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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I

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Speaker 1: today is one of the most polarizing college athletes ever,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what's in the Texas water.

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Speaker 1: You get Patrick maholl, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Look,

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Speaker 1: What are they drinking in Texas to produce these type quarterbacks?

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Speaker 2: It's a way of life from the time you're I

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Speaker 2: the guys that you name that's our current, you know,

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Speaker 2: NFL recent guys that you see, but you can take

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton, right right, what that guy did at TCU,

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Speaker 2: what he did for the state of Texas. And if

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Speaker 2: during that time, right, you know. So there have been

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Speaker 2: You know, from the time you're five six years old,

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Speaker 2: and knowing the landscape now it's only gotten bigger, right,

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Speaker 1: You remember watching those guys playing high school football when

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Speaker 2: won the Heights Been in twenty twelve. He won it

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see any of those guys high school

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Speaker 2: Tell? I would say I watched Kyler's career probably the closest.

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Speaker 2: And if you know anything about Texas high school football,

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Speaker 1: Why was it Texas A and M able to keep him?

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Speaker 2: You know, I have my opinion on this and one

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Speaker 2: After I left the direction of the program. I felt

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Speaker 2: They played this game of back and forth and not

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Speaker 2: When I went to college, my dad shook Mike Sherman,

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Speaker 2: You get a new contract, you go to the SEC,

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Speaker 2: talking about new stadium, you're talking about a new deal.

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Speaker 1: Because Kyler was supposed to be that was supposed to

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Speaker 1: that Saturday afternoon in Tuscaloosa is what you actually did

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Speaker 1: Johnny built this, he has it going. Guess what we

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Speaker 2: I worked my ass off behind the scenes and get

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Speaker 1: But when you watch Kyler transfer and then you see

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Speaker 1: I think he took him to the college football Player

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Speaker 1: I don't really care what system it is. You see

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like kind of discounted him,

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Speaker 1: they're okay, you walk out the door, you only five

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, you're not gonna be.

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Speaker 2: And he catch fire? Did they not just learn it

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Speaker 2: with me? Did they now watch the five eleven guy

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Speaker 2: They believed in me, and that came from Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 2: I went and wanted to see Kyler and the mesh

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Speaker 2: Why. I think what made coach someone so great is

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Speaker 1: back it up. You said your dad went to Kevin Somebley. Yep,

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Speaker 1: it says for three million dollars, we're staying for two

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Speaker 2: This sold. This is a backroom deal went on for

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Speaker 1: And you guys that you know you'll texting and them

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Speaker 1: If he had gone to any of the boosters and say,

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Speaker 2: We don't need it right now. But from my security,

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Speaker 1: In fact, if I ask you, said, Johnny, who's your

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Johnny, your upbringing, what was

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Speaker 4: When you say you were a good kid, good kid.

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Speaker 2: Good kid by one hundred percent of America. I was

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Speaker 2: He's like, we're moving, does it? Word just packs everything

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00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: up and we drive five and a half hours away

434
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: to Curveville, Texas. And Curveville, Texas is forty miles west

435
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 2: of San Antonio, out in the middle of the hill country. Beautiful,

436
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: but it's very country, you know. It's very little, backwoods

437
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: kind of placed twenty thousand people and it's duly trucks

438
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: and farms and ranches and everything you would expect the

439
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: Texas town to be. And when I went there, life shifted.

440
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: It was like the old Johnny Manziel was there before

441
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 2: that move and then there was a completely new person

442
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: born after that. And I think that comes from like

443
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: when I got there and I first got to class

444
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: at this new school, I was nervous and I didn't

445
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: have any of my friends, I didn't know anything. It

446
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: was the most first time in my life. I think

447
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: I was really really uncomfortable in the situation that I

448
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: was in, and I created and took over a little

449
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: bit of a different persona in the sense of like

450
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 2: kind of where I get a little bit more of

451
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: my attitude, a little bit more of this country place

452
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: where I felt like I had to. You know, I

453
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: stick up for myself, not even flax, I stick up

454
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: for myself. You know, I'm a new kid on the

455
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: block here. I ain't getting bullied around by nobody out here.

456
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: My dad taught me the right way that somebody wrongs

457
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: you in a sense, right, you can either try and

458
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: handle it the right way as a man, or if

459
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: somebody takes it too far down the line, I give

460
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: you full permission to do what you need to do

461
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: to protect yourself. And I felt like I was getting

462
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: bullied around and punked around a little bit, and I

463
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: started to stand on my ground, and with that became

464
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: a new like growth. There's a fifteen year old, fourteen

465
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: year old kid in life, and I remember that shift

466
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: like it was yesterday.

467
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: You said, your dad all of a sudden packed the

468
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: family up and limp. How unexpected was it? Were there

469
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: any talk do you remember him, he and your mom

470
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: having a conversation about, you know, this is not working.

471
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 4: I think we might need to move. I think there's

472
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: a better opportunity to over here.

473
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: Was there ever any conversation that your family there are

474
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: the possibility that your family might leave?

475
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 4: Tyler and head to where you ended up going.

476
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: None. None came in one day and just that was it.

477
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: We got in the car, we went and that was it.

478
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Never heard of conversation, never heard of talk, never really

479
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: got a reason, nothing. We were just doing it. And

480
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: as I know now, you know, my dad took a

481
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: better job in a different industry to be able to

482
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: go do that and do something that gave him more

483
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: time to be a father. Okay, you know, the card

484
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: business for him was a six day a week, six

485
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: in the morning until eight pm, grind. Like I got

486
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: to see my dad at dinner at night, and then

487
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: on those Sundays that we spoke about, so you know,

488
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: I get two hours with him at night during the

489
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: week and then we get that Sunday family time that

490
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: we get and hopefully baseball doesn't overlap. So it was

491
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: very much a family decision to be able to spend

492
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: more time together and get a fresh start. You know,

493
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: my family and Tyler had a reputation about him, you know,

494
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: as being wild and being this party family and kind

495
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: of you know, the rumor I guess around East Texas

496
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: was the you know, it was a little bit of

497
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: my fioso kind of vibe to it a little bit.

498
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: This is what I hear and what I was hearing

499
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: as a kid, Right, That's what I would hear when

500
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: I was in elementary school. Oh, you're a Manzell Like

501
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: it was always that kind of like we're judging you

502
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: before we even know who you are. So I think

503
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: a lot of that had to do with my dad

504
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: tired of hearing all the chirp about our last name.

505
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: When did you, or if ever, when you were growing

506
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: up have an appreciation for what your dad was doing.

507
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: You mentioned that he worked six days a week, that

508
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: he left at six a six am in the morning,

509
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: he came home at eight pm, and you guys had dinner,

510
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: so you basically got the dinner time. That was it,

511
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and then you got Sunday golf outing. What did you

512
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: ever become resemful that you weren't spending the quality time

513
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: with your dad and that he wasn't driving you around

514
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: to all these baseball games.

515
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was resentment. I would say there

516
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: was full blown anger at that point in time, back

517
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: in the day, like to the max, Like I'm watching

518
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: other kids have their parents be there and stuff, and

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: it's a natural inclination to be able to be like, yo,

520
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why is my mom is a rock? Right?

521
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Like my mom was? She never blinked, she never solid,

522
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: solid woman. And now that I look back at I

523
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: realized what my dad was doing. It takes a lot

524
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: of time and a lot of effort and a lot

525
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: of energy to be able to provide for a family,

526
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: especially when you get away from the nest egg and

527
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: the grandparents and everything and you go do it on

528
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: your own, so, you know, for a long time, and

529
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: this is where me and my dad around this time

530
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: just started button heads. And then this is where the

531
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: this is where the sneak, you know, this is where

532
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: the sneaking and the drinking, and this is where it

533
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: all kind of like starts to unravel a little bit.

534
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: And this is kind of at this point in time,

535
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen years old, where I start to go down

536
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: a path that you later see on a national scale.

537
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Do you believe had your father been around more frequently

538
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: that the Johnny Manziel that started happening around fifteen sixteen

539
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: and would later cost you a lot of what you

540
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: had worked so hard for. Had he been around, do

541
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: you believe this would have.

542
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Happened no, I believe that life goes exactly the way

543
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: that it's supposed to go. So if he was around,

544
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: it's a big if, right, and that it's a hypothetical

545
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: type of situation. Hard for me to answer, But I

546
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: know now all of the bad parts of me make

547
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: me exactly who I am, right. All the failure that

548
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: I've had in life, failure, what I really fail on.

549
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: I lived my dream by the time I was twenty

550
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: two years old. That dream that I had when I'm

551
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: sitting in that classroom in Curveville, Texas, I accomplished at

552
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: twenty two. Now, my dreams never were to go be

553
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: in the position that you were in with a Hall

554
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: of Fame jacket and to be the best NFL player ever.

555
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Very much felt like when I got drafted and that

556
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: I got a chance to start in an NFL game,

557
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: like my dreams were completely accomplished, almost well, And that's

558
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: just the way I truly feel, you know. So my life,

559
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and everything in between, it went

560
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: exactly the way that it was supposed to go. To

561
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: be sitting here with you today, and I learned more

562
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: through the failures than I ever did through the rise.

563
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: Ever You're growing up, you say, because you had played

564
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: baseball at started baseball at such an early age. By

565
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: the time you got to about fourteen fifteen, you had

566
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: completely burnt out on the game of baseball, So now

567
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: you transitioned to football. Was your size ever a problem

568
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: that did? A coach ever?

569
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: Takes that?

570
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: Johnny, You're just too small?

571
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: So uh, of course, of course. I think that's a

572
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: big reason why I didn't go to the University of Texas.

573
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: They wouldn't pull the trigger on me and my size

574
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: at any position. They wanted me to play safety, like

575
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: safety safety me. The ain't got a lot of white

576
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: safeties out there. Shit, no, no, no, they don't. They don't.

577
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: So but I'm think I'm thinking, like, hold on, if he'

578
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: too small to play, if he's five or eleven, how

579
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: much you wait coming out of high school one.

580
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Hundred and seventy three pounds seventy five.

581
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: But they didn't think you could play quarterback because of

582
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that size. But they felt you'd be perfect for safety.

583
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: They saw athletic ability. Okay, they saw a special.

584
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: Athletic talent, and they didn't know what it was. And

585
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: to be honest, until I met George Whitfield, and went

586
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: and started training with him. I didn't believe in myself

587
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: that I was a quarterback. Okay, you were an athlete.

588
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: I just wanted to play football. I would play receiver,

589
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: I played running back in high school. I played anything

590
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: that I could play to get on the field and

591
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 2: be with my dogs.

592
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. In your high school career, you

593
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: passed over seventy six hundred yards. You had seventy six

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: total touchdowns in high school parade All America, Mister Texas football,

595
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the mister football in the state

596
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: of There are certain states. Now, yeah, and this is

597
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: not a knock, but if you missed the football in

598
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: North Dakota, they don't hold the same weight as mister

599
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: football in Florida, Georgia, Texas, California.

600
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: If you're from North Dakota, maybe, if you're from North Dakota,

601
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right.

602
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: But being missed football in the state of Texas, that

603
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: means no matter what your size is, Johnny, everybody should

604
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: have been beaten down your door and not looking at

605
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you saying, well, he's only five, level one seventy three.

606
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: The world was perfect, maybe it would have went that way,

607
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: but we both know that it's not. And then people

608
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: oversee greatness all the time. We do you, I mean

609
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: not necessarily you, but in immediate type. People overlook great

610
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: inness all the time. People are still knocking down brock

611
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Perty's door right now and all the heaters are coming through.

612
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: For what, mister irrelevant to a Super Bowl. I mean,

613
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: it's about identifying greatness in somebody, in their soul and

614
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: in their heart. It's more than just what you can

615
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: do with your hands and with your arms and with

616
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: your legs.

617
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Right at the school's Oregon, Rice Stanford, Iowa State, Baylor,

618
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: CSU of Colorado, State, Louisiana Tech, Tousta, Wyoma in Texas,

619
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: A and m and it says I read that you

620
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: said that you de committed from Oregon because they had

621
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota and you didn't feel confident enough in yourself

622
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: that you could beat him out or you get an

623
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to play.

624
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: I didn't go to Oregon, not anything that had to

625
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: do with Marcus. It's really nice, Unies, Hey, that was

626
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: the reason I wanted to go. Two thousand and eleven,

627
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: I think was twenty ten cam Newton Auburn year they

628
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: played Michael James and the Ducks and Fiesta Bowl for

629
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: the National Championship. There's jerseys coming out. I'm committed. Whoa crazy?

630
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: And when I went there, they made my family. So

631
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: when I get into contact with Oregon and Trip Kelly,

632
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: they didn't give us, you know, the roll out, the

633
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: red carpet treatment to go visit. They're like, you want

634
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: to come up here on your dime and come to

635
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: this camp. We'll let you come in and we'll evaluate you.

636
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: And as I get there, meeting with Chip Kelly and

637
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: doing the whole deal that you do on a recruiting trip,

638
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: I get to the you know, we get to the

639
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: football portion of it, where we're going out on the

640
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: field and I jog out to where I'm supposed to

641
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: go and there's this kid sitting there, six ' four

642
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: Hawaiian kid and he's in line. I go, yo, what's up, bro,

643
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: You're playing receiver today? And he looks at me and

644
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm playing quarterback. And I remember in my

645
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: head at that time, I'm like, I'm so fucked. I'm

646
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: toast this kid. So there was that initial reaction and

647
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: then as we go through the drills, it's just like boom,

648
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: boom boom, boom, boom boom. Two Heisman Trophy winners before

649
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: it ever happens. Just so good that when we got

650
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: off the field that day, we both got offered at

651
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: the same time at the same day, and I committed

652
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: on the spot. There wasn't no doubt that that's what

653
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. It had nothing to do. They

654
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: could have had five six quarterbacks in that class, and

655
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: they told us they were going to take three because

656
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: they needed death. So I knew that going into it,

657
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: and I committed anyway. Oh so, now.

658
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: What about you said you wanted to go to Texas

659
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: but they didn't feel you was big enough to play

660
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: the position. So was it? U, T, A, and M.

661
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Were those the only text of school that you like?

662
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Considering Frogs.

663
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: I took a visit there and had a buddy from

664
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: high school that was going to school there, and I

665
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: went there. I was like, damn, there's a lot of

666
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: girls up.

667
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: Here and they parted if they parted almost every year.

668
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: Number one party schooled it Frogs.

669
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: I mean, man, it's crazy. When I was in high school,

670
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: I was like, this place is heaven on earth. Nice,

671
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: it's clean girls. The football program there and damn.

672
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: Jotty, you don't mentioned nice and clean and talk about girls,

673
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: and you ain't got.

674
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: The football yet.

675
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: At that point in time, I wasn't thinking about football,

676
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: shaying it. I'm trying to go have a good time

677
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: in college. I wanted to be like this mix of

678
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: like Entourage on HBO and like Blue Mountain State and

679
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: all these things I was watching at the time, And

680
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: what I was ingrained in was just like I'm a

681
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: party boy. I just happened to be good at football

682
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 2: a little bit at that time. You know, my grind

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: and focus and determination of the game didn't come in

684
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: until I got into trouble before my Heisman year at

685
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: A and M June of twenty twelve. It all kind

686
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: of came to a halt when I got arrested and

687
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: I got arrested for going out to Northgate and College

688
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: Station and drinking too much and blacking out and waking

689
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: up in handcuffs. And when that instance happened, it was

690
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: this meeting with coach someone and my mom and my dad,

691
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: and it was like you either figure this out to

692
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: day or over the next couple weeks, or your ass

693
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: is out of here. You're gone. And then everything you

694
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: work for your scholarship everything, you figure it out. Now,

695
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: as my family sits there in the room and someone's

696
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: looking at him just like we're looking at each other

697
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: right now, he's like, you guys, figure it out. And

698
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: when that happened, my family moved to College Station and

699
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: they moved in my backyard and I pretty much moved

700
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: back in with my mom and my dad. And that

701
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: was the moment that was like, all right, do you

702
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: hear what's going on. You're smart enough to comprehend this.

703
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: You may be fucking around with your boys and doing

704
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: what you think you want to do, but the opportunity

705
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: that's in front of you you are spoiling and you

706
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: need to get it together. And that's when George Webdfield

707
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: came into my life and I went. My mom sent

708
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: me to San Diego with all the money they probably

709
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: had saved up for their little saving stuff and sent

710
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: me out there to work with this guy, and they

711
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: trusted him. And when I came back, I left before

712
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: that trip and getting arrested fourth on the depth chart

713
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: below the freshman who came in below the two other

714
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: guys that were above me in the class. In eleven

715
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: days when I got back and we started training camp.

716
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: I was named the starter and handed the keys to

717
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: the Texas A and M University football team. That's how

718
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: much of a difference my focus and my passion and

719
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: my energy being put into something turned out to be.

720
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: If that situation you drinking to the point of blacking out,

721
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: do you remember anything about that night other than going

722
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: to the bar with Jahomies.

723
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I was taking Xanax back then, and it was a

724
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: very like weird time in my life when I was

725
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: dealing with anxiety and all these things and emotions that

726
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: were going on that I didn't have any business being

727
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: able to handle on my own. But from that country kid,

728
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: proud and tough and all these things that I prided myself.

729
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: I wasn't asking for help, Shannon. I didn't ask for

730
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: help when I was sitting in Cleveland, So why am

731
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: I gonna do it when I'm in college. So I

732
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: was a lost kid trying to figure out, Like you know,

733
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: after my first year at A and M, when I

734
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: red shirted at the end of that year, I said,

735
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: fuck this, I'm done playing football. I was finding out

736
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: how to transfer to TCU to play baseball. That's how

737
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: bad it was. After my red shirt year six and

738
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: six we're in the Big Twelve. I'm going to Ames,

739
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Iowa and all these like I ain't the stadium that

740
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to be playing in. And there's no disrespect

741
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: to them whatsoever. The Big Twelve is not the SEC.

742
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: And you see it now, only two of them schools

743
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve got into the SEC. Four If

744
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: you had Missouri and an m only four that whole

745
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: thing really got in. So there's a difference in program,

746
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: there's a difference in stature of dudes. Any team can

747
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: beat a team on given day, consistency of a program

748
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: and legacy, you know, there's only a couple of teams

749
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: that got into the SEC for a reason like that.

750
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Let's just say Johnny Manzield is a high school senior

751
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: now and Coach Prime is at SeeU and Coach Prime

752
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: comes sit, come down and talk to you, and Johnny said, look,

753
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Johnny man with you, I see big things for you

754
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: and the program, and we need you to take us

755
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: to the heights of where See You football can be.

756
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: Would you be interested in playing for Coach.

757
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: Prime without a doubt? Me and him being Texas guys,

758
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: you know he's up and prosper. We've had a great

759
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: relationship for years, and I think looking back on our

760
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: relationship now, he knew something special in me to the

761
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: point of where he, you know, would interjected my life

762
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: at times or send me a message or like really

763
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: show love that he didn't have to do. And if

764
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: I was a college kid looking now, I would say

765
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: Texas A and M is the best school in the country. Right,

766
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: that's a given. Number Two. I would play for a man,

767
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: for a guy who's a leader, a man, for a

768
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: guy who carries himself the way that the Prime does.

769
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: And without a doubt, I would sign my life. And

770
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: if sit looking at it from a different perspective, if

771
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: I was a father and my son was looking to

772
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: go to play for a coach, I would absolutely, without

773
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: a doubt, unequivocally send him to coach Prime.

774
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: You said you played baseball from a very young age

775
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: until you're about fourteen to fifteen. How good of a

776
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: baseball player was Johnny Manziel really good?

777
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: What was it you to play play shortstop? Okay? I

778
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: played middle m field and I loved it like it was.

779
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: It was it for me. I was a good OPO hitter,

780
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: like I felt like I fielded the ball all right,

781
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: you know I had a couple offers out there, and

782
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: I remember exactly what they were at the time because

783
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: football was so you know, overshadowing everything in my life.

784
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: But if you ask anybody that was around me from

785
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: the time I was twelve to sixteen, they would say

786
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: baseball was like they can play. You played.

787
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: You played a shortstop because you said Gita was your

788
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: favorite player. You wore the number two. So is that

789
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: kind of how you tried to model your game? You

790
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: do realize that like Gita was like Christine.

791
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: What's your game? Were talking about the one off the

792
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: field with the baskets and the love notes and everything

793
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: you had? Are we talking about that? We're talking about

794
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: el Capy did.

795
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: He did a great job of like you knew what

796
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: he was doing, but you didn't really know what he

797
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: was doing.

798
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: But always if you know, you know, you know.

799
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: So you modeled your get You modeled your game after Jeter,

800
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: so you you're like, Okay, I'm gonna be a shortstop.

801
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be beloved because they gave me the pen

802
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: stripes man that was on the pinstripes on a Yankee stadium.

803
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: The whole thing.

804
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 4: So how good would you call it? Your high school

805
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: baseball team?

806
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: School baseball team was pretty good. We had a kid

807
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: that was two years older than me by the name

808
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: of Logan Vic and he ended up committing to Baylor.

809
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: He was a all state kind of guy. Left the

810
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: crazy power when I played and got to varsity freshman

811
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: and sophomore year. He played shortstop, so they kind of

812
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: just plugged and played me wherever, and if he pitched,

813
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: I took his position. But we kind of played off

814
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: each other and kind of when I was in high school,

815
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: when I saw him how good he was. He was

816
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: better than me, and he did things on a baseball

817
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: field that I saw on He did that every day,

818
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: and he hit some bombs that took out light poles

819
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: and did the whole thing. He was that guy, And

820
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: when I saw him and where I was, I always

821
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: thought I ain't gonna be that. I really truly was

822
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: like he and I'm good, but I'm good, but I

823
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: ain't that. And I was here today and give you

824
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: the honest truth or what it is. So that was

825
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, you gotta go do all

826
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: of this just to get a fifty sixty percent of

827
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: your scholarship, pay for it, get me on a grid iron?

828
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: Right you were?

829
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I read you were selected by the Padres in the

830
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: twenty eighth round, the eight hundredth and thirty seventh pick

831
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. So why didn't you just you know,

832
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: you have to go, but you could have like, hey,

833
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: I signed. I mean, I've been pretty good on the resume, like, hey,

834
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Padres took.

835
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: Your boy after you know, but I ain't feel like

836
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: doing I played football.

837
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: Sounded like my dad. My dad stuff to this day

838
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: is like, are you gonna go back and maybe go

839
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: to Padres and play baseball or something. I'm like, Pops,

840
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: come on, man, pump those bags.

841
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: But see you look at Kyler. Kyler was what the

842
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: eighth pick in the draft? Why do you think guys

843
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guys choose football over baseball? Considering the

844
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: money that baseball players make? Show hate just got some

845
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: houndy Aaron Judge makes forty. We see what Mike Trout

846
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: what and it is guaranteed? Why do you think guys

847
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: choose guys that are really good and can play both

848
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: choose football over baseball.

849
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: Because it's ain't all that runs the world. I can

850
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: do the same with seven hundred as I can do

851
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: with fifty. That ain't it for me. I'm not motivated

852
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: by the money like that. So for me, it's about

853
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: the rush. For me, it's about the thrill, same thrill

854
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: I got walking into a nightclub or partying or this

855
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: or that. I've been a guy of thrills. And when

856
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: you meet me in that a gap, or you meet

857
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: me in a hole somewhere on a draw play and

858
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: I mix you up so bad you're in a pretzel.

859
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: Like that rush to me, people trying to come after

860
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: me and knock my head off, and being able to

861
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: get away and be slippery and do what I did

862
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: best in college. That's what made me feel alive. That's

863
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: what made me feel whole.

864
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: You graduated early in high school in rood in Texas City,

865
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Speaker 1: and why did you feel you needed Did you feel

866
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: you needed to do that or you were just trying

867
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: to get away from your hometown, Like man, I got

868
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Speaker 1: to get over.

869
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Speaker 2: As far as enrolling early, saw the greats doing it.

870
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: I saw the good quarterbacks in every class were getting

871
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: on campus early to figure it out. So I would

872
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: say it's fifty to fifty on if I just wanted

873
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: to get away from the fam and get my own

874
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: car and be in my own apartment. And I was

875
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: in a hurry to grow up, which is what a

876
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: lot of people do in life. And sitting back now,

877
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: I realized that you should enjoy your time from twelve

878
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: to your sixteen seventeen years old. And it's only getting

879
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: worse with nil and what's going on in the world.

880
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: People are treating thirteen fourteen year old kids like brands

881
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: and businesses. And you know, you see all these kids

882
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: or social media and they're trying to make money, like

883
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: the love of the game is not about that. And

884
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: now we're at the point where in college you're getting

885
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 2: exposure to millions and millions of dollars and it's taken

886
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: away the passion and the love for what it truly is.

887
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: If you would have handed me a million dollars in

888
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: my freshman year when I got to A and M,

889
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: you'd have seen some shit.

890
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 4: You might not have made your sound more year, Johnny.

891
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: I might not. I definitely wouldn't be sitting in New

892
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 2: York with that trophy. I would have seen some shit

893
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: for sure.

894
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: When you when you had your visit to Texas saying

895
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: them and you walking around on campus and they normally

896
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: have they pull out their best, you know, the best

897
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: ladies to show you a ride. They call them postes,

898
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: and to show you a ride, and you walking around

899
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: on campus and you look at it ride You're like, yeah,

900
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm coming early.

901
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: It's never about the girls for me back then, really

902
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: to the max, I've always been a guy that like

903
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: rides for my dogs, and I enjoy the time with

904
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: my bros and just drinking, you know, smoking or doing

905
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: whatever like that was always what it was for me.

906
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: So when I went on my visit Texts A and M,

907
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: they stuck me with two of the biggest party boys

908
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: on the whole team, and they showed me the time

909
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: of my life, to the point of where I'm in

910
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: the back of the uber and I'm I'm sick, like

911
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: I had too many shots. I am lit off my ass,

912
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: and I remember being in this uber and being like, man,

913
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: I gotta throw up. Cannot let these guys see any

914
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: sign of weakness. So I just remember being like, all right,

915
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see you boys later. I'll see you in

916
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Speaker 2: the morning. And I don't even make it to my room.

917
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: I don't even make it back to the room. You know,

918
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Speaker 2: my family were in these joined rooms at this hotel

919
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: and college station to Hilton. And they wake up the

920
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: next day and I'm just outside the door, just and

921
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: that to me. I woke up the next day. They're

922
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: kind of pushing me. I'm like success, I'm alive, I

923
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: am good. And I'm sitting going to meet Coach Sherman

924
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: at this taco place Fuego and I roll in by

925
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: ten minutes late and he looks at me and I'm

926
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: just white as a ghost. And Coach Sherman had been

927
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: with Brett Farv in Green Bay. He knew what he knew,

928
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: what was he knew what was up, and he was

929
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: so good that he was just like he knew he

930
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: knew when he put me with them, two dudes from

931
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Speaker 2: San Antonio who I looked up to, it was on

932
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: and he had me, I'm in the boat. I'm in

933
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: the boat.

934
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Speaker 1: When you go back and you mentioned your freshman year,

935
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: where did you think you red shirted?

936
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: What was it about that?

937
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Speaker 1: Was it not being able to play as much as

938
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: you thought you would? What transpired in Johnny's mind that

939
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Speaker 1: kind of lt him down the path of where he

940
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Speaker 1: was Withhted.

941
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Speaker 2: I just remember the first day, going out to that

942
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: first practice in the morning and you get like one rep.

943
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: Is that like young kid? He's there early. This is

944
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: spring practice, so you know, all the guys are getting

945
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: done with the season. Then you're in the spring and

946
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: I get that one rep and he's like come back,

947
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: and I'm like seven step drop and I let this

948
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: ball go, Channon, and it might have hit the top

949
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: of the endoor this thing. And I remember coach Sherman

950
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: had his place sheet and he threw it down and

951
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: he goes, the fuck was that. I'm nervous these ball Tannehill,

952
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: like these balls aired up like rock hard. I need

953
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: that Brady Look cushion for the fuses. And that my confidence. Man.

954
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: I went from mister mister football at Texas to getting

955
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: in here and being like, I don't throw it like

956
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: Jamille Showers does. The guy who is behind Tannehill, I

957
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: don't throw it like him. That ball don't come out

958
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: and they don't come out like that with me. So

959
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: then you start to see and you're comparing yourself to

960
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: other people. And as that year went on, you know,

961
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: being the bottom of the barrel guy, you know, being

962
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: the guy that is getting ragged on by the seniors

963
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: and this, and I'm traveling like I'm quiet. I don't

964
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: talk much. I kind of stay in my lane. I

965
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: don't ask questions. I ain't trying to better myself at

966
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: that point, I'm just losing confidence week by week and

967
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 2: just kind of like getting to the point where I'm

968
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: like lost. Is football what I really like? That question

969
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: was in my life from that point on.

970
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Wow, So from that point on, you always question whether

971
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: it the importance of football or ability. I was about

972
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: to take is Johnny does he possess the ability to

973
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: be what many believe he could be?

974
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: So you had self doubt. I had self doubt for sure.

975
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: I had self doubt and I didn't get self assurance

976
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: of myself and what I was as a football player

977
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: until Cliff Kingsbury walked in my life. And a funny

978
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: story about Cliff Kingsbury that I tell to everybody. We've

979
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: been locked in like this since the first day I

980
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: ever met him. Kurveville, Texas is forty miles an hour,

981
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, away from San Antonio, So Cliff Kingsbury's at

982
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 2: the University of Houston. Would coach someone has case Keenum

983
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: there obviously another real Texas high school football legend, and

984
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: seven o'clock our practice starts in Kerville. We ran a

985
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: very military drill style of football program values, and a

986
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: lot of what we talk about at Texas A and

987
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: M was how my high school football program was. So

988
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: Kingsbury comes out in the field that first morning and

989
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to warm up and he comes up

990
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: to me and he dabs me up and he goes,

991
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: what's up, bro, I just want to keep it a

992
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: buck with you. I don't have any scholarships to give you,

993
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: but every single coach that I walk into a building

994
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: in San Antonio, Texas said you need to get your

995
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: ass in the car and come down here and watch

996
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: this kid practice. So he goes, That's exactly what I'm doing.

997
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: And I just want to let you know I'm here

998
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: to watch you ball out for a practice and one

999
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: day our past will cross again, and I'm nervous. This

1000
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: is if Kingsbury played at Texas Tech. This is another

1001
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: legend in mine. Yeah, I have a lot of real guy.

1002
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: He wouldn't know whatever you want to say, but he

1003
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: was him at one point in time, and I didn't

1004
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: know the significance of what that talk is a high

1005
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: school kid was going to lead to being on a

1006
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: stage in New York four years later, three years later.

1007
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: But he kept it real with me like that. I

1008
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: was like, yo, I can't take you. I'm here to

1009
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: watch you ball. Wow. And after that meet and after

1010
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: the day of the workout, he's just sitting over there

1011
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: on the side and he just gives me one of

1012
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: these like you crush that.

1013
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: If you would have set out your entire season of

1014
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: the freshman, do you think you would have learned your lesson?

1015
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Ooh No. I think it took me having the biggest

1016
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: fear of my entire life. Failure come to fruition, and

1017
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: failure wouldn't have happened for me if I didn't get

1018
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: to the success that I got. Does that make sense? Yes?

1019
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: Do you think they would have disciplined you? I think

1020
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: they could have.

1021
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: I think what I was doing in the off season

1022
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: and what I was doing in my workouts and who

1023
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: I was as a team leader coming back with the

1024
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Heisman trophy, they should have been me. They should have

1025
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: suspended me. I was doing, Hey, you can't smoke weed, big,

1026
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: give me the fan of, Give me the fan of

1027
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: what you got to talk about It's about a box

1028
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: of white out white graves, swinging and slowing down. Nothing

1029
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: over here. This is what we're doing and like from that, Okay,

1030
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: so you win the Heisman. Yeah, we come back, we

1031
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: play Oklahoma and the Cotton Bowl smashing smack. Okay, after that,

1032
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: that night after the game is the infamous Sparklers in

1033
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: the mouth with the dom and the Burberry scars. Right

1034
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: after this is where like it starts, and it's like

1035
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: we just smacked our old rival in the Big twelve

1036
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: and Jerry World in front of one hundred and five

1037
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: on New Year's Day. This is where the ego, this

1038
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: is where the you know, this is where you shift

1039
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: from you know, Johnny Manziel and the Johnny football, the

1040
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: little transition, and then from there it's mister, it's Johnny Football. Yeah.

1041
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: And now there's no more self doubt. Now there's no

1042
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: more self doubt because I know what I'm doing in practice.

1043
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing when I see cover two

1044
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: and I'm the whole shot. I'm toying with them in practice,

1045
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: they're mad. They I mean, the only thing they have

1046
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: on me in practice and the setting that I'm seeing

1047
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: the live rep bullets fire is. They can't tell when

1048
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: a sack happens in practice because we ain't sacking people right.

1049
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: And you know in a game, you know practice, I'm

1050
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: running and give somebody a little move and I'm just

1051
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: looking at him like I ain't no way You're making

1052
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: that tackle on the field, buddy. You can hop and

1053
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: hoop around and do your whole defensive thing all you want.

1054
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: And you know out there under them lights, no, Ja,

1055
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna happen. Brother, it ain't. It's not gonna happen, right,

1056
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: And that's not me speaking out of my ass. I

1057
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: got the film, right, I got stuff to show you that,

1058
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: like I was more than what you thought I was,

1059
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: especially as a running quarterback. Joc fourteen hundred yards rushing

1060
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: in my freshman years documented.

1061
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: The first fireshman in NCA history to pass for three

1062
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: thousand yards and carry and rush four thousand yards, and

1063
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: the same season the first player to pass for three

1064
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards of rush four hundred yards in the same

1065
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: game three times. Broke Archie Manning's forty three old record

1066
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: for five hundred and toty yards excepn of a total

1067
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: offense with five seventy six owns all these freshman's record

1068
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: eleven and two ranked number five best since nineteen fifty six,

1069
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: beat Oklahoma forty one thirteen in the Cotton Bowl, produced

1070
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixteen yards of offense four touchdowns, with

1071
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: the record two hundred and twenty nine yards rushing.

1072
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: When you look, when you do, you understand at the

1073
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 4: time what you're actually doing.

1074
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: When the ESPN Heisman list came out about a week

1075
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: eight nine, that's when I started to kind of see,

1076
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: like whoa, because this is, you know, my life growing

1077
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: up my boys was NCAA football, the video game, the

1078
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: road to glory, the road to the Heisman, creating a

1079
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: player and being able to go do these things, pick

1080
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: your school, go to the you know, to all of that.

1081
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: And now I'm living in right, so the focus doesn't

1082
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: shift to like getting the Heisman and just focuses on

1083
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: like taking this team the heights that we haven't been before,

1084
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: and when you walk into Tuscaloosa, Alabama and do what

1085
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: happened that day, something that leaves a legacy twenty twelve.

1086
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: It's twenty twelve years later where I walk down the

1087
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: street every day in my life and somebody comes up

1088
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: and dips me up and goes fifteen and a half

1089
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: when underdogs Alabama. Will never forget that day for the

1090
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: rest of my life. That's what kind of impact that

1091
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 2: day had on college football. And I hear it every day,

1092
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: see it every day.

1093
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: You see Alabama on the schedule and you're on the

1094
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: his on watch list. You mentioned your fifteen point underdogs,

1095
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: and you understand what Alabama is. That's coach saban. You

1096
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: know the dogs that he has on that roster. You

1097
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: know the dogs that he sends to the NFL every

1098
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: year multiple what's going through your mind? Do you ever think, man,

1099
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: if I can go to Alabama, if I can go

1100
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: to Tuscaloosa and beat Bama.

1101
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 4: Ooh, they got to to take notice.

1102
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 2: Can't think like that. Can't think like that and be

1103
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 2: successful because you're putting pressure on yourself that's unneeded. Okay,

1104
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: I got ninety five percent of the country the saying

1105
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: Alabama's gonna beat us. What do we have to lose? Right?

1106
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: I remember being on the bus on the way of

1107
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: the game and putting on the movie three hundred. This

1108
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: part comes on where it's give to them nothing but

1109
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: take from them every single thing, everything, And that was

1110
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: my mindset going into the game that like everybody in

1111
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: the stadium expects you to lose. Everybody in the state

1112
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: is rooting against you. We got maybe twenty thirty thousand

1113
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: loyal Aggies scattered through about in the stands. We already

1114
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: lost two games that year, Right, what's the third gonna do?

1115
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: You know? We're out of the SEC title, We're out

1116
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: of you know, the national championship conversation. Let's just try

1117
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: and go ball. And Cliff Kingsbury put together an unbelievable

1118
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: game plan for us offensively that highlighted our strengths, that

1119
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: kept us from being too vulnerable in a defense like that.

1120
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: And for the first half of that game, they don't

1121
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: know what the fuck is going on. We're running option

1122
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: with go routes and all we are just unleashing the

1123
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury like creativeness of a football playbook for an

1124
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: air raid. You know, this wasn't old Mike Leech air raid.

1125
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: This wasn't anything that Lincoln was doing wherever. This was

1126
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: just its own subtle thing or own you know, a

1127
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: particular thing. Right that was Taylor to me being able

1128
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: to run the ball the way that I could, as

1129
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: well as having an unbelievable like offensive line to be

1130
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: able to handle what they were throwing to us. Luke Jokl,

1131
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: Jake Matthews, Cedric a boy. These are all first round

1132
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: picks in the NFL and some really really solid players, right.

1133
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I forgot you guys had that kind of offensive line. Yeah,

1134
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: so that's why they were able to hold up. Jokal

1135
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: was the number two pick in the draft. I think

1136
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Jake Matthews with a top ten pick in the draft.

1137
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: You guys were loaded. Mike Evans Swoops was very underrated.

1138
00:57:54,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: Mike Evans and that's somebody that man, What a brother

1139
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: to me. Man, It makes me even emotionally even think

1140
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: about it. We got to come in at the same

1141
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: time in red shirt and that red Shirt year, we

1142
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 2: were tearing their ass up on the set so much

1143
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: that I went to my locker one day later in

1144
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: the year and they took my red jersey so they

1145
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: couldn't hit me, and they put a black jersey on

1146
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: me to be able to smack me in practice. Because

1147
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: me and Mike were doing our thing we were doing.

1148
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: We were starting that recipe of that pot. We were

1149
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: starting to cook. And then as that year goes on,

1150
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: that red shirt freshman year that we played together. You

1151
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: start to see a kid who's like a man amongst

1152
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: boys out there and like really six ' five with

1153
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: that frame, like he was always what he was, but

1154
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: that confidence that started to grow in him. Me and

1155
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: him had this telepathy same way you probably had with

1156
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: a quarterback back in the day, where it's just like

1157
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: that was a route right quick, easy. He knew everything,

1158
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: and me and him had that relationship that was like

1159
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: actual special and it will never be taken from us. You know,

1160
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 2: I can sit here and talk to him and still

1161
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: do the same signals. It's twelve years later. I can

1162
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: throw a peace sign. He's gonna go to the crib

1163
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: is what that means every time. So you know, to

1164
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: have a special bomb with somebody like that, that kid,

1165
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: that guy, that man means means the fucking world to me.

1166
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: When Alabama started to come back, you looked at reporter,

1167
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: you said, f Alabama el saving and that you were

1168
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: going to score. Why were you so confident? Why because

1169
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 1: the crowd, the crowd had gotten back in it. They're going, hey,

1170
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: wire defense, just a freshmen. Why were you so confident

1171
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: that you were going to get this football? And you

1172
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: were going to go down and field the score.

1173
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the first you know half of that game,

1174
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: you know, first quarter, were up twenty to nothing. So

1175
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: that stadium you can hear a pin drop. And Tuscaloosa

1176
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: doesn't get like that very much, if ever. I mean

1177
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: you can count on both your hands how many times

1178
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: they've lost since twenty ten for the most part. Yes,

1179
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: so confidence in what we were doing. You know, we

1180
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: lost our first game of the year to Florida, cool,

1181
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: first game of the year. Whatever. Then we get up

1182
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: on LSU and we end up blowing that game where

1183
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: I feel like we really should have won. That was

1184
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: our turning point in the season. After that, we started

1185
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: to get together and come together that we didn't want

1186
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: to be, you know, the weak link of this team.

1187
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: We needed that offense and who we had to be

1188
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: the catalyst to be the center point of that team.

1189
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: And we needed our defense just to kind of hold on.

1190
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: So as much as the Tuscaloosa in the Alabama game

1191
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: is about me and the offense, it's not the way

1192
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: I look at it. Our defense got multiple stops, got

1193
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: to pick late on like the last drive is there

1194
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: on the eight yard line to go in and take

1195
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: the lead. That changes things. We get a pick, we

1196
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: get the ball out, and then there's fifty seconds left

1197
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: in the game. We are on like third and seven.

1198
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Saban has a time out, we run a run play,

1199
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: we get like four. We're backed up on our own twenty.

1200
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: So it's punt time. Now we're gonna punt it to

1201
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: who I mean, could have been I could have been

1202
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper, whoever they have back. There was a menace

1203
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: and we had put this play in a whole week

1204
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: of a special teams punt scenario where we go on

1205
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: the hard count. It's third and four, we go hard count,

1206
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: they jump, we touch them, first down, light drop. So

1207
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: you have your offense. What we did in the first half,

1208
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: we scored twenty in the first quarter. We only scored

1209
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: nine the rest of the game. We're hanging on for

1210
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: dear life. You know the plays that we made on

1211
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: that one score drive. The six points we scored the

1212
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 2: second half was off a turnover, wheel route down the sideline,

1213
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: dime corner route, next play, dime two plays touchdown, like

1214
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: very opportunistic and going with the flow of the game.

1215
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: And then you seal the game with the special teams play.

1216
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: So you got offense, defense, special teams. We walk in

1217
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: another locker room in Tuscaloosa and we burned that thing down.

1218
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: Total team win, total completely, without a doubt, total team win.

1219
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: If they have the college Football Playoff in twenty eleven,

1220
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: you got have to and A and M gets it.

1221
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 4: Do you believe y'all win the national championship?

1222
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: We gotta play Bama again? Probably, So that's another like

1223
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: knock it out. I think we have a very good chance.

1224
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: I think we got better. And even from the Tuscaloosa game,

1225
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: the Alabama game up until the Cotton Bowl. The Cotton

1226
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: Bowl is our best showing of the entire year.

1227
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, y'all put it together, man, and we.

1228
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: Did, and that's just where are like. That was the

1229
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: pinnacle of what our team was that year, and we

1230
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: showed it at the last game on the biggest stage.

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Speaker 1: price guaranteed. Obviously you wasn't the Hoysman, but you go

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Speaker 1: to New York for the Heisman ceremony and you're up

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1252
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Speaker 4: Did you guys, did you guys talk to anything about that? So?

1254
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Speaker 2: How was he during that time? Amazing? And his parents

1255
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: and family the way they were with my family. You know,

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01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,120
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1258
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: So it was a very you know, we were close

1259
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: throughout that week. Right, I thought his family was amazing.

1260
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: I thought Manti was amazing. You know, I didn't know

1261
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,560
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1262
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: And you know, during those times we even played against

1263
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: each other when I was in Cleveland and he was

1264
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: in San Diego. I think, so we always had a

1265
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: good relationship. You know, I always respected him for you know,

1266
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: what he stood for and who he was as a

1267
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Speaker 2: person and who his family was.

1268
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Speaker 1: Right, I'm going back and up looking at guys that

1269
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: have won the Heisman from the SEC. You look at

1270
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Kyler, Murray Baker Mayfield.

1271
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: You were the first freshman to ever win it, and

1272
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: you accumulated the SEC record, then forty six yards are

1273
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: total lock, piz, Where would you put yourself if we're

1274
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: having If we're having a college and I'm not go

1275
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: to the NFL because obviously the guys with the prototypical size,

1276
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: But where would you think Johnny manziel See Heisman Trophy

1277
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: season would rank among those guys behind Burroughs, behind Burrow,

1278
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: but in front of camp, no what about.

1279
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: I would say for me, in my opinion, Joe Burrow's

1280
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: is probably the best Heisman season to ever happened. And

1281
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: that's just like, look at the numbers if it's not

1282
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: even a comparison, and the swagger and what he did

1283
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: it with, and I think it's I think it's a

1284
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: no brainer. I think, yeah, I agree him and Barry

1285
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: somewhere up there at the top stand alone type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Cam for me is of cultural importance, and you know,

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Speaker 2: coming in from Blynn Junior College and going to Auburn,

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Speaker 2: I remember that, and then they played the team organ

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Speaker 2: that I was committed to at the time. So it

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Speaker 2: leaves an impact and the memory on me. And I

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Speaker 2: love Cam Newton to the max, love what he stands for,

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Speaker 2: love what he what he's about, Love him to death

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Speaker 2: and always have. He knows that, And so I think,

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Speaker 2: you go, Joe Burrow, I think you know Cam, and

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Speaker 2: then I'm right below that, and I respect Baker's and

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Speaker 2: Kyler's and you can nitpick all this all you want,

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Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, it's all about

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Speaker 2: getting to that stage in New York and getting that trophy,

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Speaker 2: right now you're splitting hairs on who's greater than who,

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Speaker 2: and all collectively as a whole, we're fucking badass, right.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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Speaker 1: simply go back to club Shashay profile and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you there.