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Speaker 1: now is getting about quarter of its crude oil import

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Speaker 1: from Russia. Now, what they are committing to with this

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Speaker 1: declaration is to phase out Russian oil, and right now

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Speaker 1: they're still in talks to formalize that decision, so it's

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Speaker 1: not one hundred percent declared exactly. The other reason why

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Speaker 1: this matters, though, is that people forget this is that

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Speaker 1: Japan is also in the G seven, and Japan is

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Speaker 1: a major oil consuming nation. So for Japan to say

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Speaker 1: that they're going to phase out both, actually it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting kind of Asia Pacific Asia Pacific declaration of solidarity

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Speaker 1: with the West. They try and generally not to align

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Speaker 1: themselves this way, but Japan of course, also has its

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Speaker 1: own history of war with Russia, and they're really just

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Speaker 1: trying in order to get Western solidarity with them in

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Speaker 1: the event that they end up in a conflict with China.

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Speaker 1: So to see them come along with us in this

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Speaker 1: way is actually pretty significant because they also import a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of stuff from Russia in terms of production.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, what I would say is that that is

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Speaker 1: probably the most significant diplomatic action, and probably the last

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Speaker 1: two since the declaration of those financial sanctions. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, if you go back to the beginning

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Speaker 1: of this or the very early days, the thought was

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Speaker 1: the swift banking sanctions were like, we're like the end

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Speaker 1: all be all of whether you were serious or not

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Speaker 1: about this whole sanctioned situation, and man resumed right past that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at the beginning, the idea that the G

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit unclear exactly when it's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: it'll be over a timeline and phase and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that would have blown all of

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Speaker 1: our minds at the time. Oh but bit by bit, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no way, like they can't do that. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to do that. And so we're starting to see

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Speaker 1: what the future looks like, which is, you know, Russia's

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Speaker 1: put in this camp of the official baddie pariah states

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Speaker 1: that the US is going to try to sort of

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Speaker 1: bleed dry and crush economically over a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: And it's hard to know from reporting within the country

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Speaker 1: much they've devastated the local population. It's hard to get

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Speaker 1: an accurate picture of that at this point. But there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt if this continues over the long haul, I

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Speaker 1: mean this, they'll be devastating for regular Russian civilians and

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Speaker 1: for the country. And obviously part of you know, the

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Speaker 1: overall strategy here, which is not to secure peace, it's

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Speaker 1: to weaken Russia, which frankly is what you know, if

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Speaker 1: we'd said that at the beginning, people have said, oh,

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Speaker 1: those are prudence talking points, You're a conspiracy theorists, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And yet now here we are with you know,

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Speaker 1: Kiev and saying, hey, we don't want peace, We want

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Speaker 1: you to keep going. Seth Moulton, Democratic Congressman saying, oh no,

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Speaker 1: actually we are at war with Russia, so we'd be

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Speaker 1: thinking should be thinking of things in that way. All

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Speaker 1: of this happened so quickly and with so little public

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Speaker 1: understanding or discussion that it really is astonishing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Ukraine has fallen a little bit out of the news.

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Speaker 1: It's not you know, the wall to wall coverage isn't

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Speaker 1: there anymore, especially with the big news about Roe versus Wade,

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Speaker 1: which we're about to talk to talk about as well.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, these incredibly momentous and potentially

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Speaker 1: like era defining decisions are being made and the US

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Speaker 1: public is really not being involved in that. Yeah. Actually

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Speaker 1: it's funny. We can just tell you. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can see our data. Ukraine does not perform all that well. Now,

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Speaker 1: we still stacked the first half hour of the show

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Speaker 1: with it because we think it's really important and we

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Speaker 1: have a subscriber based model. But you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: a cable news programmer, you don't want to be covering

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff because you know that it's not

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Speaker 1: going to rate. Luckily we don't have necessarily the exact

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Speaker 1: same incentive structure, but that's a peak into how exactly

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Speaker 1: these things get made. Your viewership and people's general interest

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Speaker 1: is what drives a lot of the debate and the

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Speaker 1: meta conversation. Part of the point I made in my

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Speaker 1: monologue about the culture wars on Thursday was just so

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Speaker 1: you know, while we're all squabbling about abortion, the CIA

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Speaker 1: loves that because that is when the gray war actually

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Speaker 1: operates at its highest level, when they have zero public scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: So I did not see nearly enough outcry on the

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Speaker 1: first story that we covered. I didn't see nearly enough

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Speaker 1: analysis on the oil markets. Yeah. Also, do we just

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Speaker 1: live in a reality now where gas is four fifty

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Speaker 1: a gallon? I mean so seriously, like I mean months ago, oh,

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Speaker 1: strategic patrol in reserve now what I mean by the way,

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Speaker 1: it costs a lot of money to fill up your tank.

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Speaker 1: I have not driven past a gas station in two

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Speaker 1: months that was less than four dollars a gallon, and

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Speaker 1: I think the national average is still for something. Just

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Speaker 1: so you know, it was a catastrophe. Then it's a

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Speaker 1: catastrophe now. But the you know, conversation on this stuff

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Speaker 1: just continues to fizzle out. G seven is gonna ban it? Okay, great?

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Speaker 1: Is anybody gonna give us any more gas or something?

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Speaker 1: Because people are really struggling out there, and you know

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Speaker 1: that part of the conversation is missing too. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is very well said. All right, So let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about some of the new developments about how

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Speaker 1: the midterms might shake down. As we you know now

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Speaker 1: had this leak draft decision looks like Supreme Court set

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Speaker 1: to overturn Roe versus Wade, dramatic reordering of American politics

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Speaker 1: and upending of a precedent that has been in place

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Speaker 1: for nearly fifty years. So part of what will determine

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Speaker 1: how this goes politically is ultimately how Republicans will respond.

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Speaker 1: And there was a thought that they would just like

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Speaker 1: focus on the league and kind of try not to

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Speaker 1: talk about any of the stuff. And the Republican you know,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Senatorial Committee put out talking points saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not extremists, like we're the mainstream ones. The Democrats

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Speaker 1: are the extremists. But we've got already a number of

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Speaker 1: instances where you can see how this decision makes the

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Speaker 1: politics very uncomfortable for Republicans. Now they're getting asked questions

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Speaker 1: about abortion that they really don't want to have to do,

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Speaker 1: which their base wants and which they do not want

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Speaker 1: to have to engage with you exactly. So they either

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Speaker 1: have to extremely piss off their base, like extremely piss

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Speaker 1: off their base, or you know, like so they're damned

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Speaker 1: if they do. They damn if they don't. If they

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Speaker 1: try to moderate their positions on abortion to be somewhat

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Speaker 1: in the mainstream of American yeah, their base is going

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Speaker 1: to freak out. And if they go along with their

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Speaker 1: base and the rest of the country is like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell, what that's what you support? That's insane. So

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Speaker 1: one of the first pieces here is Mitch McConnell go

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Speaker 1: ahead and throw this tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So he is outright saying that a national federal abortion

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Speaker 1: ban is in fact possible, because some of the talking

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Speaker 1: points we've heard is like, oh, well, why don't you

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Speaker 1: just leave to the states and listen. If you don't

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Speaker 1: like the regulations in Mississippi, then you can move somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Putting aside how classes that is and how people don't

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Speaker 1: want to move from their arms, et cetera. That is

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Speaker 1: one argument that's been made. And also listen, if you're

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Speaker 1: in California in New York, that this decision won't affect

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Speaker 1: you that much. Well, now you have Mitch McConnell saying, actually,

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Speaker 1: we're kind of serious about this federal ban. And we

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Speaker 1: had reported last week about how anti war groups, along

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Speaker 1: with some of their closest allies, they've been plotting this

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Speaker 1: for a while now. They've been sort of putting the

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Speaker 1: pieces together, and there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure from the base to basically put up or shut up.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, you got your way with Roe versus Wade.

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Speaker 1: This is the next step. You guys said that you're

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Speaker 1: with us, Are you actually going to do it? Let

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Speaker 1: me read to you what McConnell actually said, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get your reactionsager. So, he said, if the leaked

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Speaker 1: opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies, not only the

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Speaker 1: state level, but at the federal level certainly could legislate

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Speaker 1: in that area, and said that a national abortion ban

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Speaker 1: is quote worthy of debate. He goes on to say,

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Speaker 1: and if this were the final decision. Talking about the

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Speaker 1: leak draft, that was the point that it should be

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Speaker 1: resolved one way or another in the legislative process. So yes,

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Speaker 1: it's possible. Those are his words. He also says, with

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Speaker 1: regard to the abortion issue, I think it's pretty clear

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Speaker 1: where Senate Republicans stand, basically saying yes, we're very pro life,

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Speaker 1: and if and when the Court makes a final decision,

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Speaker 1: I expect everybody will be more But I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's much secret where Senator Republicans stand on that issue.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, when he says worthy of debate, that's a

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Speaker 1: very carefully chosen word, because my prediction on this is

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Speaker 1: they're going to hide by the filibuster now because they've

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Speaker 1: already come out and said we're not going to nuke

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Speaker 1: the filibuster in order to have a national band on abortion.

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Speaker 1: But they may actually find themselves in a very tough

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Speaker 1: position because per David Shore's analysis, if Trump wins roughly

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Speaker 1: the same amount of vote that he did back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, with maybe you know, plus zero point two

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Speaker 1: or point three percent, you could have a situation where

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Speaker 1: you have a filibuster proof majority of Republicans in the

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Speaker 1: Senate and Donald Trump in the White House in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, then I would I just see it. I

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Speaker 1: honestly think a band really could happen under that, because

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Speaker 1: I don't see how a single one of these people

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Speaker 1: could go back to their base constituents who are overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: pro life. I want to emphasize they are, you know,

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Speaker 1: out of step with the rest of the American public,

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Speaker 1: but you know that doesn't necessarily matter on some of

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Speaker 1: these things. So it's a serious problem for the Republicans

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Speaker 1: if they may actually what was the expression to use,

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Speaker 1: dog that caught the cart the car. Yeah, no, it's

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Speaker 1: very true though. I really do think they're in that situation.

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Speaker 1: And now you're seeing this on the state level. And

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Speaker 1: the reason why I found this clip so significant and

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Speaker 1: we both wanted to play it, was because this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be the meta narrative going into the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two midterm elections. Now, look, who knows how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: I still think the Republicans are set to win a majority,

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Speaker 1: but it could affect things on the margins. And you know,

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Speaker 1: our general thesis on culture war issues is that whichever

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Speaker 1: side seems the most extreme on the day of the election,

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Speaker 1: they're the ones who are going to suffer at the

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Speaker 1: ballot box. Personally, I think that's been the Democrats probably

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Speaker 1: for the last ten years or so. But with the

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Speaker 1: return to abortion politics and the drop of gender ideology,

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Speaker 1: defund the police, and critical race theory and this to prominence,

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Speaker 1: this puts Republicans on the more extreme side of the issue.

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Speaker 1: And this is a perfect example of a Mississippi, Mississippi

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Speaker 1: governor here being pressed on CNN about an actual abortion

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Speaker 1: ban in that state, which will then come to nationalized politics,

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Speaker 1: as many other state bans and state laws have, just

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Speaker 1: like the Florida legislation. So let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: what that said. The state of Mississippi will force girls

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Speaker 1: and women who are the victims of incest to carry

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Speaker 1: those childs to term. Can you explain why that is

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Speaker 1: going to be your law. Well, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: the law because in two thousand and seven, the Mississippi

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Speaker 1: legislature passed it, I will tell you, Jake, And this

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Speaker 1: sort of speaks to how far the Democrats in Washington

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Speaker 1: have come on this issue. But in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 1: when the trigger law was put in place, we had

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Speaker 1: a Democrat Speaker of the House, and we had a

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Speaker 1: Democrat chairman of the Public Health Committee in the Mississippi

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Speaker 1: House and representatives. But why are you going to take

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Speaker 1: their piece of legislation. Why is it acceptable in your

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Speaker 1: state of force girls who are victims of incests to

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Speaker 1: carry those child children to term. Well, as you know, Jake,

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Speaker 1: over ninety two percent of all abortions in America are

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Speaker 1: elective procedures. When you look at the number of those

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Speaker 1: that actually are involved incests, it's less than one percent.

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Speaker 1: And if we need to have that conversation in the

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Speaker 1: future about potential this is your options in the trigger law.

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Speaker 1: We can certainly do that, but the reality is that again,

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Speaker 1: that affects less than one percent of all abortions in

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Speaker 1: America on an annual basis. Okay, but that is going

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Speaker 1: to be the law of Mississippi. Let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: what about a fetus that has serious or fatal abnormalities

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Speaker 1: that will not allow that fetus to live outside the womb?

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Speaker 1: Is the state of Mississippi going to force those girls

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Speaker 1: and women who have this tragedy inside them to carry

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Speaker 1: the child to term? Are you going to force them

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Speaker 1: to do that? Well, Jake, I'll tell you, I think

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Speaker 1: that these questions illustrate exactly what we've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: and that is you're dealing in examples that are rare

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Speaker 1: and are very small percentage of the overall abortions. And

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Speaker 1: the reason for that is because when you talk to Americans,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what the polling says with respect to overturning

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Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, the vast majority of Americans recognize that

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Speaker 1: the abortion laws in America right now, that is what

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Speaker 1: are extreme. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be dominating the conversation for months

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Speaker 1: and months to come. Two weeks ago, he does an

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Speaker 1: interview with Jake Tapper. This does not come up. Nobody cares. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're still talking about Florida. Now you're having to defend

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Speaker 1: a law that requires a teenage girl raped by her

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Speaker 1: stepfather to carry that pregnancy to term exactly, and everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: well that's a fringe exception. It's like, yeah, well it

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Speaker 1: can still dominate the thing. You know. I was actually

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Speaker 1: thinking back to when's the last time that the Republican

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Speaker 1: or that this type of culture war was on the

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Speaker 1: national stage. So pregay marriage. Obviously Oberga fell happened. But

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Speaker 1: Terry Schiavo, do you remember that case? It was what

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Speaker 1: was it two thousand and five. I was young when

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Speaker 1: it was happening. I've read a little bit about about it,

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Speaker 1: but that dominated the national conversation. It was a single person.

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Speaker 1: I forget even which state that this all actually even

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Speaker 1: I think it was Florida. I think it was Florida.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, that just shows you that those types of

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Speaker 1: cases can dominate the national conversation. So do not you know,

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Speaker 1: many people are Republicans are saying, oh, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: might happen in Mississippi, Alabama, it's not going to affect

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Speaker 1: the team nationally. Well, I mean we all just saw

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Speaker 1: Republicans are gaining ground on the Florida legislation, and that's

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Speaker 1: just Florida. Well, you know, now Mississippi, Alabama, various southern

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Speaker 1: states are all going to have to ask this question.

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Speaker 1: And Mitch McConnell's saying, I have to do it keeping

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Speaker 1: the door open. So the debate, the meta narrative is

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Speaker 1: shifting against Republicans on this ground. Like I said, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea how this is going to shake out,

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Speaker 1: But all I know is if the more these types

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Speaker 1: of headlines are out there, let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen, the worse it is going to be

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Speaker 1: for the GOP. People can try and claim that people

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Speaker 1: don't care, and look, maybe people don't care about the

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Speaker 1: overturn of Roe versus weight, But I'm going to venture

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Speaker 1: to say that the majority of the American population, which

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Speaker 1: is generally pro choice, and you know, at least up

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Speaker 1: until fifteen weeks of pregnancy, when they look at stuff

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Speaker 1: like this. There's a bill, you know, classifying abortion as homicide,

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Speaker 1: advanced by Louisiana lawmakers. To be clear, it is not law.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I don't know if the governor would

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Speaker 1: sign it, you know, all the caveats, et cetera. Even

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Speaker 1: having this within the realm of debate, just like defund

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Speaker 1: the police was within the realm of debate for the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: is going to dominate the meta conversation around the party

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Speaker 1: and have real tough questions, right because I mean, frankly,

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Speaker 1: I think that the pro life base of the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is even stronger than the defund the police. The

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Speaker 1: base of the Democratic there's zero, right, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: it makes it even harder to to go against it.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you're a GOP politicians organized, they're not. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is perfectly comfortable. Think about this difference. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is perfectly comfortable in response to a call to

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Speaker 1: defund the police, to put out an op ed that's like,

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Speaker 1: screw you, We're going to fund the police. Is Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is not able to do that? Whatsoever? Is

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Speaker 1: Trump gonna stand No? Of course not, of course not.

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Speaker 1: He owes his entire political campaign to this very well

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Speaker 1: organized part of the base. And by the way, we're

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Speaker 1: going to speak to some of the poll in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. You know, I looked it up. Defund the police,

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Speaker 1: whatever you think about it, is definitely not popular as

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Speaker 1: a slogan. Requiring a woman who's been raped to carry

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Speaker 1: her baby to term is less popular then defund the police.

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Speaker 1: So those are the types of I mean, that's how

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Speaker 1: far out you are in terms of the extremist position.

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Speaker 1: And I also think it's really important to understand that

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about the overturn of row, you are

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Speaker 1: inherently talking about these early pregnancy bands, because already under row.

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Speaker 1: States can ban third trimester abortion, They can do whatever

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Speaker 1: they want after the point of viability. So you're only

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Speaker 1: talking about these early stage pregnancy is where you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: if you have an outright ban after six weeks, if

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Speaker 1: you have these fetal heart heartbeat bands, if you have

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Speaker 1: you know, uh bands without any sort of exceptions for

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Speaker 1: rape and incest or life and health of the mother,

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Speaker 1: or life and health of the of the baby itself,

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Speaker 1: you are talking about positions that are very much out

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Speaker 1: of step with the mainstream of America. So you know it.

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Speaker 1: Listen again. I always want to restate I still think

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Speaker 1: overall the midterm landscape is much more favorable to Republicans.

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Speaker 1: There's no question the number one issue on people's minds

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Speaker 1: when they vote, as it typically is going to be

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Speaker 1: the economy. There is no doubt that even though we

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Speaker 1: actually just got a very strong jobs report, inflation is

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Speaker 1: killing people. Gas prices are killing people. The wages. Wages

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Speaker 1: are not out That's exactly right. People are getting paid

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Speaker 1: a pay cut every single week, every single month, every

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Speaker 1: single year because of inflation outpacing any sort of wage gains.

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Speaker 1: That will be the primary issue that defines these this election,

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Speaker 1: not to mention. You know, the historic trends of party

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Speaker 1: in power typically does poorly because their base is kind

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Speaker 1: of apathetic. The opposition is much more motivated. I don't

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Speaker 1: think any of this changes that overall picture. But does

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Speaker 1: it make things a lot more difficult for Republicans on

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Speaker 1: the margins? Yes? Are you going to have specific examples

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Speaker 1: where some Republican candidate goes out and pulls like a

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Speaker 1: todd Achin, you know, opining about legitimate rape or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is that falls out of the right. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: could have those sorts of situations too, that puts seats

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Speaker 1: out of play for Republicans that otherwise would have been in. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's just like democrat you know, you'll find some fringe

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Speaker 1: Democrat politician who's like, we're going to defund the police,

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Speaker 1: like we're going to whatever remake society, you know whatever

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Speaker 1: cultural Marxism that always gets a huge amount of play

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Speaker 1: in the right, and you know on social media. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you have a flip of the dynamics. So I

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Speaker 1: would just you know, look, we see how it works

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Speaker 1: against the left. Now you can also see how it

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Speaker 1: works against the right, and it is much more organized

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Speaker 1: and more established. Strain in the Republican base, because, as

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell said, like every single senator is pro life

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Speaker 1: the red now do they well, I should actually let

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Speaker 1: me take that back. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski claim

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Speaker 1: to be pro choice, they're pro ro right. I never

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Speaker 1: know how yes exactly. I mean they're they you know,

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Speaker 1: they try to kind of play both sides, but they

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Speaker 1: you know, would certainly would they go along with complete

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Speaker 1: bands and no exceptions for rape and incests in those

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Speaker 1: sorts of that. I don't think they would be on

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Speaker 1: board with that, but the overwhelming majority of the Republican

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Speaker 1: caucus is on board with things like this. Would would

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Speaker 1: support a federal ban on abortion. So defund again, whatever

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Speaker 1: you think about it, and I personally do think that

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Speaker 1: police departments, you know, clearly we've been funding them and

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Speaker 1: militarizing them and it has not helped in terms of crime.

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Speaker 1: But whatever you think of the policy, there are very

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Speaker 1: few representatives in Congress and none in the Senate who

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Speaker 1: have embraced this rhetoric. It is coming, you know, directly

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Speaker 1: from the activist base. So this is a much more

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Speaker 1: widespread sentiment that is very much on a step with

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Speaker 1: where the American people broadly are on the issues. I

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Speaker 1: think that's right. Okay, let's know, let's actually parse some

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Speaker 1: of that politics. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: CNN did an immediate reaction poll to all of this,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it's important to state that

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Speaker 1: whenever it's not actually the law of the land, and

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Speaker 1: you try and explain this to somebody who doesn't even

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Speaker 1: know that much, like, well, what's a leak? What do

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Speaker 1: you mean? What is a leak decision? Is it the

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Speaker 1: law or not? It does get complicated, but you know,

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Speaker 1: to show you the other side. The Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 1: has not really shaken up the midterm landscape. Sixty six

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Speaker 1: percent said Rovers's wage should not be struck down. Fifty

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Speaker 1: nine percent said they would support Congress passing legislation to

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Speaker 1: establish a nationwide right to abortion, including eighty one percent

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Speaker 1: of Democrats, sixty five percent of independence and thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of Republicans. But comparing the results of a new poll

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Speaker 1: to one conducted immediately before the revelation, the impact appears

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Speaker 1: fairly muted. So the share of registered voters who say

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Speaker 1: they are extremely or enthusiastic about voting this fall rose

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Speaker 1: six points between the first surve weight and the second,

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Speaker 1: but that increases even across party lines. Even amongst Democrats,

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Speaker 1: who are they say are extremely very enthusiastic is up

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Speaker 1: seven points, but among Republicans it's fifty six percent, up

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Speaker 1: nine points. Voters who say that overturning Row would make

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Speaker 1: them happy are nearly twice as enthusiastic about voting this

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Speaker 1: fall as those who say such a ruling would leave

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Speaker 1: them angry. Only thirty eight percent extremely enthusiastic about those

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Speaker 1: happy twenty percent amongst those who are angry, And the

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Speaker 1: share of Americans who would be angry in the wake

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Speaker 1: of such a ruling is thirty six percent, which of

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Speaker 1: course outweighs the seventeen percent who would be happy. But again,

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Speaker 1: when you have, you know, basically a double digit enthusiasm gap,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be the biggest thing. And the

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Speaker 1: final thing I will say before I get a reaction Crystal,

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Speaker 1: is that abortion is just not the only factor for

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Speaker 1: most voters. Yeah, Republicans hold a narrow edge on the

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Speaker 1: generic ballot forty nine, which is immense you know, seven

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Speaker 1: point which remember the Crystal and Saga rule add like

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Speaker 1: three points, right, No, ten points is more likely to

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Speaker 1: see what it is whenever it's the GOP and whenever

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Speaker 1: you look at it, inflation is a number one concern

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Speaker 1: amongst voters. Another Gallup thing came out. We'll be talking

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Speaker 1: to Mohammed units from Gallup. I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: this with him. Gallup which came out this morning. They're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: for the last year, single theme, we're getting hammered grocery

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Speaker 1: store gas. It's killing us at home. So look, this

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Speaker 1: could be the one area where material politics can trump

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Speaker 1: everything be just because inflation is so out of hand

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Speaker 1: for most people's pocketbook. I think that the big question

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Speaker 1: and why it makes it complicated to understand how this

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Speaker 1: may all play out politically, is because midterm elections are

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Speaker 1: so much about base turnout. So you already had Republicans

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Speaker 1: like the people who are going to be super psyched

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Speaker 1: that ROLLA was overturned. Those people were already psyched up

858
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: to vote for Republicans this fall. So the difference is,

859
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, is this for young voters who were disgusted

860
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: with the Biden administration, you know his approval rating has

861
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: fallen off a cliff with them, are they going to

862
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: now be motivated to vote, come out and vote for

863
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 1: Democrats because of this decision. I don't know the answer

864
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: to that. To that, I think that's really an open question.

865
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: You know. I think the Democrats have a weak case

866
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: to make of basically like re elect us and we

867
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: promised this time will be different, we'll actually do something

868
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: about it. However, you know, when you've got Mitch McConnell

869
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: out there basically saying yeah, we might do the federal ban, well,

870
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: then the Democrats don't actually have to do anything because

871
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: you can just say, well, you don't want listen, we

872
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: may not be ready to codify row into law and

873
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: provide you with the protection you actually want. But what

874
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: they're doing is way worse. So once again, it's the

875
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Democrats the ability to do nothing and just say, but

876
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: we're a little better than the Republicans, and you know

877
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: it's existential, so you have to come out and vote

878
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: for us. Will it work? I don't know. I do

879
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: think that if you were going to probably the place

880
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: where this may make things more difficult for Republicans and

881
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: have the biggest impact is like in some of the

882
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: suburban areas where they were hoping with Trump not on

883
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the ballot and where you know, parents have been frustrated

884
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: with Democratic policies on schools, but also on you know,

885
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: inflation and gas pumps and all that stuff. Maybe this

886
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: helps to allow Democrats to shore up some of the

887
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: voters that they had won in previous elections. Maybe that's

888
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: the place where there's the biggest impact. It's really hard

889
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: to say, you know, it was really interesting. There was

890
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: a comprehensive study of all of the abortion pulling since

891
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade was ultimately and go ahead and throw

892
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: this tear sheet up on the screen. This is from AEI,

893
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: and it was pretty interesting digging into this. So they

894
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: say attitudes about abortion a comprehensive review pulls from the

895
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies to today. One of the things that stands

896
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: out the most is that people's sentiment hasn't changed much

897
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: to like, it's remarkably steady on this issue. There was

898
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: generation you pro life increase in two thousand and eight,

899
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: and right, I mean, overall attitudes have basically existed within

900
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: the same band, within the same margin for almost fifty years.

901
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: There has been a little bit of an increase in

902
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: the number of people who say that abortion should be

903
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: legal in all circumstances and a little bit of a

904
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: decrease in the number of people who say it should

905
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: be illegal in all circumstances. But overall you continue to

906
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: have a dynamic where you know, those two positions, the

907
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: sort of you know, the most extreme positions are supported

908
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: by the fewest numbers, and the bulk of people either

909
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: say it should be legal in most but not all circumstances,

910
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: or it should be illegal in most but all circumstances.

911
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: And the other thing that really comes out is that

912
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: the American people are able to hold two thoughts in

913
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: their mind about abortion at the same time. Here's what

914
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: they said in this They say Americans appear to be

915
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: simultaneously pro life and pro choice. At numbers of people

916
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: say abortion is an active murder, but they also say

917
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: that the decision to have an abortion should be a

918
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: personal choice. These are contradictory sentiments, yet many people hold

919
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: them at the same time, and many see no reason

920
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: to resolve the tensions. In these positions, they believe in

921
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: the sanctity of life, and they also believe in the

922
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: importance of individual choice. I personally don't think that's crazy.

923
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you have two competing moral claims here, and

924
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: so most Americans are able to look at that and say, Okay, well,

925
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, there are some circumstances where you know, I'm

926
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: really not coming. When you talk very late in the pregnancy,

927
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: that's a very different deal than very early on, and

928
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: I feel very differently about it. I don't think that's

929
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: a crazy thing whatsoever. And so when you take in

930
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the fact that people hold both of these thoughts in

931
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: their mind, that's why when you end up being the

932
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: party that's on the extreme side of this debate, you

933
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: are not going to have the American public broadly with you.

934
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: And even within the Republican Party, there's a significant chunk

935
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: that is not going to be comfortable with always illegal

936
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: in all circumstances from the day of conception, and you know,

937
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: from the moment you you have a fetal heartbeat. There's

938
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: a significant chunk of even the Republicans who are not

939
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. Look, we are social Libertarianism is baked

940
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: into the American's blood. Live and let live. So many

941
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: people can say, well, I personally would not you know,

942
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: go through with that. But you know, especially in an

943
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: increasingly secular country. I mean, look, the country was dramatically

944
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: more Christian in the nineteen seventies whenever this happened, and

945
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: people still when they were literally church going Christians still

946
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: said yeah, I think it should probably be legal up

947
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: until the first time, and I mean think compare that

948
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: to today. I'm not talking about atheism. I'm talking about

949
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: like general secularization, decline in church going membership, and all

950
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: across the board in the way that people believe, you know,

951
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: agnosticism being dramatically increased, and even among self identified Christians,

952
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: the way that they actually believe in God is dramatically

953
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: dropped over the last twenty to thirty years, especially in

954
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: the last decade well in that country, and especially amongst

955
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: the Republicans. I've been beaten this probably to it like

956
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: a dead horse. But the new Culture War is not

957
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: the cratic really in nature at all. And that's part

958
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: of the problem, which is that this returns us to

959
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties types of debates where actually a lot

960
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: of the political correctness movement was on the left back

961
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: in the nineties against the moral majority of the right.

962
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: So it really is scrambling of the way that a

963
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: lot of things are. It's kind of a return to

964
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: like almost a South Park era like during the George W.

965
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Bush administration in terms of making fun of and going

966
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: after Theocratic Christians. That really is the change, you know,

967
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: where it's like a flash in the pan moment that

968
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: reminds us that these wars are not one hundred percent settled.

969
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty interesting, you know, in terms of

970
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: that survey of the data that even in a very

971
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: very much more Christian nation at the time, the sentiment

972
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: really has not changed. Yeah, yeah, it really is interesting.

973
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: It's another one where there's a little bit of generational

974
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: differences but not much, which is also very unusual in

975
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: terms of our politics. Most of most of the issues

976
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: that we talk about in debate here, younger generations tend

977
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: to be much more liberal, much more progressive. You're there

978
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: isn't quite that divide, which I guess makes sense when

979
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: you talk about older generations having personal firsthand experience with

980
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: what this actually looked like and the sort of visceral

981
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: fights of that time. But yeah, I mean, overall, looking

982
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: at the polling, I think you'd be hard pressed to

983
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: make the case that this totally you know, changes the

984
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: game for Democrats. But are you going do you now

985
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: have Republicans on the defensive having to try to spin

986
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: like you know, Governor Tate Reeves of Mississippi did in

987
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: the you know that we were just talking about, and say, well, yeah,

988
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: that sounds really terrible making woman carry pregnancy a term

989
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: who was right, But it doesn't happen all that often.

990
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: That's just not a strong leg to stand on. It's

991
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: not a strong leg for Democrats to stand on when

992
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: they say, you know, partial birth abortion. You might not

993
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: like it, it might feel like really terrible to you,

994
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: but it doesn't happen that often. If something is if

995
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: you believe that something is morally wrong, it's morally wrong,

996
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: whether it happens in one instance or a thousand or

997
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand instances. So I don't think that that's

998
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: a particularly compelling dodge here. Ultimately, that it doesn't happen

999
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: that often, and your point about all it takes is

1000
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: one horrific, morally outrageous instance where you put a face

1001
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: and a name and you really viscerally understand this to

1002
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: actually completely upend the national debate and have a significant

1003
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: impact on our politics. It's happened before it can happen again,

1004
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: let's move on. This is really interesting in terms of

1005
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: elked pitch deck from Elon Musk, who's wooing investors in

1006
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: order to join him in his takeover of Twitter. Let's

1007
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. The Daily Mail

1008
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: did the best job I think in a headline of

1009
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of aggregating the top line. That's what they're really

1010
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: good at, right, So they don't break the news, but

1011
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: they always do the best headlines. Here's what it is.

1012
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: Elon Musk plans to fire one thousand Twitter staff Quinn

1013
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: tipple revenue, get sixty nine million users to pay three

1014
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: dollars a month, and to cut reliance on advertising income.

1015
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: In terms of his presentation to investors, so the plan

1016
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: to twipple Twitter revenue is the main top line here

1017
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: for the investors. They want to increase revenue to twenty

1018
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: six point four billion dollars by twenty twenty eight. Now

1019
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Twitter made five billion dollars just

1020
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: last year, and they didn't even make that much in profit.

1021
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: Some of the things I've been trying to emphasize for

1022
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: a while is Twitter is actually not a very good

1023
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: business from a technology point of view. They do not

1024
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: print money in the way that Google and Facebook have.

1025
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: They're much smaller in terms of their market cap, They're

1026
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: much smaller in terms of their overall revenue. Their overall

1027
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: business model is really not that good. They have a

1028
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: great product which elites love, but they've never found a

1029
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: way in order to monetize that effectively. What Elon is

1030
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: saying is that for people who have significant platforms, I

1031
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: guess we would qualify for that. I don't know, let's

1032
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: talk after this. Would we pay actually in order to

1033
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: increase that? So what he's saying is that people who

1034
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: have large platforms which rely on Twitter in order to

1035
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: talk to their followers would have to pay for that privilege.

1036
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: It actually makes quite a bit of sense to me.

1037
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean if you think about whenever we have major

1038
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: announcements or things that we want to direct elite way,

1039
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: or you know, just in general to have links everywhere

1040
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: we use Twitter. I use Twitter in order to gauge

1041
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: sometimes in the general discourse of national politics. Would I

1042
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: pay three dollars a month for that? What do you think, Crystal? Yes, yeah,

1043
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I think I probably would. Mean the problem is, so

1044
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: here's here's the concern. I mean, there's a couple things here.

1045
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: First of all, there were some thought going into this

1046
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: of oh, he doesn't really care about the money. Yeah,

1047
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: he cares about the values. Well, now he cares about

1048
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: the money because Tesla stock has gone down. That doesn't

1049
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: seem to be the case. I will divide a little

1050
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: bit in the decline in the public markets, and when

1051
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: you're borrowing billions of dollars based upon the value of

1052
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: your stock, is like, well, now you need to care

1053
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: about the money, yea, because you don't have as much money.

1054
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: But the minute that you I mean, he's still like

1055
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: the richest man on the planet, so he's doing okay.

1056
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: But the minute that you move from all right, we're

1057
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: just going to focus on these values too. All right,

1058
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: we got a like quintuple revenue in a couple of years. Here,

1059
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: you're going to have some moral You're going to have

1060
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: some moral and ethical dilemmas, and it shoes that you

1061
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: have to deal with now. In general, I wish that

1062
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: the entire social media ecosystem had been much more dependent

1063
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: on subscriber fee. I mean, I wish they were public

1064
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: utilities and that they were effectively nationalized. But that's another

1065
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: debate for another day. But I think it would be

1066
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: a much better ecosystem if it was less dependent on

1067
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: advertiser revenue, because that's how you end up with the

1068
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: sort of like healthscape of algorithmic like you know, agitation

1069
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Speaker 1: and fear mongering and outrage and division, and that's how

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Speaker 1: you end up in that place. And that's also how

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00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: you end up with, you know, people who are susceptible

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00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: to this having this sort of like issues with addictive

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00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: behavior because ultimately, you know, if you are an advertiser,

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: what do you want. You want people to be on

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00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: there looking at your ads for as much time as

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00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: you possibly can, whether or not that is a good

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00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: experience for them. So bottom line is you haven't been

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00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: the customer for these platforms. The advertisers have been, and

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00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: that creates a very different dynamic. So I don't I

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with the idea of moving more

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00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: towards all right, if you're like a super user like

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00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: us and you can afford three bucks a month, no

1083
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: problem that you're going to need to pay for that privilege.

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00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: Have a problem with that. The issue that I have

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: is that he in The Verge actually wrote this up.

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00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: He also in this pitch deck says that he expects

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00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: Twitter to earn some portion of its revenue through data

1088
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: licensing a business that involves selling the millions of daily

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00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: tweets on its platform to companies and developers that then

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: analyze that data from market insights or consumer trends. So

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: right now, under the current terms of service, you own

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00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: your tweets. This seems to raise the question of whether

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: that might change, and whether it might be Twitter that

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00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: owns your tweets and is then able to do what

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00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Facebook and so many of these other companies do, package

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00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: up your data and sell it off so that you

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00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: can be pitched to bys. I didn't even catch this

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00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: advertising companies. So yeah, so they say last year Twitter

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: earned five hundred seventy two million in data licensing and

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00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: quote other revenue. Unclear on how if Must plans on

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00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: expanding this business. If they were to resell individual tweets

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00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: elon would quote have to radically change the terms of service,

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: not to mention face quote huge rev share and fair

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: use issues, as the copyright of tweets belong to the

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: users who posted them. So that's one part that is

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00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: potentially troubling here. I don't have an issue with moving

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: away from the advertiser backed model to more of a

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00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: subscription model. I mean it echoes. Part of what we

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00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: do mean huge believance. It's what we do here, as

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: long as you're making it available and accessible to all

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00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: people so that it doesn't become, you know, a class

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00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: issue and people can't afford to pay, don't have access

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: to that. I think we should charge people like us.

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00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: We need it for our jobs. Yeah, so I don't

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: have an issue with that. This is the big question

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00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: mark of what exactly they're thinking of doing here, and

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: per the presentation they plan. Currently Twitter it relies on

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00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: ninety percent of its revenue from advertising. He wants to

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: reduce that down to forty five percent, which actually is

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00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: a perfect really in terms of balance and in terms

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00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: of overall you know, cyclical business within the ad model.

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: People remember advertising, you know, peaks during certain seasons, you

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: make the bulk of your revenue at a certain time.

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00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: It's a totally crazy business for anybody who's involved in this.

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Speaker 1: And the most reliant and best thing in the world

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: is just consistent revenue that comes in on the basis

1127
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: we can speak from personal experience, that's how you pay

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00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: your bills and you make sure that this stuff actually

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00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: all gets paid on time. I do want to you know,

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: emphasize though, that some of the partners that he's bringing

1131
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: in here are some unsavory characters and very contradictory to

1132
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: some of the original stuff, which I'll talk more about

1133
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: my monologue. Let's get this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Take a look here at some of the nearly seven

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00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: billion dollars that he's currently filed in terms of commitments

1136
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: that he's gotten. So that includes major billionaires like Larry Ellison, Finance,

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: and Sequoia. I'm generally fine with institutional capital, but one

1138
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: on here bothers me a little bit crystal three hundred

1139
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: and seventy five million dollars from the Qatar Holding LLC

1140
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: aka the Katari Royal family and the Saudi Sorry, and

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: the Katari royal family as well as if you guys

1142
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: will remember the Saudi prince who he was tasseling with originally. Well,

1143
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: that guy has now agreed to convert his Twitter holding

1144
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: into stock in the company, So he will now be

1145
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: a nearly two billion dollar holder of the same Twitter

1146
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: under Elon Musk, so Musk does not have to buy

1147
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: him out. So Elon now faces the same Saudi problem

1148
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: that Twitter had in the first place. Now, I guess

1149
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's better on balance you have a guy

1150
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: who called him out in public, but like, is it

1151
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: still good when the guy owns when the Saudi's control

1152
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: two billion dollars worth of the company. Now for the

1153
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: inevitable comments, I know that the Kingdom Holding Company is

1154
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: not part of the actual kingdom itself. But given that

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00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: all the Saudi princes there are under the rule of NBS,

1156
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: and that guy literally got his ass thrown in prison

1157
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: by NBS, you tell me who runs a show in

1158
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, So I would say, now we have two

1159
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: Gulf kingdoms, not one, but have their dirty little hands diversity. Yeah,

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00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: he's diversified. He's got their hands in the company. I

1161
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: was an a racial comment, by the way, It's about

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01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: their general way that they approached politics and how they

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01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: buy lobbying influence here in Washington. I used to live

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01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: in Qatar. Let's just say it's not a very nice country. Yeah, well,

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: royal family over there is famous for these types of antics. Well,

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Speaker 1: I did do a little bit of research so that

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01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I had some specifics about their free speech position. They

1168
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: have a slew of loss about this, but there's a

1169
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: brand new one that they just passed recently that says

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01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: biased broadcasting or publishing can be punished by up to

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Speaker 1: five years in prison. Back in twenty twelve, a Katari

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: poet was sentenced to a lengthy prison term for reciting

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01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: a poem critical of the Emir in his private apartment

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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: while living abroad. He served four years in prison before

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: being released on pardon. I also wanted to mention you

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: know the billionaire on there, Larry Ellison, just in terms

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01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: of his views. At one point at least he was

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01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: critical of a Snowden, saying that Snowden had yet to

1179
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: identify single person who'd been wrongly injured by the NSA collection.

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01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Because Oracle does a bunch of business with the NSA.

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01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: That completely makes sense. You have to get people some insight.

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: I lived in Guitar, I went to high school there.

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I graduated from high school there. We were all terrified,

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: and we were made known to us, even as Americans,

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01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: that if we talked badly about the royal family. And

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01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: I went to the American school, so they're actually members

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01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: of the royal family. I actually will never forget this.

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Our principal had to clear the graduation date with the

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: guy who was graduating he's like, hey, are you good

1190
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: with this? Like, he's like, can we graduate on this

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: day so that the princes and all these people could

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: come a whole different days. Let me tell you something,

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: I've never appreciated the First Amendment and all that more

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: until I set back foot on American soil and I

1195
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: was like, thank God, I'm out of this hellhole. Because

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: living under an actual Islamic theocracy, I don't think people

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: can really appreciate what it's like to say, hey, like

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you're seeing all these unjust things happening

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Speaker 1: around you. I was in a unique position because you know,

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: obviously I'm of Indian origin and there are all these

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: basically Indian slaves who live in Katar and get their

1202
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: passports confiscated, and Qatar has all these like fake Well look,

1203
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: this was two thousand and eight, so it's been a while.

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's saw in the books, but

1205
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: at the time, they had all these complicated rules to

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: bar basically those people from public spaces. And they would

1207
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: come up to me and they'd be like, hey, what

1208
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: are you doing here? And I was like what and

1209
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you're American. They're like, you're good, you know,

1210
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: so they would like let you into a public space,

1211
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: but they would keep the you know, I mean, people

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01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: look just like me but happened to be from India,

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, elsewhere, and a lot of these guys. Part

1214
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: of the reason my parents left is because these guys

1215
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: would like come to my parents and beg them for

1216
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: money and ask them for help because they you know,

1217
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: because my parents at least speak the same language as them.

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: And they were like, you know, they're living under legit

1219
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: indentured servitude, like they have no freedom whatsoever. And anyway, look,

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you these are not good people. You don't

1221
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: want any business to do with them whatsoever, no matter

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01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: how fancy. The Alfani family, who are the ruling family,

1223
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: come to Washington, they wear their berbery scarves and we're

1224
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: just like you. It's like, no, we're not. I know

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01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: how you make you prep money, and I know how

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01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: you treat people, specifically women back home when nobody is looking.

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01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind about how these people really

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01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: live behind closed doors. They sit martiniz in DC, but

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01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: not over there. So some trouble in Camelot here, I

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01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: think fair to say in terms of listen, I mean

1231
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: this guy has his own interests Elon Musk and the

1232
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: idea that he's going to be the savior of free speech.

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01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: I think we should all temper our expectations here. Bottom

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: line absolutely speaking of free speech, we have a new

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary. Let's go and throw the announcement

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: up on the screen. We knew for a while that

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: Jensaki was stepping down. Now we have a date. She

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: is going to depart from the White House on May thirteenth.

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: President Biden has announced Kaarreine Jean Pierre as she will

1240
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: be promoted to assistants the President and White House Press Secretary.

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01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: I actually knew her a little bit back at MSNBC.

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01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: We were there. We overlapped at the same time. She

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: had come from move On, which you know previously had

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01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: been sort of like the left flank of the Democratic

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: Party pre Bernie and all of that. Move On with

1246
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean that was they got their start during the

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01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Iraq War. That was actually part of my first lie.

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: It was it would move on was the Winsky scandal.

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01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 1: That's what the whole thing was about. The Right during

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: their rock wars, like their second rebirth during Iraq, and

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: then they had their third rebirth becoming a cringe like

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01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: Resistance Live. Yeah, it's where they planned it. It is

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: sad that says. There's a lot you could say about

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: that particular arc. We'll save that for another day. She also,

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01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean she's been they say, a long time adviser

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: to Biden, served in senior communication political roles in Biden administration,

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: Biden campaign, and then Vice President Biden the Obama administration,

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01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: so kind of long time in the firmament of DC

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: Democratic operative. She was someone who had been floated for

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Speaker 1: this position. No big surprise ultimately that she got it.

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and throw this next piece up on

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01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: the screen. This is being celebrated as a huge history

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: making moment. First black person, So I actually didn't occur

1264
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: to me that there had never been a black person

1265
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: in this role before. So not the first black woman,

1266
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: but first black person and first openly gay woman to

1267
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: become White House Press secretary. So you know, we're not

1268
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: getting student loan debt relief, we're not getting healthcare, but

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01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: you are getting a queer black woman to be paid

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01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: to lie to you. So I guess that's what we're

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: going to count as progress. That's that's not particular to her.

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01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: That's just literally the job entails essentially. Look, this is

1273
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: always the case with these diversity things. It's like when

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: the Nasdaq said that you can't go public, or maybe

1275
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: it was a Dow Jones like you have to have

1276
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: a black person on your board. It's like, oh great,

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, now a black person on the board of

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Speaker 1: the company that will pay screw its workers, right, Or

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Speaker 1: like just CIA diversity. I mean it's not quite as

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Speaker 1: bad I think as the CIA diversity adds. But Jimmy

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Speaker 1: dore Once says something. He's like, Gina haswell broke a

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Speaker 1: class ceiling so she could use the glass to cut somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Like we I guess, I don't know, I forget it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, ellisten, it's perfect. It's perfect neoliberal brain to substitute,

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Speaker 1: you know, a sort of representation when as real progress

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Speaker 1: for the masses. But anyway, we'll see. I've nothing personally

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Speaker 1: against Koreeane Jean Pierre in terms of you know, when

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Speaker 1: I knew her at MSNBC or anything like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know anything about her. I've never had any personal experience.

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Speaker 1: My general reaction like is the cringe identity politics one

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Speaker 1: which is like everyone's like, oh, the first of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, why don't we go through a comprehensive

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Speaker 1: list of lies that she's already told on public and

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Speaker 1: then go through that and match that with her record.

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Speaker 1: That seems like a great act of journalism. I would

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Speaker 1: support that for Sarah Sanders, Kaylie Mcanenny, any press secretary

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Speaker 1: who is out there. That is something that actual journalism

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Speaker 1: should do. And also, you know Howie Kurtz over at

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Speaker 1: Fox News how to sit down with Jensaki and pressed

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Speaker 1: her about the ethics concerns. Not very good job, but

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Speaker 1: we'll play it for you. Nonetheless, it's important to remember this.

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Speaker 1: No press secretary, to my knowledge and history, has negotiated

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Speaker 1: a contract with a private news organization while remaining the

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Speaker 1: press secretary. You and I knew. Everybody knew this lady

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Speaker 1: was going to MSNBC. Everyone, all of her former colleagues did,

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Speaker 1: Josh Ernest, Ben Rhodes almost been from the Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: They at least had the dignity to leave first. You

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Speaker 1: can't leave and then go over to thirty Rock and

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Speaker 1: negotiate your contract. You should not be openly negotiating contracts,

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Speaker 1: or you're shooting Press secretary, and she assures us, I

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Speaker 1: consider myself a very ethical person. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: I know you can't discuss your next job for ethical reasons,

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Speaker 1: but it's been widely reported you've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: criticism over possible conflicts during this period. That that bother you,

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Speaker 1: of course, because I'm a human being. But what I

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Speaker 1: know is what I try to do every day, and

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Speaker 1: I hold myself to a very high ethical standard. I

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Speaker 1: took steps, and have taken steps as i've had any

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Speaker 1: discussions with any future employer that go over and above

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Speaker 1: any requirements by government, recusing myself of any discussions as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that, and I think in hope,

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Speaker 1: and this is very public. In a job like mine,

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Speaker 1: people judge me by how I engage and interact with reporters,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's been clear I've treated everybody the

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Speaker 1: same from the beginning, and that's been a point of

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Speaker 1: pride for me. Oh okay, like, what like what does that?

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Speaker 1: Even I consider I don't care about how you consider yourself.

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Speaker 1: Everybody considers themselves an ethical person. Nixon considered himself an

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Speaker 1: ethical person. Okay, I mean, here's the point, George considers

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Speaker 1: himself a devout, evangelical Christian who has done no wrong

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Speaker 1: in this world. Okay, I mean I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that based upon people I know who's spoken to him

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Speaker 1: specifically about the Iraq war. Does that mean that we

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Speaker 1: don't get to say, maybe, you know, consider yourself. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason that we don't leave ethical declarations up to

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Speaker 1: the people who are supposed to declare themselves ethical. I

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Speaker 1: think that's really the crux of this whole, especially in government,

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Speaker 1: Like what you're just gonna be like, I trust they

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Speaker 1: say they're doing the right thing. That's good enough for me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: come on. Also, I mean he asked the wrong question

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Speaker 1: here of did that basically like, how did you feel

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Speaker 1: about what a chicken? Wait? Yeah, it's like I don't

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Speaker 1: care how she felt about it. I care whether there

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Speaker 1: was were ethical violations here. I care what you actually did.

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Speaker 1: How did those conversations unfold? She's allowed to be very

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Speaker 1: vague about trust me, I did the right thing, and

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Speaker 1: you know you can see that I treated all people

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Speaker 1: the same. Also, given that he's at Fox News, I

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Speaker 1: think it'd be perfectly reasonable to say, listen, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism and justifiably about the revolving door

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Speaker 1: between Fox News and the Trump administration, But you know,

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Speaker 1: seems to be not the same level of concern here

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Jensaki. Although you know, this was

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Speaker 1: just to give you a sense of how sort of

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Speaker 1: outrageous and egregeous this was, even mainstream reporters, even her

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Speaker 1: future colleagues at NBC. I remember Kristen Welker asking very

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Speaker 1: pointed questions about how this was okay and how this

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Speaker 1: was ethically acceptable, And we still don't have any real answers,

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Speaker 1: Like it's one of I just can't understand. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you just leave and then make the call? You know,

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Speaker 1: why is that so difficult? Like are you are you

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Speaker 1: so hard up for cash, which, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: not true. I know that she's already made well over

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Speaker 1: a million dollars in the private sector. Well, she was

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Speaker 1: working for that union busting She's cash many old things

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Speaker 1: firm that was, you know, working with Amazon to help

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Speaker 1: bust the unions. So I'm like, you literally can't go

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Speaker 1: a day without a paycheck even though you made like

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Speaker 1: millions of Look, I'm not gonna judge your personal financial situation,

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Speaker 1: but like I'm just telling you, like, as a public official,

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Speaker 1: you have now comported yourself in a very significant problem. So,

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Speaker 1: as you said, even the NBC colleagues were like, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of messed up in terms of what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's incredibly outrage Yeah, cause they put

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Speaker 1: them in an awkward position. It should they have. They

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Speaker 1: have terrible appearance of that. Right, Okay, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: This is a very important confrontation that happened on Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill Senator Rand Paul pressing DHS Secretary Mayorcis about the

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Speaker 1: Disinformation Governance Board. And I think that Rand Paul said

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Speaker 1: something that we've been trying to emphasize here, which is

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Speaker 1: that the US government cannot and should not be able

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Speaker 1: to sort out what is disinformation because it has been

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest purveyors of disinformation in the history

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Speaker 1: of the world. Let's watch that confrontation. Do we have policies,

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Speaker 1: do we have guard rails? Do we have But here's

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Speaker 1: the problem, we can't even agree. We can't even agree

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Speaker 1: what disinformation is is you can't even agree that it

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Speaker 1: was disinformation that the Russians fed information to the Steele dossier.

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Speaker 1: If you can't agree to that. How are we ever

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Speaker 1: going to go to an agreement on what is disinformation

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Speaker 1: so you can police it on social media? I think

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Speaker 1: you've got no idea what disinformation is, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think the government's capable of it. Do you know who

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Speaker 1: the greatest propagator of disinformation in the history of the

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Speaker 1: world is the US government? Are you familiar with macnamaron,

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon Papers? Are you familiar with George W. Bush

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Speaker 1: and the weapons of mass destruction? Are you familiar with

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Speaker 1: Iran contra I mean, think of all the debates and

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Speaker 1: disputes we've had over the last fifty years in our country.

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Speaker 1: We work them out by debating them. We don't work

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Speaker 1: them out by the government being the arbitrary. I don't

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Speaker 1: want card rails. I want you to have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with speech. You think we can't determine, you know,

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Speaker 1: speech by traffickers is disinformation. You think the America people

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Speaker 1: are so stupid they need you to tell them what

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Speaker 1: the truth is. You can't even admit what the truth

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Speaker 1: is with the Steele dossier. I don't trust government to

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Speaker 1: figure out what the truth is. Government is largely disseminating disinformation.

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Speaker 1: He's right, Look, no matter who you are, mariorcis Trump, Obama,

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, all the way back. FDR that even the

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Speaker 1: best presidents they have sewed disinformation. It is the job

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Speaker 1: of the press and of a free society in order

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Speaker 1: to expose that disinformation, and for all of us in

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Speaker 1: order to consider the ups and the downs, and the

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Speaker 1: plus and the minus. So we should not have any

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Speaker 1: entity out there which is government affiliated issuing guidance on this.

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Speaker 1: I mean even I'll even go so far as to

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Speaker 1: say on the Russians, I don't think it is up

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Speaker 1: to America to say that the Russians are sowing. They

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Speaker 1: can say, look, we disagree, you know what this is said.

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Speaker 1: I think it should be up to us. They can issue,

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Speaker 1: you know, guidance or whatever, but they should not be

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Speaker 1: out there declaring and classifying things. Is then feeding that

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Speaker 1: to the tech company's crystal and that is what this

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Speaker 1: new board, by all accounts, appears to be doing. They

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Speaker 1: say we're gonna stick only to foreign disinformation. But as

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Speaker 1: rand Paul, you think we need the DHS to tell

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Speaker 1: us that people, you know, the drug smugglers, they're feeding

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Speaker 1: hard into people. Oh no, wow, what a novel concept.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of things I really appreciated about

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Speaker 1: that whole that whole speech. Uh. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: have a healthy bit of skepticism about Rand Paul, So

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Speaker 1: when I saw this going viral, I was not It

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Speaker 1: was not a sure thing for me that I was

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Speaker 1: going to like what he had to say. But there

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Speaker 1: were two things I really appreciated. Number one was that

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Speaker 1: he used examples that were from Republican administrations. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for a Republican to directly call out the George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush administration mass destruction, I mean, that's a very that

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Speaker 1: is a very new phenomenon, and it is not it

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Speaker 1: is not certainly across the board. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: in the Katanji Brown Jackson confirmation hearings how they were

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Speaker 1: still using this like, you know, trying to defend tour

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Speaker 1: and trying to use against her the fact that she

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Speaker 1: had been on the side of standing up for the

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Speaker 1: Constitution against indefinite attention and those things against her. So

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Speaker 1: those politics are not dead. There are still a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in the Republican Party who and in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party by the way, who still are totally in

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Speaker 1: like Meo con brain Land. So I appreciated that pointed

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Speaker 1: to irun contry. Of course, that's under the Reagan administration.

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Speaker 1: So that made the point really honest and salient because

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Speaker 1: he wasn't just cherry picking like the democratic abuses of

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Speaker 1: which there are many, right, Yes, so I appreciated that.

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Speaker 1: The other part I really appreciated was something that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about on this show here before, is he made

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Speaker 1: this comment like, do you really think that the American

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Speaker 1: people are so stupid that they can't figure out like

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Speaker 1: that smugglers are lying and trafficking and disinformation. And that's

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Speaker 1: to me, really the crux of this whole issue is

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Speaker 1: that you have a large and growing sentiment of elected

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Speaker 1: officials and also just you know, frankly regular Americans who

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Speaker 1: don't believe that their fellow citizens are really up to

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Speaker 1: participating as citizens in a democracy, that they can't handle it.

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Speaker 1: That concern has been present since the founding of the

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Speaker 1: republic literally, and that when you have that sentiment of like,

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Speaker 1: I can't trust these people on here to be you know,

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Speaker 1: in the messy give and take of a democracy and

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Speaker 1: figure things out for themselves with the help of a

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Speaker 1: free press and with all of the you know, wealth

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Speaker 1: of information that exists out there. In our ecosystem. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you get to that point, then what does that justify?

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Speaker 1: That justifies the you can't handle it. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we're going to censor you. We're not going to allow

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Speaker 1: you to say Seeta certain things. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: allow you to say certain things. It leads to police

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Speaker 1: state authoritarianism atmosphere. And it also leads to the flip

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Speaker 1: side of that is so we have to hand total

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Speaker 1: control to the experts. It's just this group of educated,

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Speaker 1: credentialed elites. They're the only ones we can really trust

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Speaker 1: with this governance and democracy stuff like democracy is not

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Speaker 1: for the people. And so I really appreciate that his

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Speaker 1: point gets at that piece, because I really think that's

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Speaker 1: the central that's why this debate is so incredibly important.

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Speaker 1: Nund percent. And let's just be reminded of who the

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Speaker 1: new head of this board is, the so called emotion

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: cringe person in the entire country. Literally, Yeah, like I said, look,

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: theater kid who, unlike me, was not mugged by reality

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Speaker 1: the worst of all worlds. Here's where she gave a

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: recent interview. I'll say, to listen, there's already this idea,

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Speaker 1: this allegation that there is anti conservative bias on the platforms,

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01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: even though there has been study after study proving in

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: fact that often it's liberal voices that are being silenced,

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01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: particularly minority voices on social media. Where do these fake

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: studies come from? Do I doubt that there are actually

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01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: liberals not the right word? Are there left accounts which

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Speaker 1: are censored? Yeah, all of the time. When we have

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Speaker 1: pointed to many of those instances, specifically, who are anti

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01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: imperialists or anti war or activists are the most likely

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: some of them may be people of color. Are liberal

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01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 1: voices BLM activists getting science on Twitter? Get out here? Okay,

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: that is the most ludicrous accusation. And they always come

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: up with this fake data and these experts in order

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: to just justify a censorious, elite liberal point of view.

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: I wish they would just say that they're like, listen,

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01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: we think some voices are abhorrent, we think others aren't,

1507
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: and not rely on all of this fakery. But look,

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: this is some deserve serious scrutiny. This lady is now

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01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: the head of a US government agency with possible power

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: over social media companies over very least guidance whatever that

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01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: means from the Department of Homeland Security, which is the

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: largest law enforcement agency in the entire United States. A

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: lot of people forget that they have immense power over

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: our lives. Yeah, I thought about her comment there a lot. Actually,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think it's a little revealing that

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: she just conflates liberals and people of color as if

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: there's no like ideological diversity. I'm sure that there are

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01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people of color who are being censored

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01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: who have sure dissident views. Yeah, like there's no dubta

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: about Well, there's no doubt about that. The reason why

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01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: you don't see liberal voices being censored like you do,

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, voices who are outside of the mainstream, is because,

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01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, these companies are run by billionaires and you

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01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: know they are culturally they are tend to have, you know,

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: a very specific sort of ideology that conforms with what

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01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, the liberal media wants to put out there. So, yeah,

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01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: if you're basically in line with the cultural views of

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: the powers that be, then you're not going to be censored.

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: You're you're not ultimately going to have an issue. To me,

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter which part of the spectrum is

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 1: being censored more or less, because this is a value.

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01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: It's about the values, it's about the principle, it's about

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: being committed to living in a democracy and what that

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: ultimately entails. So yes, absolutely right, Crystal, what are you

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,520
Speaker 1: taking a look at? Quite an epic week just unfolded

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: for workers, kept off by some utter betrayal from the

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: White House. Allowed me to explain. So on Thursday last week,

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01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: Amazon Leber union president Christian Small's testified in front of

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: the Senate Budget Committee on Amazon at Bernie Sanders request.

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01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty extraordinary. Chris was not having it

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01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: with Cenator Lindsay Graham's anti union talking points, and she

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01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 1: had a message for all politicians. It's not a Democrat

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01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: or Republican thing. It's a workers thing. It's a workers issue,

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01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: and we're the ones that are suffering in the corporations

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: that you're talking about and the businesses that you're talking about,

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: in the warehouses that you're talking about. So that's the

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: reason why I think I was invited today to speak

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01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: on that to have and you should listen because we

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: do represent yor constituents as well, So just take that

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01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: into consideration that the people are the ones that make

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: these corporations go it's not, it's not the other way around. Next,

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: it was off to the White House for a photo

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,440
Speaker 1: op with other workers and organizers from Starbucks and other locations.

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: Here are some the photos of Chris in his eat

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: the rich Jacket meeting with Biden, Kamala, and Labor Secretary

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01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: Marty Walsh. Biden apparently told Chris that he had gotten

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01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: him into trouble. Presumably Biden was referring to a moment

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01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: from a few weeks back when he said in a

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: speech Amazon, here we come. Of course, mere hours later,

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01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: his press secretary was at the podium to walk those

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: mild comments back. And so it was for the worker

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01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: photo op. Nice show is support, genuinely positive, symbolic step

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01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: forward as compared to the anti union or union in

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01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: different presidents. We've had my entire life. But mere hours

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01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: later we learned that while Biden might be willing to

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01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: pose with workers at the White House, he had already

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: sold them ount partners at the lever have that report quote.

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01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: Amazon gets huge contract despite Biden's union pledge. The president

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01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: promised to halt federal contracts to union busters, but the

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01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 1: deal was just re awarded to Amazon while the company

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01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 1: was crushing a union drive. So a massive ten billion

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01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 1: dollar cloud computing contract for the NSA was recently ratified

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01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: by the Biden administration, a clear violation of Biden's pledge

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: to deny federal contracts to union busters and to be

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01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: the most pro union president in history. And there is

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01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: no denying that Amazon violates labor law to bust unions routinely.

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 1: Their actions were so egregious in Bessemer that the National

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01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: Labor Relations Board actually forced an election do over, and

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01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: Biden's own NLARB prosecutors just found that Amazon broke the

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01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: law with illegal captive audience union busting meetings during the

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01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: Staten Island union drive. The NLRB also found that Amazon

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01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: illegally fired union supporter de Quon Smith. Smith has been

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01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: so hard hit by the job loss that he was

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01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: forced into homelessness and now resides in a queen's shelter.

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: So it's not like ambiguous or a matter of opinion

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01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: that Amazon routinely violates the law in order to bust unions.

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: They have repeatedly and consistently been found to do so

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01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: by official government bodies. Nor was Biden's pledge ambiguous at all.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Bernie Sanders just sent him a letter calling

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01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: on him to uphold this pledge, writing in part, as

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01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: you will recall, during the presidential campaign, you promised to

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01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: institute a multi year federal debarman for all employers who

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: illegally oppose unions, and to ensure federal contracts only go

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01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: to employers who sign neutrality agreements committing not to run

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01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: anti union campaigns. That campaign promise was exactly right today.

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01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: I am asking you to fulfill that promise. Now. Biden

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01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,480
Speaker 1: doesn't need Joe Manchin or Kirson Cinema or the Republicans

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01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: with the parliamentarian or filibuster reform to fulfill this promise.

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: He can do it all on his own. And right

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01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: now is an absolutely crucial time for Amazon labor union

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01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: because winning the election that was just the first step.

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01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: Now they've got to get a contract, and Amazon has

1603
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: already signaled they are going to do everything in their

1604
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: power to keep that from happening. They are bound and

1605
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: determined to snuff this budding union movement out, and the

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,799
Speaker 1: best way for them to do that is to screw

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01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: over these workers and show to the rest of their

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01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: workforce and to the nation at large that winning a

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01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: union did not deliver material benefits. The law requires Amazon

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01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: to negotiate a contract in good faith, but corporations use

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01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: every trick in the book to give some appearance of

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01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: good faith negotiations, when really their only goal is to

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01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: drive things down and maintain the status quo. That's why

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01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: one year after union elections, the majority of organized units

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01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: still have not won a contract, and according to the

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: Economic Policy Institute, two years after union elections, thirty seven

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,959
Speaker 1: percent of organized units still have no contract. Now, workers

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01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: can use militant tools like the threat of strikes to

1619
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: try to force employers to play ball. And Amazon definitely

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01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: does need this massive Staten Island warehouse in order to

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01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: service the NYC metro area. But what workers really need

1622
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: is a government that's going to back them up. Instead,

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: they're getting weak shit like this from Biden's Labor secretary,

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: Marty Walsh. The Vice President. We're there, I think speaking

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: with him at the White House. I think the President

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01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: popped into According to Chris Malls, he tweeted about it. He,

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: of course, as you know, is the guy who kind

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01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: of led that whole union effort at the Staten Island

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01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: Amazon warehouse. Secretary Welsh Amazon has been a recipient of

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01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: some big federal contracts. As you know, something senators like

1631
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, some labor leaders have said, should end for

1632
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: a White House that says they back unions and are

1633
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: pro unions. Should you be awarding federal money to a

1634
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: company that is perceived as anti union in this moment,

1635
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to go there right now.

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01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: What I think we need to do right now is

1637
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: encourage Amazon and Starbucks and other big companies in America

1638
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: that workers have taken a vote to organize and asked

1639
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: them to come to the table and sit down and

1640
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: work out and the room with them. These are workers

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01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: that work in an Amazon, whareh house, These are workers

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01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: that are working in Starbucks and some other other industries

1643
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: that were in my office today. Quite honestly, their employees

1644
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: have decided that they want to join a union, and

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01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: they should respect the right of their employees and what

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: they should do right now instead of stalemate, instead of

1647
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: trying to break the union, to sit down with these

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: workers and try and come up with an agreement to

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01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: move forward. And I would encourage all these companies to

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01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: do that because we're not at the point right now.

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't think where where we need to take any

1652
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: other action. It's really encouraging both sides sit done. So

1653
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to actually keep their promises or use

1654
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: the power at their disposal. They're just going to do

1655
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: a worker photo op and rhetorically encourage Amazon to sit down.

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01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's going to work out. I'm sure the

1657
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: power hungry, greedy grules at Amazon will hear Marty Walsh's

1658
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: encouragement and decide to do the right thing, putting aside

1659
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: their less for higher profit margins and dictator level coersion

1660
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: to deliver a fair contract for their new union workers.

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01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: This is far from over, though, friends. Amazon is bidding

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01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: on another multi billion dollar federal government contract, so there

1663
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: is still an opportunity for Biden to actually live up

1664
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: to his words and deliver for the workers that he

1665
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: is happy to pat on the back pressure slogan writes itself,

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01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: no union contract, no government contract. Right now is an

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01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: absolutely critical time his economy heads towards possible recession. We're

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01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: finding out whether the new union energy is a sustaining trend,

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: a true rebalancing of the scales towards workers, more of

1670
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan. Few things will be as

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01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: critical to writing that story as what happens with the

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: brave workers who you use unionized at Amazon. Chris Mals

1673
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: has said that he's now heard from every Amazon warehouse

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01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: in the entire country about potentially unionizing. A potential revolutionary

1675
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: groundswell is knocking at the door, and if Biden would

1676
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: do just a little more than a photo op, they

1677
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: might actually have a fighting chance. It's almost like Biden

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: is more concerned with offending his corporate buddies like Jay

1679
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: Carney than with the labor rights fight of the century.

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01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: And it really has become a pattern now, Sager. I mean,

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01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1682
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Sager,

1683
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? Before I begin, I

1684
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: want to say something clearly. I think actual critical and

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01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: analytical reporting on Elon Musk, his businesses, his ties to

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01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: different regimes, and generally how he wants to run Twitter

1687
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 1: when he eventually takes it over are vital and important.

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01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: But as always the biggest problem with our censorship and

1689
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: racial obsessed press is that they literally do the opposite

1690
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: of that. They sling ad hominem and in this case,

1691
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: false attacks which invalidate and possibly even discourage real reporting

1692
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: on the subject. The latest example is truly one of

1693
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: the most disgusting hit pieces that I've seen yet from

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01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: The New York Times, who wrote, quote, Elon Musk grew

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Speaker 1: up in elite white South communities in South Africa, detached

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Speaker 1: from Apartheid's atrocities and surrounded by anti black propaganda. They add,

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01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: he sees his takeover of Twitter as free speech win,

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: but in his youth did not affect the did not

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01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: suffer the effects of misinformation. Hmmm, So what's the takeaway

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: from that? Elon grew up in apartheid South Africa and

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01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: communities of racist but by growing up there, he did

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01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: not suffer from the dangers of racist misinformation. I'm skeptical,

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01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 1: but I'm open to it. But per the author of

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01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: the piece, Musk was sheltered from the disgusting nature of apartheid.

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01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: And yet in the very same story, the Times wrote,

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01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 1: Musk had non white friends growing up in South Africa,

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01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: which is actually pretty courageous considering it was the most

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01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: racially segregated, aggregated society on Earth at the time and

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01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: In fact, per one of his friends, growing up, he

1710
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: was actually bullied by his actually racist classmates for having

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: non white friends. That friend of his later recalled that

1712
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: Musk was one of the very few whites who even

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01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: attended the funeral of the man in their family's village

1714
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: at the time. Now, look, I've seen some derive this

1715
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: as yeah, but he has black friends. Defense. I have

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01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: a question to pose, how many of the woke people

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: saying that would have had the real courage to have

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01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: actual non white friends as a white person in apartheid

1719
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 1: South Africa, where you have to suffer very real social

1720
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and economic costs. I think we know the answer, but

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01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: let's continue on. The second accusation against Elon by the

1722
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 1: Times is that he grew up in elite white circles

1723
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: protected from the true cost of South Africa, which is

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01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: interesting because in the exact same piece they actually quote

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01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Musk's own father who says, quote as far as being

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01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: sheltered from it, that's nonsense. They were confronted by it

1727
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: every day, adding they didn't like it. Even notes that

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01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Mus's father was a member of the anti apartheid Progressive

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01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: Party while he was growing up, and finally, in one

1730
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: of the most significant and important facts here. Musk actually

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01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: left apartheid South Africa to make sure he did not

1732
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: have to serve in the military there, specifically because he

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01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: did not agree with the racial regime. Astrotechori'es Ben Thompson notes,

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01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: quote being a liberal with forbidden black friends under a

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01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: censorious apartheid regime that denied its atrocities is a powerful

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01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 1: origin story from must focus on free speech, so powerful

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01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: in fact, this takeaway shines through a ham fisted narrative

1738
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: insinuating the opposite. And that's really the repulsive part. If

1739
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 1: you read this story, you would have the opposite takeaway

1740
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: of the headline of a socially awkward person who had

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01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: non white friends, saw the crazy censorship of the apartheid regime,

1742
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: came to the West into America, and wants to make

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01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: sure such a system is not in place that resembles

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01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: anything like that of which he grew up in. Now, look,

1745
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: is that the noble intention of Elon Musk? Who knows?

1746
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: That's the real question. That is where the reporter should say,

1747
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 1: insinuating that Musk is some pro apartheid racists when the

1748
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: facts all literally point to the opposite. Is repulsive, and

1749
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: we all know why it's being done. It's because of

1750
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: a current and sorious nature of Twitter serves elite liberal ends.

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01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: As Freddie Deboorer so eloquently writes, quote, liberals and leftists

1752
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: are afraid because Twitter is where they perform the personalities

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01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: that they lack in real life, where they act like

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01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: the confident and clever people they patently aren't. Ooh, brutal

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01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: and absolutely true. The current version of Twitter is to

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01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: be protected at all costs because it fundamentally is about

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01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: elite comfort. That is how criticizing somebody became quote unquote harassment.

1758
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: That's how some stories get allowed and others don't. It's

1759
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: the mindset that leads to these insane feats of so

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01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: called journalism when real journalism is sorely needed. And as

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01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I pointed out in my own debunking of this article,

1762
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: we should have a lot more of this type of

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01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,879
Speaker 1: journal that we saw from the Wall Street Journal in December.

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01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: On Elon must ties to China his deep reliance on

1765
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the CCP for the Tesla supply chain, the subsequent reality

1766
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: that Elon could have had a serious problem on his

1767
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: hands if he wants to have Weiger activists in Hong

1768
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Kong freedom protesters on that platform. The Chinese have him

1769
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: over the barrel because of choices that he's made with Tesla,

1770
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: which is where the vast majority of his net worth

1771
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: is derived from. Not only that, but Elon has taken

1772
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: out billions of dollars in loans against his Tesl stock,

1773
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: meaning if the Chinese target the stock, they can specifically

1774
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: target his own personal net worth. Or how about this,

1775
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: After Elon tussled with the Saudi royal family on Twitter

1776
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: and stood up to them, why did he then bring

1777
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: in nearly four hundred million dollars of Katari royal family

1778
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: money to help him finance his ownership of Twitter. And

1779
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: in fact, as I said earlier, you remember that Saudi

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01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: prince that he was jousting with, Well, that prince is

1781
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: going to allow his stock to roll over under Elon

1782
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: and will retain a nearly two billion dollar ownership stake

1783
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: in the company. These are the stories that we need. Look,

1784
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: of course there is some coverage of this, but it

1785
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: is scammed and it doesn't dominate the conversation when really

1786
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: that's the only thing we should be talking about. As always,

1787
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: in the race obsessed press, in its attempt to take

1788
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: out Elon has honestly just made him stronger. If you

1789
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: care about real scrutiny of public officials like him, this

1790
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: is the absolute worst possible outcome that you could have.

1791
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's actually something I want to focus on. Which

1792
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: is that? And if you want to hear my reaction

1793
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: to Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints

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01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome to the show, Muhammad at Unis. He's

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01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: the editor in chief of Gallup. It's great to see

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01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: you in person. Man, it's great to be back in person. Absolutely. Okay,

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. How

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01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Americans feel about Row versus Wade? And Mohammed you are

1799
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: the data master over there at Gallup, and you've got

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Speaker 1: some interesting things to parse with us. So, first of all,

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01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and I know this is a tough question, how do

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01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: Americans feel about Row versus Wade and about abortion? And

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: are the two different subjects the second parts are? The

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01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: first part is actually really easy because in nineteen eighty nine,

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01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent of Americans oppose overturning Roe v. Wade.

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01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, you guessed it, fifty eight percent

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01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: of Americans oppose overturning Roe v. Wade, So there's been

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: very little change on people's attitude about the decision itself.

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01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. The other thing is just how

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01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 1: do people feel about abortion generally as a moral issue.

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01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: When you ask people the question along the very kind

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01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:37,799
Speaker 1: of partisan taglines pro life, pro choice, as you can imagine,

1813
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: people split right down the middle. But what's really interesting

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01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 1: is that the moral acceptability of abortion, just as a

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01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: concept that we ask in a list of moral issues,

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01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 1: has gone up, and there's been a general trend towards

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01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: people wanting to see less restrictive, not more restrictive, abortion

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01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: laws in America. So what I just mentioned are really

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01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: a compilation of like six or seven questions we've been

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01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 1: asking since really the eighties and more so really in

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01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: the mid nineties, and a lot of that time period

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01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a lot of change, but there has

1823
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: been this slight shift towards people wanting to see less

1824
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: restrictive laws, particularly as these cases have come up lately

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01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: in the last two years. So if there's sort of

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01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: a leaning in public opinion, it's in that direction. But

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01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: there are a lot of non traditional sort of left

1828
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: of the aisle, right of the aisle data points to

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01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: really think about. First of all, only a quarter of

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01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 1: Americans really think of abortion as like a voting issue

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01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: and that hasn't changed. Only nineteen percent of people who

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01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,839
Speaker 1: are proachoice say so. Obviously, that's going to be really interesting.

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01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: We're actually in the field right now updating all of

1834
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: these questions. So the one thing I'm really looking forward

1835
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: to educating myself on is has that changed as the

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01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,520
Speaker 1: President has now asked people to make it a foremost

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01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 1: issue because it really hasn't been for the left in

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01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: so long? Yeah, so is that the case? I mean,

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01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: the perception generally is that most of the people who

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01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: vote on abortion are on the right or on the

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01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: pro life side of the debate. Is that accurate? Has

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01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: that consistently been the case? It's accurate, But you got

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01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: to keep in mind that there are very few people

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01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: that really vote on abortion. Only a quarter or less

1845
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: of Americans say that they basically would only vote for

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01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,799
Speaker 1: somebody who shares their view on abortion. See, that's really interesting.

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01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: How do we parse then the salience of an issue

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01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: like whenever people say that, how do they exactly rank it?

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01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Because we've seen people say before I only vote on

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01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: economic issues, but that's just not true, like if you

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01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: go when you look at who they vote for or

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01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: the general types of things that they prioritize. So how

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01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: do we parse what people say they want and then

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01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: how they actually vote come vote time? And that's a

1855
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: really great question. And not only that, it's where are

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01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: you voting? Because in a lot of places where people

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01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: are voting, this is not really an issue. It's only

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01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: in very few districts or states where this issue has

1859
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: really been on the fence in terms of you know,

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01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: your vote swinging this way or that way really making

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01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: a big difference. If you live in California, you know

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01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: it's not going to change. But that being said, I

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01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: think that we really haven't and in our lifetimes, we

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01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: haven't lived at a time when the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States has brought this front and center to the

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Speaker 1: voting public as an issue to really think about. The

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01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: other thing is we don't necessarily we shouldn't necessarily assume

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01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 1: that everybody who's Republican is going to vote a certain

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01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: way and Democrat a certain way. It's important to keep

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01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: in mind that twenty two percent of Republicans describe themselves

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01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: as pro choice, and we've seen a few voices from

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01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: the right coming up and saying, you know, I'm a conservative,

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01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: but like when it comes to this issue, I have

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01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: a different view. So I don't think it's apples to

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01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:57,440
Speaker 1: apples kind of comparison. For those two factors, One, Republicans

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01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: are not as monolithic as people assume on being pro life.

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01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 1: And also the public focus now has really shifted towards

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01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: this issue just months before everybody goes to vote. The

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01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 1: other really big factor that is unique in this time

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01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: is people's attitude about the Supreme Court itself. The Supreme

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01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: Court just hit a record low in job approval just

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01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: a few months before all of this happened. So right

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01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: now the Supreme Court is at forty percent approval. It

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01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: was at fifty eight percent approval just very recently. So

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01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean from a legal as somebody the legal education,

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01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: it's been really cringe worthy to see those numbers and

1887
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: think about how the Court wants to present itself to

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01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,759
Speaker 1: the public as above the fray, above political issues, certainly

1889
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: above political leaks, and now this is really happening at

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01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: a time of extreme concern for the Court's jobs in general.

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01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: That being said, though, as an institution, it's hurting. And

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01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation before. Institutions in America generally have seen, yeah,

1893
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: have seen a declining confidence, but the individuals still have

1894
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of public trust. So Justice Roberts, we asked

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01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: a question about a series of federal officials. Justice Roberts

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01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: actually ranked the highest just a few months ago, sixty

1897
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: percent approval. Wow. Justice Kaitanji Jackson Brown had the highest

1898
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: in public approval of saying that she should be confirmed

1899
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: just a month ago. So it's not that everybody on

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01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is sort of despised, but the Court

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01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: has really now found itself right in the middle of

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01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 1: this political congress. Yeah. I was going to say, people,

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01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, tend to have a higher opinion of their

1904
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Speaker 1: member of Congress than they do as of the body

1905
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Speaker 1: as a whole. Are there generational differences in this issue,

1906
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: because it is fascinating to me how stable some of

1907
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: these numbers have been. I mean, you pointed out that,

1908
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, fifty eight percent of America and what was it,

1909
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, you know, we're opposed to Row being overturned,

1910
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: and it's still that exact same number, and there have

1911
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: been these chains on the margin. There seem to be

1912
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: I read a comprehensive study of all the different abortion

1913
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: data over like fifty years. There seems to be a

1914
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: somewhat larger group that wants it to be legal in

1915
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: all circumstances, a somewhat smaller group that wants it to

1916
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: be illegal in all circumstances. But overall opinions have kind

1917
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: of stayed within the same band. Is that because there

1918
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of generational differences, So as older folks

1919
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, phase out and new folks come in, it

1920
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: hasn't really changed the composition of how people feel about

1921
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: this issue. Yeah, there aren't a lot of generations. There

1922
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: are slight changes. Of course, young people are a little

1923
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 1: more likely, slightly more likely a few percentage points, But

1924
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: there isn't like this big shift between young and old

1925
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Speaker 1: for example, like when we see when you ask about

1926
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Speaker 1: hybrid work for example, or some of these other social

1927
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: issues that really break along generational lines. So no, we

1928
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: haven't seen that, But we also haven't seen the biggest

1929
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: decision on this policy issue up for grabs in public.

1930
01:39:55,320 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: So similarly, with the Trump election, we're talking about whether

1931
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Trump will be reelected. There's so many kind of go

1932
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: to norms that really don't apply this time around, and

1933
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: that's why I think we really need to keep an

1934
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: open mind with how this issue will play out, not

1935
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: only in the midterms, but also in an environment where

1936
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: inflation is absolutely the number one concern people are thinking.

1937
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: I was about to ask you about it. I just

1938
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: saw a Gallup thing this morning about inflation and about

1939
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 1: the saliens in people's lives. Can you tell us about

1940
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: that in terms of the last year and how just

1941
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: how much top of mind this is? Yeah, absolutely so.

1942
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: One of the questions we ask is what's the most

1943
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: important problem facing the country. We have not seen inflation

1944
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: or the cost of living mentioned anywhere near this level

1945
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: right now. It's about twenty percent of Americans just volunteer

1946
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: that answer. Really since the eighties. It was much higher then,

1947
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: but it's getting there. Where we really see concern is

1948
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,440
Speaker 1: when you ask Americans do they think inflation will continue

1949
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: for six months or longer? And a vast majority of

1950
01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 1: Americans do so. The outlook is really concerning Economic confidence

1951
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: index is something that we measure every month that's now

1952
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: not only gone into the negative but even further deeper

1953
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: into the negative. So the economy is very much on

1954
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: people's minds. We saw obviously the market last week had

1955
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: a disastrous week, So whenever that happens, you know, there's

1956
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a public opinion reaction to them. What will

1957
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: be happening in November, obviously it is so impossible to predict,

1958
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: especially in this era. But as you know, the other

1959
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind is, we don't we shouldn't

1960
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: necessarily assume that this is sort of the end all,

1961
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: be all decision of the court. We don't really know

1962
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: where stands. It is interesting that several of the justices

1963
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: have canceled all of their public speaking engagements pretty much

1964
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Speaker 1: in the next foreseeable future. So you're dealing with the

1965
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: court that really now is very serious of course about

1966
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: their image, but is facing a public opinion crisis that

1967
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: they haven't seen in their generation. And then, as we

1968
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: move towards the interms we played on the show today,

1969
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: some of the questions that Republicans are starting to get

1970
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: about specific restrictions. The Missouri governor was being pressed about,

1971
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, their specific law which doesn't provide any exceptions

1972
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: for rape, incest, or other circumstances. You have in Louisiana,

1973
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: and they're advancing bill that could actually criminalize women and

1974
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: put women in jail who seek abortions. So what do

1975
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: we know about how Americans feel about some of these

1976
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: specific restrictions that have been popular in red states. It

1977
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: is a very very low percentage of Americans that actually

1978
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: support that sort of I won't we'll call it an extreme,

1979
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 1: but an absolute position on abortion. So you mentioned earlier, Crystal,

1980
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: you know it's less than two and ten Americans actually

1981
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: say abortion should be allowed or prevented in all cases.

1982
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: Most people have a much more nuanced position. It's important, though,

1983
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: to keep in mind that these are national public opinion data,

1984
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: so how voters feel in Louisiana is probably a little

1985
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 1: bit different than that, but again it is it is

1986
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how the Court deals

1987
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: with really the Pandora's box now that's been opened, because

1988
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: on a political level, a lot of these laws are

1989
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 1: going to be put up there simply to kind of

1990
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: kick it through the field goal and see if they

1991
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: can score a touchdown to Supreme Court, and a lot

1992
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: of what we saw with the Supreme Court's approval rating

1993
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: really dipped when they failed to block. I think it

1994
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: was the Texas Law was the first law, and that's

1995
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: when we really saw that movement in the Court's approval rating.

1996
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: So not that the Court obviously is making decisions based

1997
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: on public opinion. We hope that they're not. And I

1998
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: know that some people think that they are, just that

1999
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: they definitely are. But but what is fascinating. What is fascinating.

2000
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: I know my law professors are like, what are you doing?

2001
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: But what is fascinating, though, is the decline in approval

2002
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 1: of the Court has been among Democrats, independents, and Republicans.

2003
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: So everybody's mad. They may be mad for different reasons

2004
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: at the Court, but everybody's mad at the Court. I

2005
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: submit that may be a good thing. Mommed, We really

2006
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much to you,

2007
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: thanks for having me, and congrats on the DIGS. Thanks

2008
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Speaker 1: to Yeah, I appreciate it. We will see you guys later.

2009
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching.