WEBVTT - Stopping Cop City with Elliot Connie

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's up. Family. It's your girl to mek A D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory, and it's your boy my son a general.

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<v Speaker 3>And we are your host of street politicians, the place

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<v Speaker 3>in the streets and politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Me what's going on, mister Lennon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blessing Holly favored, humble, blesseding Holly favored.

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<v Speaker 3>That is me today, that is you today. You seem

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<v Speaker 3>like you're awake today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very well awake. You know. I've been drinking my vitamins,

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<v Speaker 2>drinking my water, and mine of my business. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my birthday, I'm trying to stay healthy. Birthday just passed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just trying to stay healthy, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting getting LOLd.

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<v Speaker 1>In that it was your birthday. Happy birthday, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. How old are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am forty seven years of age?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Forty seven? Forty seven. It's funny because the years

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<v Speaker 1>just go by.

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<v Speaker 3>Time is passing, and it's going fast, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what was it ten even years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we weren't this old. Let's just put it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>It was thirty something, and here we are now you're

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<v Speaker 3>forty seven. I'm about to turn forty three. Yeah, forty three.

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<v Speaker 3>After a while, you really don't even remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to do that. I thought they was bullshitting, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you missed you a year two every now.

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<v Speaker 3>And then and I can't. I can't always remember my

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<v Speaker 3>child's age. I'll be having to call him like, are

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<v Speaker 3>you twenty three or twenty four?

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<v Speaker 1>He's twenty four. I bet you who's age?

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<v Speaker 2>I do know?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's my green baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you do. No, hege, you ain't gonna never

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<v Speaker 2>forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's seven months and she'll be eight months as of

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<v Speaker 3>June sixth, two days before my birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>My little my little g pops baby boy is moving

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<v Speaker 2>up on two, you know, saying his birthday was in March.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's going on to three. No, the two, No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be three.

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<v Speaker 3>What about what happens he's gonna be three.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be tree if your gonna be tree exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Period three.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, anyway, I just want to ask this one question.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it just sports?

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<v Speaker 1>Is all year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap sports?

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<v Speaker 3>And why they have they have fights and games NBA

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<v Speaker 3>playoff games the same time. I mean, it's just it

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<v Speaker 3>seems to be extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, the playoffs been heating up. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of upsets Lebron and it's looking like he's

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<v Speaker 2>about to go fishing, as they say, and that means

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<v Speaker 2>you're about to lose. So you go home and you

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<v Speaker 2>go fishing. You on vacation, so you can go fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>You can go on anything you want to do. But

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<v Speaker 2>you out of the you out of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks like you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so yeah, no, he kids, he wants, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to cement his legacy. He wanted he put

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<v Speaker 2>together a team that he felt was gonna be able

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<v Speaker 2>to win a championship this year and barring a miracle,

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<v Speaker 2>which has never happened in NBA history, no team has

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<v Speaker 2>ever come back from being down three zero two win

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<v Speaker 2>a championship, so barring America.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's not playing light skin?

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<v Speaker 2>Who what? Who's light skin? What do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry?

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<v Speaker 2>No, they beat Steph Curry. They beat Steph.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my son, seem Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 2>They got they got rid of Stephan them. Now it's Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another light skin dude, Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray's out

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<v Speaker 2>there killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see him, I see him on the end

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<v Speaker 1>so he out.

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<v Speaker 2>There putting a lot work in so they didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>past that lif skin one light skined. W is a

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<v Speaker 2>vengein the other light skinning?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, girls, the girls called Steph Curry light skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, light skin did it? He light skinned it? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they's looking it's it's not looking too good

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<v Speaker 2>for them. The Boss and Celtics, who was another favorite

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<v Speaker 2>to either win the championships, not looking too favorable for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Miami a minute, So it's not down to the final

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<v Speaker 3>two teams yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Man still fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot, you know, but what was more, it

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<v Speaker 2>was more of point of emphasis. This weekend this Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>was the fight you know between Devin eighty and Vasilli

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<v Speaker 2>Loman Checko.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you probably not into them.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot they were fighting for the unified titles

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend and a lot of people feel, me being

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, that Loman Checko was was jerk. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the fight, and I've been watching fight for

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life, and I know, you know, when or

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<v Speaker 2>fighter wins and losers, and the majority consensus h even

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<v Speaker 2>people who are Devin Haney fans I'm not so much

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<v Speaker 2>not a fan of his. I haven't seen many of

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<v Speaker 2>his fights, have seen a couple of them, but even

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<v Speaker 2>his own fans and people who betted on him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are saying that he didn't win that fight. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the fight twelve rounds, and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>round to me. And this is me being a just suspectator.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no round to me, not one round where

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<v Speaker 2>I looked and said that Devin Haney clearly won a round.

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<v Speaker 2>There's certain things they look for. They look for, who's

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<v Speaker 2>the aggressor in the fight, right, who's landing the moves shots,

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<v Speaker 2>who looks like the other person's punches are hurting them? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Those are those are like probably the three main things

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<v Speaker 2>you look And when I looked at the numbers of

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<v Speaker 2>each round, they pretty much were hitting each other the

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<v Speaker 2>same amount of times, and I guess they will buy

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Haney was doing a lot of body shots, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I never really see Loman check or hurt by

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<v Speaker 2>any of those body shots. He was connecting with the

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<v Speaker 2>body shots, but I never seen Loman check or any

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the aggressive usually when you he's a

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<v Speaker 2>smaller guy and he's not usually that aggress He usually

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<v Speaker 2>lets the fight come to him. But in this fight,

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<v Speaker 2>he was hawking him down and he was throwing punches

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<v Speaker 2>and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was you feel like the other guy thought harder or better? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he didna win.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt Loman check on one. I felt Lemon checko

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<v Speaker 2>for harder. You know, usually he's a slow starter in

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<v Speaker 2>his fights. He comes out one of two rounds, three rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't. He's not aggressive, you know, he just sees

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening and he takes two or three rounds off.

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<v Speaker 2>This fight, he didn't do that. For round one, he

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<v Speaker 2>was throwing punches, he was aggressive, you know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>throwing flurries, he was doing a lot of stuff that normally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as he got later in his career, that

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<v Speaker 2>he stopped doing. And you know, and then it was

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<v Speaker 2>about two rounds where he completely dominated to where one

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<v Speaker 2>of the rounds he it looked like he could have

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<v Speaker 2>knocked Devin Heenyuh, Devin Hainey didn't even look like he

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<v Speaker 2>was still there, you know. And then you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the last round, I still felt he was dominating

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<v Speaker 2>that last round. Some people you could have went either way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just trying to say, for the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>the fight, it looked like Lomancheko was the aggressive fights.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there were two to three rounds where I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like he completely dominated those rounds and I never

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<v Speaker 2>seen no round where Haini was completely dominated. It could

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<v Speaker 2>have went either way in any of those rounds. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at best it could have been a draw.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they could have said, look, we're gonna draw

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<v Speaker 2>this fight, We're gonna rank this fight a draw. But

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Handy, there were there put a lot of all

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<v Speaker 2>getting back and forth on line about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on line.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the gym today in my boxing gym,

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<v Speaker 3>and my god, it was loud. Everybody was going back

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<v Speaker 3>and forth and there was only like two people who

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<v Speaker 3>were like, nah, y'all are bugging. He did win, it

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<v Speaker 3>was fair and square. But for the most part, there

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<v Speaker 3>was like a resounding cry out from all of these

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<v Speaker 3>different men that know, you know, he didn't win. It

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<v Speaker 3>was stage. It was this it's about money, da dah dah.

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<v Speaker 3>So my gym was a pretty much with you. I

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<v Speaker 3>go to a gym that is not like there are

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<v Speaker 3>other boxing gyms that I've heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, one of our friends, uh In fact.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, well, we won't put people's business in the streets,

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<v Speaker 3>so folks can't find people on their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>But so when we know they they.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a family member who works in like one of

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<v Speaker 3>those pretty gyms, and you know, and I see him

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, I'm like, wow, I should be in

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<v Speaker 3>these types of gyms. I go to a gym that

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<v Speaker 3>is not pretty. It is for men. It smells like men,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like men, it acts like men. It's men

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<v Speaker 3>all men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. Actually, yes, it should work out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a it's a legacy gym. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not putting your business people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the person whose gym it is is a boxer, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for the title, he's he's a well renowned, well loved boxer.

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<v Speaker 2>So it comes from that essence of the streets. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my gym survived from forty one, you know where in

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Vernon. Shout out to my brother. It's a dope gym.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also you know, so it's so many different gyms

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<v Speaker 2>you could go to, you know that that have different

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<v Speaker 2>essences that the essence in our gym is still it

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<v Speaker 2>still has that from the mud, but it's you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as grindy, but I've been to your gym

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<v Speaker 2>and it's grindy, like I've shot videos and never And

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<v Speaker 2>I love it though, because it gives you that it

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me of Rocky by Ball when he was training.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if you go watch Rocky now, go watch

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<v Speaker 2>Rocky now and then watch your gym and then you

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<v Speaker 2>be like it gives you a more of a feel

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<v Speaker 2>and love for what Rocky was doing when he was trained.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny you say that because first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>all the those people are on the walls. There's so

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<v Speaker 3>much history there, and there's so many older men that's

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<v Speaker 3>sitting around and there training people without even standing up,

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<v Speaker 3>just like sitting on this, I mean all men and

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<v Speaker 3>they sitting on the side like that ain't nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let me see this and that and the third.

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<v Speaker 3>And these guys are quick on their feet, like they

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<v Speaker 3>really are at it without them even touching them at all.

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<v Speaker 3>They training, So I know that it's a real professional atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a lot of people that are out there boxing.

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<v Speaker 3>My trainer is the bomb. He's the bomb, he really

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<v Speaker 3>really is. And all the kids love him. Everybody's parents

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<v Speaker 3>has their kids going to my training. So anyway, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a great experience. I love I love my boxing. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean right now, I physically hurt so bad. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>even move my arms because one of the things I

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<v Speaker 3>realize is that when you have a crazy work schedule,

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<v Speaker 3>you still have to find some kind of way to

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<v Speaker 3>stretch and work out your body, because if you wait

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<v Speaker 3>in and go back, it's just like you start all

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<v Speaker 3>over again from the beginning, and it's harmor So let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the news. We're still observing Mental Health Awareness Month,

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<v Speaker 3>the month of May's going on right now, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we have a guest coming up that's going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to us more about mental health. We've been talking to

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<v Speaker 3>some great mental health experts and we'll have one today.

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<v Speaker 1>But for our news stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and by the way, I just want to celebrate

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<v Speaker 3>all the graduates, because you know, we talk about you know, winning,

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<v Speaker 3>losing or whatever, and through a pandemic, through so many

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<v Speaker 3>different things that people are dealing with. It's a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a depression, it's a recession. It's murder's murder, death,

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<v Speaker 3>kill constantly, something happening. Politics are terrible, Everything is going on,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet these students. Many students are still fighting through

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<v Speaker 3>and they're graduating, getting high school diplomas, getting degrees, going

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<v Speaker 3>to college, nursing schools, this and that, and so shout

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<v Speaker 3>out to all the graduates that are out there. I

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<v Speaker 3>see prom pictures from celebrities their children. Diddy's daughter Chance

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<v Speaker 3>going to the prom. I think Lebron's son going to

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<v Speaker 3>the prom. Like that's what it's all about. That and

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<v Speaker 3>those types of things. Let us know it's not all

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<v Speaker 3>bad everything that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also people accomplishing goals.

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<v Speaker 2>Y're definitely shout out to all the graduates, all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all the graduates. Let's talk real quick about Cop City.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we need to kind of get into that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a whole other topic that I want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 3>Panini America, which is a campaign that Until Freedom and

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<v Speaker 3>Black Church Pack are working on together, but it takes

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<v Speaker 3>more time to sort of lay it out. I would

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<v Speaker 3>like to talk about Cop City, though, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that even though next week is still Mental Health Awareness Month,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that we should take some time to have

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<v Speaker 3>on the show some of the folks who are on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground in Atlanta fighting this fight against Cop City.

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<v Speaker 1>So for many people.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen Atlanta, Atlanta, all the Atlanta residents who are followers

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<v Speaker 3>of street politicians or followers.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my son or me or and me, we need

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<v Speaker 1>you to listen to this. There is a huge, big, big, big, big.

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<v Speaker 3>Big problem in Atlanta, and we need you to tune

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<v Speaker 3>in and listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>Next week we will have more of the on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground grassroots activists Queen Jainastah and others to come and

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<v Speaker 3>talk to us about what's happening. But in short, there

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<v Speaker 3>is something happening in Atlanta where a small part of

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<v Speaker 3>Decab County is being built into Cop City. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>name of it, Cop City. So it is a place

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<v Speaker 3>where so many hundreds of millions of dollars are gone.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's like three hundred million dollars us going

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<v Speaker 3>into building this place where cops live, where there's training facilities,

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<v Speaker 3>and and cops from all over the country will go

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<v Speaker 3>to this particular training site so that they can you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them live there, some of them stayed there

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<v Speaker 3>during the time while they are being trained. The resources

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<v Speaker 3>that will be poured into this particular area are extra

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, big numbers, millions, hundreds, of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars are going into building something called cop City. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>we could sit here in debate all day about why

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<v Speaker 3>we don't even think that cop city and additional training

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<v Speaker 3>is necessary because cops are already being trained at the

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<v Speaker 3>highest levels of training. They are receiving more money. The

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<v Speaker 3>budgets for law enforcement and policing across this country is

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<v Speaker 3>completely imbalance to all the other things. It's Mental health

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<v Speaker 3>Awareness month, and you should find out from your elected

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<v Speaker 3>officials how much money are they spending, how much money

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<v Speaker 3>is allocated towards mental health support versus.

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<v Speaker 1>What the police get.

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<v Speaker 3>In these local municipalities around the country, the militarization of

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<v Speaker 3>police officers is problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not seem that the training that has been.

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<v Speaker 3>Put forth is working because in our communities still our

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<v Speaker 3>people are dying. There is still a disconnect between the

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with police and community.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we won't.

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<v Speaker 3>Argue that because there's some people who are probably like nah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can kind of see why maybe this facility is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna help them. They're gonna get better training and is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be more about our communities and maybe this

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<v Speaker 3>is what we need, is a place where you know

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<v Speaker 3>they're in one environment where they could come in and

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<v Speaker 3>it's real, rigorous training and support for police officers. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>this is the answer. I've heard people say that. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you why it's not. Because the training

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be done. It will be conducted by

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<v Speaker 3>a group called the IDF, which is the Israel Defense Forces.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that is the military that is currently in place

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel that has helped to displace the people of Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't take my word for it. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>you to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go and do your research and look at how the

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<v Speaker 3>idea kills Palestinians on a regular basis so that they

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<v Speaker 3>can steal the land of the Palestinian people. Now, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a hot topic. A lot of people don't like

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<v Speaker 3>to get into it because as soon as you start

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<v Speaker 3>to say it, there are some people within the Jewish

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<v Speaker 3>community and some conservative Jews who will say that you

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<v Speaker 3>are anti Semitic just because you dare to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>the Palestinian people struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>That anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely exists and we stand against it. However, speaking

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<v Speaker 3>about what is happening with the Idea and the military

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<v Speaker 3>force that is on the ground displacing people from their original.

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<v Speaker 1>Land is not being anti Semitic. It is the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the group of individuals that are responsible for

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<v Speaker 3>training people at cop City are people who in Israel

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<v Speaker 3>kill children, women, okay, families every single day and they

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<v Speaker 3>guard communities that allows the is rallies to walk the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw with our own eyes the Israelis can walk

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<v Speaker 3>the streets certain areas and the Palestinian people cannot. And

0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:15.040
<v Speaker 3>it is the idea that maintains the control for those

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<v Speaker 3>individuals that are free in Palestine or Israel, and the

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<v Speaker 3>others do not have their freedom. So this is a

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<v Speaker 3>very serious thing because basically what it maybe if the

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<v Speaker 3>training was being conducted by something else I don't even

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<v Speaker 3>know what it's called or whatever, I can sit here

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<v Speaker 3>and say, well, hey, maybe this is gonna work, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is not.

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<v Speaker 1>So already they're starting off.

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<v Speaker 3>With a group of a defense mechanism, a military that

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<v Speaker 3>is responsible for the murder and the destruction of a

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<v Speaker 3>particular brown group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you no, You're right, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the reality of the situation is in order for

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<v Speaker 2>police to have proper training, as you would call it,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have to include people from the community. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>having other.

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<v Speaker 1>Police doing that Also, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying it would have to include relevant, respected people

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<v Speaker 2>from communities, in communities where people want it to happen. Right,

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 2>You can't impose your will in communities that people don't

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<v Speaker 2>want certain things in. Secondly, what we know is that

0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.399
<v Speaker 2>police do not prevent crimes. Right, So the fact that

0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:35.879
<v Speaker 2>we constantly put money and resources into enforcement and and

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:41.400
<v Speaker 2>penalization of crimes and arresting people for crimes instead of prevention,

0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the crime prevention it should be what our money goes into.

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.199
<v Speaker 2>We put hundreds and millions and billions of dollars into

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<v Speaker 2>all Right, you killed somebody, you shot somebody, gonna rest you.

0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:52.720
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna make sure you go to jail. We got

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 2>officers who are prepared to do that. Instead of having

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<v Speaker 2>the services and all of the everything needed to prevent

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.399
<v Speaker 2>the crimes, that people aren't starving in the communities, the

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues of being addressed, like we need to

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 2>pour that money into that. You know, this cop city

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<v Speaker 2>thing is just it's stupid to me. It doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's never been when the elected officials, including

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 3>the black man who's the mayor there, agree to things

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not even sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I want to give the mayor some.

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<v Speaker 3>Leeway here that maybe he doesn't know what the IDF is,

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<v Speaker 3>because a lot of people don't know. Most people will

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<v Speaker 3>not know what the hell I'm talking about what we're

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.080
<v Speaker 3>saying on this show today. Okay, they're gonna have to

0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 3>go educate themselves. There are a lot of people that

0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 3>don't know. But the fact that the IDF is even

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<v Speaker 3>involved tells me that they are lobbyists and other political

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.640
<v Speaker 3>forces who have talked the mayor into something that they

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 3>make it sound good because they're going to try to when.

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<v Speaker 1>You say that there needs to be people.

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<v Speaker 3>Involved who are from the communities and all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>they are going to say that that's exactly what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna say that they have all types of training.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just the idea is this is that in

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<v Speaker 3>the third but the mere fact that the idea is

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<v Speaker 3>involved at all is problematic. But how dare you Atlanta

0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 3>have the type of homelessness that exists in that city

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<v Speaker 3>when you are staying downtown as I stay all the

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<v Speaker 3>time in downtown Atlanta. Will now don't because my grandaughter

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.240
<v Speaker 3>lives in Bucket, so I have to go with bucket.

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 3>But when I did, I stayed in downtown Atlanta all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, at the Ritz Carlton Downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 3>The level of danger that I feel, and I am

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<v Speaker 3>not afraid of black people. That's not something that I

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<v Speaker 3>where people like, oh, you shouldn't go here by yourself

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<v Speaker 3>and do this. I love black people. Black people don't

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 3>harm me, right, and even if something happens, I'm not

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.480
<v Speaker 3>gonna look at it as I can all black people

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<v Speaker 3>are bad or all.

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<v Speaker 1>Black people are dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that there's all types of people that can

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<v Speaker 3>hurt you and incidents that can take place. I have

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<v Speaker 3>never been afraid to walk the streets, no matter the

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:16.719
<v Speaker 3>time of day, around my people in Atlanta. However, the

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 3>level of mental illness and the people who have displaced,

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 3>the level of houselessness and all the things that's going

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 3>on there, it is dangerous. I had people run up

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 3>in my face. I've had somebody chase me into a bank.

0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 3>I've been through so much in downtown Atlanta. It is

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<v Speaker 3>no joke there in terms of all those people who

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 3>are living out in the street. And you mean to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me that you're gonna take your money and put

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of millions of dollars into more training for cops

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.479
<v Speaker 3>and a place for cops to be comfortable and spread

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 3>their legs and be out in communities and shoot this

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 3>one and beat this one up, versus getting those people

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<v Speaker 3>off the street and making sure that they have the

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<v Speaker 3>necessary resources.

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>To be whole, to have homes. This is outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're gonna tell you. They're gonna tell you

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that that's more of a priority. It's more a priority

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to employ more police services and you know, deploy more

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.199
<v Speaker 2>police services to our communities in which they seem to

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.920
<v Speaker 2>escalate more situations than they de escalate. You know, they

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>seem to constantly arrest people instead of stopping situations from happening,

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 2>and they don't do anything that's really necessary to further

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the community, to grow and be peaceful and to be

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the beloved community. The only thing they do is arrest people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm tired of that, and I think.

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<v Speaker 1>More people are.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to say that I hope that Mayor

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<v Speaker 3>Andre Dickens as the city council meetings are packed with people.

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Their whole thing is, Oh, these people don't even live

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 3>in Atlanta. It's outside agitators. By the way, I've been

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 3>told by Queen and No Sieh and others that the

0:23:55.960 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 3>last meeting they were at, it was overwhelmingly a major,

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 3>overwhelming whatever overwhelming majority excuse me of Atlanta residents. But

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 3>many people don't know. And that's why we're using street

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 3>politicians and every other platform to ensure that people know

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:20.160
<v Speaker 3>what's happening, because too, unfortunately, too often, we find out

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 3>about stand your ground laws after Trayvon Martin has been killed.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 3>We find out about gentrification and rezoning and all these

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 3>things after it happens, because they keep it quiet. So

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 3>it's not that the Atlanta residents don't care, it's that

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 3>they don't know. And that is why it is our

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 3>responsibility to work with the local grassroots organizers to use

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 3>our national platform to make sure they know. And my

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 3>thought of the day is, Mayor Andre Dickens, is.

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>This who you are?

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Is this who you are that you will support the

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>idea which murders children every single day in the Palace

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Sinian community. Palestinian people murders babies, shoot women. We have

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 3>it on video, It's on camera, Maya Dickens, and are

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.679
<v Speaker 3>you a person that stands with that and will allow

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 3>the same people who murder folks across the seas every

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:23.880
<v Speaker 3>single day to come and have training for police officers

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 3>that are already killing black people every day right here

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 3>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell is this?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thought of today? Ain't none know? We can

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>end the show with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we should definitely put our guests through because something

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 3>is wrong with everybody's mental health if this is okay,

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 3>So in keeping with our mental health awareness theme for

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the month of May mental Health Awareness Month, you know,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 3>as I said, we are not stopping. We're making sure

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.919
<v Speaker 3>that every week we bring someone to you who is

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.959
<v Speaker 3>an expert in this area. I personally think, and I

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 3>know my son you agree that this is probably one

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 3>of the most important conversations we could be having. I mean,

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 3>obviously the economic stuff is important, our politics are important,

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 3>but keeping people stable and focused in a time when

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the nation is so out of control, it's also it's

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 3>probably the most important thing. I want to I don't

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 3>know that this artist's name there, but my son sent

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 3>me an image or of some slides of a young

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 3>man who was an artist who wrote on social media

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 3>and his stories all the people he was angry with

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 3>and the people he loved and the people that supported

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 3>him right before he killed himself. Recently, this just happened.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 3>I'll look it up while you know, once we introduce

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 3>our guests. But this just happened, and a young man

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 3>was ranting about so many things and he took his life.

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 3>And he's a seems to be a well known rapper,

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 3>and so you know, they're there. We're in a very

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 3>very very very delicate time. And I have been very

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 3>specific about wanting as we had doctor Michael Pratts my

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 3>psychologists on last week. I've been very intentional about us

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 3>finding black men who are in this particular field because

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 3>we know black women we always talk about our mental

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>health and self care, but black men certainly need a

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 3>real focus on mental health and mental and and and

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 3>mental health awareness. And so today we have mister Elliott Connie,

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 3>who is a Texas based psycho therapist or psycho yeah,

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 3>psycho psychotherapist, I think yes, And he is the founder

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Solution Focused University. Welcome the street, politicians. Thank

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 3>you so much much, mister Connie for being with us.

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And it's mister not doctor or a psychotherapist, not

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 4>a psychologist, but.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Thank you our solution base like that that is for me,

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>that's the key to everything. I think everyone focused on

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>what the issue is and points out everything that's wrong.

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 2>What made you wanted to call it solution base and

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>what does that actually entailed?

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 4>I gotta tell you a little bit of my story

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 4>in order to answer that question. So I grew up

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 4>in a really, really difficult environment. I was born on

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 4>the West side of Chicago, Illinois. My family moved to Boston, Massachusetts,

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 4>and in both scenarios, I lived in really really rough areas.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 4>And my mom is the most amazing strong woman ever,

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 4>and she wanted to make sure her children got good education.

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 4>So she moved us to the suburbs of Boston when

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 4>I was in middle school to to just make sure

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 4>I was getting a better education. And my dad was

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 4>like super abusive, and I spent most of my childhood

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 4>really suicidal, like not just talking about it or thinking

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 4>about it, but like like attempting and like like I

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 4>remember when they built like a taco bell in my area,

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, Oh, I'm sad, I'm never gonna

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 4>eat at that taco bell because I'm not gonna be

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 4>alive when it's built like that kind of shit. And

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 4>when I went to college, like, you know, God loves

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 4>me enough, he blessed me with the ability to play baseball,

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 4>and that got me into college. And when I got

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 4>into college, I started thinking about things like hope and

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 4>love and warmth and like kindness of self. And I

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 4>can't really tell you why I started thinking about those things,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 4>but as a nineteen year old, that's what I started

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:46.959
<v Speaker 4>thinking about. And I decided to major in psychology, and

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:50.239
<v Speaker 4>I went on this journey like not really realizing it,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 4>but like when you go to graduate school and study psychotherapy,

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 4>there are literally zero black people in our textbooks. Like

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 4>sometimes say like, oh, there's no black people do that,

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 4>but there's like a few. There are literally zero. The

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 4>number of people we see in the textbook educating us

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 4>about psychotherapy that are black or brown are zero. And

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 4>I was so that tripped me out. I was just like,

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 4>that's crazy to me. That either means black people have

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 4>not contributed to the psychology of this field or you've

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 4>ignored black people's contribution to the psychology of this field.

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>And I had.

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 4>Turned inward and gone on my own own journey and

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to touch people. So my son, to answer

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 4>your question, why do I call it solution focus brief therapy,

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 4>because that was the only approach I was studying in

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 4>school that made sense to me. When I was in school,

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 4>I was studying a bunch of stuff that had to

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 4>do with assessment and interpretation. And I do know cross culturally,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 4>it's very hard for some affluent white person to understand

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 4>my background and what I've learned. Even more in adulthood,

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I actually think it an impossibility. I don't know about you, guys,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 4>but I've gotten real, real tired of trying to explain

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 4>the plights of black people to people who do not

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 4>and or refuse to understand what it's like. And that's

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 4>like a trauma that we all live with consistently. And

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 4>if you're not capable of understanding the very nuanced trauma

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 4>that we experience, and you can't help me psychologically. So

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 4>I decided in that moment, like this is ridiculous that

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 4>there's no black people doing this, So I wanted to

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 4>change that. I remember thinking like I either want to

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 4>be the black person in these textbooks or I want

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 4>to inspire the black mind that will show up in

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 4>these textbooks, and now it's happened. Like the Solution Focused

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.959
<v Speaker 4>Universe is the largest training organization in our field. We

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 4>train about fifteen thousand new psychotherapists every month on how

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 4>to do this type of therapy. And my favorite emails

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 4>I get from people saying, like I saw you in

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 4>the textbook, an answer to a test question in graduate school,

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 4>and those sorts of things. So it just became super

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 4>important to me to make a difference in this field

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 4>because we need it.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>So you are in the textbooks, now I.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 4>Am in the textbooks. Now you like to grad school.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>They don't know how long did it take to get

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to that point.

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Uh, it took me about a decade. Actually it took

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 4>it took me a while. Like it was, it was

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 4>a hard it's a hard nut to crack, I'll say that.

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 4>And and the field, like the status quo in this

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 4>field was was just old, male and white, and they

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 4>did not love a black man becoming a leader in

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 4>this industry. So I had to overcome some things.

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>You studied to become a psychotherapist, which is different from,

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 3>as you said, being a psychologist, which is what I have.

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 3>So talk about that a little bit, what's the difference?

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, so in the helping professions, we have psychologists,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 4>social workers, marriaged family therapists, life and posessional counselors. Uh,

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 4>and all of us are credential to do psychotherapy. I'm

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 4>like licensed professional counselor. And really the only difference is

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 4>let me know the difference. Actually, it's all kind of universal.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 4>We all do psychotherapy. The only difference really in our

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>field is psychiatrists can provide medications.

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So this is a deep question, right because I always

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I've never I've never contemplated suicide. I've been through a

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of different things, like I've been the worst points

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and I've been and I've deal and I know I

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>deal with levels of trauma that come from those points.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>But as a as a psychiatist who studies, can you

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>try do you have you figured out like what is

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a therapist psycho psychotherapists who studies, who studied the field,

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>can you have you kind of like pinpointed or kind

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>of figured out what is the thing that makes certain

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>people want to commit suicide or or contemplated what like

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>for you when you were contemplating suicide, yea, what was

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the thing that mostly triggered you and made you feel

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 2>like this was something that you wanted to do.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, died by suicide, not commit suicide. They have changed

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 3>the language yes.

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 4>So when I was going through those thoughts, and a

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 4>lot of people think that suicide adallyte is attached to depression,

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.800
<v Speaker 4>and it's actually not. It's attached to levels of hope.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 4>And some people are better at holding on to hope

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 4>than others. And I'll use myself as an example to

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 4>tell you what I mean by that. If I'm going

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 4>through something hard and it doesn't matter what it is,

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 4>if I have hope that it will one day end,

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 4>then things will be better, I'm significantly less likely to

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 4>die by suicide. If I lose that hope, then I'm

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 4>significantly more likely. So in my experience, it was all

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 4>attached to the trauma of my father, who was a

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 4>very abusive dude, like the way he treated his wife,

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 4>his three kids. It was super duperank kind and it

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 4>went on for so long that the best way I

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 4>can describe it is I would look around the world

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 4>and I would think everybody else seems to have gotten

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 4>this great life, and I got this like shitty life,

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 4>and my father would tell me constantly like you are

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 4>nothing and you're never gonna be nothing. And when you

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 4>start to believe that, you lose hope for your own future,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 4>and that's when your life becomes in peril. If you

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 4>can hold on to the belief that one day things

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 4>will be different or even positive, then you can essentially

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 4>go through anything. And there are certain people that can

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 4>do that. Like my personal hero that has ever walked

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 4>on this planet is Medeba Nelson Mandela, Like that is

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 4>my guy. I've been to South Africa a bunch of times,

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 4>and I've gotten to talk to people that walked with

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 4>him and rode with him.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:54.919
<v Speaker 2>And there are.

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 4>People like him who could sit through a prison sentence

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 4>of twenty seven years and he had this ability to

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 4>always believe that he would be able to create change.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why people like him could hold onto

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.919
<v Speaker 4>that for twenty seven years, but some people can hold

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 4>onto it. But that's the key is being able to

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 4>hold on to hope for a different future. And once

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 4>you can do that, then your life is significantly safer.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>So what do you think was the change for you

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 2>that made you say they gave you the hope? Where

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 2>do you see that you started to get home.

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 4>So I'm super stubborn, like I'm crazy levels of stubborn

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 4>and competitive and not in the like I'm rooting against

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 4>you way, but like to drive me to be a

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 4>better version of me kind of way. And when I

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 4>was nineteen, which is probably the worst, it got like

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 4>the closest I got to ending my own life. For

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 4>some reason, I was laying in my college dorm room

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 4>and I was thinking about my eulogy, like somebody eulogizing me,

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 4>and I started thinking that people would say, like I

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 4>didn't know Elliott was sad, and I didn't know Elliott

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 4>was in trouble, and I didn't know Elliott was going

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 4>through these things, and I didn't I couldn't live with that,

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't want people to think I was dying

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 4>because of an issue with me. I wanted them to

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 4>know the truth, which was that dude abused me for

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 4>nineteen years. So I decided in that moment, I have

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 4>to outlive my trauma so I could tell my story.

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 4>And I started feeling like I got hope that I

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 4>can do it. I started feeling hopeful that I could

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 4>outlive this trauma just so I could tell people the truth,

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 4>and then I realized I wasn't the only black youth

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 4>in that situation, in that scenario, and then it became

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 4>bigger than me, and I think that's what changed my life.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's really that's powerful, just wanting to outlive your trauma.

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 4>I never even thought of something like that. I made

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 4>a decision. I was nineteen. I like, if I decided

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 4>to take my life, I can do that at any point,

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 4>so it's easy for me or at the time, you know,

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 4>it was nineteen nineteen year old thinking I could take

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 4>my life the day after I share my story, not

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 4>realizing that sharing my story would saved my life. I

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 4>just wanted to outlive this trauma so people could know

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 4>the truth.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>So you you, you tricked yourself into saving yourself.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I accidentally tricked myself.

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Accident tricked yourself into saving you and so so so

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>you've been so how long have you actually been doing

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>this work?

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Let me see, I graduated in two thousand and six,

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 4>so I've been doing this a minute, well since two

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 4>thousand and six. Yeah, I got my master's agree in

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and six, so I've been doing this and

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 4>doing this a minute. And in that time I had

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 4>my own practice, which I still do. I've traveled the

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 4>world teaching people how to do solution focused brief therapy.

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 4>I've written now five books about this. It's literally everything

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 4>I do.

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Five books. What are the names of the books I

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>want to go out and get him? Send me your address,

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll send them to you. Yeah, yeah, Well, give me

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 2>give you two names. What are your two favorites.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 4>The solution focused brief therapy diamond and let me see

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 4>you one two favors, and the solution focused marriage.

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you brought up the marriage piece because I

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 3>noticed that you you work with married couples, and you

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 3>work with marriage counselors, right training marriage counselors and working

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 3>with married couples. And I noticed that, you know, when

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 3>you think about Twitch, the gentleman who was on the

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Ellen DeGeneres Show, and you see all of these beautiful

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 3>moments with his wife, the dancing, the celebration, the family.

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I noticed when I'm reading some of these stories that

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people who are dying by suicide are married,

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 3>either very young teenagers and or people who are in

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, committed relationships. Let's not necessarily marriage. So can

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 3>we talk about like what is that? What is there something?

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Is it just by coincidence or do you think that

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 3>there's a particular stress in this moment that's happening with

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 3>married couples.

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 4>No, well that's a super complicated question. So I do

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 4>think it's more of a coincidence, like it's not. That's

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 4>not to say people are married are more at risk

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 4>of dying by suicide than people who aren't, But I

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 4>will say the pressures of this world are really really high.

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 4>And when you are married and you have children, you

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 4>have you have a pressure to provide, You have a

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 4>pressure to contribute. But I actually think the biggest pressure

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 4>and that the death of Twitch. That that hit me

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of hard, actually, because my whole adult life has

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 4>been motivated to impact people's mental health, in particular like

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 4>black male mental health. And I'm just a psychotherapist. My

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 4>practice is in Texas. And then because I make social

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 4>media content, I get discovered by this Hollywood world and

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 4>making TV content and I'm meeting meeting all these people

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 4>and talking to them about mental health, and I my

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 4>heart broke that I hadn't yet had the opportunity to

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 4>reach him. I think the biggest issue we have is

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:14.919
<v Speaker 4>the issue of performance versus authenticity, and I think as

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 4>a as a black man, it's very very difficult to

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:24.359
<v Speaker 4>unmask yourself and be your authentic self. And being your

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 4>authentic self is so healing and so protective, and we

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 4>were not always comfortable doing it. Now. Of course I'm hypothesizing.

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 4>I've never I never spoke to Twitch, but I am saying, like,

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 4>we live in a world where we can't just be

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 4>who we are, Like we get judged harshly, we get

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.720
<v Speaker 4>criticized roughly, we never get the benefit of the doubt.

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 4>And that's a pressure that all of us, all all

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 4>African Americans carry and that weight is very, very heavy,

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 4>and we get to a point sometimes where it's like

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.440
<v Speaker 4>we cannot we cannot handle it, Like we get to

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 4>a point right now we lose our ability to believe

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 4>that there's a day after this level of pain and

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.800
<v Speaker 4>trauma and to be honest with y'all. Like when I

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 4>got on, the first thing I said was I'm fans

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 4>of you guys. I don't know if you guys have

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 4>thought about how important you are to the culture, but

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 4>you're incredibly important. Like to Mek, I knew about my song,

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 4>just I knew about my son because back in the

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 4>day when you were fans of record labels as opposed

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 4>to artists, I was a fan of Rough Riders, and

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 4>I remember like Lefty gun up in that right, like

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 4>my song was a rapper that I followed, and then

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 4>he disappeared and I found out my son did time

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 4>and he came back with this ridiculous freestyle in twenty seventeen,

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 4>And I was just following you as a rapper. But

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 4>now to see the work you do as an advocate

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 4>and Tamika I found you in early twenty twenty. What

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 4>you guys do for our culture is you get angry.

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 4>And the reason that that's so incredibly important is I

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 4>think after the death of George Floyd, a lot of

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 4>black people didn't know what to do, like we were

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 4>just crushed. And then I see this video to Mika

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 4>Maori like going off on a podium, Like that's so

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 4>important because we get to see like it's okay to

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 4>have our authentic feelings from people demonstrating that in an

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 4>unapologetic way, like neither one of you and in those

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 4>moments cared how you were being perceived. You didn't back

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 4>down to the powers that be. You could live withever

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 4>consequences came your way. We need more of that because

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 4>we have to be free to express our authentic experiences.

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 4>And sometimes our authentic experiences is rage, like outright anger,

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 4>and I don't know that as a black man, I

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 4>can walk around all the time and feel comfortable expressing that,

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 4>and people like you, guys and several others. Of course,

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 4>we need to see those examples, and I think that

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 4>saves lives. And I would be willing to bet a

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 4>lot that Twitch was dealing with the battle between performance

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 4>and authenticity and sometimes get wrapped up as if I'm

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 4>too authentic, I'll lose endorsements or lose money, and I'll

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 4>lose whatever problem.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:13.800
<v Speaker 1>That's the big issue.

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we listen. It is not easy. What you

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 3>see is a work in progress. It takes a lot

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 3>of prayer, and it takes a lot of support from

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 3>our community to say that. You know, I've had people

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 3>walk up to me who have resources and say, you

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 3>will never go broke again in life.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>You will never. We will make sure that you have

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:39.720
<v Speaker 1>food on the table.

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Now, how that materializes when you're actually going broke, I

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know. But if damn Suore feels good to think

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 3>that there are people who will make sure that I

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:55.399
<v Speaker 3>don't have to go as Coca Cola, PETSI, you know, Walmart,

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.800
<v Speaker 3>and the list goes on. Not to say it's anything

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 3>wrong with those relationships, because they should be inad in

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 3>the movement, but I don't have to rely on them,

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and so therefore it gives me the freedom to speak

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 3>and to speak truth to power. It's not easy when

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't know where your next meal is gonna come from.

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>So I am sure not.

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Necessarily about twitch, but there are a number of people.

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:17.800
<v Speaker 3>They are artists every day. My son knows he deals

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 3>with it all the time. They are artists and others

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 3>who are in the industry that you can go to

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 3>them and say this is a really important issue, and

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:33.959
<v Speaker 3>they're like ski, I mean literally shaking about even being

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 3>seen next to you. Forget about speaking on the issue.

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 3>They don't even want to be in the same room.

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 4>I look, I agree. Like the celebrities I talk to,

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 4>the number one thing that they they come to me

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:52.399
<v Speaker 4>about is fear of being canceled. And I think, while

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 4>I understand it, we have to we have to be

0:45:55.520 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 4>able to prioritize our own authenticity because when we feel

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 4>comfortable being our authentic selves, we have strong enough mental

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 4>health and we understand, like, I'm not guaranteed like the

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 4>seven figure business, and I like, I would rather be

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 4>be real and work as a cashier at a grocery

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 4>store than be fake and be world famous, because that

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 4>actually crushes your soul. And I learned that like when

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I was when I came into this field, and I'm

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 4>almost embarrassed to admit this, but like I got to

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 4>tell the truth. When I graduated with my master's degree,

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 4>I told you I was super motivated to contribute to

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 4>this field. And no black person in my industry had

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 4>written a book, like nobody had written a book of

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 4>my color about solution focused brief therapy. So within a year,

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 4>I wrote the first book by a person of color.

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 4>It's called The Art of Solution Focused Therapy. And I

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 4>was so excited. I was like, oh my god, I

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 4>just did this. It never dawned on me that psychotherapist

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 4>would be racist, and I know that's stupid, but at

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 4>the time, I just thought, like, if you're interested in

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 4>mental health, you're not gonna allow yourself to have bigoted views.

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 4>And I went to this conference, and I'd never been

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 4>to a conference before, and even I started performing. Like

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 4>I called one of my white colleagues. I was like,

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 4>what are you gonna wear? And he was like, I'm

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna wear a polo and slacks, and I'm somebody like

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 4>I like to wear sweatsuit and a hoodie like everywhere

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 4>I go, but I'm not gonna do it at my

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 4>very first conference is back in two thousand and seven,

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and eight, and for for I don't know,

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 4>five six seven years, like, I put on the uniform

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.760
<v Speaker 4>so I could be taken seriously. And what I learned

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 4>was it didn't matter how I dressed, it didn't matter

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 4>how I talked. They were gonna hate me regardless. And

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 4>before I knew it, I felt like I didn't even

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 4>recognize who I was seeing in the mirror trying to

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 4>trying to like be accepted in this community that is

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 4>designed not to accept me. So it pissed me off,

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 4>it motivated me, and it helped me shift towards my

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 4>authentic self and to be honest with you, that's where

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 4>healing is. And to mek it like it is not easy,

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 4>Like there were in days where this whole field was

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 4>upset with me, and a few people would email me saying,

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 4>you got to keep doing what you're doing, and I

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 4>will invest in you and I'll keep doing those things.

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 4>And that was like a lifeline, Like that was so

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 4>important because those days are not easy, but they're so

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 4>important because like nobody said healing was easy, and nobody

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 4>said authenticity was consequence free. But it is important. It

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 4>is the thing that we should prioritize above all else.

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it sounds like you just in my mind right now.

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to you because those are things that I'm

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 2>faced with every day. Yes, and being in this field

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 2>coming from where I come from. You know that I

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 2>come from hip hop and the culture and come from

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 2>street culture and wanting to be you know, be strong

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and be an advocate for our people and bring people

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 2>from where I come from to this space because there's

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>so many people from the whole who are you know,

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>embedded in communities, you know, impoverished communities, who have backgrounds

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>of crime and have done things you know that are

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 2>not celebrated by our community, who want to do better

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>for our community, who want to be able to utilize

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 2>their voices, who want to be on the front lines

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 2>who want to stand by me, but they don't see

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>their faces in it, you know. And that's how I

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 2>got in this. So keeping that authenticity of who I

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>am and what it is that I represent, and still

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:24.479
<v Speaker 2>coming into rooms where people you know, are coming from

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 2>different backgrounds and they're more cultured, and they're more educated

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and have degrees and all these things, and still coming

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in with what it is that I represent. It's hard,

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's people saying, well, you need to do this,

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 2>or you need to do this a little bit, or

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe don't talk about this that much or look this

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:45.879
<v Speaker 2>way or sound this way, and it's a constant fight,

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>and I don't And I'm one of those people that

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I believe in me so much it don't matter what

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you tell me, Like I don't give I really just

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck about how you feel about what

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I feel. And sometimes people make you feel like you're wrong,

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>like your selfish because this now need to do this,

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's like I wouldn't be me if I capitulated

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 2>to certain things.

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.000
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, I wouldn't raise my hand

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.920
<v Speaker 3>to speak in this part of the conversation. We need therapy,

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 3>we need podcasts, partner therapy right here, right now.

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 1>So you get you a hat that says I'm a.

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Psychotherapy, They're gonna get my hat.

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 3>You gotta put your so But I do and I

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 3>respect what my son a saying because what he brings

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 3>to the movement is exactly what we needed, especially in

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 3>until Freedom and other spaces that we've been in. And

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, so I agree with that, but I do

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 3>think that there is always room for growth. And just

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 3>because you feel like you're being one hundred percent authentic,

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 3>sometimes we have to figure out like authenticity and growth

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 3>have to happen at the same time. So, for instance,

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 3>what I try to explain to him is that everything

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 3>he thinks he can't say why because you also run

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 3>an organization and there are people on payroll and folks

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 3>who are depending on us to make payroll to keep

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 3>the organization going.

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.320
<v Speaker 1>And we have to be really sure when we decide

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:17.959
<v Speaker 1>we're going.

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.439
<v Speaker 3>To go and speak on an issue or we're going

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 3>to be engaged in something, whatever it is, we have

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that the stakes of it is something

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 3>that we are willing to throw the whole thing in

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 3>the garbage behind, right. We have to make sure because

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 3>we could tank could we could. He knows we've done

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 3>it right. When people told me I had to denounce

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Minister Farakhan, I said, that's something I just can't do.

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.280
<v Speaker 1>So what happened.

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:48.400
<v Speaker 3>I lost all the speaking engagements to this, to that

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 3>and the third. But it was something that regardless of

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 3>whether I agree with Minister Farrakhon about a number of

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 3>things that he says, it is not my language, it's

0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 3>not the way I would speak, and I don't agree

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 3>with him on the number of point. I still will

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>never find myself as a black woman denouncing a black

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:06.400
<v Speaker 3>man because.

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 1>White people told me I have to do that. I

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 1>just can't do it. I can't do it right. But

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>now me getting into a battle with somebody else.

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>But see that the problem is this. You can't. You can't.

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 2>You can't have both of those statements.

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to say.

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I just want to finish my point, and when I'm finished,

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna understand where I'm going. Me getting into a

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 3>battle with somebody else on the internet, I have to

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 3>make sure that that fight is one that I'm willing

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 3>to go down all the way. Don't care what people

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.160
<v Speaker 3>think or whatever, and all I have been saying to

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 3>my son is that I'm for what he speaks on

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 3>because the things that he speaks on, my son needs

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.360
<v Speaker 3>to hear it his So there's a group that's outside.

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 4>To hear it like I needed to hear it, Like

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 4>my son inspires the psycotherapy.

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Like my son.

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 4>If you go into your Instagram and find my Instagram page,

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 4>you will find a message for me that I since

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 4>you're like twenty eighteen, saying to you like we like

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 4>you inspire me a random psychotherapist who wants to be authentic.

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.959
<v Speaker 4>And I think, Tamika, what you're saying is one hundred

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 4>percent true. Like authenticity doesn't mean this stubborn like I'm

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 4>gonna go in I'm gonna cuss out the president Like

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 4>fuck that, Like that's not what I'm saying. What I'm

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:25.320
<v Speaker 4>growth is a part of authenticity, and so to our mistakes.

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.200
<v Speaker 4>And one of the things that do you guys run

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 4>the organization together? Is that true. So one of the

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 4>things that my son has done is he's decided to

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 4>collaborate with an incredibly powerful black female voice who cares

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 4>about him. So he might say, I'm gonna go in

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.719
<v Speaker 4>there and do this, and you are strong enough to

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 4>stand up to him. You are strong enough to tell

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.839
<v Speaker 4>him your truth. He is humble enough to listen to you.

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 4>We gotta give this man permission to make mistakes, absolutely,

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 4>and he's he's making different mistakes. I don't know how

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:00.720
<v Speaker 4>old you are, my son up, I don't know forty

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'll.

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Guess I just turned forty seven actually two.

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Days you see, okay? Oh man, Well, I'm sure if

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 4>I disrespect him at forty seven, I'm gonna get a

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 4>different response than I would have gotten at twenty seven.

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 2>See, And that's what I need people to realize.

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>It's I give you my point, miss the kind.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 4>But you're still gonna get a response though, So call

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 4>me elliot, call me ellie, elly.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 2>They act like see, just because I'm removed from certain responses,

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, the level of the response is. You know,

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna get in the mud with you, but

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 2>we still might roll around on the ground. We might.

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:44.320
<v Speaker 4>Let me give you an example. Let me give you

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 4>an example. My son did something a couple of months

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 4>ago that is an example. Like I told you, I

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:51.520
<v Speaker 4>followed both of y'all like, and I'm gonna give you

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 4>an example from each of you doing exactly what I'm

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 4>saying that's important. A couple of months ago, a basketball

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 4>player named Angel Reed did this and this crazy dude

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 4>whose name I'm not gonna name, said something super disrespectful,

0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:09.760
<v Speaker 4>and my son said, not on my watch. We need

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 4>to see that now. We need to see as a

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.359
<v Speaker 4>black community that we have people that got our back

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:21.880
<v Speaker 4>publicly and in those moments. It's important to see it.

0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I mean by authenticity. Something triggered him

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 4>to feel disrespected and he needed to go protect that queen. Now,

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:31.760
<v Speaker 4>is he gonna go put his hands on that person?

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe not who cares? But she saw it and

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 4>was like, someone out there cares about me to stand up.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.760
<v Speaker 4>That is incredibly important.

0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, Elliott, and my son knows. This

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 3>is how I deal with it because to your point,

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 3>you said that we put so much judgment on people

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 3>and make people feel so bad, and we're constantly challenging,

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.239
<v Speaker 3>especially black men. As black women, we have to be

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 3>very careful because when we open our mouths to our men,

0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 3>we can take them up or down. And I know

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 3>that I recognize that, and my son and other men

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 3>have checked me on it as it relates to my

0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:10.399
<v Speaker 3>own son.

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Right because out of fear for.

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Him getting in trouble or getting hurt or whatever, I'm

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 3>out here like motherfucker, I said. But I said, and

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 3>they're like, yo, you can't talk to him, Like yeah,

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 3>you gotta build him up. I'm still a work in progress.

0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.439
<v Speaker 3>But what I do is that I let I give

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.720
<v Speaker 3>mice or go ahead on tell him they snitches, they liars,

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 3>They they're that and the third. But I always can

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 3>see the twinkle in his eye when his ego starts

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.400
<v Speaker 3>to drive the rest of the ending of it. It

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 3>starts becoming a different thing. And as soon as I

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.960
<v Speaker 3>start seeing that, I'm like, uh, we're in the car

0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 3>and everybody's and then now break break, break, break, break break, and.

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I have to pump him down because he's gone with it.

0:56:56.200 --> 0:57:00.319
<v Speaker 4>But that's that's the brilliance of him. Like and so,

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:02.600
<v Speaker 4>Mike Son, this is my first time talking to you,

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 4>but I'm gonna bet you your capacity to listen to

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 4>a woman like Tamika is different at forty seven than

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:10.479
<v Speaker 4>it was at twenty five.

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 2>What you did.

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.319
<v Speaker 4>So one of the brilliant things about him is in

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 4>his strength, in his resilience. He maintains the humility to

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 4>be able to listen to someone else who cares about

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 4>him because we none of us can just be all

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 4>rounded like we all have.

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:26.520
<v Speaker 2>To do it.

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.400
<v Speaker 4>And I told you I was gonna give an example

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 4>from each of you on Tamika. I remember following you

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:32.960
<v Speaker 4>and I'm just going through social media and I see

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:34.760
<v Speaker 4>a picture of you in a bathing suit on a

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 4>beach somewhere and someone was like, you ain't supposed to

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 4>be showing up like that, and you let that person

0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 4>have it. And young black women or young women period,

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 4>but specifically black women need to see like it is

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 4>okay for me to stand on the steps of the

0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Capitol Building and speak truth to power because of an injustice.

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 4>And it's also okay for me to be proud of

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.160
<v Speaker 4>my body in the way that I look like. We

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 4>need to see that. And every now and then you

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 4>might go too far, and it's my song's job to

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 4>be like to me, But that's the beauty of it.

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Is a partner partnership that brings out the best in

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 4>each other and protects each other. And so being authentic

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 4>really just means like, I use my voice and we're

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.960
<v Speaker 4>going to make mistakes. I decided to use my voice

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.520
<v Speaker 4>and I got a master's degree in counseling because I

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.560
<v Speaker 4>wanted a very particular group of people to listen to me,

0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 4>and I knew I needed credentials to do that. But

0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 4>it's really really important to use our body. Like I've

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 4>had to stand up to some of the biggest people

0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 4>in this field, and I don't give a shit what

0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 4>they think. I'm telling the truth. It really irks me

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 4>when people ask me, like, why don't black people go

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 4>to therapy, because the insinuation is there's something wrong with

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 4>black people. Like they come to me and they say, like,

0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:50.680
<v Speaker 4>why don't black people go to therapy? Like the black

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.960
<v Speaker 4>community is not accepting a therapy and it really irks me.

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 4>And I've had to tell some of the most famous

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.360
<v Speaker 4>psychotherapists in the world stop doing that. The reason black

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 4>people don't go to therapy, it's because therapy wasn't built

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:05.439
<v Speaker 4>for us and it's not currently being provided by us.

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 4>So if you want black people to go to therapy,

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 4>you should create an environment where more Black people become therapists.

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 4>You guys created this incredibly exclusive environment and then expect

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 4>me to just walk my black culture into your environment

0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 4>and allow you to oppress me with your extraordinarily biased

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 4>way of doing psychotherapy, Like that's just not gonna happen.

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:28.720
<v Speaker 4>If you want more black people to come to therapy,

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 4>you have to create more black Eliotcani's. You have to

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 4>create more black people who look like us and are

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.400
<v Speaker 4>of this culture, and then black people will come to therapy.

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:40.760
<v Speaker 4>And I know that because I'm getting emails and contacts

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 4>from black people everywhere. And it's so wrong to say,

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 4>like black people don't come into therapy because of this flaw,

0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 4>like the flaws in the field itself. So I love

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 4>that my son every now and then goes too far

0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 4>because if you're not being authentic, the only way to

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 4>not make mistakes is to overperform. So I have to

1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 4>make mistakes like that. That's part of the healing journey

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:06.800
<v Speaker 4>is every now and then I'm gonna go too far.

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.880
<v Speaker 4>And my son through however way, He's decided to partner

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.800
<v Speaker 4>with with this woman named Tamika who's got his back,

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.760
<v Speaker 4>and she's able to advocate for him to the world

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:21.560
<v Speaker 4>and and sometimes advocate for him to him. And I

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 4>think that's important.

1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I appreciate doctor a missing.

1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Mister Connor, you got you sound like you know you

1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:34.320
<v Speaker 2>might know a thing or two about a you're gonna

1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 2>be our doctor. We're gonna need to talk to you

1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:38.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of day. We have to get the whole

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.840
<v Speaker 2>team to talk to you. And and we're gonna get

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole team asion we know you know, we could

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 2>have this conversation for about another whole hour, but we

1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 2>have a whole show to continue on. But we want

1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to say thank you. Definitely leave your contacts so we

1:00:56.000 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>can let people follow. Tell everyone how to find you.

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the easy way to find me is on social media,

1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 4>like on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Elliott Speaks. Make

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.160
<v Speaker 4>sure you spell Elliott with two l's and two t's.

1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 4>You can just search my name Elliot Connie. There's not

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.640
<v Speaker 4>a whole lot of them. You can find me on Facebook, Instagram,

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:18.480
<v Speaker 4>and Twitter. I'd love to be in contact y'all too.

1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Have to follow me, man, I've been following y'all for years.

1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:24.320
<v Speaker 4>We definitely and I and I really mean it, man.

1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.520
<v Speaker 4>Like the work y'all do in this field is so

1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:31.520
<v Speaker 4>incredibly important. And I don't know anybody in the world

1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:34.800
<v Speaker 4>who doesn't have strong mental health that isn't they have

1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.720
<v Speaker 4>hot people with strong mental health here's the last thing

1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:39.360
<v Speaker 4>I want to say. People have strong mental health tend

1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:45.240
<v Speaker 4>to have high levels of authenticity, authenticity, high levels of humility,

1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 4>and high levels of gratitude. And I think that the

1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:52.160
<v Speaker 4>two of you are such amazing examples of all of that.

1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:57.400
<v Speaker 4>Like my song through his music, like I've my favorite

1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:59.120
<v Speaker 4>like and I'm not I'm not even bullshit. Like my

1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 4>favorite album for a really long time was your uh

1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:09.000
<v Speaker 4>the Remix. I probably listened to that, like wow, you

1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:10.360
<v Speaker 4>put on like I didn't know how to get it,

1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:11.960
<v Speaker 4>and then you put on Facebook. It was on Dat

1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:14.000
<v Speaker 4>PIV and I was like, I gotta go get that.

1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.840
<v Speaker 4>I listened to that like on repeat for about two years, bro, and.

1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Such good music, such good But the.

1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.120
<v Speaker 4>The reason I bring it up is like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>good music, but it's also a good message in representing authenticity,

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<v Speaker 4>Like here's where I've come from, Here's where I've gotten,

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what I now know that I didn't know before,

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<v Speaker 4>and here here is like the mistakes I made because

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know this before, and now I want to

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<v Speaker 4>create healing where I used to create pain, Like like

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<v Speaker 4>it's so important to have high levels of authenticity, high

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<v Speaker 4>levels of humility, And when I say humility, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes we confuse humility like humility is I don't acknowledge

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<v Speaker 4>I'm great, But humility is I don't acknowledge. I acknowledge

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't know everything. So I listen to other

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<v Speaker 4>people and high levels of gratitude. So I want all

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<v Speaker 4>of y'all to represent that continuously, and people listen will

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<v Speaker 4>be inspired to do that. And I love y'all. Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you those.

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<v Speaker 3>Things, and we have much gratitude for you. Join the

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<v Speaker 3>Street Pops today, mister Elliott Connie. We have renamed him

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Elliott Kannie so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Love y'all, thank you, Thank you too, King appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to our new doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, he's good too. I like you.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really good and he comes from a place and

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<v Speaker 2>you could tell he's he's the authenticity that he comes from,

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<v Speaker 2>like knowing he knows a lot. He knows a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about my music and things that I'm like, Okay, you really.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're gonna work with black folks, I guess anybody

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<v Speaker 3>but you know we're black, so we don't work with

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<v Speaker 3>black folks. You really do have to have a range

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<v Speaker 3>of understanding. You got to have your hand in many

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<v Speaker 3>different places. Your is to the street. You gotta know

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<v Speaker 3>the gossip, you gotta know the politics. You gotta because

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<v Speaker 3>we have a lot. We're multidimensional.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't have one. That's one of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Reasons why people don't like to go to therapy because

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<v Speaker 3>the therapist has been trained in a very white space

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<v Speaker 3>and they deal with life and culture and whatever mental

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<v Speaker 3>health different from us. So with us, it's flavoring the food.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like when we cook, we got neck bones in it,

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<v Speaker 3>all types of seasonings. Gonna make some corn bread, fried chicken.

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<v Speaker 3>The fried chicken have.

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<v Speaker 1>Mustard on it. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we do a lot of things going on, but

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<v Speaker 3>all that to help to get us straight. And you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be able to understand our trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>That only we have.

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<v Speaker 3>There is literally no other group of people period that

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<v Speaker 3>suffered enslavement for five hundred plus years, nobody slave man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's not even just the enslavement, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>of the mental issues and all of the dynamics that

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<v Speaker 2>come came even as a result after slavery. Right, there's

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<v Speaker 2>never been any recourse. Right, there's never been anything given

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<v Speaker 2>to atone for what's happened to us there. So we

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<v Speaker 2>basically still living in the dynamics of slavery without the

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<v Speaker 2>slavery name of it, you understand I'm saying. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things that we can we the only we

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<v Speaker 2>are the only people who don't have a lineage to

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<v Speaker 2>their culture, right our culture is completely stripped of us,

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<v Speaker 2>like we don't have We have to completely search and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so many different dynamics of people saying, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what your culture was, and this was no this was

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<v Speaker 2>our coachure from so many different every other ethnicity and

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<v Speaker 2>culture can give you back to their getting and say

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what it was because nobody destroyed their history.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody tried to hide it from them. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that there's one place that they all come

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<v Speaker 2>back from. Even there people that said we didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>from Africa, we came from this, and we did this,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were so many different dynamics of what people

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<v Speaker 2>try to tell us, even though we know that we

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<v Speaker 2>come from Africa, there's so many different people tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what our language was, what our religion originally was, we

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<v Speaker 2>were the more, it's so many different things and people

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<v Speaker 2>are divided. We're the only culture, We're the only nationality.

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<v Speaker 1>That they did a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>The people that tell us that I'm not African, I'm American, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck are you talking about your American? Like

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<v Speaker 2>you understand that you'll never hear people Asian communities and

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<v Speaker 2>say those things. They know exactly what their culture looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>They know it's that you understand what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 2>even when you look at the Jews, right, they know

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<v Speaker 2>what their their culture is. They can they can trace

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<v Speaker 2>back this is what our coach is, this is where

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<v Speaker 2>we come from.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I mean and even there, even those people

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<v Speaker 3>who believe that Israel in its current state in Palestine

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<v Speaker 3>or however people want to say it. I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 3>a politically correct way to explain it. But they are

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<v Speaker 3>able to trace back a time when Jews were there, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's there are Like you said, most people

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<v Speaker 3>are able to at least points.

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<v Speaker 2>There's ramifications. Yeah, even if you change too, they've given

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying, okay, we acknowledge this happening. We this is

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<v Speaker 2>y'alls now right, We're gonna be able to pay you

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<v Speaker 2>back for this, all right, since you didn't you displaced,

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<v Speaker 2>we're giving you this unis. We've never had any of

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<v Speaker 2>those things. None of that has ever happened for black people.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't even want us to know that going to

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<v Speaker 1>Africa was viable.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Nobody ain't saying, hey, we're gonna give all of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who've been misplaced here when you can go

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<v Speaker 2>back to Africa and we're going in this way here

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<v Speaker 2>is you can find somewhere to live here. Right, That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>For us, but the people of Africa, they do want

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<v Speaker 3>us to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying.

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<v Speaker 3>But it ain't like you could just go look at

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<v Speaker 3>commercials here or there's some mainstream way that is being promoted.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an underground railroad.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to discuss it among ourselves and educate our people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why we're getting ready to go a few

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<v Speaker 1>months from now.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back on the Motherland, in the Motherland, learning,

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<v Speaker 3>meeting people and building our alliances so that we can

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<v Speaker 3>find ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that people have to leave the US or

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<v Speaker 1>leave any.

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<v Speaker 3>Other place in the world, but you should at least

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere home is and have some allegiance, alliance connection and

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<v Speaker 3>more importantly, your children need to know the truth about

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<v Speaker 3>our history, our culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it helps you to stand.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, our kids, they kill each other, some of them,

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<v Speaker 3>not all of them, some of them they kill each other.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going through all these things. When you go to Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing that I know happens to almost every person,

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<v Speaker 3>every person that I know from the United States that

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<v Speaker 3>travels to Africa, and you can attest to this mic

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<v Speaker 3>when you come back from there, you don't really want

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<v Speaker 3>to fight your own people because you know that the

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<v Speaker 3>struggle is so much.

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<v Speaker 2>The level of unification and understanding that just comes with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Unfortunately in America, black people only unite through trauma, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing or dance or dance happy moments we do unite.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 3>We do funerals and birthdays and weddings, funerals and weddings,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do have a bigger, unfortunate reaction to trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, unfortunate, that's what we live with.

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<v Speaker 2>But we know what we dealt with and we know

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<v Speaker 2>what the process is gonna take for us to get

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<v Speaker 2>where we are. So once again, shout out to mister

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<v Speaker 2>our doctor Elliott Connie for his his gracious him gracing

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<v Speaker 2>our platform today. Man, I'm definitely gonna go follow him

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<v Speaker 2>and you get into him. But he the theme was authentic, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and authenticity that's something that I live by. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at most of my things, authenticities is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the major themes of it, you know, and that brings

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<v Speaker 2>me to my I don't get it this new AI thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you can take the voices of people

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<v Speaker 2>and recreate them right, and the average person can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>if it's actually that person or that I was listening

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<v Speaker 2>to a song. I was listening to many men fifty cents,

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<v Speaker 2>many men song that had Biggie and tupacom and it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was. It was crazy, but it was disheartening

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<v Speaker 2>for me. It was really disheartening in the head, like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all did that to the great Biggie and the great Tupac.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all took their voices and you immulated it to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where somebody who doesn't know right, and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>even get the credit for it. It's not even who

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<v Speaker 2>they are, Like you've just taken their authenticity and you

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<v Speaker 2>recreated that to make to make them just some common people.

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<v Speaker 2>You understand I'm saying, like you're trying to common, You're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to common people who have reached icon status. They

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<v Speaker 2>can now take voices and put them on average songs,

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<v Speaker 2>where anybody could just say, I got me a song

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<v Speaker 2>by Twopa, I got me a song by Biggie right

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<v Speaker 2>where they were exclusive at one point where Biggie had

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<v Speaker 2>a body of work that he did that was only you,

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<v Speaker 2>the people he wanted to have his voice, who he

1:11:56.000 --> 1:11:58.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be all songs was on it. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>could just take somebody that's iconic and put them on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I don't get why we even want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I don't think it's something that's good. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think it's something that shit should even be considered.

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<v Speaker 2>But it bothers me, Like I was listening to a

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<v Speaker 2>Verse the jay Z and I'm like, wow, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>why do we want to do that? Why do we

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<v Speaker 2>want to water it down and take away somebody's greatness

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<v Speaker 2>by just putting their voice and their likeness on anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm so mentally beat down with a number

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<v Speaker 3>of thousands of thousands of problems and things and issues

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<v Speaker 3>that I haven't even begun I haven't begun the process

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<v Speaker 3>of approaching all the dangers of AI, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>it's there, and I see people talking about it, and

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<v Speaker 3>folks have tried to like engage me in a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, well, right now, I'm fighting diversity issues

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<v Speaker 3>within corporation. So my focus is on like the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that black people who work for Panini America could do

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<v Speaker 3>not rise to positions of like senior level. And they

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<v Speaker 3>also don't recruit and bring people into the company who

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<v Speaker 3>are black, specifically black, not you know, brown too, but

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<v Speaker 3>specifically black, because seventy five percent of their business model

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<v Speaker 3>is based upon the black athletes that they have signed

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<v Speaker 3>for their memorabilia and trading card company. So they don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any black people as senior levels within the company

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<v Speaker 3>that we can find, and they haven't come forward to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>excuse me, we're talking about down and on the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with the back call, there's a chief so

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<v Speaker 3>and so and a senior so and so that's black.

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<v Speaker 1>So they don't have them. But anyway, so I've been

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<v Speaker 1>focused on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So the AI thing is like, oh my god, this

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<v Speaker 3>is yet another thing that is very, very dangerous. But

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<v Speaker 3>the one thing that I did say to I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was our se like my makeup artists of other day,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, we have to have a code.

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<v Speaker 1>For families, right like and friends that this is my code.

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<v Speaker 3>My code is shout out to Let's say it was Trili,

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<v Speaker 3>which is our brother chi Ali's brand, Trili. If that

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<v Speaker 3>was the code, we have to have that so that

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<v Speaker 3>if someone tries to call you with my voice and

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<v Speaker 3>they say to you, oh, my son, come and get me,

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<v Speaker 3>send me some money on this, or that I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>trouble or whatever, anything anything they might say that you

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<v Speaker 3>could you if you feel skeptical, you could say what's

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<v Speaker 3>the code or who is this? Because I think people

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<v Speaker 3>are going to start using it for worse things than

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<v Speaker 3>what you're describing, which is bad. I definitely don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to hear artists of the past. I watched the Whitney

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<v Speaker 3>Houston movie last night. I don't want anybody to recreate

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<v Speaker 3>her voice to put it on something different.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want that.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I was feeling funny about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie, you know, it's her singing and not

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<v Speaker 3>the person. In a lot of different you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure the actress can.

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<v Speaker 1>Sing, but you hear it's with me, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was feeling a way, Not that I didn't think it

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<v Speaker 3>should happen. I'm just saying it made me.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel emotional, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember those songs, so I'm just saying they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be worse.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be worse.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if there's a movement or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's something we all have to think about. Are we

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be fighting it? How do we fight it?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it too far gone? We just talked about that

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<v Speaker 3>in the earliest segment when we talked about how people

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<v Speaker 3>don't find out until it's too late about standard ground laws, gentrification,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these things that happened who was running for office.

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<v Speaker 3>We find out about it's so late or we don't

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<v Speaker 3>pay attention to it, and the next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>is problematic. And I don't know how you fix the

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<v Speaker 3>AI situation. But I also see some of our our

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<v Speaker 3>brethren out there supporting it and promoting it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's very strange and dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's moving us further away from authenticity. It's like cloning.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can clone Lebron James, you know who is

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<v Speaker 2>ugly one of the best plays. You can just keep

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<v Speaker 2>cloning him. Then what makes him unique? What makes him significant?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I need him? I can clone him, I

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<v Speaker 2>can make I can recreate you at any given time

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't capitulate to whatever it is that I need,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's we're moving so far away from consciousness.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that with that rapper who was it like one

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<v Speaker 3>of these record labels, remember it was a Columbia. One

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<v Speaker 3>of these record labels had a rapper that was like white,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, but dressed with like gold chains. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't white, you remember that, And he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be the newest artist that they were releasing, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was it wasn't a real person. It was called fing

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<v Speaker 3>mik It because I know, I think about it just

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<v Speaker 3>because it's got my name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was an AI artist. Yeah, they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Pull that back because people were like no.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, the more they realize time, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they got to get you comfortable, They got to

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<v Speaker 2>gradually move you into stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they keep on playing the AI voices and people are,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit, this shit is dope, and they keep doing

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<v Speaker 2>it and then you start. Next thing, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>have an AI artist and they be like, yo, this

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<v Speaker 2>this ship is fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it was a great show.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great show. Once again. Shout out to

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