1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: All these rules, guys, so many of them. Who wants 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: to follow? Which one should we follow? Well, it's been 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: difficult for Jim Harbaugh and Michigan. That news is breaking 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: even as I record, So why not start there, Cause 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: like fifty five of you have already asked me about 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: this and the news is as I record, about ten 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: minutes old. So Ross Dellinger now with Yahoo Sports. By 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: the way, congrats to Ross on the new deal. Drops 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: a Ross bomb on us all this morning. And that 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: is that sources say Michigan's Jim Harbaugh and the NCAA 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: are working towards a four game suspension over a recruiting investigation. Now, 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: I know some of you in any given show are 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: new to college football and probably new to the show, 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: so welcome aboard. If you're new, subscribe please, I'm Josh Pate. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: We just do college football all year. You may think 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: to yourself, why would they be working towards a suspension? Well, kids, 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: the NCAA hit Michigan with what would be called a 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: notice of allegations a little while ago, and that's just 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: meaning they investigated you. They found you did some bad things, 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: including multiple Level two violations. I don't even want to 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: get into all what that means, but it means you 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: did some bad stuff. Now we're gonna go before the 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: Committee on Infractions and you're gonna get your actual punishment. Well, 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh said, nah ah, what you alleged against me 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: did not happen. And really what it was is back 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: during the COVID years where things were shut down a 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: little bit, probably more so than they should have been 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: in the Big ten, they had some visits that they 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't have had. They had some texts that were being 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: sent during dead periods. Really stuff that doesn't make much 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: sense to you until you understand the landscape of college sports. Well, 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: those are what we call level two violations. And if 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: you get caught doing it, yeah, you may lose a 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: couple of scholarships, you may go on like a one 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: year two year probation, but you can't even tell if 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: you're just a fan watching the games on Saturday, you 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: can't even tell. But if you lie about it, that's 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: considered a level one violation. And apparently Jim Harball lied 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: about it. And for a while he said he didn't 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: lie about it, but now it seems like he's ready 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: to at least on paper, admit, Okay, I lied about it, 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: and that, friends, is what the negotiation between the University 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: of Michigan, Jim Harbaugh and the NCAA has apparently been 44 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: about all this time now. According to Ross, that's exactly 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: what we're looking at here. We're probably looking at a 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: four game suspension. And I know everyone's mind, just like mine, 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: shifted immediately to okay, So he's gonna be suspended four games. 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Michigan screwed. Who are they playing? 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: East Carolina UNLV, Bowling Green and Rutgers, Because when your 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: schedule is a landfill, your coach could probably take a 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: nap on the sideline on Saturdays in the fall and 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: Michigan would still be okay until like halfway through the 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: season when there's finally a. 54 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Pulse, like a faint heartbeat on the schedule. And that's 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: no disrespect towards those three schools. They're not Michigan, though, 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: and Michigan has no business playing close games with him. 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm very interested by the way in Ross's report he 58 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: says Sharon Moore, who's the offensive coordinator there, he may 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: incur some penalties too. Let's just see what that's about. 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: So those are my initial thoughts on the Jim Harbaugh 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: potential suspension. Again, this is kind of just breaking. I'm 62 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: sure there's gonna be a lot of conversation. Oh and 63 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: by the way, we're scheduled to sit down with Jim 64 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Harbaugh in about forty eight hours at Big ten Media Days, 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that should be fun and exciting for everyone. 66 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: And now I know it sounded like I was getting 67 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: out of that point, but what actually happened is I 68 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: had to hit pause because I went on CBS Sports 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: HQ to do a live hit there. So there's been 70 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: about a thirty minute gap between the last sentence in 71 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: this sentence. But in the meantime, I did some thinking. 72 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think in the future, this is going 73 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: to be a lot more conference thing than an NCAA thing. 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: And I've talked to you guys about this before, Like, 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: I think we're headed towards a world where conferences, maybe 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: it's collectively, maybe it's individually, they sort of police themselves, 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: and it may be done in an unofficial manner. So 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's gonna be some announcement like during 79 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: a presidential State of the Union from Washington, DC. This 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: is announced but I do think down the road this 81 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: stuff will happen less and less so. For again, for 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: those of you who are kind of new to this process, 83 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: people's strategy for a million years has been to lie 84 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: to the NC DOUBLEA if they actually did something wrong, 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: because the thought and they're not wrong. The thought has been, well, 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: they really don't have subpoena power like an actual investigative 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: body does, so they really can't force me to say anything. 88 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: So unless they have rock solid evidence, unless they have 89 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: text message transcripts, unless someone flipped and narked, then will 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: be good. And that has worked for a long time, 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: by the way, But the strategy has been that not 92 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: because you don't want to get caught, Yes, certainly you 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: don't want to get caught. The strategy has been people 94 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: think that the NC DOUBLEA responds to the flick of 95 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: an ear with an atomic bomb, and it will cripple 96 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: a program, and they have no clue how to actually 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: handle the sanctions phase, like the punishment phase, and unlike 98 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: the Michigan thing right now now, sometimes you end up 99 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: punishing kids and people who were in a program that 100 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the reasons the penalties have 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: been handed down and so people have looked at that 102 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: in the past and says, screw that, We're not taking 103 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: that chance. We'll we'll just deny, deny, deny. If you 104 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: guys went back and watched the thirty for thirty Pony 105 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Excess on SMU, one of the boosters that was interviewed 106 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: for the documentary said, if the NC DOUBLEA comes to you, 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: you just gotta suck it up and deny, deny, deny. 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: And I don't recommend that strategy elsewhere in life, but yeah, man, 109 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: if the NC DOUBLEA came on the campus of Pate 110 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: State and I had been stocking the vending machines with 111 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: red Bull and it has a substance banned by the 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA, I am not flipping on my kids. Sorry, 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: it's not happening. Don't drink red Bull though there are 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: better alternatives out there, and they don't sponsor the show. 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: It's just an example. And one other thing you should 116 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: know is, I mean I've been messing with the audio 117 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: because I had to flip back and forth. So Bradley 118 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: the associate is eventually going to edit this. I don't 119 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: even know which audio source I'm using right now, to 120 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: be honest, I have to get on the road to 121 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Indianapolis in a little while. And so I'm I'm not 122 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: even going to listen to this. I'm just gonna blindly 123 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: trust that the blue bars on the screen in front 124 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: of me mean that audio is coming through. And we're 125 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty decent podcast today, because what should 126 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: the standard be if not pretty decent? Okay, so I 127 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: put it out on Twitter this morning, So give me 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: those questions. I said, include hometowns, and I said, don't 129 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: be cussing, And you guys followed through to about a 130 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: ninety fifth percentile. You followed through. And so let's just 131 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: dive in. Let's do a thing that we don't normally do. 132 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read ahead of time. I'm just 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: gonna scan and I'm going to answer. Mcdamien said, can 134 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: we get a mood tracker on Iowa State? I think 135 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: that they're ready to get back to relevance. So return 136 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: to relevance if we believe in bookend alliteration there. I 137 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: love Iowa State. I am biased towards Ohio State. I 138 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: don't run from it or apologize. This is a school 139 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that has Hulk Hogan color scheme and a Tornado as 140 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: a mascot. I don't know how anyone doesn't root for that. 141 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: You guys live your life, I'll live mine. I think 142 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: that Matt Campbell had them on the precipice of you 143 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: know a lot of stuff a couple of years ago. 144 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: Your boy even got drunk on the kool aid here 145 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: to the point that, yes, I did predict Iowa State 146 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: to go to the college football playoff. And you've never 147 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: heard me apologize for it. You have heard me take 148 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot of scorn and ridicule for it. And that's okay. 149 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I like Matt Campbell. Okay, here's the mistake I think 150 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: people make. They're doing it with Dave Randa too. These 151 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: programs are not supposed to be good. Baylor football, Iowa 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: State football. If you've been around this sport, you know 153 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: those are supposed to be the wins that you pad 154 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: your schedule with. They are not supposed to be beating you. 155 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: And so anytime they do that is the exception to 156 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the rule. Well, we have the attention span and memory 157 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: of a grapefruit these days in this sport. So the 158 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: minute someone starts winning, you just assume, all right, they're 159 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: always supposed to win. Well, no, you're not. Like people 160 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: are down on Dave Randa right now, he's got the 161 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: best opening three year stretch that any head coaches had 162 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: in the history of Baylor football. Matt Campbell at Iowa 163 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: State has done things over a more extended period of time. 164 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: No one else, it says, done in the history of 165 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: that program. But if you think a win is a 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: win and a loss as a loss, and you are 167 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: what your record says you are, and you don't add 168 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: in context and understand the layering of college football, you 169 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: judge Iowa State on the same scale as Texas. Well, 170 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: why not, Josh, they're in the same conference. Well I'll 171 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: tell you why they're not the same programs. So Iowa 172 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: State all of a sudden, they quote unquote dip and 173 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: they're not winning eight or nine games, They're winning five 174 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: or six games. That's normal. That's normal. What it should 175 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: be at a program like Iowa State, if you do 176 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: win is history says it should be. You build up 177 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: to one year and boom, hopefully everything goes right. You 178 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: got a senior laden roster and you get the balances 179 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: of balls and turn over luck and maybe you win 180 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: nine games. Okay, you should regress to five or six 181 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: wins the next year. That's how it should happen. And 182 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened to Iowa State. And now 183 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: people have forgotten about him, And now all of a sudden, 184 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: people who thought Matt Campbell was a great coach's now 185 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: now he waited too long. And from what I can tell, 186 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't think the guy's been in a hurry to 187 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: get out of ames Iowa to begin with. So, as 188 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: someone who is very, very comfortable speaking for all Iowa Stadians, 189 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, we're just ready to get back to 190 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: national relevance. We're ready to matter on that national scale. 191 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, if we don't, it's not the 192 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: end of the world. We're not gonna burn it down 193 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: to the ground like maybe some of you people do 194 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: with your warped expectations, and shame on the rest of you. 195 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm back, Let's see where do we want 196 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: to go. Kyle hit us up and said, which old 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: school conference do you miss the most? The Southwest Conference, 198 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: the Big Eight, or the Big East. 199 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Man. 200 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: You could give a good answer for the Big East here, 201 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: but there is no answer that's going to supersede the 202 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: Southwest Conference. For me, this is back when food was 203 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a major player. Rice was in the Southwest Conference. Yes, 204 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: once upon a time, Rice was there. I was at 205 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: the gym yesterday, by the way, and there was there 206 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: was a lady who was walking around on the track upstairs. 207 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: She had a Rice sweatshirt on and every time she 208 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: walked by, I just said food, food, food, and she 209 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: did a lot of laps. So it was a lot 210 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: of food running around YMCA the other day. But I digress. Yeah, 211 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: the Southwest Conference was great. The documentary, you know, I 212 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: just mentioned it already, but Pony Excess shows you a 213 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: really good snapshot of what the Southwest Conference was like. 214 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Cheating everywhere. The Southwest Conference was to passing cash like 215 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: the mid nineties was to steroids in baseball. And you 216 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: can look back on those eras one of two ways. 217 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: You can need to look back and say, oh, it 218 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: was a stain on the game, how terrible, or you 219 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: look you can look back at say wow, Bonds maguire, 220 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: that was pretty entertaining. Whatever it took, it was pretty entertaining. 221 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: I feel the same way when I look back and 222 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: watched The Ultimate Warrior at WrestleMania six. Uh, you know, 223 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: I doubt that cliff bars and four sets of incline 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: bench got him looking like that, but it entertained me. 225 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't actually old enough to know what was happening there, 226 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: but I can go back and watch it. It entertained me. 227 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: And with the Southwest conference, people knew what was going on. 228 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: It was still entertaining. You guys got to watch that documentary. 229 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: If you haven't already, I guess you would go on 230 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: ESPN Plus and they would have all the thirty for thirties. 231 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: But it was a wild, wild time, and I think 232 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: it's made all the better if you're like me. You 233 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: certainly weren't old enough to I wasn't alive for a 234 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of that. And even if even if you were born, 235 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: maybe you were like a little kid, so you didn't 236 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: get it. Like if you were the thirty year old 237 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: version or even the twenty year old version of yourself 238 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and you were experiencing it, you would get it. So 239 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: all we have is documentaries. All we have, Like Skip Bayless, 240 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: I know you guys have an opinion of him today. 241 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: Skip Bayless was working for I think the Dallas Morning 242 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: News at the time. Like there was a huge newspaper 243 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: war in the city of Dallas, akin to what it 244 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: would be like today to have big shows on like 245 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: ESPN or Fox or CBS. Well, newspapers used to be 246 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: the name of the game, and so they're all covering 247 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: SMU for the scandal there. But it's located in the 248 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: heart of the Southwest Conference. And it was a bunch 249 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: of Texas schools in Arkansas that was the Southwest Conference, 250 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: and it had its own unique culture, its own unique flavor. 251 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, some of us still believe that 252 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: conferences should feel like that. Cameron from Burley, Idaho, he said, 253 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: who in your eyes has the potential to be this 254 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: season's TCU so an unranked preseason team with zero expectation 255 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: to make the college football Playoff. I have to remember 256 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: off the top of my head who's unranked right now? 257 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: I got two of them. For me, it's either Wisconsin 258 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: or Oregon State. Like Wisconsin, you understand what would have 259 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to happen there. So Luke Fickle comes in, the offense 260 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: just gets it done in year one. That means Tanner 261 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: Mordecai transferred in and he was great at quarterback. That 262 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: means the offense transitioned under Phil Longo to something the 263 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: likes of which you really haven't seen in Wisconsin. You 264 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: understand though, like if those things were to happen, this 265 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: isn't a program that has a poverty roster. They're not elite, 266 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: but they don't have a poverty roster. And they've been 267 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: built along the lines of scrimmage really well to where 268 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: they won't get pushed around, or they shouldn't. So if 269 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: that were to happen, you got a really good head 270 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: coach there, and they got guys like Braylen Allen still there. 271 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: But they went fishing in the portal and they caught 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: enough really really good players that playing in the Big 273 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: ten West and getting Ohio State at home, you know, 274 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: just a couple of things go their way. Yeah, they 275 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: could be a contender. And in Oregon State, no one 276 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: will believe in them until they forced them to. And 277 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: even if they were a ten win team last year, 278 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: no one will believe in them. So if if this 279 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: were to happen, if dj Ouyangolile goes out there and 280 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: all he does is fulfill on his former five star potential, 281 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the team around him is good enough 282 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: where they can win any game they play, I don't 283 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: think they play Southern cal in the regular season. By 284 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: the way, we had a hypothetical post the other night 285 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: on Late Kick Live, and I think it was a 286 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: bold prediction, and it was either Oregon or Oregon State. 287 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: The state of Oregon will produce a college football playoff team. 288 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: On the surface, that sounds so crazy because on the 289 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: surface you've been trained to believe the Pac twelve can't 290 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: do that period, and with good reason, because they haven't 291 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: in like six years. But it would not throw me 292 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: against the wall and shock me if that were to happen. 293 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: In fact, that Civil War game the end of the year, 294 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: it's a Friday, so the last Friday of the regular 295 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: season Black Friday, they after Thanksgiving. That one could be 296 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: really interesting. Who knows, who knows who may be out there. 297 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: That was a good question though. Next up, Peyton said 298 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: the two thousands felt like college football at its most fun. 299 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: There were different teams winning almost every year. Our dynasty's 300 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: bad for the sport and bad for the average fans entertainment. Well, Peyton, 301 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I get where you're going with this. I don't know 302 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: how we define average fan. I think what you mean 303 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: by that is a kind of a drive by fan, 304 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of fan in college football like 305 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I am in the NBA. I couldn't care less about 306 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: the NBA in the regular season, Yet there I was 307 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: at an NBA Finals game in Miami, and that's about 308 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: when I'll watch. I don't know that I would cater 309 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: the sport to the average fan. Now this is where 310 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: many people in my industry disagree with me, But that's 311 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: only because they're foolish enough to think you can take 312 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: what we call P one and P twos for granted. 313 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: P one's your most diehard layer of fandom. P two 314 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: is folks that pretty much aren't gonna miss anything. Neither 315 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: one of you are going to a fall wedding on 316 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: a Saturday, like you're pretty locked in. There are people 317 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: who misguidedly think you can take them for granted, you 318 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: can treat them any way you want to. They'll always 319 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: be there. Let's go after the casuals. And what happens 320 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: is you go after the casuals and they don't come regardless, 321 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: and then you come back and you find out, Wow, 322 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: kind of lost some of the P ones here, didn't 323 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: we we're the P twos. NASCAR Pro Wrestling both did 324 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: this late nineties early two thousands, So I don't really 325 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: I love the average fan becoming a Tier two and 326 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: P two or P one fan, but I'm not gonna 327 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: alter my thought on what's good for the sport just 328 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: to attract them. And as for the two thousands, I 329 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: agree with you. I agree that the two thousands gave 330 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: us probably the most exciting decade in the history of 331 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: this sport. And for those who don't remember that, I 332 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: mean Peyton's talking about dynasties here, and yeah, we've been 333 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of in the Alabama dynasty world for a long time, 334 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: but back then, in that decade alone, you started the millennium, 335 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Like in two thousand, Oklahoma one, then it was Miami 336 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: in Ohio state the next year, and LSU and Southern 337 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Cal split the title in three. Southern Cal won it 338 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: in four, Texas and five Florida in six, LSU and seven, 339 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: Florida again in eight, Alabama in two thousand and nine, 340 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: Auburn in twenty ten. You notice you had a couple 341 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: of Florida's there, And if you just go by the BCS, 342 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: that's it. That's the only repeat champ. The only other 343 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: one that pulled it off was Southern Cal. But Southern 344 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Cal did not win the BCS in two thousand and three. 345 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: That was an AP national championship, So they only won 346 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the BCS title game one time. That right there is insane. 347 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: And then you go into the next decade and Alabama 348 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: wins it in eleven, twelve, fifteen, seventeen, and twenty Clemson 349 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: won two of them, and then you had the Florida 350 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: State year in the Ohio State year and LSU in 351 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But it just felt like a death grip 352 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: got put on the sport. Well, my point there would 353 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: be in response, I don't think the sport was any 354 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: different in the twenty teens than it was in the 355 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: two thousands. It's a transcendently great head coach came in 356 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: at a major program and took advantage of what could 357 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: always have been taken advantage of. Make no mistake, by 358 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: the way, had Saban stayed at LSU, LSU would have 359 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: been running off those national championships. I have no doubt 360 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: in my mind about that, and so it was going 361 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: to happen. But yeah, it took a little while longer 362 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 1: that those two thousands years though they were so awesome, 363 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: and that was also an era, you know, not to 364 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: go back to just like full rewind mode. That was 365 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: also the last era before people really cared about what 366 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: other people thought a whole lot, at least when it 367 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: came to social media and stuff like that. That was 368 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: when social media was kind of first. It was around, 369 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: but it wasn't you know that society had drowned itself 370 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: in it yet, and so you didn't really care like 371 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: what other people were gonna think. And also when you 372 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: were at sporting events, you didn't really care to capture 373 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: the moment on cell phone. You cared to capture the 374 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: moment with your eyes and your ears and your senses 375 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: and your mind. And one hundred thousand people doing that 376 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: collectively is an amazing thing. It's also called the hippie movement. 377 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: Google it, kids, and now A sport's still great, and 378 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: there are things that technology has done, and there are 379 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: things that advancements have done, but there's some things I 380 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: think they've taken away too. I always say, if you 381 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: could pick a sweet spot, you just dropped me in 382 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: any given decade of this sport, that year, like oh 383 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: to nine, I think those years that would be where 384 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: I go, because that was when the sport felt the 385 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: most fun, the most authentic. It was the best blue 386 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: end of technology, coming of age, but also not coming 387 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: of age to the point where you started to strip 388 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: away some things. We were also in the pre Bowl 389 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: opt out era. We were in the pre playoff era, 390 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: so no one ever said meaningless November game. No one 391 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: ever talked about playoff implications. No one spoke like that, 392 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: like these were phrases that literally did not exist back then. 393 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: And it was awesome. It was awesome because, yeah, you 394 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: wanted to win a national title. But it was also 395 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: awesome because if Clemson in South Carolina were like seven 396 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: and five teams at the end of the year, that 397 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: game still felt like an absolute war just because of 398 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: what was on the line that Saturday. No one said, well, 399 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: this game's meaningless because neither team's going to the playoff. 400 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: No one thought like that. It was just Saturday, That's 401 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: what mattered. And I get worked up about it because 402 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: I see no reason why people still can't think that way. 403 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: But that's my world, So yeah, I agree with that. 404 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: Let's go with Houson. Houson says, what is the big 405 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: question possibility that no one's talking about? I think it 406 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: is what if none of the major programs really get 407 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: it figured out at quarterback? In other words, what if 408 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: Georgia and Alabama and Ohio State none of them get 409 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: high level quarterback play. That's unlikely, but what if it happened. 410 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: And what if I got to add on to this, 411 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: What if Caleb Williams is great again at USC but 412 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: defense doesn't improve. So I just took Ohio State, I 413 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: took Bama, I took Georgia, and I took Southern cal 414 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: And I made them far less likely to win a title. 415 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: And if they do it, they're not going to do 416 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: it with an elite team. Think about what I just 417 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: did to the picture. People think that's so unlikely that 418 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: they don't consider it. But if that were to happen, 419 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: what did it do to the picture? I'll tell you 420 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: what it did. It opened the door for Michigan to 421 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: win a national championship. It opened the door for Texas 422 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: to win a national championship. It opens the door for 423 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: an Oregon to come out of nowhere. If Tennessee's good 424 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: again this year, it opens that door LSU Florida State, 425 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: especially the winner of that Week one game. All of 426 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a sudden, they could be trending towards being able to 427 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: do that. We could get a result like we haven't 428 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: seen in quite a while. We could get a new 429 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: team on the number one podium at the end of 430 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: the year, maybe that we haven't seen in quite a while. 431 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: And that's not even to mention what could happen in 432 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: the in the sort of b conversation, like what if 433 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: Texas A and M takes advantage of that and wins 434 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: ten games? Maybe they don't go to the playoff, But 435 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: what if that were to happen. What if, hey, I 436 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't even mention Penn State. Penn State could be a 437 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: prime player in that picture. Maybe Notre Dame, maybe Clemson. 438 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: I know you wouldn't get as excited about Clemson because 439 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: you've seen that before. But yeah, if that's not spoken 440 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: about right now, because I just don't think people believe 441 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: it could happen, but I think it could happen. Not likely, 442 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: but I think it could happen. Next up is Austin. 443 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: Austin's got a good one, but you're gonna have to 444 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: wait for it because we've got to do this first. 445 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: What a total dive bomb of an ad toss. Good 446 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: for me, so Austin brings us back to reality here 447 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: he says, what do college players and especially incoming freshmen 448 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: care about more higher likelihood of conference in national titles 449 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: or playing time. Would players riding a bench but collecting 450 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: rings leave a program for star player attention for possible 451 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: elevated draft stocks. So he's essentially saying, do you care 452 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: more about the hardware? Do you care more about being 453 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: in the spotlight even if it means you aren't playing, 454 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: or do you want to play? And I think most 455 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: people want the latter, and I think that it comes 456 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: with a caveat. So the elite minded and elite physically 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: gifted players believe you can just do both. Like one 458 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: of the time tested traditions of negative recruiting is look 459 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: at a Georgia or look at an Ohio State, look 460 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: at a Bama's dealt with this for a long time 461 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: and tell kids, why would you go there and be 462 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: just another rung on the ladder when you could come 463 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: here you could be the whole ladder. We're about hardware 464 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden for some reason, and they tell them, 465 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: why why go there and just be a part of 466 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: that machine instead of come here and you could build 467 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: a machine, or they tell them you're going to ride 468 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: the bench there for two years, you'd play here immediately. Well, 469 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: in the elite mind, that's just you telling me they're 470 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: the better program. I should go play for them. And 471 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: by the way, you're doubting me. Why should I listen 472 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: to someone who doubts that I can play at the 473 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: highest level. Now, for a weaker minded person, sometimes that works. 474 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: They scare you from going to the major program and 475 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: they convince you to come here. Now, notice I'm using 476 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: the word elite. There are some kids who have three 477 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: stars next to their name on their high school recruiting profile, 478 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: and they really are a three star player. They do 479 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: not have the maximum potential to be a future first 480 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: round draft pick. So let's just say that star rating 481 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: is true. They don't need to be looking at the 482 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: same places that some of these elite kids that come 483 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: off the board need to be looking. And so for them, 484 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I absolutely think most of them would rather go and 485 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: start at Purdue and potentially, you know, maximize their draft stock, 486 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: then go sit on the bench for three years at 487 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: Ohio State and maybe hope they crack the starting rotation 488 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: their senior year. But most likely they're a reserve player 489 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: and only the hardcore fans even know their name, and 490 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: they don't really even get tape out, and blah blah blah. 491 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: I also think that the first versus second time around 492 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: in recruiting is a world of difference when you're being 493 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: recruited out of high school. We've been talking about this 494 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: a lot. When you're getting recruited out of high school, 495 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: so much stuff matters. The flash matters, like I think, 496 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: is the dumbest thing in the world. And I want 497 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: everyone on every recruiting staff to listen to me, because 498 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: you all know it's true, because you all say it 499 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: after work every day. Posing with pictures of sports cars 500 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: outside of your football complex is the dumbest thing and 501 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: the biggest waste of money. Everyone knows it. Every recruiter 502 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: talks about it, every staff talks about it, every design 503 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: person talks about it. And yet no one wants to 504 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: stop because you think that the other guy won't stop, 505 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: so it gives your leg up. Well, you also won't 506 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: stop because it actually works for some kids. You notice 507 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: how when you're in the transfer portal and you're looking 508 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: to transfer, no kid in the transfer portal is really 509 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: taking pictures and cars. It's just not what they care 510 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: about as much. They've gone through all that junk. They 511 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: know what actually matters. They've learned what doesn't matter most importantly, 512 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: and they really want to get in there with a 513 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: notebook pad in their hand and a pen, and they 514 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: want to get in there and they want to shut 515 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: the door, and they want to talk to coaches, and 516 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: they want to feel out the program and find out 517 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: can I maximize myself here? And they probably have a 518 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: checklist if they're smart about it, and they want to 519 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: know everything from play calling to nutrition, and they want 520 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: to know everything from how do you handle mental health here? 521 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: To can I meet your trainers because I've had like 522 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: fluid build up on my knee be a chronic issue? 523 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Do they understand how to treat and prevent my specific 524 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: kinds of injuries? That stuff matters. High school seniors aren't 525 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: talking about that. They don't even know to ask about that. 526 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: So I think that it depends heavily, Austin, on where 527 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: you are in your college football life. Thomas from Warrior 528 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Alabama is next up, and he said, if you could 529 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: pick a Week nine game to go to right now, 530 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: no further information, you got to pick now, which one 531 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: would you go to? Here are the choices, Georgia Florida, 532 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: Oregon at Utah, Oklahoma at Kansas, Ohio State at Wisconsin, 533 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: South Carolina at Texas, A and M. I would choose 534 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: Buckeye's Badgers here. I've never been to a game at Wisconsin. 535 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: That's their biggest game of the year. That is one 536 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: of Ohio State's toughest road games of the year. It's 537 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: the toughest until they go to Michigan at the end 538 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: of the year. You're never guaranteed to see a team again. 539 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: So with Ohio State, like, I'm pretty sure I'll see 540 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: them at least one other time this year. I don't 541 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: know that I would ever see Wisconsin again. In fact, 542 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, I don't know that I've ever 543 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: seen Wisconsin play a football game in person. I think 544 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: that's right, that's egregious, that's terrible. Okay, So I would 545 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: pick Ohio State at Wisconsin. That was a pretty easy 546 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: answer for me. Denville, New Jersey, let's get this one 547 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: out of the way. Trevor said, which non conference matchup 548 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: are you looking forward to the most. That would be 549 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: Texas at Alabama. I've spoken about it many times. I'm 550 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: not going to spend a lot of time on it. 551 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that you could take I don't think 552 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: you could take any more. And injected into that game, 553 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: you've got the Sark Saban thing. I don't mean versus 554 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: It's not like they're mortal enemies. I mean there are 555 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: some people whispering doubt about Nick Saban. There are some 556 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: people whispering doubt about Steve Sarkisian. If sark were to 557 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: win that day, it's Texas's back at full throat. It's 558 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian has arrived. It is a ton of questions 559 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: being asked about Alabama, even though they wouldn't have even 560 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: entered conference play yet, and vice versa. If Alabama wins 561 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: that game, especially if it's convincing, if it's like forty 562 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: one to twenty three, Hey, did anyone write off Alabama? 563 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: You may want to rethink that right quick. Next up, 564 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: Homer said, your new profile picture is not paid state material. Well, Homer, 565 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm in the picture, so in a sense it has 566 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: to be. A girl asked me the other day if 567 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: she was paid state material. I want you guys to 568 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: know that she's very attractive. She asked me if she 569 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: was paid state material and I just want you to know, 570 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart, I did not disappoint 571 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: us with the answer. That's all I can say right now. 572 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: Next up is Elle Perdy from Erwin, Ohio, and this 573 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: is Ian, so that's an eye my bad. Ian Ian 574 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: from Erwin, Ohio asked is the PAC twelve the deepest 575 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: conference this year? And is there a realistic scenario for 576 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: them to get two teams into the playoff? We got 577 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: to be careful on this. They are going to be 578 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: wildly entertaining. There may be more competitive balance in the 579 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: top half of that conferentference than any conference. The PAC 580 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: twelve is not as deep as the SEC because the 581 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: PAC twelve doesn't have the line of scrimmage talent that 582 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: the SEC does. Now, that really doesn't tell you everything 583 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: you need to know about the playoff picture, because really 584 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: we've seen that many times come down to one little 585 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: balance of the ball or a key injury in early 586 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: November just shakes up the entire picture. So we don't 587 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: know that. I'm not going to call the PAC twelve 588 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: the deepest. I will tell you you could sell me 589 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: like if you gave me a debate stage, and you said, 590 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: your topic today is a pro PAC twelve stance. You 591 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: have to defend the idea that they're going to be 592 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: the most fun product to watch this year. I'd have 593 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: no problem doing that. I probably even believe a lot 594 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: of what my argument would be the quarterback depth out there. 595 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: You want to talk about quarterback depth, they got it 596 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: best conference of college football when it comes to that, 597 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: and that is the most important position in this sport. 598 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: And I think that there is no elite team out 599 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: there in the preseason. There's a lot of pretty good. 600 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: You can go half a dozen d Both of the 601 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Oregon schools are good. USC and UCLA are both in there. 602 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: Washington is in there, Utah is in there. Utah gets 603 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: Florida to start the year. Oregon goes to Texas Tech 604 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: in week two. There's a lot of fun early season 605 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: matchups to be had. Deepest, man, you gotta be better 606 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage for me to call you 607 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: the deepest. But it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. 608 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: I hope everyone watches it because it's gonna be fun. Springfield, 609 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Oregon is up next, and this is Apollo. He said, 610 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: would you rather be a fan of a team that 611 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: wins one national title and then fades back to normality, 612 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Or would you rather be a team that consistently wins 613 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: ten to eleven games a year with some regular conference 614 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: titles peppered in this? Right, here is a debate. I've 615 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: had this one before. This used to be my go 616 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: to when I was doing sports talk radio down in 617 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: Columbus and the question was, back then, would you rather 618 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: be Auburn, So pretend it's like twenty twelve or something 619 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: like that. Would you rather be Auburn who won a 620 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: national title in twenty ten, but it's surrounded by terrible years? 621 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Or would you rather be Mark Rickt at Georgia You 622 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: haven't won a title yet, but you're guaranteed to be 623 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: right in the thick of it every year. Now, there 624 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: was one caveat on that, and here's the question I 625 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: used to pose. I used to say, would you rather 626 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: the next decade for your team have one guaranteed title, 627 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: but you're not guaranteed anything else any other year? Or 628 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: would you rather have no guaranteed title but be guaranteed 629 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: a minimum of nine wins every year? And a lot 630 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: of people would choose the guaranteed title and possibly sucking 631 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: for nine other years. I always thought it was a 632 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: no brainer. You take being in contention every year because 633 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: you got a figure. If you're right there in the 634 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: picture in November, ten years in a row and you're 635 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: any good, you're gonna win a title, and maybe you'll 636 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: win more. Like that's the whole point if you choose 637 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: the latter option. If you choose be who's to say 638 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: you don't win five titles? So yeah, you get your 639 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: guaranteed title on the front end, and boy, it's worth it. 640 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Trust me, guys, you win a national championship, it's amazing. 641 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: But I want to be in the I want to 642 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: be in the hunt every year. Like, if I'm in 643 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: the hunt, I think eventually we're gonna get it done, 644 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get it done multiple times. It was 645 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: so fascinating. We used to fill three hours of radio 646 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: down in Columbus, Georgia arguing that, And I just for 647 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: the people who said, how could you turn down a 648 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: guaranteed title? They did, I don't think they got what 649 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: was being said. Honestly. I think they thought scenario B 650 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: just guaranteed some wins, but no title. No, no, no, 651 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: It guarantees the wins, but the rest is unknown. Like 652 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: you fill in the rest of the blank. Always a 653 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: fun exercise. All right, here's what's happening this week. I'm 654 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: going to Big Ten Media Days. We're gonna have a 655 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: live show Thursday night. It's gonna be a little bit 656 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: earlier than normal. I'm gonna tell you guys this. You 657 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: got to promise to keep it to yourself. I think 658 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: some breaking news is coming this week. It's not finalized, 659 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: but I am telling you we are always on earthquake 660 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: watching this sport. I told you in January we are 661 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: gonna have big stuff happening before we get to the 662 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: regular season. I am standing by that. So let's just 663 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: keep an eye out there. Not gonna be any more 664 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: specific than that. Let's just keep our eyes open, ears 665 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: to the ground. I'm gonna be in Indianapolis. We'll be 666 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: interviewing Big Ten coaches. Keep an eye on the YouTube 667 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: channel and make sure you're following Twitter and Instagram. At 668 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Late Kick, Josh, I appreciate it so much for Bradley 669 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: the associate and everyone else here. Take care, have a 670 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: great rest of your day, and God bless