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Speaker 1: So Joel Clatt and I were talking during the break.

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Speaker 1: I always felt every college football season, you got about

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Speaker 1: five teams that can win a Natty. We've extended the playoff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's still about five. Joel Clatz joining us live.

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Speaker 3: Joel. Now, Joel thinks.

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Speaker 1: Joel thinks it's a much bigger group of teams that

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Speaker 1: can win the national championship. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put the coach's poll on the screen, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: you my five. I've said before, I think Texas Penn

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Speaker 1: State play for the national championship. I think in Michigan's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fools gold. I don't buy LSU. I

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Speaker 1: think Notre Dame in Ohio state could I just have

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Speaker 1: to see their quarterback play. Same with Georgia. I just

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Speaker 1: don't know. You give me the nine teams on that

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Speaker 1: list you think can play for the national.

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Speaker 4: Championship, the top nine. I think the coaches got it

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Speaker 4: pretty right. Those top nine teams things go the right way,

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Speaker 4: They could easily play for or win the national Championship,

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Speaker 4: which is a much more expanded list the top of

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Speaker 4: the sport. You argued in your last segment that the

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Speaker 4: top of the sport has narrowed. I could not disagree more.

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Speaker 4: It has expanded. The top of the sport was as

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Speaker 4: narrow as it was ever in the history of the sport.

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Speaker 4: Five six years ago, Georgia, Alabama, maybe Clemson could win

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Speaker 4: the national championship.

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Speaker 3: We knew that before the.

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Speaker 4: Season, and that was it. That was it, And now

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Speaker 4: we at least have an expanded version of that. If

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Speaker 4: you were ranked sixth in the preseason poll in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 4: you had no chance. This year, the sixth ranked team,

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Speaker 4: at least in the coaches is Clemson. They've got a

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Speaker 4: great chance to win the national championship. And I go

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Speaker 4: down to nine because LSU has Garrett Nutsmeyer. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: my argument is the nil is. The reason for that

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Speaker 4: is that Georgia and Alabama and Ohio State don't have

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Speaker 4: the depth because what happens is Louisville comes in and says, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll take Ohio State's number three receiver. So over the

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Speaker 4: course of a longer season.

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Speaker 1: Due to playoff games, there's injuries, and with more injuries,

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Speaker 1: Georgia doesn't have the depth.

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Speaker 3: I noticed it three years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if Georgia lost a receiver to the NFL

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Speaker 1: and had an injury, they were pedestrian a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think the NIL has helped the sport

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Speaker 1: is it's allowed. I mean, Purdue's got a transfer portal,

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Speaker 1: the NIL has created that. I don't think it's the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I think that the transfer portal in particular is the

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Speaker 4: greatest driver of what we're talking about, some expand ending

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Speaker 4: of the top of the sport. But I also believe

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Speaker 4: that at least access to that playoff has expanded it

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Speaker 4: as well. You know, like for instance, SMU Indiana, Arizona State,

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Speaker 4: Boise State, they at least were in the dance. You know,

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Speaker 4: Indiana has a chance to go and play Notre Dame.

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Speaker 4: Arizona State goes out there and plays a ridiculously great

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Speaker 4: game against Texas, really had a chance to win outside

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Speaker 4: of that fourth down that yours was completed right down

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the field. Like those to me

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Speaker 4: speak to what you're talking about. What I think I

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Speaker 4: talent in three four places. Used to be Georgia and

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Speaker 4: Alabama at NFL players first drink, second string, and third string,

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Speaker 4: anybody that doesn't cover that conference specifically, that as soon

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Speaker 4: as everybody started becoming eligible legal to pay players, the

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all know the story is that one

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Speaker 1: That Nick Saban was almost revolutionary, and that a lot

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Speaker 1: we're gonna flush out. It's like, guys, nobody that's the

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Speaker 1: I want to move to this though, is that when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two things.

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Speaker 4: So that's a specific USC question, but it's also a

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Speaker 4: question that directly flies in the face of your entire

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Speaker 4: You do have of Illinois and others Texas tech smu

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Speaker 4: If they beat Illinois, then watch out. I think us

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Speaker 4: Riley has been confident this offseason. So the Ohio State game,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we forget Ryan Day after losing the Michigan

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Speaker 4: I had said, I mean, the guy's only losing to Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh Georgia like he's a great coach, but he

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Speaker 4: was getting heat. And now we look at Sark and

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Speaker 4: start to me, is this year's Ryan Day If they

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Speaker 3: Start to win this game with arch Manning. Do you

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Speaker 4: You know, yes, I think I understand your premise on that.

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Speaker 4: almost like Michigan last year. It's almost like, listen, we

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Speaker 4: So their fan base is not quite as on the

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Speaker 4: been prior. Why does that apply to Texas? Well, Texas

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Speaker 4: They know that Sark can do it. He's recruiting at

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Speaker 4: but we understand that we have it better than we did,

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Speaker 4: Plus you throw on top of all of that discussion

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Speaker 1: So, Bill Belichick, the whole thing's weird. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: fascinated by it. For the record, kind of great, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: They have really used the poor a lot. I don't

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Speaker 1: I think the portal should be used with description. But

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Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do? Coach up the kids?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, come on, come on right, Like

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Speaker 4: it's like Dion in his first year. It's like there

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Speaker 4: are programs that are forced to go to the portal route.

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Speaker 4: You might be right that, okay, recruit and develop? Is

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Speaker 4: that how you get to the top of the sport. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he is a much better coach than

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Speaker 4: If he just coaches, well, then this is a team

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys believe me, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Man, I'd tell you what and golf and they say, well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me. That's July in August. Joel Clapp, Thanks buddy,

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Speaker 3: Good to see you, buddy. All right. J Mack with

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 3: All right, Colin.

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Speaker 5: You know, I had the Buffalo Bill's winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: This year, but they're off to a rocky start.

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Speaker 5: This James Cook situation remains troubling in Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: He sat out of practice.

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Speaker 6: That's not something we were fully aware of until, you know,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know if you saw this here

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Speaker 3: So maybe Cook was just waiting for.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the bigger issue for Rams is

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Speaker 5: Cook is twenty five, turns twenty six in September. You

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Speaker 5: Get it done, not a big deal. Let's move on

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Speaker 5: They've had some slow starts in the Joe Burrow era.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the final story is the Commanders. Obviously they were

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Speaker 5: awesome last year. Jayden Daniels. Cliff Kingsbury was an incredible OC.

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Speaker 5: Now he did get some looks from other teams, but

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Speaker 5: he has declined he's going to stay in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 5: Second year head coach Dan Quinn said the ability to

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Speaker 5: retain Kingsbury and defensive coordinator Joe Wick Junior gives to

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Speaker 5: Washington peace of mind entering the season. Continuity huge in

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Speaker 5: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: For all the elite teams. You know, with the exception

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Speaker 3: of Jalen Hurts obviously losing his OC. Every year you can.

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Speaker 5: Look when you return both coordinators and the head coach

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Speaker 5: and the quarterback, you know, things historically have gone well.

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Speaker 3: And I think Washington is going to be real good

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Speaker 3: this year. I don't think. You know, it's this division.

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Speaker 1: If you go look in the last twenty years, you

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Speaker 1: get a different division winner. It feels like every year.

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Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if Washington won the division.

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Speaker 1: I think they have the better head coach and the

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Speaker 1: better quarterback. And if Terry mclaurin's playing with Debo, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a pretty solid receiving cord. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't buy into year two he's going to struggle. I

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Speaker 1: just think he's such an exceptional There are players, you know,

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Speaker 1: people point to c J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: CJ is not this good. This is Andrew Luck without

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Speaker 1: the mistakes. And Andrew Luck didn't have a bad second year.

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Speaker 1: I think we're looking at a historically good player now.

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Speaker 3: Is just to be fair.

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Speaker 5: Some of the guys were digging into the fourth down numbers,

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Speaker 5: and apparently Jaden Daniels and Washington were the best fourth

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Speaker 5: down team in the league in something like the last

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Speaker 5: eighteen years. I don't have the exact number, but like,

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Speaker 5: that's not you can't duplicate that similar to eleven to

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Speaker 5: zero one score games.

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Speaker 3: What's their what's their schedule look like?

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Speaker 5: The Washington schedule, Well, I know they got a lot

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Speaker 5: of primetime games because Daniels is his bank and everybody

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Speaker 5: wants to see him.

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Speaker 3: But they open up with a cupcake. Now a look

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Speaker 3: at that. I got Raiders, Atlanta Giants early Wait.

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Speaker 5: A minute, Atlanta is Atlanta. Washington were are like kind

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Speaker 5: of even teams. Colin it was a close skater's There

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Speaker 5: is a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of wins on that schedule where Giants, Raiders, let me,

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Speaker 1: let me okay. Jaden Daniels has clearly established himself as

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Speaker 1: an elite quarterback. Here's the quarterbacks he's gonna face in order,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Jordan Love, Geno Smith, Michael Pennix, Herbert Caleb Dak.

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Speaker 1: There's some wins there there.

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Speaker 3: There's ten either with ten or nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I would go ten plus. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of wins there.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think that's a twelve.

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Speaker 5: And Eagles twice in the final three weeks does not

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Speaker 5: seem fun, including outdoors in January.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they're beaten Dallas twice and they're beating the Giants twice.

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Speaker 1: That's four wins right there.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say this, if you're looking for a bet

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Speaker 5: Week one Giants.

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Speaker 3: Getting six and a half.

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Speaker 5: Against Washington, I might have to kick the tires on

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Speaker 5: the GMN. There you do that Week one gambling.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Lie News.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting thoughts from Seth Wickersham on some analytics that

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton privately shared with Wickersham on bow Nix and

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and that's next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern a EM Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers going to stop by the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: The eight time pro bowler, so we had a guest earlier,

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Speaker 1: is coming out with the book September ninth. Seth Wickersham,

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Speaker 1: who writes spectacular sports books. And you know, he started

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Speaker 1: writing the book several years ago and he got access

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Speaker 1: to certain coaches and he goes to hell talk John Elway,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Unitis. He's already made news with Caleb Williams arch Manning.

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Speaker 1: But he talked to Sean Payton years ago as he

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Speaker 1: was writing the book and he shared kind of an

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Speaker 1: analytics formula. As Sean Payton was looking for his next

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Sean shared sort of an analytic formula about

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Speaker 1: bow Nix.

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Speaker 7: When Sean Payton was first looking to replace Drew Brees

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Speaker 7: in twenty seventeen, he came up with this formula again

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Speaker 7: to try to understand processing. And Patrick had a great

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Speaker 7: score on it and he was gonna pick Patrick. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: the Chiefs traded up with Buffalo took him away, but

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Speaker 7: he kept the same analytics formula and when he used

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Speaker 7: it this time around, bo Nix's score was the very

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Speaker 7: best since Patrick Mahomes is the formula that he developed.

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Speaker 7: He had a lot of confidence in it, and I

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Speaker 7: think a lot of that had to do with Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting because Jaden Daniels was so spectacular and

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Speaker 1: he plays in a you know, a division with the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Eagles and the Giants. Those are you know,

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Speaker 1: blue blood, huge brands that Jade and Daniels kind of

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Speaker 1: stole all the thunder from bow Knicks. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at completions, total touchdown passes, totally yards, bo Nicks

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Speaker 1: had more. And I would argue bo Nix was in

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Speaker 1: a division with better coaching. Bo Knicks had to face

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Speaker 1: Steve Spagnola, the best defensive coordinator in the league. Jesse

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Speaker 1: Mentor a top three defensive coordinator arguably in the league.

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Speaker 1: So bow Knicks played in a better division against better

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. And if you go from like Week four

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Speaker 1: on twenty nine touchdowns, eight picks, a passer rating over

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Speaker 1: one hundred, he was money. I mean, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: So and I think people I watched Bonnicks live, I've

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Speaker 1: watched him fifteen times, twenty times on TV. I watched

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Speaker 1: them live twice as last year of college, and I

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Speaker 1: knew he was going to be drafted early, so I

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Speaker 1: watched him. I went to Husky Stadium and I watched

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Speaker 1: him at the forty yard line, and then the second half,

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Speaker 1: I went to the end zone and watched him, and

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Speaker 1: then I went a couple of weeks later, they played

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Speaker 1: Utah and I watched him right on the bench behind

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Speaker 1: Oregon and a pretty captivating guy, more ripped than you think,

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Speaker 1: more very athletic, very vocal on the sidelines. And I

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Speaker 1: think the edit thing with he and Peyton is I

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Speaker 1: think their personalities are similar. They're very blunt people. Because

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Speaker 1: bo Nicks is I think he's married already sixty one start.

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Speaker 1: So bo Nicks came out of college like a man,

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Speaker 1: not passive, aggressive, can handle hard coaching. I think he

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Speaker 1: had like four or five offensive coordinators in college. Bo

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Speaker 1: Nicks had all the things you need to be successful

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Had to deal with a lot of

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Speaker 1: coordinators SEC Pac twelve, and he played in that Pac

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Speaker 1: twelve season where the Pac twelve may have had their

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Speaker 1: best season as a conference ever. There were like four

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Speaker 1: really good teams, and so he came out and I

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Speaker 1: just think Jade and Daniels stole a lot of the

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Speaker 1: thunder Bone Knicks was fantastic last year. We had some

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Speaker 1: stats I saw earlier today where we listed all the

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback numbers. He was like first and second in

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Speaker 1: all of them, mostly first. So and again Rocky Mountain

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Speaker 1: time Zone. You know, Washington's up there playing the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels playing the Cowboys Giants. Those games just

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Speaker 1: get more eyeballs. Keep yourying, Bonnicks, all right, we'll see

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Speaker 1: them our first things first, Nick, Right, Kevin Wilds Brew

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Speaker 1: coming up next