Speaker 1: Worrying. This podcast can hate spoilers for season three episodes
Speaker 1: seven of The Mandalorian and the movie Renfield out now
Speaker 1: in theaters. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm
Speaker 1: Rosey Knight, and welcome to x ray Vision, the crooked
Speaker 1: media podcast where we dived ee to your favorite shows, movies,
Speaker 1: comics and pop culture.
Speaker 2: In this episode, it's a packed previously on some of
Speaker 2: the Star Wars celebration news, Boom Boom boom, movies, TV everything,
Speaker 2: and a breakdown of the Marvels trailer in the airlock.
Speaker 2: It's season three, episode seven of The Mandalorian in place
Speaker 2: you haven't been star Wars out by the Star Wars celebration,
Speaker 2: It's happening in the hive mind. Just absolutely delightful chat
Speaker 2: with actor and comedian Ben Schwartz to discuss Renfield, Starry,
Speaker 2: Nicholas Halt, and Nick Kay Jurracula at you. Very delightful
Speaker 2: and quite profound in some ways and in nod doubt
Speaker 2: we have a theory for Mike on the Mandaloria.
Speaker 1: Let's go coming up previously on first up, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the some of the big news coming out of
Speaker 1: Star Wars celebration, and I think the headline for me
Speaker 1: at least is going back to the movies. Three big
Speaker 1: movie project announcements no titles as yet, but the attached
Speaker 1: directors and then kind of what the movie is about
Speaker 1: were announced. We have a James man Goold project that
Speaker 1: we'll talk about basically the First Jedi, the First Connection
Speaker 1: with the Force, the Dawn of the Jedi. We have
Speaker 1: Dave Feloni's project, which will wrap up all of his
Speaker 1: New Republic projects in a live action film. This is
Speaker 1: I guess, our chance to see Grogu and Din and
Speaker 1: the rest on the big screen. And then Miss Marvel
Speaker 1: director Charmine obiad Chenoi will direct the sequel to the
Speaker 1: Ray Saga. Ray is coming back. We would assume Finn
Speaker 1: is coming back as well. We're going to find out
Speaker 1: what she's been up to, and what she's been up
Speaker 1: to is training the next generation of Jedi. Does that
Speaker 1: mean we find out Finn is fourth sensitive?
Speaker 2: I say yes, now correct, I mean he is. Let's
Speaker 2: be real, these.
Speaker 1: All sound really great. We were we were talking in
Speaker 1: the in the prefro, what of these three? How many
Speaker 1: get made?
Speaker 2: Okay? I am of the belief looking at recent past,
Speaker 2: and the the success of announced lucasfilm movies making it
Speaker 2: to screen. My God says, I would bet that one
Speaker 2: of these one hundred percent makes it to screen, and
Speaker 2: I think it's the Ray movie.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I hope is a Ray and Finn and Poe movie.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the tree that I care about. I
Speaker 2: think that the Feloney movie is second most likely, agreed,
Speaker 2: because people love the Mandalorian Grogu is very toyetic. You
Speaker 2: can make a lot of money from selling toys from him,
Speaker 2: and Rebels has gained a true rotty following. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: with the Soca coming, I think that one seems quite likely.
Speaker 2: I just the slight doubt I have is how likely
Speaker 2: is it for us to see something in the Star
Speaker 2: Wars world make that big leap from TV to film
Speaker 2: rather than film to TV. I would love to see it,
Speaker 2: but I think it's quite ambitious least likely. But the
Speaker 2: one I would want to see most is this like
Speaker 2: biblical epic twenty five thousand years before the Star Wars
Speaker 2: sus Skywalker saga, James Mangold, like Beginning of the Force.
Speaker 2: I just think it's it's too huge.
Speaker 1: It's just huge.
Speaker 2: It's too huge. I would love, Like, do I want
Speaker 2: to see like a you know, Lawrence of Arabia style
Speaker 2: Star Wars movie? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely?
Speaker 3: Is it likely that probably not? That's my feeling right
Speaker 3: there with you. I think you read is exactly right.
Speaker 3: I put the Filony movie at something like a coin flip.
Speaker 1: Obviously this is not science, but you know, depending on
Speaker 1: how the reception for a Mando and for Ah Soca goes,
Speaker 1: I could see them flipping that cachet into a big
Speaker 1: movie project. That would be pretty cool. And I think,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you, it feels like just too
Speaker 1: huge a swing for what has been I think a
Speaker 1: historically conservative movie project space for Star Wars. Like maybe
Speaker 1: they've changed their tune, but what we've seen from the
Speaker 1: last few Star Wars movies, not counting Rogue one, has
Speaker 1: been a real kind of a real kind of aversion
Speaker 1: to kind of breaking the mold or doing anything big.
Speaker 1: And this would be this is as big as it gets.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about setting a movie like twenty
Speaker 2: one thousand years before Nights of the Old Republic, Like
Speaker 2: this is so much further back than anything that we've
Speaker 2: ever seen. It's such a cool idea, But what we've
Speaker 2: seen from the Star Wars TV shows especially, I feel
Speaker 2: like less so in the movies, though I wish they'd
Speaker 2: have done it more. We've seen them taking very selectively
Speaker 2: from established pre Disney canon like legends and making it
Speaker 2: canon again. In the Disney world. This would be James Mangold,
Speaker 2: who I love, I mean logan, he's obviously and with
Speaker 2: Disney he's doing this Indiana Jones and the Dial of
Speaker 2: Destiny yep film. You know, this would be basically giving
Speaker 2: him carte blanche to create an entirely new era of
Speaker 2: Star Wars, which I think is very exciting but slightly
Speaker 2: unlikely unless perhaps we end up in a kind of
Speaker 2: High Republic esque situation where they used a new set
Speaker 2: of authors and books and comics to kind of establish
Speaker 2: the work.
Speaker 1: Because I could see that that could.
Speaker 2: Maybe happen, because basically one of the as we'll get
Speaker 2: into in a little bit with the TV stuff, we
Speaker 2: are now seeing them start to pull from the High
Speaker 2: Republic which they established in those books. So maybe, but
Speaker 2: I definitely think that's our that's our long shot, even
Speaker 2: though I would absolutely love to see it.
Speaker 1: Also, the risk, I think is it's hard to kind
Speaker 1: of overstate. I think the risk. Recall the uproar when
Speaker 1: Midichlorians appeared in the scene as a you know, the
Speaker 1: first kind of real fleshing out of the underpinnings of
Speaker 1: the Force, and people didn't like it. And I and
Speaker 1: you know, the Force is this kind of like mysterious
Speaker 1: connective tissue that runs through the galaxy and the universe.
Speaker 1: There's something fascinating and intriguing about the mystery behind it and.
Speaker 2: So tismatic and etherol.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and so to really kind of pin it
Speaker 1: down and define it in this way is high risk,
Speaker 1: high reward. I would love, I would fucking love to
Speaker 1: see it, but my guess is that they pull back
Speaker 1: from actually doing this.
Speaker 2: Also does hypothetically if this is their same biblical epic
Speaker 2: you're talking about, the first person to ever use the Force?
Speaker 2: Is this like a Jesus situation? Is this like an
Speaker 2: actual space Jesus like the first person to use the force?
Speaker 2: Gains are following? Are we going to see the I
Speaker 2: think that it's so much fun to imagine it because
Speaker 2: it is so huge, But like you say, what does
Speaker 2: that do to the thousands of years of cannon that
Speaker 2: comes after it? Like when do you use. What are
Speaker 2: these two alignments? When does it split between the dark
Speaker 2: Side and the Light side? Do you have to bring
Speaker 2: back gray Jedi which have been decanonized in a very
Speaker 2: serious way. I think it's it's so huge, but it's
Speaker 2: very very exciting to imagine it, and I would love
Speaker 2: if the movie doesn't get made, I'll definitely be seeking
Speaker 2: out that script absolutely its to come.
Speaker 1: And what I think is really the other thing that
Speaker 1: I think is really really cool about these announced projects
Speaker 1: is you've basically gone to the very beginning and the
Speaker 1: very end. You've pushed out the latest that we've ever
Speaker 1: gone in Star Wars. We're going the Ray project is
Speaker 1: going to be, according Kathleen Kennedy, fifteen years out from
Speaker 1: Rise of Skywalker, post War First Order, she says, in
Speaker 1: the Jedire in Disarray. So that's as late as we've
Speaker 1: been in Star Wars, the furthest Out and then the
Speaker 1: furthest Back. If they end up making this movie that
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in the Star Wars universe, would be
Speaker 1: this twenty five thousand years before the Skywalker Soga, before
Speaker 1: the First Republic, before all of everything we know. So
Speaker 1: that part of it is really intriguing to kind of
Speaker 1: push the edges is of the timeline out as far
Speaker 1: as it's ever been. That part of it is cool.
Speaker 1: Up next to the Ahsoka trailer, I'm in. I mean
Speaker 1: it looks great.
Speaker 2: I mean we would we were deeply targeted by this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks fantastic. The casting looks amazing, the you know,
Speaker 1: building off what we've seen from and or from the Mandalorian,
Speaker 1: it looks movie quality. The trailer looks you know, the
Speaker 1: practical effects plus the makeup look amazing. I was so
Speaker 1: tough to see. Uh, my Star Wars wife Harrison Doula
Speaker 1: and our good friend Chopper, one of the one of
Speaker 1: the greatest mass murderers in Star Wars history. Yeah, Era,
Speaker 1: it looks freaking It looks freaking great. There's a lot
Speaker 1: cat there.
Speaker 2: It looks my gosh, yeah, multiple lofts love to see them. Also,
Speaker 2: I think that they're having a lot of fun in
Speaker 2: this trailer, not only showing us who's coming back, but
Speaker 2: also like only showing Ezra Vira hologram. So you kind
Speaker 2: of don't really know. But the fact that we are
Speaker 2: confirmed now to get live action thron which is huge
Speaker 2: and obviously for the first time. This is doing what
Speaker 2: we always wanted. When they would announce something for the MCU,
Speaker 2: we would expect that the TV shows would immediately tie in.
Speaker 2: That never really came across, like Spider Man at the
Speaker 2: end of Hawkeye and those kind of things that people
Speaker 2: wondered if they were going to do to tie these
Speaker 2: worlds together. We get the Las Michelson announcement. He's going
Speaker 2: to be coming back. He's going to be playing Thrown
Speaker 2: in live action. We see the back of his head
Speaker 2: in this trailer, and then as we will get into
Speaker 2: this episode of the Mandalorian immediately ties into that. You know,
Speaker 2: this is that kind of connective tissue we always wanted.
Speaker 2: And with Thrawn being a major part, then we know
Speaker 2: that we're going to see Ezra irl but they're having
Speaker 2: fun with this kind of like he's only on the
Speaker 2: hologram is it? Where is he? It's very mysterious, very awesome.
Speaker 2: I love Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Hero. That's super fun,
Speaker 2: what great casting.
Speaker 1: Absolutely cast and now we have husband and wife in
Speaker 1: the Wars universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I where do you think Ezra and Thron are
Speaker 4: and how much and how much of this, how much
Speaker 4: of the upcoming Ahsoka season is the search for Ezra
Speaker 4: and how do they find him?
Speaker 2: You think? I think that Ezra search is going to
Speaker 2: be a key part of the mystery. I think Ezra
Speaker 2: and Thorn are somewhere on the outer Rim. That's generally
Speaker 2: like my feeling of where Thorn has been. And I
Speaker 2: feel like with this stuff we're seeing in the Mandalorian
Speaker 2: is probably tying into that. What has Thorn been up to?
Speaker 2: That's the big question, And that's kind of something again
Speaker 2: that we get into in the Mandalorian, like what is
Speaker 2: his plan? What is his scheme? And how is he
Speaker 2: going to play into the future of what we see.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so excited to see live action Ezra.
Speaker 2: I love him so much. Okay, this is a question
Speaker 2: I have for you because one of the things I
Speaker 2: immediately thought about, so I love Rebels, obviously you love Rebels.
Speaker 2: The end of Rebels was like so crazy because they
Speaker 2: gave us not only like one of the best final
Speaker 2: couple of episodes all time, but when we get that
Speaker 2: skip forward to see where everyone is, we meet here
Speaker 2: as kid you know who's named after Luke Skywalker's kid
Speaker 2: from Legends, Jason, and that was like this huge thing,
Speaker 2: this huge moment, right, I was like, are we going
Speaker 2: to see the kids? But when do you think this
Speaker 2: takes place? Because I think there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: conversation of is this between the end of what we
Speaker 2: saw in Rebels and that's where we meet them in
Speaker 2: the skip forward? Is it in between that time? Is
Speaker 2: it after that time? Whereabouts do you think it's going
Speaker 2: to take place.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take place like before the
Speaker 1: skip forward, while the rebellion is still happening, and or
Speaker 1: maybe even just brewing. Like I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be very close to and Or. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be close in time too when and Or happened.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna be I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be after the skip forward.
Speaker 2: I think that's just in between you which I think.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I would love to see the
Speaker 2: skip forward life because I love the idea of seeing
Speaker 2: the kids and but the truth is that it makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense from what we know and what
Speaker 2: we saw at the end of Rebels that this essentially
Speaker 2: acts as almost like a expansion. It's a nice inversion
Speaker 2: of what we're used to with the animated series, where
Speaker 2: the animated series builds out what we've seen in live action.
Speaker 2: I like the idea that this is a huge expansion
Speaker 2: of this tiny moment that we got in the animated series.
Speaker 2: It looks so good. I can't even it's just kind
Speaker 2: of mind playing. I think. Also, I think that you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. If this show blows up and becomes the
Speaker 2: biggest Disney Plus show of all time or in a
Speaker 2: long time since one division, whatever the biggest one is,
Speaker 2: then I think that Felony show becomes a near certainty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think you're absolutely right. I think those two
Speaker 2: things are directly connected.
Speaker 1: One more thing about the timeline. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that these projects, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: Jenga obstacles that these projects kind of have to thread
Speaker 1: is you know, why wasn't Ahska at the battle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Then why wasn't where we're dinning Grogu during X y
Speaker 1: Z fight? And I think that to me is you
Speaker 1: can really kind of solve that with this show and
Speaker 1: show that like, oh, Soca was tied up doing whatever,
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like World Beyond Wild, you know, you want
Speaker 2: to get into that kind of strange more mystical side
Speaker 2: of the force that Sabine and everyone from Rebels is
Speaker 2: a little bit more aligned to. It's a lot easier
Speaker 2: to argue why they weren't necessarily involved in like a
Speaker 2: military rebellion.
Speaker 1: Next up The Acolyte. They showed footage from this, but
Speaker 1: no footage yet has come out publicly. They also did
Speaker 1: that for and Or, but that was apparently just kind
Speaker 1: of like a sizzle reel. So the Acolyte is this
Speaker 1: is our High Republic, Yes show, one hundred years before
Speaker 1: the Phantom Menace, created by Leslie Headland of Russian Dolphame
Speaker 1: and it's a star so cast including Amandla Stenberg, Lee Jung,
Speaker 1: Jay Man Agacinto and more. This is super exciting and
Speaker 1: I'm sure fans of the High Republic books and comics
Speaker 1: are going to be pretty soaked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they They definitely actually bought in
Speaker 2: Vanessa Rowe, who was from the High Republic novels. They
Speaker 2: announced that Rebecca Henderson would be playing her. We got
Speaker 2: Junas who took over playing Chewbacca from Peter Mayhew. He's
Speaker 2: getting to create a new Wookie Jedi, which is really cool.
Speaker 2: And also this is going to be our first time
Speaker 2: with a movie or a TV show that is directly
Speaker 2: focused on a true villain, even though obviously there are
Speaker 2: some movies like the Prequels. You could argue that all
Speaker 2: of Star Wars and the Prequels is about Darth Vader,
Speaker 2: but you know they each have their heroes. This is
Speaker 2: going to be about a young Sith acolyte who is
Speaker 2: played by Amandler Steenberg and Leslie Headlam pitched it to
Speaker 2: lucasfilm as Frozen meets kill Bill, and the idea is
Speaker 2: it's kind of this like the how under the Frozen
Speaker 2: aspect comes from this idea of you think this person
Speaker 2: is the villain, but here is their story, and the
Speaker 2: kill Bill aspect is because it's going to be like
Speaker 2: a badass revenge story. But what I thought was really
Speaker 2: interesting is Leslie said, this is the Sith when they
Speaker 2: are just the ultimate underdogs. This is a time when
Speaker 2: the Jedi is ruling everything. Everything is Jedi Jedi, Jedi
Speaker 2: High Republic, Utopian state. So if you are a Dark
Speaker 2: Side Force user, if you are a Sith, you are
Speaker 2: like a non citizen. You don't really exist. So that
Speaker 2: was kind of the intrigue that she laid out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, Russian Doll's one of the best TV shows
Speaker 2: I've seen in a long time, with the incredible obviously
Speaker 2: Natasha Leone who we be love so and it's really
Speaker 2: subversive and weird and twisty, and it totally turns the
Speaker 2: time loop on its head. So the fact they're letting
Speaker 2: Leslie do one of these shows and it has, like
Speaker 2: you said, these squid game stuff. Daph Nick Keane has
Speaker 2: s X twenty three in it. You know, this is
Speaker 2: just like Jody Turner smith Icon, like so many good
Speaker 2: carry Anne Moss playing a Jedi. I guess that kind
Speaker 2: of seemed to leak from what they'd said, from the
Speaker 2: what they'd shown at the the show. It just looks
Speaker 2: and sounds very very cool, and I would love to
Speaker 2: see it. Like, I'm not a sith apologist. I don't
Speaker 2: feel like Leslie's gonna do some like you should feel
Speaker 2: sorry for the Sith, but I will always want to
Speaker 2: see a different side. I would love to see this
Speaker 2: world that we love.
Speaker 1: I will say that the way it was described felt
Speaker 1: a little bit like it's your fault. I'm the Sith,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the Jedi, why are
Speaker 1: you making me use the dark side, don't.
Speaker 2: I will say that the Frozen comparison does make you
Speaker 2: think that's a story about the ice creen. You know,
Speaker 2: this traditional villain, so you wonder, like, what could that
Speaker 2: argument be. It'll be very interesting to see. This is
Speaker 2: one hundred years, like you said before the Phantom Menace,
Speaker 2: so the politics and things that drove the Sith could
Speaker 2: arguably be established to be very different. We could learn
Speaker 2: very different things. But yeah, I'm interested to see it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to be really cool and great
Speaker 2: and probably totally upend whatever we're expecting it to be.
Speaker 2: But I'm ready for them to release that footage because
Speaker 2: i want to see it.
Speaker 1: Switching universes now, the Marvel's True were dropped hitting theaters
Speaker 1: every tenth twenty twenty three. Here is our first Marvel
Speaker 1: project that is unambiguously launched by the television offerings of
Speaker 1: the MCU, starring Breed Larcen as Captain Marvel, Imon Vallani
Speaker 1: as Kamela Khan, Tina paris Is, Monica Rambo, and Sam MUELLL. L.
Speaker 1: Jackson returns as our friend Nick Fury. New villain Darben
Speaker 1: by Zali Ashton, one of the weirder minor Avengers villains.
Speaker 2: You're really getting into that joyous space here that we've
Speaker 2: talked about many times before. This is a character who
Speaker 2: has two appearances. This is the classic. But I will
Speaker 2: say I am Look the trailer looks so cute. I
Speaker 2: was loving it. I was slightly nervous about this one,
Speaker 2: but it came out looking beautiful, look great, It looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I definitely think that they have strayed. I think originally
Speaker 2: this was meant to have more of an ant Man
Speaker 2: color palette from all the marketing that they did, and
Speaker 2: I feel like they've strayed from that. I think this
Speaker 2: looks so cute. I love Kamala, I love the interactions
Speaker 2: they're having, the Rick Jones kind of body switching freaking
Speaker 2: Friday which we saw teased at the end of Miss Marvel.
Speaker 2: But all of that is to say, I do need
Speaker 2: to talk about dart Ben because there's two appearances. Plas,
Speaker 2: please look this is the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Zahweh, who's absolutely stunning British actor in this unbelievable film
Speaker 2: called Dreams of a Life Theater Icon just wonderful. This
Speaker 2: is a character who's a cree only had a couple appearances,
Speaker 2: but and I might be getting carried away, but this
Speaker 2: is a very specific character and the appearances are very important.
Speaker 2: In their first appearance, they debuted in an Infinity one,
Speaker 2: the crossover issue from nineteen ninety one that was called
Speaker 2: there was Silver Surfer fifty three. So first of all,
Speaker 2: there's a Silver Surfer connection. They established this which I
Speaker 2: think could come into play in this film, which is
Speaker 2: it's this Pink and Blue Cree war, which is this
Speaker 2: idea that there's two different kinds of Cree, basically human
Speaker 2: looking Cree like Captain Marvel and Blue Cree who you
Speaker 2: have seen in Ronan the Accuser, And there's this it's
Speaker 2: like a kind of clunky recurring part of Cree law.
Speaker 2: But in this comic, dar Ben teams up with ale Dan,
Speaker 2: who is a Blue, and they decide they're going to
Speaker 2: do a coup of the Cree and become the joint
Speaker 2: kind of force to rule Cree for the good, and
Speaker 2: they're going to bring the Pinks and the Blues together.
Speaker 2: How do they do this in this issue? In the
Speaker 2: debut issue, they use the Silver Surfer too. Urder, basically
Speaker 2: the person that the Supreme Intelligence had put in place
Speaker 2: as a Cree leader. So are we going to see
Speaker 2: Silver Surfer in this movie? Probably not, but that is
Speaker 2: a direct Silver Surfer connection. And interestingly, they don't actually
Speaker 2: really use the Silver Surfer. They use a robot of
Speaker 2: the Silver Surfer. Feels very relevant to me. And you
Speaker 2: mentioned Avengers because this was they were an Avengers villain
Speaker 2: and Avengers three forty six, which is the part of
Speaker 2: the massive Avengers crossover Galactic Storm, which you may know
Speaker 2: because it became a video game, and the Avengers are
Speaker 2: on Hallow, where we know that at least some of
Speaker 2: this movie is probably going to take place the Cree
Speaker 2: home world. And this is really I think, as I'm
Speaker 2: a Silver Surfer stand so I had to bring up
Speaker 2: the first appearance connection, But this is really what I
Speaker 2: think is exciting and weird about them choosing this character.
Speaker 2: This is a massive X Men storyline, and in this issue,
Speaker 2: it's a Cree versus the Shear storyline, like a key
Speaker 2: part of X Men Law. And this is an you know,
Speaker 2: dar Ben and Ale and their little Cree Pink and
Speaker 2: Blue kind of leadership party that they're trying to make.
Speaker 2: They end up getting killed by none other than Death Bird,
Speaker 2: who is the sister of Laalandra, who is you know,
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier's lover and has all these connections with Corsair
Speaker 2: and these different kind of key X Men characters. So
Speaker 2: this feels like there are places that they can go
Speaker 2: with this if they want to dive into the Marvel
Speaker 2: cosmic and how it connects to bigger characters like Silver
Speaker 2: Surfer and also the X Men. And that's the second
Speaker 2: to last issue of Galactic Storm, and the next issue
Speaker 2: is called Annihilation, and we haven't seen a big Marvel
Speaker 2: Annihilation yet, so I feel like there's so much fun stuff.
Speaker 2: Also importantly for me, this is the issue where the
Speaker 2: Avengers get their jackets and officially become the Jacket Avengers.
Speaker 1: I just want to see It's huge if we are
Speaker 1: when we go to Haller, I just want to see
Speaker 1: the you know, the the the old school Supreme Pree
Speaker 1: Intelligence not played by Anette Benning, like the head in the.
Speaker 2: Jar, big scary head in the jar. We need to
Speaker 2: see it. And also it does seem like in those
Speaker 2: two issues that dar ben is in, it's like the
Speaker 2: pre Intelligence has kind of been manipulating that she are,
Speaker 2: so they will kill these people who want to take over,
Speaker 2: and it does look like from what we've seen that
Speaker 2: Carol is going to have to go to Hala and fight.
Speaker 2: It looks like she fights dar Ben. I just wonder
Speaker 2: if we're going to see some aspects of this idea
Speaker 2: of somebody trying to take over the kre home planet
Speaker 2: of Halla, reimagine the way that it should be run,
Speaker 2: and then have Carol have to go back and like
Speaker 2: save her planet. I'm doing big inverted commas here, because
Speaker 2: Carol's not been very good at that so far. In
Speaker 2: her cannon and all of that is very deep cosmic
Speaker 2: law that I am excited about. But what I really
Speaker 2: want to see is these three characters switching bodies like
Speaker 2: free Fridays.
Speaker 1: One more thing. Monika's got to stop touching stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh please.
Speaker 1: It's so funny of the trailer. It's like she's, you know,
Speaker 1: floating up to an alien energy space portal and it's like,
Speaker 1: once again, you're touching step She's.
Speaker 2: Just like no one else.
Speaker 1: Now, I you rightly pointed out that listen, the last
Speaker 1: time she touched a weird thing, she got powers. And
Speaker 1: I think if there is one lesson you take away
Speaker 1: from not just Marvel Comics, but superhero comics in general,
Speaker 1: is like touch it, touch the radiation, touch the radioactive spider,
Speaker 1: like let the radiation spill on your face. You know,
Speaker 1: all of the weird things that you definitely shouldn't get
Speaker 1: locked in the room that that you know will bombarge
Speaker 1: with energy, like all of the stuff, like touch it.
Speaker 1: But still, Monica, there's no way this is scientific. It's touching,
Speaker 1: not touching stuff.
Speaker 2: Especially after this specific touching where you send a teen
Speaker 2: into space in your place, I think you can learn
Speaker 2: that touching is bad. Also, I will say something interesting
Speaker 2: about this, especially that shows up when MOV When Monica
Speaker 2: touches something she shouldn't touch, they say this is a
Speaker 2: Saber space station where her and Sam aka nick Furia.
Speaker 2: So I'm very interested because Saber is not something that's
Speaker 2: in the comics, and I guess it's going to be
Speaker 2: an arm of sword or a different version of sword,
Speaker 2: maybe something to separate sword off from the scrolls who
Speaker 2: helped establish it. But I thought that was an interesting note.
Speaker 2: But yeah, looks really fun. We don't know much about
Speaker 2: it yet, but dar Been is a great deep cup
Speaker 2: pull that can hint and we get to see these
Speaker 2: three having like a ton of fun all Right.
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Speaker 1: Folks were stepping out of the airlock and into a
Speaker 1: galaxy far far away. For Season three, Episode seven of
Speaker 1: The Mandalorian, titled Chapter twenty three The Spies, we will
Speaker 1: talk a lot about what they in the course of
Speaker 1: this recap, directed by Rick Famaua and written by Jon
Speaker 1: Favreau and a guy named David Floni.
Speaker 2: May have heard him.
Speaker 1: We open on Coroussant down on the street level where
Speaker 1: all the gritty, grimy, really dangerous stuff happens.
Speaker 2: Run a neon lights.
Speaker 1: It looks gorgeous. It's happen, and we see G sixty
Speaker 1: eight Elliot Kine. She's out of Amnesty House, skulking around
Speaker 1: the alleyways. She meets her contact and Imperial Probe joint
Speaker 1: Abbit to b ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.
Speaker 1: It connects g to her boss off Gideon, Hello, we
Speaker 1: were right, just saying right, I mean we.
Speaker 2: Knew, I mean everyone knew, but it was him most
Speaker 2: obvious thing of old time. Come on, New Republic.
Speaker 1: G then tells Gideon that, uh, the pirates on Navarro
Speaker 1: ran into a little trouble and he's like, oh, is
Speaker 1: it the You said the New republ wouldn't involved. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the Republic. It was Mandalorians led by Din
Speaker 1: Jarn and Bocatan. Gideon is pissed, but that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you hire amateurs to do a job that should
Speaker 1: have been a pro job. And he's alarmed because Bo
Speaker 1: and Dinn together doing something, leading a force of Mandalorians.
Speaker 1: That represents a potential unification of Mandalorian tribes that were
Speaker 1: previously at each other's necks, and that is a threat
Speaker 1: to whatever plans he has. So he's like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: deal with this. He gets off the phone with g
Speaker 1: and walks back to his zoom call. He's having a
Speaker 1: zoom call with a bunch of commanders from what will
Speaker 1: eventually be the First Order, and they're talking about how
Speaker 1: they need to continue to pretend to be disorganized like
Speaker 1: Imperial remnant warlords, just like hijacking hips and doing weird
Speaker 1: crimes across the galaxy, when in reality, what they're hiding
Speaker 1: is that they are a unified force of imperials who's
Speaker 1: hoping to, you know, spoilerlers, bring imperial rule back to
Speaker 1: the galaxy. And the person who they are hoping to
Speaker 1: lead them there is none other than friend from the Chiss,
Speaker 1: the Chiss Immigrant himself, Grand Admiral thron Bomb bomb Bum.
Speaker 2: It's a huge moment. We got funny legends throwback with
Speaker 2: Captain Pellion, who is an ally who kind of talks
Speaker 2: about here. So this is probably the most important zoom
Speaker 2: call of the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now there's only one problem, and that's since the
Speaker 1: end of Rebels, Thron is missing. No one knows where
Speaker 1: he's at, and there are doubts swirling about whether he's
Speaker 1: gone for good. And one of the people on the Zoom,
Speaker 1: and you can count by the way, maff Gideon is
Speaker 1: one of those people because he's definitely like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, he's a that Yeah, where is this guy?
Speaker 1: Now? One of the people on the Zoom is Commandant
Speaker 1: Brendle Ucks, dad of Future Screamer, General Hucks, General NEPO Baby,
Speaker 1: one of the one of the Nepo Babies himself. Now,
Speaker 1: Daddy Hucks is working on something called Project Necromancer, which
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and guess is project bring Palpie Back?
Speaker 2: Right? Got to be? It's gotta be. I mean maybe
Speaker 2: the name is so good and over the top and
Speaker 2: just totally fun and silly, and it's exactly what it says,
Speaker 2: Project Necromance. So they want to bring people back from
Speaker 2: the dead, and we know that that will lead to
Speaker 2: Palpy somehow coming back in the sequel trilogy.
Speaker 1: I love this name.
Speaker 2: Totally silly, totally TV pulp serialized nonsense, and I'm so
Speaker 2: happy that it's cannon and it's so creepy and good
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's bringing Palpee back.
Speaker 1: And now mouth Getting is like, well, let's talk about
Speaker 1: this throng stuff for a second. He says, quote, I
Speaker 1: hear whispers from one end of the galaxy to the other,
Speaker 1: basically saying, no one's more plugged into what people are
Speaker 1: talking about than me. And then he continues, he says,
Speaker 1: and never a word of throng. You have spoken of
Speaker 1: his imminent return. Perhaps it's time we look to new leadership. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where is this guy? This guy's been gone, no one
Speaker 1: knows where he is. And the Necromancer comes back up.
Speaker 1: Hucks is like, okay, well you're shitting on our throng dreams.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened with doctor Pershing, who apparently is the only
Speaker 1: guy in the fucking galaxy capable of doing genetic research.
Speaker 1: It's like, we need this guy for Necromancer whatever necromancer is,
Speaker 1: And Giddeyon is like, oh yeah, sorry, the New Republic
Speaker 1: got him. But like, I've got I've got my people
Speaker 1: on that. I'm working on that. He doesn't say more
Speaker 1: than that, but he suggests that he'll have a fix
Speaker 1: for that soon. Huks then calls out Gideon for doing
Speaker 1: some like off the books research with Pershing on Navarro
Speaker 1: that no one knows about, and then he refuses to
Speaker 1: talk about and Gideon very very ably sidesteps the topic.
Speaker 1: Doesn't admit that, yes, I was on Navarro doing research
Speaker 1: with doctor Pershing that I'm not going to talk about.
Speaker 1: He basically just like flips the accusation. It was like, no, no, no, no, clones,
Speaker 1: your obsession not mine. I was doing some other fucking
Speaker 1: shit over there, which we find out at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode exactly what that was, which is taking
Speaker 1: the best bits of different warrior societies and creating his
Speaker 1: super soldiers. Gideon then flips the discussion again, is like, okay,
Speaker 1: but what are you What are you guys going to
Speaker 1: do for me right now? Because you you all have
Speaker 1: been hoarding resources and I need stuff. What do I need?
Speaker 1: Here's my shopping list. I need Pretorian guards dun du da,
Speaker 1: I need tie interceptors, I need tie bombers. And they're like, man,
Speaker 1: this is some serious weaponry for like, what are you
Speaker 1: scared of an assassination typ He's like, well, you know, like,
Speaker 1: here's what I'm concern about. I'm concerned about Mandalorians. They're
Speaker 1: coming back. They're coming back for their home world. And
Speaker 1: as we all know, people on this zoom we have
Speaker 1: we have some important projects going on on Mandalor and
Speaker 1: we don't want to share it. So give me my stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty clearly he's going to get his stuff.
Speaker 1: We go to Navarro where an Imperial fleet shows up
Speaker 1: over over the town. But then it turns out no, no,
Speaker 1: no grief, carcassays, don't worry my my terrified protocol droid.
Speaker 1: That's not the the Imperials. Look at the Look at
Speaker 1: the paint on the bottom that mythosaurse skull on the
Speaker 1: bottom of that light cruiser. Those are the Mandalorians. Now
Speaker 1: let me ask you how many gallons of paint did
Speaker 1: it take to paint the bottom of this Like a
Speaker 1: billion gallons.
Speaker 2: Of paint at least to be able to see it.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a year of manpower and like so
Speaker 2: much paint you can't even comprehend it. This is like
Speaker 2: if you did the zoom it, you'd see one man
Speaker 2: and he'd be painting like white, and you'd zoom out
Speaker 2: and it would be like, you know, a centimeter on
Speaker 2: there and you have but twenty five thousand men.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it.
Speaker 2: Good for them? Maybe yeah the baby did it with
Speaker 2: the force, but yeah, too much paint is how much
Speaker 2: it costs.
Speaker 1: So the Mandalorian fleet containing of course Axe Wolves's people
Speaker 1: and of course Bo Grogu and Din is making landfall
Speaker 1: by this. You know that new parcel of real estate
Speaker 1: gifted by Grief Cargo and the armor and her folks
Speaker 1: are already there, and a Bow is worried because the
Speaker 1: helmet ons and the helmet offs. These two groups don't
Speaker 1: get along. They don't like each other. We all know
Speaker 1: about the history of interneesceine squabbling between Mandalorian sects, but
Speaker 1: dinner is like none, no, no, they'll cooperate because they
Speaker 1: need to to survive. The armorer welcomes everybody and says, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make dinner. What do you guys want for dinner?
Speaker 1: Grief then comes up he's got a gift of booze,
Speaker 1: one bottle of booze for However, many.
Speaker 2: Show it's a shame because like this was a good idea,
Speaker 2: like get them good. It was a good idea, but like,
Speaker 2: what's everyone having like one tiny sniff that I don't
Speaker 2: even know if everyone's gang a sip, but.
Speaker 1: That's not all something. He's got something very very special
Speaker 1: planned and it's Baby's first Gundam suit. And Angella Mechanic
Speaker 1: comes into a Grief's office and he's driving the chassis
Speaker 1: of IG eleven now known as IG twelve because they've
Speaker 1: all bottomized IG eleven, taken out all his like you know,
Speaker 1: memory and drive circuits, so it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: the the stuff that keeps him working, the core systems.
Speaker 1: And then uh, there's a little pilot's uh platform on
Speaker 1: the chest where the pilot can stand and just with
Speaker 1: two old joysticks like run the one I G twelve.
Speaker 1: It's more like a vehicle, Grief says, because Dn is
Speaker 1: like this is weird, and Din is like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: Grogu's too, he's a baby. We can't can we really
Speaker 1: have him driving.
Speaker 2: Baby?
Speaker 1: And Greg is like no, no, no, I want to
Speaker 1: do it. I want to do it. Probably wants to
Speaker 1: be in a Mac.
Speaker 2: Who can baby in a Mac?
Speaker 1: Grogu gets in the mech and denn Is like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is all fun and games, but get out. And
Speaker 1: there's apparently two buttons on the console, one for yes
Speaker 1: and one for no, and Grogu' is just like every
Speaker 1: time Dan is like get out, He's like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, and is like he seems like he
Speaker 1: seems like he's doing well. He's piloting pretty well. And
Speaker 1: then gir was like yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.
Speaker 2: And he does like strong arms mando to like.
Speaker 1: And he's like no now he's like bye, and then
Speaker 1: he just starts stumbling out to like the market street,
Speaker 1: grabbing fruit and crushing it, like just to show like
Speaker 1: what he could do, and making Daddy Dinn have to
Speaker 1: pay for all the street you.
Speaker 2: Have to pay for that? Like, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: This is a terrible I'm happy the baby got a mech,
Speaker 2: but on a parental level, I understand why Din does
Speaker 2: not want that.
Speaker 1: I understand now there's no as far as we know.
Speaker 1: I G eleven was of course a very very dangerous robot,
Speaker 1: but it like blasters and stuff, yeah yeah, And it
Speaker 1: appears that there's no you know, built in hardware weaponry
Speaker 1: on IG twelve, So I know, So I do wonder.
Speaker 2: I think I think Grief made the mech with the
Speaker 2: intention of it being for Grogu. I think from the
Speaker 2: moment that Din had his insane, very project necromancer idea
Speaker 2: to take this poor dead body of this droid that
Speaker 2: had been turned into a statue and try and reanimate
Speaker 2: it with a brain chip card that, by the way,
Speaker 2: didn't just got distracted and never go.
Speaker 1: We don't care about the brains.
Speaker 2: You don't care about that anymore.
Speaker 1: We're trying to repopulate baddle or we don't have time
Speaker 1: for side quest. Gotta go for a bath.
Speaker 2: The side quest is over. The side quest has been
Speaker 2: taken over by a more important side quest. And I
Speaker 2: think that from that very moment, the Anzelians who love
Speaker 2: the bad Baby, they think he's quite cheeky and grief.
Speaker 2: I think they came up with this plan. So really
Speaker 2: Din's been out voted. But does it have weapons? Probably not.
Speaker 2: Seems like it'll be a silly idea, but it does
Speaker 2: feel like we're gonna get to see some hefty grogu.
Speaker 1: Action in the mac in the phenomenon, I just I
Speaker 1: understand that he has the little best guard chess plate
Speaker 1: that is just held on by the tension, just tension
Speaker 1: of his robe. But like I can we get a
Speaker 1: blast cover, like he gotta have bos he needs in
Speaker 1: front of it. Yeah, time, something like a canopy with
Speaker 1: a little like a little like bombed deer's slit.
Speaker 2: So you can see like that.
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's like everybody's me shooting at
Speaker 1: center mass.
Speaker 2: I even just like pull down something a little shield.
Speaker 1: I can't have the baby get hit, but it looks
Speaker 1: fantastic job, great idea, grief, I love it. Uh that
Speaker 1: night over some roast gigantic animal that the Mandalorian's killed
Speaker 1: because they love to do that. The helmet Ons and
Speaker 1: Offs are eyeing each other warily, and Bo is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I gotta make the we got to pull
Speaker 1: together speech. She gets up, she makes the speech. She
Speaker 1: proposes returning to Mandalor. She's like, we're going to go
Speaker 1: to Mandelor with a scouting party. We're going to find
Speaker 1: the Great Forge, and then once we've secured that, we're
Speaker 1: going to create a little base and that at that
Speaker 1: point we're going to start bringing people back to Mandolor.
Speaker 1: We're going to retake the planet. So I want volunteers
Speaker 1: for the scouting party, and it's got to be from
Speaker 1: both tribes, which is a great idea. And there's no wonderfully,
Speaker 1: there's no shortage of takers.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that group includes din grow goo ax woves, paths
Speaker 1: and many many more. But those are the hefties.
Speaker 2: It becomes very it's very spartacus. First people are a
Speaker 2: little wary, and then then says yes, and then suddenly
Speaker 2: it's this is the way, and everybody's going uh.
Speaker 1: And they head out with honestly, for how many people
Speaker 1: say yes, a shocking amount of ships. They take the
Speaker 1: light cruiser and they waste in the ship and like
Speaker 1: a ships they take what looked like the entire fleet
Speaker 1: goes to Mandelor. Now they arrive on Mandelor with and
Speaker 1: they just take one of the smaller, you know, scout
Speaker 1: ships and they go through the atmosphere. Of course, the
Speaker 1: boat takes pains to you know, tell hey, when we
Speaker 1: go down, we're gonna be cut off. Nobody's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to communicate with us. Uh. And then they land
Speaker 1: and then for some reason Bow is like, hey, the
Speaker 1: green Forge is like somewhere in that direction, let's walk.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: Bo Why are we not fly? Just fucking fly there?
Speaker 1: Why should we walk it?
Speaker 2: You all fit in that one ship. You can just fly,
Speaker 2: just fly to all your and then land babe, just
Speaker 2: it's not exactly a scenic walk, like this is not
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: And by the way, my other thing and the and
Speaker 1: the mandal aureos. I think part of obviously the squabbling
Speaker 1: is a big factor, and you know why they've found
Speaker 1: themselves in the position they not not to victim blame again,
Speaker 1: but it's but it was a factor. And then I
Speaker 1: think another factor that they need to learn is like
Speaker 1: combined arms, like take okay, if the ships can't communicate
Speaker 1: with the other ships through the atmosphere, just have everybody
Speaker 1: come down into the atmosphere, Like why stay up there?
Speaker 1: Haven't everybody come down? Because the upside of that is
Speaker 1: anybody that might come, enemies that might come looking for
Speaker 1: they have no idea where the fuck you are because
Speaker 1: they can't stand through the atmosphere. And now you can
Speaker 1: communicate with your people if they're all in the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Don't just leave most of the up there and you
Speaker 1: don't know where they are, and then you walk away
Speaker 1: from your spaceship. So what happens if there's like an
Speaker 1: EMERGENC You're gonna run back to the fucking ship like
Speaker 1: all miles or however far you guys, walked bad ideas anyway,
Speaker 1: just take the ships play are we walking? Later they
Speaker 1: encounter like this really really cool like sailing barge that
Speaker 1: slides the very reminiscent of the kind of walker that
Speaker 1: Rex and the older Clones were living in when we
Speaker 1: catch up with them again in season two of Rebels,
Speaker 1: the episode Lost Commanders. Really really cool to see this.
Speaker 1: It floats up and big surprise for Bo. It's crewed
Speaker 1: by remnants of the night Owls, which were an elite
Speaker 1: fighting force that was once sworn to bow and they
Speaker 1: make it clear that hey, we're still with you. We
Speaker 1: have failed you, they say, but our blasters remain in
Speaker 1: your service. Very touching moment. They look haggard like they've
Speaker 1: been going through it. The very first thing they ask is, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys got food, got more.
Speaker 2: Giant birth died beasts?
Speaker 1: Hey you guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys got any of the meat of jackie
Speaker 2: best meat.
Speaker 1: So everyone gets on the night owl ship because again
Speaker 1: they left their ship behind and what could only be
Speaker 1: described as one of the most unwise moves we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: You guys could have just gotten on your regular ship
Speaker 1: that had like weapons and stuff. Anyway, Uh, the night
Speaker 1: Owls then tell the story of surviving on the on
Speaker 1: the planet while the purge was going on. They apparently
Speaker 1: like moved across the surface from place to place, just
Speaker 1: kind of like dancing through the through the fusion bombs,
Speaker 1: and they say of their experience, you know, they the
Speaker 1: Empire punished us because we refused to surrender, and Bow
Speaker 1: then says, no, that's actually not true, and she tells
Speaker 1: them that in her desperation, when it seemed like everything
Speaker 1: was lost and Mandalorin's truly faced extinction, she met with
Speaker 1: maf Gideon and basically forged a deal that they would
Speaker 1: submit to the Empire and disarm and then all the
Speaker 1: Mandalorians would be spared. And of course maf Gidion double
Speaker 1: cross them and just decided to like kill everybody anyway,
Speaker 1: and then took the Dark Saber. A huge, huge, that's
Speaker 1: huge mission. It's a huge, huge reveal, and it's also
Speaker 1: you know, for a Mandalorian to actually surrender, that must
Speaker 1: have been really, really way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It gives a lot of complexity to bo a character,
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of people either love
Speaker 2: or have a quite complex relationship with after seeing her
Speaker 2: in the TV animated stuff, and I think that Bo,
Speaker 2: the way they've treated bo heir and the performance that
Speaker 2: Katie gives and the additions of context around the choices
Speaker 2: that she made, especially this conversation is really huge, and
Speaker 2: I think it adds a lot to the character and
Speaker 2: to what we know about Mandalor.
Speaker 1: I agreed. The arrival of the night owls now adds
Speaker 1: another faction to this very combustible mix of Mandalorianness. Bo insists, again, Hey,
Speaker 1: we need to overcome our divisions. We got to avoid
Speaker 1: these mistakes that have torn us apart in the past
Speaker 1: if we want to rebuild. Dinn comes away with a
Speaker 1: real appreciation for Bo and for the way the helmet
Speaker 1: Offs live their version of Mandalorianness, and he notes he says, like,
Speaker 1: you know, basically says we're survivors, right. He says, what
Speaker 1: we'll rebuild? It isn't that our history? And Bo, you know,
Speaker 1: talks openly, very vulnerably about her fears about not being
Speaker 1: the leader that this moment needs. She says, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can keep everyone together, which I think
Speaker 1: is the thing that you want your leader to worry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you definitely want that, you don't want over oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it, exactly true.
Speaker 2: That's always what goes wrong. You always want the person
Speaker 2: who doesn't think they can be a leader to be
Speaker 2: the leader because they're being chosen by the people around them.
Speaker 2: Very interesting moment between Din and Bo here because he
Speaker 2: just straight up says to her like I will serve you.
Speaker 2: He says, I will serve you because you have honor,
Speaker 2: because I trust you, and I think Bo being vulnerable
Speaker 2: and Bo being honest. It upends what Dinn has been told.
Speaker 2: What the death Watch used to say about her, She
Speaker 2: was selfish, she would never surrenders, she wouldn't fight hard enough.
Speaker 2: He learns here that that was essentially propaganda. That this
Speaker 2: is a real human who tried to make a decision
Speaker 2: to save her people and was betrayed. And this is
Speaker 2: a huge This man has gone from being a bounty
Speaker 2: hunter who works for money and credits to now saying
Speaker 2: he pledges his allegiance to Bo and he will try
Speaker 2: and rebuild Mandolo with her.
Speaker 1: That's massive, It's massive, and it's I love that Bo
Speaker 1: is really grabbing the mantle of Duchess Stine, who similarly, yeah,
Speaker 1: was just trying to hold her people together, trying to
Speaker 1: forge this new path, a political path, a less warlike path,
Speaker 1: and was you know, the focus of a lot of
Speaker 1: violence from her own people for it, and now here
Speaker 1: is bo essentially doing the same thing, but after you know,
Speaker 1: her people have almost been wiped out. It's really heart rending.
Speaker 1: Now many of the night Owls are not well. They've
Speaker 1: been living on the surfaces bomb planet, eating who knows.
Speaker 2: What and crystal something.
Speaker 1: So the armorer is like, I'll take them back up
Speaker 1: to the ships that we left for some reason, I've
Speaker 1: in order and I'll be back and.
Speaker 2: Let's let's remember that as we go forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the rest of them, the rest of the
Speaker 1: night Owls like who were good enough, who apparently have
Speaker 1: been who are healthy enough to continue? They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Great Forge, Yeah yeah, we know it, Like just
Speaker 1: it's right over here. So they head there. Later on
Speaker 1: the ship as they're en route to the grape Forge
Speaker 1: Pass and acts get in a fight over a board game,
Speaker 1: which I get it, I've been there.
Speaker 2: It happens, it's reliable.
Speaker 1: It immediately turns into this kind of like symbolic fight
Speaker 1: of between these two tribes, and no one is sure
Speaker 1: what to do. The Blades come out boat is a
Speaker 1: little bit frozen by it, you know, like protocol would
Speaker 1: seem to suggest, like you don't get involved.
Speaker 2: You can't do it because it's two separate tribes, so
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to open.
Speaker 1: Not supposed to And Dinn follows bose lead, but of
Speaker 1: course grogu doesn't. Grogu Is has the liberty and the
Speaker 1: clarity of being like disconnected from this history and steps
Speaker 1: up with his met between them, and everybody actually chills out.
Speaker 1: They're a little chastened because when a baby is like
Speaker 1: you guys are acting like babies that it really hits.
Speaker 2: Ye maybe in a crying suit, is like, please calm down.
Speaker 1: Soon after this, a giant kaiju monster, not the mythosaur bursts.
Speaker 1: Very confusing and this this is a fantastic episode of
Speaker 1: the Manor program television program, But this was the only
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, we already are primed to
Speaker 1: be waiting to see the minsar again. It's a little
Speaker 1: weird to then have a very similar looking.
Speaker 2: Giant monster arrived and it comes at like an important time.
Speaker 2: It seems to be doing something that's relevant, but it's
Speaker 2: just a sea monster. It doesn't happen just a just
Speaker 2: a cool sea monster, which great because I love a
Speaker 2: cool sea monster, so I appreciate it, but slightly confusing.
Speaker 1: It then wrecks the night Owls barge, and not every
Speaker 1: Mandalorian makes it out. You see several casualties in this explosion,
Speaker 1: but thankfully the Mandalarians with dialogue do you manage to
Speaker 1: make uh? And the new Mandalorians then head underground for
Speaker 1: shelter and they come to the ruins of the Grave Forge.
Speaker 1: Suddenly they are ambushed by Death Troopers with jetbacks clad
Speaker 1: in best gar. The fight they is brutal.
Speaker 2: They basically look like stormtroopers crossed with Mandalorians. Absolutely good flible,
Speaker 2: and like you said, that fight is brutal, like they
Speaker 2: seem equally matched, which we don't usually see with any
Speaker 2: kind of trooper.
Speaker 1: It goes it's they're shooting, it's hand to hand. It
Speaker 1: is it is. It's really bad. And so Ax is like,
Speaker 1: I'll go for reinforcements to the ships that we left
Speaker 1: outside the atmosphere that we should have just like had
Speaker 1: trailing us. But I'll go and and I guess how
Speaker 1: would he would he fly? Like all the way up?
Speaker 1: I know, do we refill his jet pack?
Speaker 2: Because we know he didn't when he was looking for
Speaker 2: his son. But how no, no, no, this is as
Speaker 2: it seems like he would be bat No.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, can they can you fly all
Speaker 1: the way up into into orbit with just the jetpag like,
Speaker 1: didn't the armor take the ship?
Speaker 2: I know, how is he getting up there? Seems unlikely,
Speaker 2: but I guess that's true mercenaries, So maybe I try.
Speaker 1: I trust him. I trust the Axe knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, Ax goes up and this really heartwarring
Speaker 1: sign of the unity that this tribe is experiencing now
Speaker 1: passes like I will lay down covering from He lays
Speaker 1: on covering fire, and Axe flies up through the hole.
Speaker 1: The new Mandos beat the troopers back, and they go
Speaker 1: to pursue and finish off their wounded enemy. But then
Speaker 1: they find themselves in a trap. It's a hidden imperial base.
Speaker 1: There's tie interceptors all around, and it is Gideon then
Speaker 1: has sprung the trap. Gideon takes Din hostage as the
Speaker 1: rest of the party, you know, trapped behind the blast doors,
Speaker 1: watches helplessly. Grogu is like crying moth, then tells the
Speaker 1: new Mandalorians that what he's been up to, and here
Speaker 1: and here this basically tells us what he was using
Speaker 1: Grogor for. He says, like, you know, I'm taking all
Speaker 1: the best bits from all the best warriors from all
Speaker 1: around the galaxy, best gar from the Mandalorians, DNA from Jedi,
Speaker 1: our little friend Grogro over there, other stuff, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to create this like super super soldier army. And
Speaker 1: with that army, I'm gonna fucking conquer the galaxy. He
Speaker 1: then is like gets on the horn with his tight
Speaker 1: bombers and it's like, go destroy those ships. Gideon then
Speaker 1: makes bow an offer. Listen, surrender right now, give me
Speaker 1: the Dark Saver. Tell all your Mandalorians to lay down
Speaker 1: their weapons and follow me, and I'll spare everyone. But like,
Speaker 1: how can you trust the guy? It's absolutely yeah, hard No.
Speaker 1: They start shooting at the glass, which doesn't do anything,
Speaker 1: but like these guys love to shoot and stuff, and
Speaker 1: then Bo cuts a hole through the blast door in
Speaker 1: the back and they all escape. Meanwhile, the front blast
Speaker 1: door opens and here come all these death Troopers and
Speaker 1: pauses like I'm fucking going out like a fucking Viking.
Speaker 1: I'm going down, like he goes. He basically goes like
Speaker 1: on a fifty person killing streak. It's like a fifty
Speaker 1: to one KDI ratio until those Praetorians that mof Gideon
Speaker 1: ordered on Imperial Amazon arrive and they take him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a great scene, a really great scene, and rip
Speaker 1: to Paz.
Speaker 2: Ripza Paz. He did great. I hope he's not really dead,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely really dead.
Speaker 1: He's dead.
Speaker 2: They muck him. Also, I just want to mention Muff.
Speaker 2: Gideon has like sick doth Veda cross with.
Speaker 1: Pasma Captain Patsma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he calls it is a Dark
Speaker 2: Trooper armor that he's created, and it's this best gard
Speaker 2: Darth Vader armor. And obviously he basically made it because
Speaker 2: he wants to have the Dark Saber and be the
Speaker 2: Dark Trooper. It's so emo. But this is really cool.
Speaker 2: I love this unexpected twist, this.
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 2: Dueling idea of wanting to rule mandalor Bo wants to
Speaker 2: do it for the Mandalorians and the people, and Gideon
Speaker 2: sees it as like a power vacuum where he can
Speaker 2: on a new version of.
Speaker 1: Mandalor free planet. Yeah, filled with weapons, and why not?
Speaker 1: Why do not. I just set a base right here
Speaker 1: and uses the lunch had to take over the galaxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very outrageous scheme. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 2: go well for him, just looking at what we know
Speaker 2: of Star Wars history. But this was a very cool episode.
Speaker 2: Rick just absolutely smashed it once again. I think if
Speaker 2: anyone had been feeling we we have been big fan
Speaker 2: and of the more out there side quest episodes because
Speaker 2: we love that kind of stuff. I loved the Plazi
Speaker 2: F fifteen. I thought it was so fun. But I
Speaker 2: feel like if people have been looking for that, how
Speaker 2: does it all come together and how does this impact
Speaker 2: stuff going forwards? This is that episode where the loose
Speaker 2: threads begin to be tied together and we start to
Speaker 2: get an inkling of the greater plan Rosie.
Speaker 1: The title of this episode is the Spies Now G
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Eliot Kine is certainly the one is definitely
Speaker 1: a spy, so plural spies. There's a lot of conjecture
Speaker 1: on the internets right now about who the other spies are.
Speaker 1: Who do you think the other spies are? I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly there are some suspects. I found it weird that
Speaker 1: we had that armorer scene in there where Yes just
Speaker 1: flies up with the night owls and then you think
Speaker 1: that you're going to see the attack on the fleet,
Speaker 1: but then you never see it.
Speaker 2: That definitely suspicious Axe Wolves.
Speaker 1: Also is like I guess I'm gonna fly my jetpack
Speaker 1: all over his space and get to the ships. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's there's there's people who left in weird circumstances.
Speaker 2: And we did get that thing that moment at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode last week where the man lawyers
Speaker 2: who acts leads mentioned that like, yeah, we'll be honorable
Speaker 2: for a few credits. So there's still that duality of like,
Speaker 2: do they really believe that bo won the lightsaber fairly?
Speaker 2: Would they betray her? I think another good I think
Speaker 2: this is really interesting because, as the Internet has pointed out,
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, the titles of the Mad Laurian
Speaker 2: episodes are usually incredibly.
Speaker 1: Literal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very very literal. So it seems odd to
Speaker 2: be in a situation where we don't know exactly what
Speaker 2: this is referencing to. And you made a great point
Speaker 2: before we started recording that it's rare for them to
Speaker 2: want you to be ahead of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's usually just like a storytelling one on one. Ever,
Speaker 1: let the audience be ahead of it, Like if you're
Speaker 1: going to reveal that there's a betrayer amongst the Mandalorians,
Speaker 1: don't let people be looking for that person because it'll
Speaker 1: ruin the reveal.
Speaker 2: I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they want that conversation
Speaker 2: because another person that I think could we could think
Speaker 2: about it as being about Moff Gideon because he's part
Speaker 2: of this Imperial Zoom and he's using the technology and
Speaker 2: the resources that they have while doing his own thing
Speaker 2: to try and take over the galaxy himself. So is
Speaker 2: he technically a spy in that space because he's betraying them?
Speaker 2: I think the armor a thing is a really great call.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if maybe there is somebody within Moff
Speaker 2: Gideon's ranks who is actually potentially a spy for our
Speaker 2: Mandalorians who might turn in that way. I think that
Speaker 2: we could be in a possibility here because of the
Speaker 2: plural nature and the fact that it's obviously not just
Speaker 2: about Elliott, who obviously is a spy, we could have
Speaker 2: a big surprise in the finale of having a few
Speaker 2: different maybe a spy network that we don't know about
Speaker 2: or something. It's very it's a very interesting choice.
Speaker 1: Here's my argument against the armor slash ax woves as
Speaker 1: spies from off Gideon. Wouldn't he no more stuff? Like
Speaker 1: why would he need G sixty eight then to tell
Speaker 1: him that that is a great the Laurian's interfered with
Speaker 1: the pirates because he would just be getting that directly
Speaker 1: the armor, yeah, from them. So it I wonder again,
Speaker 1: considering how as you mentioned, like the titles are always
Speaker 1: very very just what it is on the surface level,
Speaker 1: like you know, no subjects, just text. I wonder if,
Speaker 1: like maf Gideon is the spy because ye, as we
Speaker 1: see in this episode, he is working against what the
Speaker 1: rest of the First Order, even though they're not the
Speaker 1: First Order, he's kind of working against what they wanted.
Speaker 1: They're all like, we can't wait for Daddy's throwing to
Speaker 1: come home, and he's like no, no, no, we're not looking.
Speaker 2: He's like, who's throwing him? But it is, it is.
Speaker 1: It's a it's fascinating, and I do wonder where. I
Speaker 1: wonder how much more coruscont and G. Sixty eight we're
Speaker 1: gonna get? And I wonder, I yeah, I wonder how
Speaker 1: much more of that there is, K would seem it
Speaker 1: would seem as if, unless that spy network is gonna
Speaker 1: get revealed, it would seem like we're kind of done
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like they got all they needed. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: she's so great kay O'Brien as Alias. It's such a
Speaker 2: we a kind of nefarious energy that she puts across
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't be surprised if they try and reveal
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I suppose, and this would fit
Speaker 2: into conversations we'd had before. I wonder if the spies
Speaker 2: is more to do with Alia potentially running a spy
Speaker 2: network within the amnesty program or something like that, you know.
Speaker 2: I I wonder if that will come into play in
Speaker 2: the finale that like that particular storyline and how she
Speaker 2: helped Gideon is done, but maybe that Imperial network is
Speaker 2: a lot stronger than we thought, and we'll kind of
Speaker 2: see the resurgence in the finale as we know this
Speaker 2: is now all leading to that sequel trilogy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't. I think it would be an
Speaker 1: adacious reveal if the Armor was like a spy for
Speaker 1: the like, that would be absolutely incredible, like a game
Speaker 1: level like Flip that if they did it right, that
Speaker 1: would be a gut bunch. But I just I can't
Speaker 1: get there, Like, why did she Why would she so
Speaker 1: helpful on Navarro? Then when they were fighting the pirates,
Speaker 1: why didn't she just kind of like not try that
Speaker 1: she didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd have to have an ultimately brilliant it all
Speaker 2: comes together reasoning, because you know, when you're a spy,
Speaker 2: you have to play both sides. You have to be believable.
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, she has done many things. I
Speaker 2: would say there are some kind of you could have
Speaker 2: some fun if it was revealed that she was a
Speaker 2: spy with kind of that flip flop nature of who
Speaker 2: she deems worthy to be a Mandalorian and how she
Speaker 2: goes from having these huge concrete visions of what Mandalor
Speaker 2: is and who the Mandlorians are to suddenly being like
Speaker 2: well as many Mandlorians as possible. I mean, okay, so
Speaker 2: this is again on the audacious side. But what if
Speaker 2: the reason that she's been trying to grow this Mandalorian
Speaker 2: you know group, is because she was going to send
Speaker 2: them to this trap and have Gidde and kill them.
Speaker 2: He says, thank you for bringing all the Mandalorians to
Speaker 2: one place, you know, So there are arguments, but I
Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that is someone who does
Speaker 2: truly care about Mandalor we know she cares about best
Speaker 2: Scar and she's very deeply. But then again, she could
Speaker 2: be help. She could have been helping Gideon make those uniforms.
Speaker 2: He knows how to do it.
Speaker 1: That's true, but like when she why would she go,
Speaker 1: when would she do it? How would she get there?
Speaker 1: I guess, like the other side of it is that
Speaker 1: we've noted in past episodes, like how effective they're recruiting.
Speaker 1: Was this is even before you know Bow's helmet offs
Speaker 1: came into the fold. They they grew the population of
Speaker 1: the covert pretty significantly. And so I guess the another
Speaker 1: way you could go about it, if indeed the Armor
Speaker 1: is a spy, is that she's been assembling this force
Speaker 1: of Mandalorians to then hand to Gideon to then become
Speaker 1: part of his army. Maybe that's it, but it's again
Speaker 1: i'd find it. It would be, it would be, It
Speaker 1: would be audacious, but it would be I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could get there. I don't it, I don't think,
Speaker 1: and it would really tear apart everything that Din and
Speaker 1: Grogu and so many of those Mandalorians from the covert
Speaker 1: know about Mandalorian being a Mandalorian. Like it would destroy
Speaker 1: the ultimate betrayal. It would be incredible if it was true.
Speaker 1: But like, I just can't see it.
Speaker 2: Maybe acts though, maybe yeah, a mercenary I could see that.
Speaker 1: You know, you can see it at Vieham. Sure, all right,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk more about the Yeah, the
Speaker 1: finales next week. The finale of The Mandalorian is gonna
Speaker 1: be a banger. Let me ask you this before we
Speaker 1: get there. Rick Femau, who of course directed this episode
Speaker 1: in various great episodes of The Manlorin television program, has
Speaker 1: been quoted as saying that the title of The Mandalorian
Speaker 1: no longer refers to just didn't It refers to the
Speaker 1: Mandalorian people writ large, it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be bo that Star Wars celebration. It's more about that.
Speaker 2: Even this season, I think they were saying it's about
Speaker 2: the Mandalorians as a culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think then, and I think if you
Speaker 1: could pull back like the curtain, you might say that
Speaker 1: some of the kind of like bottle episode segments of
Speaker 1: this season, you know, could have been necessary because of
Speaker 1: like how you know, maybe they didn't have Pedro as
Speaker 1: much as they wanted. Are they gonna kill? Didn't like
Speaker 1: didn't know? Didn't we know that didnt doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in any battles going forward, like any of the any
Speaker 1: of the the big stuff New Republic versus the First Order,
Speaker 1: you'd assume he'd be there, although you could come up
Speaker 1: with any reason that he wouldn't be there. And it
Speaker 1: has me wondering that quote from Rick, plus where we
Speaker 1: are right now in the story, plus the fact that
Speaker 1: we do you know, we don't see Din and Grug
Speaker 1: running around in any of the big battles. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they I wonder if he makes it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you make a really good point, especially because
Speaker 2: we're getting so close to tying this to the sequel
Speaker 2: trilogy now and we know we don't know where Dinn was.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like he was anywhere, So, especially when
Speaker 2: you're starting to do things like Praetorian Gods, you're really
Speaker 2: directing us towards that first order. Where Where would he be?
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he be involved? Where is the baby? Maybe
Speaker 2: they were living off planet somewhere, But I think that
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility
Speaker 2: that Dinn does not survive. Probably not this season, but
Speaker 2: I think I could see a season four us saying
Speaker 2: rip to din Man.
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen. I hope it doesn't happen
Speaker 1: this season. I'm not sure too.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be wrong. I want to see him
Speaker 2: on the big screen if they're doing this movie. I
Speaker 2: want to see him with the baby, and the baby
Speaker 2: and the mech and dinner his ship. It'll be great.
Speaker 1: Up next, The Hive Mind with Benny schwas himself, Ben Schwartz,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the High Mind, where we explore topic in
Speaker 1: more detail with the help of expert guests. This week.
Speaker 1: Absolutely thrilled to have actor and comedian Ben Schwartz. You,
Speaker 1: of course know him from Parks and rec Sonic the Hedgehog,
Speaker 1: The After Party on Apple TV plus end the reason
Speaker 1: for his apperiance here The upcoming film Renfield out on
Speaker 1: April fourteenth. Wherever you watch your movies. We watched the
Speaker 1: movie Renfield and it's delightful.
Speaker 2: It is a fun movie, very fun.
Speaker 1: Here's our conversation with Ben Schwartz. Ben Schwartz, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining x ray vision.
Speaker 5: Jason, did you see the video on MSG? Okay?
Speaker 1: Great? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: We start there.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling, what are your what's your gut
Speaker 1: check feeling about the Knicks in the postseason?
Speaker 5: I feel great. By the way.
Speaker 6: I know people are afraid of Cleveland's defense. Of course
Speaker 6: it makes total sense, but I am so excited for
Speaker 6: a Cleveland matchup. I feel first of all, ever since
Speaker 6: we didn't get Donovan, I've been like, uh, every time
Speaker 6: I see him play, and he's had such a good year,
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, could you imagine if he was on
Speaker 6: our team?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: My goodness, you imagine? And now it's like, we literally
Speaker 6: are matching up with the guy.
Speaker 5: That we almost got.
Speaker 1: So I am.
Speaker 6: I am like, I think we have a chance of winning,
Speaker 6: Like I really feel, I feel strongly.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're the favorite, but I think we
Speaker 1: have a chance.
Speaker 6: I think we know we're not the favorite. A mere
Speaker 6: text me this morning that we're the We're in the
Speaker 6: betting pools where the low. We're not above, we're the under.
Speaker 1: How Dad never tell us the odds? Ringfield is so fun?
Speaker 1: What was it like being a villain, being a bad guy?
Speaker 5: It was crazy. I got to like, they put back
Speaker 5: my hair, they give me fake tattoos. Every day.
Speaker 6: I had tattoos all my chest and arms. I had
Speaker 6: to like all the things I've never done in my life,
Speaker 6: shoot guns, work out. I had to work out for this.
Speaker 5: Race, cars, get into fist fights, do a ton of drugs.
Speaker 5: So it's like I just don't do any of that
Speaker 5: stuff in real life. So it was so fun.
Speaker 6: And then I tried to like give the guy mommy
Speaker 6: issues and like make it so like all this stuff
Speaker 6: is coming from kind of a pathetic place where he
Speaker 6: just wants people to like him, and all that stuff
Speaker 6: was heaven to me. It was really really fun to
Speaker 6: take what a villain usually is and kind of blow
Speaker 6: it up a bit, which was really fo Yeah.
Speaker 2: The whole movie really does that with kind of the
Speaker 2: idea of like who is the central force in a
Speaker 2: story about Dracula? Usually it's Dracula, and obviously here it's Renfield.
Speaker 2: But what was it like to get to work alongside
Speaker 2: Obviously Nicholas is incredible, but then you have Nick Cage second.
Speaker 2: Nicholas in like the most Nick Cage role of all time,
Speaker 2: So what was it like being on set with Nick
Speaker 2: Cage Dracula, and by the way.
Speaker 6: Rosie, I won har person agree when I watched the
Speaker 6: movie back and you see what he did is Dracula,
Speaker 6: It's like incredible. He plays like seventy different incursions. It's
Speaker 6: it's the most Nick Cage you've ever seen. It's like
Speaker 6: and also I love his performances because he's so unpredictable.
Speaker 6: Now he has a role where his character is unpredictable too,
Speaker 6: But it was amazing. And the best part is like
Speaker 6: in between the Nick Cage stuff, It's like we're shooting
Speaker 6: a scene where he's like choking me and then throwing
Speaker 6: me in and then they go, okay, cut, we're gonna
Speaker 6: switch cameras, and then we sit back on our tables.
Speaker 5: But he's still dresses dragging, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, I literally said to him, I was like, hey man,
Speaker 6: So the first time I saw adaptation, I stopped it
Speaker 6: started from the beginning.
Speaker 5: I think that movie is unbelievable. I am so in lovable.
Speaker 6: And then he's just he's just like he's just a
Speaker 6: great guy who loves movies. He loves movies and has
Speaker 6: like a pet crow. He's like everything you love Nick
Speaker 6: Cage for.
Speaker 1: You're of course known for your your improv skills, your
Speaker 1: improv background. How much of that did you bring to
Speaker 1: bear in this part?
Speaker 5: I they let me, Chris, let me go crazy.
Speaker 6: There's a cut of this movie that's like an hour
Speaker 6: and change longer than this, and I can literally, oh
Speaker 6: my god, I could point to scenes because I love
Speaker 6: the movie is ninety minutes long, which makes sense because
Speaker 6: the movie's got to like move. It's like a bullet
Speaker 6: like goes off and you're off to the races. But
Speaker 6: so they had to lose a lot, but I had
Speaker 6: so much more. Every scene you've seen me in this
Speaker 6: film was like a full minute and a half longer,
Speaker 6: and then they slowly cut it. But like there's a
Speaker 6: scene where like I have a bag of cocaine in
Speaker 6: my car and I get into a car accident and
Speaker 6: Aquafina and Adrian Martinez are are racing with me and
Speaker 6: I throw coke at them their cops. And then in
Speaker 6: that scene, Chris McKay, we shot up for two days,
Speaker 6: let me go into any of the extras cars and
Speaker 6: like doud like fuck with everybody. And so I was
Speaker 6: we were going crazy, and like every scene you see, Chris,
Speaker 6: we did it as is, and then we did it
Speaker 6: with me going bananas, and some of that stuff got
Speaker 6: in there, and then some of it just like you know,
Speaker 6: if I'm going too long, the scene is going too long,
Speaker 6: and also the movie is too long. But so a
Speaker 6: little bit is in there. But there is like a
Speaker 6: treasure trove of nonsense somewhere out there on the cutting floor.
Speaker 2: That's for the DVD extras. I don't know do they
Speaker 2: still do those. I still buy DVDs for the streaming extras.
Speaker 5: What's the last dv what's the last DVD you bought?
Speaker 2: Oh? The last DVD I bought? Well, the place I
Speaker 2: buy DVDs is the book off in Torrents, which sells
Speaker 2: dollar DVDs. So the last DVDs I bought was a
Speaker 2: double More a Combat and More All Combat Annihilation box
Speaker 2: set for one dollar.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: I have an extensively terrible DVD collection of movies that
Speaker 2: I love. And one of the things, like obviously comedy,
Speaker 2: that's like one of your big loves, one of our
Speaker 2: big loves here and one of the reasons we are
Speaker 2: so stoked to have you on here. This is like
Speaker 2: a podcast that was born of a love of comics.
Speaker 2: So can I talk to you a little bit about
Speaker 2: your love of comics and kind of like what was
Speaker 2: your comic book origin? What was the comic that made
Speaker 2: you fall in love with comics.
Speaker 6: I've talked about my comic I talked about a Marvel
Speaker 6: card collection with Jason in the past. But like I so,
Speaker 6: I started by collecting basketball cards and Marble cards, and
Speaker 6: then I start with like you know, and then my
Speaker 6: comics start with like Slapstick.
Speaker 5: I don't know if remember Slapstick. It was a marble flapstick,
Speaker 5: and then.
Speaker 6: Like Wolverine, and then X Men was huge, and then
Speaker 6: when Superman died was an enormous moment. When I was
Speaker 6: in you know, there was like the black case that
Speaker 6: you could buy it in like the black plastic bag.
Speaker 2: So you knew you were read in the right issues.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like there's I always loved like the incredible
Speaker 6: like there even like the cover sometimes would get me.
Speaker 6: Sometimes there'd be a fantastic for like silver Surfer cover
Speaker 6: where it was like silver and like I would like
Speaker 6: be so excited to collect like unique things. But anytime
Speaker 6: there's a first an issue, a like issue of anything,
Speaker 6: I'm on it just to start it.
Speaker 5: And in my collecting mind is like.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this could be worth a million dollars. Also,
Speaker 6: but I was pretty only I was a huge X
Speaker 6: Men fan, huge Wolverine fan. Loves Spider Man because it
Speaker 6: felt like I know he wasn't, but like a Jewish
Speaker 6: kid from the bron I was like a Jewish kid
Speaker 6: from Riverdale.
Speaker 2: That's a recognize there is a large contingent of Superpera
Speaker 2: readers who would say Spider Man's Jewish. I think it's
Speaker 2: a It's a big, a big one, you know, with
Speaker 2: the creators who are involved. So I think that's an
Speaker 2: ongoing conversation.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 5: I also did. I also did run and Stimpy. I
Speaker 5: also I like there, I did, I did everything.
Speaker 6: My comic shop was called Alternate Realities on Central Avenue
Speaker 6: in Westchester, and I would just go there collect basketball,
Speaker 6: marble cards and click comics and then play the Jurassic
Speaker 6: Park pinol machine.
Speaker 5: It was like, my It's what I would do after
Speaker 5: our high school. It was the best.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, you have been outspoken in your desire
Speaker 1: to see a Plastic Man movie, Pitch.
Speaker 6: I've been so screwed this tour, this press tour. I
Speaker 6: feel like James Gunn is going to hate me.
Speaker 2: Now. I have to say. I have to say this
Speaker 2: is partially my fault because in twenty twenty one, me
Speaker 2: and you chatted about Flora and Ulysses, and because it
Speaker 2: was for Nerdist and it was about comics, I was like,
Speaker 2: what comic book characters would you like to play? And
Speaker 2: we ran a piece about how you had a plastic
Speaker 2: Man pitch. And every time I see that story come up,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, mate, it is.
Speaker 6: It is by far the superhero I want to be
Speaker 6: more than anything else. But I feel like it almost
Speaker 6: feels like the guy that like wears like the band's
Speaker 6: T shirt for the band. Like Now it's like, I
Speaker 6: feel so bad because I'm like so passionate about it,
Speaker 6: and I even pitched a plastic Man idea to that
Speaker 6: studio a very long time ago.
Speaker 5: I have so many ideas for what it is.
Speaker 6: But I feel like I want you your I started interrupted, Jason,
Speaker 6: I I like love that character, but ask your question,
Speaker 6: knowing now that I'm like so worried that every time
Speaker 6: this comes up to be like this guy won't shut
Speaker 6: up about but go go, I want to.
Speaker 5: Answer a question.
Speaker 1: What is it? I guess what is it about plastic
Speaker 1: Man that that resonates with you?
Speaker 6: So when I watched Deadpool for the Marvel universe, I
Speaker 6: thought plastic Man could be that for the DC universe.
Speaker 6: And when I think is fun is that plastic Man
Speaker 6: is a thief. Eli Brian is a thief, right, He
Speaker 6: even gets the superpowers while he's you know, around his
Speaker 6: you know, bad guys whatever, and they ditch him, which
Speaker 6: I is also in the original one, which is also
Speaker 6: something interesting. Even that group of people who are assholes
Speaker 6: don't like him. But I thought the fun of this
Speaker 6: character would be he gets powers, but he doesn't stop
Speaker 6: being a thief, and the course of the movie is
Speaker 6: people like he has to finally be convinced to use
Speaker 6: his powers for good. But I think he's so funny,
Speaker 6: and even in the cartoon versions he's funny. And then
Speaker 6: if you look at the new comics that Gail did, like,
Speaker 6: there's so much comedy in there. And I think your
Speaker 6: article then brought out Gail who was a writer for
Speaker 6: a Plastic Man, and she had said that she based
Speaker 6: some of the character off of me, and like parks
Speaker 6: and stuff like that or something like that. So it's
Speaker 6: like it's also like I don't look too I can
Speaker 6: kind of look like him too. I could look like
Speaker 6: deal too, So it's like I can never be thor
Speaker 6: I can never be like So it's like I can
Speaker 6: play with the skinny guy that stretches pretty good.
Speaker 5: So just the idea of it.
Speaker 6: Being funny, the idea of it being like almost meta
Speaker 6: because he kind of breaks that he does all that stuff,
Speaker 6: and also just you know, it feels like the mask
Speaker 6: almost a little bit too, like that Jim Carry flavor
Speaker 6: is like, I can really improve it, really go bananas
Speaker 6: in this type of movie and turn it special and funny.
Speaker 6: But I love the idea of a thief getting powers
Speaker 6: and it takes a whole film for him to be
Speaker 6: convinced to use.
Speaker 4: Them for good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Plastic Man is some of the most
Speaker 2: exciting kind of transgressive stories. Gail Simon's obviously incredible, Kyle
Speaker 2: Baker's Plastic Man is like one of my favorite cartooning exhibits.
Speaker 2: Do you have a dream like who would play your
Speaker 2: Woozy Winks? Who would be like your hapless sidekick?
Speaker 6: Well, what's the exact ethnicity of Woozy? And that's that
Speaker 6: stays constant do we know is it a specific thing?
Speaker 1: Is it you want?
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three. I think he's usually just a little
Speaker 2: white dude, but you can just pick whoever.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's white. I think Woozy's not white, right.
Speaker 6: It is the first Filipino Eugene Corderio character.
Speaker 2: In a Yeah, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I think Bobby would be amazing.
Speaker 6: If I don't know the ethnicity of Woozy because I
Speaker 6: know it's a little bit, but Bobby up morninghand would
Speaker 6: be amazing.
Speaker 5: Eugene would be amazing. There's there's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of different people that can play that role, but
Speaker 6: I would love some that I can bounce off of
Speaker 6: and we could, like, you know, find fun, gorgeous things.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and also the the idea that I think
Speaker 6: that Plastic Man essentially becomes a part of the Justice League.
Speaker 5: So it's like that character is so insane.
Speaker 6: In that world of like like all these like very
Speaker 6: straight laced characters that I would it would just be
Speaker 6: heaven for a comedian to play that type of role.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Eugene Cardero, he is jacked, absolutely whipped. You
Speaker 1: mentioned that, just busting out of his shirt every time
Speaker 1: I see him, the guy is getting bigger and bigger, bigger.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that you know you had to you
Speaker 1: had to get in the iron church and start praying
Speaker 1: to the to the to the weights for this role.
Speaker 1: Can you describe the workout regimen for Renfield?
Speaker 6: Yes, it was very small. I had to be strong
Speaker 6: enough to hold two guns this way. No, I cut
Speaker 6: down a little a little weight and then I turned
Speaker 6: a little into the thing. And by the way, I
Speaker 6: needed it because to do these stunts, to do them
Speaker 6: over and over again, and like I played basketball, but
Speaker 6: you know, it's like I don't have like my muscle
Speaker 6: strength is not where it should be.
Speaker 5: And no joke.
Speaker 6: The first couple of days of doing tests with these guns,
Speaker 6: they were like these gold guns, almost reminiscent of like
Speaker 6: face off, like Caser Troy guns. And I have a
Speaker 6: scene where I stick up Aquafina and I put the
Speaker 6: gun near her head and I hold it for like
Speaker 6: a good minute and a half. I do this monologue.
Speaker 6: The monologu has been cut down quite a bit, but
Speaker 6: it's like so the first like take where you're like,
Speaker 6: when I was like doing screen test stuff, I saw
Speaker 6: my hand like going like this because I just wasn't
Speaker 6: strong enough to hold these guns for that long. So
Speaker 6: my workout regimen was the Chris Brewster, who is the
Speaker 6: stunt guy, gave me like some workout stuff and it
Speaker 6: was mostly like wait, it wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 6: crazy stuff. It was like me getting in the hotel gym,
Speaker 6: me working out with free weights, me getting on some
Speaker 6: you know, just whatever and working out and it gave
Speaker 6: me enough to be able to do it, which was
Speaker 6: really exciting.
Speaker 5: And then it was so funny.
Speaker 6: The second I wrapped the fight scenes I was in
Speaker 6: New Orleans, I slowly gained weight for the rest of
Speaker 6: the movie, like you see my character like slowly gets
Speaker 6: bigger and bigger. The second I was done with all
Speaker 6: the parts that had to do with whatever, it was
Speaker 6: just I just kept eating and eating in that city.
Speaker 6: It's so hard not to It's so hard neat healthy
Speaker 6: in that city.
Speaker 2: Yeah, too much delicious food. So with this you kind
Speaker 2: of touched on it, but kind of this idea of
Speaker 2: like turning the idea of what a villain is and
Speaker 2: exploding it. How do you balance those moments like that
Speaker 2: moment in the club with Aquafina that's in the trailer way.
Speaker 2: You have that monologue, you still have to be menacing.
Speaker 2: How do you bring that balance of kind of unhinged
Speaker 2: scariness with all the comedy and kind of pathetic aspects
Speaker 2: that you bring into the character.
Speaker 6: That's a great question. It was something that Chris McKay
Speaker 6: was the director and I really thought about. That moment especially,
Speaker 6: was a big one. Even when I auditioned. He's like,
Speaker 6: I want to see in my head, I never killed
Speaker 6: somebody before. My character had never actually killed somebody. He's
Speaker 6: all talk. His whole thing is talking. He's just trying
Speaker 6: to impress his mom and his friends. So he has
Speaker 6: the gun Tako FINA's face, and then she's she says,
Speaker 6: do it shoot me? I don't think you'll do it,
Speaker 6: and like you see my gears start turning, like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, am I gonna have to actually do this?
Speaker 6: And we spent a bunch of time being like, how
Speaker 6: do we make this look real and watch this person
Speaker 6: flip from being this person just talks to actually somebody's
Speaker 6: gonna pull the trigger and so like we shot that
Speaker 6: scene for days and had such great, like dramatic moments.
Speaker 6: So for me too, there's a bunch of that scene
Speaker 6: that got cut where like I'm like doing bits with
Speaker 6: all the people, like I'm like intimidating everybody when I
Speaker 6: get in there. And then and then I finally get
Speaker 6: to her and have this really dramatic moment that was
Speaker 6: exactly what you said, where I'm juggling this big comedy
Speaker 6: and then Okay, now this moment, I have to be
Speaker 6: like serious and now this moment, I have.
Speaker 5: To be terrified that I'm gonna take some of his life.
Speaker 5: And we really played with that.
Speaker 6: We really tried to find those moments and try to
Speaker 6: make them real so you feel the character whenever they switch,
Speaker 6: like when I'm unhinged on drugs and then really zoned
Speaker 6: in and like, oh my god, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 5: It was really a fun part of the whole process.
Speaker 1: The action scenes are spectacular. Each one of them has
Speaker 1: its own particular hook which I really liked. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a strong Jackie Channel element here, and then the
Speaker 1: end fight is really exciting. Tell us about doing fight scenes, it's.
Speaker 5: You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 6: So I did a show called The After Party right
Speaker 6: before this, and it was my episode was a musical episode.
Speaker 6: So I had to learn how to do choreography and
Speaker 6: sing and dance and everything. And I couldn't believe how
Speaker 6: strong the dancers were and how incredible they were. And
Speaker 6: they were like all superstars and regardless of genders or anything,
Speaker 6: they were like cute. They were like superheroes to me,
Speaker 6: and I had to learn how to do that. And
Speaker 6: so I went from that to this, and there's a
Speaker 6: lot of similarities, Like the to learn choreography was the
Speaker 6: first time I had learned like real like you know,
Speaker 6: me and Nichole for weeks beforehand, we go through our
Speaker 6: fights and you know, make sure we're not hurting each
Speaker 6: other and dada da, and it was really fun. And
Speaker 6: then I gained so much respect for the stunt team.
Speaker 6: I spent so much my time on my off time
Speaker 6: with that stunt team and Marvin Ross and all all
Speaker 6: those guys, and so it's like it's incredible and it's
Speaker 6: all a dance. It's all like if you know, if
Speaker 6: you're rhythmic and can do it. That's so like my
Speaker 6: stuff from the After Party really helped me for my
Speaker 6: stunt stuff here. But when I first started fighting, I
Speaker 6: would do like every kid.
Speaker 5: I would go like.
Speaker 6: The director had to tell me to stop making the
Speaker 6: noises like post because never in my life if I
Speaker 6: like play fighter with someone and not pretended, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was so was very funny to get that note
Speaker 5: from the.
Speaker 6: Stunt director and the stunt guy's being like, you don't
Speaker 6: stop stop moving your mouth when you're.
Speaker 5: I was sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Michelle Yo. She was actually a dancer
Speaker 2: before she became a martial artist, before she was in
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 5: She is so inspiringly incredible.
Speaker 2: Icon Were there any action movie or particular fight scenes
Speaker 2: or anything that people directed you to or that you
Speaker 2: revisited as you are prep in for this, because it
Speaker 2: is like it's an action movie, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people won't know that till they go and
Speaker 2: see it in the theater.
Speaker 5: And also the action is like superhero action, where like,
Speaker 5: you know, we get superpowers and I'm on wires and
Speaker 5: being thrown all over the place and being flung in
Speaker 5: the air and.
Speaker 2: So people's limbs are getting torn off and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the best being used as dumb chucks. The
Speaker 6: I didn't watch it for the action stuff. I do
Speaker 6: love my John Wick series. I haven't seen the filth movie.
Speaker 6: I do love I do love a John Wick movie.
Speaker 6: But I mean I grew up, Me and my dad watched,
Speaker 6: you know, every action movie in the universe we watched together,
Speaker 6: so uh, nothing that prepared the ones. The movies that
Speaker 6: I watched prepare for the role were Good Fellas, Donny Brasco,
Speaker 6: Mean Streets, And then I thought, my character had those
Speaker 6: posters on his wall, but my character could never.
Speaker 5: Be those guys, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, he had.
Speaker 6: Those posters on his wall, and he wants to be
Speaker 6: like them, but he's just he could never. He just
Speaker 6: doesn't have it in him to be in So that's
Speaker 6: kind of of those things he aspired to be those guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, what I love about this movie is that it
Speaker 1: is First of all, it's fast paced. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the action sees are wonderful. It has a story. We
Speaker 1: were talking about this in the group chatter. I can't
Speaker 1: I legitimately cannot remember the last movie that dealt with
Speaker 1: a man in an abusive relationship before, which is a
Speaker 1: thing that is under talked about. And I can't remember
Speaker 1: the last movie that devil this. This deals with it
Speaker 1: in a really fun and cathartic way and it's really funny.
Speaker 1: Was that how much of that was evident when you
Speaker 1: were pitched this project when you started going out.
Speaker 6: The script was amazing Ryan Ridley, Robert Kirkman, who did
Speaker 6: Walking Dead and by the way, Invincible if you guys
Speaker 6: love comedy, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And the TV show is just unbelievably good.
Speaker 6: But he thought the idea Kirkman then he gave it
Speaker 6: to Ryan Redley wrote for the first bunch of seasons
Speaker 6: of Rick and Morty. The script was amazing, and the
Speaker 6: script had all that stuff in there, and it also
Speaker 6: is kind of like inspiring for someone who wants to
Speaker 6: get out of a toxic relationship to someone who is
Speaker 6: like their boss at work, is like they can't get
Speaker 6: out of their job and they just don't have they
Speaker 6: don't have they don't have the confidence in themselves to
Speaker 6: break free because you know, the negative and the failure
Speaker 6: is so scary. So all that stuff was evident in there.
Speaker 6: But the script was the reason why I wanted to
Speaker 6: do it was I never got to play villain before
Speaker 6: in my life. I've never gotten to do these fight scenes.
Speaker 6: I remember talking to my agent because I at the
Speaker 6: time when after auditioned, I got lucky and I had
Speaker 6: two offers at the same time, and I had to
Speaker 6: choose what to do this or something else. And my
Speaker 6: agent's like, you're always going to be able to play
Speaker 6: this nebishy Jewish character.
Speaker 5: You're very villain of a studio film, Ben.
Speaker 6: And I was like, you're right, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 6: And it was just so clear that It's like, I
Speaker 6: had so much fun doing it. For the reasons why
Speaker 6: I never get to play those characters, but all that
Speaker 6: stuff was definitely evident in there, and I think it's
Speaker 6: what makes movies good. You know, when you have something
Speaker 6: to bite onto for any of your characters, that's when
Speaker 6: it's like the most exciting. If you're just seen fighting fighting, fighting,
Speaker 6: it's you're gonna get bored. But if you know, even
Speaker 6: when we're watching Marvel movies or DC movies, if it's
Speaker 6: just a series of set pieces with nothing in between,
Speaker 6: you don't care about what happens. But if you make
Speaker 6: you care about the characters, and you see that Nicholet
Speaker 6: is trying to break free, and you see that Dracta
Speaker 6: is kind of petty, also, that's like, yeah, you're like
Speaker 6: you're like kind of like getting invested in all of it.
Speaker 6: So I think it's so necessary and I think Ryan
Speaker 6: really crushed it. The script, the original version of the
Speaker 6: script that I read was one of the better scripts
Speaker 6: I've read in a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really comes true. It's so funny, it's surprisingly
Speaker 2: sweet while also featuring people being like lambasted with you know,
Speaker 2: broken limbs. So the other thing I think is really
Speaker 2: cool about this, even though you know it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: being presented this way, this is essentially like a universal
Speaker 2: monster movie, and we haven't had one of those.
Speaker 1: For a while.
Speaker 2: The last one we had was Lee one on Invisible Man,
Speaker 2: which is like such a different movie.
Speaker 5: I thought they crushed that movie.
Speaker 1: So good relationship, Yeah, really watching that.
Speaker 6: I remember watching that movie and there was a scene
Speaker 6: where it was just a blank. It was like a
Speaker 6: scene where the director was like kind of like filming
Speaker 6: near the ceiling or something like that, and there's nothing
Speaker 6: on camera, and I remember being terrified. I wrote down
Speaker 6: in a notebook how I couldn't believe how literally nothing
Speaker 6: like you think of that day they literally put a
Speaker 6: camera that press record and the weight of that scene
Speaker 6: was so scary to me and so intense. I was
Speaker 6: really inspired by that, I wrote in a notepad, like
Speaker 6: they remember this, Remember that you can cause drama just
Speaker 6: by like you don't need things happening all the time.
Speaker 5: I thought that was really beautifully done that movie. Sorry,
Speaker 5: yes you said that.
Speaker 2: Every suggestion it's so powerful. Well, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 2: what's it like to then get to create a character,
Speaker 2: to get this brilliant script that's in this iconic world
Speaker 2: that goes back, you know, one hundred years, that has
Speaker 2: people like Bela Lagosi, like pure icons, Boris Karloff, And
Speaker 2: then to get to create a new character in there
Speaker 2: and be alongside Dracula, one of the most iconic you
Speaker 2: know monsters movie monsters of all time.
Speaker 6: It's when I have my scenes with Draculine when he like,
Speaker 6: I don't even know if it's in the movie, but
Speaker 6: like when he like comes after me and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: it's like two, it's so exciting. It's so exciting because
Speaker 6: you know about where they shot these movies. You know,
Speaker 6: how long do they shot these movies? You know, Bram Stoker,
Speaker 6: you know all these things, you know Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 2: So it's like.
Speaker 6: It's like to be a part of the legacy and
Speaker 6: then to create something new that could essentially now is
Speaker 6: like cannon, as we say in our dirty words.
Speaker 5: So it's like that is like it's so it's so exciting.
Speaker 6: And then technically, no matter what happens to my character,
Speaker 6: this character now exists in the universe all these other
Speaker 6: joy Yeah, and it's a brand new character, which is like,
Speaker 6: you know, so it's very very exciting. It's ah for
Speaker 6: someone who really respects this stuff, it's I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, final final question. It's and it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a nuts and bolts question for me. Does the
Speaker 1: size of the bug matter? Because Landfield's eating like little
Speaker 1: spiders and some ants and stuff and and at the
Speaker 1: end you snort like a centipede that's like eight inches long, dude,
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that the bigger the bug, the
Speaker 1: bigger the powers. What are you what? How did you
Speaker 1: what's the receive that? Yeah? What did you think about that?
Speaker 6: This is a great question. I only ate one bug.
Speaker 6: He eats a series of different bugs. Now is it
Speaker 6: the hard is it the blood from the bug? Is it?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 5: What is it that's really fueling him?
Speaker 6: You don't really know, but uh, I love that It's
Speaker 6: like my character starts, oh my god in that scene.
Speaker 5: They cut at the beginning of that scene.
Speaker 6: But that scene, at my very first scene where you
Speaker 6: see me in the car and I do coke, you,
Speaker 6: it was a whole scene before that, where I'm talking
Speaker 6: to my daughter and putting her to sleep while I'm
Speaker 6: doing coke and.
Speaker 5: Doing this child.
Speaker 6: That's how the move. That's how my character is. Like
Speaker 6: Entrance was in this and we did like I mean,
Speaker 6: I improvised forever on that. But I love that my
Speaker 6: character is mirrored that. The first time you see me
Speaker 6: storts coc and then when he gets to be this
Speaker 6: superpowered guy, he snorts the millipede in the same way.
Speaker 6: I would say that the bigger the bug, I said,
Speaker 6: the more mass, the better. That's why he's constantly.
Speaker 5: That's where it goes.
Speaker 2: The power grows.
Speaker 6: I think I figure out like a spinach, if Popeye
Speaker 6: ate African of Spinach, would he be half as strong
Speaker 6: or would he still be as strong?
Speaker 5: Did you have the power the whole thing? Out right?
Speaker 2: Important questions?
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Well, listen, go see
Speaker 1: Renfield April fourteenth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go see Renfield is total joy and James Gunn
Speaker 2: make that Plastic Man movie.
Speaker 1: Ben Schwartz, thank you so much, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 5: Go Nicks, Oh my god, go Nicks. Absolutely go next everybody.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Ben Schwartz for peering up dex nerd out.
Speaker 2: In today's not Out, where you tell us what you
Speaker 2: love them, why, or a theory that you're excited to share.
Speaker 2: Mike posits the latter, a theory about the inspiration behind
Speaker 2: Mandalorian chapter twenty two Guns for Hire. And this is
Speaker 2: very unique. I've not heard this theory before, but it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Jason, I'll allow you to
Speaker 2: do the honors.
Speaker 1: Sure, uh, Jason and Rosie. The entire setting of Plazi
Speaker 1: or fifteen reeked of the show making fun of disney
Speaker 1: World and Disneyland. The domes are very epcotesque, that is true,
Speaker 1: the monorail, all of the people focusing on leisure and
Speaker 1: not working, Dinbow being presented with a ceremony and key
Speaker 1: to the city, and Grogu getting knighted at the end,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. All of this seemed like a
Speaker 1: play on the over the top experiences that people can
Speaker 1: have at a Disney park, which Mike professes to be
Speaker 1: a very ardent admirer of the magic of disney parks,
Speaker 1: and this is I think this is pretty interesting actually,
Speaker 1: the way the monorail speaks and everything too.
Speaker 2: I hadn't yeah together considered it, but it's really interesting,
Speaker 2: especially like myke he points out, this could be kind
Speaker 2: of like a satire. It's not like some cruel mockery,
Speaker 2: but it's because the mocking it everything fun of Disneyland
Speaker 2: and kind of certainly.
Speaker 1: Everybody who is staying on Plazia fifteen is absolutely loving life.
Speaker 2: This would also make a lot of sense because it's
Speaker 2: kind of a nice fun rebuttal slash knowing wink to
Speaker 2: how much the Star Wars TV shows have actually been
Speaker 2: about promoting the Disneyland Yeah park, you know, the really
Speaker 2: fun Star Wars Disneyland park that they built. There's been
Speaker 2: a lot of direct tie ins in the Star Wars
Speaker 2: shows to that new location. So it's kind of fun
Speaker 2: to imagine that this is them sort of going not
Speaker 2: nod wink wink, like my Disneyland's kind of an evil
Speaker 2: like leisure planet. Like, it's a lot of fun. I
Speaker 2: love this reading.
Speaker 1: I'm running with this and the fact that, like we
Speaker 1: didn't I've not heard this before, So first of all, Mike,
Speaker 1: kudos for a really really original, so unique.
Speaker 2: I had not seen anyone do this real.
Speaker 1: It's so fun, and it leads me to believe that
Speaker 1: if this indeed is the subtext, right, I bet you
Speaker 1: no one caught it on the way out, like part
Speaker 1: of the reason why I think this would gotten exactly
Speaker 1: nobody caught it. And and of course it also does
Speaker 1: portray like if indeed it is a metaphor for Disneyland
Speaker 1: disney World, it portrays it it largely a really really
Speaker 1: great light. I mean again, like everybody's just like living
Speaker 1: and shopping and eating well without a care in the world.
Speaker 1: All of their you know, needs taken care of by
Speaker 1: various droid servants. Like it's yeah, fun.
Speaker 2: I kind of like Mike also makes the point that
Speaker 2: like he's like, I'm not, he's not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: sure where they resist the bar stands in that, But
Speaker 2: there is also an argument for the idea that for
Speaker 2: you to have fun at Disneyland, a ton of people
Speaker 2: have to work jobs that you don't have to do
Speaker 2: so you can enjoy it. And I think that's also
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting aspect of it. The droid aspects
Speaker 2: also fun because the Disney the nature of Disney is
Speaker 2: there's all these kind of almost like five Nights at
Speaker 2: Freddie's folklore about the animatronics and the kind of spookiness
Speaker 2: of Disney parks, and I like that that leans into it.
Speaker 2: I just think this is such a cool, fun read.
Speaker 2: And I mean all of this stuff constantly feeds off
Speaker 2: each other, the parks, the movies, the comics, the TV shows,
Speaker 2: the storytelling, the creators who are involved in it, so
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense that they could be
Speaker 2: having fun. I mean, even when you think about it,
Speaker 2: even the way that like Lizzo and Jack Black are
Speaker 2: dressed really feels like it sells into this Lizo's kind
Speaker 2: of this Disney Princess in deep Space.
Speaker 1: One more wrinkle to add to this that supports Mike's theory,
Speaker 1: disney Land disney World is a noted hire of many
Speaker 1: older and retired cast members who work at the parks
Speaker 1: to augment their their fixed income. And that is absolutely
Speaker 1: in line with the Droids, who are concerned about.
Speaker 2: Like that they're going to be replaced all.
Speaker 1: Their models here, and we don't want to be replaced,
Speaker 1: like we want to still want to be useful. So
Speaker 1: there that's another That's another little piece that I think
Speaker 1: supports Mike's assertion. This is very very interesting, Mike Man, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much. That was such a great theory.
Speaker 1: That was a great one. If you have series of
Speaker 1: passions you want to share, hit us up at x
Speaker 1: ray at crooked dot com. Instructions are in these show notes. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it for us. Big thank you to Ben Schwartz.
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Speaker 1: That's it for us. See you next time. Hey, Mike,
Speaker 1: this is his notthan marine. Yeah, we'll talk about thrown today.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knows about me, Mike, but
Speaker 1: part of the reason I might be la cost so
Speaker 1: much is I got laid off. I got laid off
Speaker 1: from my Imperial pipe fitting job. They just laid me off,
Speaker 1: no warning at all, no benefits, nothing. I'm just out
Speaker 1: on my ass listening to the radio all the time.
Speaker 1: But I want to say one thing about the hypocrisy here, Mike,
Speaker 1: because Grand Admiral thron Where is he? Where is this guy?
Speaker 1: No one knows, and yet no one's talking about coming
Speaker 1: for his job. Apparently people are still willing to follow
Speaker 1: him into the next war or whatever is going on.
Speaker 1: They're they'll paying his salary. I get laid off. No
Speaker 1: one says anything to me. I don't hear anything. I
Speaker 1: don't hear from anybody. Grandmairal Throng disappears for months and
Speaker 1: years at a time. Nobody knows where this guy is,
Speaker 1: and they're still willing to follow him and still willing
Speaker 1: to hold his job for him. Where is the bike?
Speaker 1: I'll take my ants off the head, thank you,