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Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to Between the Horns. It is Wednesday, October

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Speaker 1: seventeenth on Miles Simmons joined by DeMarco far as always

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Speaker 1: and hey, DeMarco, I was here on time the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say what time it was almost intentionally, you

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Speaker 1: know that. I know. That's why I said I was

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Speaker 1: here on time. That's fine, that's going on. But well

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Speaker 1: the Rams are still undefeated, yes, a perfect six and

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Speaker 1: oh after defeating the Denver Broncos twenty three to twenty

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Speaker 1: on Sunday in a frigid, cold situation there in Denver,

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Speaker 1: great descriptive word, frigid, I froze my parts off. Did

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Speaker 1: you have Did you have like a big puffy jack? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I did, but it was inside the locker room. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't you use it? Because Ted Rath came out with

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Speaker 1: a T shirt on Okay, yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys saw Rams three game live, but like when

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Speaker 1: we were out there, like I pointed it out on

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Speaker 1: the show, ted Rath came out in a T shirt

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Speaker 1: and short yes, and then started and finished the game

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Speaker 1: with slacks and a polo. So I just could not

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Speaker 1: bring myself to go back in and get the big

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Speaker 1: puff coats really, so I just kept on what I

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Speaker 1: had on. Okay, Yeah, so I went through it with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was cold? Why well, I mean, look, if

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Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, to be serious, if you

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Speaker 1: want to be accurate about what the conditions are from

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Speaker 1: the field, I have to be able to feel it.

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Speaker 1: I can't be behind it, you know. I can't be

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Speaker 1: warm if they're cold. So it was cold. So I

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Speaker 1: mean if you had a problem with Jared Goff throwing

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Speaker 1: in the the football, are having a glove? Man? You should

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Speaker 1: have been down there. It was freezing, right. I think

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Speaker 1: any quarterback outside of Brady and Aaron Rodgers, the guys

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Speaker 1: that throwing cold weather for a living, anybody would be

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Speaker 1: off with weather like that. Sure. Well, I mean look,

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Speaker 1: I mean Jared threw fourteen to twenty eight in terms

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Speaker 1: of completions for two hundred and one yards, no touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: one interception. Yeah, like that used to be a great day.

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Speaker 1: It depends like when you started playing back in the day. No, no,

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Speaker 1: some of the other quarterbacks that were here, that would

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Speaker 1: be a good day. Yeah, see right, or we had

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Speaker 1: like strings of like three hundred yard pass exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's that's how it used to be right. You're right,

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Speaker 1: but I just think that because of the conditions, you

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Speaker 1: had that day from Jared Goff, but you also had

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Speaker 1: that day from Todd Gurley where he takes you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight carries for two hundred and eight yards, ends

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Speaker 1: up averaging seven point four yards per carry. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: looked like he was carrying twenty eight people. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's how he was running. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: that conversation with Jamon Brown before Seattle when it was

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Speaker 1: cool but not cold. Yes, we didn't know what cold

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Speaker 1: was until we got to Denver, but I mean cold

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Speaker 1: weather is that's big man day, That's offensive line day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mark Slareth I saw before the game. He was just

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Speaker 1: in hog Heaven. I'm sure he was. He was mad

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Speaker 1: they still had the tarp on the field two hours

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Speaker 1: before the game. He wanted to just muddy. That's offensive

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Speaker 1: line day. That is big running back day. So that

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Speaker 1: that was fun to watch watch to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, he became the first Ram to have a

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Speaker 1: two hundred yards rushing days since year old Pile Marshall

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Speaker 1: falk back into thousand and one way. Yeah. Against the Panther.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying this, man, I mean like, well, it's different.

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Speaker 1: Marshall was like a scalpel. He cuts you and you

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Speaker 1: didn't even know it. You look up, he's got two hundred.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Stephen is putting cleats on your chest or

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Speaker 1: not Stephen, excuse me, Todd is putting cleats on your chest.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna go like through that lineage. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean Todd's it's almost the same. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're having that sort of rushing day from a guy

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Speaker 1: that big, it's not gonna feel like a scalpel. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna know every single time you bring him down, right,

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Speaker 1: it's violent. That run comes with a violent end. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the thing about Todd Gurley right now.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I love how they're being, I guess,

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Speaker 1: more aggressive with the run in certain situations. You know,

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Speaker 1: you talk to Andrew Whitworth after the game and you

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Speaker 1: talk and you're asking about fourth and one and going

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Speaker 1: for it, and then Todd gets the ten yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: and what he says is, you know what, we feel

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Speaker 1: like we can run the ball on anybody. And it

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Speaker 1: just goes to show that this offensive line group is

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Speaker 1: doing things so very well that they really are able

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Speaker 1: I believe they can. Yeah, I believe they can. In

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Speaker 1: certain situations. There's gonna be some stout defenses, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be tougher to run the football. But with enough time,

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Speaker 1: with that line and the way he can run, eventually,

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Speaker 1: if you stay with the run, you're gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 1: break something. Right. And I told this to coach mcvay's face.

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Speaker 1: I mean to score from nine yards out untouched and

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Speaker 1: go in standing up in the end zone. That is stupid.

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely dumb. I'm serious, Take your pads off,

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Speaker 1: walk inside. If you're letting guys score from nine out

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Speaker 1: without touching them, that's what I would say to my

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Speaker 1: own defense. But on the offensive side, wow, great blocks.

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Speaker 1: Guys have to get two block two people for that

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Speaker 1: to happen, and they did. Roger Saffold block two, yes,

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Speaker 1: to make that happen. He gets the down lineman. Then

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Speaker 1: that down lineman gets affected by all the trash that's

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Speaker 1: going on around and John Sullivan also does a great

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Speaker 1: yes on that, and then that's why Roger Saffield can

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Speaker 1: get up to the second level, get that linebacker and

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Speaker 1: then you're just all the way into the end zone,

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Speaker 1: especially because Andrew wit Worth is already you know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then Robert Woods is a great job down the

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Speaker 1: field as well. So yeah, and McBay talks about this

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Speaker 1: all the time. When a good running play happens, it's

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Speaker 1: all eleven, no doubt. JB. Long does a great job,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad he does it. During the broadcast in

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Speaker 1: those situations, he'll ask us, what is our call? You know,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to call him this situation? And look,

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Speaker 1: I said, thirty off tackle? You did? Why because elite

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Speaker 1: pass rushers aren't good run stuffers, especially down there. Run

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Speaker 1: the football at him. As a matter of fact, he

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Speaker 1: hadn't made a play in two series running the football.

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Speaker 1: Run it right at him. Sure enough, there it goes

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Speaker 1: right through there, and Roger had enough to get up

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Speaker 1: The only thing I wanted to see on that play

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Speaker 1: spike it. Really, that's the only thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: see that would have made that play attend for me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it was Roger. Roger would have been a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: I think just over the last couple of years, especially

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Speaker 1: it's allowed him to be great. Yeah. Before that, I

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Speaker 1: mean think about Sean mcvays said this when he got hired.

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Speaker 1: You look at Roger Saffold. In those last three four

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Speaker 1: left tackle, left guard, right tackle, right. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: basically the only position didn't play was center. And now

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Speaker 1: I think they have allowed Saffold to focus on one position,

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Speaker 1: and he's got two veterans who are really good around him,

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Speaker 1: be great. Well, don't play with me, Roger, get healthy, man,

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Speaker 1: don't be laying down there, right. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it happens, it does, Yeah, especially at that position. Guys

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Speaker 1: offensive line as a whole, there were so many changes.

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Speaker 1: That's the most adversity they've seen on the old line.

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Speaker 1: Where they got here. Whitworth had to go out right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you lose this guy, Jamon Brown gets back in. You

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Speaker 1: can see the smile from behind. That's how happy he

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Speaker 1: was to get back in the game. And he played

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Speaker 1: like a big body play like he should throw your

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Speaker 1: Austin Blis slide over the left and not miss a beat.

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Speaker 1: I thought was amazing. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: brought all that up because there was a sort of

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Speaker 1: a lot of shuffling was going on on that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and this was I think the first game all year

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Speaker 1: that they've only had seven offensive linemen up. Yeah, game

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Speaker 1: day usually Brian Allen has also been up. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: say that since Jamon Brown got back, it's the first

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Speaker 1: game that they've only had seven offensive linemen up, because

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Speaker 1: when Jamon Brown was out, they would only have no

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Speaker 1: Buman Allen. You almost needed them all exactly. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: really you did. Yeah, because there was that sequence and

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Speaker 1: Roger Staffeld had already gone out, and we should save

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Speaker 1: this too, that Saffold is expected to play this week now,

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Speaker 1: I'm According to Sean McVeigh, he said that that knee

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Speaker 1: injury is not going to be too serious. He should

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Speaker 1: be able to play against San Francis. Type an advil

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Speaker 1: to it. That's gonna make it better. Yeah, on either side,

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Speaker 1: just tape two advils to it, make it better. I

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Speaker 1: use wind Doesn't that work in a movie? Winds works

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Speaker 1: on everything, I feel right. There was some like deer

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Speaker 1: spray that they put on cut no talk about that

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Speaker 1: line thing. It was interesting seeing that. Okay, Sapple has

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Speaker 1: to come out. And then you put Jamon Brown in.

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Speaker 1: And I asked McVeigh about this because I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be sure, but you can assume it, right. You put

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Speaker 1: Jamon Brown next Rob Havens signed on the right side

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Speaker 1: because those two have established chemistry. Hello, that's where right,

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Speaker 1: that's where Jamon Brown has played the most. It's where

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Speaker 1: he's the most comfortable on this line. And then Austin

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Speaker 1: Black does such a good job of having the position

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Speaker 1: flex of right guard center, left guard, you put him

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Speaker 1: at left guard and you're fine, right, and you know

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Speaker 1: that you're fine. Well, I mean, the thing is like

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Speaker 1: whenever you flop sides and it's it's no shock denver

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Speaker 1: Ran and et snunt and first tackle, second and got

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Speaker 1: home when they slide. When you slid life over now

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Speaker 1: with reps at left guard, when you can wrap it

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Speaker 1: and get your brain thinking that way, you'll pick those

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Speaker 1: stunts up, you know what I mean. That's the downside

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Speaker 1: of having to slide over now. It only really happened

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Speaker 1: once for the most part. Letter perfect, Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: think that really underscores the importance of a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: or at least defines what a franchise quarterback is. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what happens in front of him, outside of him,

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Speaker 1: or behind him, the offense still moves right that That

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Speaker 1: is the very definition of a franchise guy. Right, And

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Speaker 1: I think if you if you can't really define your

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Speaker 1: quarterback as that guy, don't pay him. No, I would

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Speaker 1: agree with you. Yeah, if you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to do that, if your quarterback needs X, Y and

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Speaker 1: z just to be successful, then why are you paying

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Speaker 1: that guy all the money? Exactly? Yeah? Well, The other

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Speaker 1: thing about that was there was that drive in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter when Andrew Whitworth had to go out and

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Speaker 1: it ended up being the deciding factor in the game.

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Speaker 1: somebody with a sign pointed at Sea Mick. They saying

423
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 1: run the ball, you know. But yes, it was pretty funny.

424
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes, yes, that's true. Other times, no,

425
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 1: Sean mcvain knows what he's doing. He's taking the shot

426
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: because he should, because it's going to be open because

427
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: of this that in the third in this particular game, Yeah,

428
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: the Rams were averaging over seven yards a carry throughout right,

429
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: Todd finished with seven point four yards per carry. Yes,

430
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: so when that happens and the defensive players knew it,

431
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: you know. I was talking to Robert Woods after the

432
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: game and he was saying, Man, you know, it's so

433
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: funny when defensive guys are coming up to you, like, man,

434
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: Tod's getting five yards of touch. Tod's getting five yards

435
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 1: a touch. That means I get more rest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

436
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: it's good for us. So no, no, no, I'm saying

437
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: defensive players on the Broncos, we're saying, oh, he's goot,

438
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: he's oh. They were saying it, yes, white flag, Yeah exactly.

439
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: So that's where you sort of see those different things

440
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: for their coaching staff. But I just think when it's

441
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: that yes, well you gotta they were in. I keep

442
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: going back and forth on I've been arguing this about

443
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 1: should he have run the football? And let me just

444
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: say this about head coaches, we're all seeing the same stuff.

445
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: Even people at home pretty much are seeing the same stuff.

446
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: But just remember he's got a whole lot more information

447
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: than we do about what feedback is he getting from

448
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: his players and from the position coaches, as in, hey

449
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: I think I want to run that here, coach, don't

450
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: we can't right now? Hold on, you have another play? Okay,

451
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 1: we'll go with this. And look, he's not dialing up

452
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 1: a play that's designed to get sacked. That's just the

453
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: result that happened, you know what I mean? Yeah, but

454
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: I get it. Hold up a sign, say run the football.

455
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: It's not like he forgot to run the football. But

456
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: you're not him. You don't have that headset on. It's

457
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: easy for us to say this is what you should

458
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: do in that situation. But with the information he's getting,

459
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: that's what he thought was the best play. Yeah. Now

460
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: the result horrible, right, right, right, But that's not what

461
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: he wanted to have happened on that play exactly. Yeah,

462
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: And I think it is still worth noting that Todd

463
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: had twenty eight carries. Right, It's not like the Rams

464
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: weren't running the football. Would you would liked to have

465
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: run it more because they clearly could not stop it? Yeah? Probably,

466
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: But if you look at the team statistics, the Rams

467
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: had thirty nine carries in this game for two hundred

468
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: and seventy yards, right, so crushed him right again, six

469
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: point nine yards rushing. It's a pretty nice number. That's funny.

470
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm debating somebody about whether or not the

471
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: movie Venom is a good movie. Right, I've heard that

472
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: it's really not just with the lay person, right, And

473
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: they threw out word like I thought the pacing was bad. Okay,

474
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: you read that, Okay, pacing to the late person like us,

475
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: that means boring. Just say boring when you say pacing. Okay,

476
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: you're reading stuff. You read that off the internet. Did

477
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: you see the movie? No, I just read it. Okay,

478
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: Well then let's stop right right right. You don't have

479
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: all the information enough to say, well, you should have

480
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: run the ball there exactly. Yes, No, I agree with

481
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: you on that. But one of the things that definitely

482
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: affected this game, and I think the Rams are pretty

483
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: lucky that it won't affect them further along in this

484
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: season is Cooper Cup and that injury, because boy, that

485
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: that looked really bad when it happened. Oh yeah, and

486
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, and it was darry and Stewart yea of

487
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: all people, I know you didn't find the irony in that.

488
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: Just wow? Just why? I just wow. I really had

489
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: to stop talking for like two seconds and realize what

490
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: just happened. Yeah, Stewart like hog tiede, not hog tiede.

491
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: But what do you call that? Horse? Collared Cup? And

492
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: heard him wrong animal? Yeah wow, just just for a second,

493
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: got me. But yeah, I mean watching him go down

494
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: and then when he got carted off, I swear if

495
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: he was in pain, he didn't show it at all.

496
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: It looked like he just got off the bus like

497
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: something was wrong. Let's go fix it, I'll come back

498
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: and sure enough that's what he did. Yeah. Yeah, now

499
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: you can't play like you want to play with an

500
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: injury like that, so come out. But I thought going

501
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: back out there after that, getting back out there was

502
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty noteworthy in my opinion, agree, because I mean,

503
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: when we're all looking at it, when a guy gets

504
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: carted off, you start to think, man, that might be

505
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: a season ending injury. And so for him to you know,

506
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: stay as calm as he did, stay even keeled, that's

507
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: just who Cooper Cup is, really even kieled guy. Then

508
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: go in the locker room, you know, he get the test,

509
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: you start working out on the bike and Robert Woods

510
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, we saw him on the

511
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: bike and we're like whoa, okay, yeah all right, this

512
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: is this is good. So for him, I think to

513
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: come back in that was awesome. Now he is said

514
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: to be week to week, so that will see exactly

515
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: what that means. Probably not going to play this week.

516
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: That's why the Rams they went out and they signed

517
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: this guy, Nick Williams, who has basically spent his entire

518
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: career with members of the twenty thirteen Washington coaching staff. Awesome.

519
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: So like he was there when Kyle Shanahan was the

520
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Sean McVay Titan's coach, and then Matt Lafleur

521
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: was the quarterbacks coach there right, So now then he

522
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: went to Atlanta follow Kyle Shanahan there in twenty fifteen.

523
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I was there through the twenty seventeen season. So yes,

524
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: we know Shanahan was in San Francisco last year blah

525
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: blah blah. But this year Nick Williams was with Tennessee

526
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. So that's with Matt Lafleur, Ram's

527
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: former offensive coordinator, and now he is in Los Angeles.

528
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: So wow, yeah he did all that without looking at

529
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: his notes. Thanks. I just had to let people know that.

530
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting them know. That was awesome that I

531
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: can retain information. You can right, They'll do it again.

532
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I don't think people need to hear me

533
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: say that twice. I means sometimes, right place, right time,

534
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: you know somebody needs help immediately, Hey, look, can you

535
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: do the job? Can you program this? Can you work

536
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: this machine? Absolutely? I did it before. Come on in

537
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: right now. It doesn't mean like in football terms, he's

538
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: going to see the football ten times probably not, probably not,

539
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: but at least you can be functional with any offense.

540
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: You know the terminology exactly, when the play comes in,

541
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: you know where to line up, and you know what

542
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: your assignment is exactly. That's great, that's and that's why

543
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: he's here because he has that familiarity with the system

544
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: and he's been with people who are basically have very

545
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: similar playbooks to what Sean McVay is running here. You've

546
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: been to a foreign country, yes, I have. When everyone

547
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: around you is speaking a different language, it's really it's

548
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: disconcerting and you have no idea what to do when

549
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: to pay, Like you're at a McDonald's and you don't

550
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: know what to do. Yeah, yeah, do I give you

551
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: the money? Now? Yeah, that's that's different. But if you

552
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: know what's happening. Look, if you're football bilingual, it helps,

553
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, um, and you know what

554
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: you say bilingual. It's interesting because Robert Woods, now for

555
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, has had to come in and

556
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: basically play Cooper Cup's position when Cooper Cup goes out. Now,

557
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: they said that there is some position flex in terms

558
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: of what is the game plan this week going to

559
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: be for San Francisco, So it could be Robert Woods

560
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: in that spot. It also maybe you see Brandon Cooks

561
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: go in there a little bit. Maybe this Nick Williams

562
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: guy comes in, he plays a couple snaps. I don't know,

563
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: but I think just from that standpoint, Robert Woods has

564
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: been able to switch positions in the middle of the

565
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: game seamlessly. I don't think we're saying enough about how

566
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: valuable Robert Woods is. Okay, then I'll say it isn't

567
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: that what we want number one receivers to do or

568
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: be able to do? Okay, Well, everyone always says, well

569
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: can he be a number one? I think you're seeing

570
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: it now. Now who cares how he got there? Right now,

571
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: this guy got hurt. This guy got hurt, and he

572
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: became the only option. But you're seeing him become the

573
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: number one guy, and he has the ability to be

574
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: the number one guy if that was the offense right say,

575
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't here, he was someplace else where it was

576
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: just him and the quarterback, like up in Pittsburgh. Yeah,

577
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: you're seeing that you can have success with him being

578
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: your one option. I think that answers questions. Yeah, agreed,

579
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: And that's something Jared Goff has talked about just his chemistry,

580
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: his natural chemistry really with Robert Woods, basically since Robert

581
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: Woods got here. Now, I'm talking like the twenty seventeen

582
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: off season and I remember going up to Nevada where

583
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Jared Goff was having his kids camp. You know, players

584
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: do that, but this was in the off season, before

585
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: training camp even started, and he said, Man, I just

586
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: feel like Robert Woods is going to be that really

587
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: consistent guy that I can just look to. I feel

588
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: so comfortable with him already, and we've seen that come

589
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: through for a season plus. Now. That's called football love.

590
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: There's a connection there, right. Yeah, even like played football,

591
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: like throwing football around with kids me like, not as

592
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: a twenty year old now, just doing a lot of camps. Right.

593
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: So you're on the football the kids and they're catching.

594
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: They're having a great time, right and every now and

595
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: then you get this one kid that just stands out. Yeah.

596
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: You throw him a little one, you know, like a

597
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: little instructional league pass and he snatches it and looks

598
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: at you like that's it. Yeah. Ok. Right, So you

599
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: go around the room and you come back to him,

600
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: throw a little more smoke at him, brings that back

601
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: all you got go around the room again. Okay, let

602
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: me throw you one up here and see what you do.

603
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: And he snags it without blinking. Right. This kid's a natural.

604
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Same thing with Rob. Wherever you throw it, he's going

605
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: to get it. He can stab it from just about

606
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: anywhere he can. And it doesn't matter if he knows

607
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: he's going to get popped or not. Yeah, he just

608
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: it seems like like wherever he comes out of his

609
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: break right, he can feel where the defender is and

610
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: pretty much kind of tell where Jared's gonna put it,

611
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, and there it is, or there it is

612
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: or there it is based on the route. They don't

613
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: miss right for the most part. Every quarterback misses, but

614
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean they don't miss for the most part. And

615
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: if Jared puts it here, well he put it there

616
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: for a reason. I'll get it here. Yes, yeah, I

617
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: mean that's the stuff you can't teach. It is and

618
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: it's really good to see. So so far, Robert Woods

619
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: leads the Rams with thirty six receptions for five hundred

620
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: and twenty four yards. This year's awsome leader in both

621
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: of those catteries categories. I should say good on the team.

622
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: So I think, as you say, like he's growing into

623
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: that number one spot. You know, he's somebody. I think

624
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: it was JB. Long And it took me a minute

625
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: and I bumped my head like I wish I had

626
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: a V eight. They compared his numbers to Isaac Bruce. Yeah,

627
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: you're right. It does remind me of Isaac. Just that consistency,

628
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: just that consistency, and it's very quiet. It's just I'm

629
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: going about my business killing you. This is what I'm

630
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: going to do, and there's pretty much nothing you can

631
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: do about it. Yeah, and I'm gonna be nice about it,

632
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: or I'll just say I'm not going to be mean. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

633
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's very business like. I just love their approaches.

634
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: They are right. I think Rob might be a little

635
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: more personable than Isaac. Okay, on the field, it's the

636
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: same stuff. It's you're right, that just bunk. It does

637
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: remind me of eighty I wish I had of you. Yeah,

638
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: all right, Well, before we get to the defense, I

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646
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Speaker 1: you did. It's because they're my favorite headphones. I will

647
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: get them back. But you talk about guys who are quiet,

648
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: think quiet, you know, go about their business silently. Let's

649
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650
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Speaking of somebody else who goes about their business quietly? Um,

651
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Greg Zerline, if you ready at this point, he is

652
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: expected back now. Sean mcvayh has not said that directly

653
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to the media, but he did say but I shouldn't

654
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: say this. No, he said there was there's a chance

655
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: that he's going to be back. On Monday Tuesday, the

656
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Rams cut Cairo Santos in order to sign Nick Williams.

657
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's a pretty clear indication that Greg's

658
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: air line is going to be back. But again, I

659
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: would like to hedge just because we're saying we were

660
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: recording this before Sean mcvays wins you Neiver's conference. Ye, yeah,

661
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: So you don't know. However, I think that just because

662
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: of the way, you know, Sean McVay was complimenting Kiro

663
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Santos basically said, Santos said, two game winning kicks right

664
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks, So that's good. You know,

665
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: five of six on field goals, five of six on

666
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: those extra points. Was did the job that he needed

667
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: to do. So now it seems like the Rams will

668
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: have Greg's air line back, and that's huge. You're on

669
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: the journey the other two guys. But I mean, look,

670
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: having Z back is he's one of the best. He's

671
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: one of the tops. And not just for field goal

672
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: accuracy or distance kickoffs. I mean, if Santos did a

673
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: great job up in Denver, I mean he did do

674
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: there weren't returns. I mean that's great. I mean, but

675
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: I think z could do that from anywhere ye in

676
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: any weather. I mean, he could just bang it out

677
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: of the back of the end zone almost at So

678
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: if he's ready to go, I hope you have that

679
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: version of him on the field, yeah, because it just

680
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: it just takes so much away from the other side.

681
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: It does, and I think that's part of why they

682
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: had Santos in so that you don't have to rush

683
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Greg's or lining back because when you want him back,

684
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: you want him right right, You want him to be

685
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: able to go out. You want to say, all right,

686
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: you know what we were at. We're barely at your range.

687
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: It's fifty three, but we know that you're gonna go

688
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: out and you're gonna nail it. I would wouldn't it

689
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: be nice if this Sunday all he had to do

690
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: was go out and kick something. Well, you can't really

691
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: just kick seven extra points. You have to kick off too, Yeah,

692
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: never mind, just play Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if he's playing,

693
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: you want But you know, it's funny too that Johnny Hacker.

694
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: We think we keep talking about him probably being bored

695
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. You know, he punted the most times

696
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: he's punted all year last game three, and cool, I

697
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: mean cool. And it was up there. You know. I

698
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: always wanted to see Johnny Hecker up there and they altitude.

699
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and I did. I got the show

700
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I thought I would get in warm ups when he

701
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: was just letting it go and good lord, yeah wow,

702
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: good lord, this thing's leaving the stadium. Yeah yeah, So,

703
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's nice that Johnny Hecker is basically

704
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: holder Johnny Hecker instead of puncher john like it, but

705
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. That's one thing you can

706
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: never say about Johnny Hecker that he was bored. He's

707
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: never bored. Yeah, he's always and he's entertaining and entertaining himself. Yeah,

708
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: well that's good, yeah, always. All right, let's start it

709
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: to the defense, because the run defense, we knew it

710
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: was going to be a big deal coming into this game,

711
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: and they did get it corrected. Hello, Michael Brockers, Yeah, yes, sir.

712
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, look when he plays all out and plays

713
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: with passion and with a purpose, Like saw him getting

714
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: off the bus in Denver and he wasn't speaking. Okay, yeah,

715
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: he was walking alone, wasn't speaking and went well, I

716
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: don't know where he went, but he was just quiet.

717
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: And then on game day, same thing. He was off

718
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: to himself getting ready to go on the field. So

719
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he is zoned in today and sure enough,

720
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: Look he's making every play against the run, right, that's

721
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: the Michael Brockers. You need to show up every single

722
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: Sunday three and a half yards a carry Denver average.

723
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: Coming into that game, they were averaging five point six

724
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: yards per carry. Say so, that to me speaks to okay,

725
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you're playing gap sound defense, which is exactly what you

726
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: need to do, no doubt, everybody. It's amazing what happens

727
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: when you play it right. It is on defense, when

728
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: when everyone's on the same page and no one's trying

729
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: to I guess, make the first play, or get their

730
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: name in the paper, or let me get a tackle

731
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: for lost so I can show you this new stanky

732
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: leg dance. No play defense right, the running back will

733
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: choose who he wants to bring him down, right if

734
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: you're all doing it right, and that's what it looked

735
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: like in Denver, let me ask you this, So Dominans, Sue,

736
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing it? Dropping everything? Humble? Recovered anyway?

737
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, big Sue, it's not a turnover, right

738
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: fumble Sue. Let me tall time out and get my thoughts.

739
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: That's all right, okay. So non Consue said last week

740
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: when we were talking to him, Men's locker, he's basically

741
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: always he called the run defense terrible. He said, our

742
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: terrible run defense over blah blah blah weeks. When that happens,

743
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: is that something that's that really resonates Okay, because it's him,

744
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. He says it's terrible,

745
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: who's going to challenge him? Okay, Yeah, if he says

746
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: it's terrible, great. I love hearing that from him, because

747
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: he's right. They need to get that fixed. And that's

748
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the message he sent out there. Yeah,

749
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: and they got it fixed, meaning we're not terrible, we

750
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: just played it terribly. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and so

751
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: let's all fix this blank right now and they did. Yeah,

752
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's just the point he was making,

753
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: was that it's not that we are terrible players, that

754
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: we are not doing this right right, and so I

755
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: I but I thought I would ask you that. All right,

756
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Sorry everybody. So that was that was an interesting thing

757
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: that just happened. The power went out. If you're listening

758
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: to this, it probably doesn't matter to you, but if

759
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you're watching it, maybe he saw that all the lights

760
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: went out on the on the screen anyway. Yeah, run

761
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: defense having the bowl, the lights went out, Yes, apparent

762
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: that's going on outside of the studio. No, just kidding, um,

763
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: But we talked about run defense, pass defense. This stuff

764
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: is something that I don't know if it's concerning or

765
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: what it is. But the Rams have now given up

766
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of long pass plays, right, you know, three

767
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: pass plays of over forty yards. Last week they were

768
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: picking on Troy Hill like that's it just is what

769
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: it is. And you know, Keenam made some pretty accurate

770
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: throws on some of those on some of those plays.

771
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: What why are you laughing? Nothing? Go ahead, no no no,

772
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: no, no no, no no no, I don't get to make

773
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: that comment. And then you start laughing, and then like

774
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: the audience needs nothing, no, because you're not gonna get

775
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: the reference. You're you're gonna miss the reference, the reference.

776
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean our audience you'll call it a

777
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: DeMarco is m Okay, do you know what the A

778
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: team is? Yeah? The TV show I've heard of it.

779
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: The vehicle that made mister T. Mister T, mister T

780
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: is I pity the fool, I pity the fool that guy. Okay,

781
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: So mid eighties TV show, right, yeah, um, just it's

782
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: it's it was different than it is now. So basically,

783
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: you can have a gunfight, a thousand rounds fired and

784
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: nobody gets hit. So when you said case Keendom was accurate,

785
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like as accurate as the A team. I'm sorry,

786
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. Okay, so every every now and

787
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: then somebody would get shot and it would be the

788
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: entire show. I think that was some of those accurate throws,

789
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: That's what I But that's what I'm saying, right, he

790
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: made right like the one that Thomas down the excuse me,

791
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: especially when the Sanders that look like a one for

792
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Oh the one I got called yes and

793
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: got called back and then he had the tonning penalty

794
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: down at the one and then got moved back. Yes. Yeah,

795
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: like that was an accurate throw. It was he got

796
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: it out in front. Um, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,

797
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: he got it out there. He got it out in front.

798
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: He made one to Damarius Thomas, same thing. He got

799
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: it out as far as he could and you know

800
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: Damerius had to slow down for it, but he still

801
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: caught it. It was It's a it's an explosive play.

802
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: So and I'm just trying to be funny. But look,

803
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: if if guys like Case Kingdom will pick on you

804
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: and have success, what do you think Rogers is going

805
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: to do? Right? So you you have to get that fixed.

806
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Even to get that sew up even CJ. Bethard coming

807
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: up right like you saw on Monday Night Football this week,

808
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: he throws a bomb down the field to Marquise Good

809
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: when in the middle of the field they get sixty

810
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: sixties having our touchdowns. So right, those are things that

811
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: I agree with you. They have to get corrected, yes,

812
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: So what I'm noticing is that in early downs the

813
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: Rams are playing Troy Hill at outside corner and then

814
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: basically there's kind of a line change when it gets

815
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: to that known passing situation and you get Sam Shields

816
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: coming in at outside corner. Am I off on that?

817
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I think you're dead on? Okay, go ahead, yeah, yeah,

818
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: yeah no. But I think part of it is because

819
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Troy Hill has done a pretty good job and stopping

820
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: the run, stopping those short game passes. But where it's

821
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: now sort of mean biting things a little bit is

822
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: when you get those deeper passes on the aids no doubt,

823
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: and we what of our who's our favorite coach on

824
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: the football teamed Rath coach pleasant, Aubrey Pleasant. You know

825
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: what his middle name is right now? Not so coach,

826
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: not so pleasant. Look, he is the guy that I know.

827
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: It's Okay, I'm sorry. He's he is trying like heck

828
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: to get that all sewed up in the backfield, in

829
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: the in the secondary. But another thing, like Jared goffin

830
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks, I think you now understand how good to

831
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: leave is because this is what you have to do

832
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: with different guys to make up for what one guy

833
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: is doing. Right, that's what he does for this defense

834
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: and what he can do, and that's why you need

835
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: to have him back. But you know, I don't know

836
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: if it's if you need to make a switch at

837
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: corner or what have you, but you just can't have

838
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: quarterbacks dropping back and picking on one guy and having success. Eventually,

839
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: at some point you're going to run into problems. You

840
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: almost did in Denver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, all right,

841
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: and I think that could come this week against the

842
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers because of the way Kyle

843
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: Shanahan can scheme offense. So well, yeah, you know, these guys,

844
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: in terms of Shanahan and Sean McVay, they basically grew

845
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: up around the same stuff. You no doubt they have

846
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: come up through the same systems. With the addition from

847
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: McVay of the Gruden system. You know, but this is

848
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: still West Coast offense everything. You know, I'm watching tape

849
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: or video. I can't say tape anymore because tape doesn't exist.

850
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: It's video, we call it. We can still call it. Nope,

851
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: it's video. Now. See I say tape, you'll call me old.

852
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: You're watching digital video on your gotta be accur right, see,

853
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: can't let them have it. Yeah, but I'm watching video

854
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: and I'm watching Brita and US chick fullback. These guys

855
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: do their damage, and for a second it looked like

856
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: Craig and Rathman from way back. It's like the same

857
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: stuff because use check is he's a human Swiss Army knife. Yes, yeah,

858
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: he can do so much out there with him. He's

859
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: not just a fullback and Brita man, he's he's a

860
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: light cycle of a running back. Have you ever seen Tron,

861
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: the old movie Tron? It was light cycles. Just the

862
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: way that he can cut it looks computer generated. Okay,

863
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: those two guys together are absolutely dangerous, right, Yeah, so

864
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: I agree with you with Shanahan's offense. With those two guys,

865
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: they can just create so many mismatches. Well, what's funny

866
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: about us Check so quick glory Day segment here from me.

867
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: When I was in school at Columbia covered the football team,

868
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: So us Check went to Harvard. He's one of those guys.

869
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: So there was a game that Columbia lost to Harvard

870
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: sixty nine to nothing, in which use Check I think

871
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: had three or four touchdowns. He was a monster. Yeah,

872
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: and he still is one of the league. How many

873
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: fullbacks would you throw a screen too, Not many except him? Yeah. Yeah,

874
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: and he can go out on routes. He's he creates

875
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: mismatches that you didn't know were mismatches until after the

876
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: ball's gone. So yeah, I mean, this will be like

877
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: another good stiff test for this defense. And it's not

878
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: just physical, not just getting in a phone booth. It

879
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: tests you above the neck, right, Yeah, just test your preparation.

880
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you see, and this goes back to

881
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: where we're saying before, the Shanahan McVeigh offenses are very

882
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: similar and you're seeing a lot, to me at least

883
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: of the same concepts that the Rams run with Kyle

884
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: Shanahan and the forty nine ers. However, they're just in

885
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: different personnel groupings, no doubt, So you're seeing more twenty

886
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: one from them, particularly because of use checks. Is it

887
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: twenty one? I don't know if I call it it

888
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: is twenty one, but what is it really? Okay, Yeah,

889
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. It's it's twenty one because he's

890
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: listed as a fullback, but he's gonna move in line

891
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: up outside the numbers and actually runner aroute. Yeah, that

892
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Bethroom is throwing too, right, Yeah, so I call it

893
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: twenty one if you want, right. Yeah, But that's the

894
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: interesting thing, right, you always talk about with McVay, the

895
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: illusion of complexity. I think the San Francisco forty nine

896
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: ers are doing some of the same stuff, no doubt. Absolutely.

897
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: I think they're the masters of the mid range game.

898
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Until Green Bay when they finally got one behind the defense.

899
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: I think that was the first time in three or

900
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: four weeks or since Garoppolo went down, that they've actually

901
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: got behind the defense. Most of it has been mid range, right,

902
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: And I think part of that, though, is because Goodwin

903
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: came back and he was really healthy. Yeah. Yeah, so

904
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: as he missed that he missed one game in week five,

905
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: but he had injured his hamstring. At the thing I

906
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: want to say, in week one, missed a game and

907
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: then had come back and they got Brita back. He

908
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: means so much to that offense, just like Todd. He

909
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: you have to collapse on him to stop the run,

910
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: which opens everything else up. Right. Yeah. There. Their problem

911
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: though right now, especially offensively, is turnovers. They are minus

912
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: eleven in the turnover margin, which is the worst in

913
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: the league right now. But they have so many giveaways.

914
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: They lead the league with fourteen eight picks, six fumbles,

915
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: multiple giveaways in four games, including each of the last

916
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: three and those three year the ones that CJ. Bethar

917
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: Is started. He's a backup. I mean, look, backup quarterbacks

918
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: are going to struggle. They don't take all the reps

919
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: and they're backups for reasons. So every now and then

920
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: he gets one tipped or it's a bad ball, it

921
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: gets picked. The other ones where you can say, well,

922
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: you've just got to be better are the strip sacks.

923
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: And I think before Green Bay the offense was on

924
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: the field twice with a chance to either win it

925
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: or get back in it with the last drive, and

926
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: it got stripped out or a takeaway and it caused

927
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: them to lose. Right, So I was expecting a better

928
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: effort against Green Bay like a renewed effort, and they did.

929
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: They went out and played their butt off, came up short,

930
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: but the offense played better well because I mean you

931
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: get that all time great performance from Aaron Rodgers that

932
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just the way it is. Yeah, remember when

933
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: we used to live off those those moral victories. At

934
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: least we made Rodgers work for it. Yeah, like the spot,

935
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: I definitely like this way better. But the reason their

936
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: turnover margin is so bad is because they only have

937
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: three takeaways on the season as well, So that's something

938
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: that they obviously want to do in order to get better,

939
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: in order to give their offense more opportunities. But they

940
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: only have one interception and two force funnels that they've become.

941
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: You got it. This is a team where you have

942
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: to play clean. You know. I like their defense. Um,

943
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: they don't have a bunch of household names, but I

944
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: tell you they all look good off the bus. They're big,

945
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: they're long. I mean guys like Foster, Armstead, Buckner. If

946
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: Garoppolo didn't get hurt, I can see the way that

947
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: team was going to be built. They're built similar to hear,

948
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: an offense that can score with a defense that's long

949
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: and athletic that can make plays. Yes, now they're being

950
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: taxed on defense because of the turnovers on offense. It happens.

951
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: How much does like losing the way they lost? How

952
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: much would that affect them mentally? Especially because it's on

953
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: a Monday night game and you gotta fly halfway across

954
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: the country to get home. I'm trying to how can

955
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: I describe this to you? How dissatisfying? How it just

956
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: your guts are ripped out the Sopranos ending the way

957
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: that whole series ended. Remember how how you felt when

958
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: the screen went black. I've never watched The Sopranos. It's

959
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: on my list, and uh yeah, I've heard how it

960
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: ends that the screen just goes black. But you know,

961
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: are you human? Are you from this planet? Okay? When

962
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: I was growing up, the Sopranos was on, so I

963
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: vividly remember my mom being like on Sunday nights, like

964
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: right before it was nine o'clock, you need to go

965
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: to bed so I can watch the soprano Okay, something

966
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: I know, you know Hell's Kitchen? Yeah, okay, So imagine

967
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: being invested from season one all the way through the

968
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: finale and right when they do they still do the

969
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: key in the door to see what gets the restaurant. Okay,

970
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: right when they get there, the screen screen goes black.

971
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: Imagine how you would right now, three straight weeks of that.

972
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: That's yes, that would get to you mentally. Okay as

973
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: a football team, and it's I will give Kyle Shanna

974
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: and credit though, because these game plans, they're still going out.

975
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: They still have chances to win. Oh yeah, no doubt.

976
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: And especially because this is a division game, I expect

977
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: this one to be pretty tough for themes. I like

978
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: them because no matter what happens, they go right back

979
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: to work exactly. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, Yeah, it's

980
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a good game. It's gonna be a good

981
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: game for sure. All Right, everybody, this game is not

982
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football anymore. This one got flexed out,

983
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: so that means we're gonna get home at a decent

984
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: time on Sunday. I'm not mad about that being the

985
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: third straight week on the road, But we hope you

986
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode of Between the Horns. Kickoff on Sunday

987
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: is at one twenty five on CBS. We will see

988
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: you on the field from Levi's Stadium. Probably about twelve

989
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: forty five there for RAMS pregame live. We'll see you,

990
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: then enjoy the game.