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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're talking about changes behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: All that and more news.

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Speaker 1: Hello my David jamesconceeptio hed on Wedsday Night, and welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Extra Vision of the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 1: been to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you episodes

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday and Thursday, plus all summer long.

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Speaker 2: We're highlighting the.

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Speaker 1: Summer's biggest movies every Friday right in your podcast feed, plus.

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Speaker 3: News on Saturday, news on Saturdays.

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Speaker 4: In today's previously on News episode, we are catching up

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Speaker 4: on the biggest geek stories of the week, including Megan

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Speaker 3: What happened guys?

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Speaker 4: Microsoft announces just unbelievably large layoffs and game cancelations, and

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Speaker 4: of course the conversation that has been getting the Internet

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Speaker 4: going this week The New York Times Top one hundred films.

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Speaker 3: What are our top ten films from this period? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. It's been hard.

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Speaker 4: Everyone keep asking me, and I love movies. I don't know, guys,

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Speaker 4: but we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But first, let's go to the Seattle quarantine Zone in

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Speaker 1: news that I was very surprised at me too. The

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Speaker 1: Last of Us creator Neil Druckman has exited the television

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Speaker 1: show adaptation of his iconic video game series The Last

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Speaker 1: which is their next upcoming Triple A game. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of discussion and theorizing about why he might

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Speaker 1: have left. Any thoughts on this news and any theories

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Speaker 4: I do think that it was quite outrageous that this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like that makes me think this.

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Speaker 4: That feeling where it's the holiday weekend and you're like,

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Speaker 3: So I can relax. He was like, I just want

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Speaker 4: My massively successful HBO show off my plate so I

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Speaker 3: But no, I don't know. I think this to me.

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Speaker 4: Smacks of somebody who understandably, you know, made one of

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Speaker 4: it just wasn't lauded and kind of celebrate it in

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it a lot, that this is a

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Speaker 1: It almost it makes you feel like this show second season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ratings were down. I don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: But clearly there's some difference of opinion about how to proceed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, And I also think that you know,

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Speaker 3: I also think like maybe he doesn't want the stress.

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Speaker 3: And so I like that positive read.

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Speaker 4: But even I say, I get it, just like sometimes

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Speaker 1: Up next, has Blumhouse entered its bomb Era Entertainment Weekly, asks.

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Speaker 3: I know, entertainment Weekly, yet a bit spicy, then.

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Speaker 1: Get a little bit spicy. Megan two point zero is

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Speaker 1: currently artificially intelligent bombing at the box office.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so yes, I do see some clear issues with this.

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Speaker 4: One of which which other people like Mark Bernardin and

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Speaker 4: The studio thought that they could comprehend and understand what

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Speaker 3: I thought something that Jason Blum said.

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Speaker 4: We could change genres, we could put her in the summer,

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Speaker 4: The trailer was cut really well, the movie was super fun,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I agree to your point about Chucky.

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Speaker 1: about more news, including the first teaser trailer for Project

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Speaker 1: Here Mary and We're back sad news out of video

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Speaker 1: game worlds, where Microsoft is laying off thousands, thousands bollands

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Speaker 1: despite a sixteen percent increase in revenue from twenty three

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Speaker 1: Xbox appears to be one of the hardest hit by

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Speaker 1: All those things are canceled, as well as numerous unannounced

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Speaker 1: In other Xbox news, hell Divers too is coming to

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Speaker 4: I I did distinctly struggle over this last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: And love movies. So why don't you go? And I

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Speaker 1: And in no particular order, here we go Ladybird twenty

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Speaker 4: List, guys, unbelievable. I guess this hits so hard that

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Speaker 2: It makes the hundred.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna tell you, guys, if Michael Clayton

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Speaker 4: I would like to talk to someone at The New

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Speaker 4: York Times about ordered.

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Speaker 3: Ninety four ninety three and I'm.

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Speaker 4: Looking at I'm looking at Fleming, Wolf of Wall Street

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Speaker 4: down here. I know it's by Martin Scorsese, but that

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Speaker 4: is not about a movie than Michael Clayton.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Also, let me just say this a Gladiator, a movie

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Speaker 1: I really like.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I love Gladiator ninety two, two thousand and threes. Master

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Speaker 1: and Commander, where's that hat? Better movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't come at me, no.

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Speaker 4: Jason, come on, Super Yucky has a master and Command

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Speaker 4: of T shirt range.

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Speaker 3: We're mastering Commander.

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Speaker 2: Love It's it's a better movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean that all I'll say. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: Look, if you're asking me for personals. Phantom Thread, that's

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Speaker 4: definitely in my top.

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Speaker 2: High Yeah, that's high up.

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Speaker 3: But they put it twenty five.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a bit low compared to some of

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Speaker 4: those other movies in that top twenty five, I would be.

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Speaker 3: I am still shut. I'm still shut with Clayton and

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Speaker 3: that end.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I love Mulholland Drive number two.

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Speaker 3: I know. Also, I'll tell you another movie adaptation. Love

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Speaker 3: that movie.

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Speaker 4: Spike Jakes definitely up their big Knick Cage fan.

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Speaker 2: But again, I love Twins.

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Speaker 3: That's I love you love a Twins story. You know

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Speaker 3: the twin Love, a Little Parent, Trap.

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Speaker 4: Love An and I also love the kind of nightmarish

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Speaker 4: reality that adaptation represents, which is like, if you are,

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Speaker 4: you know, somebody with a high profile, you can do

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Speaker 4: something like adapt to book and then just make it

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Speaker 4: completely about yourself and your experience of adapting it, Like

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Speaker 4: that is one of the most unhinged things, but also

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Speaker 4: one of the best things. I'm sorry, guys, I'm not

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Speaker 4: putting Dark Knight in my top ten. I see here

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Speaker 4: twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: I'm not putting any I'm not putting any. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I think if there is one that reaches for like

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Speaker 1: great storytelling, great cinema, I think it is the Dark

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Speaker 1: Knight that said people like Where's Endgame?

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Speaker 2: Where is this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Like that it's different in those Again.

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Speaker 1: Those movies are like my comfort food, but I put

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Speaker 1: them in a different category, something like this.

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Speaker 4: But also I'm still like this is where this kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff always starts, like annoying me is because I

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Speaker 4: feel like often we kind of forget the cultural conversations,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like finally people had started to talk

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Speaker 4: about Lost in Translation and how Scarlett Hansen was like

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Speaker 4: eighteen when she made the movie and Bill Murray is

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Speaker 4: an old ass man, and I feel like, and this

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Speaker 4: is me coming as someone who The Virgin Suicides by

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Speaker 4: Sofia Coppola was one of the most formative movies as

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Speaker 4: a young girl to me, so I am a Sophia fan.

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Speaker 4: But like, come on, guys, thirty are like, now we're

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Speaker 4: getting to the point. I mean, you got the depart

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Speaker 4: on there, but you don't have the original Infernal Affairs.

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Speaker 3: Well I want to know, so.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I mean The Departed is too high for me. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I love The Departed, but first of all, Infernal Affairs better.

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Speaker 3: Better, It's better, guys, gotta tell you.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, I don't know this weird, Like it's

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Speaker 1: not my favorite Nicholson either. I feel like he's chewing

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Speaker 1: it up. I don't buy the Boston accent. I think

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Speaker 1: the texting back and forth scene is which again is

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Speaker 1: from Infernal Affairs, but is like I think that is

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Speaker 1: suspenseful moments, but for me, it's I don't think.

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Speaker 2: It's a top hundred.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I would also say, like, they do have a movie

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Speaker 4: on here that is one of my favorite movies. And

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Speaker 4: that me and my friend James used to be like

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Speaker 4: the biggest We'd always been telling people you gotta watch

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Speaker 4: this movie is It's called a Prophet is by this

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Speaker 4: French direct So I love this one of my old

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Speaker 4: time favorite movies. But this is the motherfucker made a

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Speaker 4: Melia Peress, so I can't even rep.

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Speaker 3: It like that anymore.

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Speaker 2: But it's profit is really good.

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Speaker 4: Prophet is, like legit a masterpiece if you want to

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Speaker 4: watch a movie about the way that the prison system

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Speaker 4: can kind of trap you into this unending cycle, and

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Speaker 4: it's so good and it has an incredible performance by

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Speaker 4: Tahar Rahim, who hilariously would then go on to be

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Speaker 4: the villain and Madam web which was one of the

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Speaker 4: most surreal things in my life because I'm bro this

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Speaker 4: is like an Oscar winning performance, like don't don't be

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Speaker 4: in Madam Webb. But yeah, I also find it interesting

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Speaker 4: when these conversations happen that like Everywhere's Anderson movie from

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Speaker 4: this era is in the thing, you know, like I

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Speaker 4: think that well, apart from dodge Ling Unlimited, can I

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Speaker 4: give you one more please?

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Speaker 2: Wolf of wall Street? Too High, Too High? I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you for me, it's going to that I enjoy the movie.

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Speaker 2: I think it's too high. I think it's There's a

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Speaker 2: There's a Bunch Grand Budapest. It's too High twenty two.

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Speaker 3: And that's probably my favorite Wes Anderson movie. But you

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Speaker 3: know what, I.

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Speaker 4: Agree, it's too high, too high. Also just an interesting

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Speaker 4: there's gonna. I would love to see the kind of

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Speaker 4: data around how many of these were picked because of

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Speaker 4: being in the oscars.

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Speaker 1: Kind of how do you feel about about movies like

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Speaker 1: Zone of Interest or Anatomy of Fall that it's it

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Speaker 1: feels like they just came out, and how you digest

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Speaker 1: how good they are? I will say Anatomy of Fall

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, I love the movie that

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Speaker 1: My wife didn't like it as much as I did,

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Speaker 1: but I really loved it. And part of what I loved,

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Speaker 1: especially watching it at home on VOD is pausing every

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes and going, is this really what the French

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Speaker 1: legal system is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why are there? Why are there fine judges?

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Speaker 4: Up?

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Speaker 2: Why does the jury sit with the judge?

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Speaker 3: Crazy? How come? How come the.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer is like not objecting, They're just letting random people

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Speaker 1: like the courtroom yell at their at their client.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you on

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Speaker 3: the I think it's too low on this list.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me Anka Jam's fifty eight jobs, so fucking masterpiece.

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Speaker 3: Put that in the top fifty at least, please. I

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Speaker 3: love that movie.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm this has been a fun conversation starter,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's very I'm very interested because just

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Speaker 4: from scrolling through the Rolling Stone one, which they just

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Speaker 4: released on July first, there's definitely more.

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Speaker 3: Michael Clayton is seventy three in that list.

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Speaker 4: Definitely creeping higher, creeping higher, but they have a little

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Speaker 4: more of that kind of out there genre stuff.

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Speaker 3: They got John Wick, they got the host by Bong Juneo.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: They also have Grizzly Man, which is on this list,

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Speaker 4: the Timothy Treadwell documentary by my love Burner Herzog, but

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Speaker 4: on the New York Times list it's like one of

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Speaker 4: the first, like in the top you know, ninety, but

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Speaker 4: here it's sixty nine.

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Speaker 3: Nice. I love that movie.

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Speaker 4: It definitely really introduced the wider world to Herzog. So

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Speaker 4: it's interesting to see the different styles. I would also

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Speaker 4: love to know when when we at IGN, for example,

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Speaker 4: put together a Best Anime list or Best Villain of

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Speaker 4: Anime list and those kind of things. There is like

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Speaker 4: an extensive amount of voting that goes.

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Speaker 3: Along and then we talk about how what.

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Speaker 4: Are you know, reasons are and how we go and

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Speaker 4: we do it and we make sure we're talking to

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Speaker 4: multiple different people, which they obviously did here. But I

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Speaker 4: would love to know how the actual like choices were made,

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Speaker 4: Like was it based just on people's ballots and how

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Speaker 4: many votes it got?

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Speaker 3: Was it based on like a tiered ranking system.

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Speaker 4: Give me a little bit more info on how the

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Speaker 4: data was arranged New York Times, just because I'm interested

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Speaker 4: and I love that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, I love it when people support movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, watch movies.

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Speaker 3: We go to the movie there, go seeabe. Please.

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Speaker 1: On next week's episodes of Extra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 1: the Road to Superman and we're bringing you an interview

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Speaker 1: with DC Studios head and director of Superman, James Gunn, whoa.

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Speaker 1: While we were recording, news broke that Michael Madson, aged

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Speaker 1: such features as Reservoir Dogs, Kill Bill Volume two as

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Speaker 1: well as his work in video games like Dishonored and

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Speaker 1: Grand Theft.

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Speaker 2: All the three has passed away at age sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: Cardiac Arrest.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joe al Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wax.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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