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Speaker 1: Worrying. This podcast can hate spoilers for season three episodes

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Speaker 1: seven of The Mandalorian and the movie Renfield out now

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Speaker 1: in theaters. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm

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Speaker 1: Rosey Knight, and welcome to x ray Vision, the crooked

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Speaker 1: media podcast where we dived ee to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, it's a packed previously on some of

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Speaker 2: the Star Wars celebration news, Boom Boom boom, movies, TV everything,

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Speaker 2: and a breakdown of the Marvels trailer in the airlock.

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Speaker 2: It's season three, episode seven of The Mandalorian in place

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Speaker 2: you haven't been star Wars out by the Star Wars celebration,

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Speaker 2: It's happening in the hive mind. Just absolutely delightful chat

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Speaker 2: with actor and comedian Ben Schwartz to discuss Renfield, Starry,

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Halt, and Nick Kay Jurracula at you. Very delightful

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Speaker 2: and quite profound in some ways and in nod doubt

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Speaker 2: we have a theory for Mike on the Mandaloria.

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Speaker 1: Let's go coming up previously on first up, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the some of the big news coming out of

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Speaker 1: Star Wars celebration, and I think the headline for me

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Speaker 1: at least is going back to the movies. Three big

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Speaker 1: directors and then kind of what the movie is about

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Speaker 1: were announced. We have a James man Goold project that

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about basically the First Jedi, the First Connection

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Speaker 1: with the Force, the Dawn of the Jedi. We have

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Speaker 1: Dave Feloni's project, which will wrap up all of his

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Speaker 1: I guess, our chance to see Grogu and Din and

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Speaker 1: director Charmine obiad Chenoi will direct the sequel to the

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Speaker 1: Ray Saga. Ray is coming back. We would assume Finn

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Speaker 1: what she's been up to, and what she's been up

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Speaker 1: to is training the next generation of Jedi. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean we find out Finn is fourth sensitive?

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Speaker 2: I say yes, now correct, I mean he is. Let's

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Speaker 2: be real, these.

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Speaker 1: All sound really great. We were we were talking in

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Speaker 1: the in the prefro, what of these three? How many

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Speaker 2: Okay? I am of the belief looking at recent past,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the Ray movie.

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Speaker 2: I hope is a Ray and Finn and Poe movie.

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Speaker 2: because people love the Mandalorian Grogu is very toyetic. You

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Speaker 2: and Rebels has gained a true rotty following. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: with the Soca coming, I think that one seems quite likely.

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Speaker 2: I just the slight doubt I have is how likely

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Speaker 2: one I would want to see most is this like

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Speaker 2: I just think it's it's too huge.

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Speaker 1: It's just huge.

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Speaker 2: It's too huge. I would love, Like, do I want

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Speaker 2: save her planet. I'm doing big inverted commas here, because

433
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Speaker 2: Carol's not been very good at that so far. In

434
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Speaker 2: her cannon and all of that is very deep cosmic

435
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Speaker 2: law that I am excited about. But what I really

436
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Speaker 2: want to see is these three characters switching bodies like

437
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Speaker 2: free Fridays.

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Speaker 1: One more thing. Monika's got to stop touching stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh please.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny of the trailer. It's like she's, you know,

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Speaker 1: floating up to an alien energy space portal and it's like,

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Speaker 1: once again, you're touching step She's.

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Speaker 2: Just like no one else.

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Speaker 1: Now, I you rightly pointed out that listen, the last

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Speaker 1: time she touched a weird thing, she got powers. And

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Speaker 1: I think if there is one lesson you take away

447
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Speaker 1: from not just Marvel Comics, but superhero comics in general,

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Speaker 1: is like touch it, touch the radiation, touch the radioactive spider,

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Speaker 1: like let the radiation spill on your face. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of the weird things that you definitely shouldn't get

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Speaker 1: locked in the room that that you know will bombarge

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Speaker 1: with energy, like all of the stuff, like touch it.

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Speaker 1: But still, Monica, there's no way this is scientific. It's touching,

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Speaker 1: not touching stuff.

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Speaker 2: Especially after this specific touching where you send a teen

456
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Speaker 2: into space in your place, I think you can learn

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Speaker 2: that touching is bad. Also, I will say something interesting

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Speaker 2: about this, especially that shows up when MOV When Monica

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00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: touches something she shouldn't touch, they say this is a

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Speaker 2: Saber space station where her and Sam aka nick Furia.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very interested because Saber is not something that's

462
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Speaker 2: in the comics, and I guess it's going to be

463
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Speaker 2: an arm of sword or a different version of sword,

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Speaker 2: maybe something to separate sword off from the scrolls who

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Speaker 2: helped establish it. But I thought that was an interesting note.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, looks really fun. We don't know much about

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Speaker 2: it yet, but dar Been is a great deep cup

468
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 2: pull that can hint and we get to see these

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Speaker 2: three having like a ton of fun all Right.

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Speaker 1: Up next, The Mandalorian Get ready to be transported to

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three New York City with Stipped, the new

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Speaker 1: host Jennifer Romalini takes you on a wild ride through

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Speaker 1: the rise and fall of Viva, the erotic magazine for

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Speaker 1: that rocked the publishing world with a team of feminist

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Speaker 1: writers and editors behind at. Viva in its original form

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Speaker 1: had full fruggal male nudity, a fashion section run by

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Speaker 1: and A Winter herself, and cover stars like Bianka Jagger.

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Speaker 1: But were they doomed to fail from the beginning. Check

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Speaker 1: out the first four episodes of Stift right now listen

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Speaker 1: for free on your favorite podcast platform. Stift It's stiffening.

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Speaker 1: Folks were stepping out of the airlock and into a

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Speaker 1: galaxy far far away. For Season three, Episode seven of

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Speaker 1: The Mandalorian, titled Chapter twenty three The Spies, we will

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about what they in the course of

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Speaker 1: this recap, directed by Rick Famaua and written by Jon

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Speaker 1: Favreau and a guy named David Floni.

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Speaker 2: May have heard him.

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Speaker 1: We open on Coroussant down on the street level where

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Speaker 1: all the gritty, grimy, really dangerous stuff happens.

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Speaker 2: Run a neon lights.

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Speaker 1: It looks gorgeous. It's happen, and we see G sixty

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Speaker 1: eight Elliot Kine. She's out of Amnesty House, skulking around

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Speaker 1: the alleyways. She meets her contact and Imperial Probe joint

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Speaker 1: Abbit to b ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.

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Speaker 1: It connects g to her boss off Gideon, Hello, we

498
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Speaker 1: were right, just saying right, I mean we.

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Speaker 2: Knew, I mean everyone knew, but it was him most

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Speaker 2: obvious thing of old time. Come on, New Republic.

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: G then tells Gideon that, uh, the pirates on Navarro

502
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: ran into a little trouble and he's like, oh, is

503
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: it the You said the New republ wouldn't involved. She's like, well,

504
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't the Republic. It was Mandalorians led by Din

505
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Jarn and Bocatan. Gideon is pissed, but that's what happens

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Speaker 1: when you hire amateurs to do a job that should

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Speaker 1: have been a pro job. And he's alarmed because Bo

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00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: and Dinn together doing something, leading a force of Mandalorians.

509
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: That represents a potential unification of Mandalorian tribes that were

510
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: previously at each other's necks, and that is a threat

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Speaker 1: to whatever plans he has. So he's like, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: deal with this. He gets off the phone with g

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Speaker 1: and walks back to his zoom call. He's having a

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Speaker 1: zoom call with a bunch of commanders from what will

515
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: eventually be the First Order, and they're talking about how

516
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: they need to continue to pretend to be disorganized like

517
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Speaker 1: Imperial remnant warlords, just like hijacking hips and doing weird

518
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: crimes across the galaxy, when in reality, what they're hiding

519
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: is that they are a unified force of imperials who's

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00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: hoping to, you know, spoilerlers, bring imperial rule back to

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Speaker 1: the galaxy. And the person who they are hoping to

522
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: lead them there is none other than friend from the Chiss,

523
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Speaker 1: the Chiss Immigrant himself, Grand Admiral thron Bomb bomb Bum.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge moment. We got funny legends throwback with

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Speaker 2: Captain Pellion, who is an ally who kind of talks

526
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Speaker 2: about here. So this is probably the most important zoom

527
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Speaker 2: call of the galaxy.

528
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now there's only one problem, and that's since the

529
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Speaker 1: end of Rebels, Thron is missing. No one knows where

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Speaker 1: he's at, and there are doubts swirling about whether he's

531
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Speaker 1: gone for good. And one of the people on the Zoom,

532
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Speaker 1: and you can count by the way, maff Gideon is

533
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: one of those people because he's definitely like, you.

534
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: Know, he's a that Yeah, where is this guy?

535
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Now? One of the people on the Zoom is Commandant

536
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Brendle Ucks, dad of Future Screamer, General Hucks, General NEPO Baby,

537
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: one of the one of the Nepo Babies himself. Now,

538
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Speaker 1: Daddy Hucks is working on something called Project Necromancer, which

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and guess is project bring Palpie Back?

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Speaker 2: Right? Got to be? It's gotta be. I mean maybe

541
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Speaker 2: the name is so good and over the top and

542
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: just totally fun and silly, and it's exactly what it says,

543
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Speaker 2: Project Necromance. So they want to bring people back from

544
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Speaker 2: the dead, and we know that that will lead to

545
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Speaker 2: Palpy somehow coming back in the sequel trilogy.

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Speaker 1: I love this name.

547
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Speaker 2: Totally silly, totally TV pulp serialized nonsense, and I'm so

548
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Speaker 2: happy that it's cannon and it's so creepy and good

549
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's bringing Palpee back.

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Speaker 1: And now mouth Getting is like, well, let's talk about

551
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: this throng stuff for a second. He says, quote, I

552
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: hear whispers from one end of the galaxy to the other,

553
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: basically saying, no one's more plugged into what people are

554
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: talking about than me. And then he continues, he says,

555
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: and never a word of throng. You have spoken of

556
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: his imminent return. Perhaps it's time we look to new leadership. Yeah,

557
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: where is this guy? This guy's been gone, no one

558
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: knows where he is. And the Necromancer comes back up.

559
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Hucks is like, okay, well you're shitting on our throng dreams.

560
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Speaker 1: Whatever happened with doctor Pershing, who apparently is the only

561
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Speaker 1: guy in the fucking galaxy capable of doing genetic research.

562
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Speaker 1: It's like, we need this guy for Necromancer whatever necromancer is,

563
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Speaker 1: And Giddeyon is like, oh yeah, sorry, the New Republic

564
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: got him. But like, I've got I've got my people

565
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Speaker 1: on that. I'm working on that. He doesn't say more

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00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: than that, but he suggests that he'll have a fix

567
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Speaker 1: for that soon. Huks then calls out Gideon for doing

568
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Speaker 1: some like off the books research with Pershing on Navarro

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Speaker 1: that no one knows about, and then he refuses to

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Speaker 1: talk about and Gideon very very ably sidesteps the topic.

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00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't admit that, yes, I was on Navarro doing research

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Speaker 1: with doctor Pershing that I'm not going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: He basically just like flips the accusation. It was like, no, no, no, no, clones,

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Speaker 1: your obsession not mine. I was doing some other fucking

575
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: shit over there, which we find out at the end

576
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: of this episode exactly what that was, which is taking

577
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Speaker 1: the best bits of different warrior societies and creating his

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00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: super soldiers. Gideon then flips the discussion again, is like, okay,

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Speaker 1: but what are you What are you guys going to

580
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: do for me right now? Because you you all have

581
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: been hoarding resources and I need stuff. What do I need?

582
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Here's my shopping list. I need Pretorian guards dun du da,

583
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: I need tie interceptors, I need tie bombers. And they're like, man,

584
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: this is some serious weaponry for like, what are you

585
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Speaker 1: scared of an assassination typ He's like, well, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'm concern about. I'm concerned about Mandalorians. They're

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Speaker 1: coming back. They're coming back for their home world. And

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Speaker 1: as we all know, people on this zoom we have

589
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Speaker 1: we have some important projects going on on Mandalor and

590
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: we don't want to share it. So give me my stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty clearly he's going to get his stuff.

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00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: We go to Navarro where an Imperial fleet shows up

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Speaker 1: over over the town. But then it turns out no, no,

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Speaker 1: no grief, carcassays, don't worry my my terrified protocol droid.

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Speaker 1: That's not the the Imperials. Look at the Look at

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Speaker 1: the paint on the bottom that mythosaurse skull on the

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Speaker 1: bottom of that light cruiser. Those are the Mandalorians. Now

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Speaker 1: let me ask you how many gallons of paint did

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Speaker 1: it take to paint the bottom of this Like a

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Speaker 1: billion gallons.

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Speaker 2: Of paint at least to be able to see it.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about a year of manpower and like so

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Speaker 2: much paint you can't even comprehend it. This is like

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Speaker 2: if you did the zoom it, you'd see one man

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Speaker 2: and he'd be painting like white, and you'd zoom out

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: and it would be like, you know, a centimeter on

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00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: there and you have but twenty five thousand men.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it.

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00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Good for them? Maybe yeah the baby did it with

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00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: the force, but yeah, too much paint is how much

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00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: it costs.

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Speaker 1: So the Mandalorian fleet containing of course Axe Wolves's people

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Speaker 1: and of course Bo Grogu and Din is making landfall

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Speaker 1: by this. You know that new parcel of real estate

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00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: gifted by Grief Cargo and the armor and her folks

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00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: are already there, and a Bow is worried because the

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00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: helmet ons and the helmet offs. These two groups don't

618
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: get along. They don't like each other. We all know

619
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Speaker 1: about the history of interneesceine squabbling between Mandalorian sects, but

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: dinner is like none, no, no, they'll cooperate because they

621
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: need to to survive. The armorer welcomes everybody and says, hey,

622
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Speaker 1: we're gonna make dinner. What do you guys want for dinner?

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Speaker 1: Grief then comes up he's got a gift of booze,

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: one bottle of booze for However, many.

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00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: Show it's a shame because like this was a good idea,

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00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: like get them good. It was a good idea, but like,

627
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: what's everyone having like one tiny sniff that I don't

628
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: even know if everyone's gang a sip, but.

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Speaker 1: That's not all something. He's got something very very special

630
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: planned and it's Baby's first Gundam suit. And Angella Mechanic

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Speaker 1: comes into a Grief's office and he's driving the chassis

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Speaker 1: of IG eleven now known as IG twelve because they've

633
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: all bottomized IG eleven, taken out all his like you know,

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00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: memory and drive circuits, so it's just kind of like

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00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: the the stuff that keeps him working, the core systems.

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00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: And then uh, there's a little pilot's uh platform on

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00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: the chest where the pilot can stand and just with

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00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: two old joysticks like run the one I G twelve.

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00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: It's more like a vehicle, Grief says, because Dn is

640
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: like this is weird, and Din is like, okay, well,

641
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Grogu's too, he's a baby. We can't can we really

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Speaker 1: have him driving.

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Speaker 2: Baby?

644
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: And Greg is like no, no, no, I want to

645
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: do it. I want to do it. Probably wants to

646
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: be in a Mac.

647
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: Who can baby in a Mac?

648
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: Grogu gets in the mech and denn Is like, okay,

649
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: this is all fun and games, but get out. And

650
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: there's apparently two buttons on the console, one for yes

651
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: and one for no, and Grogu' is just like every

652
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: time Dan is like get out, He's like no, no, no, no, no,

653
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: no no no, and is like he seems like he

654
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: seems like he's doing well. He's piloting pretty well. And

655
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: then gir was like yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.

656
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: And he does like strong arms mando to like.

657
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: And he's like no now he's like bye, and then

658
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: he just starts stumbling out to like the market street,

659
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: grabbing fruit and crushing it, like just to show like

660
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: what he could do, and making Daddy Dinn have to

661
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: pay for all the street you.

662
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: Have to pay for that? Like, what's going on here?

663
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: This is a terrible I'm happy the baby got a mech,

664
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: but on a parental level, I understand why Din does

665
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: not want that.

666
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: I understand now there's no as far as we know.

667
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: I G eleven was of course a very very dangerous robot,

668
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: but it like blasters and stuff, yeah yeah, And it

669
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: appears that there's no you know, built in hardware weaponry

670
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: on IG twelve, So I know, So I do wonder.

671
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: I think I think Grief made the mech with the

672
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: intention of it being for Grogu. I think from the

673
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: moment that Din had his insane, very project necromancer idea

674
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: to take this poor dead body of this droid that

675
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: had been turned into a statue and try and reanimate

676
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: it with a brain chip card that, by the way,

677
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: didn't just got distracted and never go.

678
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: We don't care about the brains.

679
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: You don't care about that anymore.

680
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: We're trying to repopulate baddle or we don't have time

681
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: for side quest. Gotta go for a bath.

682
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: The side quest is over. The side quest has been

683
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: taken over by a more important side quest. And I

684
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: think that from that very moment, the Anzelians who love

685
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: the bad Baby, they think he's quite cheeky and grief.

686
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: I think they came up with this plan. So really

687
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: Din's been out voted. But does it have weapons? Probably not.

688
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: Seems like it'll be a silly idea, but it does

689
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: feel like we're gonna get to see some hefty grogu.

690
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: Action in the mac in the phenomenon, I just I

691
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: understand that he has the little best guard chess plate

692
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: that is just held on by the tension, just tension

693
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: of his robe. But like I can we get a

694
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: blast cover, like he gotta have bos he needs in

695
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: front of it. Yeah, time, something like a canopy with

696
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: a little like a little like bombed deer's slit.

697
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: So you can see like that.

698
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's like everybody's me shooting at

699
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: center mass.

700
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: I even just like pull down something a little shield.

701
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: I can't have the baby get hit, but it looks

702
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: fantastic job, great idea, grief, I love it. Uh that

703
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: night over some roast gigantic animal that the Mandalorian's killed

704
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: because they love to do that. The helmet Ons and

705
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Offs are eyeing each other warily, and Bo is like, Okay,

706
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I gotta make the we got to pull

707
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: together speech. She gets up, she makes the speech. She

708
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: proposes returning to Mandalor. She's like, we're going to go

709
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: to Mandelor with a scouting party. We're going to find

710
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: the Great Forge, and then once we've secured that, we're

711
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: going to create a little base and that at that

712
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: point we're going to start bringing people back to Mandolor.

713
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: We're going to retake the planet. So I want volunteers

714
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: for the scouting party, and it's got to be from

715
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: both tribes, which is a great idea. And there's no wonderfully,

716
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: there's no shortage of takers.

717
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

718
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: And that group includes din grow goo ax woves, paths

719
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: and many many more. But those are the hefties.

720
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: It becomes very it's very spartacus. First people are a

721
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: little wary, and then then says yes, and then suddenly

722
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: it's this is the way, and everybody's going uh.

723
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: And they head out with honestly, for how many people

724
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: say yes, a shocking amount of ships. They take the

725
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: light cruiser and they waste in the ship and like

726
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: a ships they take what looked like the entire fleet

727
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: goes to Mandelor. Now they arrive on Mandelor with and

728
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: they just take one of the smaller, you know, scout

729
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: ships and they go through the atmosphere. Of course, the

730
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: boat takes pains to you know, tell hey, when we

731
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: go down, we're gonna be cut off. Nobody's gonna be

732
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: able to communicate with us. Uh. And then they land

733
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: and then for some reason Bow is like, hey, the

734
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: green Forge is like somewhere in that direction, let's walk.

735
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: I have.

736
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Bo Why are we not fly? Just fucking fly there?

737
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Why should we walk it?

738
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: You all fit in that one ship. You can just fly,

739
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: just fly to all your and then land babe, just

740
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: it's not exactly a scenic walk, like this is not

741
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: good time.

742
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: And by the way, my other thing and the and

743
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: the mandal aureos. I think part of obviously the squabbling

744
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: is a big factor, and you know why they've found

745
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: themselves in the position they not not to victim blame again,

746
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: but it's but it was a factor. And then I

747
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: think another factor that they need to learn is like

748
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: combined arms, like take okay, if the ships can't communicate

749
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: with the other ships through the atmosphere, just have everybody

750
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: come down into the atmosphere, Like why stay up there?

751
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Haven't everybody come down? Because the upside of that is

752
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: anybody that might come, enemies that might come looking for

753
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: they have no idea where the fuck you are because

754
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: they can't stand through the atmosphere. And now you can

755
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: communicate with your people if they're all in the atmosphere.

756
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: Don't just leave most of the up there and you

757
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: don't know where they are, and then you walk away

758
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: from your spaceship. So what happens if there's like an

759
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: EMERGENC You're gonna run back to the fucking ship like

760
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: all miles or however far you guys, walked bad ideas anyway,

761
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: just take the ships play are we walking? Later they

762
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: encounter like this really really cool like sailing barge that

763
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: slides the very reminiscent of the kind of walker that

764
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: Rex and the older Clones were living in when we

765
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: catch up with them again in season two of Rebels,

766
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the episode Lost Commanders. Really really cool to see this.

767
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: It floats up and big surprise for Bo. It's crewed

768
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: by remnants of the night Owls, which were an elite

769
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: fighting force that was once sworn to bow and they

770
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: make it clear that hey, we're still with you. We

771
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: have failed you, they say, but our blasters remain in

772
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: your service. Very touching moment. They look haggard like they've

773
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: been going through it. The very first thing they ask is, hey,

774
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: you guys got food, got more.

775
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: Giant birth died beasts?

776
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: Hey you guys?

777
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys got any of the meat of jackie

778
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: best meat.

779
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: So everyone gets on the night owl ship because again

780
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: they left their ship behind and what could only be

781
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: described as one of the most unwise moves we've ever seen.

782
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: You guys could have just gotten on your regular ship

783
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: that had like weapons and stuff. Anyway, Uh, the night

784
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: Owls then tell the story of surviving on the on

785
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: the planet while the purge was going on. They apparently

786
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: like moved across the surface from place to place, just

787
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of like dancing through the through the fusion bombs,

788
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: and they say of their experience, you know, they the

789
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: Empire punished us because we refused to surrender, and Bow

790
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: then says, no, that's actually not true, and she tells

791
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: them that in her desperation, when it seemed like everything

792
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: was lost and Mandalorin's truly faced extinction, she met with

793
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: maf Gideon and basically forged a deal that they would

794
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: submit to the Empire and disarm and then all the

795
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: Mandalorians would be spared. And of course maf Gidion double

796
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: cross them and just decided to like kill everybody anyway,

797
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: and then took the Dark Saber. A huge, huge, that's

798
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: huge mission. It's a huge, huge reveal, and it's also

799
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, for a Mandalorian to actually surrender, that must

800
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: have been really, really way. Yeah.

801
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: It gives a lot of complexity to bo a character,

802
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of people either love

803
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: or have a quite complex relationship with after seeing her

804
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: in the TV animated stuff, and I think that Bo,

805
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: the way they've treated bo heir and the performance that

806
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: Katie gives and the additions of context around the choices

807
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: that she made, especially this conversation is really huge, and

808
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: I think it adds a lot to the character and

809
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: to what we know about Mandalor.

810
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I agreed. The arrival of the night owls now adds

811
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: another faction to this very combustible mix of Mandalorianness. Bo insists, again, Hey,

812
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: we need to overcome our divisions. We got to avoid

813
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: these mistakes that have torn us apart in the past

814
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: if we want to rebuild. Dinn comes away with a

815
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: real appreciation for Bo and for the way the helmet

816
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Offs live their version of Mandalorianness, and he notes he says, like,

817
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, basically says we're survivors, right. He says, what

818
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: we'll rebuild? It isn't that our history? And Bo, you know,

819
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: talks openly, very vulnerably about her fears about not being

820
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: the leader that this moment needs. She says, I don't

821
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: know if I can keep everyone together, which I think

822
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: is the thing that you want your leader to worry, Yeah,

823
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: would you definitely want that, you don't want over oh, yeah,

824
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: I got it, exactly true.

825
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: That's always what goes wrong. You always want the person

826
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: who doesn't think they can be a leader to be

827
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: the leader because they're being chosen by the people around them.

828
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: Very interesting moment between Din and Bo here because he

829
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: just straight up says to her like I will serve you.

830
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 2: He says, I will serve you because you have honor,

831
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: because I trust you, and I think Bo being vulnerable

832
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: and Bo being honest. It upends what Dinn has been told.

833
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: What the death Watch used to say about her, She

834
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: was selfish, she would never surrenders, she wouldn't fight hard enough.

835
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: He learns here that that was essentially propaganda. That this

836
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: is a real human who tried to make a decision

837
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: to save her people and was betrayed. And this is

838
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: a huge This man has gone from being a bounty

839
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: hunter who works for money and credits to now saying

840
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: he pledges his allegiance to Bo and he will try

841
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: and rebuild Mandolo with her.

842
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: That's massive, It's massive, and it's I love that Bo

843
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: is really grabbing the mantle of Duchess Stine, who similarly, yeah,

844
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: was just trying to hold her people together, trying to

845
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: forge this new path, a political path, a less warlike path,

846
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: and was you know, the focus of a lot of

847
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: violence from her own people for it, and now here

848
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: is bo essentially doing the same thing, but after you know,

849
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: her people have almost been wiped out. It's really heart rending.

850
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: Now many of the night Owls are not well. They've

851
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: been living on the surfaces bomb planet, eating who knows.

852
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: What and crystal something.

853
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: So the armorer is like, I'll take them back up

854
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: to the ships that we left for some reason, I've

855
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: in order and I'll be back and.

856
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: Let's let's remember that as we go forward.

857
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the rest of them, the rest of the

858
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: night Owls like who were good enough, who apparently have

859
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: been who are healthy enough to continue? They're like, oh,

860
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: the Great Forge, Yeah yeah, we know it, Like just

861
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: it's right over here. So they head there. Later on

862
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: the ship as they're en route to the grape Forge

863
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: Pass and acts get in a fight over a board game,

864
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: which I get it, I've been there.

865
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: It happens, it's reliable.

866
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: It immediately turns into this kind of like symbolic fight

867
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: of between these two tribes, and no one is sure

868
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: what to do. The Blades come out boat is a

869
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: little bit frozen by it, you know, like protocol would

870
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: seem to suggest, like you don't get involved.

871
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: You can't do it because it's two separate tribes, so

872
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to open.

873
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Not supposed to And Dinn follows bose lead, but of

874
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: course grogu doesn't. Grogu Is has the liberty and the

875
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: clarity of being like disconnected from this history and steps

876
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: up with his met between them, and everybody actually chills out.

877
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: They're a little chastened because when a baby is like

878
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: you guys are acting like babies that it really hits.

879
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Ye maybe in a crying suit, is like, please calm down.

880
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Soon after this, a giant kaiju monster, not the mythosaur bursts.

881
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: Very confusing and this this is a fantastic episode of

882
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: the Manor program television program, But this was the only

883
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, we already are primed to

884
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: be waiting to see the minsar again. It's a little

885
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: weird to then have a very similar looking.

886
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: Giant monster arrived and it comes at like an important time.

887
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: It seems to be doing something that's relevant, but it's

888
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: just a sea monster. It doesn't happen just a just

889
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: a cool sea monster, which great because I love a

890
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: cool sea monster, so I appreciate it, but slightly confusing.

891
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: It then wrecks the night Owls barge, and not every

892
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Mandalorian makes it out. You see several casualties in this explosion,

893
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: but thankfully the Mandalarians with dialogue do you manage to

894
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: make uh? And the new Mandalorians then head underground for

895
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: shelter and they come to the ruins of the Grave Forge.

896
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: Suddenly they are ambushed by Death Troopers with jetbacks clad

897
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: in best gar. The fight they is brutal.

898
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: They basically look like stormtroopers crossed with Mandalorians. Absolutely good flible,

899
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: and like you said, that fight is brutal, like they

900
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: seem equally matched, which we don't usually see with any

901
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: kind of trooper.

902
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: It goes it's they're shooting, it's hand to hand. It

903
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: is it is. It's really bad. And so Ax is like,

904
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 1: I'll go for reinforcements to the ships that we left

905
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: outside the atmosphere that we should have just like had

906
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: trailing us. But I'll go and and I guess how

907
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: would he would he fly? Like all the way up?

908
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: I know, do we refill his jet pack?

909
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: Because we know he didn't when he was looking for

910
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: his son. But how no, no, no, this is as

911
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: it seems like he would be bat No.

912
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, can they can you fly all

913
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: the way up into into orbit with just the jetpag like,

914
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: didn't the armor take the ship?

915
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: I know, how is he getting up there? Seems unlikely,

916
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: but I guess that's true mercenaries, So maybe I try.

917
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: I trust him. I trust the Axe knows what he's doing.

918
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: And so anyway, Ax goes up and this really heartwarring

919
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: sign of the unity that this tribe is experiencing now

920
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: passes like I will lay down covering from He lays

921
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: on covering fire, and Axe flies up through the hole.

922
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: The new Mandos beat the troopers back, and they go

923
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: to pursue and finish off their wounded enemy. But then

924
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: they find themselves in a trap. It's a hidden imperial base.

925
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: There's tie interceptors all around, and it is Gideon then

926
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: has sprung the trap. Gideon takes Din hostage as the

927
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: rest of the party, you know, trapped behind the blast doors,

928
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: watches helplessly. Grogu is like crying moth, then tells the

929
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: new Mandalorians that what he's been up to, and here

930
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: and here this basically tells us what he was using

931
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Grogor for. He says, like, you know, I'm taking all

932
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: the best bits from all the best warriors from all

933
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: around the galaxy, best gar from the Mandalorians, DNA from Jedi,

934
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: our little friend Grogro over there, other stuff, and I'm

935
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: going to create this like super super soldier army. And

936
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: with that army, I'm gonna fucking conquer the galaxy. He

937
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 1: then is like gets on the horn with his tight

938
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: bombers and it's like, go destroy those ships. Gideon then

939
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: makes bow an offer. Listen, surrender right now, give me

940
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: the Dark Saver. Tell all your Mandalorians to lay down

941
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: their weapons and follow me, and I'll spare everyone. But like,

942
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: how can you trust the guy? It's absolutely yeah, hard No.

943
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: They start shooting at the glass, which doesn't do anything,

944
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: but like these guys love to shoot and stuff, and

945
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: then Bo cuts a hole through the blast door in

946
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: the back and they all escape. Meanwhile, the front blast

947
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: door opens and here come all these death Troopers and

948
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: pauses like I'm fucking going out like a fucking Viking.

949
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm going down, like he goes. He basically goes like

950
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: on a fifty person killing streak. It's like a fifty

951
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: to one KDI ratio until those Praetorians that mof Gideon

952
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: ordered on Imperial Amazon arrive and they take him out. Yeah,

953
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: in a great scene, a really great scene, and rip

954
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: to Paz.

955
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: Ripza Paz. He did great. I hope he's not really dead,

956
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: but he's definitely really dead.

957
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: He's dead.

958
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: They muck him. Also, I just want to mention Muff.

959
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: Gideon has like sick doth Veda cross with.

960
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: Pasma Captain Patsma.

961
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he calls it is a Dark

962
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 2: Trooper armor that he's created, and it's this best gard

963
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: Darth Vader armor. And obviously he basically made it because

964
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: he wants to have the Dark Saber and be the

965
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: Dark Trooper. It's so emo. But this is really cool.

966
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: I love this unexpected twist, this.

967
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Kind of.

968
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: Dueling idea of wanting to rule mandalor Bo wants to

969
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: do it for the Mandalorians and the people, and Gideon

970
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: sees it as like a power vacuum where he can

971
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: on a new version of.

972
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: Mandalor free planet. Yeah, filled with weapons, and why not?

973
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Why do not. I just set a base right here

974
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: and uses the lunch had to take over the galaxy.

975
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, very outrageous scheme. I don't think it's going to

976
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: go well for him, just looking at what we know

977
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: of Star Wars history. But this was a very cool episode.

978
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Rick just absolutely smashed it once again. I think if

979
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: anyone had been feeling we we have been big fan

980
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: and of the more out there side quest episodes because

981
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: we love that kind of stuff. I loved the Plazi

982
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: F fifteen. I thought it was so fun. But I

983
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: feel like if people have been looking for that, how

984
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: does it all come together and how does this impact

985
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: stuff going forwards? This is that episode where the loose

986
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: threads begin to be tied together and we start to

987
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: get an inkling of the greater plan Rosie.

988
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: The title of this episode is the Spies Now G

989
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Eliot Kine is certainly the one is definitely

990
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: a spy, so plural spies. There's a lot of conjecture

991
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: on the internets right now about who the other spies are.

992
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: Who do you think the other spies are? I mean,

993
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: certainly there are some suspects. I found it weird that

994
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: we had that armorer scene in there where Yes just

995
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: flies up with the night owls and then you think

996
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: that you're going to see the attack on the fleet,

997
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: but then you never see it.

998
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: That definitely suspicious Axe Wolves.

999
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: Also is like I guess I'm gonna fly my jetpack

1000
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: all over his space and get to the ships. Like yeah,

1001
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: So there's there's there's people who left in weird circumstances.

1002
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: And we did get that thing that moment at the

1003
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode last week where the man lawyers

1004
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: who acts leads mentioned that like, yeah, we'll be honorable

1005
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: for a few credits. So there's still that duality of like,

1006
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: do they really believe that bo won the lightsaber fairly?

1007
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: Would they betray her? I think another good I think

1008
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: this is really interesting because, as the Internet has pointed out,

1009
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, the titles of the Mad Laurian

1010
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: episodes are usually incredibly.

1011
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: Literal.

1012
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very very literal. So it seems odd to

1013
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: be in a situation where we don't know exactly what

1014
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: this is referencing to. And you made a great point

1015
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 2: before we started recording that it's rare for them to

1016
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: want you to be ahead of the story.

1017
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's usually just like a storytelling one on one. Ever,

1018
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: let the audience be ahead of it, Like if you're

1019
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: going to reveal that there's a betrayer amongst the Mandalorians,

1020
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: don't let people be looking for that person because it'll

1021
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: ruin the reveal.

1022
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they want that conversation

1023
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: because another person that I think could we could think

1024
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: about it as being about Moff Gideon because he's part

1025
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: of this Imperial Zoom and he's using the technology and

1026
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: the resources that they have while doing his own thing

1027
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: to try and take over the galaxy himself. So is

1028
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: he technically a spy in that space because he's betraying them?

1029
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: I think the armor a thing is a really great call.

1030
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: I also wonder if maybe there is somebody within Moff

1031
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Gideon's ranks who is actually potentially a spy for our

1032
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: Mandalorians who might turn in that way. I think that

1033
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: we could be in a possibility here because of the

1034
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: plural nature and the fact that it's obviously not just

1035
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: about Elliott, who obviously is a spy, we could have

1036
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: a big surprise in the finale of having a few

1037
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: different maybe a spy network that we don't know about

1038
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: or something. It's very it's a very interesting choice.

1039
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: Here's my argument against the armor slash ax woves as

1040
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: spies from off Gideon. Wouldn't he no more stuff? Like

1041
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: why would he need G sixty eight then to tell

1042
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: him that that is a great the Laurian's interfered with

1043
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: the pirates because he would just be getting that directly

1044
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: the armor, yeah, from them. So it I wonder again,

1045
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: considering how as you mentioned, like the titles are always

1046
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 1: very very just what it is on the surface level,

1047
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: like you know, no subjects, just text. I wonder if,

1048
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: like maf Gideon is the spy because ye, as we

1049
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: see in this episode, he is working against what the

1050
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: rest of the First Order, even though they're not the

1051
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: First Order, he's kind of working against what they wanted.

1052
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: They're all like, we can't wait for Daddy's throwing to

1053
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: come home, and he's like no, no, no, we're not looking.

1054
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: He's like, who's throwing him? But it is, it is.

1055
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: It's a it's fascinating, and I do wonder where. I

1056
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: wonder how much more coruscont and G. Sixty eight we're

1057
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna get? And I wonder, I yeah, I wonder how

1058
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: much more of that there is, K would seem it

1059
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: would seem as if, unless that spy network is gonna

1060
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: get revealed, it would seem like we're kind of done

1061
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: with her.

1062
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like they got all they needed. Yeah, but

1063
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: she's so great kay O'Brien as Alias. It's such a

1064
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: we a kind of nefarious energy that she puts across

1065
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't be surprised if they try and reveal

1066
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I suppose, and this would fit

1067
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: into conversations we'd had before. I wonder if the spies

1068
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: is more to do with Alia potentially running a spy

1069
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: network within the amnesty program or something like that, you know.

1070
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: I I wonder if that will come into play in

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: the finale that like that particular storyline and how she

1072
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: helped Gideon is done, but maybe that Imperial network is

1073
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: a lot stronger than we thought, and we'll kind of

1074
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: see the resurgence in the finale as we know this

1075
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: is now all leading to that sequel trilogy.

1076
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't. I think it would be an

1077
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: adacious reveal if the Armor was like a spy for

1078
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: the like, that would be absolutely incredible, like a game

1079
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: level like Flip that if they did it right, that

1080
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: would be a gut bunch. But I just I can't

1081
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: get there, Like, why did she Why would she so

1082
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: helpful on Navarro? Then when they were fighting the pirates,

1083
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: why didn't she just kind of like not try that

1084
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: she didn't.

1085
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd have to have an ultimately brilliant it all

1086
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: comes together reasoning, because you know, when you're a spy,

1087
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: you have to play both sides. You have to be believable.

1088
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, she has done many things. I

1089
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: would say there are some kind of you could have

1090
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: some fun if it was revealed that she was a

1091
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: spy with kind of that flip flop nature of who

1092
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: she deems worthy to be a Mandalorian and how she

1093
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: goes from having these huge concrete visions of what Mandalor

1094
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: is and who the Mandlorians are to suddenly being like

1095
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: well as many Mandlorians as possible. I mean, okay, so

1096
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: this is again on the audacious side. But what if

1097
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: the reason that she's been trying to grow this Mandalorian

1098
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: you know group, is because she was going to send

1099
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: them to this trap and have Gidde and kill them.

1100
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: He says, thank you for bringing all the Mandalorians to

1101
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: one place, you know, So there are arguments, but I

1102
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that is someone who does

1103
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: truly care about Mandalor we know she cares about best

1104
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: Scar and she's very deeply. But then again, she could

1105
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: be help. She could have been helping Gideon make those uniforms.

1106
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: He knows how to do it.

1107
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: That's true, but like when she why would she go,

1108
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: when would she do it? How would she get there?

1109
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I guess, like the other side of it is that

1110
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: we've noted in past episodes, like how effective they're recruiting.

1111
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: Was this is even before you know Bow's helmet offs

1112
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: came into the fold. They they grew the population of

1113
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: the covert pretty significantly. And so I guess the another

1114
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: way you could go about it, if indeed the Armor

1115
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: is a spy, is that she's been assembling this force

1116
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: of Mandalorians to then hand to Gideon to then become

1117
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: part of his army. Maybe that's it, but it's again

1118
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: i'd find it. It would be, it would be, It

1119
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: would be audacious, but it would be I don't know

1120
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: if I could get there. I don't it, I don't think,

1121
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: and it would really tear apart everything that Din and

1122
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: Grogu and so many of those Mandalorians from the covert

1123
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: know about Mandalorian being a Mandalorian. Like it would destroy

1124
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: the ultimate betrayal. It would be incredible if it was true.

1125
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: But like, I just can't see it.

1126
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: Maybe acts though, maybe yeah, a mercenary I could see that.

1127
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can see it at Vieham. Sure, all right,

1128
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk more about the Yeah, the

1129
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: finales next week. The finale of The Mandalorian is gonna

1130
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: be a banger. Let me ask you this before we

1131
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: get there. Rick Femau, who of course directed this episode

1132
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: in various great episodes of The Manlorin television program, has

1133
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: been quoted as saying that the title of The Mandalorian

1134
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: no longer refers to just didn't It refers to the

1135
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: Mandalorian people writ large, it's gonna.

1136
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: Be bo that Star Wars celebration. It's more about that.

1137
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: Even this season, I think they were saying it's about

1138
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: the Mandalorians as a culture.

1139
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think then, and I think if you

1140
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: could pull back like the curtain, you might say that

1141
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: some of the kind of like bottle episode segments of

1142
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: this season, you know, could have been necessary because of

1143
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: like how you know, maybe they didn't have Pedro as

1144
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: much as they wanted. Are they gonna kill? Didn't like

1145
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't know? Didn't we know that didnt doesn't show up

1146
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: in any battles going forward, like any of the any

1147
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: of the the big stuff New Republic versus the First Order,

1148
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: you'd assume he'd be there, although you could come up

1149
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: with any reason that he wouldn't be there. And it

1150
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: has me wondering that quote from Rick, plus where we

1151
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: are right now in the story, plus the fact that

1152
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: we do you know, we don't see Din and Grug

1153
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: running around in any of the big battles. I wonder

1154
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: if they I wonder if he makes it out. Yeah.

1155
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: I think you make a really good point, especially because

1156
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: we're getting so close to tying this to the sequel

1157
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: trilogy now and we know we don't know where Dinn was.

1158
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like he was anywhere, So, especially when

1159
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: you're starting to do things like Praetorian Gods, you're really

1160
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: directing us towards that first order. Where Where would he be?

1161
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he be involved? Where is the baby? Maybe

1162
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: they were living off planet somewhere, But I think that

1163
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility

1164
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: that Dinn does not survive. Probably not this season, but

1165
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: I think I could see a season four us saying

1166
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: rip to din Man.

1167
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen. I hope it doesn't happen

1168
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: this season. I'm not sure too.

1169
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be wrong. I want to see him

1170
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: on the big screen if they're doing this movie. I

1171
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: want to see him with the baby, and the baby

1172
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: and the mech and dinner his ship. It'll be great.

1173
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: Up next, The Hive Mind with Benny schwas himself, Ben Schwartz,

1174
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Welcome to the High Mind, where we explore topic in

1175
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: more detail with the help of expert guests. This week.

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01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely thrilled to have actor and comedian Ben Schwartz. You,

1177
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: of course know him from Parks and rec Sonic the Hedgehog,

1178
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: The After Party on Apple TV plus end the reason

1179
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: for his apperiance here The upcoming film Renfield out on

1180
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: April fourteenth. Wherever you watch your movies. We watched the

1181
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: movie Renfield and it's delightful.

1182
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: It is a fun movie, very fun.

1183
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: Here's our conversation with Ben Schwartz. Ben Schwartz, thanks for

1184
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,959
Speaker 1: joining x ray vision.

1185
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: Jason, did you see the video on MSG? Okay?

1186
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: Great? Yeah, I did.

1187
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: We start there.

1188
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 1: How are you feeling, what are your what's your gut

1189
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: check feeling about the Knicks in the postseason?

1190
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 5: I feel great. By the way.

1191
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 6: I know people are afraid of Cleveland's defense. Of course

1192
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 6: it makes total sense, but I am so excited for

1193
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 6: a Cleveland matchup. I feel first of all, ever since

1194
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 6: we didn't get Donovan, I've been like, uh, every time

1195
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 6: I see him play, and he's had such a good year,

1196
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, could you imagine if he was on

1197
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 6: our team?

1198
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

1199
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 6: My goodness, you imagine? And now it's like, we literally

1200
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 6: are matching up with the guy.

1201
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 5: That we almost got.

1202
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: So I am.

1203
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 6: I am like, I think we have a chance of winning,

1204
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 6: Like I really feel, I feel strongly.

1205
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're the favorite, but I think we

1206
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: have a chance.

1207
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 6: I think we know we're not the favorite. A mere

1208
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 6: text me this morning that we're the We're in the

1209
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 6: betting pools where the low. We're not above, we're the under.

1210
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: How Dad never tell us the odds? Ringfield is so fun?

1211
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: What was it like being a villain, being a bad guy?

1212
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 5: It was crazy. I got to like, they put back

1213
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 5: my hair, they give me fake tattoos. Every day.

1214
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 6: I had tattoos all my chest and arms. I had

1215
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 6: to like all the things I've never done in my life,

1216
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 6: shoot guns, work out. I had to work out for this.

1217
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 5: Race, cars, get into fist fights, do a ton of drugs.

1218
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 5: So it's like I just don't do any of that

1219
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 5: stuff in real life. So it was so fun.

1220
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 6: And then I tried to like give the guy mommy

1221
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 6: issues and like make it so like all this stuff

1222
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 6: is coming from kind of a pathetic place where he

1223
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 6: just wants people to like him, and all that stuff

1224
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 6: was heaven to me. It was really really fun to

1225
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 6: take what a villain usually is and kind of blow

1226
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 6: it up a bit, which was really fo Yeah.

1227
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: The whole movie really does that with kind of the

1228
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: idea of like who is the central force in a

1229
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 2: story about Dracula? Usually it's Dracula, and obviously here it's Renfield.

1230
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 2: But what was it like to get to work alongside

1231
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: Obviously Nicholas is incredible, but then you have Nick Cage second.

1232
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: Nicholas in like the most Nick Cage role of all time,

1233
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: So what was it like being on set with Nick

1234
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: Cage Dracula, and by the way.

1235
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 6: Rosie, I won har person agree when I watched the

1236
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 6: movie back and you see what he did is Dracula,

1237
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 6: It's like incredible. He plays like seventy different incursions. It's

1238
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 6: it's the most Nick Cage you've ever seen. It's like

1239
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 6: and also I love his performances because he's so unpredictable.

1240
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 6: Now he has a role where his character is unpredictable too,

1241
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 6: But it was amazing. And the best part is like

1242
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 6: in between the Nick Cage stuff, It's like we're shooting

1243
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 6: a scene where he's like choking me and then throwing

1244
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 6: me in and then they go, okay, cut, we're gonna

1245
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 6: switch cameras, and then we sit back on our tables.

1246
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 5: But he's still dresses dragging, and I'm.

1247
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 6: Like, I literally said to him, I was like, hey man,

1248
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 6: So the first time I saw adaptation, I stopped it

1249
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 6: started from the beginning.

1250
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 5: I think that movie is unbelievable. I am so in lovable.

1251
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 6: And then he's just he's just like he's just a

1252
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 6: great guy who loves movies. He loves movies and has

1253
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 6: like a pet crow. He's like everything you love Nick

1254
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 6: Cage for.

1255
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: You're of course known for your your improv skills, your

1256
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: improv background. How much of that did you bring to

1257
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: bear in this part?

1258
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 5: I they let me, Chris, let me go crazy.

1259
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 6: There's a cut of this movie that's like an hour

1260
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 6: and change longer than this, and I can literally, oh

1261
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 6: my god, I could point to scenes because I love

1262
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 6: the movie is ninety minutes long, which makes sense because

1263
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 6: the movie's got to like move. It's like a bullet

1264
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 6: like goes off and you're off to the races. But

1265
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 6: so they had to lose a lot, but I had

1266
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 6: so much more. Every scene you've seen me in this

1267
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 6: film was like a full minute and a half longer,

1268
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 6: and then they slowly cut it. But like there's a

1269
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 6: scene where like I have a bag of cocaine in

1270
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 6: my car and I get into a car accident and

1271
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 6: Aquafina and Adrian Martinez are are racing with me and

1272
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 6: I throw coke at them their cops. And then in

1273
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 6: that scene, Chris McKay, we shot up for two days,

1274
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 6: let me go into any of the extras cars and

1275
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 6: like doud like fuck with everybody. And so I was

1276
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 6: we were going crazy, and like every scene you see, Chris,

1277
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 6: we did it as is, and then we did it

1278
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 6: with me going bananas, and some of that stuff got

1279
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 6: in there, and then some of it just like you know,

1280
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 6: if I'm going too long, the scene is going too long,

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Speaker 6: and also the movie is too long. But so a

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01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 6: little bit is in there. But there is like a

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 6: treasure trove of nonsense somewhere out there on the cutting floor.

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Speaker 2: That's for the DVD extras. I don't know do they

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: still do those. I still buy DVDs for the streaming extras.

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Speaker 5: What's the last dv what's the last DVD you bought?

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: Oh? The last DVD I bought? Well, the place I

1288
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: buy DVDs is the book off in Torrents, which sells

1289
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: dollar DVDs. So the last DVDs I bought was a

1290
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: double More a Combat and More All Combat Annihilation box

1291
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: set for one dollar.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

1293
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: I have an extensively terrible DVD collection of movies that

1294
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: I love. And one of the things, like obviously comedy,

1295
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: that's like one of your big loves, one of our

1296
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: big loves here and one of the reasons we are

1297
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: so stoked to have you on here. This is like

1298
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,959
Speaker 2: a podcast that was born of a love of comics.

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: So can I talk to you a little bit about

1300
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: your love of comics and kind of like what was

1301
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: your comic book origin? What was the comic that made

1302
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 2: you fall in love with comics.

1303
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 6: I've talked about my comic I talked about a Marvel

1304
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 6: card collection with Jason in the past. But like I so,

1305
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 6: I started by collecting basketball cards and Marble cards, and

1306
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 6: then I start with like you know, and then my

1307
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 6: comics start with like Slapstick.

1308
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,480
Speaker 5: I don't know if remember Slapstick. It was a marble flapstick,

1309
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 5: and then.

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01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 6: Like Wolverine, and then X Men was huge, and then

1311
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 6: when Superman died was an enormous moment. When I was

1312
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 6: in you know, there was like the black case that

1313
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 6: you could buy it in like the black plastic bag.

1314
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 2: So you knew you were read in the right issues.

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like there's I always loved like the incredible

1316
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 6: like there even like the cover sometimes would get me.

1317
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 6: Sometimes there'd be a fantastic for like silver Surfer cover

1318
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 6: where it was like silver and like I would like

1319
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 6: be so excited to collect like unique things. But anytime

1320
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 6: there's a first an issue, a like issue of anything,

1321
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 6: I'm on it just to start it.

1322
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 5: And in my collecting mind is like.

1323
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this could be worth a million dollars. Also,

1324
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 6: but I was pretty only I was a huge X

1325
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 6: Men fan, huge Wolverine fan. Loves Spider Man because it

1326
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 6: felt like I know he wasn't, but like a Jewish

1327
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 6: kid from the bron I was like a Jewish kid

1328
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 6: from Riverdale.

1329
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: That's a recognize there is a large contingent of Superpera

1330
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 2: readers who would say Spider Man's Jewish. I think it's

1331
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: a It's a big, a big one, you know, with

1332
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: the creators who are involved. So I think that's an

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: ongoing conversation.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 5: I also did. I also did run and Stimpy. I

1336
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 5: also I like there, I did, I did everything.

1337
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 6: My comic shop was called Alternate Realities on Central Avenue

1338
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,480
Speaker 6: in Westchester, and I would just go there collect basketball,

1339
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 6: marble cards and click comics and then play the Jurassic

1340
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 6: Park pinol machine.

1341
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 5: It was like, my It's what I would do after

1342
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 5: our high school. It was the best.

1343
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, you have been outspoken in your desire

1344
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: to see a Plastic Man movie, Pitch.

1345
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 6: I've been so screwed this tour, this press tour. I

1346
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 6: feel like James Gunn is going to hate me.

1347
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 2: Now. I have to say. I have to say this

1348
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: is partially my fault because in twenty twenty one, me

1349
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: and you chatted about Flora and Ulysses, and because it

1350
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 2: was for Nerdist and it was about comics, I was like,

1351
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 2: what comic book characters would you like to play? And

1352
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: we ran a piece about how you had a plastic

1353
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: Man pitch. And every time I see that story come up,

1354
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, mate, it is.

1355
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 6: It is by far the superhero I want to be

1356
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 6: more than anything else. But I feel like it almost

1357
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 6: feels like the guy that like wears like the band's

1358
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 6: T shirt for the band. Like Now it's like, I

1359
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 6: feel so bad because I'm like so passionate about it,

1360
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: and I even pitched a plastic Man idea to that

1361
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 6: studio a very long time ago.

1362
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 5: I have so many ideas for what it is.

1363
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 6: But I feel like I want you your I started interrupted, Jason,

1364
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 6: I I like love that character, but ask your question,

1365
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 6: knowing now that I'm like so worried that every time

1366
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 6: this comes up to be like this guy won't shut

1367
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 6: up about but go go, I want to.

1368
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 5: Answer a question.

1369
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: What is it? I guess what is it about plastic

1370
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: Man that that resonates with you?

1371
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 6: So when I watched Deadpool for the Marvel universe, I

1372
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 6: thought plastic Man could be that for the DC universe.

1373
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 6: And when I think is fun is that plastic Man

1374
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 6: is a thief. Eli Brian is a thief, right, He

1375
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 6: even gets the superpowers while he's you know, around his

1376
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 6: you know, bad guys whatever, and they ditch him, which

1377
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 6: I is also in the original one, which is also

1378
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 6: something interesting. Even that group of people who are assholes

1379
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 6: don't like him. But I thought the fun of this

1380
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 6: character would be he gets powers, but he doesn't stop

1381
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 6: being a thief, and the course of the movie is

1382
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 6: people like he has to finally be convinced to use

1383
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 6: his powers for good. But I think he's so funny,

1384
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 6: and even in the cartoon versions he's funny. And then

1385
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 6: if you look at the new comics that Gail did, like,

1386
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 6: there's so much comedy in there. And I think your

1387
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 6: article then brought out Gail who was a writer for

1388
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 6: a Plastic Man, and she had said that she based

1389
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 6: some of the character off of me, and like parks

1390
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 6: and stuff like that or something like that. So it's

1391
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 6: like it's also like I don't look too I can

1392
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 6: kind of look like him too. I could look like

1393
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 6: deal too, So it's like I can never be thor

1394
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 6: I can never be like So it's like I can

1395
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 6: play with the skinny guy that stretches pretty good.

1396
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 5: So just the idea of it.

1397
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 6: Being funny, the idea of it being like almost meta

1398
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 6: because he kind of breaks that he does all that stuff,

1399
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 6: and also just you know, it feels like the mask

1400
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 6: almost a little bit too, like that Jim Carry flavor

1401
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 6: is like, I can really improve it, really go bananas

1402
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 6: in this type of movie and turn it special and funny.

1403
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 6: But I love the idea of a thief getting powers

1404
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 6: and it takes a whole film for him to be

1405
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 6: convinced to use.

1406
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 4: Them for good.

1407
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Plastic Man is some of the most

1408
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: exciting kind of transgressive stories. Gail Simon's obviously incredible, Kyle

1409
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: Baker's Plastic Man is like one of my favorite cartooning exhibits.

1410
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: Do you have a dream like who would play your

1411
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 2: Woozy Winks? Who would be like your hapless sidekick?

1412
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 6: Well, what's the exact ethnicity of Woozy? And that's that

1413
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 6: stays constant do we know is it a specific thing?

1414
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: Is it you want?

1415
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three. I think he's usually just a little

1416
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: white dude, but you can just pick whoever.

1417
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 6: I don't think he's white. I think Woozy's not white, right.

1418
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 6: It is the first Filipino Eugene Corderio character.

1419
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: In a Yeah, this is what I'm saying.

1420
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 5: I think Bobby would be amazing.

1421
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 6: If I don't know the ethnicity of Woozy because I

1422
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 6: know it's a little bit, but Bobby up morninghand would

1423
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 6: be amazing.

1424
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 5: Eugene would be amazing. There's there's a.

1425
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 6: Lot of different people that can play that role, but

1426
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 6: I would love some that I can bounce off of

1427
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 6: and we could, like, you know, find fun, gorgeous things.

1428
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 6: But yeah, and also the the idea that I think

1429
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 6: that Plastic Man essentially becomes a part of the Justice League.

1430
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 5: So it's like that character is so insane.

1431
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 6: In that world of like like all these like very

1432
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 6: straight laced characters that I would it would just be

1433
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 6: heaven for a comedian to play that type of role.

1434
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of Eugene Cardero, he is jacked, absolutely whipped. You

1435
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: mentioned that, just busting out of his shirt every time

1436
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: I see him, the guy is getting bigger and bigger, bigger.

1437
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that you know you had to you

1438
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: had to get in the iron church and start praying

1439
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: to the to the to the weights for this role.

1440
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: Can you describe the workout regimen for Renfield?

1441
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 6: Yes, it was very small. I had to be strong

1442
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 6: enough to hold two guns this way. No, I cut

1443
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 6: down a little a little weight and then I turned

1444
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 6: a little into the thing. And by the way, I

1445
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 6: needed it because to do these stunts, to do them

1446
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 6: over and over again, and like I played basketball, but

1447
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 6: you know, it's like I don't have like my muscle

1448
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 6: strength is not where it should be.

1449
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 5: And no joke.

1450
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 6: The first couple of days of doing tests with these guns,

1451
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 6: they were like these gold guns, almost reminiscent of like

1452
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 6: face off, like Caser Troy guns. And I have a

1453
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 6: scene where I stick up Aquafina and I put the

1454
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 6: gun near her head and I hold it for like

1455
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 6: a good minute and a half. I do this monologue.

1456
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 6: The monologu has been cut down quite a bit, but

1457
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 6: it's like so the first like take where you're like,

1458
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 6: when I was like doing screen test stuff, I saw

1459
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 6: my hand like going like this because I just wasn't

1460
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 6: strong enough to hold these guns for that long. So

1461
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 6: my workout regimen was the Chris Brewster, who is the

1462
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 6: stunt guy, gave me like some workout stuff and it

1463
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 6: was mostly like wait, it wasn't like it wasn't like

1464
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 6: crazy stuff. It was like me getting in the hotel gym,

1465
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 6: me working out with free weights, me getting on some

1466
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 6: you know, just whatever and working out and it gave

1467
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 6: me enough to be able to do it, which was

1468
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 6: really exciting.

1469
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 5: And then it was so funny.

1470
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 6: The second I wrapped the fight scenes I was in

1471
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 6: New Orleans, I slowly gained weight for the rest of

1472
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 6: the movie, like you see my character like slowly gets

1473
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 6: bigger and bigger. The second I was done with all

1474
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 6: the parts that had to do with whatever, it was

1475
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 6: just I just kept eating and eating in that city.

1476
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 6: It's so hard not to It's so hard neat healthy

1477
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 6: in that city.

1478
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, too much delicious food. So with this you kind

1479
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: of touched on it, but kind of this idea of

1480
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 2: like turning the idea of what a villain is and

1481
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: exploding it. How do you balance those moments like that

1482
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: moment in the club with Aquafina that's in the trailer way.

1483
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: You have that monologue, you still have to be menacing.

1484
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,440
Speaker 2: How do you bring that balance of kind of unhinged

1485
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: scariness with all the comedy and kind of pathetic aspects

1486
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: that you bring into the character.

1487
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 6: That's a great question. It was something that Chris McKay

1488
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 6: was the director and I really thought about. That moment especially,

1489
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 6: was a big one. Even when I auditioned. He's like,

1490
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 6: I want to see in my head, I never killed

1491
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 6: somebody before. My character had never actually killed somebody. He's

1492
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 6: all talk. His whole thing is talking. He's just trying

1493
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 6: to impress his mom and his friends. So he has

1494
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 6: the gun Tako FINA's face, and then she's she says,

1495
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 6: do it shoot me? I don't think you'll do it,

1496
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 6: and like you see my gears start turning, like, oh

1497
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 6: my god, am I gonna have to actually do this?

1498
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 6: And we spent a bunch of time being like, how

1499
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 6: do we make this look real and watch this person

1500
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 6: flip from being this person just talks to actually somebody's

1501
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 6: gonna pull the trigger and so like we shot that

1502
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 6: scene for days and had such great, like dramatic moments.

1503
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 6: So for me too, there's a bunch of that scene

1504
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 6: that got cut where like I'm like doing bits with

1505
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 6: all the people, like I'm like intimidating everybody when I

1506
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 6: get in there. And then and then I finally get

1507
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 6: to her and have this really dramatic moment that was

1508
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 6: exactly what you said, where I'm juggling this big comedy

1509
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 6: and then Okay, now this moment, I have to be

1510
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 6: like serious and now this moment, I have.

1511
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 5: To be terrified that I'm gonna take some of his life.

1512
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: And we really played with that.

1513
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 6: We really tried to find those moments and try to

1514
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 6: make them real so you feel the character whenever they switch,

1515
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 6: like when I'm unhinged on drugs and then really zoned

1516
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 6: in and like, oh my god, what am I gonna do?

1517
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 5: It was really a fun part of the whole process.

1518
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: The action scenes are spectacular. Each one of them has

1519
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: its own particular hook which I really liked. You know,

1520
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: there's a strong Jackie Channel element here, and then the

1521
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: end fight is really exciting. Tell us about doing fight scenes, it's.

1522
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 5: You know, it's so funny.

1523
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 6: So I did a show called The After Party right

1524
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 6: before this, and it was my episode was a musical episode.

1525
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 6: So I had to learn how to do choreography and

1526
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 6: sing and dance and everything. And I couldn't believe how

1527
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 6: strong the dancers were and how incredible they were. And

1528
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 6: they were like all superstars and regardless of genders or anything,

1529
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 6: they were like cute. They were like superheroes to me,

1530
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 6: and I had to learn how to do that. And

1531
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 6: so I went from that to this, and there's a

1532
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 6: lot of similarities, Like the to learn choreography was the

1533
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 6: first time I had learned like real like you know,

1534
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 6: me and Nichole for weeks beforehand, we go through our

1535
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 6: fights and you know, make sure we're not hurting each

1536
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 6: other and dada da, and it was really fun. And

1537
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 6: then I gained so much respect for the stunt team.

1538
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 6: I spent so much my time on my off time

1539
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 6: with that stunt team and Marvin Ross and all all

1540
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 6: those guys, and so it's like it's incredible and it's

1541
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 6: all a dance. It's all like if you know, if

1542
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 6: you're rhythmic and can do it. That's so like my

1543
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 6: stuff from the After Party really helped me for my

1544
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 6: stunt stuff here. But when I first started fighting, I

1545
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 6: would do like every kid.

1546
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 5: I would go like.

1547
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 6: The director had to tell me to stop making the

1548
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 6: noises like post because never in my life if I

1549
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 6: like play fighter with someone and not pretended, you know

1550
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 6: what I mean.

1551
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 5: It was so was very funny to get that note

1552
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 5: from the.

1553
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 6: Stunt director and the stunt guy's being like, you don't

1554
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 6: stop stop moving your mouth when you're.

1555
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 5: I was sorry.

1556
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Michelle Yo. She was actually a dancer

1557
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: before she became a martial artist, before she was in

1558
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 2: the movie.

1559
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 5: She is so inspiringly incredible.

1560
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: Icon Were there any action movie or particular fight scenes

1561
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: or anything that people directed you to or that you

1562
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 2: revisited as you are prep in for this, because it

1563
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: is like it's an action movie, and I think a

1564
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: lot of people won't know that till they go and

1565
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: see it in the theater.

1566
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 5: And also the action is like superhero action, where like,

1567
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 5: you know, we get superpowers and I'm on wires and

1568
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 5: being thrown all over the place and being flung in

1569
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 5: the air and.

1570
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: So people's limbs are getting torn off and yeah, yeah.

1571
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the best being used as dumb chucks. The

1572
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 6: I didn't watch it for the action stuff. I do

1573
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 6: love my John Wick series. I haven't seen the filth movie.

1574
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 6: I do love I do love a John Wick movie.

1575
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 6: But I mean I grew up, Me and my dad watched,

1576
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 6: you know, every action movie in the universe we watched together,

1577
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 6: so uh, nothing that prepared the ones. The movies that

1578
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,839
Speaker 6: I watched prepare for the role were Good Fellas, Donny Brasco,

1579
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 6: Mean Streets, And then I thought, my character had those

1580
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 6: posters on his wall, but my character could never.

1581
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 5: Be those guys, do you know what I mean? Like

1582
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, he had.

1583
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 6: Those posters on his wall, and he wants to be

1584
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 6: like them, but he's just he could never. He just

1585
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 6: doesn't have it in him to be in So that's

1586
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 6: kind of of those things he aspired to be those guys.

1587
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: Yes, what I love about this movie is that it

1588
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: is First of all, it's fast paced. As you mentioned,

1589
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: the action sees are wonderful. It has a story. We

1590
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: were talking about this in the group chatter. I can't

1591
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I legitimately cannot remember the last movie that dealt with

1592
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: a man in an abusive relationship before, which is a

1593
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: thing that is under talked about. And I can't remember

1594
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: the last movie that devil this. This deals with it

1595
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: in a really fun and cathartic way and it's really funny.

1596
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Was that how much of that was evident when you

1597
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: were pitched this project when you started going out.

1598
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 6: The script was amazing Ryan Ridley, Robert Kirkman, who did

1599
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 6: Walking Dead and by the way, Invincible if you guys

1600
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 6: love comedy, Oh my god.

1601
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 5: And the TV show is just unbelievably good.

1602
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 6: But he thought the idea Kirkman then he gave it

1603
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 6: to Ryan Redley wrote for the first bunch of seasons

1604
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 6: of Rick and Morty. The script was amazing, and the

1605
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 6: script had all that stuff in there, and it also

1606
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 6: is kind of like inspiring for someone who wants to

1607
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 6: get out of a toxic relationship to someone who is

1608
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 6: like their boss at work, is like they can't get

1609
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 6: out of their job and they just don't have they

1610
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 6: don't have they don't have the confidence in themselves to

1611
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,839
Speaker 6: break free because you know, the negative and the failure

1612
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 6: is so scary. So all that stuff was evident in there.

1613
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 6: But the script was the reason why I wanted to

1614
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 6: do it was I never got to play villain before

1615
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 6: in my life. I've never gotten to do these fight scenes.

1616
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 6: I remember talking to my agent because I at the

1617
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 6: time when after auditioned, I got lucky and I had

1618
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 6: two offers at the same time, and I had to

1619
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 6: choose what to do this or something else. And my

1620
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 6: agent's like, you're always going to be able to play

1621
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 6: this nebishy Jewish character.

1622
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 5: You're very villain of a studio film, Ben.

1623
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 6: And I was like, you're right, you're right, you're right,

1624
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 6: And it was just so clear that It's like, I

1625
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 6: had so much fun doing it. For the reasons why

1626
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 6: I never get to play those characters, but all that

1627
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 6: stuff was definitely evident in there, and I think it's

1628
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 6: what makes movies good. You know, when you have something

1629
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 6: to bite onto for any of your characters, that's when

1630
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 6: it's like the most exciting. If you're just seen fighting fighting, fighting,

1631
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 6: it's you're gonna get bored. But if you know, even

1632
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 6: when we're watching Marvel movies or DC movies, if it's

1633
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 6: just a series of set pieces with nothing in between,

1634
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 6: you don't care about what happens. But if you make

1635
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 6: you care about the characters, and you see that Nicholet

1636
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 6: is trying to break free, and you see that Dracta

1637
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 6: is kind of petty, also, that's like, yeah, you're like

1638
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 6: you're like kind of like getting invested in all of it.

1639
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 6: So I think it's so necessary and I think Ryan

1640
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 6: really crushed it. The script, the original version of the

1641
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 6: script that I read was one of the better scripts

1642
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 6: I've read in a long time.

1643
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really comes true. It's so funny, it's surprisingly

1644
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 2: sweet while also featuring people being like lambasted with you know,

1645
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: broken limbs. So the other thing I think is really

1646
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: cool about this, even though you know it's not necessarily

1647
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: being presented this way, this is essentially like a universal

1648
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 2: monster movie, and we haven't had one of those.

1649
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: For a while.

1650
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 2: The last one we had was Lee one on Invisible Man,

1651
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: which is like such a different movie.

1652
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 5: I thought they crushed that movie.

1653
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: So good relationship, Yeah, really watching that.

1654
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 6: I remember watching that movie and there was a scene

1655
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 6: where it was just a blank. It was like a

1656
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 6: scene where the director was like kind of like filming

1657
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 6: near the ceiling or something like that, and there's nothing

1658
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 6: on camera, and I remember being terrified. I wrote down

1659
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 6: in a notebook how I couldn't believe how literally nothing

1660
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 6: like you think of that day they literally put a

1661
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 6: camera that press record and the weight of that scene

1662
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 6: was so scary to me and so intense. I was

1663
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 6: really inspired by that, I wrote in a notepad, like

1664
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 6: they remember this, Remember that you can cause drama just

1665
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 6: by like you don't need things happening all the time.

1666
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 5: I thought that was really beautifully done that movie. Sorry,

1667
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 5: yes you said that.

1668
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 2: Every suggestion it's so powerful. Well, I was just gonna say,

1669
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: what's it like to then get to create a character,

1670
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: to get this brilliant script that's in this iconic world

1671
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: that goes back, you know, one hundred years, that has

1672
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 2: people like Bela Lagosi, like pure icons, Boris Karloff, And

1673
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: then to get to create a new character in there

1674
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 2: and be alongside Dracula, one of the most iconic you

1675
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 2: know monsters movie monsters of all time.

1676
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 6: It's when I have my scenes with Draculine when he like,

1677
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 6: I don't even know if it's in the movie, but

1678
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 6: like when he like comes after me and stuff like that,

1679
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 6: it's like two, it's so exciting. It's so exciting because

1680
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 6: you know about where they shot these movies. You know,

1681
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 6: how long do they shot these movies? You know, Bram Stoker,

1682
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 6: you know all these things, you know Leslie Nielsen.

1683
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: So it's like.

1684
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 6: It's like to be a part of the legacy and

1685
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 6: then to create something new that could essentially now is

1686
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 6: like cannon, as we say in our dirty words.

1687
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 5: So it's like that is like it's so it's so exciting.

1688
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 6: And then technically, no matter what happens to my character,

1689
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 6: this character now exists in the universe all these other

1690
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 6: joy Yeah, and it's a brand new character, which is like,

1691
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 6: you know, so it's very very exciting. It's ah for

1692
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 6: someone who really respects this stuff, it's I'm very excited.

1693
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay, final final question. It's and it's a little bit

1694
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: of a nuts and bolts question for me. Does the

1695
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: size of the bug matter? Because Landfield's eating like little

1696
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: spiders and some ants and stuff and and at the

1697
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: end you snort like a centipede that's like eight inches long, dude,

1698
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that the bigger the bug, the

1699
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: bigger the powers. What are you what? How did you

1700
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: what's the receive that? Yeah? What did you think about that?

1701
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 6: This is a great question. I only ate one bug.

1702
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 6: He eats a series of different bugs. Now is it

1703
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 6: the hard is it the blood from the bug? Is it?

1704
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: What is it?

1705
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 5: What is it that's really fueling him?

1706
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 6: You don't really know, but uh, I love that It's

1707
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 6: like my character starts, oh my god in that scene.

1708
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Speaker 5: They cut at the beginning of that scene.

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Speaker 6: But that scene, at my very first scene where you

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Speaker 6: see me in the car and I do coke, you,

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01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 6: it was a whole scene before that, where I'm talking

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01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 6: to my daughter and putting her to sleep while I'm

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01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 6: doing coke and.

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01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 5: Doing this child.

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01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 6: That's how the move. That's how my character is. Like

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01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 6: Entrance was in this and we did like I mean,

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 6: I improvised forever on that. But I love that my

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01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 6: character is mirrored that. The first time you see me

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 6: storts coc and then when he gets to be this

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01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 6: superpowered guy, he snorts the millipede in the same way.

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Speaker 6: I would say that the bigger the bug, I said,

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01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 6: the more mass, the better. That's why he's constantly.

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Speaker 5: That's where it goes.

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01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: The power grows.

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Speaker 6: I think I figure out like a spinach, if Popeye

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01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 6: ate African of Spinach, would he be half as strong

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01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 6: or would he still be as strong?

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 5: Did you have the power the whole thing? Out right?

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01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 2: Important questions?

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Well, listen, go see

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Speaker 1: Renfield April fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go see Renfield is total joy and James Gunn

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Speaker 2: make that Plastic Man movie.

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Speaker 1: Ben Schwartz, thank you so much, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 5: Go Nicks, Oh my god, go Nicks. Absolutely go next everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Ben Schwartz for peering up dex nerd out.

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Speaker 2: In today's not Out, where you tell us what you

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01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 2: love them, why, or a theory that you're excited to share.

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01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:55,759
Speaker 2: Mike posits the latter, a theory about the inspiration behind

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01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 2: Mandalorian chapter twenty two Guns for Hire. And this is

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01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: very unique. I've not heard this theory before, but it

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01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Jason, I'll allow you to

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01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: do the honors.

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01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: Sure, uh, Jason and Rosie. The entire setting of Plazi

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01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: or fifteen reeked of the show making fun of disney

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01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: World and Disneyland. The domes are very epcotesque, that is true,

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01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: the monorail, all of the people focusing on leisure and

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01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: not working, Dinbow being presented with a ceremony and key

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: to the city, and Grogu getting knighted at the end,

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01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. All of this seemed like a

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01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: play on the over the top experiences that people can

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01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: have at a Disney park, which Mike professes to be

1754
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: a very ardent admirer of the magic of disney parks,

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01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: and this is I think this is pretty interesting actually,

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01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: the way the monorail speaks and everything too.

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01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: I hadn't yeah together considered it, but it's really interesting,

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01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: especially like myke he points out, this could be kind

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01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,839
Speaker 2: of like a satire. It's not like some cruel mockery,

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01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 2: but it's because the mocking it everything fun of Disneyland

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01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 2: and kind of certainly.

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01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 1: Everybody who is staying on Plazia fifteen is absolutely loving life.

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01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 2: This would also make a lot of sense because it's

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01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: kind of a nice fun rebuttal slash knowing wink to

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01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 2: how much the Star Wars TV shows have actually been

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01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: about promoting the Disneyland Yeah park, you know, the really

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01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: fun Star Wars Disneyland park that they built. There's been

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01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: a lot of direct tie ins in the Star Wars

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01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 2: shows to that new location. So it's kind of fun

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01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 2: to imagine that this is them sort of going not

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01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: nod wink wink, like my Disneyland's kind of an evil

1772
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: like leisure planet. Like, it's a lot of fun. I

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01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 2: love this reading.

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01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm running with this and the fact that, like we

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01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: didn't I've not heard this before, So first of all, Mike,

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01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,520
Speaker 1: kudos for a really really original, so unique.

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01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: I had not seen anyone do this real.

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01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: It's so fun, and it leads me to believe that

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01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: if this indeed is the subtext, right, I bet you

1780
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: no one caught it on the way out, like part

1781
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: of the reason why I think this would gotten exactly

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01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: nobody caught it. And and of course it also does

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01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,480
Speaker 1: portray like if indeed it is a metaphor for Disneyland

1784
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: disney World, it portrays it it largely a really really

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01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: great light. I mean again, like everybody's just like living

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01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 1: and shopping and eating well without a care in the world.

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01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: All of their you know, needs taken care of by

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01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: various droid servants. Like it's yeah, fun.

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01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 2: I kind of like Mike also makes the point that

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01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: like he's like, I'm not, he's not one hundred percent

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01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: sure where they resist the bar stands in that, But

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01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 2: there is also an argument for the idea that for

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01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 2: you to have fun at Disneyland, a ton of people

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01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: have to work jobs that you don't have to do

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01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 2: so you can enjoy it. And I think that's also

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01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting aspect of it. The droid aspects

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01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: also fun because the Disney the nature of Disney is

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01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 2: there's all these kind of almost like five Nights at

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01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,480
Speaker 2: Freddie's folklore about the animatronics and the kind of spookiness

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01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 2: of Disney parks, and I like that that leans into it.

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01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 2: I just think this is such a cool, fun read.

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01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 2: And I mean all of this stuff constantly feeds off

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01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 2: each other, the parks, the movies, the comics, the TV shows,

1804
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 2: the storytelling, the creators who are involved in it, so

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01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense that they could be

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01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: having fun. I mean, even when you think about it,

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01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: even the way that like Lizzo and Jack Black are

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01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: dressed really feels like it sells into this Lizo's kind

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01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: of this Disney Princess in deep Space.

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01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: One more wrinkle to add to this that supports Mike's theory,

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01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: disney Land disney World is a noted hire of many

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01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 1: older and retired cast members who work at the parks

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01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:02,480
Speaker 1: to augment their their fixed income. And that is absolutely

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01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: in line with the Droids, who are concerned about.

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01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 2: Like that they're going to be replaced all.

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01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: Their models here, and we don't want to be replaced,

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01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: like we want to still want to be useful. So

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01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: there that's another That's another little piece that I think

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01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: supports Mike's assertion. This is very very interesting, Mike Man, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much. That was such a great theory.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us. See you next time. Hey, Mike,

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Speaker 1: this is his notthan marine. Yeah, we'll talk about thrown today.

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01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knows about me, Mike, but

1884
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: part of the reason I might be la cost so

1885
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: much is I got laid off. I got laid off

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01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: from my Imperial pipe fitting job. They just laid me off,

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01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: no warning at all, no benefits, nothing. I'm just out

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01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: on my ass listening to the radio all the time.

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01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: But I want to say one thing about the hypocrisy here, Mike,

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01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: because Grand Admiral thron Where is he? Where is this guy?

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01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: No one knows, and yet no one's talking about coming

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01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: for his job. Apparently people are still willing to follow

1893
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 1: him into the next war or whatever is going on.

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01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: They're they'll paying his salary. I get laid off. No

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01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: one says anything to me. I don't hear anything. I

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01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 1: don't hear from anybody. Grandmairal Throng disappears for months and

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01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: years at a time. Nobody knows where this guy is,

1898
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: and they're still willing to follow him and still willing

1899
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: to hold his job for him. Where is the bike?

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Speaker 1: I'll take my ants off the head, thank you,