1 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. War. To paraphrase, the common figure of speech is heck, 2 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a pretty thing. It's been 3 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: an unfortunately common occurrence throughout the span of human history. 4 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Some people will even argue that it is an economic necessity. 5 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: But today we are here to tell you that war 6 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: can also be ridiculous. Hi, I'm Ben. I am no Ben. 7 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: You're your gamer, your fair weather gamer, like me, a 8 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: fair weather gamer. Uh there. I've had some pretty intense 9 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: gaming experiences, but I don't play video games every day, 10 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: and I'm not. I don't play games. That's right. That 11 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: kicks you out of kindergarten because I don't play, you don't. Um. 12 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's another good war. It never changes. That's 13 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: the opening line for the Fallout games, which i'm and 14 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, the point being that the war depicted in 15 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: those games is a future slash past, post apocalyptic nuclear war. UM. 16 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: But it never changes because it's all about the human 17 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: costs and about the stuff that goes on on the 18 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: ground and the way humans interact with each other. Um. 19 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: And in our story today, animals, yes, animals, of course 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: we're we're referring to actual non human animals, but we 21 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: like to begin every show with a shout out to 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: our favorite party animal superproducer Casey Pegram. So today we 23 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: want to open the story with, as you said, Noel, 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: a story of an animal. This is a little bit 25 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: of a legend. But travel back with us to four 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: nine were ce. There were two Arab tribes that were 27 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: tangentially related, right with the daib in perfect not bad, 28 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: not bad at all, not bad at all. Come out us, Internet, 29 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: Please come at us politely or or or with a 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: sense of humor. That's always good, that's great. That goes 31 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: a long way with us. So this this happens in 32 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: the in Arabia in the pre Islamic era, and supposedly 33 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: the story starts when a woman named al Bass went 34 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: to visit her niece, woman named Jelilla bent Mura Jalila. 35 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Although she was a member of the Baker tribe, this 36 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: can be a little confusing. She was married to a 37 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: guy named Koo Lab who was the leader of a 38 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: different tribe, the Toglub tribe. Right, that's right. He was 39 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: apparently a real pill about you know, ownership of stuff, 40 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: which would have been a pretty common trait back in 41 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: those days. I mean, you gotta what's mine is mine 42 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: where it's like a very mad Max kind of world 43 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: where you gotta protect your stuff or else you're gonna 44 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: get got. Do you get gotten or do you go 45 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: get Those are the choices. Are you a go getter? 46 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Are you get got her? Yeah? Right? And this guy club, 47 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: as you said, and he said, he's a bit of 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: a pill. He saw an unidentified camel in his territory 49 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: and he shot it with an arrow. But he did 50 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: not know that this camel was owned by a refugee 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: who was under the protection of al Bastle's the lady 52 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, right, and the man's name was sad 53 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: bin chaums. I believe that sounds good. Okay, great, quick 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: question right up front. You see an unidentified camel, you 55 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: know you see never mind, it feels like it needs it. 56 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: We don't know what that is. Why do you shoot it? 57 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Why don't you just wrangle it and take it? Why? 58 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Why why would you? Why would you kill a perfectly 59 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: good ship of the desert? I guess because you make 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: bad decisions, because well that's yeah, that's the theme here 61 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: for sure. Um So arrow is loosed into said camel 62 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and owner of said camel Alba sus Uh was wasn't 63 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: having it. Furious. She is livid. She is screaming, ranting, 64 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: and raving about this. She tells her nephew, Joss's, that 65 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: she has been personally humiliated. Joss's is also mad. He 66 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: hears about it. He gets steamed too, and he goes 67 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: to the leader of the Toglub tribe. This guy cool 68 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: job right, and he kills him. He kills his brother 69 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: in laws. Oh man, and uh this essentially, no, it did, Yeah, 70 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: it's not. Hedge beets here triggered, trigger warning war, war, 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: trigger a war that lasted, as the legend goes, uh 72 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: forty years between these two tribes and the idea of 73 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: warring tribes in this part of the country. Um there 74 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: remains to this day, does it not? Yeah? It does. 75 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: And what we see next after this confrontation in this 76 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: murder is a series of increasingly terrible events. So one 77 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: of Baker's allies thinks that this is kind of dumb. 78 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: We can't be killing real people over just one. You 79 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: see Roman around the desert. You are see unidentified Roman camel. 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: What do you think I like it? Okay, I don't 81 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: like it. It's it's it sucks, but I like I 82 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: like your I like the cut of your jim. You 83 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: like your camels, identified that's one thing you've always respected 84 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: about you. I do. But there's more bloodshed before we've 85 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: we've triggered this. This forty and this number forty comes 86 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: into play at least in the places we've read this. 87 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: So there is another leader of the Todd lab who 88 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: is the brother of the of the leader who was 89 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: killed the chieftain, right is that is that? Can we 90 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: used that term here? His name is al Mohahal al Mohallal. 91 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: I like that, And he wants to to get you 92 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: snip this in the bud, you know, let's do with truth. 93 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: And there was apparently I'm reading this really great article 94 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: that sums this up beautifully on revolv dot com. There 95 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: was a tradition here that you would send one of 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: your own, putting your bloodline at risk, you know, as 97 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: an emissary to make peace. So he sent his son 98 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: oh Jare to parlay with the bakar Um and they 99 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: killed him right away. Yeah, this camel beef is intense. 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. Maybe it's because I'm hungry, 101 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: but it was completely expected that when oh jare traveled 102 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: to sue for peace, he would be forgiven because they 103 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: were obeying the traditional rules and more's for this kind 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: of situation. But al mohall Hall, as you said, completely 105 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: broke murdered ojeer. And then this is where the number 106 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: four he comes back into play, right because the father 107 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: who is mourning this Alahari he been a bad recites 108 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: a poem of forty verses. Yeah, he was the one 109 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: that wasn't having it. That was like, come on, guys, 110 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: we can fix this. But now they've crossed the line. 111 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: They've killed his son. Um, he's he's he's just free 112 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: forming this misery poem um, and it all becomes kind 113 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: of part of the war. He gets his men to 114 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: shave their heads, to shave their horses manes and tails off, 115 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: and now that becomes a tradition to an Arabic culture. 116 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: It's a sign of you grieving until you have gotten 117 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Here's the kicker here, revenge, because we all know revenge 118 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: is a sticky wicket because even when you get it, 119 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: or the perception of revenge, you don't really feel better. 120 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: And it's something that you just kind of can go 121 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: on seeking. Everywhere you see you see it. Does you 122 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean, well, I think it's 123 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: it's true. You know, revenge is as damaging to the 124 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: persons seeking vengeance as it is to their target. Often. 125 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: This war, which continued, as we said, for forty years 126 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: again over u r C, absolutely led to a massacre 127 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: of the Togglub tribe and almost into the tribe altogether. 128 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: The last few tag Club when they were still alive. 129 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: The tribal leader we mentioned, the poet al Harith ibn Abbad, 130 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: said his famous quote, I will not talk to Todd 131 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Club until Earth talks to me. In other words, never never, Yeah, 132 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: because Earth don't talk, Earth don't talk. No. But yeah. 133 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about this, and as it's a 134 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: good set piece, got kind of kick off this episode 135 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: is the term bassis war kind of became a stand 136 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: in for a pointless and stupid war, a pointless beef. Yes, 137 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: there is a there is a happy ending too, Bosses war. Yeah. 138 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: The way the story goes, and again this is a 139 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: story is that when the Togglub tribe thought it was 140 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: going to be the end of days for them, in desperation, 141 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: they dug a trench along the road where this al 142 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: Harriff guy was passing by and a man from the 143 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: tribe hit there in the trench. And while the guy 144 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: was riding by, this member of the Talcol tribe recited 145 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: a poem asking for forgiveness and technically fulfilling the condition 146 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: of the earth, speaking to what al harif. Here's tricksy, 147 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: here's the crazy thing. It worked and the war ended. 148 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: It is very strange. Poetry seems to play a very 149 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: powerful role here. Well, here's the thing that too, As 150 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: as the case for a lot of these larger than 151 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: life historical accounts, it's more than a little liberty taken, 152 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: you know. Um. There's a great article from I OH 153 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: nine called ten the ten most Insignificant Wars in History, um, 154 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: of which this is one in the list. And they're 155 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: kind of asking how much this is true what they've 156 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: discovered and we have confirmed and what we've read as 157 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: well is that yeah, they're most likely was a war 158 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: in four nine four see um, when stuff like this 159 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: happened in this flavor. Um. But this notion of a 160 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: war lasting for this war lasting forty years is probably 161 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: a little bit overstate. In the case you ever heard 162 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: of any other wars that lasted forty years, been wasn't 163 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: a little thing called war? First of creativity, we got 164 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: forty verses in this Sadness poem one first year. Um. 165 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: And then there's another story in this Anon article that's 166 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: very similar from around the same time that talks about 167 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: these two particularly warring tribes because there were a lot 168 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: of tribes. This was a tribal culture, right, This was 169 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: not just like a left and right situation. There were 170 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: tons of these factions, you know. And another story talks 171 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: about two tribes that went to war for forty because 172 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't decide which had one a horse race. And 173 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: this is just the beginning. If you were a fan 174 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: of our Weird People who Built Weird Stuff episode, which 175 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: we still are receiving emails about and thank you very much, 176 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: then you are going to enjoy this grab bag. Today 177 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: we are inspired to explore other wars that began for 178 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: ridiculous reasons. Uh. And also along the way we will 179 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: help determine how much truth there is or how little 180 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: truth there is to these stories. What what what do 181 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: you got? Nold? Well, I just want to like got 182 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit, our back pedal. Rather, I sat 183 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: up at the beginning of the show that a lot 184 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: of these had to do with animals, which is very true, 185 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: but also inanimate objects and severed body parts. Yes, yeah, 186 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: that's true. How don't you go first if you want 187 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: to go body parts? Yeah? All right, okay, Uh. This 188 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: this is one that really stood out to me. There 189 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: was a war between Great Britain in Spain that began 190 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: in October seventeen thirty nine, and it eventually merged into 191 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: the War of the Austrian Secession. This war today is 192 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: known as the War of Jenkins. Ear was this Jenkins? Oh? Yes, 193 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: Jenkins Jenkins Jenkins the Welsh master mariner Robert Jenkins, who 194 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: is now uh slightly less famous than his own ear 195 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: So he was born around the seventeen thirties forties. Uh. 196 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: He was returning from a trading voyage in the West 197 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Indies in charge of a brig named Rebecca in seventeen 198 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: thirty one when his ship was stopped and boarded by 199 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: h privateer ship the law Isabella, on suspicion of smuggling. 200 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: And here's where the story gets into allegedly territory. The 201 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: commander of Lizabela was a guy named one de Leone Fondino, 202 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: and he had Jenkins tied up to a mast. He 203 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: sliced one of Jenkinson's ears off with his sword and 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: then told him to tell the British King the same 205 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: will happen to him if he's caught doing the same. 206 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 1: This reminds me of rominds me of that scene and 207 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Reservoir Dogs where Mr Blonde played by Michael Madison is 208 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: torturing the poor tied up uh police officer, undercover police officer, 209 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: and he slices his ear off, and he's dancing around 210 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: and him with his severed ear and pours gasoling on 211 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: him and all that stuff. Um, yeah, I wonder if 212 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if that was inspired by the War of 213 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: jenkins Ear. We we can only hope I would. I 214 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: would love it if. In an interview later, Quentin Tarantino says, okay, 215 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: the you know, the parrots out of the pouch, this 216 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: parrots out of the purse or whatever. This is entirely 217 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: my exploration of the War of jenkins Ear. But it 218 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: was a real thing. So he survives, Jenkins survives, and 219 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: which point out it was his left ear according to 220 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: the story. There's another version of the story that was 221 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: published in the Pennsylvania Gazette in seventeen thirty one. Same year, 222 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: it was October, a few months after the event, and 223 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: it says that it was actually a Spanish lieutenant known 224 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: as Dorsey who cut off Jenkins's left ear, and then 225 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: another Spanish crew member took it and tore it off, 226 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: but then gave it back to him and said take 227 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: that to the king. I know, grizzly stuff. Did we 228 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: talk about the groundwork for this ear? Ear? Beef? Like? 229 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: What were they? What were they fighting for? There? We 230 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: was there was a lot of context already here, right, 231 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: because this has got southern roots, stundant, like our nick 232 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: of the Woods. Yeah, break it down a little bit, um, Well, 233 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: just just that it was a conflict between land. Um. 234 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: That was that the Spanish and English were at odds 235 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: over in South Carolina and Florida. But this has been 236 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: going on for like hundreds of years, right, um. And 237 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: then you had the formal conflict starting in seventeen thirty nine, 238 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and this is you know, Georgia had been founded as 239 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: a colony by this point, right, Yeah. You can find 240 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: excellent article on Georgia Encyclopedia dot org about this by 241 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: Julie Ann sweet and it it really I think drives 242 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: home the significance of this for colonial Georgia because in 243 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: a lot of these cases, we're going to see what 244 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: these various wars. There might be one thing that happened 245 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: that is a good story, and so we named the 246 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: war after that, but there's almost always a ton of 247 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: other context or other factors that have commingled and driven 248 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: the two nations and conflict into an open war. Yeah, 249 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: and the arrow that you know shot the the she 250 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: camel in the neck right there, we go exactly a 251 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: nice way to bring it back around Noll. So Robert Jenkins, 252 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: we should also point out what he was doing when 253 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: he was smuggling. He was also raiding Spanish ships. That's 254 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: why he was being attacked and humiliated. But he did 255 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: not die after they after they let him go and 256 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: with or without giving him his his ear, which remains 257 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: a subject of debate today. He made it back to 258 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: Britain and in June of the same year he told 259 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: the King about what happened. He gave a deposition that 260 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: was passed to the Duke of Newcastle, who at that 261 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: time was the Secretary for the Southern Colonies, so in 262 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: charge of Georgia as well, and he said that the 263 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Spanish captain quote took hold of his left ear with 264 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: his cutlass, slit it down, and then another of the 265 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: Spaniards took hold of it and tore it off, but 266 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: gave him the piece of his ear. Again. What do 267 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: you think it would sound like to have your ear 268 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: ripped off? It's probably like a wet lower sound actually 269 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: like no, no, it's wetter than that. I think it 270 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: would also, it would think it would start low and 271 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: then go high. No, it's gonna rip. It might go 272 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: the other way around, because as you're losing the year, 273 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, and then you scream, You definitely scream. Oh, 274 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: And what would it sound like to you? I thought 275 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: the what I mean, that's okay to you in your 276 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: own your whole that would be all that was left. 277 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: We have gotten grizzly with this. I think that's very 278 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: interesting from a scientific perspective. Let us know what you 279 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: think you ever had ear torn off? Don't do it 280 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: just for this, please let us know. So after this, 281 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: there's another there's another myth here. You'll here claims that 282 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: in seventeen eight, just before the war formally begins, Jenkins 283 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: tells his story in an embellished version before members of 284 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: the House of Commons, and then fart way through this 285 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: story check this out, he pulls out a jar where 286 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: he's got his pickled ear. Yeah, I think that's so weird. 287 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: There's no proof though, Well do you think, because in 288 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: those days it's something like that happened, do you think 289 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: there was any hope that you would ever get it reattached? 290 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: It was pretty much just like it's done, right, Yeah, 291 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: it's done. The best you can do is put it 292 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: in a jar to show people at pennies if it's 293 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: still if it's still like partially attached, to pay on 294 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: how it was cut. It be possible maybe to sew 295 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: it back together and hope for the best, right, But 296 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: chances are I would just rot it would like it 297 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: would it would not? Yeah, yeah, right to us if 298 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: you just ripped your ear off and then sewed it back, 299 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: tell us what it's sound. But medical science, you know what, 300 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: they can help you out. Back back in these days 301 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: that the jar was was about the best you could 302 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: hope for. You keep it on the nightstand, you use 303 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: it as like a like a table setting ice breaker. Yeah, 304 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, good conversation starter, Yeah, but what was the results? 305 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: Here's the thing too about these wars again, so much context, 306 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: so much conflict. You get a name like this attached 307 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: to something because it's got it's got hoot spot, you know, 308 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: it gives it, it gives it a sense of grandiosity 309 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: or whatever legs it's got well yeah, or ears, yeah, whatever, 310 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: But what was the outcome? So eventually, whether or not 311 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: he actually appeared with his severty or in front of 312 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: the House of Commons, the Parliament begins pushing the keen 313 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: to seek compensation, redress, apologies for Spain is going to 314 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: be a theme in many of these conflicts. Yeah. I 315 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: don't think we got into it with the camel situation, 316 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: but I bet you there was. Maybe they didn't. They 317 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: were so incense. There wasn't even discussion of pay me 318 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: for the loss of my camel. It was much more 319 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: based on just sheer outrage and the principles. And they 320 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: tried to send Yeah it's a shame, but so they 321 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: did attempt diplomacy. But by seventeen thirty nine that was 322 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: clearly not going to be a viable path. So King 323 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: George said, uh. In July ten, he told his Admiralty 324 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Board two start quote initiating reprisals against Spain. So at 325 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: this point the Governor um of the British Colony of Georgia, 326 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: James Oglethorpe, got involved and he amassed some forces and 327 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: went into Florida, took down some Spanish forts. We've got 328 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: your Fort Picco Latta and you've got your fort San Francisco. 329 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: Du Popo Popo. I'm gonna go with Popo, p u po. Okay, 330 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that um. And yeah, I went 331 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: into parts of Florida St. Augustine Um along the St. 332 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: John's River and again fantastic information coming from Georgia Encyclopedia 333 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: dot org um. And his aim was to cut off 334 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: supplies to the Spanish um and you know, kind of 335 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: head them off of the pass and get those supplies 336 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: from the forts, and then the Spanish you're going to 337 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: arrive the forces that were deployed in this situation. And uh, 338 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of what his whole strategy was there, right right, 339 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: And denying access to resources is a tried and true 340 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: method of warfare. But I guess for whatever reason, it 341 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: didn't quite work out the way he wanted and he 342 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: ended up having to kind of take a step back 343 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: and just seeing where the pieces fell. When the Spanish 344 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: finally did show up and invade, and that happened in 345 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: the summer of seventeen forty two Spanish forces landed on 346 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: the tip of St. Simon's Island. They got together to 347 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: just the tip, just the tip. They got together to 348 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: attack Fort Frederica. Uh, no relation to our long time 349 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: from Matt Frederick or maybe there is, you know, we 350 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: have to check. But but so, Oglethorpe was having already 351 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: having a problem with organizing his army. I believe he 352 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of diverse commanders in the siege that 353 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: he had. An attempted didn't work because he could not 354 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: coordinate the navel and land based assaults. But as soon 355 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: as the English forces got word of the Spanish parties arriving, 356 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: I think they found a scouting party, Oglethorpe aggressively led 357 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: a charge against the Spanish. What did they do? Well? 358 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: I got one for you about a question, Um, what's 359 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: the difference between a battle and a skirmish? A battle 360 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: in a skirmish, you know, I don't know whether there 361 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: is a technical, hard and fast difference. It's like the 362 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: differen between a fight versus a scrap you know, right right, 363 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: or an argument versus a spat a tiff. Perhaps, Yeah, 364 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. So I would imagine 365 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: if we're just speculating, and I think you can go 366 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: with me on this, if we're just speculating, I would 367 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: I would imagine that a skirmish is probably lower in 368 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: terms of number of people injured and a number of 369 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: people killed. You know what I mean, It's like shots fired. Well. 370 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: My friend Webster describes a skirmish as an episode of 371 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts 372 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: of armies or so ships in the night. They bump 373 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: into each other, not the big show. Yeah yeah, and 374 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: they go, holy smokes, did kill it's them exactly, And 375 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: they freak out and then people die. Half the people 376 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: scream kill, half the people scream run. And you know, 377 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure we know this too. You can use skirmish 378 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: as a verb. You can be you can you can 379 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: you know so there skirmishing? Yes? Yes? Uh. And also 380 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: this is American English, which I love because it means 381 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: we can use almost anything as a verb. We can 382 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: say that you got jenkins or you Jenkins. That so 383 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: for our purposes here, but we're not a military history 384 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: deep dive show. The point being is that all of this, 385 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: all of these uh skirmishes and battles and and fracases 386 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: and TIFFs and what have you and deaths um all 387 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: resulted from a smuggler being kind of tortured. Mr. Blonde style. 388 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: The story of a smuggler. That's the thing, right, because 389 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: the story is way cooler, because I'm already kind of 390 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: getting a little snoozed out going through every little stories. 391 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: But the story are important in that they are the 392 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: easiest way to motivate absolute population. Ultimately, if we fast 393 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: forward a bit, UH, the end of this war occurs 394 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: at the Treaty of ox La Chapelle in seventeen forty eight, 395 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: and it returns all the colonial claims to the previous owners, 396 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: and the two nations unofficially agree on the border between 397 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida, and they name it, they say the 398 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: Saint John River the St. John's River rather, And because 399 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: of this war, because of Oglethorpe's actions, and because at 400 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: least in some aspect, because a guy named Robert Jenkins 401 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: got his ear cut off, Georgia remained an English possession. So, uh, 402 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: you know if somebody, if your friend gets their ear 403 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: cut off, don't don't feel like you have to wage 404 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: war over it. Yeah took go crying over sliced ears. Yeah, 405 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: so you cry. I'd cry. I don't know if it 406 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: was my ear or the ear of loved one. I 407 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: would go into like deep meditation techniques to try to 408 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: not feel it. They got to a hospital or bandage. 409 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: I think, what sets what set what sets these stories 410 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: not not apart at all, what puts them together, what 411 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: what joins them, is that it's these kind of simple 412 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: acts that have the power to push humans in positions 413 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: to create huge, horrible, long lasting consequences and conflicts to 414 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: their limits and they get it done. But as you say, 415 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: we've talked about this constantly with these powder keg moments, 416 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: and like history, you always hear about the moment, but 417 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: then the details are always there, the context as always, 418 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: and we find the moment retroactively too often. You know, 419 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: we have somebody who looks back when they're writing about 420 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: an event that occurred hundreds of years ago, and they go, oh, 421 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: it's because of that, It's because that's what it was. 422 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: But we have more examples, and no, you found one 423 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: that really fascinated me. All right, well I had to 424 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: one about an inanimate object and one about um uh 425 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: an animal. Which one would you like to hear? Oh? Man, okay, 426 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: let's let's go to the inanimate object and then because 427 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: it'd be nice to circle back with the animal. Yeah, okay, 428 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: I'm down with that. The inanimate object in question, my friend, 429 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: is a bucket. A bucket? A bucket? Could they could? 430 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: I ask you just this is the honest question. Is 431 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: this thing gonna end up being called the Bucket War? Yeah? 432 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Or the War of the Buckets, or you know, the 433 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: the Skirmish of the pale Yeah, whatever, But this one 434 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: was pretty gnarly, uh you know, as was the We 435 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: didn't talk about deaths in the jenkins Ear War. A 436 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of people died. It's cool, very tragic figured as 437 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: much I mean cool, like the cool they died, this 438 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: meant like cool. We we we got that out. We 439 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: admitted that war is tragic, war is with people. That 440 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: it's heck as you say, is that an acronym? What 441 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: is heck is? It's a good, good, good clean Christian 442 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: boy stand in for the other word. Yep. Which we 443 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: can say on this show is a show, I know, 444 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: but I like saying heck, I know, it's very endearing, 445 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: thank you. So So the Bucket War, the Bucket War. 446 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: When did this happen? Well, it was in thirty five. 447 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: And this also involves clashes between let's call them clans, 448 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: I guess for lack of a better No, it's fine, 449 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: but we don't need a better one. We're gonna go 450 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: with clans, family, family communities, right, or they're bonded through 451 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: biological relationship. This is right, This is correct. And you 452 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: know a medieval society, family was everything right, and you 453 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: would organize around family and it was all about your 454 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: house and you know that, you know, and I'm just 455 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: using Game of Thrones rules here, but I'm pretty sure 456 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: that was all based on our boy George or Martin 457 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: did his homework so we didn't have to. Yeah, just 458 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: check out his audio books. You need to finish those 459 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: books though, George. Come on, man, the show is gonna out. 460 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: It's not happening, it's it's never coming out. Yeah. So 461 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: this particular clash of clans was between the Ghibellines and 462 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: the Guelfs. Sounds like made up doctor who aliens, the Guelfs. 463 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it was gelf Lins, but that was in the 464 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: dark Crystal. I think the little puppet guys and the 465 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: bad guys were the slee Stacks. That that's close. They 466 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: were the Skexies. Skexes what a slee stacks. Slee Stacks 467 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: are from Land of the Lost. Do you remember that show? Oh? Yeah, 468 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: kind of thing where it was like time travel. They 469 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: accidentally stepped through a portal into the Land of the Loss. Yeah, 470 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: and it's always explained in the theme song, Oh I 471 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: love it, I love It's They're like we were in 472 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: a boat and then you're living in the Land of 473 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: the Lost. Yeah. There, slee Stacks were evil creatures who 474 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: would evolve to anthropomorphoid forms from reptile Okay, okay, well 475 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: there's none of that in this particular conflict. This is 476 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: strictly human, you know, reptilians or weird little elf people 477 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: fashioned by the Jim Henson studio. Buckets, right, definitely buckets. 478 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: So here's the thing I might need to help from 479 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: you with this, because these are always just like a 480 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: bit of a mind a mind frack um. You've got 481 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: these warring sides that support different head haunt schows of God. Right, 482 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: So we've got the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Barbosa, who 483 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: was also the King of Germany, and then you have 484 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: the Pope right, yeah, yeah, you specifically have Pope John two. 485 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: All of this began or kicked off in earnest Um, 486 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: or this conflict in the region when the Holy Roman 487 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: Emperor Frederick Barbosa uh invaded Italy Um. And he did 488 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: this with what he believed was God's blessing as like 489 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: like crowning him for all intents and purposes, as God's 490 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: conduit on earth. But that didn't fly super well with 491 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: others who believed that the Pope was the only one 492 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: that was crowned with God's conduitness and that was that 493 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: was the normal thing, that was that was the established norm. 494 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: And uh, you were telling me that the Guelfs and 495 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: the Ghibellines were on different sides of this. That is 496 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, because you see, the Ghibellines supported the Emperor, 497 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Emperor in this conflict, and the Guelfs 498 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: supported the Pope Um and Italy was just a loose agglomeration. 499 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: He taught me that word. Man, I'm gonna keep using um. 500 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Of these little city states kind of and like the 501 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: story we've talked about with the Alabastas War and honestly 502 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: with the Jenkins Ear, you've got these folks that think 503 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: they own the border. Like if you're at a border area, 504 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: you're like, now, this is mine. Because there's no official lines, 505 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: it's probably based on some geographical thing, but that's all 506 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: up for debate, especially when you start beefing with each other. 507 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: And um So, eventually Frederick was Austin. They kicked him out. 508 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: He was done. You know. The Pope ultimately rained rained 509 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: supreme in these early disagreements, but that did not mean 510 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: that there were not sympathizers that remained. So he kind 511 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: of had his uh ultimate um fu moment by leaving 512 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: the country kind of completely divided. Right, So you still 513 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: have these warring city states, and then you had these 514 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: opposing you know groups. I think it's the Pope who 515 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: is the direct communicator with God. I think it's the 516 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Holy Roman Emperor. Now we now we fight, and it's 517 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: complicated because with these shifting borders for these city states, 518 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: one state could largely support the Holy Roman Emperor and 519 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: one state could largely support the Pope. And the problem 520 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: is that these could be very close together, especially in 521 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: the example of Modena and Bologna. Right, yes, And I 522 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: think at the top of this section I mentioned that 523 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: um this took place in Castello de serreval and in 524 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: the region that is Emilia Mania. That's what it would 525 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: be referred to as today. At the time of this 526 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: um this, this story, they were, as you say, ben 527 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Modemia and Bologna, and those are barely thirty miles apart, 528 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: or maybe around thirty apart. So tensions are always always 529 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: going to be high. They're virtually adjacent to each other. 530 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: It seems like an unsustainable situation, I'm just guessing. And 531 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: here here we are back with a lot of skirmishes 532 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: because they're gonna be called that. They're not going to 533 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: be full all out wars. They're just gonna be little 534 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: conflicts between folks standing on opposite sides of the particular borders. 535 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: Uh and and this bucket war is just such an event. 536 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: So they're rating farms and uh their burning fields, generally 537 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: thumbing the nose of the opposition, you know, and just 538 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: kind of trying to mess them up because they fundamentally 539 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: disagree with what everything they stand for. And yet they're 540 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: somehow neighbors, right, Okay, all right, so ben, as you 541 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: say in five we've got these uh what mini fights, 542 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: these skirmishes. Yes, we're going with that. That's that's the 543 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: new way. Um. And they just keep happening, and then 544 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: things keep escalating. Then finally in July, um, you've got 545 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: some of these bolonaise. Uh. I can't say that without 546 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: getting hungry and delicious. So we we have our computers 547 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: up today, and I want to confess to you and 548 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: everyone listening, fellow ridiculous historians. When we started saying bullet as, 549 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: I may have googled bullets recipe and started planning what 550 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: to make for dinner. Well, maybe you know what, maybe 551 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: we can bump that right on up to lunch because 552 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: there's a lovely postive place downstairs, and we've been at 553 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: it a long time. Today, we owe it to ourselves. 554 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Let's treat ourselves. It's Friday anyway, though, as you say, 555 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: slaughtering folks, burning fields, just making a mess, looting and 556 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: polluting all of that stuff, and they end up taking 557 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff back with them over the border. 558 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: They keep doing this, Um, They're just doing a lot 559 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: of damage, really, really, really reckoned the place. Um. And 560 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: then in September he got some revenge being exacted because 561 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: some of these troops were captured and you know, the 562 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: Modenese had had it. So in under cover of dark, 563 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: the Modanese soldiers or a group of them, they snuck 564 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: across the border into the city center and next to 565 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: something called the San Felice Gate, where they found an 566 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: oaken bucket filled with loot, with with booty that belonged 567 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: to Modina originally plunder. That's right, and said bucket was 568 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: was nabbed, was nicked. They took it and put it 569 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: under their arms and ran back and showed it off 570 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: in their city center for all of the Modenese to see, right, 571 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: and for the residents of Bologna to see as well. 572 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: So the people Bologna are furious and they say, give 573 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: us back that bucket, the better have that stuff we 574 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: stole earlier in it too. It is pretty hypocritical that 575 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: they were angry. It's something they had stolen, had just 576 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: been restolen. Ye, it's pretty petty and childlike behavior. But 577 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: again we're seeing that with all these stories. Um, so 578 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of They demanded the return of the bucket 579 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: I guess they were more concerned about the booty. But 580 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen specifically what it was. I'm imagining 581 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: it's maybe coin plundered from I'm just picturing like role 582 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: playing games where where all the money is just in 583 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: like sacks that are just littered around the place or something. 584 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: You just kind of step on it and then you 585 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: hear a ching sound and then it shows up in 586 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: your inventory. You know what it probably I can tell 587 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: you what it probably wasn't. It probably was not uh 588 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: a religious artifactor or reliquary, because then the war would 589 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: have been named after that instead of the bucket. This 590 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 1: is probably just like straight up cash money or find 591 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: fine clothing. And speaking of which, that's when the this 592 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: particular conflict began. In earnest On November thirteen, twenty five, 593 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Mala Testino del Occio, 594 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: who was the lord of remini Um led his people, 595 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: the Balinese and um Any allies. They had been able 596 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: to amass two besiege the city state of Marginia and 597 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: get that bucket back. So ridiculous, man. So they were 598 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: met by a pretty strong resistance soldiers from Modina, Mantua 599 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: and Ferrara as well as some Germans sent by our boy, 600 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Frederick himself, that's right, but 601 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: not to be bested the pope in question x x 602 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: I I I he sent thirty thousand, so they were 603 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: vastly out number. Yeah, and that's in the additional couple 604 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: thousand knights on horseback. So what we're seeing happen here 605 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: is a proxy war essentially over a bucket that again 606 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, in defense of the bucket was not empty. 607 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: So the Modenese, as you said, Noel, were pretty well 608 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: out numbered where they have like six thousand troops I 609 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: think a combination of foot soldiers and horsemen as well. 610 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, they they went at it, and despite those numbers, 611 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: they really kicked some solid toukots. Absolutely. Yeah, they did 612 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: something that read where they they disrupted it's called a route. 613 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: They disrupted the activities and the organization of the larger army. 614 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, smaller force you can get out numbered, 615 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: but it's a little easier to control maybe, and you 616 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: and check your nimble and the larger force. If you 617 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: can disrupt their communications, um with this thing called a route, 618 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: you can cause chaos in their ranks and they're not 619 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: going to know which way is up, absolutely, and I 620 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: think that's a very important point, especially for this story. 621 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: So the Modanese succeeded. But this was a bloody conflict 622 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: by this point, right, Yeah, I think we we lost 623 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: about two thousand on both sides, which I would have 624 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: just thought it would have just been a total blood 625 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: bath from the pope led thirty thousand, um, you know, 626 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: against the only seven thousand, but only about two thousand 627 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: lives were lost on both sides. But that's pretty insane. 628 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's a lot of people over 629 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: a bucket. Yeah, so what that's that's my next big question. 630 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: That's burning And first what happened after this? Did the 631 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: war end? And even more importantly, what happened to the bucket? Yeah, 632 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: the war did eventually end. Um it raged on until 633 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: fifty nine, when we've got Charles of Spain, the first 634 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: that is, who by that point became a Holy Roman Emperor. 635 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: That's a thing you can inherit that, I guess. But 636 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: I feel like Brad Pitt's character at the end of seven, 637 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: I keep going, what's in the bucket? Yeah, well, we don't. 638 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's lost to time because 639 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: now the bucket does remain um in it's just bucket form, 640 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: and you can see it in Modinia um and it's 641 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: at the Torah della Gierlandina and that's just like um, 642 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: I guess a mock up of it, right, Okay, yeah, 643 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: just you know, to commemorate the day um and the 644 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: real one though you can find at the Palazzo Communale 645 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: even today, the modern day, I believe. So that's so cool. 646 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: Your tickets, now, book your bucket tickets. I've never been 647 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: so into a bucket What if somebody had that bucket 648 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: on their bucket list? There we go. What if a 649 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: bucket list was just a list of famous buckets that 650 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: before I was thinking the same thing. You mind, reader, 651 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: let's make let's make a bucket list. I want to 652 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: if I more famous buckets in history. So huge props 653 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: to Schehan Russell from war History Online for the bloodiest 654 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: Medieval war is fought because of a bucket, because I 655 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: pilfered heavily from that article for this one. But it's 656 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: a fun story. Fun that's not the right word for it. 657 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: But it's a ridiculous story because it just goes to 658 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: show how the simplest things and the pettiest interactions can 659 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: lead to serious bloodshed. It's kind of like the old 660 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: line where if you already decided that you don't like someone, 661 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: whatever they do is just gonna make you not like them. Still, 662 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how innocuous it is. And that applies 663 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: to states and nations that want to go to war. 664 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: If they need uh causes belly or they need a 665 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: reason to go to war, they can just find one. 666 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, everyone off off air. We we checked 667 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: what time we were at and we got so into 668 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: this that, Noel, do you realize we've been We've been 669 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: fascinated by buckets, ears, and camels for like an hour. 670 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: Buck was like apvels go by. I'm fine with that, though, 671 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: you know. We gave them their do And then there's 672 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: just one that we're gonna I think we're gonna leave 673 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: on the table. So once again we kind of overprepared, 674 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: but I guess it's better than under delivering. That's what 675 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: I always say. So, yeah, we got two that we're 676 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: leaving on the table, But maybe we'll just turn those 677 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: into episodes of their own, because each one of these 678 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: could have really been an episode on their own. That's 679 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: that's true. At the camel one. I guess, well, it 680 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: depends on how much we want to learn about pre 681 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: Islamic tribal relations and the biology of camels. But that 682 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: can you milk a camel? Yeah? You can? You can 683 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: milk a camel? Is it gonna be worth it? I 684 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: don't know. Did you know what? You can milk pigs too? 685 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean I've seen, you know, you always see the 686 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: little piglets suckling on the big, big sal Yeah, so 687 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that. Yeah, I just you don't hear here 688 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 1: about pig milk though. Yeah, no, I think we used 689 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: it once in a story on a different show, just 690 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: because it's such a weird term. But we digress, And yes, 691 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: that is part of the nature of ridiculous history. Today, 692 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: we're in to wrap it up. Stay tuned for possible 693 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: future explanations of the two ridiculous wars we did not 694 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: get to today. In the meantime, we of course always 695 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Let us know your favorite 696 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: ridiculous cause of a conflict, a skirmish, or a war. 697 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: You can do it in any number of ways. We 698 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: are all over the internet. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, 699 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 1: and of course one of our favorite places online, Ridiculous Historians. 700 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah it's true. Um, we actually just recorded a future 701 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: episode that features a lot of the amazing humans on 702 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: that community page. So if you want to be a 703 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: part of that and get it on the fune, you 704 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: can go to Ridiculous Historians on Facebook and asked to 705 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 1: to be a member. Unless you're like clearly a awful person, 706 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: where will we'll let you? 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