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Speaker 1: Happy Saturday, everybody. Our network has another new podcast that

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Speaker 1: might appeal to our listeners. It is Food three sixty

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Speaker 1: with Mark Murphy, which combines history and food culture and

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Speaker 1: food science to take a really comprehensive look at the

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Speaker 1: way we eat and to go along with that theme

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Speaker 1: and the start of summer, today's classic returns to our

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Speaker 1: story of good humor versus popsicle and all the twists

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Speaker 1: and turns of the rivalry between those two frozen treats.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned at the end of the show for a

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Speaker 1: peek into Food three sixty. Welcome to Stuff You Missed

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Speaker 1: in History Class, a production of I Heart Radios How

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Trading

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Speaker 1: WI and I'm Holly Frying. So I researched this episode

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the summer, in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a week plus of five temperatures above ninety degrees which, yes,

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Speaker 1: I know that is not terribly hot everywhere. Please do

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Speaker 1: not email us with weather one upmanship emailing us in

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Speaker 1: solidarity about how you are also hot. It's fine, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks to various aspects of my apartment, ninety degrees outside

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Speaker 1: is really unbearably hot inside, and I've also done a

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Speaker 1: run of researching very dour episodes lately, so I Wish

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Speaker 1: it were colder has combined with I wish these episodes

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Speaker 1: weren't so devastating to form today's subject, which is about

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Speaker 1: the time that Popsicle and Good Humor could not stop

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Speaker 1: suing one another about who got to make which frozen

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Speaker 1: not wish it was colder. Universe, don't listen to treacy.

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Speaker 1: But first we are going to start with the charming

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Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about popsicles. So keep in

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Speaker 1: mind frozen trees themselves have been around a lot longer

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Speaker 1: the history of ice cream if you want those details.

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Speaker 1: To add to that, a lot of origin stories of

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Speaker 1: basics are in five Frank Epperson mixed soda powder and

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Speaker 1: Frank ate this frozen soda water on a stick and

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Speaker 1: more than a lemonade stand asque cobby until Everson was

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Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty two, he made some of his frozen

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Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty three, Eperson teamed up with employees of

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Speaker 1: His invention, according to the patent, improved on other frozen

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Speaker 1: So Joel thought he could combine his existing business network

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Speaker 1: Burt also made uniform molds and recipe standards so that

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Speaker 1: So the popsicle starts with liquid in a test tube,

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Speaker 1: similarities in these two patents. Both the Good Humor and

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Speaker 1: new podcast, Food three sixty will take an all encompassing

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Speaker 1: restaurants are like nucular particles. After five years, they start

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Speaker 1: Being a restaurant worker, being a chef is the biggest

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Speaker 1: I'm able to separate, for the most part, my personal

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Speaker 1: think a lot of it also comes from the chef's intention.

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Speaker 1: The most important thing for me is not my writing ego.

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