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Speaker 1: Third hour, Clay and Buck gets going right now, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here with us. Bottom of the hour will

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Speaker 1: have Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, joining us.

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Speaker 2: He's got a movie out he wants to talk.

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Speaker 1: To us about Cruiser Ali says is excellent, so we

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Speaker 1: the breaking news today of a deal in principle agreed

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Speaker 1: of the fifteen month long war which began with the

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Speaker 1: horrific mass terror attack, mass casualty terror attack by Hamas

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Speaker 1: against Israel October seventh. And there's the exchange of hostages

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Speaker 1: that is likely to happen here. We don't know exactly

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Speaker 2: Timeline is for that.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people that are pointing out that this

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Speaker 1: Into a situation where Trump feels like they are not

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Speaker 1: unleash holy hell on you. Essentially one other noteplay. Inflation

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Speaker 1: has ticked up to two point nine percent, they're saying,

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Speaker 1: and this is Wall Street Journal, underlying price gains are muted.

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Speaker 1: You know, inflation is still not where it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And given the inflationary run up we had under Biden's

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're right.

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Speaker 3: As the overall lending rate has come down, the Fed

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Speaker 3: What the market is telling us is inflation's not beaten,

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Speaker 3: and we haven't beaten it yet.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we're still still dealing with that, still handling

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Speaker 2: But you know, maybe maybe I'm feeling a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of the nostalgia here, Clay, But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden tonight. A five decade long career in politics.

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Speaker 1: his legacy. Now, I'm not going to be overly charitable

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Speaker 1: And somebody who will do absolutely anything for political power,

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Speaker 1: CNN just released their final pull of Joe Biden's presidency,

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Speaker 3: your point on inflation, I think I think it's twenty

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Speaker 3: analogy you've heard on this buck. It's like putting on weight.

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Speaker 3: So you don't get fit by putting on forty pounds

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's interesting that you don't even

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Speaker 1: They pushed Biden aside, they put Kamala forward. Kamala got destroyed.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Made the argument it's hard to analyze history because you

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Speaker 3: But that could be an argument historically that the George W.

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Speaker 3: I just said he's got a sixty one percent of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's a it's a really, really

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Speaker 1: My name Clay, and welcome back into Clay and Buck

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Speaker 1: speaking New Gingrich of Well, i'm speaking New Gingrich fame.

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Speaker 2: He is with us now.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new documentary, Journey to America with Newt

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, what's your sense of where we stand

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Speaker 4: Well, I think this is an enormous shift. Trump is

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, I'm pretty biased because I'm a conservative,

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Speaker 3: It's a great answer. The only thing you could think

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that it depends a large part on

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Speaker 4: or rape or robbery from people who shouldn't even be here.

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Speaker 1: We've got the documentary that you've worked on up at

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Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com. Where else can people watch, mister speaker.

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Speaker 4: Hey, they can go to PBS dot org or PBS

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Speaker 4: app and they can see it. It's been streaming. It

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Speaker 3: Last question for you, mister Speaker, We appreciate the time

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Speaker 4: Well, she was the ambassador the Vatican in the first

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Speaker 4: trailing spouse, which is a good term because it reminds

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Speaker 4: you that's the ambassador who is the personal representative president

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Speaker 4: you're not. And I'm looking forward to being with her

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Speaker 4: on Switzerland is a great country. She has to be

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Speaker 1: Mister Speaker appreciates you being with us. Good luck on

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Speaker 1: the documentary and we'll get more and more people go

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Speaker 1: check it out.

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Speaker 4: Great. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, in clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 3: of you hanging out with us. Big news as we

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Speaker 3: started the show today, a ceasefire between the Israeli government

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Speaker 3: and Hamas and or those running things in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: I was just in Israel last month.

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Speaker 3: I got to spend a lot of time with one

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Speaker 3: of the friends of the show, Yell Eckstein, who runs

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Speaker 3: the IFCJ, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. We've

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Speaker 3: been trying to contextualize what exactly is in this deal.

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Speaker 3: I know it's still in the early moments of this

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Speaker 3: being a public deal, but Yell, as a citizen of Israel,

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Speaker 3: what should our audience know about this deal from your

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Speaker 3: perspective and that of other Israelis.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much, Clayon Buck, and firstly, thank

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Speaker 6: you for all your prayers that brought us to this day.

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Speaker 6: Every israelis right now holding their breath until we see

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Speaker 6: those hostages walk over the border, reander Israel and hug

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Speaker 6: their families. It's a very difficult deal because we are

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Speaker 6: releasing hundreds of terrorists for one innocent civilian who is

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Speaker 6: kidnapped from their bed, allowing them to go home. And

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Speaker 6: we know that those terrorists who are in Israeli jails

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Speaker 6: when they're released go on to again commit terror X

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Speaker 6: and kill more Israelis even yeah, yes, and Noir, the

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Speaker 6: one who the terrorist mastermind of October seventh, he was

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Speaker 6: in Israeli jail. He was released in a deal and

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Speaker 6: he went on to October seventh. So it's very very

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Speaker 6: difficult for the Israeli people to have to pay this

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Speaker 6: very difficult price. But every life is sacred, and every

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Speaker 6: day that these hostages are in Gaza being abused and raped,

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Speaker 6: many of them murdered already, is another day in hell

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Speaker 6: that we need to save them from. And so what

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Speaker 6: we know about this deal so far as in the

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Speaker 6: first stage there'll be thirty three hostages released all at

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Speaker 6: once over a period of a few weeks, and Israeli

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Speaker 6: troops simultaneously will be pulling out of parts of the

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Speaker 6: Gaza strip. Now, we don't know if these thirty three

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Speaker 6: hostages that will be released in the first stage are

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Speaker 6: live or not. None of them have been confirmed dead,

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Speaker 6: but they haven't been confirmed alive either. So we're waiting

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Speaker 6: with baited breath to see who's going to come home

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Speaker 6: when and what's their physical emotional, spiritual health, Jaile.

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Speaker 1: Can you speak to also whether this is likely to

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Speaker 1: be a temporary cease fire? What will this mean for

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Speaker 1: Israeli military operations in Gaza and against Hamas Moore broadly.

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. That's the question everyone is and

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Speaker 6: asking themselves, and we're getting lots of different answers. We

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Speaker 6: saw President Biden say this is the end of war.

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Speaker 6: This marks the end of the war. We saw President

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Speaker 6: Trump say we will not allow Jamas to rearm. We

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Speaker 6: will not allow Jamas to be a terror organization that

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Speaker 6: regroups on Israel's border. And we saw Benjamin A'taanee who

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Speaker 6: say this does not stop our ability to combat terror

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Speaker 6: in the Gaza Strip against from US. So it's not clear.

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Speaker 6: None of those details are exactly clear. And I think

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Speaker 6: what we do know is Israeli's as you were there

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Speaker 6: and means for peace and are willing to take very

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Speaker 6: hard steps in order to get to peace. But you

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Speaker 6: can't make peace with the terror organization. So the question

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Speaker 6: is will Hamas rearm or will they disarm? What will

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Speaker 6: be a new leadership for the Palestinian people in Gaza

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Speaker 6: that will bring a new reality of hope and prosperity

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Speaker 6: and education to the Palestinian people instead of what Hamas

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Speaker 6: has been doing, of a reign of terror.

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Speaker 3: Well, you, obviously, as in Israeli have been following this

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Speaker 3: very very closely. I was over there last month, and

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Speaker 3: the election of Donald Trump seems to have been a

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Speaker 3: galvanizing factor in exerting the pursuit of peace in some way.

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Speaker 3: Is that an accurate take from your perspective? What has

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Speaker 3: the election of Trump meant from an Israeli perspective to

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Speaker 3: the pursuit of peace in your country?

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I think that really we have

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Speaker 6: to give credit to all the parties right now who

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Speaker 6: of course President Joe Biden and Premiter Benjamin and Tanya

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Speaker 6: who it seems like everyone was really working in coordination

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Speaker 6: to bring this deal to fruition. What's unique about President

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Speaker 6: Trump is that he came in very clearly differentiating between

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Speaker 6: America's ally of Israel that's a democracy and cherishes freedom

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Speaker 6: and values life versus Hamas that is a terror organization.

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Speaker 6: He distinguished very clearly between hostages who are taken from

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Speaker 6: Just that moral clarity gives room for the possibility of

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Speaker 6: a deal that we saw come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the hopes we're speaking to they

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Speaker 1: Isle Extein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

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Speaker 1: We're honored to partner with them as a sponsor here

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Speaker 1: on the show Yale. What are some of the possible

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Speaker 1: hopeful things in the future with this new Trump administration?

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump obviously a great ally of the Israeli people.

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Speaker 1: The Abraham Accords at the end of Trump's first term

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Speaker 1: was a bright spot of diplomacy for the US, for

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Speaker 1: the region, for the Middle East, for Israel. Are there

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Speaker 1: things that are on the horizon that are giving the

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Speaker 1: into his second term.

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Speaker 6: Wow, I think you said it. Those are two words

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Speaker 6: that give so much hope to the Israeli people and

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Speaker 6: should be a source of hope and pride for the

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Speaker 6: American people as well. The Abraham Accords. Those are accords

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Speaker 6: that in Donald Trump's previous term that he forged between

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Speaker 6: Israel and moderate Muslim countries. And they have sustained the

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Speaker 6: most difficult year and a half. And we see these

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Speaker 6: relations between Tehran and the UAE even Morocco that they

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Speaker 6: are not only not only have they been able to

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Speaker 6: sustain this very difficult time, but in many ways they

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Speaker 6: people have gotten stronger. The idea behind Abraham Accords is

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Speaker 6: that Iran is a terror state. Their government is not

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Speaker 6: the people that are funding terror across the Middle East,

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Speaker 6: and that's not good for the moderate Muslim countries, just

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Speaker 6: like it's not good for Israel or America. And so

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Speaker 6: these partnerships, the Abraham Cords, that are strategic and good

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Speaker 6: for both sides, have so much possibility to expand. And

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Speaker 6: what we're all looking at is will it expand to

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Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia? And I think it's a real possibility.

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Speaker 3: That would be incredibly important. Also important is people being

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Speaker 3: able to come to Israel, because so many people in

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Speaker 3: the country rely on people coming from other parts of

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Speaker 3: the world, particularly United States. When we flew in Yell,

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Speaker 3: it's just right now, l ol. A ceasefire? How quickly

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Speaker 3: if the ceasefire is able to be sustained, do you

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Speaker 3: think people would be able to travel on traditional American Airlines,

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Speaker 3: American Airlines, Delta, all of these other places that have

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. I would hope it would be

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Speaker 6: very soon. And it's so important to have that Christian

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Speaker 6: voice boots on the ground, the American voice boots on

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Speaker 6: the ground in Israel, both for the experience of walking

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Speaker 6: those holy footsteps of your spiritual land Jerusalem of all

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Speaker 6: three all three fate great faiths of Judaism, Christianity and

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Speaker 6: also Islam of course, and to visit those Christian holy

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Speaker 6: sites like Bethlehem and the Mount of Olives and the

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Speaker 6: Garden of It's so important for the Christian experience be

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Speaker 6: able to walk those but Sepson, like you said, in

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Speaker 6: a way more experienced. For important for the Israelis to

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Speaker 6: be able to see we have friends, We're not alone.

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Speaker 6: That Christians come to Israel, and that Americans come to

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Speaker 6: Israel to see the site and to stand with Israeli

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Speaker 6: people is something that you can't put any price tag on.

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Speaker 6: It inspires us more than anything in the world. So

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Speaker 6: I hope that they will be able to come and

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Speaker 6: visit soon. With the airlines LAO and others, and in

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Speaker 6: the Meanwhile, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is

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Speaker 6: on the ground through soup kitchens and food boxes, feeding

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Speaker 6: the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the floor, letting Israelis

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Speaker 6: know that very very important message They're not alone. The

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Speaker 6: American people stand with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeahill, Thank you so much for calling in today and

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Speaker 1: also just for the partnership with the International Fellowship of

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Speaker 1: Christians and Jews. Honored to be working with you for

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Speaker 1: this noble cause.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Clay, and thank you guys are amazing.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for everything. God bless you.