1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Caf I AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 3: Doug mcattyre pinch hitting for John and Ken, who have 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: got some well deserved off time here. We're up on 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: the fourth of July weekend, coming up the big birthday 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 3: for America. We're here until Conway comes along. Timill join 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: us later on this how will give you a chance 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: to win some dough And we've got lots of stuff 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: to talk about, including one of the stupidest schemes I've 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: ever seen for a criminal. We'll get into that. You're 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: not going to do well in jail when you're convicted 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: of this. And we're also going to talk about the 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: reparations report that was issued. As you know, there's a 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: move in Sacramento to issue reparations for slavery and the 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: effects thereof. So Corbyn Carson's going to join us on that. 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: But the headline story, enormously significant story, is the Supreme 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: Court today overturning, on a six to three decision essentially 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: forty years of so called set of law on affirmative action, 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: so a negative on affirmative action, ruling that it is 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: unconstitutional to consider race in university admissions, eliminating the principal 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: tool of the nation's most selective schools that have used 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: to diversify their campuses. So to talk to us about this, 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: to get into the weeds on the law, because what 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: do I know about the law? 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing I know. I've been a defendant, 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: but I don't know anything about the law. So we 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 4: went out and got somebody who really does. 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: He is, of course, the professor of law at the 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: UCLA School of Law. It's a pleasure to welcome to 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: the show. Eugene Vollach. Eugene, how are you. 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 5: I am well, how are you? 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm good? 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: Thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. So does. 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: The basis is the fourteenth Amendment equal protection. And if 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: I am getting this straight, what the court ruled, the 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: Conservative Court ruled on this was that essentially, in order 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: to eliminate racism, you are practicing racism. You are practicing 39 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: discrimination against qualified students who won't get a seat in 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: in a college or university because of nothing that they did. 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: It's because a preference has been given to somebody else 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 3: based on the color of their skin. 43 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? That's pretty much though. The Court said that universities. 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 5: Public universities are not allowed, generally speaking, to favor people 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 5: based on race, just like we wouldn't expect them to 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 5: favor I don't know, Christians over Muslims or something like that. 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 5: At public universities and private universities, so long as they 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 5: get federal funds, are subject to this federal statute, Title 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 5: six of the Civil Rights Act, And that applies the 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 5: same standards to private universities pretty much anyone out there, 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 5: because almost all take federal funds. 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: Now does this ruling? Does this ruling effect, for instance, 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: historically black colleges like something like Grambling or Howard University, 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: would they now be open to accepting students across all 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: racial I mean, I know, first of all, Howard University 57 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: and Grambling except white students. They except Asian students and 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: Hispanic students. But would this possibly, if you will, change 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: the composition of those schools as well. 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 5: So the Court didn't have to confront this issue directly 61 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: just because the particularly universities there were University of North 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: Carolina and Harvard. My sense is that indeed, historically black 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 5: colleges remain mostly black because a lot of black students 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 5: are drawn to them, and a lot of other students 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 5: are not drawn to them. So I don't think that 66 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 5: they that they have preferences for black applicants. In fact, 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 5: I wonder they might have sometimes preferences for other applicants 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: precisely because they want to be somewhat less overwhelmingly owly 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 5: black guys, So that might be affected in some measure. 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 5: I don't think that that's going to be a major issue, 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: just because, again, as you point out, and as I 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: understand it, generally speaking, they don't discriminate in favor of 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 5: black applicants. It's just that black applicants are more likely 74 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 5: to seek them out. 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: And one of the arguments for opponents of the Affirmative 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: Action program at this point in twenty twenty three has 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: been that America has moved on from the days when, 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: for instance, you can go back to the twenties when 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: Jews could not really get into the Ivy League schools 80 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: was very difficult, and obviously we know that it was 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: extraordinarily difficult for African Americans and other minorities and women 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 3: to get into prestigious schools for many, many years in 83 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: American history. Well that's obviously changed because of affirmative action 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: has been very successful in increasing the diversity of student 85 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: populations and faculty and board of directors and board of regions, etc. 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: Etc. 87 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: So opponents of affirmative action continue would say mission accomplished. 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: That you're there. 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine going forward that universities all of 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: a sudden are going to become enclaves of racial discrimination, 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: given just the composition of who runs. 92 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: Them, right, So I think the argument is that whatever 93 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 5: may have been the case when the universities had just 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 5: been discriminated against them, where you needed to kind of 95 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 5: give a benefit to people to compensate for the fact 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 5: that they themselves had just been discriminated against before today, 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 5: that kind of personal experience while you were denied access 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 5: to unc last year or five years before, now we 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 5: need to compensate for that is just not relevant now. 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 5: Of course, supporters of race based affirmative actions say, well, 101 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 5: the one reason that there are fewer blacks and Hispanics 102 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 5: in various schools is that there's been societal discrimination in 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 5: past generations and even in the present, but by other institutions. 104 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 5: And that's the important thing that the majority, the important 105 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 5: controversial thing the majority says is you can't discriminate based 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 5: on race to compensate for societal discrimination, for societal discrimination 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 5: in the past and maybe even for some societal discrimination 108 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 5: in the present. That that's just not a basis for 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 5: harming a say a white or Asian applicant today in 110 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 5: order to benefit a black or Hispanic applicant. That in 111 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: the past there have been lots of discrimination against blacks 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: and Hispanics, that that doesn't justify the individual discrimination that 113 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 5: these universities are currently practiced. 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: We're talking with UCLA law professor Eugene Voloch, and this 115 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: suit originated with an activist, but it was it was 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: very much Edward bloom is his name, and he was 117 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: very much opposed to affirmative action, but it was it 118 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: was fronted by a group of Asian students who argued 119 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: successfully that they are being discriminated against as affirmative action 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: might equalize opportunity for people of color, for African Americans 121 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: in particular, it comes at the expense of opportunity for 122 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: Asian students. 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: So I think that's right, and there's actually some evidence 124 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 5: that Asian students are being treated not just worse than 125 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 5: black and Hispanic students, they're being treated worse than white students, 126 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: and that as a result as they're bearing the brunt 127 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 5: of it. But even if that's not so, they're still 128 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 5: bearing the brunt of it together with white students. Well, 129 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: here's one way of thinking about this argument. You often 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 5: hear about people saying, oh, we want institutions that look 131 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 5: like America. Well, if you really do want institutions that 132 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 5: look like America, then you do have to have for 133 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 5: universities aggressive discrimination against Asians, because indeed, Asians are generally 134 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: over represented at many top universities that set you see systems. 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 5: Historically they had been, and there are even now that 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 5: race preferences, perhaps especially now that race preferences have been 137 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 5: prohibited in UC for a couple of decades now. So 138 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: if you really believe, at least some versions of the 139 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 5: pro affirmative action we want a country that looks like America, 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: excuse me, we want universities that look like America argument, 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 5: then yes, Asians would be heavily discriminated against back in 142 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 5: the day, I think in the nineteen nineties. In fact, 143 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 5: that was an argument that I think Bill Clinton was 144 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: quoted as making that we need to have affirmative action, 145 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 5: because otherwise universities like Berkeley could be one hundred percent Asian. 146 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 5: My view is, well, that's fine if that's the way 147 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 5: the applications come out. But this has been in fact 148 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 5: part of the kind of racial balancing argument that we 149 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 5: had seen, at least from some supporters of race based approtment. 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty five years ago I heard people I was 151 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: teaching a class at UCLA and the extension program. People 152 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: were then joking that UCLA stood for you see lots 153 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: of Asians. So this is not a new phenomenon. But 154 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: let me ask you a non legal question here for 155 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: a second. Because you teach on the campus, it's a 156 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: magnificent campus, it's a magnificent school, it's desirable globally. What 157 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: has your experience been as a teacher, as a faculty 158 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: member at UCLA in terms of the way the student 159 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: body reflects modern America. 160 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 5: You know, I teach law, so I teach First Amendment law. 161 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: And it's true, I would like to have students who 162 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: have all sorts of different perspectives and who have kind 163 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 5: of create a lively class discussion and have a sense 164 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 5: of the world. I very much doubt in my experience 165 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 5: that the race matters that much. I think actually their 166 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 5: religion may matter more, But I don't approve of the 167 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 5: university giving a preference to say Catholics because we don't 168 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: have enough Catholics in First Amendment classes. I think their 169 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: ideology probably matters more. I think things we can't do 170 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 5: much about, like their age, they're all very homogeneous. They're 171 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 5: all very non diverse. A's to some things as to age, generally, 172 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: as to at least their socioeconomic future, even if not 173 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 5: their present or their parents' socioeconomic status. So the fact is, 174 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 5: I'm never going to have a class that's full of 175 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: people who really proportionally represent the whole country and the 176 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 5: whole range of human experience in the country. I'm just 177 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 5: interested in having smart students who are hardworking and who 178 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: do a good job. I think the best way of 179 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 5: doing that is by admitting them based on things like grades, 180 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 5: things like test scores and such imperfect measures as they are, 181 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 5: but you know, they're probably the best we have as 182 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 5: opposed to based on things like race or sex, or 183 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 5: religion or sexual orientation. It's not like those latter factors 184 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 5: don't count for anything in class discussion. Obviously in some 185 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 5: mentory you could see them being helpful. I just don't 186 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: view that as the really important. 187 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: Professor Eugenevollock, thank you so much for your time. You 188 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: appreciate your uh, your being with us and your insights. 189 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: All right, very much, my pleasure. 190 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: Thank you. 191 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: And when we come back, we've got so much more 192 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: to get into. 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Getting rid of affirmative 228 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: action has been a dream for conservatives for a very 229 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: long time, and keeping it has been sort of a 230 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: bedrock issue for people on the left and especially for 231 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: minority voter as many minority voters, not all. Obviously, President 232 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: Biden was quick to come out and condemn this and 233 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: everybody's lining up along the ideological divide as you would expect. 234 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: And in the middle of it, once again is the 235 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Supreme Court and this concept of settled law. We saw 236 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: it earlier when the Supreme Court overturned Roe versus Weighed 237 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: after fifty plus years, and that was obviously a profoundly 238 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: significant decision. States are still wrestling with the consequences of that, 239 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: with some states even trying to prosecute women who go 240 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 3: out of state to get abortion services, etc. And the 241 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: Democrats exploited it during the midterm election. Instead of getting 242 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: creamed in the midterm election like everybody expected, they actually 243 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: held the Senate and they did pretty good in the House. 244 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: So politically speaking, the affirmative action issue probably breaks to 245 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: the Democrats' favor in twenty twenty four. I mean, this 246 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: is the reality we like to think, and the Supreme 247 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: Court likes to pretend that it's above the gutter politics 248 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: that the rest of us wallow in twenty four to seven, 249 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: but If you really want to see a court that 250 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: is completely apolitical, go to night court. 251 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 4: Go sit in night court, watch a judge there. 252 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: You know, processing people have been hauled in for driving 253 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: drunk or something like that. There's no politics involved in that. 254 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: The politics at the Supreme Court has always been there, 255 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: it will always be there. And this cuts to this 256 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: concept of settled law. There is no such thing as 257 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: settled law. Even when we have been living for a 258 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: very long period of time, and it could be one 259 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: hundred years, it could be two hundred years, that concept 260 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: can blow up with a five to four decision when 261 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: a Supreme Court comes along that has changed, it shifted 262 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: its ideological bent. 263 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: All of a sudden, settled law is unsettled. 264 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: And we've seen that and huge cases in this particular 265 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: historic term of the United States Supreme Court. And we 266 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: all know everybody says elections have consequences, which is why 267 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: this Supreme Court term will be very consequential when it 268 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: gets to the twenty twenty four election. I guarantee you 269 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: that both left and right are fundraising right now based 270 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: on this decision. Now, what does it mean for America? Well, 271 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: anything that involves race is going to be a big gong. 272 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: It's going to really send out vibrations into society. As 273 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: we know, ever since the George Floyd murder, we're still 274 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: feeling that, from defund police to crime on the rise 275 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: as police departments have backed down and more fearful of 276 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: aggressive policing, et cetera, etc. There's all kind of unintended 277 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: consequences for things as well. Will this bring out more 278 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: minority voters in upcoming elections? 279 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: Possibly? 280 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: Does it mean that there's going to be a rollback 281 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: of diversity on US college campuses and university campuses. I 282 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: got to be honest with you. I'm not nostradamis My 283 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: crystal ball is notoriously No, it's not only foggy, it's cracked, 284 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: and it's in a pawnshop in Van eyes. But I 285 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: can't see modern American universities all of a sudden rolling 286 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: up to welcome welcome matt for diverse student body populations, 287 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: because first of all, the faculties are diverse. This is 288 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: not This isn't the you know, this isn't animal House. 289 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: It's not nineteen sixty two. 290 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: It's not the nineteen fifties where colleges were largely lily 291 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: white and Christian and male. Not only are the campuses different, 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: the faculties are different, and the board of regions are different, 293 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: and the board of the investors, the fundraisers, the big 294 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: benefactors of colleges and universities, corporate grants. If you want 295 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: to use the woke term, fine, Modern American colleges are 296 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: very woke, and it's hard to imagine a rollback to 297 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: the old when colleges were something other than that. But 298 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: it definitely represents the sea change because there was a 299 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: time and not that long ago, and there are plenty 300 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: of people walking amongst us, including parents and grandparents or 301 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: great grandparents at least, who grew up in America where 302 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 3: college was not for them and the only way they 303 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: got there was through affirmative action. And when you live 304 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: that life, then you understand why people are reluctant to 305 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: let it go. 306 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 307 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 308 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: We got a whole bunch of stuff to get into, 309 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: including this story. And what an irony that this story 310 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: shows up the same day that the Supreme Court overturned 311 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: the affirmative action program that's been sort of settled law. 312 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: Part of American culture for a very long time. But 313 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: California's Reparations Task Force has not on the condemned that. 314 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: But they've also issued the report and for or what's 315 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: in that report? We turned two the man who's got 316 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: the story for us, Corbin, Welcome aboard. 317 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 4: How are you. 318 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 7: I'm doing pretty good? Thanks for having me. 319 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 8: Yeah. 320 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 7: This is the nation's first reparations task force. It spent 321 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 7: two years. It submitted its final report for potential what 322 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 7: potential reparations could look like for Black Americans in California. 323 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 7: It lists one hundred and fifteen policy recommendations, but to 324 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 7: be clear, it does not recommend payment amounts or ways 325 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 7: for states to fund potential future payments. There was a 326 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 7: formula released a month and ago that estimated a person 327 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 7: could receive up to one point two million dollars. There 328 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 7: were some other suggestions of payment abount amounts. Non monetary 329 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 7: recommendations include formal apologies, criminal justice, housing, education, and healthcare reforms, 330 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 7: just to name a few. The task Force was enacted 331 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 7: by an Assembly bill called the California Task Force to 332 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 7: Study and develop Reparations proposals, and its stated ad mission 333 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 7: was to study and recommend ways to redress the historical 334 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 7: atrocities perpetrated against African Americans in California, and spent the 335 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 7: last two years documenting how quote enslavement and it's enduring 336 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 7: legacy of systemic racism, cemented structural inequality, and recommend many 337 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 7: methods for repairing the resulting harm. And let's start with 338 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 7: a task member, Senator Steve Bradford, who's from la and 339 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 7: he talks about exactly what this task Force was designed 340 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 7: to do. 341 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: The job of a. 342 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 9: Task force was not to implement anything. It was simply 343 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 9: to recommend and to advise. It is now up to 344 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 9: the legislature, which I'm part of, and the governor to 345 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 9: implement it. Over the last two years, this task Force 346 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 9: has documented in great detail the history of slavery not 347 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 9: only in this nation but in California, and the patterns 348 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 9: of systemic racism and injustice that continued long after slavery ended. 349 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 7: And like you said, there was a lot of anger 350 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 7: on the b of this affirmative action affirmative active decision 351 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 7: that was struck down today by the Supreme Court. There's 352 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 7: a couple hundred people in Sacramento at this hearing that 353 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 7: talked about it, but a lot going on today. 354 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 4: Well, corporate. 355 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: One of the ironies is is that affirmative action was reparations. 356 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: The basis for passing and instituting affirmative action programs was 357 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: to make up for the systemic and baked in discrimination 358 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: that took place after the freeing of the slaves and 359 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: the years of Jim Crow and all of the you know, 360 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: codified by law discrimination that took place. The affirmative action 361 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: was created to compensate into clear paths for equality, for 362 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: a path to equality, you know, the problem that I've 363 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: always had with and again the Task Force hasn't put. 364 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: A number on this. 365 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 3: I am in favor of direct reparations, and by direct 366 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: reparations when I means we had this story a few 367 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: months back of Bruce's Beach where a piece of property 368 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: right on the coast was really scanned a black family. 369 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: The Bruces were robbed of their proper land and their 370 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: direct descendants. There's a traceable lineage to that land and 371 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: the people who were awarded their land back. So when 372 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: you can make a direct appropriation to compensate a family 373 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: that was robbed of tangible assets, I am all in 374 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: favor of you know where this will become an enormous 375 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: problem at some point. 376 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: Is at some point Cuba. 377 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: Will break away from the yoke of communism, and there 378 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: are thousands and thousands of families in America who came 379 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 3: from Cuba. 380 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: I went to high school. 381 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: I have a friend of mine who fled Cuba as 382 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: a young child with his family, and they hope someday 383 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: to reclaim their property back in Cuba. When the Castro 384 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 3: regime and its aftermath finally is thrown onto the sheep 385 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: of history, well, that's going to be a real mess 386 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: to try to sort out who owned that and do 387 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: they still own it, and who's on that property. But 388 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: one of the challenges here is that any kind of 389 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: cash reparations payment in California would be paid out of 390 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: the general revenue fund unless there's some kind of, you know, 391 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: magic source of money. All money is the people's money, 392 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: So you would essentially being take you would take taxpayer 393 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: money from African American taxpayers to redistribute it to other 394 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: African Americans. It's it's a Rubik's cube of difficulty in 395 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: terms of how do you negotiate this right? 396 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 7: And you're talking about what I think I saw an 397 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 7: estimate of two and a half million black people in California, 398 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 7: and in some estimates are that that would be eight 399 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 7: hundred billion dollars, which is twice the state's annual budget. 400 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 7: But some of the things that also that you mentioned 401 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 7: that came up today, we heard from Governor Newsom who 402 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 7: was also addressing a question about the task force and 403 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 7: talked about affirmative action at the same time about what 404 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 7: the country is is what he calls a regression of 405 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 7: civil rights. 406 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 8: And take the responsibility to answer and to be accountable 407 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 8: to what's going on as relates to race relations in 408 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 8: the state and the nation. I am very mindful of 409 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 8: our past. We're experiencing this rights regression, on civil rights, 410 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 8: on voting rights, and LGBTQ rights, on women's rights, women's 411 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 8: access to contraception. 412 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: It's a very. 413 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 8: Serious moment in our nation's history. And you're seeing this 414 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 8: rights roll back in real time, this regression in real time, 415 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 8: and I hope folks wake up to it. And so 416 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 8: this Reparations task Force, the report, the context of that 417 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 8: decision today only reinforced the seriousness purpose to which we 418 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 8: will review it. 419 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 7: And then that of course has to go any packages. 420 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 7: There was Assembly amendment there was an assemblyman and a 421 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 7: senator on. 422 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: The task force. 423 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 7: So those will be taken to the legislature and then 424 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 7: have to make it to the governor's desk, and you 425 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 7: can kind of hear in what he's saying which way 426 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 7: he leans, but nothing is guaranteed at this point. And then, 427 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 7: as you mentioned, I covered the Bruces be each story 428 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 7: extensively when it was going on from the very beginning, 429 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 7: and there was a large argument about who was paying 430 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 7: for this and kind of the interesting part was that 431 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 7: it was La County land, even though the beach was 432 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 7: in Manhattan Beach, and the atrocities that were attributed to 433 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 7: that situation came from a Manhattan Manhattan Beach City council 434 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 7: back in nineteen twenty and so that was a huge 435 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 7: two year argument. And you know, just recently, as you said, 436 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 7: the money was given. I think it ended up being 437 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 7: about twenty million dollars, is what the county bought the 438 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 7: land back from the family for. And so, yes, this 439 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 7: will play out and be a larger argument moving forward. 440 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's a real problem if you're going to start 441 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: thumbing through the sins of the past and try to 442 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: put a modern day cash price on that you could 443 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: go to the internees of Japanese during the World War Two, 444 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: or the Zootsuit riots, or where you want to go back. 445 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: I'm just curious Corbyn, we Alreay talk about Corbyn Arson 446 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: kfi's Corbyn Carson. Did anybody talk about the fact that 447 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: California entered the Union in eighteen fifty as a free state? 448 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: So for fifteen years, California was a state while slavery 449 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: was legal in America, but it was never a slave state. Now, 450 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: there were people who brought slaves into the state illegally 451 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: and kept them in bondage, but it wasn't codified by law. 452 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: Has anybody talked about that aspect? 453 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 454 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 7: The task Force talked about studying the institution of slavery 455 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 7: in the US, including the keeping of enslaved persons and 456 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 7: enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Acts in California, and how 457 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 7: those actions and structures put in place during the enslavement 458 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 7: period and thereafter resulted in a system. 459 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: This is the task Force words, resulted. 460 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 7: In a system that relentlessly subjected African Americans. The report 461 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 7: claims to trace this through California's history into the present, 462 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 7: and both details the ongoing adverse impacts on living African 463 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 7: Americans and present numerous ideas for policy changes designed to 464 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 7: begin the process of repair. But I do want to mention, 465 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 7: if you're talking about sins of the past, the one 466 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 7: thing that was a very powerful moment for people in 467 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 7: the room this morning was when Task Force chair and 468 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 7: repertory Justice attorney she's from La Camilla Moore, she listed 469 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 7: what are are what some are calling or what she called, 470 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 7: racial disparities documented in the eleven hundred page report. 471 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 10: Never forget that we were enslave in this country longer 472 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 10: than we have been free, shadow slavery, sharecropping, convict leasing 473 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 10: to join the facto, segregation, redlining, educational funding discrepancies, predatory 474 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 10: financial practices, unfair labor practices, chronic unemployment, medical experimentation, intellectual 475 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 10: property depredation, environmental terror, family separation, police brutality, Anti African 476 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 10: American hate, crimes, vigilante violence, judicial terror, war on drugs, 477 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 10: mass incarceration, unfair sentencing, the school to prison pipeline, extreme poverty, homelessness, gentrification, wealthlessness. 478 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 4: We have been relegated. 479 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 10: To the bottom of the caste system in this country. 480 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 7: And again those things that she mentioned are documented in 481 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 7: this there's about nine phases in this report, which is 482 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 7: live and online and people can thumb through it themselves, 483 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 7: but it's a lot of documentation that points to some 484 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 7: of the things she was mentioning. 485 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: All Right, THAT'SFI is Corporate. Carson Corbin, thanks so much 486 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 3: for being well us appreciate itiated that. Okay, when we 487 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: come back, we're going to have a chat with Tim Conway, 488 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: as I understand that mister Conway's people have agreed that 489 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: he would come in and do some cross talk with 490 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: me before we yield the balance of our time to 491 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: mister Conway. And we're also going to tell you about 492 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: a scam. You just don't want to go to prison 493 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: for the crime I'm going to tell you about. 494 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 495 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 496 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 4: The One, the Only Big Dog. Tim mcnway Junior. 497 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much, Thank you man. 498 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 3: Now here's the thing about us doing cross talk. We 499 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: know so much about each other personally sure that we 500 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 3: have to play it safe because we could destroy each other. 501 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: That we have enough backstory, that's right, that we could 502 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: totally destroy not just our what passes for careers, but 503 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: our personal lives. 504 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Well, you and I, Doug McIntyre and 505 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: I used to live together in Burbank, right, not that 506 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: we're judging, No, I mean, and that was it was 507 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: right over here on Priscilla, wasn't it Priscilla? 508 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 6: Yea. 509 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 2: And now that's a huge McMansion. Now they tore that 510 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: piece of crap down that we had. 511 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 4: Actually they didn't tear it down. They expanded. They expanded 512 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: it that way. It's a remob that's exactly. They left 513 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 4: the door knob on it and everything else is new. 514 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: This is obviously the you know, Thursday before fourth of 515 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: July traffic is unbelievable out there. People are are splitting. 516 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: They're not going to work tomorrow and they're done. 517 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: Here's the thing about post code COVID traffic. It makes 518 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: no sense. There's there's days when you can get on 519 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: the one on one and you're just try sailing, and 520 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: then the next day glaciers are pissed that it's just 521 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: like nothing. It's you know, skeletons in the carpool. 522 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: I did see something in the news today that that 523 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: struck Maybe it's sort of odd, probably true, but human 524 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: beings are the are the only creatures on the planet 525 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: whose mouths are shrinking. 526 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: That's why we have crazy teeth. 527 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: Like every other animal, mammal, fish, reptile, whatever. Over the 528 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: last billion years, they've been eating the same crap for 529 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: a billion years. We've changed over the years, we've had 530 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: food is softer. Now we don't have to, you know, 531 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: attack a straws right, and it shrinks your mouth. And 532 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: that's why you get all those crazy teeth. 533 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: Well, Bill Handles throwing the curve off on that. Huh. 534 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you this because you like a 535 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: good scam, that's right. In fact, one of my forever 536 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: memories when we were housed together, when you came into 537 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 3: my house, you had actually moved out, and you come 538 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: into my house without knocking, and you asked the following question, Hey, buddy, 539 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: what's your handwriting look like? And I said, nothing legal 540 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: has ever followed that. 541 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: I needed. I needed somebody to sign something. 542 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: Your sister and you don't want to drive. 543 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: I didn't want to drive the Malibu, and I'm like, hey, 544 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: can you sign this? I said, what does your signature 545 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: look like? And Mac and was like, no way, that's 546 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: no way. 547 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: So as a fan of a scam, I saw this 548 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: in the La Times, uh not the La Daily News, 549 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: which I write for you at the l eight Times 550 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: had this about this guy. His name is Ray Brewer. 551 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: He's going to jail because he was running a manure scam. 552 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 3: And here's what he was doing. He tried to con 553 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: people into a vesting in a company that was going 554 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: to take cowpoop and turn it into green fissionable material 555 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 3: and methane, et cetera. Only it was all a scam. 556 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: And the reason I bring this up is he's not 557 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: going to do well in prison. I mean, if you think, 558 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: you know, you're in the in the yard, and you 559 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: remember what it was like in the yard, right exactly. 560 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: You're in the yard and what you do is scratchy. 561 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: I shot up a school bus, right, you know what 562 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: you do? I hit a bank? 563 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 6: What well? 564 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: I was running a poop scandal. 565 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: Of the fake business manure is you know when you 566 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: go buy it at home deep or lows, it's a 567 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: dollar for thirty pounds, how much is the guy going 568 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: to make? 569 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: That's right? 570 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: I remember years ago a guy hijacked a grease truck. 571 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: It was a truck that would go around to restaurants 572 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: and pump the French fry oil out of the deep 573 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: fryer and go restaurant to restaurant. And apparently there's an 574 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: aftermarket for this. I have no idea, you know where 575 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: it was actually Down's patio when Burbank used to buy 576 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: it from it, they burned down. 577 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: By the way. 578 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: But but but it's like there are some crimes. Everybody 579 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: understands why someone would rob a bank, but I can't 580 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: understand some crimes, like how does one conceive of the 581 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: idea of stealing grease? 582 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it starts young. There was a kid 583 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: in on tear cRIO, Canada. He worked outside of a 584 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: small town called Blenham, Ontario, and he used to buy 585 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: eggs from the local grocery store. And he'd come home 586 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: and with a little bit of bleach, he'd take the 587 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: stamp off them, you know, because they're all stamped, you know, 588 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: grade A or where they're from or whatever. And yeah, yeah, 589 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: and bleach, you know, take a little bleach, take the 590 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: little ink mark off of each egg and then go 591 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: down a block and in front of a farmhouse and 592 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: sell them as fresh eggs. And the guy, the kid 593 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: made millions, not millions, but thousands over the summer, you know. 594 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 4: But it's just the brain. The brain works in marvelous. 595 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly right. 596 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 4: I mean there was a guy who put he got caught. 597 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: This is many years ago. He would wait till a 598 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: bank closed. This is back before ATMs and when there 599 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: were bankers hours. He waited till dark and then he'd 600 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: put a signup says, pardon our dust, use this box 601 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 3: for night deposits. And then right all that just people 602 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: would throw money in the thing. 603 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: That's great. 604 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: You know, if he could put his mind only to 605 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 4: the purpose of good. 606 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you remember Seinfeld, you know they the 607 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: most interesting one of the funniest episodes is when what's 608 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: his name was unemployed? I know you're not a big 609 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: fan of s What who was it that was unemployed? 610 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: Not Kramer at the other guy? George? George. 611 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but George was unemployed and he worked his ass 612 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: off while being trying to get unemployment checks, harder than 613 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: he's ever worked in life. 614 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's frequently the case with criminals. That's right, hey, folks, 615 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: speaking of criminals, I'm going to be stealing your money. 616 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: Excuse me, I wan my book. At July eighteenth, at 617 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: the Grove at Barnes and Noble. Frank Shadow is the book? 618 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 4: You go to? Doug mcare dot comments. 619 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: Is that thing finally out? 620 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 4: July eighteen? 621 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: You got to come on and promote it? Oh, I 622 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: guess you just did. 623 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing now. Sorry, That's why I'm here 624 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: July eighteenth. We'll keep promoting it. July eighteenth. All right, 625 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: where at the Grove at the Grove, you know people listen, 626 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: half ass, let's get it. 627 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: Let's knock it out. 628 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: July eighteenth at the Grove at the Grove, seven to 629 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: nine pm. 630 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: Seven to nine pm. Oh, I can go. 631 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: What is that right after the show? You come on 632 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: over there? What day of the week is it? That's 633 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: a Tuesday? Tuesday? 634 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go do that. We'll promote the 635 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: hell out of it. 636 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 4: All right, you just did. 637 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 2: And then we have Mike Love coming on tonight, the 638 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: co founder of the Beach Boys, and then Dean Sharp 639 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: as well. Do you know that there's of all the 640 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: five I think there's five beach Boys, there's only one 641 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 2: that knows how to serf. 642 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: I don't have to surf either. 643 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, you're not a beach boy. 644 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 4: Eric. Thanks for having me. Yeah, Mark Ronner and Ray 645 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 4: kim Ko. 646 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. 647 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: Joe Kik, Joe Joe Jen some headlines Conway coming off. 648 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 6: Hey, you've been listening to The John and Ken Show. 649 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on kf I Am 650 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 651 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.