1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field, unfortunately, to talk 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: about the end of the Green Bay Packers season twenty 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: to sixteen, a loss to the Detroit Lions. As we 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: talked about all last week, West, the Packers were right 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: where they wanted to be, the best position they could 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: have been in all things considered, when to get into 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and instead it's a loss to go home, 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: and the season is over and the Packers will not 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: be in the playoffs for the first time in Matt 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: Lafleur's four seasons as head coach. Yeah. And the other 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: thing is too, We've found out hours before the game, 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: minutes for the game, really that the Detroit Lions weren't 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: going to be in the playoffs either, as by the 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks winning that game. Again. The Los Angeles Rams 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: a lot of mixed emotions with this. You know, there 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: was a line and I'm not gonna be able to 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: like repeat it verbatim, but it was something that Alan 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Lazard said in locker room that really hit home with 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: me after the game, and that was basically there were 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: a lot of parallels in his mind between that game 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: against the Lions and what happened to the Packers a 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: year ago against the San Francisco forty nine ers. It 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: just offensively, there just wasn't a lot to push with, 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: and I think the Packers for the most part, stuck 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: to the game plan in the first half, the one 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: that I was calling for, which was run it down 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: the lion's throats. I mean, this is a team that 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: again gave up more than three hundred rushing yards to 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Carolina and also both you know, I had two hundred 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: yard backs in that game. Green Bay just could not 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: run the ball well enough against that defensive front from Minnesota. 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: They turned over the ball a couple times, and they 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: just didn't have the moments where they need to execute 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: in all three phases. A lot of good complimentary football 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: during the four game win streak for Green Bay and 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately none of that was there for them when they 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: needed it against the Lions. Yeah, I think the biggest 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: thing that I lament as far as this opportunity getting 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: away from the Packers boils down to the fact that 43 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: there had been so much that went Green Bay's way 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: over the previous month, not just winning the games obviously 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: that they needed to win, but the Packers could have 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: won those games and still headed into Week eighteen with 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: nothing at stake, because other things could have happened that 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: the playoff field could have filled up. There were a 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: number of things that happened. It felt like a gift 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: from the football gods that the Packers were in the 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: position they were in because of all the other help 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: that they had gotten along the way. And look what 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: happened to the Lions right up to the very end. 54 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: A crazy game between Seattle and the Rams, back and 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: forth and goes to overtime, and their playoff hopes end 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: with Seattle, you know, kicking an overtime field goal, and 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: the Packers got an opportunity dropped into their lap by 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of happenstance, quite frankly, and to let that 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: get away is really the most disappointing thing because there 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: could be some other years here coming up, whether it's 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: next year or further down the road, where you might 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: be fighting for a you know, a ten and seven record, 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: maybe even an eleven and six record, and you need 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: some help to get where you need to go, and 65 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: you don't know if that help is going to come. 66 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: And the Packers got all the help that they could 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: have asked for, and yet the opportunity was squandered. That's 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: the hardest part, I think for me to swallow, because 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: you just don't know if the fates are going to 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: smile on you that much when you're in that situation. 71 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: Ever again, yeah, people forget when they talked about run 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: the table. The Packers didn't run the table to get 73 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: a wild card spot. They ran the table to win 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: the division. Yeah, they actually that was a joint championship 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: for you know, that title this one. For them to 76 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: do it as the seventh seed with the wild card 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: on the line was pretty remarkable for the For the 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: table to be set the way it was for green 79 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Bay going into this one, and you know, and I 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: don't mean to be flip it and I don't mean 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: to be crashed, but it just it looked like green 82 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: Bay just didn't quite have it together and the Detroit 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Lions were the team that was playing to get in 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: the postseason. I mean, there was that quote after the 85 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: game and people laughed about it, and they kind of 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think bar still put up is like 87 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: the most epic postgame ever. But like look at that 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: postgame interview with Jamal Williams where he's crying about his 89 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: you know, losing his grandfather, dedicating the game to him, 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: but then just completely being revved up, you know, saying 91 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: that people counted us out. We weren't going to get 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: counted out. You know. I think it just shows you 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: the energy and the aggression and a team much like 94 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: last year when the Packers played them in the finale, 95 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: that isn't going to be told that they can't win 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: or they can't make the playoffs. And I just thought 97 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: Detroit played with that energy the entire time, and the Packers, 98 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: while good and spurts just they didn't have enough big 99 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: plays offensively. Defensively they had a few lapses and special 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: teams they really weren't able to make anything happen. Yeah, 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. For me. You mentioned the 102 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: comparison that Lazard made and to me, to me, the 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: comparison that I felt because of the way the offense 104 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: was struggling, and really, for me, this game comes down 105 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: to an offensive failure. Five of the first six possessions 106 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: for the Packers they breached the Detroit thirty five yard line, 107 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: and with five of six possessions breaching the Detroit thirty 108 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: five yard line, the Packers had nine points on the board. 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Between the goal to ghost, stop getting stalled, kicking long 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: field goals, the fumble by Aaron Jones late in the 111 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: first half, there were just so many opportunities, and to me, 112 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: the comparison was somewhat the Miami game on Christmas, where 113 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: the Packers had all these chances to pile up a 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: bunch of points. The difference was in Miami on Christmas, 115 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: the defense started taking the football away. And we had 116 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: talked about that all last week, how the Detroit Lions 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: were not a team that turned the ball over only 118 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: three turnovers, no interceptions from Jared Goff over their previous 119 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: eight games coming into Green Bay on Sunday Night in 120 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, and the Packers defense. While I thought, and 121 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: we'll talk about some of the problems in the second 122 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: half later on, I thought, for the most part, green 123 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: Bay's defense played a pretty solid game, but not getting 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: the takeaways that wasn't then enough to be able to 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: bail out an offense that was struggling and not getting 126 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the points on the board with the opportunities that it had. 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: That's the way the game felt to me. Yeah, and dude, 128 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: we said it all week long, the tarn Erment I 129 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: wrote a story about it for Crying Out Load on Friday. 130 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: I mean, the turnover battled green Bay's penchant for forcing 131 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: takeaways the last month of the season versus the ability 132 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: for Detroit to protect the football. I mean, Jared Goff 133 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: is one thing. I mean, the run he got on 134 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: to go ten straight weeks to end the season without 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: a pick after being intercepted by JayR Alexander Detroit, that's exceptional. 136 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: But you and I know better than anybody about what 137 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams is like. And Williams actually has a few 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: fumbles this year, but during his four seasons in Green 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Bay didn't put it on the turf once. Yea once. 140 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: It's like five hundred and sixty career touches. I mean, 141 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: they're just very good at doing what they do. And 142 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: I just thought the consistency of it, it wasn't going 143 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: to be a blowout by any means. You know, there 144 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: were some procedural issues for Detroit. There were some execution issues, 145 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: but in a game where it's going to be twenty 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: to sixteen, Mike, it stands to reason that two to 147 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: zero and the turnovercolumn is going to make the difference. 148 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: And for Detroit it did. Yeah, and it was that 149 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: the Packers end up losing the turnover battle two to zero. 150 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: The fumble by Aaron Jones late in the first half 151 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: was significant because the Packers are up nine to three, 152 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: looking like they're going to get more points, and even 153 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: if the offense was going to stall out again, if 154 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: you kick a field goal and go up twelve to three, 155 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: that's still a two score lead at the half. Instead, 156 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: the Lions recover the fumble, they go the other way, 157 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: get a field goal before halftime, and suddenly, instead instead 158 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: of twelve to three or maybe even sixteen to three, 159 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the game is nine to six. And for as much 160 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: as the Packers had controlled the back and forth the 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, as far as moving the ball up and 162 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: down the field, as much as the Packers had controlled 163 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: the first half, to only be up by three points 164 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: didn't feel good, certainly, didn't didn't feel right, and quite frankly, 165 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: it almost becomes a three to zero loss in the 166 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: turnover battle. When the failed fourth and one early in 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: the game, when Green Bay's on its own thirty yard 168 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: line that essentially functions as a turnover, it was three points. 169 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: It handed the Lions three points because the failure there, 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: Detroit is already in scoring range. The defense gets the stop, 171 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: but Detroit gets the field goal to tie the game 172 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: at three. At that point, I thought, defensively, really, through 173 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the first three quarters of the game, I thought the 174 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Packers played a pretty good defensive football game, only allowing 175 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, one really backbreaking type of play, which was 176 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: the play action bootleg and throwback across the field to 177 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Khalif Raymond down to the one yard line, which then 178 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: the Lions get their first touchdown off of that. But 179 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: then in the fourth quarter you saw the Lions really 180 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: establish the power running game with the play action off 181 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: of it, and you could see the rhythm that Jared 182 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Goff and that offense got into where they where they 183 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: drove for the touchdown that gave them the lead. And 184 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: then also in the last three minutes three and a 185 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: half minutes of the game, when they killed the clock 186 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: and didn't give the Packers another chance, that the power 187 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: running with the play action and the rhythm they were 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: in there. The Packers just couldn't stop it. And you 189 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: combine that, obviously with two egregious personal files by the Packers, 190 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the one on Russeul Douglas on the field goal at 191 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: the end of the first half, and then the one 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: by Kay Walker that changed a what was going to 193 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: be a second and nine situation into first and goal 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: on what became the go ahead touchdown drive in the 195 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. The Packers were not in a position to 196 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: be able to overcome those kinds of mistakes, and those 197 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: kinds of self inflicted wounds are what we saw many 198 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: times earlier in the season from the Packers, and it 199 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: bit them in the last game in the season and 200 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't overcome it. For all the names we talked 201 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: about going into this game, certainly there were the connections 202 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: with Matt Lafleur and Joe Barry with Jared Goff during 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: their time in LA. We talked about aman Ross, Saint Brown, 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: We certainly talked about Jamal Williams. I don't think you 205 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: could have spent all week on it. You couldn't really 206 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: do justice to what the Detroit Lions offensive line is now. 207 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: They took so many years there, Mike, where they were 208 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: trying to build that thing up. They've done it in 209 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: Taylor Decker and Penny Seul, I thought were one of 210 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the biggest reasons why they won this game when you 211 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: look at the fact of Packers edge rushers did not 212 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: have a quarterback hit, the pressures were minimal, and Golf 213 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: was able to operate the offense in which he wanted 214 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: to operate. And then I think about after the Walker penalty. 215 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, Green Bay is in a position there that 216 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: they were kind of in last week against Minnesota, right, 217 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: but they held defensively. Yeah, different part of the game, 218 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: but they weren't able to breach that defensive front in 219 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: this game. You look at it, Seul is moving people, 220 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: Decker's moving people. Frank reag now on a bad wheel 221 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: is moving people. Detroit is set up so well to 222 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: win in short yardage situations and I feel like that 223 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: seeing it firsthand twice this year. As much credit goes 224 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: to Jamal Williams for his seventeen touchdowns, that offensive line 225 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: creating opportunities for him was fantastic. Like I've said an 226 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: insider inbox, the fact that the Lions got off to 227 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: such a slow start. The NFL got real lucky. The 228 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: NFC got real lucky because I think this is a 229 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: team that can give a lot of teams problems. Yes, 230 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: they might not be as good on the road as 231 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: they are at home, but I'll be honest with you, Mike, 232 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: on Sunday night, they look pretty darn good. Yeah. And 233 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: we had talked about we had talked about how last week, 234 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: how this was going to be such a different matchup 235 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: in the trenches from the game against Minnesota, and not 236 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: just because Minnesota was banged up on the offensive line. 237 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Even if Minnesota had all their preferred starters on the 238 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: offensive line, this was going to be a different matchup 239 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: in the trenches, and it played out that way. I 240 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: agree with you totally with what you're saying about the 241 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: guys on Detroit's offensive line. I went back and glanced 242 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: at the film the Packers goal to ghost situation early 243 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: on in the game. I can't remember his first name 244 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: at the moment, but his last name is Bugs number 245 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: ninety six, big defensive lineman. First down, first down, he 246 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: whips Josh Myers and gets and gets the tackle. On 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: the running play. Second down, he whips Elton Jenkins and 248 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: gets the tackle on the running play, sets up the 249 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: third down. The Packers can't score and you kick the 250 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: field goal. This was a different matchup in the trenches, 251 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: and the Packers didn't and it wasn't It wasn't just 252 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: one guy, you know. And the Packers made the switch 253 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: at right tackle, putting Zach Tom in for Josh and Iman. 254 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: But the problems upfront for the Packers were not just 255 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: because of Josh and Iman at right tackle. There were problems. 256 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: There were problems across the board in this game. And 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: uh and when the other team, when the other team 258 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: has your number in the trenches, it becomes a very 259 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: very difficult game to win, and the Packers just didn't 260 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: have enough to win it. I don't know what happened 261 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: with Detroit's defenses year with Aaron Glen, and obviously we 262 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: heard about the mid season shuffling they had. I haven't 263 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: watched a lot of lines football outside of preparing for 264 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: these games and watching these two games. There must have 265 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: just been something in the water for how Glenn attacked 266 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: them and how they were able to have as much 267 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: success as they did. I know they mixed their coverages. 268 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: I know they did a lot of different things, but 269 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: like green Bay had such a difficult time working sideline 270 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: to sideline in this game. It's not about they just 271 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: didn't weren't able to run the ball. They weren't. They 272 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: were disrupting what green Bay typically does well with their motions, 273 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: with their move stuff, their play action. I mean, they 274 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: had some success with Christian Watson, but for the most part, 275 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Detroit did an exceptional job of neutralizing that and taking 276 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: green Bay out of its rhythm. Yeah, I mean eight 277 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: quarters against the Lions this year, the Packers only scored 278 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: two touchdowns. Al Lazard had a touchdown in Detroit. He 279 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: had the one in the second half on Sunday Night, 280 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: and yardage wise, the Packers moved the ball in both 281 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: games against Detroit, but anytime they got within scoring range, 282 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: it became a huge struggle to do what you needed 283 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: to do to get the points that you needed to 284 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: get in those opportunities. And that's really how both of 285 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: those games played out, where the Packers defense didn't play 286 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: that poorly, but yet the offense wasn't able to take 287 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: advantage of what it had. And two losses to the Lions, 288 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: two very very agonizing and maddening and frustrating losses to 289 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: the Lions is why the Packers are not continuing to 290 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: play right now. Yeah, And it was, like you said, Mike, 291 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: it's in a situation where so many things had to 292 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: go their way, and they did, and green Bay took 293 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: the field on Sunday at home in their place, and 294 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: whether that was what twenty outside I mean, like you 295 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: thought this was setting up in aligning to be the 296 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: type of game green Bay needed it to be to 297 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: be able to make that trip back to the postseason. 298 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: But as we saw over the course of those sixty minutes, 299 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: specifically the last fifteen just wasn't meant to be. Yeah, Well, 300 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of sponsor business here. 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On Monday, the day 308 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: after the loss, we had the final open locker room 309 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: session and then also heard or the final time as 310 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: far as the season goes from head coach Matt Lafleur, 311 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: I want to touch on some of the reactions and 312 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: comments from that before we sign off for today. The 313 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: locker room reaction there was, and I wrote about this 314 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: on the website if for those who want to check 315 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: out the piece I put together on the Packers processing 316 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: their emotions and the uncertainty. And as always at this stage, 317 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of uncertainty about the upcoming offseason, certainly 318 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers being at the top of the list, and 319 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into all the speculation in 320 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: this and that Aaron Rodgers is going to make his 321 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: decision at some point, he'll do it in a timely 322 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: fashion and the Packers will make their plans for twenty 323 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: twenty three moving forward from there. The sense I got 324 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: in the locker room west was that was that while 325 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: there was there was a certain amount of pride that 326 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the players had in turning around a four and eight 327 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: season that looked like it was going nowhere and being 328 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: able to give themselves a chance, there was just there 329 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: was a ton of regret that all of that effort 330 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: to turn it around and generate something in a positive direction. 331 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Ended up going for naught because they didn't get their 332 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: shot at the postseason, which which is what the players 333 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: play for. That that's the sense that I got. I 334 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: was in the locker room in Chicago and in Miami, 335 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: a very spacious locker room in Miami, when the other 336 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: media were not able to get to the game. I 337 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: was in there after they beat the Rams, and I 338 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: definitely was in there after they beat the Vikings as 339 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: we do our postgame media responsibilities. And as I walked 340 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: into the locker room on Sunday night, and guys, you 341 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: know that we were all let in a little bit 342 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: earlier than usual because you don't have to go over 343 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: what to tomorrow's schedule is or anything like that. Most 344 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: of the guys were in their lockers taking their clothes off. 345 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: There was Tyler Davis. This image of Tyler Davis that 346 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I think is going to be burned on my brain 347 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: until I leave this earth, still in his pads, with 348 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: his hands up, with his jersey everything hands up. You're 349 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: just staring right at the middle of the locker room, 350 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: something I never really quite seen before. And I was 351 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: in Seattle and fourteen. I've seen a lot, you know, 352 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: over the years and what these locker rooms can be like. 353 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: And I think it was that I'm not going to 354 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: speak for Tyler. I always spoke with Jason Wilde about this, 355 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: but it was that realization that not necessarily that everything 356 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: you've done for was for not but more just the 357 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: idea of you. The work they put in not only 358 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: this season but specifically over this last month, the energy, 359 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: the enthusiasm, the positivity, the ability to not cast stones 360 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: at each other, the ability to look at each other 361 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: and say we can still do this. How it all ends. 362 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: Most seasons end this way for thirty one. Other teams, 363 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna end either with not being able to make 364 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs or losing when you get to said postseason. 365 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: But I think the Packers really thought they did have 366 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: something special brewing. Yeah, And it shows you when you 367 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: dig yourself into a hole the way that Green Bay 368 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: dug themselves into a hole. There is no margin for error. 369 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur mentioned the margin for error probably twenty times 370 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: since the end of the game on Sunday. It is 371 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: razor thin. There are things that need to change this offseason. 372 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: It sounds from what Matt laflor said. It won't be 373 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: on the coaching staff side of things. It's probably more 374 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: in terms of philosophy in terms of what's emphasized. But 375 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: the Packers do have a lot of work to do 376 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: because they still have big goals and there are a 377 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: lot there is a lot of talent on this football team, 378 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: and this year, for whatever reason, everybody they had, the 379 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: draft picks they made, the players they signed, the players 380 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: they retained, it wasn't enough to get them back to 381 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: that plate, that postseason dance. Yeah, and I wanted to 382 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: touch on some of the comments from Lafleur as well, 383 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: because because he said it, you know, towards the end 384 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: of his thirty minute you know, Q and A with 385 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: the media that when you have the expectations that you 386 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: have in Green Bay and you have a season that 387 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: ends like this, it's a complete failure. And and I 388 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: think I think that's a that's an important message to 389 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: the fans, just so that you know there aren't people 390 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: out there who think, oh, so the Packers won four 391 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: games in a row towards the end of the regular season, 392 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: like they really, you know, they really feel like they 393 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: have this figured out for twenty twenty three, or that 394 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: they're going to hang their hat on that or something 395 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: that is not absolutely not the message that Matt Lafleur 396 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: was delivering on Monday. There is a lot to study, 397 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: there is a lot to work on, a lot to 398 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: go over. He did say, as you noted, he's not 399 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: anticipating any changes to the coaching staff unless coaches get 400 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: opportunities promotions potentially to go elsewhere, which we saw happen 401 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: last year and one of those guys this wasn't going 402 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: to be part of the show, but again this is 403 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: this is Packers unscripted. Before we came in here to 404 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: tape this, I was working on an answer for the 405 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: Mornings Insider Inbox column because, um, a reader asked about 406 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: Rich Bisaccia and and I think asked a very good question, 407 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: how is this guy not being mentioned as a head 408 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: coaching candidate? And look, I'm thrilled Rich bisacci came to 409 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Green Bay and he, you know, did a whale of 410 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: a job with the Green Bay's special teams in one year, 411 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: turning things around significantly. Matt Lafleur is very, very excited 412 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: and appreciative of where that phase of the game is 413 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: for the Packers right now. But when you talk about 414 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: a coach that maybe could be looked at for a 415 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: promotion somewhere, you would think Bisacci is that is a guy. 416 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: But yet we're not hearing that. And and I honestly 417 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't know rich very well. He's only been here 418 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: for one year. We say hi to him in the 419 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: hallway sometimes if we pass, you know, walking by. But 420 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: I honestly feel, I honestly feel bad for him that 421 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: this is a guy that, to me I think should 422 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: deserves a shot as a head coach in the NFL. Well, 423 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: and just listen to these guys talk about him in 424 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: the locker room. It's one thing for Matt Lafloord to mention, 425 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's has our special teams pointing up. 426 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: But it's listening to what Mason Crosby, what Keyshawn Nixon, 427 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: what Kenny Clark would all these guys have said about him. 428 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: Whether you play for him or not on teams, there 429 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: is an energy that is infectious with him. There is 430 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: a it pushes guys to just want to play harder, 431 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: play better, learn more. He has He has a leadership 432 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: quality about him that is that is off the charts. 433 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: And yet yet it's it's difficult to describe in a 434 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: lot of ways, but he just he exudes leadership. And 435 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to turn this into finger 436 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: pointing or he said, she said, But like the part 437 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: I wonder you ask, hey, how is this guy not 438 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL? How is this guy 439 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: not the head coach at the last Vegas Exactly? I mean, 440 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: that's that's where it starts. He never wants he took over. 441 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: He took over an absolute dysfunctional mess as an interim 442 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: head coach last year, led the Raiders to just their 443 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: second postseason appearance since two thousand and two, and yet 444 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't really get serious consideration to take over that 445 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: job full time to the Packers benefit, because then he 446 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: came to Green Bay. But my goodness, like you know, 447 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders have been to the playoffs twice since two 448 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: thousand and two. He led them there when the season 449 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: was completely circling the drain. He led them to one 450 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: of those two in the last two decades, and yet 451 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: he's still not being considered a strong head coaching candidate 452 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: in the searches that are going on out there for 453 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: the Raiders. Last year or for anybody else this year, 454 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, and he had the ability 455 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: to actually kind of have the internship to have the 456 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: interim title there, and yeah, that wasn't the direction they went. 457 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: But be that as it may. The fact that you 458 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: listen to what Matt Lafloor says and what he's even 459 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: learned from him from Besacia here during their one season together. 460 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: If it works out that way, Bessaci is here, he's 461 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: developing a heck of a special team's assistant. And Byron 462 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: Storer and then also Michael Spurlock. I mean, the Packers 463 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: have an identity on special teams and the fact that 464 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: they've been able to do that in the span of 465 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: under a year, considering where we were last year at 466 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: this time when we were talking about things the band 467 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: a year before, and yeah, I mean, but I mean 468 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a credit to him and and uh, 469 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: you know, the Packer's ability to identify some talent on 470 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: teams and start developing some guys in that area as well. Well, 471 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go on like a 472 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: big tangent there, but it was it was it was 473 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: on my mind. I wanted to get. I wanted to 474 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: get your thoughts, uh um on it as well, because, um, 475 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, sub Man. Five different places he's been west, 476 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: he's had either associate or assistant head coach as part 477 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: of his title Mississippi and College and then four NFL 478 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: teams before coming to Green Bay. He doesn't have that 479 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: as part of his title in Green Bay. Matt Lafleur 480 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have that title necessarily on his staff. But um, 481 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: but I mean it, yeah, it's it's it's a head scratcher. 482 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: Can I be an assistant senior writer? Can I an 483 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: assistant like it's like the office, like assistant to the 484 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: regional manager, assisted to the senior writer. Maybe we'll work, 485 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: will work on that. That's not even that's not even 486 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: my call. You can go to ourt. You can go 487 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: to our boss, assistant, the assistant senior writer. All right, Well, 488 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: before we go, any other any other thoughts comments that 489 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: we heard from the locker room or from Matt Lafleur 490 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: on Monday, that that you want to mention here before 491 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: we go. We didn't get a chance to talk about 492 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: it because all the unfortunate minus negative things that happened 493 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: to the game. But but Christian Watson, uh and the 494 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: way which he came on this season was talking with 495 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: Robert Tunyan and Alan Lazard a little bit this week, 496 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: and you know those guys after the game on Sunday, 497 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of feeling it a little bit. They came 498 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: up short. Christian Watson one hundred yard performance. We've seen 499 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: it time and time again with him, the way he 500 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: can spark an offense. In Lazard and Tony, you know, 501 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: they went up to him afterwards and basically just told 502 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: him like, good job, Like they didn't want to make 503 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: it into this like oh, we're proud of you kind 504 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: of thing, but like the way this guy composed himself 505 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: overcame the knee injury, overcame two separate hamstring injuries, had 506 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: a very scary concussion in Buffalo, and kind of willed 507 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: the offense in the second half of the season. Tonyon 508 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: even said it like he sort of is what made 509 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: them go the second half of the year. Yeah, you did. 510 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: Mattal Floor said it. I mean like they feel like 511 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: they haven't even touched the surface with this kid's potential. 512 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: And when you're looking at bright spots, when you're looking 513 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: at things to hang your hat on for the future. 514 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: The Packers had to make a huge move last March 515 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: when they finally traded Davante Adams. I don't think when 516 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: you and I were sitting here wrapping up the season 517 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: and unscripted last year, we thought, under any circumstances, Davante 518 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: Adams wouldn't be on this team in twenty twenty two. Correct. 519 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: That's the way it all played out, though, and the 520 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: Packers needed to get that pick right when they did 521 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: acquire those extra picks to be able to go and 522 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: get a guy like Christian Watson to come in that 523 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: has the potential. Adams had a phenomenal year this year 524 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: with the Raiders, but I think with Watson, you look 525 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: at his numbers, you look at the separation, you look 526 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: at all the things. Whether he builds up some more strength, 527 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: whether he gets the route running down a little bit better, 528 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: this guy's going to be the ultimate weapon here, and 529 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: the Packers at least have him in the fold now 530 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Yeah. Absolutely, the future is um 531 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: tantalizing and exciting when it comes to when it comes 532 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: to number nine, Christian Watson, his UH three one hundred 533 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: yard receiving games as a rookie first Packers player to 534 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: do that since with three one hundred yard games in 535 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: a rookie Seasonsiving Sterling, Sharp, No, Greg Jennings, Billy Houghton, 536 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Billy nineteen fifty two, Bro Taylor and I Taylor Taylor 537 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Rodgers who produces and shows all the Packers daily segments 538 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: that that you see on the website and on cable 539 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: TV and whatnot. He and I double checked it. It 540 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: was a It was a note that he had found 541 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: Greg Jennings, Sterling, Sharp, James Lofton all had like two 542 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: hundred yard games. Watson had three in the last one 543 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: with at least three. Billy Houghton had five back in 544 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. So just something to think about seventy 545 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: years and Watson basically did that in half a season. 546 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: Considering when he became a regular part of the offense. 547 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: What a season. Sterling must have had an eighty seven though, 548 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: because then he had like eight hundred yards. It was 549 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: eight eighty eight, But yeah, he had he had he 550 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: had about eight hundred yards. He had about eight hundred yards, 551 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: but only only twice did he actually go over one 552 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: hundred in a game. And that's why next season we 553 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: have to get Spofford Stats and info. We gotta get 554 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: sales to sell that. We gotta have that. I gotta give, 555 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: I gotta give the the I give the uh, you know, 556 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: Tom Fanning, Nate la Cassio, those guys upstairs that do 557 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: a tremendous job on that. And then also Taylor Run 558 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: don't give you don't want to give Taylor any crown 559 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't. Well, I'm giving him credit because he brought 560 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: me that. He brought me that stat this morning when 561 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: I shot Packers Daily, when I first walked into the office, 562 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: and we double check just to make sure, because I 563 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: wasn't convinced until I checked James Lofton and Greg Jennings 564 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: and Sterling Sharp. But I'm excited for like nine o'clock 565 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: tonight when I get a text from you being like, oh, gosh, 566 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: darn it, James Jones did do it too. But we'll 567 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: just say that you're right. Yeah, we'll call it even. 568 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: All right. Well, we went on a couple of tangents 569 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: here to end the show today, but we will wrap 570 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: it up there. We will have another episode later this week, 571 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a season wrap up. We'll 572 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: also look ahead to the big wild card weekend coming 573 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: up in the NFL, the six playoff games, and we'll 574 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: give some of our thoughts on the postseason that lies 575 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: ahead for everybody else. But with that, I want to 576 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to, well, maybe I'll do the show 577 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: by myself for Wes. I am Mike. Thank you for 578 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, and we will see you next time.