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Speaker 2: It is me Joey P joe P Zapia and this
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Speaker 2: the NFC wes what's changed year over year and of
Speaker 2: course looking ahead to not only the win totals, the
Speaker 2: division winners, but also our favorite bets. And this is
Speaker 2: a division with a lot of talent today, so it
Speaker 2: should be a very fun show. And speaking of talent,
Speaker 2: I've got two amazing talents with me today, Terrell Furman
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Speaker 2: money this NFL season. Let's start off with the recap
Speaker 2: of the off season here, and let's start with the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers parties back, Kittles, warners back. Everybody got extended,
Speaker 2: well maybe everybody for the forty nine ers, but they
Speaker 2: did get a little pillaged in free agency. They lost
Speaker 2: sixteen players. They traded Deebo, Samuel Terrell, Firman Junior. Is
Speaker 2: a lot of turnover in San fran after a disappointing
Speaker 2: Super Bowl loss and even more disappointing twenty twenty four seasons.
Speaker 2: So can the forty nine ers regroup with all of
Speaker 2: this turnover?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I hate to throw you a question
Speaker 3: to you, but you tell me, I feel like we
Speaker 3: would only be doing our listeners a disservice if we
Speaker 3: didn't let the number one forty nine ers hater go first.
Speaker 4: In this preview.
Speaker 3: So you tell me, Joe, matter of fact, I wish
Speaker 3: like if I could control the boxes and everything, I
Speaker 3: just moved me over into your spot and move you
Speaker 3: into my spot. Joe, what do you think about the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers get just completely rifled at free agency
Speaker 3: this year?
Speaker 1: I don't love it.
Speaker 2: I mean, football is a game of continuity, right, I
Speaker 2: think football football is a game of continuity, and the
Speaker 2: teams that have continuity with coach and personnel tend to
Speaker 2: succeed more often than not. Kyle Shanahan's always been a
Speaker 2: coach that I think is a little too cute for
Speaker 2: his own good. Sometimes that's just a fact, you know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes some simple, bs boring ass football would win you
Speaker 2: more playoff games. I think if you go back and
Speaker 2: look at some of the tape, I think a healthy
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey is really what this team either becomes or
Speaker 2: doesn't become. And my problem is the same problem Bogman
Speaker 2: has when the forty nine ers, which is I don't
Speaker 2: trust them when they tell me injury news. Therefore, I
Speaker 2: find it very difficult to invest in them. I like
Speaker 2: some of the individual talents. I like Kittle, I'm curious
Speaker 2: about Pearsol Juwan Jennings had a really good season.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about Ayuk a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think brock Purty is a system quarterback, and sometimes
Speaker 2: that term gets thrown around a little too much for
Speaker 2: my taste. But I think if the shoe fits here,
Speaker 2: brock Purty's definitely wearing the system quarterback Nike shoes here today,
Speaker 2: and I think that overall there's potential here for the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers to get back on track and win
Speaker 2: this division. I think division isn't super strong outside of
Speaker 2: one other team. So yeah, I think they're a playoff
Speaker 2: possible team. My problem is, Andrew, in your opinion, do
Speaker 2: you think that once again, is the turnover a good
Speaker 2: thing because they had some roster issues and some injuries
Speaker 2: and some age, or do you think maybe it's just
Speaker 2: too much of a refrash year over year.
Speaker 5: I think it's tough for the defense in particular. I
Speaker 5: think that was one of the things where because it
Speaker 5: with Shanahan, you expect, Okay, he's going to make this
Speaker 5: offense work like this is an above average offense, as
Speaker 5: long as they can at least be healthier than last year. Again,
Speaker 5: that was one of the reasons why we were fading
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers the froudy nine ers last year
Speaker 5: was because they were really healthy twenty twenty three. And
Speaker 5: we see this every year. The healthiest team does not
Speaker 5: repeat as the healthiest team two years in a row.
Speaker 5: And last year the forty nine ers, I mean it
Speaker 5: was awful. I mean all their guys were getting banged up,
Speaker 5: and I do think that looking at the team this year,
Speaker 5: especially on the offensive side of the ball, they are
Speaker 5: leaning on a lot of their older player. I mean,
Speaker 5: Trent Williams is thirty seven years old and he's their
Speaker 5: best offensive lineman, and when he misses games, they run
Speaker 5: into issues. George Kittle again not super old tight end,
Speaker 5: but still an older player above the age of thirty,
Speaker 5: and he's going to have to play a big role
Speaker 5: because there is no there is no debo. Samuel Brandon
Speaker 5: Ayuk is coming off a major knee injury, so there
Speaker 5: are some question marks there. And I think two with
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers, even though they got Robert solid
Speaker 5: back now he's the defensive coordinator, they did invest in
Speaker 5: the defensive line in the NFL draft. Added Bryce Huff.
Speaker 5: I think that one of the things is from a
Speaker 5: betting and value perspective, it's all kind of already baked in.
Speaker 5: Their win total is already really really high. People are
Speaker 5: expecting it to be a bounce back. So I agree
Speaker 5: that they will bounce back, but is there a value
Speaker 5: proposition even though they have like the easiest schedule in
Speaker 5: the NFL. I'm excited to kind of break it down.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. The schedule helps, Terrell. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put to you this way.
Speaker 2: I think Christian McCaffrey is good for a three to
Speaker 2: four game swing. Would you agree with that. If he's
Speaker 2: healthy and he plays every game, you're looking at a
Speaker 2: twelve ish win team. If he doesn't, you're looking at
Speaker 2: a potentially eight or nine win team.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's too much of a hotache.
Speaker 4: No, I don't. You might be not selling it enough, honest.
Speaker 3: I think Christian McCaffrey in tandem with the fact of
Speaker 3: them having the easiest schedule in the NFL, it makes
Speaker 3: us a lot easier to at least be a double
Speaker 3: digit win team despite all the turnover that you have. Now,
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey will help that go up as far as
Speaker 3: he may, because it's going to make the offense so
Speaker 3: much easier, like it's going to look a lot better
Speaker 3: even though the pieces aren't there in place. So no,
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey is a big part of this for me.
Speaker 3: But it's also what Ericson just said. They do have
Speaker 3: an easy schedule, and if the team's in front of
Speaker 3: you, you can't do anything with the football, then does it
Speaker 3: really matter if you've lost this much.
Speaker 2: No, it's certainly something to discuss, and we'll discuss how
Speaker 2: would back to their win totals in just a moment.
Speaker 2: The rams big offseason acquisition was clearly DeVante Adams, which
Speaker 2: I absolutely love. Adams says a lot left in the tank.
Speaker 2: Clearly he's an ageless wonder. We saw that last year
Speaker 2: with the Jets, and Pokinaku has been a little fragile
Speaker 2: at times, which means Dvanta Adams can step up and
Speaker 2: be that number one.
Speaker 1: Plus.
Speaker 2: I think when you talk out Jared Verst and some
Speaker 2: of the other pieces and that defense last year Andrew,
Speaker 2: to me, you're looking at a Rams team that really
Speaker 2: started to figure things out last year kind of got caught,
Speaker 2: you know, in the bad weather, in the snow in Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's like the.
Speaker 2: Last place and situation a team from LA wants to
Speaker 2: be in, and unfortunately things didn't go well for them
Speaker 2: to finish the season. But I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people like me have high expectations for the Rams this year.
Speaker 2: What did you think of their offseason and what do
Speaker 2: you think of where they're positioned currently in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: I still wish that they invested more into their defensive secondary,
Speaker 5: but I said the same thing last year and it
Speaker 5: didn't make a difference because they have one of the
Speaker 5: best defensive lines with edge rushers all over the place,
Speaker 5: and that's something that they continue to invest in. We
Speaker 5: want to be upfront, rush the passer, and we'll worry
Speaker 5: about the back end, and if we have to get
Speaker 5: into shootouts, we'll get into shootouts and win those games.
Speaker 5: I think just comes down to, you know, Stafford and
Speaker 5: Sehn McCay, are those guys hitting on all cylinders, because
Speaker 5: when they are on, I mean, this team can go
Speaker 5: toe to toe with any team in the NFL. So
Speaker 5: I understand why you want to be bullish, especially we
Speaker 5: add a guy like Devontae Adams who is a double
Speaker 5: digit touchdown machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and insurance policy.
Speaker 2: I think that's really the key because last year when
Speaker 2: Puka went down, Cooper Cup could no longer pick up
Speaker 2: the slack like that was very clear Terrell.
Speaker 1: So this is a team that has a lot of
Speaker 1: continuity year over year.
Speaker 2: This is a team that all of a sudden turned
Speaker 2: over the page and got younger on defense in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four and now I feel like they're poised to
Speaker 2: really challenge for the top of this division. I really
Speaker 2: like the Rams this year. To me, I think they're
Speaker 2: the biggest threat to the Eagles in this conference. But
Speaker 2: what's your take on the Rams offseason into the regular season.
Speaker 3: I think that I'm very excited, especially on the offensive
Speaker 3: side of ball. I mean, we already kind of know
Speaker 3: how that's going to go, and that can be better
Speaker 3: and they're going to look solid. But the defensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball here, I'm ready to see what does this
Speaker 3: new defense look like under Chris Shula. And then also
Speaker 3: is Jared Versus and Kobe Turner really the real thing?
Speaker 4: Like they've been really, really good really for.
Speaker 3: Like the past couple of seasons, honestly, and now you
Speaker 3: have life without Aaron Donald. You have a defense without
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald. You're giving them an identity rather than just saying, hey,
Speaker 3: go out there and play NFL football games. They actually
Speaker 3: are starting to build an identity here. So I'm interested
Speaker 3: to see how this defense plays out throughout the whole year,
Speaker 3: if they get better throughout the year, they figure it out,
Speaker 3: if it all comes together, Because if it all comes together,
Speaker 3: then yes, the Rams could be one of the best
Speaker 3: teams in the NFC, but right now they have the
Speaker 3: same question mark on defense that I have for the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: Right now, all right, let's take a look at the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2: A roster on offense. To me, Terrell that resembles the
Speaker 2: team that gets auto picked in your fantasy football draft.
Speaker 2: It's just not very exciting. You kind of looking at
Speaker 2: it and go, oh, this is kind of gross. JSN
Speaker 2: has potential, but obviously Sam Donald now the new quarterback.
Speaker 2: They also drafted Jalen Milrow to be hopefully their future quarterback.
Speaker 2: We'll see how much we see him this year in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, perhaps in some packages, or if Sam
Speaker 2: Donald looks like the Sam Donald of the very end
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four slash twenty twenty five season,
Speaker 2: perhaps we see Jalen Milroe a little sooner.
Speaker 1: A time will tell.
Speaker 2: Tory Horton and I have some expectations for long term,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how much he's gonna work this year.
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup obviously coming over, as well as Marquez Valdez Scantling, Terrell.
Speaker 2: This is not a team that I'm super excited about defensively,
Speaker 2: they do have some talent, But to me, offensively, I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot more questions and answers. But what's
Speaker 2: your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm interested to see if this was too
Speaker 3: premature or not, just kind of revamping the entire team.
Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jigma is a player that I think
Speaker 3: the continuity of the offense and everything working would have
Speaker 3: only made him better another year. And now it just
Speaker 3: seems like everything flipped around. New quarterback, new wide receiver
Speaker 3: on the other side, new offensive coordinator Clint Kobiat coming in,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, is Jackson Smith and Jig but
Speaker 3: gonna make things easier for Sam Donald? Because if he
Speaker 3: does it, then Sam Donald's going to have a really,
Speaker 3: really tough go at it. This isn't going to be
Speaker 3: just as easy as Kevin McConnell set it up for him.
Speaker 3: And so with that, I think we're maybe not at
Speaker 3: Jets Sam Donald, but I think it's a lot closer
Speaker 3: to Jet Sam Donald than what he was last year
Speaker 3: for the Vikings. So with that, I have to say,
Speaker 3: like Shark Tank, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's out. Andrew Erickson, are you willing to make
Speaker 2: any investments in the Seahawks, and after this offseason.
Speaker 5: I am not, and I think we're just going to
Speaker 5: see the emphasis on Sam Donald going from basically the
Speaker 5: perfect environment in Minnesota, you're playing indoors, you have all
Speaker 5: the weapons galore, and it's perfect. And now you're going
Speaker 5: to Seattle where what was their biggest issue last season
Speaker 5: their offensive line. This was terrible last season. Now some
Speaker 5: of that was due to injuries. I did invest in
Speaker 5: grays Abel in the NFL Draft this season, but it's
Speaker 5: still a new offense. Between Kobak coming in from the Saints,
Speaker 5: you know, he did, I think get the most out
Speaker 5: of that unit that a lot of people, include myself,
Speaker 5: thought in twenty twenty four the Saints offense line is terrible,
Speaker 5: and before Derek Carr got hurt, it was actually holding
Speaker 5: up pretty well. So Donald spent time with Kubiak with
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers in twenty twenty three when he
Speaker 5: was the backup, So there is some continuity with what
Speaker 5: the offense can be. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: when I look at the Seahawks, kind of feel similar
Speaker 5: about the Raiders, where I think in another division maybe
Speaker 5: I'd feel better about them, But I've seen Sam Darnold
Speaker 5: when he's not in the perfect situation. I mean, we
Speaker 5: talk about he's seeing ghosts, but it's real, like, this
Speaker 5: really happens when the situation is not perfect around him,
Speaker 5: he crumbles and Seattle despite their best efforts to try
Speaker 5: to put pieces around him. I mean Cooper cup as
Speaker 5: a wide receiver too, man Like, if he's not going
Speaker 5: to be out there and week by week four, then
Speaker 5: how is that going to help you? So those are
Speaker 5: my concerns with Seattle.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the off season for the
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals, which basically consisted of signing Josh Sweat and
Speaker 2: getting Marvin Harrison Junior a bowflex. I think those are
Speaker 2: the two things that we basically found out about the
Speaker 2: off season for the Cardinals. Ericson anything you'd like to
Speaker 2: add here about the Cardinals offseason. I know we have
Speaker 2: a swole Rvin Harrison to look forward to, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, man looks kind of like the same thing.
Speaker 2: They're just running back from last year and it was
Speaker 2: certainly lacking a bit last year.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that you're not giving enough credit to
Speaker 5: the other defensive provement. So you said Josh Sweat, but
Speaker 5: they drafted all defensive players in the NFL draft. That's true,
Speaker 5: was on defense. So they were very clear going in
Speaker 5: and be like, Okay, offense, we feel good about our
Speaker 5: personnel that we have. Everybody just has to improve. Marvin
Speaker 5: Harrison entering year two with Kyler Murray, he can get better,
Speaker 5: he can improve, he's bulked up. But they Walter Nolan,
Speaker 5: I think that he's a potential home run pick if
Speaker 5: he has his head on straight. Will Johnson, he was
Speaker 5: viewed as potentially the cornerback one in his draft class,
Speaker 5: had not been for injuries. They also added Dalvin Thomlinson
Speaker 5: defensive tackle in free agency. Darius Robinson, their top pick
Speaker 5: from twenty twenty three. He only played six games last
Speaker 5: year because of an injury. So I think that this
Speaker 5: front seven is going to be way better than it
Speaker 5: was last year because I think last year it really
Speaker 5: was one of the biggest attacking points for the Zara
Speaker 5: Cardinals defense. I think Jonathan Ganda now has the pieces
Speaker 5: that he wants to get more from this front seven
Speaker 5: because it was terrible last year. And I think that
Speaker 5: an underrated signing is actually Klais Campbell. You know, bringing
Speaker 5: him back to the team that he started his career with.
Speaker 5: And yeah, he's thirty nine years old, but I think
Speaker 5: that the younger players seeing a guy like Klayis Campbell
Speaker 5: in that locker room and being like, this guy has
Speaker 5: been like a legends at the defensive tackle position, and
Speaker 5: if he's out here gutting it out in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 5: like I'm a twenty one year old, twenty two year
Speaker 5: old defensive alignment, like, why am I not gutting it
Speaker 5: out too? So I think that he's going to help
Speaker 5: get the best out of this front seven. And the
Speaker 5: other thing with the Cardinals I like too is they're
Speaker 5: playing in all indoor games, most indoor games of any
Speaker 5: team in the NFL in twenty twenty five thirteen games,
Speaker 5: and two of their road games are in forty nine ers,
Speaker 5: So that's in Week three, so you're expecting decent weather.
Speaker 5: And then one of them is in Tampa Bay later
Speaker 5: in the season, which should also be decent weather. So
Speaker 5: really they're going to be in very favorable conditions for
Speaker 5: their offense.
Speaker 2: Klayas Campbell is almost enough to be Walter Nolan's dad,
Speaker 2: I mean, just looking at the age numbers there, all right,
Speaker 2: so they did go all in on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: But Terrell, do you think they came away with the
Speaker 2: right personnel to make a big difference in the big
Speaker 2: leap this season?
Speaker 4: I think I did.
Speaker 3: I think they do. Like I think that this Cardinals
Speaker 3: team is just I think they have a realm of
Speaker 3: possibilities that puts them right there about five hundred and
Speaker 3: that's gonna be enough to get over the wins total. Like,
Speaker 3: I think that they actually could be Okay, the one
Speaker 3: defensive piece that I was looking at that I thought, Hey,
Speaker 3: if this guy goes out there and does everything that
Speaker 3: everybody else has told me he's gonna do, then this
Speaker 3: defense is going to be very much improved.
Speaker 4: And that's Will Johnson.
Speaker 3: It coming over from Michigan, he's a guy that was
Speaker 3: a clear cut first round talent. A lot of people
Speaker 3: told me that, you know, I'm not one of the
Speaker 3: Michigan Glazers.
Speaker 4: I'm not, but they told.
Speaker 3: Me that he's a really, really good cornerback and if
Speaker 3: he's healthy, he's gonna make that leap really really quickly
Speaker 3: in the NFL. And I think that, you know, health
Speaker 3: being the only thing that's concerning about him and why
Speaker 3: he fell in the draft that it was a steal
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals. So I think defensively they're gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot better. And this is going to be up
Speaker 3: to again in year three to prove, Hey, I'm a
Speaker 3: defensive head coach, and you give me some very talented pieces.
Speaker 3: I can make them all chel and put them together.
Speaker 3: The offense, well, we'll see. They'll go as far as
Speaker 3: Kyler Kyler Murray wants to take them.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at the Arizona win totals here four and
Speaker 2: a half, six and a half, eight and a half.
Speaker 2: That's where we can live here. Over eight and a
Speaker 2: half is minus one twenty. Under is plus one hundred.
Speaker 2: I think the under plus one hundred is my favorite
Speaker 2: of these totals. Andrew Erics, let's start with you, Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Where do you want to live here with the win total?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the over over eight and a half
Speaker 5: wins at minus one twenty. Furman hit on it with
Speaker 5: the Arizona Cardinals being around a five hundred team that's
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray. For his NFL career, He's been around eight
Speaker 5: wins every season of his NFL career. That's really been
Speaker 5: his average. So it's gonna come down to the wire problemly.
Speaker 5: But the thing with the Cardinals that I like the
Speaker 5: most about I think that this is a team that
Speaker 5: you should bet now now because when you look at
Speaker 5: their opening schedule Saints, Panthers, forty nine Ers, Seahawks, Titans, Colts,
Speaker 5: and Packers, that's very favorable. And when do we see
Speaker 5: the Cardinals win the most games with Kyler Murray, it's
Speaker 5: like September and October.
Speaker 1: Like this is a team that.
Speaker 5: Usually starts fast and then they fall off a cliff
Speaker 5: and that's what happened last year because I bet the
Speaker 5: win total of the Cardinals last year, and I remember
Speaker 5: around mid week are about mid season, I was man like,
Speaker 5: the Cardinals are gonna win this division, Like I'm feeling
Speaker 5: good about this, and then they had their bye week
Speaker 5: and then they just crashed and burned if finished two
Speaker 5: and five. So that's why I like betting this now
Speaker 5: because I think they're going to start out hot because
Speaker 5: of the favorable schedule, because that's traditionally what this offense
Speaker 5: has done. With Kyler Murray, I think the defense is
Speaker 5: going to be better. The last two seasons, this defense
Speaker 5: has been bottom five in terms of health on the
Speaker 5: defensive side of the football, so they've been banged up.
Speaker 5: I already talked about the improvements they've made. I think
Speaker 5: this defense is going to be hovering in the top ten.
Speaker 5: Combine that with an offense that's going to take some
Speaker 5: steps forward with players with Kyler Murray, with Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 5: I like taking the over and what you can always do,
Speaker 5: just cash out before.
Speaker 1: Call of duty.
Speaker 5: Black Ops seven drops.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't have the release date on that yet,
Speaker 1: but I do have the dates.
Speaker 2: After Thanksgiving, they play Tampa, they play the Rams, they
Speaker 2: play Houston, they play the Falcons, they play the Bengals,
Speaker 2: and then the Rams again. So Terrell, I'm sticking by
Speaker 2: my under eight and a half. I am I'm taking
Speaker 2: the plus money and I'm running that the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 2: will fall just shy of being a five hundred team.
Speaker 1: But what say.
Speaker 4: You, No, I like the over.
Speaker 3: I think that it's good value because by myself, yeah,
Speaker 3: you got to look at who they play here. They
Speaker 3: play the NFC and the AFC South. Here, like they
Speaker 3: have eight games versus my two worst conferences in football.
Speaker 3: And so while I think the NFC South is going
Speaker 3: to be a little bit improved and maybe they steal
Speaker 3: a game or two, I think that they're still going
Speaker 3: to farewell and I like their chances in eight games
Speaker 3: just against them. And then they have their division which
Speaker 3: is going to be wonky, and I think that they'll
Speaker 3: win some, they'll lose some there. Like everything just says, man,
Speaker 3: this is like a nine win team, And I'll go
Speaker 3: a little bit over here, but I think it's really
Speaker 3: the what Ericson said about the where they play these games.
Speaker 3: They have one cold weather game this entire season, and
Speaker 3: that's a broad trip to the Bengals on a Saturday.
Speaker 3: But like, other than that, everything else is either indoors
Speaker 3: or you're in Florida in November in November playing against
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 3: I I think that they just got the schedule bug
Speaker 3: where we're gonna see this team either fighting for a
Speaker 3: playoff spot at the end of the year, or maybe
Speaker 3: they actually do it and make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna be sitting there talking about him like,
Speaker 3: but are they still really good? But yet they go
Speaker 3: over the win total. But we'll still be questioning if the.
Speaker 1: Answer the question they're probably not. They're probably not.
Speaker 4: They still get over the win total.
Speaker 2: If Marvin Harrison Junior breaks out, great, I just, I
Speaker 2: guess said. My problem is Collimory the end of the day,
Speaker 2: Like I said, his demeanor on the field, his demeanor
Speaker 2: in the hoddle, he just looks like a guy doesn't
Speaker 2: want to be It's just very uninspiring to me as
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback, Like I want guys that like you
Speaker 2: see them in the huddle, they have control of everything.
Speaker 2: They look like they're, you know, just ready to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has the same look in the huddle
Speaker 2: like my daughters do when I asked them to empty
Speaker 2: the dishwasher. It's the same look on his face. And
Speaker 2: it's just it's not good.
Speaker 1: It's not good.
Speaker 2: The Rams win total, look, nine and a half is
Speaker 2: right here where it is over minus one forty five,
Speaker 2: under plus one twenty five. I would even push this
Speaker 2: to ten and a half personally, because I'm very confident
Speaker 2: in the Rams getting over ten wins this year.
Speaker 1: I'm buying the Rams.
Speaker 2: I was buying the Rams last year as well, and
Speaker 2: it paid off because I thought they were undervalued. Now
Speaker 2: I think they're much stronger cohesive unit year over year.
Speaker 2: The defense feels, I think confident going into the season.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of questions, what are we gonna
Speaker 2: do without Aaron Donald? They answered those questions last year
Speaker 2: they added some more help at wide receiver. So to me,
Speaker 2: I think this wheels up for the Rams. I like
Speaker 2: them not only nine and a half. I would push
Speaker 2: it and put it over to ten and a half. Drell,
Speaker 2: where do you stand with the Rams win total?
Speaker 4: How much you I like over on the Rams as well?
Speaker 3: I think the Rams are very much live to win
Speaker 3: this division, and it just seems like that's kind of
Speaker 3: where they find themselves. Like they they were the team
Speaker 3: that was in the NFC that they had a chance
Speaker 3: to beat the Eagles, and they could have did it
Speaker 3: last year, and now there's just another year, another year better.
Speaker 3: I think that's going to play in part into the
Speaker 3: revenge factor as well. How that season ended and they
Speaker 3: made the moves. They brought in a Devonte Adams, which
Speaker 3: I think is an upgrade over Cooper Cup. They went
Speaker 3: and attacked the defense they have a new defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and that could be something really really special to them,
Speaker 3: because if that defense pushes up to one of the
Speaker 3: top defenses in the league, this RAMS team is really
Speaker 3: really scary, and you're talking about a ten win team,
Speaker 3: they might be closer to a thirteen win team. That
Speaker 3: defense is really nasty. So yeah, I like the RAMS
Speaker 3: go over.
Speaker 2: If that game was in LA last year against the Eagles,
Speaker 2: you think it would have turned out a little different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do do.
Speaker 2: I think we did a much much different story. All right,
Speaker 2: Andrew Erkson Rams win total?
Speaker 1: Where do you stand?
Speaker 5: I'm also on the over, so I like the over
Speaker 5: at nine and a half. I don't like the minus
Speaker 5: one forty five and so, so I think I agree
Speaker 5: with you. I'd rather push it up to over ten
Speaker 5: and a half to get a bigger pay because when
Speaker 5: I was doing projections for a lot of these teams,
Speaker 5: because this division is playing the AFC South. So yes,
Speaker 5: we talked about the forty niners having a very favorable schedule.
Speaker 5: Most of these teams have favorable schedules because when you
Speaker 5: face the AFC South, you're gonna be favorite and often
Speaker 5: and not you're gonna get some ws, So yeah, I
Speaker 5: think that the Rams are a team where it's going
Speaker 5: to be probably more round twelve thirteen wins or five
Speaker 5: wins if Stafford gets hurt, because we know when that
Speaker 5: happens usually things just completely bottom out. But hey, Jimmy
Speaker 5: Garoppolo is the backup, so maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: And Stetson Bennett still there too, isn't he? I'm pretty sure?
Speaker 2: All right, San Francisco, forty nine or is the win
Speaker 2: totals eight and a half ten and a half. That's
Speaker 2: kind of where we're living here. It feels like the
Speaker 2: smart bet is just to take the ten and a
Speaker 2: half at minus one oh five and not push things.
Speaker 2: But I find this really hard to invest in. Again,
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't, But to me, the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers totals to stay away because I think there's so
Speaker 2: many variables in it where it could be a fourteen
Speaker 2: win team or they could completely bottom out McCaffrey gets
Speaker 2: hurt and the wheels come off here. I think that's
Speaker 2: we're at that fork in the road here at the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, and I don't know which way it's going. Therefore,
Speaker 2: I am just going to stay away from it, and
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna invest in the Rams instead. Erickson, how
Speaker 2: are you investing in the forty nine ers and are
Speaker 2: you investing in the forty nine ers?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of tease this early when we were
Speaker 5: talking about them. I just don't think there's a lot
Speaker 5: of value here with the forty nine ers. I think
Speaker 5: it's better to because it's all baked in right the schedule,
Speaker 5: it's the easiest that they have. And when I look
Speaker 5: at this compared to the Cardinal's win total eight and
Speaker 5: a half, the Rams win total nine and a half,
Speaker 5: I think that all three of these teams could be
Speaker 5: live to win this division around get eleven wins. So
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers one, the way that it's set
Speaker 5: it up here at ten and a half, I just
Speaker 5: don't see a lot of value. So for me, it's
Speaker 5: probably just a shy away.
Speaker 1: A shy away, all right?
Speaker 2: Terrell, where do you think the win total lands here
Speaker 2: for the forty nine ers come in?
Speaker 3: Under think nine and a half is too much, all right.
Speaker 3: I don't think they should be the favorite, and that's
Speaker 3: ultimately why I'm fading them. I don't think they should
Speaker 3: be your favorite for this division. I don't think they
Speaker 3: should be the best win total. I think the Rams
Speaker 3: as of right now, profile as a better team than
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, and they're not being respected like it,
Speaker 3: like it, so I think the win total is gonna
Speaker 3: come a little bit short. I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 3: they're a ten win team. I wouldn't be even more
Speaker 3: surprised if they're actually third place in this division and
Speaker 3: the Cardinals make a leap above them. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 3: And so I can't. I can't do anything with them
Speaker 3: at ten and a half. And I can't bet the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers at really any stage. I'd have to
Speaker 3: see it to believe it. But Robert Salah coming back
Speaker 3: in and looking at the defense that he has now
Speaker 3: opposed to the defense that he left with, and he's like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's see what we can do here. And
Speaker 3: that's just enough for me to not be on the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers at all. So give me an under
Speaker 3: on the ten and a half wins.
Speaker 1: Last win total here for this division.
Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks, you've got four and a half, five
Speaker 2: and a half, seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Torell, what are you interested in?
Speaker 3: Hmm, what matter of fact? No, we'll say that for
Speaker 3: the end. Just give me an okay, just give me
Speaker 3: in under which, yeah, I have another one.
Speaker 1: You want to take the under seven and a half.
Speaker 1: You think that's the I think Colater, I think he latter.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 3: Sam Donald, when you give him full control of an offense,
Speaker 3: could be really, really, really bad.
Speaker 4: And I you're.
Speaker 2: Getting plus three forty at under five and a half
Speaker 2: like that would be bottoming out. And when you're talking
Speaker 2: about what division they're playing outside in the conference like that,
Speaker 2: that does, I think make me a little nervous about
Speaker 2: going that far.
Speaker 3: I think Sam Donald is really bad and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: send He's still had the turnover issue. He's still had
Speaker 3: the turnover issues last year, and I think that can
Speaker 3: only be multiplied times ten this year. So I just
Speaker 3: I have to see it to believe it, to see
Speaker 3: that leaven from Kevin McConnell is going to be anything
Speaker 3: good for Sam Donald, because like the only time that
Speaker 3: anybody has ever had any hope with Sam Donald is
Speaker 3: when he was on the forty nine ers and when
Speaker 3: he was on the Vikings, And this Seahawks team is
Speaker 3: completely different than those two teams. So I want nothing
Speaker 3: to do with it at all I would ladder it under.
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be a bad year for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: I'll think the seven and a half minus one thirty
Speaker 2: five is just a really solid bet and put like
Speaker 2: two units on ericson. I think that's that's just a
Speaker 2: good solid, old timey football bet.
Speaker 1: What do you think the under or the over? The under?
Speaker 1: The unders? I thought, I'm sorry, the unders of plus money.
Speaker 1: What am I saying, polity? That's what? Yes? The under
Speaker 1: plus one fifteen? Yes all day? Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how confident I am. I'm willing to
Speaker 2: take the jews. I misread it for a moment. Yes,
Speaker 2: plus one fifteen, Yeah, under seven and a half perfection.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm slamming that as well. Like the plus money
Speaker 5: under seven and a half, I projected them to glogy
Speaker 5: six six wins. That's what I'm looking at. It's really
Speaker 5: against the AFC South teams and maybe occasional home game
Speaker 5: that they'll win. But Sam Donald before he went fourteen
Speaker 5: and three last year in the best offensive environment you
Speaker 5: could ask. For his record twenty one and thirty five
Speaker 5: thirty eight percent win rate, that would equate to just
Speaker 5: over six wins per year. Over a seventeen game sample size.
Speaker 5: So I just think it's going to be slapping the
Speaker 5: face of reality with Sam Donald and it's just not
Speaker 5: going to be pleasant. And if anything, this beats us
Speaker 5: of Jalen Milroe, you know, potentially takes on snaps during
Speaker 5: the end of the season and he's using his mobility
Speaker 5: and they're doing crazy things, and that would concern me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean superflex managers and fantasy here to
Speaker 2: excited to see jail Milroe though, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a look at the division winners.
Speaker 2: Here. The Rams of plus one seventy five the forty Niners,
Speaker 2: a plus one sixty five the Cardinals is a plus
Speaker 2: four to twenty five and plus five fifty on the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's only plus five to fifty. I'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I thought that. I think that
Speaker 2: number is just wrong. I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: at least plus eight point fifty nine for them to
Speaker 2: win this division.
Speaker 1: But it's early.
Speaker 2: Look, I like the Rams a plus one seventy five.
Speaker 2: I'm just keeping it simple here. I think as long
Speaker 2: as Matthew Stafford is upright, Sean McVay is the best coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it. In that division.
Speaker 2: I think the defense came a long way last year.
Speaker 2: I really believe in what they did getting after the
Speaker 2: quarterback last year, putting pressure on the quarterback. Davante Adams.
Speaker 2: Pookinakua is a lot for any other secondary. And Karen Williams,
Speaker 2: last time I checked, it's still getting the job done.
Speaker 2: Everybody keeps wanting to replace Karen Williams, and Karen Williams
Speaker 2: just keeps going out there and having good seasons. And
Speaker 2: I'm sick and tire to hear about it. Andrew Rickson,
Speaker 2: where are you putting your money on this division winner?
Speaker 5: They're probably gonna go with the Rams. Do I like
Speaker 5: the Cardinals, but you lay out the good case where
Speaker 5: the second half of these Cardinals team, they just leave
Speaker 5: you asking why why?
Speaker 1: Why did I why in this Cardinals team? Why did
Speaker 1: I not cash out? So I'll do.
Speaker 5: I think that if you want to sprinkle it on
Speaker 5: now for the division, and I think that these odds
Speaker 5: are going to shift because the Cardinals are going to
Speaker 5: start out with a winning record and then you can
Speaker 5: cash out. But again, if I'm going to predict who's
Speaker 5: gonna win this division. It's it's probably gonna be the Rams.
Speaker 1: Terrell who wins the NFC West.
Speaker 3: NFC West won by the Rams. Cardinals give them a scare,
Speaker 3: but I think it's won by the Rams.
Speaker 1: So no forty nine to love at all here from anybody. No, well,
Speaker 1: it's nice that you've all come to my side.
Speaker 3: It's a horrible it's a horrible price, honestly, like for
Speaker 3: the question marks and all that they've lost, and we
Speaker 3: bring back Robert Sala, like we don't know, I Christian
Speaker 3: McCaffrey's going to be one hundred percent of all season, Like,
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of question marks to be laying
Speaker 3: the least or getting the worst price, like I would.
Speaker 2: Not what would be the enticing price, you know, Like
Speaker 2: if I gave you the gave it a plus three
Speaker 2: to fifty.
Speaker 3: Oh well yeah of course, yeah, of course plus three fifty.
Speaker 3: But if you saw me, it was two to one, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: right like that.
Speaker 5: That's the issue with the forty nine ers because we
Speaker 5: talked about the positives with them, but it's all baked
Speaker 5: into the market, Like I just don't see a lot of.
Speaker 2: The first month of the season too Erics in Seattle,
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Arizona, Jacksonville. I mean, if they don't, I
Speaker 2: mean it's a very clear four and zero potentially when
Speaker 2: you turn the page into October and then who's waiting
Speaker 2: for him the Rams and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right
Speaker 2: after the slap them in the mouth. But I think
Speaker 2: you could see this forty nine Ers get off to
Speaker 2: a hot start this season for sure, Like that's not
Speaker 2: impossible the way the schedules set up.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna I think that's why.
Speaker 2: You see the number where it is, and we'll see
Speaker 2: how it goes. Now we're gonna get to everyone's favorite
Speaker 2: bets here for this division, and I'll kick things off here.
Speaker 1: I like the Rams, not only in this division. I
Speaker 1: like the Rams to win the NFC.
Speaker 2: I know the Eagles are fun, they're building the dynasty,
Speaker 2: do whatever, whatever whatever, But history is not kind to
Speaker 2: guys who carry the football four hundred times of the year.
Speaker 2: Go look at the data, Go follow me on social media,
Speaker 2: Joe Pisaps seventeen. Go put in Joe Pisaps seventeen Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley and you'll see all the data. Or just by
Speaker 2: yourself a Fantasy Black Book on Amazon because it's in
Speaker 2: there too.
Speaker 1: The data is not kind.
Speaker 2: So if Saquon Barkley misses any significant period of time
Speaker 2: with injuries or issues, I think that hurts this team
Speaker 2: quite a bit, and it's gonna hurt them in the
Speaker 2: playoffs and for me plus eight hundred to win the NFC.
Speaker 2: I like Sean McVay, I like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: I like that duo.
Speaker 2: I like the leadership that's there. I'm investing in the
Speaker 2: Rams Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Look, this is make or.
Speaker 2: Break, right, Christian McCaffrey. I told you it's all or
Speaker 2: nothing here. If we get the all, we're gonna make
Speaker 2: a ton of money on this because it's plus three
Speaker 2: seventy for him to win come Back Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: And it's the perfect award because if he's great, he's
Speaker 2: not going to MVP because he's a running back. But
Speaker 2: we can give him Comeback Player of the Year. We
Speaker 2: don't even have to give him Offensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 2: just Comeback Player of the Year. There you go, Christian,
Speaker 2: you could take your hardware and take it home with you.
Speaker 2: Don't trip over, though, because you've got a lot of
Speaker 2: lower leg issues, and I don't want you to get hurt. Also,
Speaker 2: Davante Adams, this is my favorite one. This is a
Speaker 2: smash over nine hundred and fifty and a half receiving
Speaker 2: yards for him minus one fourteen. Smash this, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why he's gone over this number every single
Speaker 2: year since twenty eighteen. He is as right as rain.
Speaker 2: You could set your clock to DeVante Adams. He's got
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford Drownham the football and Sean McVay offense.
Speaker 1: Smash this. This is my favorite of all the bets.
Speaker 2: The easiest money bet you're gonna find, is that the
Speaker 2: best return on investment. No, but it's an easy way
Speaker 2: to make some money in twenty twenty five. Andrew Erickson,
Speaker 2: let's take a look at some of your favorites here
Speaker 2: when we're looking ahead for bets, wild cards, crazy bets.
Speaker 2: What do you have here for the NFC West?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to be locked in the Cardinals win
Speaker 5: total over eight and a half at minus one twenty
Speaker 5: and then I'm going to be following that up with
Speaker 5: Seattle Seahawks to finish dead last in the NFC West
Speaker 5: plus one seventy five. You get that on Draft.
Speaker 1: Ls sports book. I love, Yes, it is excellent. Now
Speaker 1: wait where rate that? I want to go?
Speaker 5: Bett right on DraftKings, the Draft Gings Draftings Sportsbook, and
Speaker 5: that comes straight from the Betting Crows discord. I was
Speaker 5: chopping it up talking about the NFC West and someone, Hey,
Speaker 5: if you're fading, if you like all these other teams
Speaker 5: except the Seahawks, here you.
Speaker 3: Go like dot Com slash chat there you go.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so that's definitely one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 5: Just bet on the Seahawks to finish last. And then
Speaker 5: my last one here I think where I'm trying to
Speaker 5: kind of angle the forty nine ers because I do
Speaker 5: expect their offense to get back up to top ten.
Speaker 5: I'm still kind of not sold about the defense. So
Speaker 5: Brock Purty to lead the NFL in passing touchdowns plus
Speaker 5: twenty eight hundred, so he was third in this category
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three. He threw thirty one passing touchdowns
Speaker 5: And did you guys recall that was also during the
Speaker 5: CMC streep where he would score rushing touchdowns basically every
Speaker 5: single week, and you still saw Purty go over thirty
Speaker 5: passing touchdowns twenty twenty four. Last year was the first
Speaker 5: year Purty posted a passing touchdown rate below seven percent,
Speaker 5: at four point four percent. We've always seen in Kyle
Speaker 5: Shannon offense the quarterback posts a high touchdown passing rate,
Speaker 5: and last year we still saw Purdy be efficient outside
Speaker 5: of touchdowns eight point five yards per ten that was
Speaker 5: second best in the NFL fifth and passing yards per game.
Speaker 5: So if this defense isn't up snuff and they're playing
Speaker 5: in more shootout games, well, I think that means Purdy's
Speaker 5: gonna have to throw the ball a ton. I think
Speaker 5: he's gonna throw a lot of passing touchdowns. So twenty
Speaker 5: eight to one for a guy that has already thrown
Speaker 5: thirty plus touchdowns in his career. They paid the man.
Speaker 5: I think they're going to give them the ball, give
Speaker 5: him opportunity. So I like Brock Purdy at these odds.
Speaker 1: I think that my favorite one is that Seahawks have
Speaker 1: finished last. That is fantastic.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that, Terrell, What are your favorite bets
Speaker 2: for this division?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: First off, let's con saye the Rams love over nine
Speaker 3: and a half wins. I do feel really really good
Speaker 3: about the Rams. I think that if they eliminate all
Speaker 3: my defensive concerns. They probably could be the best team
Speaker 3: in the NFC. Here's the big money play that I
Speaker 3: just let's just end it with this because Ericson thought
Speaker 3: too small, and I but Ericson thought way too small. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could make a bet for the Seahawks to be
Speaker 3: last in the division at plus one seventy five.
Speaker 4: Yes, you could, sure.
Speaker 3: Or you can make a bet for the Seahawks to
Speaker 3: have the fewest wins in the league for forty to one,
Speaker 3: forty to one, for Sam Donald to lead a team
Speaker 3: to the worst record in the league. And I went
Speaker 3: and I looked through the schedule and I was just
Speaker 3: going through, and I'm like, huh, okay, let's see how
Speaker 3: many wins do I think they legitly can win with
Speaker 3: Sam Darnald, Like, they're straight up gonna win this game.
Speaker 3: They have a home game against the Saints, you could
Speaker 3: get that one. They have a whole game against the Colts.
Speaker 3: You might see Daniel Jones get that one too. Every
Speaker 3: other game feels like either they lost or a coin
Speaker 3: flip every other game, every single one. If Sam Donald
Speaker 3: bottoms out, and then guess what if Sam Donald Barnoll's out.
Speaker 3: When if Jlen Milroe comes and he doesn't look good
Speaker 3: or he's not ready because they've been focusing the offense
Speaker 3: on Sam Donald the whole season and not to what
Speaker 3: Jaln Milroe does. So there's a situation where they're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: no more Sam Donald and then Milroe gets put out
Speaker 3: there and he's not ready because they didn't actively get
Speaker 3: him ready. Oh what, this could be the last place
Speaker 3: team in the league. This could be a three to
Speaker 3: four win team. They could give me the Seahawks forty
Speaker 3: to one to have the fewest wins in it in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 4: The Holy.
Speaker 1: I I gotta say, I can't see him having less
Speaker 1: wins than the Saints. But stranger things have happened. I
Speaker 1: had to head. I know, I know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, the Saints a weird upset that is very
Speaker 1: much in play. Like it just it's.
Speaker 3: Early in the season, now as early as a season,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm free rolling a
Speaker 3: forty to one worst record.
Speaker 2: Hey man, you know what, what's the Dolphins of the
Speaker 2: other team? I would put in that mix too. I
Speaker 2: think this could be the year that Dolphins completely bottom out.
Speaker 2: I think that organization is just completely bereft of any
Speaker 2: sort of adult in the room, and I think that's
Speaker 2: gonna be a big problem this year in that division,
Speaker 2: just the way things are going.
Speaker 1: But it's not crazy. Terrell's thinking big. I like it.
Speaker 2: So there you have it, everybody. That's our take on
Speaker 2: the NFC West. But what's yours? Drop your comments below?
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