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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to When That's What You Really miss Podcast. We

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Speaker 1: have the what is it the jack of all trades?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you call it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? A renaissance woman, Yeah, jack of all trades.

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Speaker 1: She's done everything from creating a Margarita ready to drink

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Speaker 1: Margarita to being on the biggest TV show. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about friends as Charlie currently on Criminal winds

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Speaker 1: on Paramount plus directing up the wazoo.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't even I don't even know that I could

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Speaker 1: name her resume, like when they ask for like a

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Speaker 1: short bio from people. I don't think she could do it.

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Speaker 2: No, And she is one of the most solid human

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Speaker 2: beings you will encounter. It's someone you meet and you

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Speaker 2: just want the world for them, like I. She could

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Speaker 2: never be too successful. I want her to do everything

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Speaker 2: when everything, have it all because she deserves it.

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Speaker 1: And Glee got a little bit of her, not enough.

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Speaker 2: But just a taste. And we're lucky to have even

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Speaker 2: gotten that.

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Speaker 1: I you should Tyler, everybody, Oh.

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Speaker 3: So do you?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 3: You? I have like sweat pants right below.

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Speaker 4: You always take sweatpants above like one workout clothes right

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Speaker 4: below that.

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Speaker 3: Great, God, I love it. Thanks for asking.

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Speaker 2: You're just the hardest working person in the showbiz.

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Speaker 3: Very slutty, She's just aren't we ally? We really are,

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Speaker 3: like I would be slutty er someone would give you.

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Speaker 2: A not There's no way to slushame us.

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Speaker 3: We are horror positive.

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Speaker 2: Get out here a My only answer is yes, exactly

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Speaker 2: said least don't even finish the sentence yes.

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Speaker 3: They're like, no, I don't care, I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. You are busy,

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Speaker 2: so it means a lot that you fit us into

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Speaker 2: that schedule. You know, truly, I.

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Speaker 4: Really I feel like this is like probably the only

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Speaker 4: way where we're going to see the three of us,

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Speaker 4: like the same.

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Speaker 2: Thing on the street, Like we bumped into each other

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Speaker 2: somewhere on the street.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's the last time I saw either

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Speaker 4: of you was like in a random place, like a

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Speaker 4: random social place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, yay, are you filming right now?

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Speaker 3: I am not.

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Speaker 4: I'm on a hiatus, okay, but I'm I'm leaving on

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Speaker 4: money to direct an episode of television in New York

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Speaker 4: And then I have like a week off and.

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Speaker 3: Then I go we go back to criminal minds.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean I'm just like it's a lucky

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Speaker 4: I mean, are lucky aest year, I'd feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: just you have the years where you're like most of

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Speaker 4: the years we're just sitting around staring at each other,

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Speaker 4: and then I just have happened.

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Speaker 3: I happen to like get the jackpot. This yere with work.

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Speaker 4: But next year, next year, you'll see me. It's fires

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Speaker 4: market trying to make jam of some kinds.

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Speaker 3: Jams and preserves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and jams.

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Speaker 3: They've got shreamoya, no idea what that means when I'm

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Speaker 3: buying one.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're happy that you're working one of us from

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Speaker 1: one and the three of us.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's got to do it.

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Speaker 3: Literally, I will be there making crafty crappy for you

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Speaker 3: guys next year.

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Speaker 2: We love it because also it's like when it happens

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Speaker 2: to good people, good people stay working. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: We've said it before, we had such I mean we

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Speaker 2: didn't even directly work with you, ugly, No.

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Speaker 3: We like never had a scene together anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, but people don't probably don't know that, like you

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Speaker 2: are just the kindest person and have like somehow nurtured

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Speaker 2: a friendship between all of us and have maintained it

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Speaker 2: over the years. And obviously not everybody does that. We

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Speaker 2: up every single time and it just means a lot

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Speaker 2: to us. I'm sure so many counties not in advanced, but.

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Speaker 3: I, as I said, I'll do anything.

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Speaker 1: So you were podcasting, like before podcasts were even a thing.

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Speaker 1: I remember coming on your podcast I probably ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: It was ten years ago, because I feel like I

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Speaker 4: I'd done it for five years.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, totally. Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 1: It was your podcasts were a thing. You were like

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Speaker 3: It was me and Mark Marin and Adam Croleer that

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, three brilliant people. That's why you guys

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Speaker 2: are like, here's what we should How did that happen?

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Speaker 2: How did you get into that?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't even know.

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Speaker 4: You know, I wish I had like a great origin story,

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Speaker 4: right like magical visionary. I felt like back then there

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Speaker 4: it was just Mark Marin like he was doing a podcast,

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Speaker 2: And we're never in control of anything, so it's nice

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I did a couple of test episodes,

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Speaker 4: and I mean, you know, you guys have both you

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Speaker 4: strange alchemy that happens when you talk to someone for

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Speaker 3: It'll be so fun just to talk to people for

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Speaker 4: And it's also an opportunity, I mean to like get

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got stuff going on and you're like when you're like, hey,

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Speaker 3: Guests, you know what I mean. It's rare that.

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Speaker 4: You spend just an hour talking to somebody about their

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Speaker 2: And you're so good with people. You are just like

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Speaker 2: watching your interact with people, Yeah, you are.

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Speaker 3: You're the just a nerdous I'm just like a dork,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I just feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: Just so you're you're also just like the curious kid.

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Speaker 2: You just want to know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a good trait to have on

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Speaker 4: I feel like even the ones, like even the podcast

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Speaker 4: Like I interviewed like a guy who was like a

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Speaker 4: and like you know how they got to where they were.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I think we should talk about Glee first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is that why we're here? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of. I mean sometimes you talk

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Speaker 1: about Lee. Okay, So you were cast is Jake's mom

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Speaker 1: and you worked with Jacob artists.

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Speaker 4: Yes, stick up artist who has like I mean literally

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Speaker 1: Name truly, and we called him the man, the myth,

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Speaker 1: the legend, Jacob art Legende.

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Speaker 3: He really is.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about or tell us about how how the

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Speaker 1: did you see watch Glee before?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Like I was, I mean like this closure, I don't

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Speaker 3: Know what the Glee army would be called? Where they

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Speaker 3: It was not as exciting or as sexies. The time

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Speaker 3: So it was like that. It was like an outright offer,

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Speaker 4: But I was excited because like you guys were you

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Speaker 3: No, oh no, no, no. How many moms I mean

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Speaker 4: That never came up from conversation. It would have been

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Speaker 3: I could have been like singing. I would have done it.

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Speaker 4: Exactly and knowing everything you know, you can never focus

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Speaker 3: You like, uh, you know, I also say I can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like people to be here.

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Speaker 3: It, and you could pick whatever song you were going

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Speaker 1: I went the Broadway route. I sang we yes, of

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Speaker 1: Here's the funny part. I didn't even have to sing

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Speaker 3: I got pushed right through. Well you know, she doesn't wave,

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Speaker 2: She has a show tonight, you can't.

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Speaker 4: Early. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had to sing?

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Speaker 3: You did okay?

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Speaker 2: I had to sing? I sang let it be and

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, wow, amazing, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Because Jenna was in New York. I was in LA

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Speaker 3: I just remind you of that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I forget it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get flown in until two months later.

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Speaker 1: My dude, no no, I saw Ryan in New York though.

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Speaker 1: The I did get flown in a poet and my

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Speaker 2: I did four.

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Speaker 1: No dancing, no dancing. And they learned very quickly that

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Speaker 2: Like when Jacob auditioned, he had to dance.

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Speaker 3: And he but he was his name is take of artist.

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Speaker 2: What did you have to do for Friends?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Like they hadn't written the character as any kind of ethnicity,

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Speaker 4: a really tiny room. I think it must have been like,

448
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 4: you know, the bright coffin crane like Triumvirate in there,

449
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 4: but I can't really remember. And maybe casting, but it

450
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 4: wasn't like a big thing.

451
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 3: I think I only read once, Oh my god, isn't

452
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 3: that weird.

453
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 4: Maybe it was twice, maybe like I read for casting

454
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 4: and then went back and read with David that seems

455
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 4: that seems more realistic.

456
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 3: That must have been it, Like I read once and

457
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: then read for Dave with David, and then and then I.

458
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 2: Got that stop pretty quick, right, right, I.

459
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 3: Mean what they wanted.

460
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 4: I mean like like like listen, that show could not

461
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 4: make a mistake back then, right, And and there was

462
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 4: something of an anointment like if they said you were funny,

463
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 4: then you were funny, you know, But then at the

464
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 4: same time, you couldn't tell a.

465
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: Joke on that set.

466
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 4: And I remember Lablong telling me that he's like anybody,

467
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 4: you know, and this wasn't a bad thing. He was

468
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 4: just like anybody, but like no one can get a

469
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: laugh and here but a friend. And he said that

470
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 4: like to make me feel better about that, like it

471
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 4: last like it's not your pop and you know, but you.

472
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: Know, just it was just a cult and people just

473
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: love that show. And they took pretty good care of me.

474
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 4: Like I remember at one point, like going into Martin's

475
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 4: office and I was like, oh, like I just I

476
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 4: just went into her office. She's like, it's not your fault,

477
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 4: it's hour I just couldn't get a laugh. She's like,

478
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 4: it's our fault. We need to write better for you,

479
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 4: and they did, and they really did, like write me up.

480
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 4: I was only supposed to do four episodes. They ended

481
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 4: up doing nine. Wow, Like it just like worked well

482
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 4: and they were very kind, like they were they had that.

483
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the show was off the air, let's go.

484
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 4: They had been on the air at such a long

485
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: so for so long that one of the things that

486
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 4: was happening was like they get these huge stars on there,

487
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 4: and then the stars would just melt down under the pressure.

488
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 4: So they just being on the biggest show and like

489
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: six of the best comedic actors in the cut in

490
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 4: the world, and like, you know, people just terrified about

491
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: like trying to tell a joke.

492
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's hard. Drama's easy. Drama is way

493
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: easier than comedy. And so they knew it was.

494
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 4: It was like a crucible and so they just specifically

495
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 4: the cast just knew. They knew that, and they did

496
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 4: a very good job being like welcome, if you need help,

497
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: if you have questions.

498
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: Come to us of the psychology of all.

499
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just taking that pressure off because you guys know,

500
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 4: like past become an organism, good or bad or everything between.

501
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 4: There are inside jokes, there's eye contact, and then you

502
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 4: come in from the outside and the train is like

503
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: a bullet train out of a station and you're just

504
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 4: trying to hold.

505
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: On for your life and not like it up. And

506
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: so everything you can do as a cast to be like, hey,

507
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: new guy, come over you let me show you where

508
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 3: the donuts are. Like they did a lot of that,

509
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: which really made it a lot nicer.

510
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: That's so nice, especially because you're doing this in front

511
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: of a live studio audience. I sort of like mini theater.

512
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: You do have to all be on the same page.

513
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: And so I imagine, yeah.

514
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: And did you guys, we didn't have an audience. You

515
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: would have an audience for like any of the live

516
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: performances like the stage stuff. Nothing. Yeah, right, So like

517
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 3: we would do we would do the show. It was

518
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: live on a Friday night, and then if a joke

519
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: did land, they would stop down and they would rewrite

520
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: the scene.

521
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: And then you had to go back out there tell

522
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: the joke again. Nope, like learn new lines, go back

523
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: out there, tell the joke again. So it was like

524
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: the you know, yeah, very intense, and but you know

525
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 4: what was great was like they cared about the outcome,

526
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: so they wouldn't wouldn't let you drown.

527
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: They were like that might you might feel the fun

528
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: in that you're here studying, like you're doing stand up

529
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: every night.

530
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: Stand up Like that made sense to me. I was like,

531
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: yeahs going in that.

532
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: World fit in perfectly better than let's say some huge

533
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: gigantic movie start coming in and name.

534
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: Those gigantic movie TV stars. But like they suffered, you

535
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because they were very accustomed to

536
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: no audience and then like they'll.

537
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: Fix it later, they'll fix it in post totally, and.

538
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: The audience just was everything that came out of that

539
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: cast MOUs like on on camera, off camera, they would

540
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: just like lose their minds, right, and then you know,

541
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: you'd be there like the new guy and they're like.

542
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: Talking, that is so hard that happened mentally.

543
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: Also, there's that going out I imagine, and then the

544
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: show goes out and you become famous over I.

545
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: Feel like you must still get recognized the most from friends,

546
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: like oh yeah.

547
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: From friends, right, yeah, yeah, I mean that's the show

548
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: has been off the air for like fifteen years, longer

549
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: fifteen years, and it's crazy because kids still watch it

550
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: like little kids.

551
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like little girls and all your old

552
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 4: girls watch it and reruns, especially like in Europe, like

553
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: it's still so Europe.

554
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: So it is probably the thing I get recognized for

555
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: the most.

556
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: I told the story a million times, but like that,

557
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: you know, you do the live show and then at

558
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 4: the end, it's very much like theater. Youn do a

559
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: curtain call the everyone house, and you're waiting in the

560
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: wings and they'll introduce like the guy starts kind of

561
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: in like increasing kind of responsibility, and then they'll introduce

562
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: the main cast. So like I would be one of

563
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: the last people that would go out before the main cast.

564
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: And right before I went out my first like the

565
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: end of my first tapping mtthe Perry lean in and said, get.

566
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: Ready for your life to change. And it was just

567
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: such a sweet, generous, kind of like kind thing to say.

568
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: It was it like, oh, he was like, this is exciting.

569
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: It's going to be exciting for you.

570
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: And and I never forgot that moment because it really

571
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: did change my life because I at that point, I

572
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: had been on I Want I'm really just I've been

573
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: on Talk Soup, and you know, we would get like

574
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: a million viewers, like cumulily over our like Tenny Riggs

575
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 4: a week in.

576
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: Reruns, you know. And then I was getting a show

577
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: that was like a hundred million viewers globally, right, So

578
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: I changed.

579
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: There's no way for that not to change your life.

580
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: That's a little bit, yeah, especially nine episodes.

581
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: I mean I was just supposed to be like it

582
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: was just supposed to be in season nine and then

583
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: Night and I bridged all the way over to season ten.

584
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: You were too storyline, you were too just a friendly lady.

585
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: I was just friendly and it did kind of great too. Yeah.

586
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: I remember when you came on, like it was a

587
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: big deal. Yes, Oh yeah, it was a big deal

588
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: that there was like somebody new on, a new love.

589
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: A love interest.

590
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: Those are the right ones. It's a big deal, right,

591
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: especially especially that specific Lovenges right, that they were bringing

592
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: someone into the Ross and Races story like, that was

593
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: a big deal for sure, that you were.

594
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: I did like that, Oh yeah, because I guess a

595
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of the Ross love interest were

596
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 4: villains well, because everybody brought the Rachel together, so every woman.

597
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: That came Yeah, so it was complicated and that's always interesting,

598
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: and you were funny and kind and could keep up

599
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: with everybody.

600
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: I remember Floody, I mean I dumped it. I was

601
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: like voting Joey and and I was voting Ross. So

602
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: I really got mine in.

603
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: A very friend way, better right way, better made way more.

604
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: It was sweet.

605
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: I mean they did they did, like they really did

606
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 4: like love lorneness well on that show, Like everybody was

607
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 4: always love sick over somebody, right, So it was like

608
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: it was like right, it was like the right tempo

609
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: for that because everybody was losing their minds.

610
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: It was so cute.

611
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: I feel like the dynamic of like when Glee came out,

612
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: it did well the first episode and then it grew over,

613
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, six months, and we sort of had Ryan

614
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: there to shepherd us, you know, of like what success

615
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: expect x Y and Z.

616
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: Did He did. He have those kinds of conversations with

617
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: you guys all the time. Early on.

618
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: He would take a sense of just the cast and say, like,

619
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: your life's about change. People are going to come to you.

620
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: You talked about about, you know, like campaigns and brand

621
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: deals and you know, publicists. He really did try to

622
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: take us under his wing because he said, you know,

623
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: this is lightning in a bottle this what never happening

624
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: into you, So you know, trying to wrap your head

625
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: around right, grateful for that, and also how to navigate

626
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: it all. It was pretty wild and not to I.

627
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: Mean like not like not to sound like a greeting card,

628
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: but like.

629
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: Not to take it for granted, not in the way

630
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: of like because I feel like I talked like I

631
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 4: had this conversation with younger actors a lot, and like

632
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: when you have a big break, the pitfall the mistake

633
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: is to believe that it's always going to be like this,

634
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: Like it's really a mistake. And sometimes people don't want

635
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: to hear that, Like I've said the a couple of people,

636
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: they're like, I'm just like, I'm not telling you like

637
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: this is the last great thing that's going to happen

638
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: to you.

639
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, no one can stay at eleven. Yes, permanently,

640
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: it just doesn't happen for anyone, anybody. No, no.

641
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: And so to be mentally prepared to a be present

642
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: in the moment and really feel it and enjoy it,

643
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 4: but also know that it's impermanent gives you the like

644
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: the strength for when you're at running at four, because

645
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 4: you're going to run at four, because that's just the

646
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: way it's going to go.

647
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 3: Probably everybody. Yeah, you know what I mean.

648
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: And yeah, but hopefully the peaks and valleys over time,

649
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: even out where you're like at a steady eight and

650
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: you're working, and when you're not working, you're growing and

651
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: you're being alive and you're not taking the valleys personally,

652
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: because everybody's going to hit a valley.

653
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: It's just inevitable, totally, you know, And it's hard to

654
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: like when somebody says that, like, yeah, okay, sure for you. Yeah,

655
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I'm famous now this is everybody

656
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: wants you. It happened to you, like, we're so I

657
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: feel like we're lucky in the You walked into a

658
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: crew that was so used to a gigantic level of

659
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: fame and responsibility for the people watching and for the

660
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: people on set, and to be able to have that

661
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: sort of guidance and safety net, I imagine forget it. Oh,

662
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: it's the difference between the day of someone losing themselves

663
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: and someone being you know, exactly what you just said.

664
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: They were really generous, like I it's this is such

665
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: a weird we have such a weird job. It's really strange.

666
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: It's and it and it's so so like I like

667
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: sometimes I just describe myself as like a professional clown,

668
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like just like they're so.

669
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Exactly exclu literally they were like here we are the

670
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: clowns again, you know.

671
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: And like just to find a way then also like

672
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: we're trying to portray real people, and this life can

673
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: really push you into a space where you're not like

674
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: living a real life and actually like presents it as desirable.

675
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: Like you know, if you literally like if you've arrived,

676
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: you're like riding around in a may box and you know,

677
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: somebody is like pumping up your butt for you on

678
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: a regular basis, and nobody, you know, you never cook

679
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: a meal for yourself, and you know, like how can

680
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: you portray a real person like when you have a

681
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: life like that?

682
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: Right, So like for me.

683
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: And I think it's been helpful to fight for a

684
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: normal life and to reject that pressure because there is

685
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on all of us to present

686
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: as if that's our life. And you know what I mean, yeah,

687
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: like what's wrong with you? Why aren't you like why

688
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: aren't you tiptoing to the supermarket? And you know, you're

689
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: a lubatants you know what I mean. Like, it's just insane,

690
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: it's not real. Why did you wear that sweatshirt three times?

691
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: Who on the planet it's a sweatshirt and wears it once? Right?

692
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: Why?

693
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I loved when Tiffany wore that dress?

694
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Like times I have every time.

695
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I see that dress, I'm like, you know what, it

696
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: gets expensive.

697
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: I have someone showing my ass on Twitter to like

698
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: you're pulling the Tiffany because I wore the same suit

699
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: and everything. I'm like, I don't care a lot of

700
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: money in this lady's suit. I'm gonna wear it exactly.

701
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: My dream was that, but you go ball suit and

702
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: now I haven't and I'm wear it. Wear it.

703
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: That's me with my tux. I have a Hugo bas Tucks.

704
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: I probably got gifted at some point, but like, I

705
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: know this is expensive and I'm gonna wear it everywhere.

706
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: Why don't you show me? Why don't you show me

707
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: the last year and and show me that you haven't

708
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: repeated it? Outfit? Joe? Interest is you know.

709
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: Exactly like this fits really well? I don't right, No, no,

710
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: don't come for me.

711
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: No, it's true though, it's really easy especially like at

712
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: the level that we were working and I'm sure Global Yorking.

713
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: It's very easy to get lost in that world and

714
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: you pulled in and it's luxurious and glamorous until it's

715
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: not and then.

716
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just and it's a trick. It's a trick

717
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: like it's a trick like it makes you feel inadequate.

718
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: For no reason, and you know you tied your worth

719
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: to things like that, and it's it's very it's very

720
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: hard to unravele.

721
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: That, I mean very quickly, like especially because we would

722
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: have gigantic like stars come on and none of them

723
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: really acted insane or anything, but it was one of

724
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: those things where I'm like, I can you know, and

725
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: the tabloids and things you see people like spiraling out

726
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: and being on that set. And at some point we

727
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: had somebody like you know, come toab the sweat in

728
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: between musical numbers like off and we're like, guys, do

729
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: you see this, and we would check each other. We're like,

730
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: this is how people lose it, because of course this

731
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: is how you were. People are handing me a diet

732
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: coke with a straw. If I say I want something,

733
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: someone's gonna go get it for me, and then you

734
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: go home and you don't have that, and then that's

735
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: what you go crazy and.

736
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: The rest of the.

737
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and so you could see how Quint just track

738
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: my ass right, But I just I'm astonished, like and

739
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: not surprised, just the invaluable because you've had such a

740
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: long and successful career that like one of the first

741
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: things and big things you did was one of the

742
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: biggest things possible and then you were given like normal,

743
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: solid foundational guidance to go out and then maintain it.

744
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Because now you're on a gigantic show again, and it's like.

745
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Many many many years later, but you've been.

746
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: On many gigantic shows in between as well. But it's

747
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: like I imagine going into it now, the mindset is

748
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: different because, oh, you tell me, I'm You're settled. You're like,

749
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: I know how to handle success. At this point.

750
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: You know this is going to sound disingenuous. This is

751
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: gonna sound deeply disingenuous. So I polled this to you,

752
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: but you never are everybody listening. I never feel like

753
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: I've made it and I never feel successful.

754
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: And that's not like a boohoo who at all. It's

755
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: not like I'm like, oh, I haven't gotten there yet.

756
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: It's more just like I, oh god, I sound like just.

757
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: The snow, you don't know, I believe it.

758
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: I feel super grateful to be working, like super lucky.

759
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: I think about that a lot, like how lucky I

760
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: am to have a job right now in a business

761
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: that is contracting aggressively. And I think, if I have

762
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: one trick, the only trick is that like I didn't quit,

763
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: Like I really feel like, you know, like just I'm

764
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: just like a font of like you know, greeting card sayings,

765
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: and one of them is like the only way to

766
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: get to the finish line is not to drop out

767
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 4: of the race. So like, you know, there are plenty

768
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 4: of times in this business where I was like, this

769
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: is too hard, it's too unstable, I can't pay my bills.

770
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: I feel like shit all the time. You know, I'm sad,

771
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, all this rejection is no fun. But like

772
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: I'm only here because I didn't bail out. And that's

773
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 4: not a magic trick. That's like maybe like a like

774
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: a kind of ongoing working on belief in myself, you know.

775
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: But then you know, it's it's you know, it's it's

776
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: easy to wash out because it does any other job.

777
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: You work and then you get promoted and you work

778
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: this is like a you're like Sisyphus, you like push

779
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: the rock all the time and then you slot on

780
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: the bottom and you got to start over and there's

781
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: you know, there's no equity, right, so.

782
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: You know, I guess even all the times when I

783
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: was at the bottom, I slip back down the bottom.

784
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Like I just was like, this is not about failing.

785
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 4: This is just about a business that requires a lot

786
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: of you and and that requires a lot of tenacity.

787
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: And then I think about, well what do I want

788
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: my career to look like? And it's just like that

789
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: I kept growing and kept challenging myself because so I

790
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: don't know, do you guys ever think about this, like

791
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: oh yeah, okay, so do you ever think about like

792
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: And I know I'm not really an envious person because

793
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: that's like always smurve face time, but you sometimes think like,

794
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't it be interesting to be Austin Butler.

795
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

796
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: Are branded or they oh and just be super freaking famous,

797
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: you know at like twenty four and I I they're awesome,

798
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: and I like I'm super happy for them.

799
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: So there's not an envy.

800
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: I just like all I can have is the career

801
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: that I have, you know what I mean, and and

802
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: the things that I've done in the way that I've

803
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: built it. And and for me, what I what I

804
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: always felt like was like what I'd rather rather than

805
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: having a peak and then a big valley is just

806
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: rather build build builds them and be able to look

807
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: back at a body of work that I'm proud of,

808
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: experiences that I'm proud of, and.

809
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: And also not have the oppressive press of like not

810
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: being able to go to a restaurant, yeah what I mean,

811
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: or like having.

812
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: To have security.

813
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, I think like growing up, or

814
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: like even when Glee happened, you feel the first way

815
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: of like, oh, it must be nice to be that

816
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: I can let me, let me try to be that

817
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: thing that those things a lot of times happen, not

818
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: because these these people are very talented, but it also

819
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: takes a whole other level of It's like having a

820
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: hit song.

821
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: You never know if it's there's like some magic thing

822
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: that happens that no one can calculate.

823
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: For super talented people and delightful people, delightfless like so

824
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: lovely I like Austin is just like an angel.

825
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: Like every interaction with the nicest guy and super talented

826
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: at a.

827
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: Worker, like they're all workers like they deserve it. You

828
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: don't get there without that.

829
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: You can get super famous fast, but you're not going

830
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: to sta up there if you're not.

831
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: They all respect the position they're in.

832
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a magic dusting. It's like the right timing. Yeah.

833
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: And so there's something else to realizing exactly what you

834
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: just said. I like there was that shift like during like, oh,

835
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: it would just be nice to maintain like some sort

836
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: of normalcy. I don't need to be famous. I enjoy

837
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: my life that I'm building. I enjoy being able to

838
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: afford things. But I don't need to like have a yacht,

839
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: but I would a house I don't worry about. And

840
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: do you think do like TV work or movies, whatever

841
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: it is that I enjoy doing. It brings people joy,

842
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't need to be the biggest show on TV.

843
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: It's like the fame thing.

844
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: I think, you know, having ever been like ultra famous,

845
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: I can't really say what it would feel like to

846
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: be I don't know, like Beyonce or anything like that.

847
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: But everybody still has to poop. Everybody said, everybody poops,

848
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: like the best selling book says. But but I do

849
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: think that, like the for me, any fame or infamy

850
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: is just a tool to get better work, to be

851
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: able to do good work, right, like just an opportunity.

852
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: You good work, you know, have access to better opportunities.

853
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: You made your way into directing as well. I'm curious

854
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: how you got into it was something you were always

855
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: interested in and what what kind of took you to

856
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: that level, Like you're directing episodes and movies and all

857
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: of these amazing things.

858
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I mean it was it was like kind

859
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 4: of a natural outgrowth of what was already happening, like

860
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: very YadA YadA. Like when I was a stand up

861
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 4: I did a lot of writing, and then when I

862
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: was on Toksoop, I did a lot of writing. And

863
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: then when Tatsuo met that, I was like, I still

864
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 4: feel like the urge to write, So I started writing

865
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 4: lots of other stuff. I wrote a book, and then

866
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: I was writing some scripts, and then I wrote a

867
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: script that I was developing and the producers were like,

868
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 4: you know you, it sounds like you have a vision

869
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: for this, you should direct it. And I was like,

870
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what that entails or what that means

871
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: at all. You know, I thank you for your belief

872
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: in me, but I I didn't know what you just said.

873
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 4: And I just yeah, I went away and just started

874
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: studying and started chatting. And I didn't go to film school,

875
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: so I just started shadowing for people that are listening.

876
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: That's when you just go, you know, it's like bring

877
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: your daughter to work day.

878
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: Like I would go to directors that I knew, and

879
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: I would say, hey, can I hang around behind you

880
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: and watch you work and learn from you? And I

881
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: did that for a really long time, and then just

882
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: started directing little tiny short form pieces like I rended

883
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 4: cameras and I told all my friends that were in

884
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: a band, like, hey, if you let me hang out

885
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: with you for a couple days, I'll give you a

886
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: free music video. And I just teach me how to operate,

887
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: teach myself how to edit, you know, kind of concept

888
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: to pieces. And then I was like this is free,

889
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: like use it or don't use it. I did that

890
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: for a while and then I did a short film

891
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 4: in Ireland in twenty fourteen.

892
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: It was like my first narrative short and I loved it.

893
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: And then in twenty fifteen, I crowdfunded a feature and

894
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: I knew, I was I knew it was giving you

895
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: really tough for me to get somebody to give you

896
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: money for a movie, you know, I was like, you know,

897
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 4: like actress number oney.

898
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: Seven hundred and nineteen.

899
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: But I wanted to make a film, so I just

900
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: I just raised money and made Yeah, I made a

901
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: feature in seven days for like two hundred thousand dollars.

902
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: And I know that insane. I know it was so crazy.

903
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm a maniac. I need help. And you know what

904
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: it was.

905
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: It was like we had this much money and we

906
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: were going to make it nine days. But if we

907
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: made it seven then we could afford more equipment. On

908
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: the days that we were working, right, we'd get an

909
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: extra you know, like another cop and another camera and

910
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: you know, a better process trailer.

911
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: So and I remember thinking, oh god, what if I

912
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: hate it? Like what if this is really what if

913
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm really bad at it? What if I'm miserable? And

914
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: I just I loved every minute of it.

915
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: Everything went wrong on that movie, like yeh, camera, you know,

916
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: equipment broke, we got stuck in a parking lot. We

917
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 4: like had the cops pulled this over, so we'd created

918
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: a mile of traffic behind this.

919
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: Car we were driving, like we had to throw out

920
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: a whole day's worth of footage because it's like it

921
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: didn't match. And like, still I still loved it. I

922
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: still loved it. And and then I was like, oh

923
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: this is what again.

924
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm just you should just call this episode the human

925
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 4: greading Card, because I was like, oh, I found what

926
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: I was meant to do, Like, this is what I

927
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: was This is what I was meant to do, you

928
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 4: know what I mean, which is a weird thing to

929
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: find like that, like later in life, like oh, this

930
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: is my purpose, you know.

931
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: It makes sense. So it combines all of these things

932
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: that you're already great at in one job, in one position.

933
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

934
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like I still love acting, but

935
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: like being being a director who was acted, Like I

936
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: love actors and I love talking to actors, and I

937
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: you know, like whenever I talk to people about the

938
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: work or when I'm interviewed for a job, I said, this,

939
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: here's all my technical skills and what I'm good at.

940
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: But like a lot of times directors can't talk to

941
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: actors at all, and.

942
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: It's like the first part of their day, and that's

943
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: the best part of my day, is like making actors

944
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: feel safe and giving them the space to create and

945
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: take risks and really feel like I'm going to take

946
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: care of them, and like they can really feel free

947
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 4: to like make mistakes and like, you know, get weird

948
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: and like I'm like, no matter what you do, I

949
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: promise you, I'm going to make you look great. My

950
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: job is to make you look great. Like I always say,

951
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: like if we want to want to marry adopter, fuck

952
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: you at the end of the thing, like I've failed.

953
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: So like you just go like and like feel free,

954
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: you know.

955
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: Because sometimes actors can get a little anxious. They're like, oh,

956
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to turn into bad performance.

957
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: That's to make it most of the time.

958
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, it's my job to make you look fantastic.

959
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: Like that's literally my job.

960
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: So do you have that experience with directors, Like did

961
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: you work with a lot of actor directors before you

962
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: started doing it.

963
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: No, I've worked with some some actors who direct and

964
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: they're awesome, you know what I mean, Like I obviously

965
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm biased, Yeah, and I think there are lots of

966
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: act directors who don't act who are really really great

967
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: with actors. But then you have directors who just stand

968
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: there and say it. I mean like that's sure, okay,

969
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: Like it's also my job to do a good job,

970
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: whether you're good at your job or not. But you

971
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: want it, you know, you really want we want to.

972
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: Do something wonderful, right, and you wanted to feel collaborative,

973
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm not going to name this director,

974
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: but there's an infamous story about a very famous director

975
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: where this actor is like, I don't We've been shooting

976
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: the scene for a long time and I'm not quite

977
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: sure like what's happening or like where my character is

978
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: in the storyline, and he goes, just shut the fuck

979
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 4: up and say your line, and like.

980
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: That's not I mean shit, you know, and to do.

981
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: But we're not going to get her. That guy's not

982
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: going to turn into great. Yeah, I love it, and

983
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: I and I you know, it's still very hard.

984
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: It's still like, you know, easy for me creatively, but

985
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: it's still I'm still building, still building out a career,

986
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: and I still fighting to get projects of the ground.

987
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: But on the TV side, I've been I've been lucky

988
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: because I got I did a couple of episodes of

989
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: TV early on that got caught the eye of other people,

990
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: and then I ended up directing every like getting to

991
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: direct almost every show in the Walking Dead universe, which

992
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: was really amazing, and it was just like such a

993
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 4: huge experience. Yeah, and I loved that show and I

994
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: was a fan before I got the job.

995
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: So then I was just like, so, how does it

996
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: feel popping in? I always wondered with that with directors

997
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: who just I think it's so hard and so impressive

998
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: when directors can just pop in to a TV show,

999
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: especially that first time when you've never been in that

1000
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: universe before, Like, how do you just jump in and

1001
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: do it? Because it's not like you're jumping into a

1002
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: show that has a crew are doing this every week

1003
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: and so functional.

1004
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: You are coming in at somebody else's house to cook dinner, absolutely,

1005
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: and everyone's like I don't like I don't like my

1006
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: chicken like that, you.

1007
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

1008
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: That's exactly.

1009
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting, Like the job of a television director

1010
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: is very different from the job of the film director

1011
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 4: ight because on a film set, like you are like

1012
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 4: your your word is is yeah, the vision you were

1013
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: god right and everything comes.

1014
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: Back to you.

1015
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: And with TV, a lot of the tempo and the

1016
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 4: look in the field, the show has been established already.

1017
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: You're not going to be able to come in and

1018
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: turn the ship. You're just there to deliver on a

1019
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: vision that's already been established.

1020
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 3: But you also don't want to like engage in a

1021
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: series of layups, right, You really want to bring your

1022
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 3: own vision to the show so that you show them

1023
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: that you have something specific to contribute. So it's really

1024
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: like very much like.

1025
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: A kind of like a high wire active act of

1026
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: like delivering something that people you know, like delivering something

1027
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: that they know they're going to get, but delivering it

1028
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: in a way that feels specific.

1029
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 2: And you need you as a director.

1030
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you just you know, I mean you

1031
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: do a lot of listening.

1032
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: You know, you do a lot of listening and paying

1033
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: attention and kind of figuring out personalities and making sure

1034
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: that people feel heard. And you know, the worst way

1035
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 4: to come in is to be a dictator because everyone's

1036
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 4: just they know you're going to be gone in three

1037
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: weeks anyway, So like you know, if you're going to

1038
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 4: come in, you know, game boisters are like whatever growth

1039
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: you know, the clock is ticking, and there's a bunch

1040
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: of professionals who have been doing that job for long

1041
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: time and they know how to do it.

1042
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: So you really come in and you do.

1043
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: You come in with a specific vision, you're articulated, and

1044
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: then you really open and you try to listen and

1045
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: and really just give people to me.

1046
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: Director is not a dictator.

1047
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: A director is a really really great coach, like like

1048
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: like a great NFL coach, And your job is to

1049
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 4: create the best possible environment for everybody to do their

1050
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: best work.

1051
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1052
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to create it. You're trying to create

1053
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: an environment for hot shots to be hot shots and

1054
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 4: so recognize great talent and then healthfully amplify great talent.

1055
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: And then you know, get snacks, eat snacks, eat and

1056
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: eat a lot of snacks.

1057
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: So eat a lot of breakfast brito guys. I never

1058
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 4: met a breakfast breedo I didn't like, and I love it.

1059
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: I eat it when I direct, because then you can

1060
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: eat it and then you can point with it. You

1061
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: could be like, Okay, now we're gonna do this scene.

1062
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: You're gonna put a light over there, and then you're

1063
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: gonna walk over there, and then I'm gonna.

1064
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: I just love like a weason.

1065
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: It is just my lightsaber. It's just like chicken avocado.

1066
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: There it goes an egg.

1067
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: It's the best. It's the best.

1068
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: But you're also still acting, which you love, and you're

1069
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: doing Criminal Minds right now, which it has moved to

1070
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus. It had such an amazing life broadcasts. It's

1071
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: so wild.

1072
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: I kind of getting bigger. Yeah, it's just bigger.

1073
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: I mean if I had a nic God. Yeah.

1074
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: But our boss loves Criminal Minds like a lot, and

1075
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: she just started watching the one in Paramount Plus that

1076
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: you guts that you guys are doing now and she's like,

1077
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: but they curse and it's so weird and it's.

1078
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: Crazy, because is it weird? Is it weird?

1079
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: Like it's exciting, but it's also strange because it's a

1080
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: totally different thing, Like you guys, you can do whatever,

1081
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: So is that fun for you guys? Like, does it

1082
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: feel any different?

1083
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: It is? It does.

1084
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: It's like we talked a lot last season, the first

1085
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: season of Paramount that like, this is the show, this

1086
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: is the show, this.

1087
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: Is the actually real show.

1088
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, like that.

1089
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: We were a little handcuffed when we were a broadcast

1090
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: and then this is the show kind of it like

1091
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: fully realized exactly.

1092
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: Like like unleashed, do you know what I mean?

1093
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: Because they're just these beats do there are these moments

1094
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: where you're like, if you've tripped over a dead body,

1095
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: you would drop an F bomb like that would just

1096
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 4: like a natural way of speaking. And we have real

1097
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: profilers that have worked with the show for a very

1098
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: long time, and you know, it's a dark job and

1099
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: there's a lot of gallows humor. There's a lot of

1100
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 4: like you know, edge in their lives. They're dealing with

1101
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: really intense scenarios. And so the two things we've been

1102
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: able to do is just to make things feel more authentic.

1103
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: And then because we have more time because we're not

1104
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: forty two minutes because of commercial breaks for an hour,

1105
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: we're just able to lean into everybody's interior life more, right,

1106
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: So it just feels like it's more Yeah, it's been

1107
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: so you know. And then I've direct, So I've directed.

1108
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: I directed the network person in this version. And as

1109
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: a director it's great because you just could take way

1110
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 4: bigger swings, way bigger risks, and it's been like a

1111
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: lot we were just a little boxed in and you know,

1112
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: God blessed CBS. The show is on there for fifteen seasons.

1113
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: Like what show goes that long period anywhere ever? You

1114
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's insane, But it's just been

1115
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 4: like they just the cuffs came.

1116
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: Off when we moved to Paramount and it's really really.

1117
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: Cool special because it also like never happens that never never,

1118
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: It gets to evolve in that way.

1119
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: No, no, no, What show in seven season seventeen is

1120
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 4: like we're doing their best work, Like that's just just

1121
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: not even a real.

1122
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: Moving a different platform where you can expand the vision

1123
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: it's been ruby. It's how has it been directing yourself

1124
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: while something you're in And that's so weird?

1125
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: And so you know, I I love actings. I don't

1126
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: want to sound ungriffield, but like I really resent it

1127
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: when I'm directing, like you know, like it's getting Yeah,

1128
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 3: I gotta get out of this chair, go mega. Yeah,

1129
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: you know what I like? I love I love that,

1130
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: you know.

1131
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: I I always say, like, when you're an actor, your

1132
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: job is to care for just the other people in

1133
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: the scene, like yourself and like whoever you're talking to.

1134
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 4: When you're director, you get to here for everybody, your

1135
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: jobs for everyone on the set, so I don't like

1136
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: to like releinquish that part of it and then just

1137
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: go be focused on my little corner of the thing.

1138
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: We have a good system on the show, like with

1139
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: people that are really good at the jobs that we

1140
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: really trust, so that when you step down, because four

1141
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: of us are of us direct, four.

1142
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: Of a strength.

1143
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 4: And actually this season, uh, we like had a fifth

1144
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: cast members started directing and that was really nice. And

1145
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 4: we just trust our our like our DP and our

1146
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 4: ads so intently so there's not a lot of second guessing.

1147
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: Like it it felt good to me and it looked

1148
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: good to you. We're gonna move on, yeah, exactly, And

1149
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: so that's been really really good.

1150
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1151
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: As At Gilford joined the cast last year and he

1152
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: directed his first episode of television this season, and we

1153
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: had it.

1154
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: We were all it was.

1155
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 4: It was really fun for us as a cast to

1156
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: just be able to be like, hey, yeah, like we

1157
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 4: want to support you, like what questions do you have?

1158
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: And I remember texting I was like, you really picked

1159
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: the right show to do your first episode because it's

1160
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: just like a super supportive group of people, like we're

1161
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 4: not gonna let you swing right, we're gonna we're gonna

1162
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: make sure that you win, you know, and uh you

1163
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: know and honestly, like if I also say the doctors

1164
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: like like there's no world in which like I win

1165
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 4: without you winning, you know what I mean, Like there's

1166
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 4: no scenario where like you look like and I'm a

1167
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: great so like we very much like we're.

1168
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: In this together.

1169
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in this together, like you know, this high

1170
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: tide raises all boats or conversely, it's going to say

1171
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: all of us.

1172
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 4: So like it was great for him to be like, hey,

1173
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: come along, We're going to really like back you up

1174
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: and make sure you have a good experience.

1175
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: And he did a great job.

1176
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: I just love that you're you've been in the position

1177
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: now to like when people do come on to a

1178
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: show you're on, you get to be the one to

1179
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: be that support system for them people in.

1180
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Kirsten, thanksness. When I joined Criminal Minds, I

1181
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 4: was only supposed to do six episodes. This is apparently

1182
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: like a tempo with me is I come in for

1183
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: a couple of episodes and then I just like refuse.

1184
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: To leave the like we got a keeper, like I

1185
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: usually like hiding in the toilet I'm like, maybe they

1186
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: will notice they're still here. You can't see when you

1187
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: look for the stall at night. I just.

1188
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: When I came, and I remember she wrote like my

1189
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: first day and I was literally visiting, like I was

1190
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: just in there. AJ was a J Cook was on

1191
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 4: attorney the lead for six episodes, so I was just

1192
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 4: there to like fill in for her while she was gone.

1193
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: And I came to the first table read.

1194
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: And Kirston had with me this like super long greeting

1195
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: card like welcoming me to the show.

1196
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: And it was just like it. It was so lovely,

1197
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: and I remember how that felt. I don't even think

1198
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm as good as she is.

1199
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: A by making few people feel welcome, but like it

1200
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 4: just it resonates like kind.

1201
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: This is pretty easy.

1202
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: It's like a lot, it's a low it's a no

1203
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: cost to you way to like change somebody else's experiences.

1204
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 3: We just try.

1205
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: We had another guest star that was just on the

1206
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: show and she was like this is the first show

1207
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 4: or I came on as a gues start and I

1208
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: wanted to hug everybody.

1209
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 3: When I left, I'm like, well we're here, star.

1210
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I love that.

1211
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: It's terrifying to go to a strange place with strange people.

1212
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: See who spaces you know, you know what I mean.

1213
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 4: And it's super intimidating, and you know, I think sometimes

1214
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 4: people think we're a little weird.

1215
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: Though they're like, it's so friendly here.

1216
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: Friendly you want.

1217
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: Like you get along? Is that what you're doing here?

1218
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: Is that? What's going on? Get along? Someone is going

1219
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: to do a story and a tabloid about them.

1220
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Really interviews now, I know, stories like how was your

1221
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: experience really good?

1222
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: Super nice for friends.

1223
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Now I'm not lying.

1224
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm going over for a game night.

1225
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: I know I don't understand what's happening. Call me in

1226
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: an hour if I don't response, said the police.

1227
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: Here's here's my location.

1228
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 4: They're way too nice. They're gonna take one of my livers.

1229
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure guys out there, we only have one liver. Sorry,

1230
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: they're gonna take one of my lovers.

1231
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: You can leave me the other one. If that's it,

1232
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 3: you were done for them.

1233
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 4: You guys are so great, Like you're really good at stuff.

1234
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: You're like an amazing team. Like it's just so easy

1235
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 4: to talk to you.

1236
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I love your little faces, so it's nice.

1237
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: To see you make it very easy coming from a host.

1238
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a great interview and you're a great enomer,

1239
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: so we'll take it.

1240
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: You make you made everybody feel comfortable on whose line?

1241
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: You know?

1242
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: You just do it?

1243
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 4: You did that.

1244
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Thought that was such a fun, exciting experience.

1245
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: Yea, so great.

1246
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: Don't be rubbing your face in it. If we had

1247
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: gone longer, we would I don't know. I had no

1248
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: control over came on the show. It was always a

1249
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: surprise by the way, like I would find out like yeah, totally.

1250
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: Before we let you go. We always ask people, and

1251
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: I know your your time only was short lived, But

1252
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?

1253
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 4: Oh god on, I'm such just like a sappy person,

1254
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: but like hope, like hopeful. It was a show that

1255
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: made me feel really hopeful. It felt so radical for

1256
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: the time and brave, you know that it was embracing

1257
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 4: like all of these people's diverse experiences in a way

1258
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 4: that felt like uplifting and like I need a better word,

1259
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 4: but I'm like aggressively like uplifting.

1260
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: It was like really validating and and then but then

1261
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: it was just a great time, you know what I mean.

1262
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 4: It was just it was just like this beautiful kind

1263
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: of package of like fun and play and emotion that

1264
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 4: made me feel hopeful for the for the future and

1265
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 4: for kids, like for young people to be able to

1266
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 4: look and see a version of themselves on TV in

1267
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 4: a way that felt so affirming, I don't know, really hopeful, beautiful. Yeah,

1268
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: and then also jealous because I didn't get to say,

1269
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 4: but whatever time.

1270
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm fine, what would you have sung?

1271
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: What would you want to do?

1272
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: So my care my friends are going to be like

1273
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: you loser. My karaoke song is Uptown Fund by Bruno

1274
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: Mars for you been a really good one because.

1275
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 4: I love I feel like I in the tree spiritically, honestly,

1276
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: I love when it's like a gender bendingo.

1277
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: I love boys do girl songs and girls to do

1278
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: boys songs. I only want to do boy songs.

1279
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so just some kind of like super hyper

1280
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 4: masculine song where I could just up with Bruno Mars

1281
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: and we're like a tuxedo, like a high water tuxedo,

1282
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and like tuxedo shoes in

1283
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: those socks.

1284
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, let's go to karaoke, you say less.

1285
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 4: Okay, because I will show up for anywhere at anytime

1286
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: of the day, like I need medical systems.

1287
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 3: Love it, so just say the word we're.

1288
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: Doing it right, Yeah, I would love to do that.

1289
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: Awesome. Its like full theater kid right, just the ma

1290
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: Ma Mama.

1291
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 4: Town.

1292
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: So we don't have to wait for other people and

1293
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: we'll just go for it.

1294
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: Everybody gets a yeah, I thank you so much for

1295
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: joining us. It was such a pleasure to talk to you,

1296
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: and so like a nice excuse to just see your face.

1297
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: Obnoxious thing. It's so funny. I'm pro. I like, I

1298
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: realized I'm promoting something and I should say it.

1299
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

1300
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: I mean other than criminal minds. I've launched a new

1301
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 4: margarita company. You caught the company, Yes, it's only been

1302
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: around for two months. And actually meet we're we're going

1303
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: to be setting some stuff to all our friends, like

1304
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: when the next truck lands will definitely make sure to

1305
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: send you by some But it's ready to drink margarita

1306
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: is it's organic. It is literally the best thing that

1307
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: ever happened to my face and mouth.

1308
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: She loves it. We all love it. Philosophy l O

1309
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: s O PhD like philosophy, what would it me? And

1310
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: and you can get a ship right to your house

1311
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: like a bottle of organic margarita ship right to your

1312
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: house atilosophy dot com. I'm really really proud.

1313
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: We're like one of the only bipock owned spirits companies

1314
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: like in the business. My co founder is this amazing

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Speaker 4: guy named James Kim, and we built this one by

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Speaker 4: ourselves and.

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Speaker 3: My experience among women.

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we just watched in April, so it's lots of

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Speaker 3: you dot com and it comes say hiding me online

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Speaker 3: and all this. Yeah, yeah, I'm really glad. As soon

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Speaker 3: as we're like, what can she do? She loves carry okay,

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Speaker 3: she loves to drink. So everything's going great.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice next, it's a nice next, a little.

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Speaker 2: We love you, so good to see you.

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Speaker 3: I love you, guys. This is so fun. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I love it. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yay, such a pleasure. Thanks guys, have a great thank.

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Speaker 2: Is she the best person ever?

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Speaker 4: I know?

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Speaker 1: Literally, I love her so every time you see her,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like what it's like, though it is

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Speaker 1: here often, but you run into her on the street

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Speaker 1: or at a party and you're like, oh no, it's

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Speaker 1: just like that.

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Speaker 2: She's the best there was no difference between like her

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Speaker 2: public persona and how she is in real life. She

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Speaker 2: cares deeply, whether apparently she's directing or at dinner with

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Speaker 2: a friend, and wildly talented and just Charlie from Friends

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Speaker 2: always like that. Yeah, yeah, inspiration truth.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode as much

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Speaker 1: as we did. And thanks for listening. That's Ayisha Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Ayisha for coming on in your busy, busy schedule.

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Speaker 2: what you really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us

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