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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John middle Coop the Three

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Speaker 1: and Out Podcast, brought to you live by the Colin

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Speaker 1: Coward Podcast Network. Back up at it again Wednesday Football.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this on Wednesday, football is tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the college programs are reporting all over

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Speaker 1: the country up until the Super Bowl. Thank you Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Big show today coming up. I got some thoughts on

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Speaker 1: some of these viral videos and what you really need

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Speaker 1: to know when you're reading or watching things on television

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Speaker 1: about training camp. I was at forty practice yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: wrote an article on the forty nine ers up on

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Speaker 1: Sports writing in America also includes myself. Um it's up

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Speaker 1: in Live. I'll touch on Jimmy Garoppolo. Colin had a

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Speaker 1: rant the other day, just on the analytics and factoring

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Speaker 1: in the new NFL with defense saying, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: touch some thoughts on that. I thought he made a

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Speaker 1: pretty good point. I think there are elements of it

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Speaker 1: And then I'll get into Sam Donald finally reported that

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Speaker 1: there was a really good article on the Athletic that

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Speaker 1: kind of broke down his first practice, and I think

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Speaker 1: a couple of things really stood out to me that

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Speaker 1: you know, ultimately changed the Jets franchise. But but but I

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Speaker 1: gotta start with one thing here during this time of year,

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Speaker 1: and we'll also get to the Middlecoff mail bag a

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Speaker 1: little bit later. You can go into my Instagram. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna answer some Instagram questions as well as iTunes questions.

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Speaker 1: If you do not have iTunes, you can always slide

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Speaker 1: up into my d M s at John Middlecoff and

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of good ones. Actually I'll answer

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Speaker 1: this week, but let me start with something training camp.

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Speaker 1: And right now in training camp, there are a bunch

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Speaker 1: of viral videos of guys getting smoked in one on

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Speaker 1: And you know, the NFL network is going around all

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Speaker 1: these training camps. We're getting all these good videos and listen,

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Speaker 1: it is fun. I talk about football for a living.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy seeing it. I know you guys enjoy seeing it.

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Speaker 1: We all enjoy talking about it. When I worked in

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Speaker 1: the front office, we would all huddle around the one

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Speaker 1: on one drills, whether it be offensive defensive lineman, whether

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Speaker 1: for you. I was thinking about this this morning, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, how could anyone relate to this? And I've

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Speaker 1: first thing you do on a job, right the first

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Speaker 1: time you get hired. Typically now every job is a

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Speaker 1: little different. You learn whatever that company software is, and

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Speaker 1: it would be like, you know, if you don't know Chinese,

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Speaker 1: attempting to read Chinese, You're like, this is impossible. But

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Speaker 1: then a month later, six months later, a year later.

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Speaker 1: But if I filmed you that first day, or hell,

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Speaker 1: that first week, trying to just input something from your

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Speaker 1: It would literally be impossible. I remember just having so

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Speaker 1: Like Morgan Stanley, some of these some of these banks,

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Speaker 1: got friends here in the Bay Area that you Salesforce Oracle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's easy to use after you

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Speaker 1: realize how to use it. So when I see these

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Speaker 1: not discounting how fast Marque's Goodwin is, how good of

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Speaker 1: to talk about practice, and coaches love too. How did

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Speaker 1: make themselves look good and vice versa. Well, in these

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Speaker 1: thinking Jesus or God whoever. I'm not even religious, so

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Speaker 1: whatever you pray to that Sam Darnald fell to them

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Speaker 1: was gonna be there. They got lucky. Now, not ideal

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Speaker 1: that he held out, but the reality is with the

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Speaker 1: Jet situation is that Sam Donald was not going to

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Speaker 1: be the starter. They have Josh McCown and it looks

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Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater is kind of revitalizing, rehabbing you know,

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Speaker 1: that knee, and is gonna be a player in this

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Speaker 1: league again. Sam Donald, though, will eventually start. And it

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Speaker 1: was pretty funny line. When he walked up to practice,

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Speaker 1: they gave him like a standing ovation and Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: just said, you're late. And that's just how coaches are,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of they're they're not the happiest punch.

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Speaker 1: But listen to this. Johnny Manziel once famously said one

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Speaker 1: takeaway I had from this article just breaking down the

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Speaker 1: play by play balls. He's missing balls. He's not run drills.

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Speaker 1: It had it all. It was really good that Josh

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Speaker 1: McCown told him to get back in there a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, and Johnny Manziel once famously said, and I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with Johnny, but I do think he

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Speaker 1: was on point in the sense of how great of

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Speaker 1: a guy this. You know, Josh McCown is that if

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Speaker 1: Josh McCown would have been in Cleveland his rookie year

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Speaker 1: instead of a second year, that Johnny would have still

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't know if that's true or not.

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Speaker 1: Johnny might have had so many demons that he would

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Speaker 1: have need to kind of flame out to kind of

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Speaker 1: get it back. I think, actually think Johnny scheduled to

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Speaker 1: make a start this this week for his CFL team.

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Speaker 1: But Josh McCown is gonna be a huge and I

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Speaker 1: repeat massive reason for Sam Donald's future success. Teaching him

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Speaker 1: how to be a pro, teaching him how to operate

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Speaker 1: the right way, and sometimes super high characters, great guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, you would think like they don't really need

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Speaker 1: a mentor you know, they're they're gonna do the right

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Speaker 1: things anyway. But we're all humans, and anytime you're two

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Speaker 1: years old. Having a pro, whether it's a All Pro

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Speaker 1: or just a high level pro that might be an

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Speaker 1: average player but does everything the right way to look

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Speaker 1: up to means a lot and every day. Josh McCown

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Speaker 1: showing this guy how to work, showing this guy to

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Speaker 1: how to prepare, showing this guy how to be a teammate,

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Speaker 1: is gonna be so important and vital in like five

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Speaker 1: years when the Jets are win the division every year

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Speaker 1: because Tom Brady's long gone and Bill Belichick's and Nantucket

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Speaker 1: with Cougar Linda, like that's going to happen. Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: is going to dominate this division because Ryan Tannehill stinks

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Speaker 1: the Jets are, I mean the Dolphins zone of quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as everyone knows a believer in Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: which you can also read about on the Athletics Buffalo site.

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Speaker 1: He's been hit or missed so far from what I've read,

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Speaker 1: uh this training camp. And Brady's forty one years old.

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Speaker 1: It eventually is gonna end, whether he gets injured, whether

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Speaker 1: he just retires, It's just not gonna last forever. As

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Speaker 1: much as personally I would love it too. I like

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Speaker 1: watching Tom Brady and Belichick and the Patriots. But it's

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Speaker 1: just it's finite. It's just it's gonna end, whether that's

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Speaker 1: Week one this year when he gets hurt, whether that's

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Speaker 1: in two years, it's gonna happen. And to me, Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald's gonna be the guy. And it's so clear the

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Speaker 1: impact that Josh McCown is gonna have on this player

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Speaker 1: four years to come, when Josh McCown is retired and

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Speaker 1: long gone and the Jets are building around this guy.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think, I mean, how many good quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: of the Jets had the last forty years, fifty years,

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Speaker 1: Joe Willie, Chad Bennington, they really haven't had any. Mark

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Speaker 1: Sanchez was terrible. I mean, he just happened to play

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Speaker 1: on an excellent defense that this guy is gonna change

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Speaker 1: the franchise and this franchise. I hated the move when

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Speaker 1: they did it to go from six to three because

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Speaker 1: you didn't know who you're gonna get, but the football gods,

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Speaker 1: as Bruce Bocci told Jason Stark, and I mean, the

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Speaker 1: best baseball article I've read this week on the athletic

505
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Speaker 1: Boaci flew out to Cooperstown to watch Trevor Hoffman get

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Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame, and he basically said

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Speaker 1: he went to pray to the baseball gods hoping to

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Speaker 1: help the Giants, Uh, the San Francsco Giants, that is,

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Speaker 1: get back on track. And I think there was an element.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Jets fan, you're just like, when are

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Speaker 1: the football god's gonna throw us a bone here? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And I think you

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Speaker 1: finally got one, I think for the first time in

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Speaker 1: a long time. And I had a front row seat

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Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. I think a lot of Raider

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Speaker 1: fans felt like that for a long time. And then

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Speaker 1: the football gods threw him a bone with Derek Carr

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Speaker 1: and Khalil. Every once in a while, you need that

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Speaker 1: to happen, and I think it happened this year with

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. He's gonna change the friend I've watched him

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Speaker 1: at SC There's that there is an it quality to him.

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of friends in the league that

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Speaker 1: just watched him as a pure player that didn't quite

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Speaker 1: see it. And I get it. He's got kind of

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Speaker 1: a funky, loopy release. Uh, he's not. I guess when

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Speaker 1: he took his shirt off at the combine. It's not

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Speaker 1: like he's super jacked. I don't care. I don't. I

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00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: don't pay my quarterbacks to live weights. I pay him

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Speaker 1: to complete balls and win games. And I watched him

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Speaker 1: at SC with a coach that's probably taped it over

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Speaker 1: his head, with a talent and a roster that is

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Speaker 1: nowhere up to USC standards, and all he did was

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Speaker 1: last year won the Pack twelve and the year before

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Speaker 1: I think he went like eleven and one and we

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Speaker 1: won the Rose Bowl. I mean, this guy is an

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Speaker 1: ass kicker and he's big time. He's special. There's an

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Speaker 1: quality to this guy. And I know that the analytical

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00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: people would be like, how do you quantify it. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you don't that you don't, but you know, don't win.

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Speaker 1: You see it, And this guy's got it. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna change the franchise. Obviously not this year,

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Speaker 1: even though I do think, uh, and I've been saying

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Speaker 1: for a while, there is a path to the Jets

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Speaker 1: winning the division this year. It would take a Brady injury.

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Speaker 1: If Brady were to get hurt, a significant injury and

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Speaker 1: be out for the season, the Patriots would be screwed.

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Speaker 1: UH that they no longer have two quarterbacks that they

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Speaker 1: could win the division. Obviously, if Jimmy was on the team,

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Speaker 1: they would easily win the division. Regardless of Brady, that's

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Speaker 1: no longer the case. Brian Horriers now the backup, and

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00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: Brian Horge thinks so if Brian Horrier would have to

552
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: start several games, especially if Brady got knocked out for

553
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: the season, sometimes I'm not advocating for that and I

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00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen, but if it did, I

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Speaker 1: do think the Jets are clearly the second best team

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Speaker 1: in the division. Uh And I think Sam Donald he's

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Speaker 1: already gonna be one of those guys that you know,

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00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: people ask me often like who are you a fan of?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not a fan of teams. I

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00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: root for players and coaches that I like that I

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00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: admire that I just liked their game. And Sam Donald's

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Speaker 1: a player that I that I'll like his game. Daniel

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00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Jeremiah remember a couple of years ago, Sam Donald's first

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Speaker 1: year starting. I was texting with him. He obviously lives

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Speaker 1: in southern California and watches the USC very closely, and

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Speaker 1: he described him as like a bigger Russell Wilson, and

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Speaker 1: there's an element of Russell. Now it's more quantifiable, but

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Speaker 1: early on those first several couple of you know, years

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Speaker 1: now the team was much better. So it's not apples

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Speaker 1: the table, but you knew it when you saw it,

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Speaker 1: Like God, this guy's kind of special. And I was

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Speaker 1: taking a couple of years. Now no one can argue

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Speaker 1: it like he's elite. He's doesn't get much better. Now.

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Speaker 1: Will Sam Donald one day be as good as Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that, but there is a Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson Wilson element to his game. And I'm a Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald believer and I can't wait to watch him play.

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Speaker 1: I have at three and thirteen, I'm with you. I

639
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Speaker 1: don't think the Giants are You're gonna be a playoff team,

640
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be a lot a lot better that.

641
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: The NFC is absolutely stacked. It is not even a

642
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: question mark in my mind what division or what conference

643
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Speaker 1: is better. When you look at the NFC South, three

644
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Speaker 1: teams made the playoffs last year. All three can make

645
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Speaker 1: the playoffs again this year. Obviously, Tampa's in some trouble

646
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: with the train wreck did as James. When you look

647
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Speaker 1: at the NFC East Eagles defending champions, the Cowboys went

648
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: nine and seven and Zeke was suspended six games. To me,

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00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: they're a playoff team. I do think the Giants are

650
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna bounce back, though I do believe the enthusiasm should

651
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: be tempered a little bit because I just think ELI

652
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: is not that good. Then you look at the NFC North,

653
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Speaker 1: the Packers with Aaron Rodgers, I mean, let's call it

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Speaker 1: what it is, They're a twelve thirteam, win team as

655
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: long as he's healthy. The Minnesota Vikings are absolutely stacked.

656
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears are going to be much better with

657
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: my guy Matt Naggy, and the Detroit Lions, like you said,

658
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: are just they have a solid roster. So if Matt

659
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Patricia is not a train wreck, they're gonna be good.

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00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: The NFC West probably the worst division you know of

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Speaker 1: the four, but just because I think the Niners are

662
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: a tad bit overrated, but they do have Jimmy Garoppolo

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00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: on Kyle Shanahan, so they're gonna win games. The Rams

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00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: are loaded on paper. The Seahawks clearly pretty fault flawed,

665
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: but they do have a top five quarterback. You know,

666
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: if you are gonna be shitty, well, if the one

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00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: positive thing you have is a stud quarterback, you're not

668
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: that bad, right. You could beat any team on any

669
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Speaker 1: given week, especially I think Pete Carroll's lost his fastball

670
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's still Pete Carroll. I mean,

671
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: he's still won a Super Bowl, been to another one

672
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: National championships I count the one that they pretend that

673
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So in John Snyder what we'll see. I mean,

674
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Speaker 1: Rashad Penny. That was a little bit of a rich

675
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Speaker 1: draft pick, but I'm with it. The Cardinals win eight

676
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: and eight last year with Blaine Gabbart, so Josh Rosen

677
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: and Sam Donald are definitely an upgrade. The NFC is

678
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: as good as it gets now, is it? Is it

679
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: like in the in the mid nineties when the forty

680
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Speaker 1: Niners the Dallas Cowboys were the two best teams in

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: the league, and then Brett Farven the Packers came around, Like,

682
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a team in the league

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Speaker 1: that is that good, you know, in the NFC. But

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Speaker 1: I'm with the depth of these teams, Like the difference

685
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Speaker 1: between if the Cowboys are the six seed. To me,

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys could win the NFC. I think

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00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: the Rams could win the NFC. I think the Falcons

688
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: could win the NFC. I think the New Orleans Saints

689
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: could win the NFC. Obviously, the Eagles could win the NFC,

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00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: the Packers could win the NFC, The Minnesota Vikes could

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Speaker 1: win the NFC. Stack man, it is stack. I I

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00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: can't I can't wait to watch teams like the Bears.

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00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait to watch teams like the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners. I can't wait to watch Hell the Giants.

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00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: I want to see Sae Kwon Barkley and Odell Beckham Jr.

696
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest ELI guy, but they're gonna be good.

697
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: You know that they're gonna be competitive. Good is strong

698
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: because I think there are six or seven win team.

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00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they're three and third team because they

700
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: went how many games they win last year? Two or

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00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: three and they basically quit on half there. They're gonna try,

702
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: and Odell Beckham didn't play. They're gonna be better. But

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. The the NFC, it's as good as

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00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: it gets, and that the what the NFL really needs

705
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: this year that they lost last year. They had a

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00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: lot of quarterback injuries. Rogers out wentz out that they

707
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: need to keep these guys and then just other injuries

708
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Speaker 1: from J. J. Watt to Odell Beckham Jr. Zeke suspended

709
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: that they got to keep these guys on the field

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: because we live in a culture that likes its stars.

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00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, you want to watch overachievers go to a

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Speaker 1: high school game. I flip on the television Sunday to

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00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: watch Odell Beckham Jr. And Tom Brady and Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Aaron Donald. That's that's who I want

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Speaker 1: to see. Russell Wilson. You know if I if I

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00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: want to watch them overachiever, try hard guy, I'll go

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00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: to high school football game. I flip on my television

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. You know, I want to watch Levy on Bill.

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Speaker 1: I want to watch Cam Newton. That's that's why I

720
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Speaker 1: pay a premium for my cable Bill. Okay, uh let's

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00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: strong question for the pod. How do you in front

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00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: offices in general evaluate performances of head coaches considering the

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Speaker 1: myriad of variables roster ownership, contributions of assistance. It is

724
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: a good question. It seems difficult to know just how

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00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: much coaches performance factors in the successful failure see del

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00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Rio having zero to do with the twelve one season.

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: I agree, how is this done from the inside. I

728
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: think it's one of the hardest things to evaluate in

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00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: in all of American business, in all of the private sector.

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Speaker 1: Like in most businesses, it's pretty black and white, like

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: you're making money, you're not your stocks growing. In football,

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00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: and I think this often happens. Teams are good, or

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Speaker 1: they may have like a nine and seven season or

734
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Speaker 1: ten and sixth season and maybe make a wild card,

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and most of the fan base and hell,

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Speaker 1: maybe even the general manager don't think the coach is

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00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: doing that much or don't think the success is predicated

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Speaker 1: on the coach. And it's basically impossible to quantify because

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: it's not really a quantifiable thing besides just winning and losing,

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Speaker 1: which at the end of the day is the most

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Speaker 1: important thing. But I think del Rio was a good example,

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Speaker 1: and you often see this with coaches in the league,

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, there are two years ago, the

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00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Raiders offense was incredible. They went twelve and four. Derek

745
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Carr before he broke his ankle, was a legit MVP candidate,

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Speaker 1: and they had like six fourth quarter comebacks. The defense

747
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: was an abomination, and you go, well, jack'son defensive guy.

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Speaker 1: He has nothing to do with the offense. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: even know the place, he does not know the plays

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00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: on offense, so he has zero to do with the offense.

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00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Clearly they're coming back into spite of him. He you know,

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00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: he just kind of stands there. He's not great at

753
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: time management. It was just clear he was a bad coach.

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, teams cannot have as good of

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00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: a record, like the Arizona Cardinals last year they went

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00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: eight and eight. Blaine Gabett was a quarterback. David Johnson

757
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: went down in Game one. It was clear Bruce Bruce

758
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: was calling him Bruce Irvin. Bruce arians was awesome last

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00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: year and he retired as a big loss for the

760
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: years in the Cardinals, like he's really good. It's clear

761
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer's teams well coached. It's clear as Andy reives

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00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: teams are well coached. Mike Tomlin, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people question Mike Tomlin, like how do you quantify it?

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Speaker 1: I give him somewhat of the benefit of the doubt,

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: because you don't stay in a place that long and

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Speaker 1: have that many consistent seasons. I know they have a

767
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: star quarterback. I thought their defense actually took a huge

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Speaker 1: step last year before Ryan Shazier had the unfortunate accident

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Speaker 1: and at least you know, think god E can walk

770
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: now probably never played football again, but their defense was

771
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: really good, So I give Mike Tomlin somewhat of the

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00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: benefit the doubt. Like Bill Belichick is clearly the greatest

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Speaker 1: coach of all time. I don't think it's arguable. Now

774
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: some people will say Lombardi, some people say Walsh, Parcels Belichick.

775
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: I'll take Belichick all day long. And it's it's easy

776
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: to quantify. He goes wins the FC every year he's

777
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: in the he wins the Super Bowl like every two years.

778
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: Like it's it's black and white. But like Pete Carroll,

779
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's resume these last fifteen years is pretty damn good.

780
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: And has he Austin as fast Boys in his mid sixties, probably,

781
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: But Pete Carroll was an elite football coach. He dominated

782
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: a see now, there were some variables that worked to

783
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: his benefit. The Pack twelve was down. The Pack twelve

784
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: was one of the last conferences to pay big time

785
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: money for coaches, and then other guys came in like

786
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and Jim Harbaugh. And then at the end,

787
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Speaker 1: I don't even think they have a cross pass. Chris

788
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Peterson kind of changed the game, but then he goes

789
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: to Seattle remakes the whole thing. Like, it's clear Pete's

790
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: really good. So if this ends really ugly, Pete had

791
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: a hell of a run. Was big time. Uh, it's

792
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: it's not a black and white formula. There is no

793
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Speaker 1: way to just throw it into an algorithm and get

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00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: this guy is a good coach. This guy is a

795
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: bad coach because ultimately, it's a job of managing humans,

796
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: not robots. Uh, It's It's just it's a lot of

797
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: managing personalities. It's a lot of administration of work in

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00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: terms of setting schedules, motivating things that you can see

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Speaker 1: if a team is ready or not on Sunday, but

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Speaker 1: the motivation that goes on through the week. I think

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00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: it's hard, and it's why so many coaches don't work.

802
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: It's why there's so many poor hires. It's why so

803
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: many great businessmen in America that own NFL teams can't

804
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: find a good head coach, you know, for the life

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: of them. It's a it's a really hard thing. And

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00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: I've never had to hire anyone like for my own business.

807
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: I've helped hire people like working in football interns or whatever.

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00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, because you get you get a

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00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: piece of paper and just like any assistant coach, right,

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00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: he has a resume, what his offense was, what his

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Speaker 1: defense was, what other people say about him. It's letters

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00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: of reference. And then you interview him and you go, God,

813
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: this guy sharp, this guy looks the part. This guy

814
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: is well spoken, but you never truly know till you

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00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: get him. And like you said, I mean, who is

816
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: picking the players? How big of an influenced his ownership have.

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00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: It's not an exact science by any means. Hell, I'd

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00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: say it's it's less in exact acting, like picking of

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00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: the players, in picking the coaches. And as you see

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00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: around the league, i'd say college and pro a lot

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Speaker 1: of assistants who are hired are just people that that

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00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: head coach knows, you know. It's not often. That's why

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Speaker 1: I was so impressed with my guy, Matt Naggie. He

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00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: went outside the box. He hired people that he didn't

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Speaker 1: know that well, you know, from Mark Helfritsch to the

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach from Notre Dame, just people. You know.

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Speaker 1: He kept Vic fan Joe they had never met, which

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00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say is pretty easy. But not

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00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: every young coach would do that. Vic can be intimidating,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they're gonna listen to everything. Matt says no,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Matt knew this guy can coach,

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Speaker 1: and most young coaches don't have the security internally the

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00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: self confidence to do things like that. So it's just

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Speaker 1: it's one of the great questions and I don't think

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Speaker 1: much will ever change, even as the analytics in the

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Speaker 1: world grow. It's just something you can't quantify. And I

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Speaker 1: think we'll continue to see swinging misses for head coaches

838
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: and guys come out of nowhere and become great head coaches.

839
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: And there there's a huge element to also the hype

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00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: that we hear from media members. A lot of media

841
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: members now are represented by the same agents that represent

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00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: these coaches, so it's kind of a rig deal. So

843
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: be careful when you read these lists of the top

844
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: young coaches in the league or in college football. There's

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00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: there's usually a reason that certain guys are listed. It's

846
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: not always the best coaches. Let's get to a couple

847
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: iTunes questions really quick. That was Instagram slide into my

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Speaker 1: d m s at. John Mittlecoff also been answering a

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Speaker 1: Mail bad question. Even though I don't think he will,

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Speaker 1: if Saban leaves his dynasty and heads to the NFL,

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Speaker 1: how much success do you think he'd have and what

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Speaker 1: teams might pursue him? I I think I start with

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Speaker 1: just what you said to begin with. I know he

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Speaker 1: recently signed a you know, ten year contract. We all

856
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Speaker 1: know that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But I think those

857
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Speaker 1: days like it's just a stupid conversation. Now it's just over.

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Speaker 1: I do think he would have had success if he

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Speaker 1: would have jumped back like four or five years ago,

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Speaker 1: especially with the Indianapolis Colts, which I do think there's

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Speaker 1: some truth to the rumors that he turned them down.

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Speaker 1: You know, him and Gruden turned them down over the

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Speaker 1: years at multiple different times. Separately. I'm not saying multiple

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Speaker 1: like Nick was turned him down twice, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's turned down NFL jobs. I think he would have

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Speaker 1: been successful if they would have had the right team.

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Speaker 1: He's just too good of a coach, and he's too

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Speaker 1: old now like he's he's not quite a dictator anymore.

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Speaker 1: He it's a little more of a loosey goosey ship

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Speaker 1: than it was ten years ago. So one would you

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Speaker 1: have been Belichick or Andy Reid? Probably not. How would

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Speaker 1: he have been Pete Carroll? Likelihood would have been slim,

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Speaker 1: you know, but he would have been successful. He is

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Speaker 1: just too good of a football coach. Alabama is such

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Speaker 1: it's just such a completely different level than every other

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Speaker 1: program in America right now. To think that he wouldn't work,

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Speaker 1: it's just how would you bet against him? But I

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Speaker 1: think it is one of those things that we can

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Speaker 1: just setting stone, Like I think there are two guys,

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban coach k Remember coach k wasn't flirted with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers ten years ago like Kobe middle of Kobe's

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Speaker 1: you know, tenure, it's just over there, they're not it's

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Speaker 1: not happening. So the conversation of what team would go

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Speaker 1: after him, I I don't think any teams are coming

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Speaker 1: after him anymore, because I just think it's a waste

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Speaker 1: of time. And I'm a believer in you know, you

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Speaker 1: set your sights high and you go for people that

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Speaker 1: are probably you know, whether it's a personal relationship, you know, dating,

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Speaker 1: or whether it's trying to hire someone you know, swing

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Speaker 1: for the fences. But it's just we're at the point

891
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Speaker 1: now where's kind of a waste of time. Like calling

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Speaker 1: David Shaw and Chris Peterson still makes sense even if

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Speaker 1: they're constantly saying no. But Nick Saban in his mid sixties,

894
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Speaker 1: like he's retiring in Alabama, and then I'll probably do

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Speaker 1: college game day for a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll just hang out at the lake like it's

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Speaker 1: this is this is happening. He's just gonna rattle off championships.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna pass Bear Bryant, and he's gonna call it

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Speaker 1: a career. Hey, John, I gotta ask this comes from

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Speaker 1: web of some Chargers injuries, the charges of dealt with

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Speaker 1: significant injuries before the season starts. Each of the last

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Speaker 1: few seasons, it's just just the most incredible string of

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Speaker 1: bad luck for an organization or something more how much

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Speaker 1: if any doesn't have to do with the strength coach

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Speaker 1: or the team. UH have any connection Josh in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I always think this. People always like to blame the

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Speaker 1: trainers because in society we always want to blame someone. Now,

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Speaker 1: is there a chance I don't know anything about the

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Speaker 1: Chargers trainers know nothing about him. Is there a chance

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Speaker 1: that if you just had to rake rank the trainers,

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Speaker 1: like if you really could if if people that knew

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Speaker 1: what they were talking about when into any every NFL

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Speaker 1: team met with the trainer, saw what they were doing

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Speaker 1: and ranked, and the Chargers would have the worst strength

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Speaker 1: and conditioning staff in the league. I do think that's possible.

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Speaker 1: I do not know that. I also think there's a

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Speaker 1: chance the Chargers historically have been one of the cheapest

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Speaker 1: teams in the league. Would it shock me if they

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Speaker 1: are paying their trainers the least amount. In the private sector,

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Speaker 1: you typically get what you pay for. You know, you

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Speaker 1: may find a diamond in the rough, but that guy

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Speaker 1: is eventually going to leave if you continue to low ball.

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Speaker 1: So I I that's a theory that I know is

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Speaker 1: not substantiated. I don't know for a fact, but it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if they have one of the lowest

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Speaker 1: paid training staffs in the league. Why because the Chargers

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Speaker 1: they don't pay coaches very much. Well, they definitely don't

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Speaker 1: play the video guys, the trainers, the equipment guys very much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Spanos resume is just set. But I

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Speaker 1: will say this, Jason Verettes was hurt coming out of

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Speaker 1: college and he's just been hurt in the league. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily put that on the Chargers. Also, Hunter

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Speaker 1: Henry tearing his a c L. A c L injuries

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Speaker 1: happen all the time in the NFL off season. You know,

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Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago, Jeremy Macklin towards a

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Speaker 1: c L. Michael Crabtree once upon a time torn achilles. Uh,

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Speaker 1: guys just terra c ls in non contact injuries in

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Speaker 1: the off season. So there is a freaky element to that,

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Speaker 1: and I know people are like, well, it always happens

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers. Was at Forest Lamp last year their

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Speaker 1: first round pick. I It's hard for me with no

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Speaker 1: information to just blame the training staff, but I do

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Speaker 1: think it ship flows downhill, and at the top of

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Speaker 1: the Chargers hill is the Spanos family. And when you're

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Speaker 1: notoriously cheap, that there's a reason why this team that's

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Speaker 1: had all this talent the last fifteen years, with multiple

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Speaker 1: different regimes, just always seems to underachieve a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And they almost got to the top, like with Marty Schottenheimer,

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Speaker 1: and it looked like, God, this thing is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a dynasty. And then what happened. They couldn't deal with

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Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer got rid of them, and they kept a J.

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Speaker 1: Smith and that ultimately backfired. And now the last several

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Speaker 1: years from Mike McCoy and now Anthony Lynn, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not the biggest Anthony Lynn guy because I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a dynamic enough head coach. And I also think

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Speaker 1: the part of the reason he's the head coach of

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Speaker 1: the San Diego Church because he was cheap like they're not.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not advocating paying a hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: for a coach, but they would never do that. They

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Speaker 1: I refused to call the l A Chargers. You would

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Speaker 1: never read the headline the San Diego Chargers have hired

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Speaker 1: David Shaw. That just wouldn't happen. But you might read

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks have hired David Shaw, the San francsco

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Speaker 1: forty Niners have hired Chris Peterson. Right, you would never

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Speaker 1: read the San Diego Chargers have hired Urban Meyer because

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Speaker 1: you know why that costs money. So am I blaming

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Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning staff or the trainers for these

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Speaker 1: a c L injuries. I'm gonna chalk it more up

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Speaker 1: to just being freaky bad luck. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that you get what you pay for at the at

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Speaker 1: the highest level of business, and we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: billion dollar business, mom and pop shop. You can get

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Speaker 1: away with some stuff in football at this allowed when

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Speaker 1: your highest paid employees are making fifty million dollars, when

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Speaker 1: your coaches, not the Chargers, you know, are making seven

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Speaker 1: eight million dollars, when you got coordinators making seven figures.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how much coaches making the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Like a position coach in the NFL makes like five grand,

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Speaker 1: and that that's like a tight end coach, dB coach,

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Speaker 1: like an offensive line coach makes like nine million. A coordinator,

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Speaker 1: a good one with a little experience, makes like one, four,

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Speaker 1: one five. The top ones make like two. You know,

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Speaker 1: Vic Fangiel is probably making like two. So these guys

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Speaker 1: get paid a premium. Now, Belichick, I've often heard, you

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Speaker 1: know what, the Patriots don't pay that much here. They're unique.

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Speaker 1: They got Bill Belichick and Tom Brady that they cover

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Speaker 1: up all the blindishes the Chargers don't. And again I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna put this on the strength of conditioning staff,

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Speaker 1: but I will put a lot of their underachieving attributes

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Speaker 1: as a franchise. Since I've really been in college in

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Speaker 1: the early two thousand's with they've had excellent teams on

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Speaker 1: the Spanos family, so I blame them for their problems.

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