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Thinking Sideways, I'll broke 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:33.600 the I don't know stories of things we simply don't 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.640 know the answer to. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.720 of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I am Devin your host 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:47.640 this week and every other third week, every other third week. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.680 It's every other week, every third week. Anyways, every other 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.120 third week, wuld be six weeks. These two du faces 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:59.400 are Joe and Steve Right and um. This week we're 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.920 going to talk about out a mystery. It's a pretty 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.640 interesting one and we're going a little off the rails. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.800 We're going boogie, going a little uggy boogie and you 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.639 know we're calling in a big old expert. Um. So 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.480 this week we're going to talk about the Pluckily Ghosts, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.960 which is also the haunted village of Pluckily, or however 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.160 you want to talk about it. Plucky and Kent Plucky 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.720 and Kent, yes, in Kent in the UK. And this 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.320 was a listeners suggestion by a listener named Chris. Thanks Chris, 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.800 Thanks Chris. We're going to talk to you in a minute. Actually, 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.920 and I will say that I said, with the thumping 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.160 in the closet, is Joe, did you tie them up? 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:45.760 You're not. That's my ghost. Actually, I've been researching this one, 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.000 and apparently my ghost here in my house, which my 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.080 house is over ninety years old, I got a ghost, 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.520 and so I think my ghost is feeling a little jealous. Yeah, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.200 it's not great. But I'll also say I had a 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.520 little conversation with one of our mods on the mom team, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.280 and she said, I don't think you guys are going 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.640 to do the Pluckily ghosts, but I would be even 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.720 more in love with you if you did. And so 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.160 I say, you're welcome. That makes me happy that she's 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.480 going to be happy. Yeah, you guys, ready to let's 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.079 talk about talk there are reported to be well, I 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.680 guess a quick overview of the case and then we'll 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.920 talk about Pluckily and then we'll get into something else. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.520 This whole thing really started. They're about eighteen individual entities, 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:34.119 depending on where you go, some some say fifty. I mean, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.920 it's it really varies, but they're up to eighteen individual 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.560 entities in Pluckly, as well as a mysterious mist and 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.000 weird screaming in the nights in the forest. So that's 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.880 kind of the mystery here is what's causing all of 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.600 this phenomena and if it's real or not. And we 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.920 didn't really want to do this by ourselves. So since 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.560 Chris suggested this, it turns out he is kind of 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.720 an expert at this stuff. He's got a pretty good 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.560 background in it. So on this story, on this story 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.160 pretty close. Yeah even today actually looks kind of close, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:14.280 and we trust his judgment don't make us look like idiots, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.200 So we're gonna let him introduce himself. Okay, Well, I'm 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.720 Christopher Ripley. I'm an architect and author. I live in 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.760 Kent in the UK, but I work all over And 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.320 my background to this is that I used to live 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.760 very nearby, and I went to high school in a 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.040 town called Tenterdon, which is very very close to Bluckley, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.920 Um and being that I'm from originally from Ashford, which 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.080 is lucky kind of on the way between Ashford and Tenterdon, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:50.000 and I've sort of traveled through it, visited it, dranking 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.960 its pubs, and all sorts of things over the years. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.560 So I've been there hundreds of times. If you couldn't tell. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.000 We talked to Chris by Skype, So apologies in advance 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.560 for some of the quality of the interview, but we're 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.200 talking for a while. We talked stuff a long time, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.080 got a lot of good stuff out of You're gonna 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.880 get to hear most of that, but I'm going to 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.880 give you a quick little rundown before that happens. Pluckily 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.720 is part of the Ashford District of Kent in England. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.840 Kent is like the southeast part of the country by 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.520 the Channel. Yeah, the Channel, yep. If you don't know, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.960 I didn't know. Really, I don't know. I feel like 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.760 I know a lot about the UK, and then I 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.279 like look it up and I'm like, oh, I actually 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:38.000 had no idea about Yeah, So Pluckily as a small 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.559 village set up kind of along some lanes. I think 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.559 it's kind of scattered actually all over the place. Yeah, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.080 I would say it's kind of like a big old, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.760 like almost wagon wheel type. It's not an actual wagon wheel, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.240 but it's like a bunch of different offshoot lanes, yeah, 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.760 that comprise it. And it's kind of just I think 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.760 you kind of think you're out of it, and then 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.640 suddenly you're still in it. And it's just kind of 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.279 a defined little village. If you go to Google Maps 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.600 and Google plu, you get this one corner of it. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.560 There's this one intersection where the Black Horse Pub is 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.880 in the main church that's kind of like and a 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.480 few other things. But then there's this other part that's 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.799 about a mile and a half south where the railroad 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.080 station is. But it's like, you know, and there's a 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.200 pub there and a railroad station, some houses and a 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.880 few things like that, but it's like there's all this 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.960 countryside in between, but they're kind of considered the same town, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.000 you know, and it's like, so it's a little confusing. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.320 Chris did mention that he even thought that Plucky was 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.560 kind of an ill defined It's kind of up up 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.800 to anybody's judgment where it starts and where it ends 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.840 to quote Joe, is it a white spot in the road, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:50.440 kind of actually several several white spots in the road. Yeah, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.120 there's and there's a there's a triangle too, because like 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.159 over to the west of the Darrington Arms Pub, there's 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.400 yet another pub, the Blacksmith's Arms Pub, which again it 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.560 took me a while to find because I think it's over. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.360 You think it's yeah, I think it's like this isn't in, 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.760 it's way way outside. But now there's still more. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.160 but maybe that's what attracts all the ghosts to this place. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.760 Maybe in fact there are no city limits. Yeah, there's 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.560 nothing keeping them in. Pluckily, for reference, has a population 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:25.320 of just over one thousand fifty people total, lip living 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.520 and then the eight teen dead. So we're gonna cut 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.160 in and out of this interview that we did with Chris. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.280 Let's just go ahead and let him tell us what 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.280 happened in Pluckly to kind of make it such a 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:44.360 hotbed for activity. Yeah, it is. It used to be 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.160 in the Guiness Book of Records. I believe it's not 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.640 in there anymore, but it was the most haunted place 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:53.280 in the UK. But taking your first point about the history, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.720 it has such a long history for such a small place. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.920 It's quite weird really. I mean it's been a settlement 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.960 um since before the Romans, so there's been people living 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:07.600 there in the main part of the village since then. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.559 From then on, it sort of became like a feudal system, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.920 so it had a family was originally the arch Bishop 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.120 of Canterbury, but then it became the family. The Deering 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.000 family sort of inherited the village and all of the 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.120 houses everything within the village which was basically part of 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.800 this family. And the deer In family, their sort of 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.440 history starts I think sort of around the eleventh century 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.679 and it sort of carries on all the way through 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.199 to the twentieth century, mid twentieth century. And the deer 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.080 In family themselves are kind of like, uh would have 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.920 been celebrities of their era. They were famous captains and 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.960 lieutenants and members of parliament, so they were widely respected, 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.760 they were widely known, and everybody in the village and 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.920 everybody locally sort of within in the County of Kent 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.600 and wider would have been aware of the deer In family. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.400 And of course, being that they were such a large family, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.720 lots of rumors, lots of gossip. You know, this isn't 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.880 a twenty first century invention. You know, people talking about others. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:13.959 All these kind of rumors and legends and things that 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.040 sort of sprouted up from sort of their families um 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.120 doing and what whatever and then after the Fani to 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:22.840 the family. There's been quite a number of sort of 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.680 relatively sad and tragic events that have occurred from obviously 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:35.000 the World War two and then sort of fires, suicides 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.640 and all sorts of things. So a lot of that 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.679 plays into the legend I think of the village. The 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.640 village was did have the plague years ago and it 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.480 suffered quite badly. A lot of people died from that, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.080 so there's that sort of ties into the local myth. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:57.520 There's been a number of sort of suicides and hangings 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:02.560 and uh sort of deaf and disease over over the years. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:09.840 There was the loofwater dropped a bomb on Little Chart Church, 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.800 which although Little Chart was just outside the boundaries of Pluckily, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.360 it was still part of the Deering estate. So that 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.640 happened in nineteen forty four. That was quite a tragic event. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.839 And then there was also a meal that burnt down 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.040 within the village around the similar sort of time. So, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.400 without getting into too many details, there has been a 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.440 very long association with sort of tragic events, um deaths, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.960 even possible murders of suicides. I know another interesting fact 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.600 which I'll explain a little later on there is there 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.000 is this kind of mist that appears, and locally it 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.240 is known that there is a lot of carp crashes 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:55.480 that happen just geographically because of the area. I know 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.960 working for a company years ago that had an arm 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.240 that did deliver and it delivered in Pluckily, and about 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.559 two or three times every year they would have a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.720 car crash. All right, Okay, so we we also asked 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.840 Chris um about this thing that happens. When you google Pluckily, 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:17.280 there's a lot of talk about the Pluckly massacre, right, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.520 and I'm sure that if you've ever googled Pluckily or 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.439 done any research on it, you've seen this talk about 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.520 this huge massacre that happened. And so we asked Chris 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.000 is there any validity to the massacre or when did 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.520 that happen or anything like that, And this is what 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.240 he had to say. No, No, that that is a 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.160 recent Facebook poax. And of course, you know it should 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.680 be said that maybe there was a massacre, because massacres 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.720 can be metaphorical. Yeah, there's that, or maybe the Pluckily 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.160 high school soccer team, you know, I slaughtered some other 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.800 team from a nearby village and they called the massacre. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.079 I don't think that Pluckily is large enough to have 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.480 a soccer team. Yeah, they have a soccer team member one. Yeah, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.760 like what twelve people to have a soccer team? They 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.160 have a thousand people, they could have one, that's true. Okay, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.719 all right, okay, or you can have you could add like, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.000 I have no idea how many people are a soccer team. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.320 I made that. I just a bunch of guys running around. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:21.560 But it's like girls. Yeah, when people humans live humans. Okay, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.040 So I've were way off track here. Okay, So we 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:32.079 said that there were like eighteen an adolescent amount. That's 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.000 um And so we asked Chris, you know, who are 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.640 who are some of the more popular ones? What are 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.000 the more reported sitings? And so here's what he said 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:48.320 to us about that. Yeah. I think the most interesting one, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.800 which gets confused as being two different ghosts, is a 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.720 lady which some people call the Gypsy Lady and other 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.920 people call it the watercress Lady. That's the water Cressley 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.000 be I know he could out in the middle of it. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.040 Some have her, as I've spoken to people that swear 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.280 blind that they've seen her, particularly back in the Deering 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.040 Arms pub again, the Hunting Lodge as it was. The 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.199 local legend is that she would pick watercress down by 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.960 the river um and then sell it. There's a big obviously, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.400 I don't know if you know him too much about Kent, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.560 but it's called the Garden of England, and it produces 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.840 a lot of produce often is sold locally and shipped 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.440 up to London, or at least it used to be. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.880 Traditionally a lot of fruit and vege comes from abroad now. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.640 So she would pick watercress in the sea, in the 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.160 in the river, sell it locally to be shipped up 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.400 and then she would spend all of her money drinking gin. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.680 Uh and she would yeah, and she she lived under 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.959 the bridge supposedly, you know, she was a poor lady 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.800 and she survived just enough to fund her drinking habit, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.920 by all of accounts. And she was in the Deering 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.640 Arms pub one in drinking her gin. Supposedly she tripped 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.240 or and fell towards the fire. The spark came out 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.440 of the fire and lit her an apron alive and 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.880 then she just she just burned to death. That's that's 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.440 that's the rumor. Yeah, that's that's the local legend. That's 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.240 the one of all the ones probably life I've heard 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.800 of people have spoke to me about. That's the one 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.000 they've seen the most. And they usually see either sort 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.720 of loitering around near the bridge going out of the village, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.240 or they've seen her actually sitting in the Deering Arms 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.680 pub drinking gin. And I know at least two people 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.640 who swear blind that when they've seen her in the 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.880 pub drinking, they just think it's a little old lady 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.400 sit in the corner drink gin. That's crazy. So yeah, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.360 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, so are any other ones 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.520 that are kind of interesting or you you know, have 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.440 heard people talk about a lot. There's people get them 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.680 sometimes confused. But there's a red lady and a white lady. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.960 People have seen, um, the white lady quite a bit. Um. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:09.000 She was supposedly, I think a mistress of the deer 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.800 In family. Um that was a local girl in Plucky 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.360 and was sort of spurned. The red lady, I believe 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.960 was a family member of the deer In family. Again, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.520 that was buried in the St. Nicolas Church. I always 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.920 thought it was quite funny that the church St. Nicholas, 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:31.120 you know, named after Santa Claus. But hey, um, I 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.560 have a question about the Red Lady. Now, I swear 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.160 I saw somewhere that when she was buried, they put 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.520 her in like several lead caskets or something something crazy 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.240 like that. Is does that ring a bell? And is 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.240 do you know anything about that? Yeah? That that's supposedly true. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.200 I believe there's been archaeological evidence to back that up. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.520 But there is a leadline coffin in this crypt and 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.680 nobody knows for sure why. Some say it was to 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.120 preserve she's meant to be very very good looking to 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.320 Some say it was meant to be an ass es 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.480 and an air tight seal to to preserve her looks. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.080 Others say that she was riddled with the plague. So 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.720 I don't know that makes sense. And then yeah, and 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.640 then the other there's another couple that people see quite often. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.560 One is a highwayman that's near the Screaming Woods, which 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:24.800 we can talk about in a second. Yeah, okay, okay, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.120 and the highwoman. And the other one that gets confused 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.640 with the hirewoman is is a coaching horses. And again 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.800 I know at least one person who sent the coaching 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.840 horses and thought it wasn't an actual coaching horses and 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.280 to it literally evaporated in front of them. Yeah, the 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.360 high woman is on his horse when you see him, right, Yeah, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.080 he is the highwayman looks near the near the Screaming woods. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.760 Are you aware of what a highwayman was? I heard 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.920 the story he got run through with a sword because 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.080 he was being overtaken by a bunch of enemies and 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.360 all that. Yeah, well they were basically that. I mean 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.600 most hime women were just local thieves like Dick Turpin 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.800 and like with the black bandana. You know, your money 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.800 or your life was their catchphrase, and he basically, yeah, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:14.080 basically he had a run in and was murdered somewhere 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.639 near the Screaming Woods. Again local legend. There's not a 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.959 lot to sort of substantiate that one at all, like 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.199 most of these legends, but he's another one that with 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.960 the coaching horses is sin you know, fairly frequently. I 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.040 would say, Now there's just a circle back to the 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.480 watercress lady. Um. I've also read that she burned to 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.720 death on the bridge, maybe burned his death somewhere because 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.680 she was drinking alcohol. She was trying to let a 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.399 cigarette at the same time and it must have been 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.520 some high octaened alcohol because she spilled it on herself. Yeah. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.920 And I think that that was on the bridge because 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.560 people say, and that's why you see her under the bridge, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.399 because that's where she died, or you see her sitting 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.840 on the ledge of the bridge smoking a pipe. She 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:06.280 really was my kind of lady man lesson about about 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.199 smoking and drinking at the same time. I guess she 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.040 probably figures at this point, like what's going again? Probably 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.200 not doesn't burn. Yeah. So there's also a lot of 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.080 activity around the Black Horse in which Chris is familiar with. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.240 He's it's a pub now and then he said he 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.840 told us a story about Halloween drinking there, but um, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.679 he didn't talk about paranormal activity there at all. But 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.160 I will mention um that one of my favorite shows, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.560 Ghost Hunters inter National. I actually I liked Ghost Hunters 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.280 like the early season's Ghost National is a little too 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.040 stage for me. Yeah, a little a little too like 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.480 uh silly for me. I guess, um, you're like your 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.879 ghost hunting serious. Well, I mean the for those of 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.760 you who aren't familiar with the show, this is not 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.840 an actual plug for the show or anything. But they 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.119 did at the least in the beginning of the Ghost 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.600 Hunters series try to take a really similar to what 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:07.040 we do, take a really skeptical approach to ghost hunting, 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.719 where they would go in and literally try to like 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.080 try anything they could think of to disprove or recreate 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.480 any of the phenomena that people were experiencing, and then 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.920 whatever was left over they would say was paranormal. But 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.000 one of them was always like, but that doesn't mean 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:23.840 it's ghosts. It just means I can't explain it to 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.320 you right now, which I appreciate anyway. This is a 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.000 kind of spinoff iteration that the guys are a little 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.400 more prone to believe in like anything that somebody tells them, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.960 And it's kind of it's a little different. But Ghost 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.640 Tanner's International went to the Black Horse in and they 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.960 said that it was haunted or at least that there 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.800 was some paranormal activity there. The two around like you know, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.280 like a thousand years right, It's yeah, it's an old 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.240 building and so you can imagine that some weird things 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.760 happened there. Yeah, you expect a little paranormal sounds. Yeah, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.360 the two main entities all called them are that are 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.840 there are a little girl called Elizabeth, and then the baron, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:10.280 who's they always name as William, and um, you may 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.919 not have figured guessed this, but they're pretty sure it 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:20.520 would have been William Dearing that unknown family name. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.560 I And I'm not totally convinced about the proof that 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.000 this show had to provide, though it is the most 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.800 scientific investigation I have seen of the claims. Most times 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.720 people just go and they're like, I feel a funny 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.199 aura over here or something like that. Um, so they did. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.520 They brought their tools and you know, did recording and 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.840 things like that, and they their proof that they presented 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:50.520 was some e m F activity and um electro magnetic 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:56.040 field activity. The theory behind that is that if a ghost, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.960 if some some paranormal activity were manifesting, that it messes 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:05.879 with the electro magnetic field in a given area, or 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.600 that entities can mess with the electromagnetic field given that 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:15.359 they are of kind of a different field. Does that 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.360 make sense? I mean, yeah, there's a lot of site. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.119 If this is something that interests you and you somehow 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.639 don't know about e MS, go out and research that. 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.960 It's it's it's kind of fascinating the science or pseudoscience 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.760 depending on what school of fire in behind it. This 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:33.920 kind of actually makes me wonder too, just as a 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.879 scientific thing, is is it possible to tasee a ghost? 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.520 I mean, God is not going to have any effect 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.080 on it. Maybe you can taste them? According to Ghostbusters, 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.399 you can. Okay, you really, what do you think they 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.240 were doing? That's good point. Yeah, actually that's a good point. 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.000 It just has to be a kind of more sophisticated taser. Yeah, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.960 just don't cross the streams and your fine. So this 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.960 investigation also got what I personally think. I've heard some 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.080 very convincing e vps, and I will tell you what 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.200 an e VP is in a second. I have heard 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.720 some very convincing e vps in my life that leave 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.720 me totally open minded to the fact that that might 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:14.400 be a real thing. This was not one of This 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.399 was something totally different. An e v P is an 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:23.240 electronic a voice phenomenon, which is basically, you like set 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.560 a recorder, a tape recorder or a voice recorder of 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.360 some kind on like on a table in a room 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:30.800 where you think it's haunted, and you just have a 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.560 conversation with nothing. You say, can you tell me your name. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:36.760 Can you tell me why you're so mad? Can you 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:38.240 tell me about you know, if you know their name? 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:42.520 You say, like, can you tell me is your name William? Um? William? 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.520 Why are you so mad all the time? You know? 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.560 Why do you do this? Blah blah blah, basically just 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.560 and then you leave a pause for an answer, and 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.560 then you play the tape back and sometimes there will 0:22:53.600 --> 0:23:01.000 be what sounds like responses from voices static background noise. Yeah, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.680 like I said, I have heard a wide variety of 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:09.960 convincing or not. Is this similar to that that pseudoscience 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.480 phenomenal where they use the white noise that the static 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.320 on the TV and then when they play it back 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:20.240 they hear voices in it or so that's but that's uh. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.440 And that's why I say I've seen a wide variety 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.840 because the one that they actually well, the one that 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.879 they used in this one, literally sounds like it's just 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.919 static boosted up really loud, and there's like kind of 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.480