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Anyways, every other 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: third week, wuld be six weeks. These two du faces 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: are Joe and Steve Right and um. This week we're 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: going to talk about out a mystery. It's a pretty 31 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: interesting one and we're going a little off the rails. 32 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: We're going boogie, going a little uggy boogie and you 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: know we're calling in a big old expert. Um. So 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: this week we're going to talk about the Pluckily Ghosts, 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: which is also the haunted village of Pluckily, or however 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: you want to talk about it. Plucky and Kent Plucky 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and Kent, yes, in Kent in the UK. And this 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: was a listeners suggestion by a listener named Chris. Thanks Chris, 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Thanks Chris. We're going to talk to you in a minute. Actually, 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: and I will say that I said, with the thumping 41 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: in the closet, is Joe, did you tie them up? 42 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: You're not. That's my ghost. Actually, I've been researching this one, 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: and apparently my ghost here in my house, which my 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: house is over ninety years old, I got a ghost, 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: and so I think my ghost is feeling a little jealous. Yeah, 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: it's not great. But I'll also say I had a 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: little conversation with one of our mods on the mom team, 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: and she said, I don't think you guys are going 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to do the Pluckily ghosts, but I would be even 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: more in love with you if you did. And so 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: I say, you're welcome. That makes me happy that she's 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: going to be happy. Yeah, you guys, ready to let's 53 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: talk about talk there are reported to be well, I 54 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: guess a quick overview of the case and then we'll 55 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: talk about Pluckily and then we'll get into something else. 56 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: This whole thing really started. They're about eighteen individual entities, 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: depending on where you go, some some say fifty. I mean, 58 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: it's it really varies, but they're up to eighteen individual 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: entities in Pluckly, as well as a mysterious mist and 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: weird screaming in the nights in the forest. So that's 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: kind of the mystery here is what's causing all of 62 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: this phenomena and if it's real or not. And we 63 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: didn't really want to do this by ourselves. So since 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: Chris suggested this, it turns out he is kind of 65 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: an expert at this stuff. He's got a pretty good 66 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: background in it. So on this story, on this story 67 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: pretty close. Yeah even today actually looks kind of close, 68 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and we trust his judgment don't make us look like idiots, 69 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: So we're gonna let him introduce himself. Okay, Well, I'm 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: Christopher Ripley. I'm an architect and author. I live in 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: Kent in the UK, but I work all over And 72 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: my background to this is that I used to live 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: very nearby, and I went to high school in a 74 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: town called Tenterdon, which is very very close to Bluckley, 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: Um and being that I'm from originally from Ashford, which 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: is lucky kind of on the way between Ashford and Tenterdon, 77 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: and I've sort of traveled through it, visited it, dranking 78 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: its pubs, and all sorts of things over the years. 79 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: So I've been there hundreds of times. If you couldn't tell. 80 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: We talked to Chris by Skype, So apologies in advance 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: for some of the quality of the interview, but we're 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: talking for a while. We talked stuff a long time, 83 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff out of You're gonna 84 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: get to hear most of that, but I'm going to 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: give you a quick little rundown before that happens. Pluckily 86 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: is part of the Ashford District of Kent in England. 87 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Kent is like the southeast part of the country by 88 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: the Channel. Yeah, the Channel, yep. If you don't know, 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know. Really, I don't know. I feel like 90 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot about the UK, and then I 91 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: like look it up and I'm like, oh, I actually 92 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: had no idea about Yeah, So Pluckily as a small 93 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 1: village set up kind of along some lanes. I think 94 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 1: it's kind of scattered actually all over the place. Yeah, 95 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: I would say it's kind of like a big old, 96 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: like almost wagon wheel type. It's not an actual wagon wheel, 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: but it's like a bunch of different offshoot lanes, yeah, 98 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: that comprise it. And it's kind of just I think 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: you kind of think you're out of it, and then 100 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: suddenly you're still in it. And it's just kind of 101 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: a defined little village. If you go to Google Maps 102 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: and Google plu, you get this one corner of it. 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: There's this one intersection where the Black Horse Pub is 104 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: in the main church that's kind of like and a 105 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: few other things. But then there's this other part that's 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: about a mile and a half south where the railroad 107 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: station is. But it's like, you know, and there's a 108 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: pub there and a railroad station, some houses and a 109 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: few things like that, but it's like there's all this 110 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: countryside in between, but they're kind of considered the same town, 111 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, so it's a little confusing. 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: Chris did mention that he even thought that Plucky was 113 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of an ill defined It's kind of up up 114 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: to anybody's judgment where it starts and where it ends 115 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: to quote Joe, is it a white spot in the road, 116 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: kind of actually several several white spots in the road. Yeah, 117 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: there's and there's a there's a triangle too, because like 118 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: over to the west of the Darrington Arms Pub, there's 119 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: yet another pub, the Blacksmith's Arms Pub, which again it 120 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: took me a while to find because I think it's over. 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: You think it's yeah, I think it's like this isn't in, 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: it's way way outside. But now there's still more. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 123 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: but maybe that's what attracts all the ghosts to this place. 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Maybe in fact there are no city limits. Yeah, there's 125 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: nothing keeping them in. Pluckily, for reference, has a population 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: of just over one thousand fifty people total, lip living 127 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: and then the eight teen dead. So we're gonna cut 128 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: in and out of this interview that we did with Chris. 129 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Let's just go ahead and let him tell us what 130 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: happened in Pluckly to kind of make it such a 131 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: hotbed for activity. Yeah, it is. It used to be 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: in the Guiness Book of Records. I believe it's not 133 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: in there anymore, but it was the most haunted place 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: in the UK. But taking your first point about the history, 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: it has such a long history for such a small place. 136 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: It's quite weird really. I mean it's been a settlement 137 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: um since before the Romans, so there's been people living 138 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: there in the main part of the village since then. 139 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: From then on, it sort of became like a feudal system, 140 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: so it had a family was originally the arch Bishop 141 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: of Canterbury, but then it became the family. The Deering 142 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: family sort of inherited the village and all of the 143 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: houses everything within the village which was basically part of 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: this family. And the deer In family, their sort of 145 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: history starts I think sort of around the eleventh century 146 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: and it sort of carries on all the way through 147 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: to the twentieth century, mid twentieth century. And the deer 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: In family themselves are kind of like, uh would have 149 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: been celebrities of their era. They were famous captains and 150 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: lieutenants and members of parliament, so they were widely respected, 151 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: they were widely known, and everybody in the village and 152 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: everybody locally sort of within in the County of Kent 153 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: and wider would have been aware of the deer In family. 154 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: And of course, being that they were such a large family, 155 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: lots of rumors, lots of gossip. You know, this isn't 156 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: a twenty first century invention. You know, people talking about others. 157 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: All these kind of rumors and legends and things that 158 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: sort of sprouted up from sort of their families um 159 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: doing and what whatever and then after the Fani to 160 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: the family. There's been quite a number of sort of 161 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: relatively sad and tragic events that have occurred from obviously 162 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the World War two and then sort of fires, suicides 163 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. So a lot of that 164 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: plays into the legend I think of the village. The 165 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: village was did have the plague years ago and it 166 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: suffered quite badly. A lot of people died from that, 167 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: so there's that sort of ties into the local myth. 168 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: There's been a number of sort of suicides and hangings 169 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: and uh sort of deaf and disease over over the years. 170 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: There was the loofwater dropped a bomb on Little Chart Church, 171 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: which although Little Chart was just outside the boundaries of Pluckily, 172 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: it was still part of the Deering estate. So that 173 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: happened in nineteen forty four. That was quite a tragic event. 174 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: And then there was also a meal that burnt down 175 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: within the village around the similar sort of time. So, 176 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: without getting into too many details, there has been a 177 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: very long association with sort of tragic events, um deaths, 178 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: even possible murders of suicides. I know another interesting fact 179 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: which I'll explain a little later on there is there 180 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: is this kind of mist that appears, and locally it 181 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: is known that there is a lot of carp crashes 182 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: that happen just geographically because of the area. I know 183 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: working for a company years ago that had an arm 184 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: that did deliver and it delivered in Pluckily, and about 185 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: two or three times every year they would have a 186 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: car crash. All right, Okay, so we we also asked 187 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: Chris um about this thing that happens. When you google Pluckily, 188 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about the Pluckly massacre, right, 189 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that if you've ever googled Pluckily or 190 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: done any research on it, you've seen this talk about 191 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: this huge massacre that happened. And so we asked Chris 192 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: is there any validity to the massacre or when did 193 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: that happen or anything like that, And this is what 194 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: he had to say. No, No, that that is a 195 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: recent Facebook poax. And of course, you know it should 196 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: be said that maybe there was a massacre, because massacres 197 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: can be metaphorical. Yeah, there's that, or maybe the Pluckily 198 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: high school soccer team, you know, I slaughtered some other 199 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: team from a nearby village and they called the massacre. 200 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: I don't think that Pluckily is large enough to have 201 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: a soccer team. Yeah, they have a soccer team member one. Yeah, 202 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: like what twelve people to have a soccer team? They 203 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: have a thousand people, they could have one, that's true. Okay, 204 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: all right, okay, or you can have you could add like, 205 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea how many people are a soccer team. 206 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: I made that. I just a bunch of guys running around. 207 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: But it's like girls. Yeah, when people humans live humans. Okay, 208 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: So I've were way off track here. Okay, So we 209 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: said that there were like eighteen an adolescent amount. That's 210 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: um And so we asked Chris, you know, who are 211 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: who are some of the more popular ones? What are 212 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: the more reported sitings? And so here's what he said 213 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: to us about that. Yeah. I think the most interesting one, 214 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: which gets confused as being two different ghosts, is a 215 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: lady which some people call the Gypsy Lady and other 216 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: people call it the watercress Lady. That's the water Cressley 217 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: be I know he could out in the middle of it. 218 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Some have her, as I've spoken to people that swear 219 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: blind that they've seen her, particularly back in the Deering 220 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: Arms pub again, the Hunting Lodge as it was. The 221 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: local legend is that she would pick watercress down by 222 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: the river um and then sell it. There's a big obviously, 223 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know him too much about Kent, 224 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: but it's called the Garden of England, and it produces 225 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: a lot of produce often is sold locally and shipped 226 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: up to London, or at least it used to be. 227 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Traditionally a lot of fruit and vege comes from abroad now. 228 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: So she would pick watercress in the sea, in the 229 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: in the river, sell it locally to be shipped up 230 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: and then she would spend all of her money drinking gin. 231 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: Uh and she would yeah, and she she lived under 232 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: the bridge supposedly, you know, she was a poor lady 233 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: and she survived just enough to fund her drinking habit, 234 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: by all of accounts. And she was in the Deering 235 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Arms pub one in drinking her gin. Supposedly she tripped 236 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: or and fell towards the fire. The spark came out 237 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: of the fire and lit her an apron alive and 238 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: then she just she just burned to death. That's that's 239 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: that's the rumor. Yeah, that's that's the local legend. That's 240 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: the one of all the ones probably life I've heard 241 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: of people have spoke to me about. That's the one 242 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: they've seen the most. And they usually see either sort 243 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: of loitering around near the bridge going out of the village, 244 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: or they've seen her actually sitting in the Deering Arms 245 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: pub drinking gin. And I know at least two people 246 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: who swear blind that when they've seen her in the 247 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: pub drinking, they just think it's a little old lady 248 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: sit in the corner drink gin. That's crazy. So yeah, 249 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, so are any other ones 250 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: that are kind of interesting or you you know, have 251 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: heard people talk about a lot. There's people get them 252 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: sometimes confused. But there's a red lady and a white lady. 253 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: People have seen, um, the white lady quite a bit. Um. 254 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: She was supposedly, I think a mistress of the deer 255 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: In family. Um that was a local girl in Plucky 256 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: and was sort of spurned. The red lady, I believe 257 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: was a family member of the deer In family. Again, 258 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: that was buried in the St. Nicolas Church. I always 259 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: thought it was quite funny that the church St. Nicholas, 260 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, named after Santa Claus. But hey, um, I 261 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: have a question about the Red Lady. Now, I swear 262 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: I saw somewhere that when she was buried, they put 263 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: her in like several lead caskets or something something crazy 264 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: like that. Is does that ring a bell? And is 265 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: do you know anything about that? Yeah? That that's supposedly true. 266 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: I believe there's been archaeological evidence to back that up. 267 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: But there is a leadline coffin in this crypt and 268 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: nobody knows for sure why. Some say it was to 269 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: preserve she's meant to be very very good looking to 270 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Some say it was meant to be an ass es 271 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: and an air tight seal to to preserve her looks. 272 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: Others say that she was riddled with the plague. So 273 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that makes sense. And then yeah, and 274 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: then the other there's another couple that people see quite often. 275 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: One is a highwayman that's near the Screaming Woods, which 276 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: we can talk about in a second. Yeah, okay, okay, 277 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: and the highwoman. And the other one that gets confused 278 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: with the hirewoman is is a coaching horses. And again 279 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: I know at least one person who sent the coaching 280 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: horses and thought it wasn't an actual coaching horses and 281 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: to it literally evaporated in front of them. Yeah, the 282 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: high woman is on his horse when you see him, right, Yeah, 283 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: he is the highwayman looks near the near the Screaming woods. 284 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: Are you aware of what a highwayman was? I heard 285 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: the story he got run through with a sword because 286 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: he was being overtaken by a bunch of enemies and 287 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, well they were basically that. I mean 288 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: most hime women were just local thieves like Dick Turpin 289 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: and like with the black bandana. You know, your money 290 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: or your life was their catchphrase, and he basically, yeah, 291 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: basically he had a run in and was murdered somewhere 292 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: near the Screaming Woods. Again local legend. There's not a 293 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: lot to sort of substantiate that one at all, like 294 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: most of these legends, but he's another one that with 295 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: the coaching horses is sin you know, fairly frequently. I 296 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: would say, Now there's just a circle back to the 297 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: watercress lady. Um. I've also read that she burned to 298 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: death on the bridge, maybe burned his death somewhere because 299 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: she was drinking alcohol. She was trying to let a 300 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: cigarette at the same time and it must have been 301 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: some high octaened alcohol because she spilled it on herself. Yeah. 302 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think that that was on the bridge because 303 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: people say, and that's why you see her under the bridge, 304 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: because that's where she died, or you see her sitting 305 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: on the ledge of the bridge smoking a pipe. She 306 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: really was my kind of lady man lesson about about 307 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: smoking and drinking at the same time. I guess she 308 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: probably figures at this point, like what's going again? Probably 309 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: not doesn't burn. Yeah. So there's also a lot of 310 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: activity around the Black Horse in which Chris is familiar with. 311 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: He's it's a pub now and then he said he 312 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: told us a story about Halloween drinking there, but um, 313 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: he didn't talk about paranormal activity there at all. But 314 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: I will mention um that one of my favorite shows, 315 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: Ghost Hunters inter National. I actually I liked Ghost Hunters 316 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: like the early season's Ghost National is a little too 317 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: stage for me. Yeah, a little a little too like 318 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: uh silly for me. I guess, um, you're like your 319 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: ghost hunting serious. Well, I mean the for those of 320 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: you who aren't familiar with the show, this is not 321 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: an actual plug for the show or anything. But they 322 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: did at the least in the beginning of the Ghost 323 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Hunters series try to take a really similar to what 324 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: we do, take a really skeptical approach to ghost hunting, 325 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: where they would go in and literally try to like 326 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: try anything they could think of to disprove or recreate 327 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: any of the phenomena that people were experiencing, and then 328 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: whatever was left over they would say was paranormal. But 329 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: one of them was always like, but that doesn't mean 330 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: it's ghosts. It just means I can't explain it to 331 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: you right now, which I appreciate anyway. This is a 332 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: kind of spinoff iteration that the guys are a little 333 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: more prone to believe in like anything that somebody tells them, 334 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: And it's kind of it's a little different. But Ghost 335 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: Tanner's International went to the Black Horse in and they 336 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: said that it was haunted or at least that there 337 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: was some paranormal activity there. The two around like you know, 338 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: like a thousand years right, It's yeah, it's an old 339 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: building and so you can imagine that some weird things 340 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: happened there. Yeah, you expect a little paranormal sounds. Yeah, 341 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: the two main entities all called them are that are 342 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: there are a little girl called Elizabeth, and then the baron, 343 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: who's they always name as William, and um, you may 344 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: not have figured guessed this, but they're pretty sure it 345 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: would have been William Dearing that unknown family name. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: I And I'm not totally convinced about the proof that 347 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: this show had to provide, though it is the most 348 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: scientific investigation I have seen of the claims. Most times 349 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: people just go and they're like, I feel a funny 350 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: aura over here or something like that. Um, so they did. 351 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: They brought their tools and you know, did recording and 352 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: things like that, and they their proof that they presented 353 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: was some e m F activity and um electro magnetic 354 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: field activity. The theory behind that is that if a ghost, 355 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: if some some paranormal activity were manifesting, that it messes 356 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: with the electro magnetic field in a given area, or 357 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: that entities can mess with the electromagnetic field given that 358 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: they are of kind of a different field. Does that 359 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: make sense? I mean, yeah, there's a lot of site. 360 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: If this is something that interests you and you somehow 361 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: don't know about e MS, go out and research that. 362 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of fascinating the science or pseudoscience 363 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: depending on what school of fire in behind it. This 364 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of actually makes me wonder too, just as a 365 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: scientific thing, is is it possible to tasee a ghost? 366 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, God is not going to have any effect 367 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: on it. Maybe you can taste them? According to Ghostbusters, 368 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: you can. Okay, you really, what do you think they 369 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: were doing? That's good point. Yeah, actually that's a good point. 370 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: It just has to be a kind of more sophisticated taser. Yeah, 371 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: just don't cross the streams and your fine. So this 372 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: investigation also got what I personally think. I've heard some 373 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: very convincing e vps, and I will tell you what 374 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: an e VP is in a second. I have heard 375 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: some very convincing e vps in my life that leave 376 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: me totally open minded to the fact that that might 377 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: be a real thing. This was not one of This 378 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: was something totally different. An e v P is an 379 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: electronic a voice phenomenon, which is basically, you like set 380 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: a recorder, a tape recorder or a voice recorder of 381 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: some kind on like on a table in a room 382 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: where you think it's haunted, and you just have a 383 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: conversation with nothing. You say, can you tell me your name. 384 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Can you tell me why you're so mad? Can you 385 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: tell me about you know, if you know their name? 386 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: You say, like, can you tell me is your name William? Um? William? 387 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: Why are you so mad all the time? You know? 388 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Why do you do this? Blah blah blah, basically just 389 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: and then you leave a pause for an answer, and 390 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: then you play the tape back and sometimes there will 391 00:22:53,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: be what sounds like responses from voices static background noise. Yeah, 392 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: like I said, I have heard a wide variety of 393 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: convincing or not. Is this similar to that that pseudoscience 394 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: phenomenal where they use the white noise that the static 395 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: on the TV and then when they play it back 396 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: they hear voices in it or so that's but that's uh. 397 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I say I've seen a wide variety 398 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: because the one that they actually well, the one that 399 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: they used in this one, literally sounds like it's just 400 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: static boosted up really loud, and there's like kind of 401 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: a weird variance, so it sounds like maybe somebody's maybe 402 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: possibly saying something. So it's not as good as in 403 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: that Kevin Bacon movie. Not as good, but I again 404 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I have heard so I mean not personally, I have 405 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: not been there, but I've heard on TV people play 406 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: back some e v P recordings that are it sounds 407 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: like somebody's sitting right there talking and it's on TV. 408 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: So I can't vouch for if they've faked it or 409 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: they probably have, but um, I will say that the 410 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: e v P recording that they that this particular investigation 411 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: caught at the black Horse End did not convince me. 412 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: But it does also seem like a super spooky place. 413 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: So you know, there's that. Let's get back to Chris. Hey, Chris, 414 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: he's been kind of waiting for a little bit. Sorry. 415 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: We asked if he could tell us if if he 416 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: had ever had any firsthand experiences in Pluckly or any 417 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: anybody he knew had firsthand experiences. I mean, we already 418 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of heard that he knows some people that, like, 419 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, swear up and down that they've seen the 420 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Watercrest lady in the bar. Um. Although, well, the Watercrest 421 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: lady is the one that hangs out in the bar. 422 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: That's a different one right now. She's the one who 423 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: hangs out in the bar drinking gin. She's the lady. Okay, 424 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: But isn't that somebody else that hangs out at the 425 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Daring Arms or is that crist too. I can't keep 426 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: it all straight. There's pubs, and it seems like every 427 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: one of them has a different Yeah, they all have 428 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: a token ghost. So let's let Chris tell us about 429 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: the experiences he had. He had three that he wanted 430 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: to share with us. Okay, well I've had three different things. 431 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: I'll start up with the least interesting. Work my way up. 432 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: The least interesting was I had a girlfriend who was Earlie. 433 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: Was a short relationship, but she was working as a 434 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: barmaid in the Deering Arms and every Wednesday, I remember 435 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: this clearly, it was her job to lock up. And 436 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: it was recently, I say recently he was. Back then 437 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: they had just changed the law that you can stay 438 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: open in a British pub if there's no objection up 439 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: until midnight. Yeah, it used to always be eleven o'clock 440 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: unless you lived, unless it was a city, and then 441 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: a certain later anyway, on this Wednesday when she had 442 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: to lock up. So the theory in Arms is quite 443 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: a large part of It's like an old guesthouse. It's 444 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: got lots of rooms upstairs, it's got quite a few rooms. Downstairs, 445 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: there's it looks like Norman bates Is parlor, you know, 446 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: there's loads of stuffed animals. There's a big log fire, 447 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: it's creepy. And this is the one where this lady 448 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: with the gin is supposedly drinks in. So anyway, every Wednesday, 449 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: and this went off for quite a few weeks, she 450 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: would ask me to come in around sort of half 451 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: ten eleven o'clock. She'd give me a drink cocacola or whatever, 452 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: and she wanted me to wait with her to look 453 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: at that. Basically, so every Wednesday I used to go 454 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: down there, and almost every Wednesday we would the locals 455 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: will be gone home by now, they'll be drunk. So 456 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: it would be about half a leven we're getting everything 457 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: closed up, getting shut all the doors, turn all the 458 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: lights off. And then around midnight when we left, every 459 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: every single evening, we would walk out to our cars 460 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: and there was this mist. And I touched on it earlier. 461 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: This mist was always waist height. It was always really 462 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: really thick. I mean it looked like the Riller music video, 463 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jackson. Yeah, And there was always this 464 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: quiet stillness every time. So I think there's an environmental 465 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: reason behind a lot of these legends. But that was 466 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: my first sort of creepy experience was seeing this physical 467 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: thick fog that was sort of waiste hike, And you know, 468 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything like that anywhere else in this 469 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: country other than yeah, that sounds kind of fun. Actually, 470 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: don't need to wear pants. That's the upside of the 471 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: whole thing. Upside. Yeah, there's a silver line in every 472 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: cloud or oh gosh, okay. Next one second experience, which 473 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: was incredibly weird. Um was about ten years ago and 474 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: me and my friend Anthony, we're driving back from our 475 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: a party that had been in Tenterdon and we was 476 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: using a short cut which sort of shortcut not right 477 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: through the village but sort asserted to the side of 478 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: the village. And it's a well known shortcut that a 479 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: lot of us use when we live in Ashford and 480 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: we're commuting to Tenerton because there's sort of one road 481 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: between ash and tens and often gets congested, but as 482 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: kind of force of habit, kind of quickness, we would 483 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: always take the short cut. It was a bit tristy 484 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: and turning, but you know, you could put your foot 485 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: down and we were going down this road. It was 486 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: about midnight. We were both completely sober. I will say 487 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: that now I was driving and Anstey had to be 488 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: up reasonably early because he had this thing to do 489 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: with the cars in the morning. And we were driving 490 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: down this road. And this road is a lane, so 491 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: it's only a single carriage. I mean, it's very very small. 492 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: If you have if you met another car, you'd have 493 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: to slow right down. And either side of the lane 494 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: is just filled open open fields for miles, complete darkness 495 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: apart from the moonlight. And as this couple man and 496 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: a woman walking sort of down this lane, uh, sort 497 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: of towards us, facing us, and they look like the 498 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: best way of describing them was they look like have 499 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: you seen the movie Beetle Juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 500 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: you know at the end with Alec Bording and Gina 501 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Davis doing that marriage thing and they're sort of slow. 502 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: Bill just got the spell on them and they're sort 503 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: of getting decrepit and falling apart. Remember that it become 504 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: all gault looking. Yeah, for this couple of walking there, 505 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: their faces are like that. It looks like they've got 506 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: a heavy makeup on and they were wearing these old 507 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: fashioned costumes that are all torn and dusty, and I 508 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: look like something at the sort of seventeenth century. And 509 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: I turned to Anthony and I'm quite you know, I'm 510 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: just I've been at a party or I'm doing a 511 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: good mood. I'm like, dude, look at these two. I mean, 512 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: they must have won the best fancy dress costume ever. 513 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't. No, it was sort of it was winter, 514 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It wasn't hall aween. So I said 515 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: to answering, you know they they must have won some 516 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: kind of fancy dress costume. I don't know how the 517 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: hell they're walking in the middle of nowhere like this, 518 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: dressed like that. And he turned to me and he 519 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: was like, dude, like that, that's just terrifying. I just 520 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: think that is the most scariest thing I've ever seen. 521 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it's just two people in costumes. 522 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's it's I think it 523 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: was a Saturday night or on Friday night or something. 524 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: There's one way that's just if you step on the 525 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: gas and drive through them. You either run them over 526 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: or you pass right through them like they're like they're 527 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: a mess. Well, well, the thing is just in case 528 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: they were real, and because you know anthon these sensitivities, 529 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: I turned the car around sound and drove back again. 530 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: So we went past them and I saw slowed down 531 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: looking at them, and they didn't look at us. They 532 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: just carried on walking and they looked like literally like 533 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: two people pull in fancy dress. We drove past them 534 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: slightly around the corner. I turned the car around, I 535 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: came back and they had gone huh. And to this 536 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: day we still argue over it. He says that ghosts. 537 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: I said that they probably just jumped in a ditch, 538 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: or they were scared that you were something You were 539 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: scared or something, or they were scared they were maybe 540 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: they just weren't sure about your intentions. And yeah, exactly, 541 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: But to this day, I don't know why those two 542 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: people were walking in down that road at that hour, 543 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: dressed like they were in the middle of nowhere, walking 544 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: too God those where Yeah, that's a weird one. And 545 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: then the third weird one, which I still can't um, 546 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: I still can't explain, And you're welcome to laugh at 547 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: me on this one if you haven't already been laughing 548 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: all the way through this going along, Well, the third 549 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: one is um. We were me and my father. This 550 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: was about up I think this was sort of uh now, 551 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: sort of mid nineties, late nineties. We were driving back 552 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: from the city of Brighton and this again, this was 553 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: almost the exact same stretch of roads, sort of two 554 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: miles down it. We were driving back towards Ashford and 555 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: this creature ran out in front of us and we 556 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: slammed the brakes on. This was nighttime again, um, probably 557 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: about winter, but probably about seven or eight o'clock in 558 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: the evening, and it was yeah, it was remember being 559 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: very very cold outside and would stand the brakes on 560 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: and it was what looked to me as a panther. 561 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: And I looked at him and I said, always in 562 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: the same thing here And we were just both staring 563 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: at this thing that was staring at us. Stare standing 564 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the road. And then he flashed 565 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: his lights and within a second the thing just darted 566 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: off into the forest, which was literally to the side 567 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: of the roads. It was black, um, its eyes sort 568 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: of shoe as we as we as our sort of 569 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: headlights lit the thing up, and it was long. It 570 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: was very close to the ground. I mean, I've grown 571 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: up with dogs as to this day, I've still got 572 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: different sort of dogs, and I know people that have 573 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: got sort of large dogs without the stations and greyhounds 574 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: and things like that, So I know what it isn't 575 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: and what it isn't. But this thing, I don't know 576 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: what it was. The bosest thing I could tell you 577 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: that it looked like was a panther, but as quick 578 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: as I saw it, that stood there for one or 579 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: two seconds then dotted off. I don't know. Well, hasn't 580 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: there been in the UK for god a couple of 581 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: decades now, a lot of talk of sightings of large cats. 582 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: This that seems like something that I've read quite a 583 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: few times. Yeah, well, and for context, right means itself 584 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: officially there are not large cats. They're just you know, 585 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: for clarification, right, although there are actually there's people around 586 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: here that have large cats in their own private that 587 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: you can some people can't privately own large cats, but 588 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: officially they're up in Scotland, there's some native sort of 589 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: bobcats longer had things that are quite rare. But officially 590 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: what happened, I mean, you could do a whole episode 591 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: on big cats in the UK, because it's a huge 592 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: phenomena over here. But officially what happened was in the 593 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: seventies they brought a Laura out banning people from owning 594 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: them unless they had a license, which meant had to 595 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: get a big pen and a big sanctuary to store 596 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: their animals in, because I think in the sixties some 597 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: of the pop stars had things like leopards and tigers 598 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: and things in their houses, and it became this giant 599 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: fad to have exotic animals. I mean, going back to 600 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: the Victorian times. I mean, I know one of my 601 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: ancestors out a pet monkey, you know, So it was 602 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: the rules were the rules were very very you know, lacks. 603 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: But in the seventies they brought it's very hard ruling 604 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: and then a lot of people that did have these big, 605 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: large animals, they either donated them to zoos and circuses 606 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: or and we know this for a fact, some of 607 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: the people did let their animals just go into the wild. 608 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: That's not unheard of forty years on, right, I mean, yeah, 609 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: I don't know how long these things live for, but 610 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: probably not an additional forty years, but you know, I 611 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: could be well, if there's more than one, though, they 612 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: can propagate unheard of you could. I still think it's 613 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: weird that you would have seen a creature like that. 614 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: That's a little weird, super weird, and it just happened 615 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: to be on the outskirts bluckly well, of course it was. 616 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: Uh So, one thing that Chris didn't really talk about 617 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: yet but we wanted to ask him about was the 618 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: Screaming Woods, because you'll see a lot about the Screaming 619 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: Woods and he kind of just glassed right over it. 620 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: So we asked him to talk more about the Screaming Woods. 621 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: The Screaming Woods, there's not a there's not a huge 622 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: amount of information on them. Inasmuch as there was supposedly 623 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: a suicide that happened in the Screaming Woods. There's also 624 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anywhere online, I haven't seen anywhere in 625 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: any textbooks, but locals have told me that there was 626 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: back in the sort of the Tutor era, that was 627 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: a number of hangings in the woods when the local 628 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: courts in Ashford or attended to maybe got overrun with 629 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: people that have done bad the deeds and had to 630 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: be hung, that they did use the screaming wooks to 631 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: hang some of these people, sort of you know, thieves 632 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: and murderers and things. Um, So I don't know if 633 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: that's strictly true, but that's that's kind of the legend 634 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: that some of the locals have told me. On that one. 635 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I also heard a story of a guy who fell 636 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: into a clay like a pit of clay bricks or 637 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: something like that. You heard that the brick works one, Yeah, 638 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: I heard of that one. Wasn't that also in the woods? Yeah? 639 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't in the woods. That was in a mason's 640 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: yard that sort of almost adjacent to the woods where 641 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: they were making in bricks and pots and different things 642 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: out of clay. Supposedly a young apprentice was working and 643 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: a wall of clay pots and a news clay fell 644 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: onto him and killed him. Um. It's one of these 645 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: ones that there's no sort of substantiation anywhere in any 646 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: of the text books or any of the history books. 647 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: That seems to be sort of word of mouth and 648 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: things that found their way on the internet. You know that. 649 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: Actually that brings up a question for me, which is, 650 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: of all of these ghosts that are there, how many 651 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: of them are based on things that are just local 652 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: stories and legends versus you know, do you do you have? 653 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: Is it like a fifty fifty. These ones we know 654 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: are real events, These ones we don't. Do you have 655 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: a sense on that probably, I'd say half because a 656 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: lot of the things that happened to the Daring family, 657 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: being that they were quite a grandiose family, a lot 658 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: of the events that happened in their lives through the 659 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: generations because they lived in the village for so long, 660 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: is actually quite well documented. Things like mistresses, uh, you know, 661 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: the the partner dying, illegitimate children. You know, the fire 662 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: for example, the windmill burning down, stuff like that. There's 663 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 1: quite a lot of those things that you can find 664 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: facts on in the history books in as as much 665 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: as their factual written at the time by by someone 666 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: that's recording it. Where you know, it's like all history, 667 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: whether it's atually true or not, you don't really know. 668 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: But a lot of those local legends, a lot of 669 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: those ghosts could be spawned from things that were happening 670 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: because of this very famous family that we're living there. 671 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: And so in the town of Barckley, I assume you 672 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: know some of the people they're their partisans of a 673 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: particular ghost or another. I mean, people argue about which 674 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: ghost is better or which ghost is more likely to 675 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: be real based on the number of sightings that kind 676 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: of thing. Well, there are always seems to be the village. 677 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: In the village, I don't want to talk about it, 678 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: or they don't think anything it's true at all, they've 679 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: never said anything. They think it's all rubbish. And then 680 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: the other usually the ones that are in the pubs, 681 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: I will I will say as well, yeah, are the 682 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: ones that know all the legends. They've seen all of them, 683 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: they know all of them, you know. And it's people 684 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: like me that's kind of an outsider because I don't 685 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: live in the village. It's people like me that sort 686 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: of picking through and looking at what people are saying 687 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: and trying to put it all together. But you know, 688 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: it is it definitely a fifty fifty split when it 689 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: comes to actual people that lived there. Now, all right, 690 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: So the three things we kind of have to tackle 691 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: are the mist the ghosts, and the screaming woods. So 692 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: that's the theory section. Yeah, those are kind of the 693 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: I guess we have to talk about theories about what 694 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: those might be, right, So it will be theory section. 695 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: But first I think we should probably take a little 696 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: boo break we're going to see the specter. Yeah, all right, 697 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: see you soon. This week, our sponsor has a mystery 698 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: to share who invented the postage stamp. 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We're back, We've re materialized. That 727 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: was half hearted, that's do. Re Materializing takes a lot 728 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: of energy. I don't know if you know that. Okay, 729 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: did you guys hear that thump? What? I think it 730 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: was a ghost? It was your cat? Oh no, wait 731 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: a minute, hint in my cord. Okay, all right, so 732 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: let's first let's talk about the missed. There it was 733 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: again the missed, which is weird? Is not so weird? 734 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: That just depends on local meteorological conditions. It does. And 735 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: actually I found a agriculture journel. Did I say that 736 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: word weird? Agriculture? Agricultural Agricultural Journal. That Yeah, that was 737 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: from eighty three, so pretty new. Yeah, that's that's fresh 738 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: off the press. Yeah uh, and it actually outlined what 739 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: that missed meant, like apparently that missed serves to predict 740 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: the weather for the next couple of days. But it's 741 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: been around. I mean, I think it's just a normal phenomena. 742 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 1: Well missed and fog are created when a cold front 743 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: encounters a warm air front, and as long as one 744 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: of them is laden with moisture, it's it's likely that 745 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: it will create a fox. Based on the geography the area, 746 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: it can funnel it into places and go and low 747 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: and behold there near the channel. So there's going to 748 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: be cold, they're coming out of there, that's going to 749 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: be moist So it makes total sense why get missed 750 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: all the time. And I will say I do understand 751 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty It is kind of creepy if you're you know, 752 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: coming out and it's this waste hime missed just constantly, 753 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: Like that's pretty creepy. And I don't have a good 754 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a meteorologist. I don't understand whether well enough 755 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: to understand if there's a reason for specifically placed missed 756 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: like the pressure actually assumption. I mean I've been a 757 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: miss like where it's like, you know, kind of like 758 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, knee high like that. Yeah, yeah, I've been. 759 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: I've never been exactly a waste high. Well, for me, 760 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: it's not the the exact height, it's the frequency with 761 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: which the mist appears at that height. Although on the 762 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: other hand, I will say that if it is every 763 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: night that it's at that same height, I would just 764 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: presume that it's some kind of geographical impact on geographical Yeah, 765 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: geographical impact on the way that missed settles into that area. Well, 766 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm pretty sure that I know why. 767 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: Nobody and pluckly has been able to scientifically prove that 768 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: it is just a difference in air temperature. Because at night, 769 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: when you hold the one thermometer up in the air 770 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: above your head, you can read it, but the one 771 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: that you stick down in the mist, you can't read 772 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: because it's in the mist, so they can't figure it out. 773 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: Your clutch gum both in your hot level hands. That 774 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: doesn't help either. True. True, So I mean missed, No, 775 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: the mist is this is not the only place where 776 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff happens. Actually, I get missed at 777 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: my house. Sometimes it's usually not waste time, but you know, 778 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: when you get it, mostly just because you don't clean 779 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: those Yeah, I mean outside, that's his burning bitter it. Okay, 780 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: well what about Okay, so much for the mist what 781 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: about the screaming woods. But by the way, I like 782 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: the screaming woods. I like the sound of it. I 783 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: like the screaming woods too, not the deering woods of 784 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: screaming woods. I have a theory about what's going on 785 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: in the screaming woods. Yeah, foxes, well, vixens, female foxes. 786 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: Have you heard them call? Oh? Yeah, they have a 787 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: really disturbing it literally sounds like screaming. Ya, literally sounds 788 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: like screaming. And yes, what there are lots of down 789 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: in buckets. Yeah, of foxes there you go. Okay, that 790 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,959 Speaker 1: settles that for the screaming woods. Well, no, that doesn't 791 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: settle it for the screaming woods, because the foxes are 792 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: not the only thing. There are a lot of things 793 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: that it can be. In the modern era. I really 794 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: have a feeling that it is locals screwing with tourists 795 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: and drunken tour is having a heyday in the woods, 796 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: and high school kids and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. 797 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: One thing I will say is weird, is I have 798 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: I watched a couple documentaries of people walking through Plucky 799 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: Woods at night. Documentaries they're technically documents documentaries or is 800 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: it ghost slash spook slash haunted, Hunters, slash Finders, slash 801 00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: investigators TV shows? No, mostly just like people with like cameras. Okay, 802 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: so not the guys with the reality crew following them. 803 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean I watched the one right. Oh, I tried 804 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: to watch a bunch of them. I watched the Ghost 805 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: Tenner National and then I just watched a bunch of 806 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: footage that people individuals had just uploaded. And I will say, yeah, yeah, 807 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: YouTube stuff. And I will say one thing I did 808 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: notice about Pluckily is it does seem like the birds 809 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: sing really late there. Like birds don't usually sing in 810 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. It's kind of weird. But 811 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: there are birds singing in the middle of the night. 812 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 1: So I don't really know what's going on there. That 813 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: could have been weird. It could have been shot in 814 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: the afternoon, but they did not use your camera's people 815 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: can't You can't easily manipulate, yeah, your video to make 816 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: it look like it's super creepy and dark. How many 817 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: TV shows have we watched where they're out at night 818 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: but you can tell it's daylight, but they've turned the 819 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: blue up really high. It's very obvious. So I will 820 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: say that's a bit. It's just the consistency with which 821 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: that happens is kind of odd. But um, you know, 822 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: there's I don't think there's anything paranormal about birds singing 823 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night necessarily. Yeah, one phenomena 824 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about a little bit as 825 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: a phenomena of people shooting video while holding their their 826 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: camera vertical instead of in portrait mode, instead of in 827 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: in landscape mode. I think that's an entire different episode 828 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: it is, But I just want to talk about how 829 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: annoying I find out. Yeah, you know, I think it 830 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: is a that's an episode in Yeah, okay, okay, okay, 831 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: So before war next week, we'll talk about that. Listen. 832 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: I have friends who were confused by the fact that 833 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: they went from portrait to landscape back to portrait while 834 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: shooting a continuous video with their phone and it didn't 835 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: auto rotate when they played it back. People. It's it's 836 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,760 Speaker 1: mind bottling to some Oh, yeah, that is my Yeah. 837 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: Uh so do you want to know there anything more? 838 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the Well, I'm done 839 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: with the woods. I know they've been talked about. They 840 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: talked about other stands of woods that have been chopped down, 841 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: but the screaming woods is still there, correct, Yes, the 842 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: only Okay. So I actually I have a question about 843 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: the woods that I didn't think to ask at the 844 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: time when we were doing the interview, and I didn't 845 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: really see it anywhere in my reading before the modern era. 846 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: At what frequency were these screams heard in the woods? 847 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: Was just an hourly, a nightly, a monthly or a year. 848 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,439 Speaker 1: I think it's an occasional kind of thing, Okay, which 849 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to know, Devon or you understanding, Okay, 850 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: I kind of had the same idea, which is why 851 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: I'm inclined to though Devon always says it's fox it's 852 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: this time to agree that it's Foxes. Yeah. I think 853 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: that it was happening like every day. I think the 854 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,439 Speaker 1: locals would have cut the woods down a long time ago. Sure, yeah, 855 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: m yeah, probably more Yea burned him, yeah, with pitchforks. 856 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,919 Speaker 1: So then the last one is ghosts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 857 00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: we got all these ghosts. We got the care I 858 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: like the aage. Yeah, the carriage is cool, that's pretty cool. Yeah, 859 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: I'd like to see that. That would be damn creepy 860 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: to run across that one, for sure. Yeah. Or a highwayman, 861 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know anything that's out of place that 862 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 1: you just see. It's kind of like, what but it's creepy. 863 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: The colonel, I'm not so sure about the how you 864 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: recognize that it was a colonel or not explain what 865 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: the colinl is? Again? The colonel was the one that 866 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: hung himself, right, Um that was afterwards? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 867 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 1: So I don't have a good theory for what the 868 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 1: ghosts could be except one. But it's not going to 869 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: make a lot of people happy. Well there's okay, there's 870 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: two theories. Actually, I guess I should I should be Well, 871 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: there's two mantes. I mean there there is a possibility 872 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 1: that they are real, and that's end of that theory. Right, 873 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: If they're real, then they're real. There's there needs no explanation. 874 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: But if they're not real, why aren't they real? And 875 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: one is actually Chris talked about this a little bit, 876 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: and we're just going to play a really quick clip 877 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: of his in a minute. But it could all be 878 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: a Victorian lie. Yeah, So let's listen to Chris talk 879 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: about this for a second and then we can keep 880 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: talking about it. But the interesting thing um in regards 881 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 1: to the Victorian society was it was around that time 882 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: when they had a train station built in the village 883 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: and not not every village has a train station. I 884 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,439 Speaker 1: mean that's quite rare, you know, as it goes for 885 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 1: villages in Kent. And this train station was connected to London. 886 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: So there is this idea that Victorian society, within the 887 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: newspaper and periodicals at the time, picked up on this 888 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: local legend, picked up on the different things that were happening, 889 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: kind of like sensationalized a lot of stuff in the 890 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: Victorian era, and then that sort of intrigued visitors to 891 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: come down from London and they could just come straight 892 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: down on the trend. So it kind of seems that 893 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: there's an explosion and a lot of this stuff around 894 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: that time. Well you know, you know it might be 895 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: a Scooby Doo conspiracy. You know, I would have got 896 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: away with them, damn meddling kids. If you look at 897 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: the Deerings. Well, if you look at the deering Arm 898 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,879 Speaker 1: and the Deerings, um when there was a census done, 899 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 1: there were so many different sort of trades and stores 900 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 1: and outlets and things within the village trying to make 901 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: a living. I mean, no less the watercress lady, for 902 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: heaven's sakes, um. So there may have been at a 903 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: village conspiracy, all the people selling and making stuff to 904 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: bring wealthy Londoners down, you know. So, I mean, that's 905 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty solid. My my, my problem with this 906 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 1: is that it's it's easy to say that that's what 907 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: they were doing because that was what their obsession was. 908 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: But I feel like some of this was happening before 909 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: and and I'll be very honest as usual, I don't 910 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: believe in this. I think that there's a lot of 911 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: very simple answers going on. And I mean, because if 912 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: if this place was such a thin spot, such a 913 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 1: magnet for people who died under bad circumstances to to 914 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: materialize again or showback up as a ghost, why well, 915 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: I mean, what makes it such a special place. It's 916 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: like that that when we talk to Gosh, this was 917 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: way back in the beginning that the dog Bridge the 918 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: bridge where they like people said, well, that was a 919 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,360 Speaker 1: thin spot. But yet nobody ever says what makes these 920 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: things what they are? It's just oh, well, I don't know, 921 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: it must be a thin spot. Well, you know, we 922 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: don't understand that stuff, so hey, who said it? It's 923 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: not I mean, didn't you watch Fringe. Yes, there was 924 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: no real explanation for why there were those certain thin spots. 925 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 1: But but thin spots is a total made up term. Mean, 926 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: it's like somebody said, there's a bunch of stuff going 927 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: on here, I don't know why. I'm just gonna say 928 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: it's a thin spot, and we all follow that like 929 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: it just I think a thin spot is a is 930 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: a term for it's like a placeholder to term, right, 931 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: because they think there are a lot of people who 932 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: are genuinely trying to do scientific research into paranormal stuff, right, 933 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: and we obviously don't understand, Like nobody knows what happens 934 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: after death, nobody knows if ghosts are real, like, like 935 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: genuinely knows, right, there are people who believe deeply, but 936 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: because we don't know, we don't have good evidence to 937 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: back that up. We don't know what a thin spot 938 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: might be, right, so I think it's that kind of 939 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: placeholder term where it's like, it's what we are referring 940 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: to as a thin spot until we can figure out 941 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: what it is, because they don't know. And I know 942 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: that like skives you out like you hate it when 943 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 1: somebody says, like, here's an explanation, but I don't know why. 944 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: But it's a similar thing with you know, before quantum 945 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: physics was really kind of expanded, you know, let's see, 946 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,839 Speaker 1: let's look at it this way too. It could be 947 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: that the actual concentration of ghosts, assuming that they're real, 948 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,839 Speaker 1: which I'm not, come down one side or the other. 949 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: It could be the concentration of the number of ghosts 950 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: and plucky are actually no greater than anywhere else. But 951 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 1: it could be because let's not forget people who have 952 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: been living in the same village for centuries, so pretty 953 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 1: much most of the people in that village share a 954 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: lot of jeans, and so there might be if you're 955 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,439 Speaker 1: a certain person who's a receiver that which is said, 956 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 1: you can receive thoughts from other people, you'll probably be 957 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: more likely to see the ghosts. Also, alternately, since it 958 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: is such a close knit group of people and it's 959 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: a smaller community, people may be more likely to actually 960 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: talk about and believe the people who are talking about 961 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: their experiences. Right, I mean, if you are living in Portland, 962 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: it's a cultural it's not a cultural taboo anymore. Well yeah, 963 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's not even just a taboo like Okay, 964 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,880 Speaker 1: So I guess to frame it like, we're we live 965 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: in Portland. It's not like huge, but it's not tiny. Right. 966 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: And you go and you sit down at a bar 967 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: and there's this guy that you don't really know, and 968 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: he starts talking about ghosts versus you live in a 969 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: place you know everybody, you know most of the people, 970 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 1: you've respect for them and their intelligence, you've known them 971 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: their whole life. And they start telling you about how 972 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 1: they saw a ghost. You're probably going to give it 973 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: at least a little bit more pause. There's gonna be 974 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more credit there than some random like 975 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: Joe off the streett random dude off the street. Yeah, 976 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: that's true because I know people. I I know at 977 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: least one person that I know who used to work 978 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: on a bar that I used to frequent who said 979 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: there was a ghost there, and other people said there 980 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: was a ghost there, and she told me a couple 981 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: of stories that were truly kind of hanky. I can 982 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: think of an explanation orchieth for them, but they were 983 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: still kind of creepy as hell. And that's that's my 984 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,799 Speaker 1: problem with this is I feel like somebody told the 985 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,720 Speaker 1: story once and other people are are retelling the story 986 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,280 Speaker 1: in their own version because something that they noticed after 987 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: the fact made them think that that thing wasn't there 988 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,319 Speaker 1: before and now it's there. But I mean, one of 989 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,320 Speaker 1: those one of those silly ghost finder ghost facer shows 990 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 1: that I was watching the guy was in this place 991 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,279 Speaker 1: and he's and he's talking into the camera, and it was. 992 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: And this is how I feel about most people who 993 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 1: say they have the encounters, because I don't find it 994 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: to be genuine. I'm not saying that people are lying 995 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: this guy. I do is I watched him and he's 996 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: talking into the camera and then he does this this 997 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: really dramatic pause and he points, oh my gosh, did 998 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 1: you see it? It was there? And he runs over 999 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,720 Speaker 1: and he's he's giving this such a dead pan, trying 1000 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: to sound sincere I saw this thing happened here, And 1001 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,319 Speaker 1: from the accountings that I've read, like the thing that 1002 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,799 Speaker 1: he described wasn't in any of the lore, so he 1003 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: was literally making guano up on the spot. It was 1004 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: in this isn't Plucky was in one of the churches. 1005 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: And so that's that's why I have such a difficulty, 1006 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: because you watch these things, you're like, it's it seems 1007 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: very clear that this is being made up for entertainment, 1008 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of times the entertainment 1009 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 1: value has gained so much steam, but it's gone on 1010 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: so long that the joke and the gag stopped two 1011 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: hundred years ago, and everybody else is just telling the 1012 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 1: same thing, thinking that it was meant to be real. 1013 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: Well I don't think, yeah, I don't think that. Probably 1014 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: Pluckily does not have actually did not have until fairly recently, 1015 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: and more than this fair share of ghost stories because 1016 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: every place you go to the somebody will say, oh, yeah, 1017 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: there's a ghost and not necessarily taking it to crypto seriously. 1018 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,320 Speaker 1: But then there was a BBC personality named Desmond Carrington, 1019 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: you guys may have heard of, who did both radio 1020 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: and TV for the BBC, and apparently he was like 1021 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 1: being interviewed for an article for TV Times, which is 1022 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 1: kind of like the version of the TV guys sometime 1023 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and he was sort of from east, 1024 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: from Kent, and I don't know how the topic came up, 1025 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: but he decided to like be you know, Pluckily already 1026 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: had a ghost story or two, and he decided to 1027 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,000 Speaker 1: just make up a bunch more honest and and and 1028 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: just basically that's what he did. He made up a 1029 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: lot of these characters on the spot. And and that's 1030 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: one way they might have made their way sort of 1031 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: into the popular conte They were written record before that, yeah, 1032 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: they were not. I don't think there was much of 1033 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: a written record really of Pluckley's ghost. There was sort 1034 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: of a vague fireside tradition, you know, that kind of 1035 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 1: thing that somebody else wrote a book. A guy named 1036 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 1: Francis sanders In published a book called Pluckley Was My Playground, 1037 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: which I think sold about two copies. And I mean, 1038 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: I I don't know how many people are really interested 1039 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: in hearing about somebody's childhood and Pluckily, I know I'm not. 1040 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: But apparently he recounted some of these stories too. But 1041 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: I looked for a copy online of Plucky Was My Playground, 1042 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 1: couldn't find one. So it was not even find out 1043 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,920 Speaker 1: exactly how many ghost he talked about. Yeah, I mean, 1044 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: I think it's it's an interesting story. I don't know, 1045 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know really where I fall. I feel like 1046 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 1: I fall more in the believing camp than than Steve 1047 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: for sure. All the time. Yeah I am, I am 1048 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: holding down the entire camp on this other side. Yeah, 1049 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,600 Speaker 1: but I also am not willing to totally discredit what 1050 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: people say they've said and experienced. So I think it's 1051 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: an interesting one. I think it's worth a stop on 1052 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: our trip over to the UK sometime in the future. Yeah, 1053 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 1: like five years, so that I would be sooner than that, 1054 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Actually, I just saw some great different rates. Okay, 1055 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: let's go and we'll go in the off season. So 1056 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,280 Speaker 1: do you guys have anything else you want to contribute 1057 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: to this? I know, I think I've probably said my 1058 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: piece and more. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, enough 1059 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 1: said Steve. Steve's the worst one. Last little thing. Chris 1060 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: has podcast. Actually it's two podcasts and they are relevant 1061 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: to your interests. So we're gonna let him tell you 1062 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,920 Speaker 1: about them real quick. So I host a co host 1063 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: the podcast scare Zone, which you can be found a 1064 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: scar Zone dot com. It's a podcast about Halloween Horror Knights, 1065 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 1: which is a Halloween themed event that happens at Universal 1066 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Studios in Orlando, Florida and in Hollywood, California. I also 1067 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,120 Speaker 1: write about that and do a lot of the history 1068 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: behind Universal Studios. You can look me up on Amazon. 1069 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,479 Speaker 1: It's Christopher Ripley and I've got five books at the moment, 1070 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: and I'm working on my six at the moment, and 1071 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,880 Speaker 1: then now we're going to wrap up. So if you 1072 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: want to if you live in plug if you are 1073 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 1: a ghosts plucky and you want to tell us your 1074 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: story and are able to operate a computer and mobile 1075 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: device or something, or you can just you know, think 1076 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: it really hard at us. I guess you could actually 1077 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: just come over here and piece a visit. But if 1078 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: you're an angry ghost, visit Devon, not me. No visit Steve. 1079 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to understand their accent. That's okay. Uh. 1080 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 1: You can. You can communicate to us via our email address. 1081 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: That email address is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. 1082 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: If you want to see some of the links to 1083 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: some of the research we did, um you can find 1084 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that online on our website. Which is Thinking Sideways podcast 1085 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,280 Speaker 1: dot com. On that you can also find links to 1086 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: our merch stores if you won't and also, um, on 1087 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: the sidebar, there's an episode list, which is a fully 1088 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: inclusive list of every single episode that we have done, 1089 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 1: every two hundred plus episodes that we've done. So if 1090 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: you're wondering, if you're if you're thinking that you might 1091 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,439 Speaker 1: write to to suggest something, Hey, maybe we've already done it. Yeah, 1092 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: it's possible. That's the best place to go. It is. 1093 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: I actually use it all the time when people suggests, 1094 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: although I will say, um, hopping over. We do have 1095 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: a Facebook and on the group, one of our moths 1096 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: did a really cool thing and put a note that 1097 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 1: also wasn't all inclusive list of our episodes, so you 1098 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: can find that there. Um, we've got a group and 1099 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,800 Speaker 1: a page, so you can like the page and follow 1100 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: the group. Right, that's how joined the group. Yeah, do 1101 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: those two things. You can find us on Twitter. We're 1102 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: thinking Sideways. We've got to subreddit as well for those 1103 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 1: of you who are redditors, and that is just thinking Sideways. 1104 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,240 Speaker 1: All that having been said, I think I'm just gonna 1105 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't poof on out of here. The ghost, I've 1106 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: been spirited away. I'm just gonna say bye bye, guys,