WEBVTT - Star Wars: The Mandalorian S3 Ep 7 + Renfield w/ Ben Schwartz 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.719 Worrying. This podcast can hate spoilers for season three episodes 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.640 seven of The Mandalorian and the movie Renfield out now 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:25.920 in theaters. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.760 Rosey Knight, and welcome to x ray Vision, the crooked 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.880 media podcast where we dived ee to your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:34.120 comics and pop culture. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.519 In this episode, it's a packed previously on some of 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.920 the Star Wars celebration news, Boom Boom boom, movies, TV everything, 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.839 and a breakdown of the Marvels trailer in the airlock. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.640 It's season three, episode seven of The Mandalorian in place 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.760 you haven't been star Wars out by the Star Wars celebration, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.120 It's happening in the hive mind. Just absolutely delightful chat 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.760 with actor and comedian Ben Schwartz to discuss Renfield, Starry, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:04.040 Nicholas Halt, and Nick Kay Jurracula at you. Very delightful 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.880 and quite profound in some ways and in nod doubt 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.920 we have a theory for Mike on the Mandaloria. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:16.479 Let's go coming up previously on first up, let's talk 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.039 about the some of the big news coming out of 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.480 Star Wars celebration, and I think the headline for me 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.839 at least is going back to the movies. Three big 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:33.240 movie project announcements no titles as yet, but the attached 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.360 directors and then kind of what the movie is about 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:41.320 were announced. We have a James man Goold project that 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.760 we'll talk about basically the First Jedi, the First Connection 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.280 with the Force, the Dawn of the Jedi. We have 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.040 Dave Feloni's project, which will wrap up all of his 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.680 New Republic projects in a live action film. This is 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.000 I guess, our chance to see Grogu and Din and 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.440 the rest on the big screen. And then Miss Marvel 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:08.880 director Charmine obiad Chenoi will direct the sequel to the 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.200 Ray Saga. Ray is coming back. We would assume Finn 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.000 is coming back as well. We're going to find out 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.440 what she's been up to, and what she's been up 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.520 to is training the next generation of Jedi. Does that 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.920 mean we find out Finn is fourth sensitive? 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.280 I say yes, now correct, I mean he is. Let's 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:33.480 be real, these. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.280 All sound really great. We were we were talking in 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.600 the in the prefro, what of these three? How many 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:39.080 get made? 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.799 Okay? I am of the belief looking at recent past, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.400 and the the success of announced lucasfilm movies making it 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.600 to screen. My God says, I would bet that one 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.640 of these one hundred percent makes it to screen, and 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:54.919 I think it's the Ray movie. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:55.560 I agree. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.000 I hope is a Ray and Finn and Poe movie. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.800 You know, that's the tree that I care about. I 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.639 think that the Feloney movie is second most likely, agreed, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.400 because people love the Mandalorian Grogu is very toyetic. You 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.440 can make a lot of money from selling toys from him, 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:17.120 and Rebels has gained a true rotty following. Yeah, and 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.600 with the Soca coming, I think that one seems quite likely. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.440 I just the slight doubt I have is how likely 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.960 is it for us to see something in the Star 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.080 Wars world make that big leap from TV to film 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.400 rather than film to TV. I would love to see it, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.840 but I think it's quite ambitious least likely. But the 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.640 one I would want to see most is this like 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.680 biblical epic twenty five thousand years before the Star Wars 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.880 sus Skywalker saga, James Mangold, like Beginning of the Force. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.880 I just think it's it's too huge. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:50.160 It's just huge. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.320 It's too huge. I would love, Like, do I want 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.200 to see like a you know, Lawrence of Arabia style 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:56.760 Star Wars movie? Absolutely? 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.880 Yes, absolutely? 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:03.240 Is it likely that probably not? That's my feeling right 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.400 there with you. I think you read is exactly right. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:12.120 I put the Filony movie at something like a coin flip. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:16.080 Obviously this is not science, but you know, depending on 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:22.000 how the reception for a Mando and for Ah Soca goes, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.960 I could see them flipping that cachet into a big 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.960 movie project. That would be pretty cool. And I think, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.159 but I agree with you, it feels like just too 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.000 huge a swing for what has been I think a 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:47.080 historically conservative movie project space for Star Wars. Like maybe 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.359 they've changed their tune, but what we've seen from the 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.400 last few Star Wars movies, not counting Rogue one, has 0:04:54.520 --> 0:05:02.839 been a real kind of a real kind of aversion 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.839 to kind of breaking the mold or doing anything big. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.000 And this would be this is as big as it gets. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.080 I mean, you're talking about setting a movie like twenty 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.200 one thousand years before Nights of the Old Republic, Like 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.000 this is so much further back than anything that we've 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.120 ever seen. It's such a cool idea, But what we've 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.919 seen from the Star Wars TV shows especially, I feel 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.800 like less so in the movies, though I wish they'd 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.920 have done it more. We've seen them taking very selectively 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:37.279 from established pre Disney canon like legends and making it 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.200 canon again. In the Disney world. This would be James Mangold, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.760 who I love, I mean logan, he's obviously and with 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.080 Disney he's doing this Indiana Jones and the Dial of 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.240 Destiny yep film. You know, this would be basically giving 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:55.120 him carte blanche to create an entirely new era of 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.320 Star Wars, which I think is very exciting but slightly 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.120 unlikely unless perhaps we end up in a kind of 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:07.279 High Republic esque situation where they used a new set 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.440 of authors and books and comics to kind of establish 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:11.880 the work. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.240 Because I could see that that could. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.599 Maybe happen, because basically one of the as we'll get 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.760 into in a little bit with the TV stuff, we 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.920 are now seeing them start to pull from the High 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.960 Republic which they established in those books. So maybe, but 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.400 I definitely think that's our that's our long shot, even 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.160 though I would absolutely love to see it. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:35.400 Also, the risk, I think is it's hard to kind 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.320 of overstate. I think the risk. Recall the uproar when 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.880 Midichlorians appeared in the scene as a you know, the 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.359 first kind of real fleshing out of the underpinnings of 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:53.279 the Force, and people didn't like it. And I and 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.800 you know, the Force is this kind of like mysterious 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.720 connective tissue that runs through the galaxy and the universe. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.920 There's something fascinating and intriguing about the mystery behind it and. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.040 So tismatic and etherol. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.520 And yeah, and so to really kind of pin it 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.160 down and define it in this way is high risk, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.960 high reward. I would love, I would fucking love to 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.000 see it, but my guess is that they pull back 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:24.040 from actually doing this. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.080 Also does hypothetically if this is their same biblical epic 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:29.920 you're talking about, the first person to ever use the Force? 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.160 Is this like a Jesus situation? Is this like an 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.960 actual space Jesus like the first person to use the force? 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.360 Gains are following? Are we going to see the I 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.920 think that it's so much fun to imagine it because 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.480 it is so huge, But like you say, what does 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.440 that do to the thousands of years of cannon that 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.600 comes after it? Like when do you use. What are 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.440 these two alignments? When does it split between the dark 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.000 Side and the Light side? Do you have to bring 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.560 back gray Jedi which have been decanonized in a very 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.760 serious way. I think it's it's so huge, but it's 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.880 very very exciting to imagine it, and I would love 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.080 if the movie doesn't get made, I'll definitely be seeking 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.840 out that script absolutely its to come. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.360 And what I think is really the other thing that 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.640 I think is really really cool about these announced projects 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.320 is you've basically gone to the very beginning and the 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.400 very end. You've pushed out the latest that we've ever 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.000 gone in Star Wars. We're going the Ray project is 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.800 going to be, according Kathleen Kennedy, fifteen years out from 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:33.320 Rise of Skywalker, post War First Order, she says, in 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.280 the Jedire in Disarray. So that's as late as we've 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.600 been in Star Wars, the furthest Out and then the 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.520 furthest Back. If they end up making this movie that 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.080 we've ever seen in the Star Wars universe, would be 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.600 this twenty five thousand years before the Skywalker Soga, before 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:56.200 the First Republic, before all of everything we know. So 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.080 that part of it is really intriguing to kind of 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.720 push the edges is of the timeline out as far 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.720 as it's ever been. That part of it is cool. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.280 Up next to the Ahsoka trailer, I'm in. I mean 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:09.960 it looks great. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.000 I mean we would we were deeply targeted by this. Yeah. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:19.480 Yeah, it looks fantastic. The casting looks amazing, the you know, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:25.520 building off what we've seen from and or from the Mandalorian, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.400 it looks movie quality. The trailer looks you know, the 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.800 practical effects plus the makeup look amazing. I was so 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.560 tough to see. Uh, my Star Wars wife Harrison Doula 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.599 and our good friend Chopper, one of the one of 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:46.400 the greatest mass murderers in Star Wars history. Yeah, Era, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.120 it looks freaking It looks freaking great. There's a lot 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:50.800 cat there. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.480 It looks my gosh, yeah, multiple lofts love to see them. Also, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.160 I think that they're having a lot of fun in 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.520 this trailer, not only showing us who's coming back, but 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.360 also like only showing Ezra Vira hologram. So you kind 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.880 of don't really know. But the fact that we are 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.760 confirmed now to get live action thron which is huge 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.280 and obviously for the first time. This is doing what 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.920 we always wanted. When they would announce something for the MCU, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.760 we would expect that the TV shows would immediately tie in. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.040 That never really came across, like Spider Man at the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.400 end of Hawkeye and those kind of things that people 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.719 wondered if they were going to do to tie these 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.640 worlds together. We get the Las Michelson announcement. He's going 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.320 to be coming back. He's going to be playing Thrown 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.559 in live action. We see the back of his head 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.400 in this trailer, and then as we will get into 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.880 this episode of the Mandalorian immediately ties into that. You know, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.640 this is that kind of connective tissue we always wanted. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.280 And with Thrawn being a major part, then we know 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.880 that we're going to see Ezra irl but they're having 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.800 fun with this kind of like he's only on the 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:52.160 hologram is it? Where is he? It's very mysterious, very awesome. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.400 I love Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Hero. That's super fun, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.000 what great casting. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.720 Absolutely cast and now we have husband and wife in 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:00.880 the Wars universe. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:07.760 Yeah, I where do you think Ezra and Thron are 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.000 and how much and how much of this, how much 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.800 of the upcoming Ahsoka season is the search for Ezra 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.600 and how do they find him? 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.640 You think? I think that Ezra search is going to 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.319 be a key part of the mystery. I think Ezra 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.080 and Thorn are somewhere on the outer Rim. That's generally 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 like my feeling of where Thorn has been. And I 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.080 feel like with this stuff we're seeing in the Mandalorian 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.800 is probably tying into that. What has Thorn been up to? 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.080 That's the big question, And that's kind of something again 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.120 that we get into in the Mandalorian, like what is 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.320 his plan? What is his scheme? And how is he 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.480 going to play into the future of what we see. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.160 I mean, I'm so excited to see live action Ezra. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.120 I love him so much. Okay, this is a question 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.600 I have for you because one of the things I 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.800 immediately thought about, so I love Rebels, obviously you love Rebels. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.719 The end of Rebels was like so crazy because they 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.240 gave us not only like one of the best final 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 couple of episodes all time, but when we get that 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.160 skip forward to see where everyone is, we meet here 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.600 as kid you know who's named after Luke Skywalker's kid 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.200 from Legends, Jason, and that was like this huge thing, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.440 this huge moment, right, I was like, are we going 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.520 to see the kids? But when do you think this 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.600 takes place? Because I think there's been a lot of 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.559 conversation of is this between the end of what we 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.480 saw in Rebels and that's where we meet them in 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.640 the skip forward? Is it in between that time? Is 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.200 it after that time? Whereabouts do you think it's going 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:31.880 to take place. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:40.040 I think it's going to take place like before the 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:48.920 skip forward, while the rebellion is still happening, and or 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.959 maybe even just brewing. Like I think it's going to 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.880 be very close to and Or. I think it's going 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.520 to be close in time too when and Or happened. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.679 But I don't think it's gonna be I don't. I 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.480 don't think it's going to be after the skip forward. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.760 I think that's just in between you which I think. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.800 I think you're right. I would love to see the 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.160 skip forward life because I love the idea of seeing 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.920 the kids and but the truth is that it makes 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.720 a lot of sense from what we know and what 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.520 we saw at the end of Rebels that this essentially 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.280 acts as almost like a expansion. It's a nice inversion 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.240 of what we're used to with the animated series, where 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.800 the animated series builds out what we've seen in live action. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.160 I like the idea that this is a huge expansion 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.880 of this tiny moment that we got in the animated series. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.400 It looks so good. I can't even it's just kind 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.199 of mind playing. I think. Also, I think that you're 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.080 absolutely right. If this show blows up and becomes the 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.880 biggest Disney Plus show of all time or in a 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.480 long time since one division, whatever the biggest one is, 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.000 then I think that Felony show becomes a near certainty. Yeah, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.040 so I think you're absolutely right. I think those two 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.360 things are directly connected. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.120 One more thing about the timeline. You know, one of 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.240 the things that these projects, you know, one of the 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.160 Jenga obstacles that these projects kind of have to thread 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.160 is you know, why wasn't Ahska at the battle? 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:11.520 Yeah? 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.559 Then why wasn't where we're dinning Grogu during X y 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:21.720 Z fight? And I think that to me is you 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.680 can really kind of solve that with this show and 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.440 show that like, oh, Soca was tied up doing whatever, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:29.040 that's why. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.640 Yeah, even like World Beyond Wild, you know, you want 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.880 to get into that kind of strange more mystical side 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.720 of the force that Sabine and everyone from Rebels is 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.200 a little bit more aligned to. It's a lot easier 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.000 to argue why they weren't necessarily involved in like a 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.119 military rebellion. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:51.160 Next up The Acolyte. They showed footage from this, but 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.240 no footage yet has come out publicly. They also did 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.080 that for and Or, but that was apparently just kind 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.720 of like a sizzle reel. So the Acolyte is this 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.360 is our High Republic, Yes show, one hundred years before 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.960 the Phantom Menace, created by Leslie Headland of Russian Dolphame 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:13.040 and it's a star so cast including Amandla Stenberg, Lee Jung, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:20.720 Jay Man Agacinto and more. This is super exciting and 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.760 I'm sure fans of the High Republic books and comics 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.640 are going to be pretty soaked. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.760 Yeah, I think that they They definitely actually bought in 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.960 Vanessa Rowe, who was from the High Republic novels. They 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.960 announced that Rebecca Henderson would be playing her. We got 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.240 Junas who took over playing Chewbacca from Peter Mayhew. He's 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.280 getting to create a new Wookie Jedi, which is really cool. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.120 And also this is going to be our first time 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.600 with a movie or a TV show that is directly 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.400 focused on a true villain, even though obviously there are 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.880 some movies like the Prequels. You could argue that all 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.080 of Star Wars and the Prequels is about Darth Vader, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.760 but you know they each have their heroes. This is 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:05.960 going to be about a young Sith acolyte who is 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.400 played by Amandler Steenberg and Leslie Headlam pitched it to 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.240 lucasfilm as Frozen meets kill Bill, and the idea is 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.480 it's kind of this like the how under the Frozen 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.560 aspect comes from this idea of you think this person 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.960 is the villain, but here is their story, and the 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.640 kill Bill aspect is because it's going to be like 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.280 a badass revenge story. But what I thought was really 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.200 interesting is Leslie said, this is the Sith when they 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:34.920 are just the ultimate underdogs. This is a time when 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.680 the Jedi is ruling everything. Everything is Jedi Jedi, Jedi 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.880 High Republic, Utopian state. So if you are a Dark 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.200 Side Force user, if you are a Sith, you are 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:50.400 like a non citizen. You don't really exist. So that 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.120 was kind of the intrigue that she laid out there. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.240 I mean, Russian Doll's one of the best TV shows 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.560 I've seen in a long time, with the incredible obviously 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.480 Natasha Leone who we be love so and it's really 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.359 subversive and weird and twisty, and it totally turns the 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.640 time loop on its head. So the fact they're letting 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.280 Leslie do one of these shows and it has, like 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.760 you said, these squid game stuff. Daph Nick Keane has 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.560 s X twenty three in it. You know, this is 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.120 just like Jody Turner smith Icon, like so many good 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.760 carry Anne Moss playing a Jedi. I guess that kind 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.199 of seemed to leak from what they'd said, from the 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.960 what they'd shown at the the show. It just looks 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.560 and sounds very very cool, and I would love to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.920 see it. Like, I'm not a sith apologist. I don't 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.240 feel like Leslie's gonna do some like you should feel 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.159 sorry for the Sith, but I will always want to 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.439 see a different side. I would love to see this 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:38.400 world that we love. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.080 I will say that the way it was described felt 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.680 a little bit like it's your fault. I'm the Sith, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.280 you know what I mean, Like the Jedi, why are 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.560 you making me use the dark side, don't. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.359 I will say that the Frozen comparison does make you 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.920 think that's a story about the ice creen. You know, 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.480 this traditional villain, so you wonder, like, what could that 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.520 argument be. It'll be very interesting to see. This is 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.840 one hundred years, like you said before the Phantom Menace, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.880 so the politics and things that drove the Sith could 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.640 arguably be established to be very different. We could learn 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.159 very different things. But yeah, I'm interested to see it. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.760 I'm sure it's going to be really cool and great 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.960 and probably totally upend whatever we're expecting it to be. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.480 But I'm ready for them to release that footage because 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:23.159 i want to see it. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.800 Switching universes now, the Marvel's True were dropped hitting theaters 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.800 every tenth twenty twenty three. Here is our first Marvel 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:39.520 project that is unambiguously launched by the television offerings of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:45.320 the MCU, starring Breed Larcen as Captain Marvel, Imon Vallani 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.439 as Kamela Khan, Tina paris Is, Monica Rambo, and Sam MUELLL. L. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:55.680 Jackson returns as our friend Nick Fury. New villain Darben 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:01.160 by Zali Ashton, one of the weirder minor Avengers villains. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:05.800 You're really getting into that joyous space here that we've 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.000 talked about many times before. This is a character who 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.440 has two appearances. This is the classic. But I will 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.399 say I am Look the trailer looks so cute. I 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.800 was loving it. I was slightly nervous about this one, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800 but it came out looking beautiful, look great, It looks gorgeous. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.680 I definitely think that they have strayed. I think originally 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.400 this was meant to have more of an ant Man 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.800 color palette from all the marketing that they did, and 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.199 I feel like they've strayed from that. I think this 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.280 looks so cute. I love Kamala, I love the interactions 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.440 they're having, the Rick Jones kind of body switching freaking 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.560 Friday which we saw teased at the end of Miss Marvel. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.959 But all of that is to say, I do need 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.560 to talk about dart Ben because there's two appearances. Plas, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.480 please look this is the truth. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:45.800 Yeah. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.240 Zahweh, who's absolutely stunning British actor in this unbelievable film 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.120 called Dreams of a Life Theater Icon just wonderful. This 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.199 is a character who's a cree only had a couple appearances, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.880 but and I might be getting carried away, but this 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.800 is a very specific character and the appearances are very important. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.760 In their first appearance, they debuted in an Infinity one, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.960 the crossover issue from nineteen ninety one that was called 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.320 there was Silver Surfer fifty three. So first of all, 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.439 there's a Silver Surfer connection. They established this which I 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.359 think could come into play in this film, which is 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.560 it's this Pink and Blue Cree war, which is this 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.520 idea that there's two different kinds of Cree, basically human 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.399 looking Cree like Captain Marvel and Blue Cree who you 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.280 have seen in Ronan the Accuser, And there's this it's 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.600 like a kind of clunky recurring part of Cree law. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.160 But in this comic, dar Ben teams up with ale Dan, 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.000 who is a Blue, and they decide they're going to 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.879 do a coup of the Cree and become the joint 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.000 kind of force to rule Cree for the good, and 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:54.680 they're going to bring the Pinks and the Blues together. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.720 How do they do this in this issue? In the 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:01.800 debut issue, they use the Silver Surfer too. Urder, basically 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.520 the person that the Supreme Intelligence had put in place 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.720 as a Cree leader. So are we going to see 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.159 Silver Surfer in this movie? Probably not, but that is 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.160 a direct Silver Surfer connection. And interestingly, they don't actually 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.480 really use the Silver Surfer. They use a robot of 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.199 the Silver Surfer. Feels very relevant to me. And you 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.720 mentioned Avengers because this was they were an Avengers villain 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.960 and Avengers three forty six, which is the part of 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:30.159 the massive Avengers crossover Galactic Storm, which you may know 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.560 because it became a video game, and the Avengers are 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.680 on Hallow, where we know that at least some of 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:36.800 this movie is probably going to take place the Cree 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.840 home world. And this is really I think, as I'm 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.480 a Silver Surfer stand so I had to bring up 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.359 the first appearance connection, But this is really what I 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.959 think is exciting and weird about them choosing this character. 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:50.320 This is a massive X Men storyline, and in this issue, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.119 it's a Cree versus the Shear storyline, like a key 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.679 part of X Men Law. And this is an you know, 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.639