oh, absolutely not. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.760 Hell no, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:48.080 Everyone looked like what. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.960 And I remember my turning with like, hold on, hold on, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.520 I need to speak to my clients. I need to 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.760 fink my clients in private, Like nah, that's the post 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.240 you like, because I felt like we just cooperated for nothing, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.880 like we have nothing, like where's our end? 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:09.320 Just reis my life? 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.760 I'm here by the bras of God, like, but now 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.679 where's like you're asking me corporated with Where's like? What 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.359 was my benefit? 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:15.520 Like? 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.320 What am I getting? You're asking me to now turn 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.920 on my customers. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.760 As far as the twins were concerned, the deal was 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.720 to get El Chapo on tape, serve a few years 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.479 in prison, and be free to start a completely new life. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.960 All their conversations with the government so far have been 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.880 purely focused on El Chapo, but the government had other ideas. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.880 J and P would now have to turn in everybody 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:46.440 they've ever dealt with, workers, customers, and even their friends 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.400 if they were ever going to have any chance at freedom. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:55.159 The prosecutor gets on the phone and the other prosecutors 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:00.240 just looking at something basically says, guys, to work. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.919 It's gonna be all or nothing. You don't get to 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:04.359 the side. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:08.479 How did that make you feel? 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:16.880 I felt like that hurt, that felt trapped. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:24.640 Like I felt stupid for sure, And at that moment, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.440 that's how I felt like what I was angry? 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:29.320 I just. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.160 I mean, I just said it was that moment it 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.040 was those like those initial moments where I felt like 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.760 I was angry to use a turn off. I felt 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.120 like it was a trap to me and I felt 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:43.960 like I hadn't got nothing in return and. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.200 To them, and they're like, oh, you're a diructed what 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.000 you respect. You're getting a chance. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.680 And to me, I'm like, I'm risking my life every 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.320 day forgiving you what you asked me for. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.160 You didn't ask for that. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.720 You said that you wanted this, We offered, We put 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.200 everything on the table, and that's what you wanted. And 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.080 that's not just trait works. So basically he said, listen, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:12.360 it's all or nothing. If you guys want to decided, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.880 you would change your mind and you want to spend 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.000 the rest of your life in prison for all your 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.360 customers are gonna end up cooperating against you anyway, like 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.320 they are. Now that's up to you, you guys think 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:30.040 about it. And when he said that, was like, kind 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.160 I had a point there, you know. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:31.360 Like. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.880 I do remember asking could we do anything about this? 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.440 And he's like, you don't get to pick and choose. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:45.640 Chase doesn't work that way. Now you go do the 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.160 right thing. Remember what got your hair? 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.680 You don't put no one in front of your family, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:55.559 and he was right. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.480 I didn't want to be the responsible person for that, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.959 like I guess, you know, like I didn't wanna be 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.560 responsible for everyone's life changing. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.000 I just wanna be responsible for my life changing, right like. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.560 And I think that it's just it was a lot, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:13.199 you know what I mean? 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.000 That night they wanted to do uh what you call 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.760 control deliveries, so you'd call, you know, a call a 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.600 customer and tell ma'mas and go kill 'em drugs and 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:38.120 they're arrest 'em. But there was too much to do 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.160 in them a few hours, like to be sitting there 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.160 and it was getting lad to finding they they we 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.000 made a couple of calls and that was her fault 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.800 for them to be sitting in front of you, like here, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.240 make the call, call this person and they're sitting in 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.280 front of you. And we had to lie, and we 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.559 had to call customers that we had for many years 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.679 and be like and basically settlement. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:10.880 So it could be arrested. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:11.880 M H. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:13.640 How did that feel? 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:16.280 It's like. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.720 It's gonna be one of those define moments a team 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.480 in my life where you know, there was really high 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:32.120 highs and really low loads we made up eat a 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.120 few of those calls, and it was getting late in 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.760 the night and they decided that we were. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:43.680 Gonna end there. The team remember Belt, like, I just 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.000 can't believe just what we did. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.520 The first off was Kenosha County Jail in Wisconsin and 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.120 a change in identity for protection, they could no longer 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.720 use or be referred to by their real names. 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:20.760 It took us to a county jail, to Kenosha County Jail, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.719 and that's when reality was and start standing in a 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.880 little bit. Took us and uh, they changed their name, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.120 they changed their name, and they gave us the last 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:42.440 name for Maris. My name was gonna be Mark Ramers 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:47.560 and Peter was Quant Rumors. And in Kenosha there's a 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.920 federally like a federal holdover, and uh, this is a 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.720 county jail. They made us change and you know the 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.199 thirty years, they give you orange socks with wholes in 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:05.600 them and slippers, shower shows, and they put us in 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.520 a in this one unit, it's like down twenty three 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.400 hours a day. And uh, I remember walking seeing the 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.160 phone like, am I gonna be able to use phone? Yeah, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.400 when it's your turn. So basically that one person out 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.720 an hour a day just in that little unit. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 So they go down the l down the line. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.080 So I remember just observing, like I'm asking questions. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.800 People were like, oh, where are you from? You know, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.040 asking those questions. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.120 I'm gonna guess that some of them are cooperator as well, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.679 cause they're they're there, and it looks like they've been 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.800 there for a long time too, cause they're settled in in. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.880 This ugly place. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.679 The doors steel wire crisscross kind of a through their 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.600 seat through so and like you get privacy. They can 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.080 see right through your and it's just old. Everything's old. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.040 And yes, the door on the shut it's so wired. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.000 It's like a you know, it has a like almost 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.640 like a gate on it stealav. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.760 And they it's separated. So they put my brother in one. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.760 It's one bad one bunk and they put my brother 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.040 in one. They put me in the other. I remember 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.839 me and brother's like like Jay, like don't go to sleep. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:34.840 So we uh the doors like here, and I basically 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.719 just sat down on the door and. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.439 He sat down in the door. So you lean against 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.760 it against the door and we're just talking. We don't 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.280 have to talk a lot because you know, it's. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.719 Open, you're right next to each of them, and just. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:47.400 I remember it. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.400 Just I was like, what did we do? And she's like, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.120 you know, wondering about our family. That's gonna be like 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.719 the beginning of the stress of wondering. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.080 Are they okay? I have the kids, okay, I wonder 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:02.640 what they're doing. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.520 I want you know, I think anybody in prison always 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.760 thinks about those things at this very moment, you know. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:18.160 And we didn't sleep. They bring breakfast like a fight 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.680 during in the morning. It was terrible. It was like 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.920 rits and who knows what we we didn't need. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.680 I don't think me and my brother didn't eat, probably 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:31.760 for the next five days, and. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.080 We would drink like water something or juice. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.840 And I probably lost those first two weeks, probably lost 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:38.480 thirty pounds. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.360 After a brief stay in Kenosha, Pete and Jay, now 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.040 under a different alias, were moved to the Metropolitan Correctional 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.840 Center in Chicago, sixty two miles away. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.760 The team came first, and you know, they took us 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.520 to Chicago. It was a caravan, like a big caravan 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:03.000 of Marshalls. That's gonna be the normal from that point. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.800 And they take me to together what you just. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:09.800 It's me and my brother. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:14.160 Yeah, together, we're like a a special hold where we 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.000 have a three men hold. So it said one lieutenant 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:22.160 and two officers every time we get moved, so that 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.400 mean that there's me and my brother. So at first 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.800 it was hard because they needed two lieutenants, you know, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.480 four officers, and we're talking on a place that doesn't 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.760 have that many guards. So it didn't take long before 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.880 we couldn't start being o paining their asses. They take 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.920 us to use the training's office, put us in a 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.000 conference room, and that's why. Actually first for the first time, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.920 I meet Thomas Shaksha, I meet Michael Ferar, who are 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.840 gonna be the lead. It was a training in the case. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.800 I meet the agents that we've been speaking to. That's 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.880 Eric Doronte, who was the agent in charge of the case. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.480 We meet Tim Janelli. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.680 The twins were now face to face with the government 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.360 team behind the l Chapo case, the people who would 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.840 ultimately decide the twins' future. Sam Janelle was the first 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.120 agent Pete and Jay ever spoke to. If you remember, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.960 it was back in that sixteen person shower that they 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:27.520 had in Mexico. Janelle worked alongside Eric Durante, the DA's 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.360 special agent assigned to the case, who had also been 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.640 working on it from the beginning. With them were the 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.600 assistant US attorneys, Michael Ferrara and Thomas Shakeshaft. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.320 Shake Shaft was the lead prosecutor. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 He first met Pete in that secret hotel room meeting 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:44.520 back in Mexico. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.280 That started everything. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.880 They're my attorneys there, they need us, probably talked for 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.360 twenty minutes and then they're like, we need you to 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.360 continue on with this corporation. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.479 We started working. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.560 And going into a grand jury to in day chapel that. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.600 Day, and me and my brother got it. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.960 That's what they want from us, Like, that was our 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.440 bargaining to us, and that's. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:22.320 The first thing that they want. Can they basically. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.399 You know when they took our phones from us, what happened, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:30.359 whether people were calling their phone and the ages are 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.440 there sending back messages pretending to be yeah, like basically 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.719 like oh listen, so and so been calling. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.040 He said he needs twenty five keys. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.200 Cooperating isn't what you might expect. It doesn't stop happening 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.439 just because you go to prison. At this point, the 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.920 twins had no idea that this would carry on for years, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.520 and so the US government could put El Chapo behind bars. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.440 For the first eight months, it. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.639 Was all day, every single day, calling and setting up 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.360 their customers and friends. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.439 I do feel responsible for like making decisions for a 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.400 lot of people, like not just my family, I made 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.200 a decision for a lot of people that went to jail. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.200 How many people went to jail because of what you did, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.520 Like how many roughly. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.160 I want to sit in totally over one hundred people 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:29.560 for sure. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.680 When they were finished for the day, they would head 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.840 back in a big convoy to mcc Chicago. MCC Chicago 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.280 is not what you might think a normal prison looks like. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.080 It's a skyscraper in the middle of the city. It's 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.600 one big triangle designed that way to be easier to 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.240 keep an eye on everyone. The roof of the giant 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.719 triangle is used as the recreation yard. While you're shooting hoops, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.720 you can kind of look out on the amazing views 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.040 of downtown Chicago. It's used as a holding prison for 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.840 those that have not yet been sentenced. Because of the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.640 danger of what the twins were doing. They couldn't simply 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:12.320 be held with. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.160 All the other prisoners. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.400 They were a part of the WITSEC program, basically in 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.840 prison witness protection, which meant they had to be kept 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.800 in the SHU special housing unit known as the Shoe. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.280 The shoe is a bit like solitary confinement. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.760 Because they were helping the government, Pete and j were 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.600 given a few special privileges. They were allowed to be 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.960 together in the shoe. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.760 Walking to the shore, I was like, oh, of shit, 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.320 like this is this is prison? 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:49.760 Like what. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.959 There's like a little gay indigal bunch of self nor 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.040 where it's like just hardway inter is a bunch of cells, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.040 these weird it's like a triangle and they have two 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:10.240 sides and they take us to a back cell. It's 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.760 two bucks and like it's ugly dirty, you know, paint chripping. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:15.919 It's so fucking cold. 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:17.600 You know. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.280 It was the first time. I think I really like 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.440 took it in, like all the other things. So much 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:27.280 going on. I remember they close chuckhold and we remember 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:28.280 stands the orange. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.440 We just like look at each other. They're in shit 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:37.760 in there, like yo, what the fuck do we do now? 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.679 We're getting anxious, like no communication. We haven't talked to 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.800 our family. I think our Lord told they're okay. They've 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.119 been calling or something like that, but that wasn't good 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.919 enough for us, Like, okay, what it was this I 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:55.280 wanna tell you, like this torture in us, like we 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.960 f say, if we draws of bones or withdraws of 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.760 all are what we were used to for others. You're 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.400 just now we're sitting in a fucking town. They were 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:06.320 nothing in there. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.240 The life of a drug dealer is twenty four to seven. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.640 And if you remember, Pete and j had fifty phones 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.880 each constantly ringing. They were heavily involved in the day 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.160 to day running of the business and made sure they 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.280 never missed a phone call. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.400 You know, it's scary to hear phones ringing when they're 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:33.840 not ringing, could you hear? Yeah, I think, And you 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.919 know how messed up your brain. 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.600 Getting in the quiet of a prison cell. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:45.160 Pete was still hearing phones ringing inside his head. 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.879 The first night was like terrible, and it was a 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:15.560 while before we even saw a guard, I think, and 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:20.080 they'll come just looking and we're just like sitting there 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:25.560 like like this fucking place is nasty. It was hard 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:31.520 that first nights, talking about it is freezing. We have 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:37.240 no blanket, we have nothing, you know, we have like 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.280 a T shirt on, like a small T shirt and 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.240 just a jump shore and we're freezing. I'm talking about 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.840 like shaky. It has to be like forty degrees and 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:52.320 we're shaky. Night there's icicles on the wall. They shut 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.919 the lights off at ten o'clock and I remember you 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.840 could see the roaches come out, just shining. 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:06.640 Roaches or where they came early for us. 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.600 The next day turned six, there's the marshals come for us, 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.560 and they. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.080 Put it like you know, we go through the process. 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:21.000 It will be like quite a few marshals and they'll 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:22.600 they'll pick us up in like a bult of cud, 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.520 take us down the back to the federal building. 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:26.879 And that was kind of became a routine. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.200 So you basically we're in the shoe and then they 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.840 transported you down the road to the federal building to. 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.560 The federal building where we'd go and they start off 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.520 like at a conference room or you know, an office 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:43.240 and then they take you back to. 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:50.439 Yeah, it will bring the laptop for us to like 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:56.840 review whatever document, whatever the case is, and you have 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:57.480 the battup. 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.280 Then they end up starting to stop something. I was 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.560 like doing something else to use to try allegiance I 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.440 have a look. I've seen that they had windows open 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.320 in the computer and I hit the window. 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.480 You don't want me to say that story? What's woman? 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.200 Don't forget Pete and j haven't seen each other much 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.240 since they were in prison together, so there's occasionally some 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.840 brotherly tension in the room. Some of this stuff is 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.600 being spoken about between them for the very first time. 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.080 It's Jay's wife file that you can hear in the background. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.040 I mean, you could story what I was saying. You 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.960 went to the funding agents fucking for pure and hit window. Legion. 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:38.800 You don't want to go be like, oh, you're manipulating 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:40.840 the age you said in this fucking interview. 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:41.800 Don't say that, but. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:44.480 Say a word. 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:47.520 Computer I did. 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.200 It's not for you to go through that's the crime. 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.760 Come on, man, Yeah, it's part of the story. Is 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.800 that seeing that parts not important? Okay, I'm just saying that. 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.320 You don't want to open a cain of words over it. 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.240