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Speaker 1: With Stu Gotts and Hawkman.

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Speaker 2: I mean the first edition of with Stu Gotts and

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Speaker 2: Hakman for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: No one thought we'd make it this far.

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Speaker 3: No, they did not.

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Speaker 4: Happy New Year to you, Mark Hackman, to you Taylor,

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Speaker 4: and to the audience, Happy New Year to everyone.

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Speaker 3: You're no one thought we'd make it too much.

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Speaker 2: You're right, and I'm talking about the people who were

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Speaker 2: listening in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: No one thought, I tell you.

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Speaker 2: We go back to Mark Hackman in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: four and ask me, after the first few weeks of

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Speaker 2: the Levatar Show, did I think in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: I would be meeting Stu Gotts for coffee in Boca. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And wouldn't have talked to my best friend Dan in

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Speaker 2: like five years.

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Speaker 1: I'd go, you're crazy.

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Speaker 2: Dan used to say to me at the beginning when

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Speaker 2: we started working together. You know, people like we were

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Speaker 2: best friends in college or good friends, I should say,

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Speaker 2: in colleges. But he used to say to me all

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Speaker 2: the time, he goes, you know, friends who create rock

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Speaker 2: bands together inevitably break up. Yeah, now go yeah whatever,

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Speaker 2: come on, we're having fun, we're doing the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Past Visionary twenty twenty six. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: have his phone number.

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Speaker 4: Used to say it on the air all the time too,

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Speaker 4: this is what breaks up rock bands. And I'm like, huh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: makes it seem like it was all planned.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So here's some dms that, Yeah, he was planting the

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Speaker 2: seeds early.

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Speaker 1: He knew he wanted out from me from my friendship.

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Speaker 3: He was playing seeds with both of us, and see I.

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Speaker 1: Was playing chess, I was playing checkers.

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Speaker 3: Got back, get out of me back?

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Speaker 2: So I told you you can always DM me on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Radio Mark Hackman. One of the things that I've really

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Speaker 2: loved about doing this podcast is people have memories of

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Speaker 2: and this I knew existed, but it is funny, and

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Speaker 2: we had mentioned it, I think a few episodes ago.

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Speaker 2: But the guy dms me, Hey, Hawk, the shows with

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Speaker 2: you and Stu have exceeded my already high expectations. The

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Speaker 2: he was upset about not being able to get Kenny

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Speaker 2: on the phone. I believe the guy would come on

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Speaker 2: Very hazy, but I remember the show playing it, so

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Speaker 2: that was true.

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Speaker 4: It was Ken Arnold, right, Yes, the hirsh Arnold team.

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Speaker 4: They used to come on to a stock market report.

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Speaker 2: Damnudly this would be It would be kind of like

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Speaker 2: and there's always this push and pull between sales and programming.

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Speaker 2: The difference was the unique situation was on our show

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Speaker 1: And it created weird moments where you would have to

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Speaker 2: I imagine you had to have a conversation with him

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Speaker 2: it and I'm sure knowing Dan, he said, the fuck

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Speaker 4: Yes, Selling it into Dan was harder than the actual

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Speaker 3: But the thing that worked in my favor Hock.

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Speaker 4: And you know this because at the time Dan was

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Speaker 4: The thing I would always throw with Dan is because

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Speaker 2: Well here it is so what happened, and it was

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Speaker 2: So at three point fifty seven I'd get Ken Arnold

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I remember correctly, I believe headed into this

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Speaker 2: You were getting I think you were getting picked on

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Speaker 1: And here's what happened.

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Speaker 4: I want to bring on my good buddy, Ken Arnold,

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Speaker 4: Everglades Capital Management, the hirsh Arnold team. Kenny, how you

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Speaker 2: The best part of that sense was I remember Dan

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Speaker 2: saying this for weeks and months afterwards. You hung up

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Speaker 3: Guys, figure it out.

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Speaker 4: I was so pissed off. I was already in a

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Speaker 3: It rolls down. Yeah, and then you know, and again

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Speaker 2: You, I know, and I'm probably outside in the hallways

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Speaker 2: Play it one more time, Taylor, but just focus on

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Speaker 4: how you doing today? Kenny waiting for Ken, trying to

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Speaker 4: hook him up here? Ken, you're with us. We'll try again,

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Speaker 3: You guys figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, you guys got him.

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Speaker 3: What I was staring into was a room and only

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Speaker 4: And I always imagine hot because you know this Kenny

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Speaker 1: There was the risk of that.

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Speaker 2: So I really used to try to time it out

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Speaker 4: Once you realize we got we arrived at a safe zone,

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Speaker 4: that's when you would start dialing up Kenny Arnold.

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Speaker 2: Right, which brings me to this next clip that I

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Speaker 2: DM all right this again, you can DM me radio,

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Speaker 2: Mark Hackman. I will try to get to all the things,

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Speaker 2: and honestly there are hundreds of them, so I am

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Speaker 2: picking and choosing, but I will try. I have a list,

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Speaker 2: so it says Hak looking forward to more upcoming pods

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Speaker 2: with you and Stu. I started listening to the original

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Speaker 2: show from day one. Can you discuss what happened to

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Speaker 2: Mike from nature Be? Dude was a regular on air

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Speaker 2: advertiser and then just disappeared. Did he go into the

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Speaker 2: witness protection program? You and I have talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Mike buck would come on. He was a representative of

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Speaker 2: nature Be. But I want and I think we've talked

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Speaker 2: about how you know difficult that was to to Finagel

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Speaker 1: And this was a really good account that you found, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was this was a really good account.

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, Mike was telling you what me

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, nobody, nobody reached out to me

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Speaker 2: Which I thought was strange, But no, no one, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, I always wanted you back.

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Speaker 4: I kept saying we should bring Hawk back, We should Hawk,

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Speaker 2: been weird. Just think it's been weird. But Petty for

448
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: what what did I do? That's the part that I

449
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: find so confounding, Like it's just a it's just weird

450
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: at this point.

451
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter anyway. We're having fun.

452
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,239
Speaker 3: You know.

453
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: There are some comments sometimes that I see on YouTube

454
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: where people are like, oh, a new grift playing Dan's

455
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: old clips and you guys comment on them, and I'm like, well, no,

456
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: we're playing our clips, like we're playing the songs that

457
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: we wrote and.

458
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: Said that Dan, And if you don't think that.

459
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to have a memory of ten years of

460
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 2: doing something in my life that I'm incredibly proud of

461
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: and I'm not allowed to talk about it anymore, what

462
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: did I sell my I've sold all my memories to Dan,

463
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: like he's j Peterman buying Crome.

464
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: We have the memories.

465
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 4: We're both super proud of what it is that we created,

466
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: along with Mike, along with Billy, along with Chris, along

467
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: with Roy Body.

468
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: Everyone is super proud of what it is that we built,

469
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: and so like, let me take care of this asshole

470
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: for you.

471
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 4: Okay, Hawk does his own show on WQYN and everyone,

472
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 4: and I do my own show, and I do two

473
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: a day. Stu got's a company of God bless football

474
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 4: and every now and then we'd like to get together

475
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 4: and take a stroll down memory lane.

476
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: Why because they're our fucking memories.

477
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: There you go. That's it.

478
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: That's literally it. I mean, it's just a passion project.

479
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: The only money I'm making is from cameos.

480
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm not making any and.

481
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: He's not making any.

482
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: I got a very nice direct message from someone we

483
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: did a cameo for. Yes, I gotta find it, hoc

484
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: unbelievable cameo. This special guy appreciates it. You gave me

485
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: two mount Rushmoores. How did you leave out Canada Goose?

486
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: We ended up giving him a mount rushmore of gooses right, yes,

487
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: which I believe in English will be Geese.

488
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes Goose Gossage, says Hack. The Stugots Dead Talk.

489
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: We were talking about the Grateful Dead, of which I

490
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: know very little was completely unexpected. Pure gold. Thank you

491
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: so much. Happy New weir to you. Like that New

492
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: Year mob there? Yeah we left off Fortief Goosen m m.

493
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: Yes, two time US Open championship.

494
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

495
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: So if you do want a cameo, and we do

496
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: have to meet at Meisner, they're gonna take down the tree.

497
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: But we have cameos to do today.

498
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 3: No, not today.

499
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: I'll let you and I'll let you enjoy.

500
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to the Winter Classic tonight, really little Panthers

501
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: Rangers action. That's gonna be fun. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna

502
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: be fun. Or hockey can't be that on a chilly

503
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: South Florida night and.

504
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 4: In the semi finals here and uh, I mean, what

505
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 4: a what a great time.

506
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: Our lives and yes, our lives. Yes.

507
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: So the Dolphins they they hired uh Troy yeah to

508
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: uh to help them in their search for a general manager.

509
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: I feel a Joe Bailey situation coming on. I'll explain

510
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: that to everyone.

511
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

512
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 4: Once upon a time, the Dolphins hired Joe Bailey to

513
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: help them find a new j general manager.

514
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: And Joe Bailey found it right in his own mirror.

515
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: He did hired himself for a very high profile, high

516
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: paying job, and then ended up talking about guys who

517
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: ended up on our radio show on a radio station

518
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: on a regular basis, like kenn Arhld and Mike mug

519
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: Joe Bailey gave himself a one.

520
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: Hour show, Yes, and during that one hour show there

521
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: was a time off air where he was heard saying

522
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: he wouldn't hire Mike Tomlin because he was too hip hop.

523
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, seemed to be a bad decision in hindsight, a.

524
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 4: Great decision for us, though, Like I was thinking about this,

525
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: because if Joe Bailey did the right thing and hired

526
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin, we would have nothing but five hundred football

527
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: talk about. And we always said either be sixteen to

528
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: zero or I went sixteen. And whoever they hired other

529
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: than Mike Tomlin gave us everything we needed. They were

530
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: really bad, but if they hired Tomlin, they'd be with

531
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 4: the Steelers.

532
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: Would have been the last fifteen twenty years. You know.

533
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Is it interesting though, that Troy Aikman is going to

534
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: help them and not Dan Marino because Dan Marino's on

535
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: the payroll and he's always in the suite with Stephen Ross.

536
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: What's his? Is he just an ambassador?

537
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: It is so odd that Troy Aikman is the guy

538
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 4: that's been chosen to lead a search for the next

539
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: Dolphins GN and it leads me to believe that Troy

540
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: Aikman is also going to find his next GNU when

541
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: he stares into.

542
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: His own error because I don't like, where did this

543
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: come from?

544
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: The story came out of nowhere, and so I feel

545
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 4: like they put it out there and it gives Troy

546
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: and Stephen Ross some time to get a deal done.

547
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: I think Stephen Ross sometimes gets enamored with celebrity, and

548
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: you know, Troy Aikman was on the call of that

549
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: Dolphins game where there were some quizical decisions by Mike

550
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 2: McDaniel at the end, and he was kind of blasting

551
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 2: them on Monday Night Football.

552
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: If you remember was that? What game was that was that?

553
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: I remember him doing it. I don't remember what game.

554
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: I forget who it was. It was Monday Night Football.

555
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: But do you think Troy would be up Do you

556
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 4: think Troy would be an upgrade over Tua.

557
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: I think he's as mobile.

558
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: I think though Stephen Ross could have reached out. You

559
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: know to Troy Aikman saying, hey, I heard you, you know,

560
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: blasting some of Mike's decisions on the on the broadcast there.

561
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: Did you think they were really that? And they end

562
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: up having a conversation. Then Stephen Ross goes, you know what,

563
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: let me hire you. I like your your opinion, like

564
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: I could see it happening.

565
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 3: Stephen Ross. Kind of thing to do.

566
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: Barry Jackson says, by the way, that Dan Marina will

567
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: also be involved in this, right all right, So.

568
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: Anyway, if you want a if you want a cameo,

569
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: and Troy Aikman's gonna join us on this podcast too.

570
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: We're going to hire him as a consultant. Figure out

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: I have his number. That's a segment that we could

572
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: absolutely do. Like random numbers that are in your phone, Yes,

573
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: because I've got some doozies.

574
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: Man.

575
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: I am convinced I have numbers where it still is

576
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 4: the person I think that it is. And Troy Aikman

577
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: is one of these people, and I do not have him,

578
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: and he acts like he's not Troy Aikman, that Troy

579
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: has a new number, But I'm really talking to Troy Aikman.

580
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: I believe that's happening to me.

581
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I do not have Achman. I was looking to see

582
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: if I have Joe Buck.

583
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: But when I put in b U C the first

584
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: name that comes up is Rick Buker, not.

585
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: Mike Buck, not Mike Buck either.

586
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: I have Joe Buck, I have Mike Buck, I have

587
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 3: all the Bucks.

588
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: You still have Mike Buck's number?

589
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: I do?

590
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: What would what would he do if you just fired

591
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: off right now? Happy New Year?

592
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Do you want me to? Yeah? Is he still with us?

593
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

594
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: It's a gutsy joke.

595
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm doing it right now because of his poor widow

596
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: of a wife.

597
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Did you do it?

598
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: Happy? To do it? What time is it in Sydney?

599
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god? That's oh great? If he texts back,

600
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: bring up the heath Ledger incident.

601
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: Remember that's time. I don't think he's gonna write back.

602
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: What time is it in New Zealand?

603
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

604
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 5: It's am in Sydney.

605
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: You just texted Mike Buck at three thirty in the morning.

606
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: Time for your hit?

607
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 5: Like?

608
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he's got you know he's got he's having BDSD.

609
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: How great would it be if if you text him

610
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: like you follow up? How are you feeling? And he

611
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: just sads very much alive.

612
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be stopped in a weekend's worth of conversation.

613
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: With my mock.

614
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: Holy shit, in four hours when he wakes up, I'm

615
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: gonna regret that.

616
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: If he's still with us, Oh my god, he's gotta

617
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: be turning to his wife this morning in Sydney.

618
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe this.

619
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 3: Who was that?

620
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: Honey?

621
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: You're not gonna believe this anyway.

622
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: If you want a cameo from me and Stu Gods,

623
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: go to cameo and search for Mark Hackman. I had

624
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: planned on getting to a k Raj clip of audio,

625
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: but we don't have time today, but we'll do that

626
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: on the.

627
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: Next It's such a great tease because it's one of

628
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: the most famous pieces of audio in the history of

629
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: our show.

630
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: Really listeners love it.

631
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, there's several moments that I have because it's from

632
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: a farewell sh to k Rodge. The DM I got

633
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: was I started listening to South Florida Sports Radio in

634
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. A question for you and Stu Gotts,

635
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: what are k Rodge and Guzio up to these days?

636
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: I remember listening to them before you guys back then

637
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: before you guys back then, along with Saddano and the

638
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: New Yorker who was always on The Howard Stern Show

639
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: though Sid Rosenberg. In the next episode, I'll have an

640
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: update for you on k rog and Guzio, but I

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: will also have some audio of k Rodger's final show

642
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: as the sports anchor on our show before he got

643
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: the midday job to himself.

644
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: So a great sports anchor.

645
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: Yes, he's talented. You found him. You found him on

646
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: super Bowl Radio Row.

647
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did find him on super Bowl Radio Row.

648
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: When you tell me what they're up to, it's gonna

649
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: be news to me. I'll be glued just like the audience.

650
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to find out before you are.

651
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: You want me to text them Happy New Year?

652
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: Would you? With Stu Gotts and Blackman