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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hey, how you doing. Yeah, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I'm Eli, I'm Diana, and we are

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Speaker 1: very excited to have you always. Yeah. I hope everybody's

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Speaker 1: for this week, I hope it comes true. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: the right thing for you in the long run. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the universe knows that somehow, and so it's putting pieces

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Speaker 1: with you? What's going on with men? You know? This show?

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Speaker 1: I know, it's just nice to ask the show and

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Speaker 1: the fringe festival, and that's it. Yeah, Lanta Fringe Festival

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Speaker 1: It'll be in May, it'll be in May. How many shows,

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Speaker 1: How many days in? Uh, well, four days, four days,

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Speaker 1: stop adding work for yourself, I know, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: for them, it's for the artist, it's for the art.

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Speaker 1: It is an awesome event and we're all very glad

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Speaker 1: Fringe Festival because it's dope. It's awesome, cool, cool shows.

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Speaker 1: This year. We're really excited about it. I was not

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Speaker 1: Uh So that's just goes to show you how much

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Speaker 1: nepotism there is, which is none and all all the

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Speaker 1: perks I get are zero. Sorry, it's fine, I appreciate. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: but that's not the only place that you can check

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Speaker 1: out our work other than this show. Uh. Next week'll

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Speaker 1: be very excited to hear that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: on Ridiculous History with Ben and all again. Yes, those

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Speaker 1: what we come up with. Yeah, we're actually going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about Valentine's Day and all the many weird

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Speaker 1: So definitely check that out. I know, I I know

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Speaker 1: a few of you out there have have asked us

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Speaker 1: for a Valentine's Day or an anti Valentine's Day story

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Speaker 1: maybe um, but yeah, we saved it for history. We're

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Speaker 1: going to do it with our our own other cup. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was like, we maybe could go see Dulippa on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Oh man Alias coming, Yes, Yeah we should do that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of fresh, also coming up, you've heard probably next

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Speaker 1: going to be so cool. I love that it's decidedly

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Speaker 1: not about murdered women. You know, like, there's enough of

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Speaker 1: ridiculous crimes starting on the Yes, they're gonna be awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of ridiculous that day, because

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Speaker 1: you'all probably have heard of the band The Rolling Stones. Maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. William George Parks was born in nineteen

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Speaker 1: I have to be seen with other people to divert

423
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: attention from me, and you I don't. That's not even

424
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that's not a red flat. I mean that is like, uh,

425
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: it's like you went to the moon wrapped it in

426
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: a big red sheet and we're like, it's the universe's

427
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: biggest red flag. Run. So, Mandy's resentful about Bill's totally

428
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: understandable lifestyle, and so he told her that he was,

429
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: in fact see sarious about her, but he wanted her

430
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: to have some freedom as well. All the quote tension

431
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and uncertainty in their relationship led to a big fight

432
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: on Mandy's sixteenth birthday, not far from Bill's fiftieth birthday,

433
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: by the way. They had a big old fight and

434
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: they decided to go their separate ways. Yeah, phenomenal idea right.

435
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: Separate ways is great. Definitely should have always had separate ways.

436
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: She never been a parallel way, never should have united. No,

437
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: But Bill says it was just so tough their separation

438
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: because she just kept calling him quote for chats and

439
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: advice about singing and modeling, and he says, quote and

440
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: I phoned her occasionally, so you raggedy bitch. So he's like, oh, man,

441
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: well what am I supposed to do? She keeps calling me,

442
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: don't answer, don't talk to her. I shouldn't have I

443
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be talking. You need to find someone else

444
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: to help in your career. Click goodbye, block number. Never

445
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: talked to you again, Hey, assistant, don't tell me the

446
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: call if she calls she needs help. Also, stop calling her.

447
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I like how, He's like, it was really tough because

448
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: she kept calling me and I called her. I did

449
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: call her sometimes. On Bill, are you calling her? You

450
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: have nothing to say to her? Then on July, Bill

451
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: was really taken aback when Mandy was hanging out with

452
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: some friends and she didn't realize that one of them

453
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: was a reporter, and she just happened to casually mention

454
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: her close friendship with Bill, and Bills of course in

455
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: his book, he's like, and this was totally innocent. They

456
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: totally blew it out of proportion and drew all these conclusions,

457
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: and journalists surrounded Mandy's vacation spot in Spain and Bill's

458
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: home in Venice and Bill wrote, quote, I decided it

459
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: was my responsibility to get her out of Spain, so

460
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: I arranged a quiet departure and was immediately a used

461
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: of surrounding her with the Stones Mafia. Bill, I'm gonna

462
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: squirrel her away secretly behind secured like a secured location

463
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: with bodyguards. But why is everyone being so mean about it?

464
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: He says he thought that he never caused Mandy harm

465
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: quote quite the reverse. He said. He always looked after

466
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Mandy and treated her honorably and encouraged her to keep

467
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: her education going after she flunked out of school, and

468
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: he helped her with her career, and he hadn't introduced

469
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: her to alcohol and drugs. He quote simply wanted to

470
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: be with her. I'm just like, you can do some

471
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: of those things that definitely help. You can help someone

472
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: with their career, you can help a young person stay

473
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: with their education. Yeah, those are great things, and you

474
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: cannot sleep with them while you're doing that. Insane. So

475
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: right as all this was happening, the Rolling st Ones

476
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: were having a falling out because Keith Richards and Mick

477
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Jagger were having a huge fight, surely their first and last,

478
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: and Bill had some downtime. So in light of all

479
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: the controversy surrounding him and Mandy being publicly outed, they

480
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: decided to keep a low profile and not spend much

481
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: time together. Yeah, okay, it's all set, it's all done right.

482
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: But just as Mick and Keith were reconciling and getting

483
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the band back together, Bill and Mandy decided the best

484
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: thing for them was to reconnect as well. To be fair,

485
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: Mandy hadn't even been sure about this reconnection, even Scotland

486
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Yard had investigated their relationship, although no charges were filed.

487
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Just kind of well, you have a surprise to me.

488
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: But Bill says later in his defense, he says, I

489
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: went to Scotland Yard and offered them to interview me,

490
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: and they said they didn't care. Which might be Bill's

491
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: bullshit and might be I don't know. That's just what

492
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Bill said. Both sound believable to me. It might be

493
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: Scotland Yard been like, yeah, you're gonna tell us she

494
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. We already know what you're gonna say.

495
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: You're not a person I'm interested in talking to you.

496
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I got no new information from you, sir. So yeah,

497
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: so Mandy's not so sure about all this but according

498
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: to Entertainment Weekly, her mother Patsy reportedly told Mandy quote,

499
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: he's a rolling Stone and he chose you. Oh god, mom,

500
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: so she basically pushed her into accepting him. Yeah. I mean,

501
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: day one, this old man shows up at the house,

502
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: is like, can I date your daughter? And she's like, yes,

503
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: a pub since she was too, she's at that clubbing.

504
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: If she's gonna marry an older man, he might as

505
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: well be a famous rook star, I always said, always said.

506
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh god. So, after two years of dodging the press

507
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: and lang low, Bill called Mandy and said, how do

508
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: you feel about getting back together. She answered, I'd like

509
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: a more serious situation commitment by both of us. What

510
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: if we get engaged? And Bill said engaged, we might

511
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: as well get married, And in the spring of right

512
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: before a big American Rolling Stones tour, they married when

513
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Mandy was eighteen and Bill was fifty two. Now, Bill

514
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: thought the newspapers were great with these cute teasing headlines

515
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: like old Bill and Me, or why I'm going to

516
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: marry my Randy Stone, or maybe my favorite, Mandy's rolling

517
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: me down the aisle, Just a bunch of silly, fun

518
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: little laughs about their thirty four year age difference. Bill

519
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: literally wrote in his book like this was fun. I

520
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: liked this. They were just having a laugh. It was great.

521
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: But one aspect of media, he said, really irritated him,

522
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: really made this difficult. Bill wrote, quote, We'd given them

523
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: the hottest love story in years, but some writers still

524
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop taunting us. He was. He was outraged that

525
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the papers dared to suggest that there was anything ethically

526
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: wrong with their marriage. He wrote, quote, the Daily Mirrors

527
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: women's editor Christina Appleyard had the nerve to call me

528
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: geriatric and declared that I was old enough to know better,

529
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: even if Mandy wasn't. The nerve the call of that

530
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: woman geriatric me. You think I should know better, lady,

531
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't know anything that's true? Yeah right? How dare

532
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: you suggest I know better? I'm an idiots. Look at

533
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: the choices I'm making. If I knew better, I wouldn't

534
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: be doing it. A little bit of egg on your face,

535
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Christina Ard. So, despite Bill's utter disbelief that anyone in

536
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: their right mind could have a problem with the hottest

537
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: love story in years, I don't know where he got that.

538
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: That is a personal opinion. So I'm sorry it was

539
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: nineteen nine that was the hottest love story in years.

540
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: I had to be a hotter one than that, I guarante.

541
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: The eighties were all just about like crazy unprotected sex.

542
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: There's lots of hot love stories in the eighties. The

543
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: hottest love story in nineteen for years was an old

544
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: man marrying a teenager. Yeah, it's true. Then, I'm very

545
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: upset about the state of romance in the eighties and

546
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: nineties for real. Well, anyway, the wedding went off great.

547
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all very happy about that. Mandy wore

548
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: a satin gown of white with touches of peppermint green

549
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: and pink couch arming, and Bill wore a pearl gray

550
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: suit designed by Tommy Nutter, who was Mick Jagger's main designer.

551
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: It was probably like, you're also a Nutter, so you

552
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: should wear a Nutter on your wedding day. Mandy, you're

553
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: going to be marrying unreal Nutter. Music vows witnesses the

554
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. Bill and Mandy were united in holy matrimony.

555
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Five hundred guests were in attendance, including all of the

556
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton, who gifted him a set

557
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: of satin pajamas and said, at your age, you should

558
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: never get into bed naked. We're all having a good laugh.

559
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: Your wife should be in college, not even yet, I

560
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: don't think fuck. So, how well with this hot love

561
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: story workout? And also we've heard a lot about what

562
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: Bill thinks about all this and Bill's perception of this

563
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: whole thing. But what about Mandy, Mandy thinking and feeling

564
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: about all this. Let's hear more about that right after

565
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: these fine words, and welcome back to this disaster. That true. So,

566
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: at the time of their wedding, Mandy was suffering from

567
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: severe health issues. And when Bill left for the American

568
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: tour with the Stones, and he was gone for about

569
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: five and a half months, Mandy started losing weight rapidly,

570
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: and within a few months she only weighed eighty pounds.

571
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: She later blamed her health issues on birth control pills,

572
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: which she had started when she was fourteen years old

573
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: when she started sleeping with Bill. Now, when Bill came

574
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: home from the tour, of course he saw, you know

575
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: how much weight she lost, how unhealthy she was, how

576
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: much she was struggling. And you know, he must have

577
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: been shocked by this. After all, he had brought this

578
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: girl into a highly controversial life. He put his own

579
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: reputation and his own safety really on the line because

580
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: of how strongly he felt about her. He was it

581
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: was he was besotted, right, It was undeniable for him.

582
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: This was someone that he was willing to do anything for. Right,

583
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: and if they survived the whole world being against them,

584
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: then they could survive anything. Right. Nope. What Entertainment Weekly

585
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: writes that Bill Quote reportedly grew impatient with her health problems,

586
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: and their twenty three month marriage ended in a forty

587
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: second divorce. He said, by never mind this is any

588
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge at all. I'm out what a muscle, motherfucker.

589
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that. Oh my god, I should say too.

590
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: He His biography came out between their wedding and their divorce.

591
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: So the last thing he writes about Mandy in the

592
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: book is I just got back from the American tour

593
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: and my wife has all these health problems, and the

594
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: press is all saying that this is causing strife in

595
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: our marriage, but they're being ridiculous. And then he never

596
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: mentions Mandy again, and the book came out and they

597
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: got divorced. After that, I'm just going to immediately divorce

598
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: her for exactly that reason. No big deal, media, Wow,

599
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you make such a meal out of everything in the divorce. Mandy,

600
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: who seemingly came to her senses maybe by this incredibly

601
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: callous move by Bill, sought seven point five million dollars

602
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: out of the divorce, but in the end she was

603
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: awarded eight hundred and seventy thousand dollars, which I don't

604
00:38:52,760 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: know what would that be hered is, oh, one point

605
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: seven million dollars today, It's not bad, it's pretty good.

606
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: Deserved more, preserved, way more. Well, because you know he

607
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: had way more. Well, that's why she asked for so much. Yeah, exactly,

608
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: I know. You're good for Unfortunately, Mandy's health problems persisted.

609
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: It made it too difficult for her to continue her

610
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: career in music, but she was able to put her

611
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: experiences to work and decided to make a difference in

612
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: the world, and she and her sister opened their own

613
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: PR company in Manchester. In two thousand and five. She

614
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: decided to turn back to her Catholic roots and find

615
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: herself in religion and in she put herself in the

616
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: public eye again by calling for the age of consent

617
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: in the UK to be raised from sixteen to eighteen

618
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: years old. You go now, okay? So a BBC program

619
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten did a public survey by text

620
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: and they asked should the age of consent be lowered

621
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: from sixteen to thirteen? And while eight four percent of

622
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: respondence said absolutely, not that that's crazy, said yes. Now

623
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: the argument in favor, and I'll be the first to

624
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: tell you I'm not an expert in age of consent

625
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: laws in the UK, but the argument in favor of

626
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: lowering it was that official figures suggested that as many

627
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: as one third of children aged fourteen to fifteen were

628
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: sexually active, and the current legal limit prevented them from

629
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: being able to get support in issues like STDs and contraception. Currently,

630
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: if any individual has sex with someone under sixteen in

631
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: the UK, they may be charged with a criminal offense,

632
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: and if they're an adult that can mean up to

633
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: a fourteen year prison sentence, and if they're a minor

634
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: they could still face five years. So the issue is

635
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: that if two miners have sex, they're not going to

636
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: go tell anyone because they could go to jail, Like

637
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: we should lower the age of consent. So that they'll

638
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: feel comfortable right figuring out what that weird? But I'm like,

639
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: can you not do both? Can you not say the

640
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: age of consent is eighteen? And also, if you're under

641
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: eighteen and you're having sex, please come get help. We

642
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: will help you. We will not throw you in jail.

643
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: That's outrageous. It just seems like those things shouldn't be

644
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. Why can't you just write a line. Lawyers

645
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: like to write lines. By the way, if you're a

646
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: minor having sex you need help with pregnancy r STD issues,

647
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: you won't go to jail if you ask for help. Right,

648
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: There's a difference between saying if to fourteen year olds

649
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: are having sex, it's we're not going to put them

650
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: in jail, and if a fifty two year old has

651
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: sex with a fourteen year old, we will put him

652
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: in jail. Like, that's a very easy distinction to make

653
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: in your law. Come on, I'll say, I mean, I

654
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: have not studied the American age of consent laws, haven't

655
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: needed to um, but I'm not sure it were too much.

656
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: It would be like really weird. Right, I felt weird.

657
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: I was in the coffee shop and like I had

658
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: three windows open about age of consent in the UK.

659
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: I was like no one, so at least I was

660
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: doing the people and animals want to hear at home,

661
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: nice and safe. No one can judge me my tabs.

662
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mandy fought very hard to change the age

663
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: of consents in the UK. But like we said, there's

664
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: been no change. The age is still sixteen. And she said,

665
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: it's tough to put an age on it. But quote,

666
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: it's not about being physically mature, it's emotional maturity that matters.

667
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think most sixteen year olds are ready. It

668
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: should be raised to eighteen at a minimum, and some

669
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: girls aren't ready even then. I know people will find

670
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: that odd coming from me, but I do think I

671
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about here. You can never get

672
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: that part of your childhood back. I never could. That

673
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: breaks my heart, honestly, that quote really makes me sad

674
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: because clearly she was like kind of a wild child,

675
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: obviously encouraged by her mother to just do the word,

676
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: be the worst teenager that you can be. And then

677
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: as yeah as an older person, was like, man, you know,

678
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that over again and enjoy

679
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: that youth, because youth is very short in comparison to adulthood. Yeah. So, yeah,

680
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: that's very sad. And I think there's an argument, like

681
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: people trying to make the argument. I don't know how

682
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: many people, but people will say like, well, uh, some

683
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: cultures or you know, a long time ago, people used

684
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: to have sex at younger ages and things like that.

685
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, well, you know what, they didn't live

686
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: in this world. And quite frankly, that does make a

687
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: difference now. So even if like in the Stone Age,

688
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: people were having sex when they were very very young,

689
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: they didn't have to worry about the sexualization of everything

690
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: that kind of comes with that in this world that

691
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: we've built. And I think that plays a big part

692
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: in saying you know, yeah, I know, biologically sure, you're ready,

693
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: but mentally you're not, because look at every look at

694
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: everything that comes with it. It's not just about the act. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

695
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: Mandy still suffers from health issues, including what she believes

696
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: to be chronic fatigue syndrome. She has a small, gaunt

697
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: frame and says some people assume that she suffered from

698
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: anorexia because of her appearance, but says that was never

699
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: a problem for her. She had a son when she

700
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: was thirty one but never married again. She said, quote

701
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: God is the only man in my life now, and

702
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: she works with teenagers in her community to help them

703
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: find a better life than she did. Her advice is

704
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: quote everything clothes, films, talk is so sexualized. The girls

705
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: are under pressures to be a certain way. I tell

706
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: them being with a man isn't all it's cracked up

707
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: to be. Get a career, then you'll have self respect.

708
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna argue with at not being

709
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: all it's cracked up to be. But I don't know.

710
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: That just makes me sad. It's not only like clearly

711
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: a psychological impact that was made, but also a physical

712
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: health impact from if she's right about this birth control thing,

713
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: and just psychological health can permeate into your physical health.

714
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: Very true too, Yeah, that can definitely affect your physical health.

715
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: It's just that just had huge repercussions for her. And

716
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: I know she made her choices, but she was really

717
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: too young to be making this choice. And that's what's

718
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: frustrating is that it's like, sure, you can say that

719
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: all day about somebody. They they lived there, they did

720
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: their ship. Now they got to they what is them?

721
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: They made their bed, now they're gonna lie in it

722
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, she had adults in her life

723
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: who should have known better, and it should have been like, no, girl,

724
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Right? She says as much, you

725
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: know she's she says, I made choices, and I you know,

726
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: I take responsibility for my actions. But also I didn't

727
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: know what the hell I was doing, and other people

728
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: did know what I was doing and knew what they

729
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: were doing and let it happen. Yeah, nobody like couraged it.

730
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Nobody likes that if you got entrapped into a crime,

731
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: you would feel taken advantage of, right, And that's exactly

732
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: what happened here. Yeah, And also it's said, I mean,

733
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: like we joke, and I I like where she's coming

734
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: from in terms of, like get your priorities straight and

735
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: don't try and base everything around you know, being a

736
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: sexual object and this kind of thing. But also, this

737
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: is someone who can't have a happy relationship with a man.

738
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: She has you know, discovered within herself that she can't

739
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: do that now. And not only that, but she's again

740
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying that she's wrong in doing

741
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: what she's doing, but she is telling people like you

742
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: need to be very cautious, and I think hearing that

743
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: might preemptively color people's opinions of relationships, you know, And

744
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: to some degree that's necessary because you want people to

745
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: be cautious and not make stupid decisions like this. Um.

746
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: But also, you know, I just feel bad for her

747
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: that she's like, that's not going to happen for me.

748
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: That's that was all bad. There's no man for me

749
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: but God now, and I am totally fine with the

750
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: rest of my life. She said she considered marrying just

751
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: so her son would have a father, but she was like,

752
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, you know, I just could not

753
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: find happiness in that. Her sister also, I'll throw out there,

754
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: her sister dated a footballer and they also had a

755
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: big publicized media relationship. She also had a miserable time

756
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: with that that ended badly. Um So the two of

757
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: them were just girl, Your daughters deserved better, that's all

758
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: I'll say. I don't know what's wrong with Patsy. Maybe

759
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: she had a whole bunch of weird ship going on

760
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: in her herself. But meanwhile, Bill never faced any legal

761
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: repercussions for his part in her life, and the damage

762
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: he caused. What's What's that's so unusual? He left the

763
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones in ninety three, the same year that he

764
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: got married again, this time to an actress named Suzanne Acosta.

765
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: She was twenty three and he was fifty six, so

766
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: a thirty three year age gap. Hey, that's actually one year,

767
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: so are in age to him. The Mandy was so Hey,

768
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: maybe Bill learned a little bit of a lesson practically

769
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: a senior senator. Bill. Okay, but y'all, that is not

770
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: the weirdest part of this story had to save the

771
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: best for last year, because get this. Follow along here,

772
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about Patsy, Mandy's crazy mother who encouraged this

773
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: whole thing and said Bill chose you. Well, you remember

774
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Bill's son Stephen from his first marriage with Diane Corey. Well. Also,

775
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: in just two years after Bill and Mandy's divorce, Patsy

776
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: and Steven got married. Bill's own ex mother in law

777
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: married his son from his previous marriage. Okay, so try

778
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: to follow the logic here. Mandy's former stepson is now

779
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: her stepfather. Bill's former mother in law is now his

780
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: daughter in law, which means, if you stretch the definitions,

781
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: just a tiny bit. Bill is his own son's son

782
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: in law, which means Bill is his own grandfather. You've

783
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: got like a whole conspiracy for it, like a family

784
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: tree and with all then, because it's not just that

785
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: his ex wife is now his granddaughter in law. His

786
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: son is his stepdad. Right, it's outrageous. Dogs and cats

787
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: living together, mass hysteria. His house is a car, his

788
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: food is his shoe, his face isn't horn. It's nothing

789
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: makes sense anymore. The universe is collapsing on itself. These

790
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: people are insane. Oh my god, it's I mean, how'd

791
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: you meet? Seriously? And Patsy was like, really fun story,

792
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: So sit down, love, I want to tell you all

793
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: about it. Five minutes later, everyone's jaws are just on

794
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: the floor and it's what, Oh my god. Now I

795
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: don't know if Mandy and her mom have any kind

796
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: of relationship. She didn't really get into that in the

797
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: brief interview I found with her from she did say

798
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: that if her father had been around, and he was

799
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: just kind of a deadbeat, couldn't support the family in

800
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: and out all the time, so she didn't spend a

801
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: lot of time with them growing up, but they did

802
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: reconnect later, and she said that if he'd been around

803
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: when she was younger, Bill probably never would have even

804
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: approached her. He certainly wouldn't have successfully dated her, you know.

805
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: He thought, Yeah, yeah, he's like, there's no dad around,

806
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: so I'll get him with the mom. I'll talk about

807
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: how she'll be safe and still here with me, I

808
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: can take care of all. Her future is set well.

809
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go into speculation station here about Patsy

810
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: A little bit. Makes some make some judgments without really

811
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: knowing wild accusations throw them. That's what I'm here for.

812
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: She's got two young girls that she, at a young age,

813
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: is encouraging to get into modeling and rock and roll

814
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: and fame in whatever sense. And then this guy comes

815
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: along as rock star who wants to date her daughter,

816
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, do it. And then when that

817
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, she goes and marries his son. Like

818
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: she's just looking for money and fame here. Yeah, I

819
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: think you're right, that's her whole thing. She was going

820
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: to use her daughters to get it whatever it took.

821
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Uh did not care about the consequences for them, clearly,

822
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: and then when her daughter was discarded, she just went

823
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: and was like, I'll do it myself. She probably would

824
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: have been like, um, Mrs nesbit Nesbits mom, who is

825
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: basically just like, well, sure, I guess you can pose

826
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: for all these dudes and go out with these old

827
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: for men and they're going to take care of you.

828
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: But like Patsy might be worse like straight up pimping

829
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: out her daughter to an old old man. Yes, and

830
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean old old man. Is in like fifty

831
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: two makes you an old old man. But compared to

832
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old for thirteen year old, I'm an

833
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: old old man and I'm thirty seven. Come on, thirteen

834
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: year old came on to you, you would be disgusted.

835
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I have a thirteen year old came on to me.

836
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: I would go scrub my eyeballs. That was soap, run

837
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: away and hide and take one of jeff Bezos rockets

838
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: to the moon and never come back. I know. I'm like,

839
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: what I was not talking to you. I'm sorry, Never

840
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: nothing ever happened here. I have to go tie my

841
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: shoes goodbye, and I would run through. I would have run.

842
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: There'd be an eli shaped hole in the wall. Been

843
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: waiting for Is that that Roger Abbott. All I want

844
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: in my life is to is to run through a

845
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: wall so fast there's just a whole shaped like me

846
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: and everything everything full outline the dream dream in. Bill

847
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: produced a film about his own life, so, of course

848
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: very unbiol not a very honest book. He does address

849
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: the controversy surrounding his marriage to Mandy. He even acknowledges

850
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: that he made a huge mistake and that things should

851
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: have been different. Now you might be thinking, surely, he said.

852
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: The mistake was ever approaching a thirteen year old girl

853
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: and persuading her into a sexual relationship with him. And

854
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: of course you would think that you're not a crazy person.

855
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: But no, you're wrong. I'm afraid. Bill says that his

856
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: mistake was quote, I was really stupid to think marrying

857
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: her could possibly work. She was too young. She had

858
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: to go out and see life for a bit, Bill,

859
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah, the problem was that, Yeah, we

860
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been married. She was really too young to

861
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: be married. She should have gone out. She needed to

862
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: get out in the world more. It was really because

863
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: of her that it was a problem. I was perfect

864
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: and fine, but she had all those annoying health problems,

865
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: and I just felt that I deserved a healthy, young

866
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: wife of my very own. You see your honor. I

867
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to and then I didn't. Well, hardly failed

868
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: you for that, young man. What we're strained truly just

869
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: an inspiration. We could all learn a thing or two

870
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: from Bill here what not to do? So yeah, anyway,

871
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: he's happily married now with three daughters. Yea, now perfectly

872
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: for everyone. The world is a wonderful place. Let's set

873
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: everything on fire. Ah, this is a very frustrating story. Um,

874
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad we can kind of laugh at it. And

875
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm also not glad that it's there to laugh at

876
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: because it's not funny. Um, it's a nightmare. Um, it's

877
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: only funny, and it's absurdity and how dense Bill is if.

878
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: I definitely found his autobiography, which again came out in

879
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: like and um just skimmed some of the parts with Mandy.

880
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I got it for free. I'm not.

881
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm not not giving him anymore in my time. I'm

882
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: certainly not paying for it. And uh, just scanning it,

883
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is so oblivious. He constantly is saying,

884
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't understand what everyone else's problem was they were

885
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: being so mean to us. And then even now still

886
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: this document this this self made documentary came out in

887
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and he also ps in that documentary never

888
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: mentions the actual number of her age, just says that

889
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: she was too young for him, as if like she

890
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: was thirty five and he was fifty or something, and

891
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: it's outrageous. He's just totally skates past it, barely mentions it,

892
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: and when people asking about it today, he just gets

893
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of somber and it's like, whoa it was. It

894
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: didn't work out. I had two sad marriages and then

895
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: I got married and I'm happy now. That's pretty much

896
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: how he puts it. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, astonishing to me

897
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: that the me Too movement skipped over rock and roll completely.

898
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: We talked about this while it was happening, because like,

899
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: actors were getting hit hard and I was like, there's

900
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: no way as they should yeah, absolutely, and producers. Yes,

901
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: he was like, where's the rock and roll ship? There's

902
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of this ship going And I'm like, maybe

903
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: it's because these moms were like so into it that

904
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: it's like really hard to fault the men. I mean,

905
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: even though I do fault the men, but it's also

906
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: like the moms were like fully, I mean like that

907
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember her name right now, but that one

908
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: groupie who was like in every she was like the

909
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: rock and roll groupie and they all write songs about

910
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: her and oh yeah inspiration for that almost famous character

911
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. Anyway, I feel like her mom was like

912
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: real into that, Like her mom was like, yeah, go

913
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: on out and get get you a rock star, Like

914
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: let's do this right. So maybe that's why, you know,

915
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: it just didn't become a focus or something. But it's

916
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: insane because there's something like Jerry Lee Lewis married a

917
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. I have a slight young women

918
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: like David Bowie, I love him, but like it's still true. Yeah,

919
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: it's insane that a lot of these guys did just

920
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: get away with and not it's not just statutory issues.

921
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's no way that with all the sex,

922
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: drugs and rock and roll that there weren't people having

923
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: sex against their will or on drugs and didn't know

924
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: what they were doing and stuff. And just I kind

925
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: of always waited for that to come out more in

926
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: the rock and roll industry, not like fingers crossed. Hope

927
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: it happens, but you know what I mean, just kind

928
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: of expecting it after it blew up in Hollywood so much. Um, well,

929
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: that's such a weird little segment of the world. I

930
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: wish I could explain this better. But I was thinking

931
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: about this when I found out that in the Guns

932
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: and in Guns and Roses, Axel Rose like fucked one

933
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: of his other bandmates girlfriends recorded her orgasm and then

934
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: put it in track, and so she's on this track.

935
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: She didn't know she was being recorded, and she's on

936
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: a track that I adopts. Got any money for that.

937
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: But it's like, if you complained about it, people would

938
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: be like, oh, LOKs to be you. You're on a

939
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses song, Like what legendary? You know what

940
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean? Like it would just be one of those

941
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: things to be like, well, that happens, and I just

942
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: need to find the good side of it and be

943
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: happy about it or something. Even Mandy being like, I

944
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: know I made my choices. It feels like a coping

945
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: mechanism to be able to say I had that was

946
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: my choice, Like that makes me feel better that I

947
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: can say I had any control over that. You know

948
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I'm saying this as a person

949
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: who I I was a thirteen year old girl. I

950
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: knew the thirteen year old girls who definitely threw themselves

951
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: at older men and they tried very hard to get

952
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: them to sleep with them, like our heavy petting or whatever.

953
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: They just wanted to feel like it made him feel

954
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: good that some older guy would be interested in them.

955
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, looking back on it, of course, when

956
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, did not think of this, But as

957
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: a grown up, I'm like, now I'm worried about that

958
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl that I knew because I'm like,

959
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: as aggressive as she was, it's a little bit odd

960
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: that she was so wanting that approval so badly. Um,

961
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, it's just I know girls, the

962
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: girls that are like that, and they do do that,

963
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: and I understand that that can be tough if they're

964
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: very attractive and they look older than whatever. It's still

965
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: your job as the adult to know when you're a child,

966
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: you don't know what this is gonna do to you.

967
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: I need to move your hand away from the fire

968
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: like that's it. Yeah, that'spyrus possibility as a grown person

969
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: in this world. And you don't lose anything by saying no,

970
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: you lose what not sleeping with a child? Boo hoo, Sorry,

971
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: move on, get out my violin. Yeah, I can't. Time

972
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: has placed it because so little. Well, it's a truly

973
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: outrageous story about a truly outrageous man. Outrageous man. Yeah,

974
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. He outraged me

975
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: because of this. I don't know about you, oh man,

976
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: and oh what you know? And I hate these I

977
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: hate this thing where I'm not an immediate I'm not

978
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: someone who immediately can't listen to someone's music anymore when

979
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: I find out they suck. But it does, it puts

980
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: a sourness to it, you know. I can never not

981
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: think about it when I hear Michael Jackson now, like

982
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: I can never not think about it. And now I'm

983
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: not gonna have a hard time every time I listen

984
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: to the Rolling Stones, like, oh god, damn, it was

985
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: Bill there. Yeah, he was probably there playing the base

986
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: right now? What an asshole? I mean the first part

987
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: of this episode, I was like, well, I'm gonna check

988
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: out Monkey Grip, but not anymore. I don't want to

989
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: hear your damn unpretentious solo album, bit stop, I'm so

990
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: mad at you. If you're an artist I love and

991
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: then you do something shitty, I'm mad at you for

992
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: doing the shitty thing. And I'm also really mad at

993
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: you for ruining this for me. Like I liked your thing.

994
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: You were cool man, you were a really funny guy,

995
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: and I liked to quote your jokes, and now I'm

996
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: mad at you for taking that away from me and

997
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: for locking women into a room. Obviously that's the thing

998
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm that's the main thing you're mad at mad about first,

999
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: and then I'm mad about You're like, let's make that

1000
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: sexualist sold about me. Secondarily, I'm mad about the thing

1001
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: that affects me, that's the impacted head on my life.

1002
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: It still matters, Valent, totally valid. Yeah, well, I hope

1003
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: this didn't make it too mad. I hope it made

1004
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: you mad in the right way. Yes, definitely, don't write

1005
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,760
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1006
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,160
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1007
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: to I don't want to hear that. Look, there's there's

1008
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: obviously there's nuance in these laws, and they need to

1009
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: be examined in a lot of places. Probably, but um

1010
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think the answer is free for all

1011
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:37,120
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1012
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,520
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