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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the NFL Players Podcast. I'm excited. I

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Speaker 1: got good friends of mine, Lennart Wieler and John Ramdell.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about sleep. That's right, Alan, I was said,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about practicing sleeping. Let's listen to guys. Here's

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Speaker 1: the first question. Why have we, as current players and

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Speaker 1: legends been sleeping on sleeping? Tell me about that. Let

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Speaker 1: you know, first of all, that's a great perspective. Why

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Speaker 1: haven't you been sleeping on sleeping? Because sometimes I think

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Speaker 1: we should always have the same that sleep is overrated. Right.

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Speaker 1: You hear so many people that are you know, especially

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Speaker 1: motivational speakers, where they're like, you can sleep when you die,

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Speaker 1: sleeping rating, get your work done, get you work done now.

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Speaker 1: And if you can sink, you can sleep when you're dead.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, those are the those are

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Speaker 1: the ways we grew up. We grew up in that

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Speaker 1: era to where you know, people thought sleep was overrated

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Speaker 1: and this don't you agree with that? Gun? I do?

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Speaker 1: You know what the thing about it? I think if

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Speaker 1: you go back in history and you look at athletes, gladiators,

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Speaker 1: sleeping was just wherever you could lay down grass on

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Speaker 1: the floor, We never really put that much thought into

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Speaker 1: it about how much better rest we would get if

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Speaker 1: we had a better bed and in a better place

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Speaker 1: to just lay your head. So I think that's a

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Speaker 1: big part of it. Hold hold of John, we're football,

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Speaker 1: we're legends. You're talking about a bed. A bed has

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Speaker 1: something to do with man. We used to better sleep

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Speaker 1: on the floor in the locker room. Exactly how was it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. I remember when I

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Speaker 1: was in high school, I would sleep on the floor,

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Speaker 1: take some towels, just lay some towels down, because he

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Speaker 1: was just trying to just he thought, just just getting

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Speaker 1: a little rest, just a little time to give your

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Speaker 1: body to recuperate. Me personally, when when I got I

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Speaker 1: bought a bed I got I mean I bought it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a better better in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and I never really put that much thought into it.

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Speaker 1: As I got older, I felt uncomfortable in my bed.

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Speaker 1: Everything started changing because you mean you getting older. I

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Speaker 1: think he really put a lot more things in perspective,

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Speaker 1: and so for me, that was one of the reason

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Speaker 1: why the Sleep number three six smart bed was was

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Speaker 1: an easy switch. Here's a question, is how has sleep

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Speaker 1: help affected your life as a player. You know, one

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Speaker 1: of the things Near is. I think educating myself on

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Speaker 1: sleep has been bidal for me because number one has

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Speaker 1: helped me to educate my kid. You know. Number two,

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Speaker 1: It's helped me to understand that I'm more productive, I

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Speaker 1: can think better, my brain health is better, my cardiac

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Speaker 1: health is better, and I'm gonna be more alert as

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Speaker 1: I learned how to sleep better. You know, I used

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Speaker 1: to think that taking a twenty minute naw was overrated.

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Speaker 1: Man If I take a twenty minute now, that means

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Speaker 1: I'm lazy. If I'm taking a CST, that means that

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting my work done right, you know. Or

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Speaker 1: if I'm not staying up late at night, I'm not

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Speaker 1: important sleep is for heart health as well. A Joe,

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Speaker 1: do the sleep challenges for both aspects of your life away,

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Speaker 1: going to sleep as well as being away overall. For me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a person who needs eight hours of sleep,

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's about six hours is all I need.

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Speaker 1: The challenge for me was from playing football to being retired,

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Speaker 1: and I just man, it was trying to get used

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Speaker 1: But that was the biggest challenge for me. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: I still don't use an alarm clock, and it's from

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Speaker 1: what I've read and what I've heard, that's where you

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Speaker 1: So that's the way I went about it. What about you, Lena,

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Speaker 1: You know what I think I think for me it's

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Speaker 1: I have to create a game plan, like I literally

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Speaker 1: I know what's gonna happen. Right, John, you mentioned something.

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Speaker 1: We have all these machines that can read our all

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Speaker 1: of the parts of our body, but you said something

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Speaker 1: When it has gotten a proper amount of rest, it

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Speaker 1: awakens how simple and how important it is to keep

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Speaker 1: we become me luctant to go go by that, I

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Speaker 1: think as you get older, that's what you want more of.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean when you get older, you when you're younger,

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Speaker 1: Give me some yes. So so literally, now here's the

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Speaker 1: man uh for me, I go by because I work

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Speaker 1: If I eat what is it lamb chop? If I

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