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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show got

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Speaker 1: the day right, good start for the show.

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Speaker 2: I had to I've been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I just landed back from La Buck appreciate him having

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Speaker 1: the show yesterday. As boy George Pickles got into a

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Speaker 1: big fight in the snow. It was awesome fun game

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Speaker 1: last night. Did you did you give out prize picks picks?

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Speaker 3: I did, and I said always bet on Pickles never

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Speaker 3: lets us down.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how Pickles did overall.

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Speaker 1: I do know that legitimately in the snow, he ended

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Speaker 1: the game in a huge fight with and then blame

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Speaker 1: the loss on.

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Speaker 2: The snow, which is an interesting move.

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Speaker 1: But we'll dive into that. Have some fun with that.

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Speaker 1: As many of you, I am sure, are set to

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Speaker 1: begin holiday travel or maybe you already have. I know

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Speaker 1: my wife and at least one of my sons are

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Speaker 1: going to be on the road during the course of

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Speaker 1: today's show. I know there's a lot of different moving

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Speaker 1: parts for many of you across the country, and but

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Speaker 1: there we're going to have some fun. Here is on

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Speaker 1: the Friday edition of the program. But big picture as

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Speaker 1: we sit here, congratulations to Dave McCormick. We have said

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Speaker 1: it on the show for some time that he was

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Speaker 1: going to be the winner of.

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Speaker 2: That Pennsylvania Senate seat.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Bob Casey yesterday afternoon evening conceded. So this basically

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Speaker 1: ends all of the statewide races, whether it's governor, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Senate, certainly, whether it's who won the presidency, and

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Speaker 1: so Republicans will have fifty three seats in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Bob Casey, after eighteen years loses. Congratulations Senator Dave McCormick

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Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, and congratulations to all of you Pennsylvanians, because

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Speaker 1: not only did you flip a Senate seat, but you

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Speaker 1: also put Donald Trump back in the White House.

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Speaker 2: This is important, Buck.

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Speaker 1: Because we have a lot of different moving parts as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to the cabinet, many decisions still to be made.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday you had the decision by Matt Gates to drop out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you talk quite a lot about that. Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondi has now been nominated former Florida Attorney General as

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Speaker 1: the attorney general nominee going forward. Very well connected with

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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles, but there are a lot of Floridians. You

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Speaker 1: are a Floridian Now that are a part of a

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Speaker 1: Trump two point zero regime. A lot of people being elevated.

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Speaker 1: That makes some sense because Susie Wilds did a great

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Speaker 1: job as campaign manager. She knows everyone in Florida very well.

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Speaker 1: We were going to talk with Nancy Mace about a

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Speaker 1: big bathroom issue. She had to cancel. It's quite a

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Speaker 1: chaotic for her. She's gonna be on with us maybe

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Speaker 1: next week. But Pete Hegseth is now the focal point.

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Speaker 1: Now that Matt Gates is out, they are turning everything

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Speaker 1: they have on Pete heg Seth, who is the nominee

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Speaker 1: for the Defense secretary. And so this is the newest battleground. Buck,

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Speaker 1: You've known Pete Hegseth for a long time. You agree

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Speaker 1: next man up, so to speak. On the target list.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I think that for whatever the strategy

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Speaker 3: maybe that works against them, But right now, I think

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Speaker 3: it has encouraged them and they think that they can

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Speaker 3: make a statement now by taking down other nominees. And yes,

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Speaker 3: our friend Pete Hesset is next in their metaphorical crosshairs.

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Speaker 2: So the target so.

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Speaker 1: Far, and again I'm trying to kind of focus on

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Speaker 1: right now, and correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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Speaker 1: Buck seems to be a twenty seventeen incident at a

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Speaker 3: She alleged sexual assault. He says it was consensual. That's

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Speaker 3: the and the information you can read. There's an extensive

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Speaker 3: have to keep coming back to this clay. If there

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Speaker 2: Correct? They investigated it and determined there was no criminality.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to say someone's been charged and you

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Speaker 2: There's been no charge? Even? Do you know what I mean? Percent?

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Speaker 3: I understand it's only court of public opinion, but there's

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Speaker 3: look it was an It was a highly unfortunate situation,

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Speaker 3: to read. I know Pete, I like Pete. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm not unbiased in this process. But this is what

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Speaker 3: they're doing now. They're they're getting all these accusations, and

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Speaker 3: when they've when they've done things like Havanaugh and then

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Speaker 3: the thirty year old allegation against Trump, what are.

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Speaker 2: We supposed to do?

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Speaker 3: We know they've I know they've lied about other people,

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Speaker 3: meaning the media. Yes, I know the media has lied

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Speaker 2: Of course, not. I want process, I want proof.

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Speaker 1: I actually think some of these details matter, and i'm

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Speaker 1: you know, specifically, she he was drunk. There is video

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Speaker 1: went into his hotel room. Okay, for anyone out there,

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Speaker 1: there is video of that occurring, that is the open

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Speaker 1: then all of these things that were totally non consensual happened.

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Speaker 3: There at the hotel with his children as well, so

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Speaker 3: There's there's evidence that she was not in fact and

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Speaker 2: You know they're there.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're for we're being forced to he would judicate

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Speaker 1: So this is if I just look at it, buck

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Speaker 3: I don't believe Pete hagg Seth committed a crime. That's

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Speaker 2: That was the Blasi Ford routine.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing other than don't make this man a

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Speaker 3: you know, Clay, here we are and they're trying to

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Speaker 3: I think the map Gate situation. Whatever one thinks about it,

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I would say about this

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have

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Speaker 2: Like, how is the schedule gonna work for you?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I was just saying, because the baby

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Speaker 1: is doing April, and I'm like, hey, have you thought

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Speaker 1: about what your situation is gonna be? Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: take a certain amount of time off? Have you planned out?

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Speaker 1: Have you thought because you do your show from home?

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Speaker 1: I was like, have you thought about, you know, with

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Speaker 1: a newborn crying at all hours and up at all hours?

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Speaker 2: Like, how this is gonna And.

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Speaker 1: I remember this because I think a lot of you

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Speaker 1: who are dads out there women think about having babies.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. From the moment that

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Speaker 1: you can start carrying around a baby doll, women are

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Speaker 1: aware about what babies require. They are cognizant of knowledge,

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Speaker 1: much like with weddings. Most men, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this was your experience. I had no idea about babies.

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Speaker 1: And some of you may be different if you have

452
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Speaker 1: like much younger siblings and so you've been around baby.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have that. I've got to Shrew's two years younger,

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Speaker 1: but I don't remember her being a baby really, and

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Speaker 1: so I had no idea what I was walking into.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with the wedding like, I didn't know anything

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Speaker 1: about weddings, like women have thought about having babies and

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Speaker 1: having weddings in a way that virtually no man, ever,

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Speaker 1: no straight man anyway, ever has in his life. So

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Speaker 1: when I'm talking with you, I've been through three times, yes,

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Speaker 1: but I was totally clueless the first one I had known.

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Speaker 3: They was asking all these questions. He's like, so what

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Speaker 3: are you gonna do and what's the schedule?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, ah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I thought we just the baby happens and then we

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Speaker 3: come home and then you know, like you just it cries,

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Speaker 3: you feed it. I don't know, I'm gonna learn some

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Speaker 3: things here. So also we'd love for I know what

469
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Speaker 3: we got so many people. If you have any particular

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Speaker 3: baby advice, Carrie squared Away she's got this. She's like,

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Speaker 3: she's all prepped and ready to roll like mom for women,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be She's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be amazing more things about having babies that men

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Speaker 1: never even contemplate. If you have new dad advice, okay,

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Speaker 1: new dad advice like stuff that you would wish that

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Speaker 1: you had known for your first one. By the way,

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Speaker 1: where you're going into number one, you know, maybe God

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Speaker 1: will bless us with a second or a third or

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But if you're going into number one, what

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Speaker 1: do you as a guy? Okay, Carrie doesn't need any help,

481
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Speaker 1: she's got to score away. What do you as a guy?

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Speaker 1: I wish you had known beforehand, because it was really funny.

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Speaker 1: Clay was asking all his questions. I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't I don't even know. I had

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Speaker 1: to think.

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Speaker 3: About the things that Clay was asking and Carrie's like, yeah,

487
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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, it's a little bit different because you

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Speaker 1: work from home. So like for some dad, like a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of you out there that are dad's like, you

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Speaker 1: leave the home where the baby is and you go

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Speaker 1: to work and then you come back home to.

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Speaker 2: Where the baby is.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, you have a studio in your place

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Speaker 1: down in Miami, which is going to be different. Also,

497
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Speaker 1: I would bet mother in law's you know her mom like,

498
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Speaker 1: there's just going to be women running through the house

499
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Speaker 1: at all hour, everywhere, which is good. You're fortunate to

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Speaker 1: have the ability to to have those assets.

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Speaker 3: Let's tell you something we were We were we had

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Speaker 3: dinner last night with a couple of good friends here

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Speaker 3: in Miami and the wife, who's lovely. It just sort

504
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Speaker 3: of was like, well, we're talking about baby stuff because

505
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Speaker 3: obviously they know, and she goes, well, the good news

506
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Speaker 3: is you only work three hours a day, and I

507
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Speaker 3: was like, whoa hold on a second, Okay, there is prep, madam.

508
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Speaker 3: There is many hours of getting geared up to do

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Speaker 3: this three hour impromptu performance every day.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, technically it is a pretty great schedule.

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: So you may hear starting in the spring, maybe occasionally

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Speaker 1: a crying baby. I'm I'm super excited for you, because

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Speaker 1: it is just it's hard to explain what a transcendent

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Speaker 1: feeling you will have when the first baby arrives. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking shots at baby two or baby three

517
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Speaker 1: or baby four or maybe you know, you got eight

518
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Speaker 1: kids out there, they're all very special, but that very

519
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Speaker 1: first time where you have a baby that you're holding

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my goodness, it is a truly

521
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: unbelievable experience that is hard to even quantify for anyone,

522
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Speaker 1: and not only for you and Carrie Buck, but also

523
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Speaker 1: for your mom and dad. Like I'm already looking. My

524
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Speaker 1: boys are sixteen, fourteen, and ten now, and you know,

525
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: hopefully they are ways away still for marriage and having kids.

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Speaker 1: But I look around now as I get older, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: ten years from now is not that long. I had

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Speaker 1: my first kid when I was twenty eight, so my

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Speaker 1: you know, sixteen year old is twelve years difference from.

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Speaker 2: How old I was when I had a kid. Grandpa

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Speaker 2: Clay on the radio is not that far off, my friend.

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Speaker 1: So that is really ideal because then you get all

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Speaker 1: the fun of the kid. But they but you don't

534
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Speaker 1: have to keep them all the time. That's what I

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Speaker 1: hear from the grandparents out there. You're like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're great, but there's a time where you're not on

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Speaker 1: the hook one hundred percent for them, which is the

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Speaker 1: best thing about being a grandparent. You can spoil them.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about the precedent that you're

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Speaker 1: setting because you're not mom or dad.

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Speaker 2: But I'm so excited because I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Want to spoil it because we've known this was coming

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Speaker 1: for a while and I just didn't want to step

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Speaker 1: on anything or accidentally say anything out there. So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that you were able to tell this whole audience,

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Speaker 1: and I know I can already tell. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: too to mentions flooded. People are just so excited. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's like it's a beautiful thing. And those of

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Speaker 1: you who are parents, I know that you.

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Speaker 3: Know you you've been able to experience this, and we've

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Speaker 3: you know, we're very excited. I didn't get married until

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Speaker 3: I was forty, and now I'm in my forties and

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Speaker 3: I'm having my.

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Speaker 2: First kid, and it's all it's all gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about it.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, it's it's just I'm very grateful and

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Speaker 3: I'm very thankful, and going to Thanksgiving, I try to

558
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Speaker 3: think more about what these holidays actually mean other than

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00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: the delicious food and spending time with family. So, you know,

560
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Speaker 3: we have Clay. We have a lot to be grateful

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Speaker 3: for him, and you do. You have a beautiful, wonderful

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Speaker 3: why and three amazing kids, and you've got a great family,

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Speaker 3: and we have this incredible audience that really is just

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Speaker 3: we have friends all over the country, so you know,

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Speaker 3: it's almost like a little overwhelming. Sometimes this is really

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Speaker 3: a dream come true. And I appreciate all of you

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Speaker 3: so much. I really mean that from the bottom of

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Speaker 3: my heart.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's have some fun advice for Buck dad.

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Speaker 1: Carrie is way smarter. She's a mom, She's on top

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Speaker 1: of things. She's she's squared away. It's like she's been

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Speaker 1: in Navy seal training for mom duty. What would you

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Speaker 1: think that Buck should know as a new first time

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Speaker 1: dad coming this spring, We're super excited for at eight

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Speaker 1: We are headed up to New York City right now,

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Speaker 1: where we'll dive into this a bit, maybe this hour.

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Speaker 1: The criminal convictions of Donald Trump and the Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 1: hush money business records case basically going up in smoke

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Speaker 1: now that Trump has won the election as well as

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Speaker 1: the popular vote. We'll give you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a legal breakdown of where that is and how it's going. Also, again,

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Speaker 1: great news on the program, Buck and Carrie are going

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Speaker 1: to have a baby, and they're gonna have that baby

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Speaker 1: in the spring, and they just talked about it last week.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you wanting to weigh in, but if

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Speaker 1: you're just getting into your car, lots of good news

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Speaker 1: already on the program.

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Speaker 2: Now. We wanted to cover this story because I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like it has largely gotten ignored in the national

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Speaker 1: media because this case is taking place during the election season.

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Speaker 1: But we wanted to bring in Kirsten Flemings. She's a

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Speaker 1: New York Post features columnist and she's been the Daniel

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Speaker 1: Penny trial in New York City to refresh. Daniel Penny

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Speaker 1: was a former marine who was arrested for putting a

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Speaker 1: choke hold on someone who was threatening people he says

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Speaker 1: on the New York City subway. He's being charged with

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Speaker 1: felony charges for that. We'll get the details of how

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Speaker 1: that's going. We bring in now Kirsten, who has been

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Speaker 1: in that courtroom. Kirsten Fleming from the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: What should we know about the case? Kirsten, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: giving us the time here on this Friday for people

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Speaker 1: who haven't been able to follow it very much.

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Speaker 2: What's going on so far?

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Speaker 7: Well in the courtroom. I mean, it's been interesting because

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Speaker 7: the prosecution's witnesses are basically people who were on the

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Speaker 7: subway that you know that day, and a lot of

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Speaker 7: them have been so favorable for the defense. A lot

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Speaker 7: of them had said, oh my gosh, I thought I

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Speaker 7: was going to pass out. It was the most terrified

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Speaker 7: I've been. A lot of those people are very seasoned

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Speaker 7: subway rider, so this is not like, you know, I

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Speaker 7: came in town from Peoria, got on the subway and

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Speaker 7: I saw guy screaming and I freak doubt, you know,

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Speaker 7: Like these are all New Yorkers and they're used to that.

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Speaker 7: So the strongest witness they've had is the emmy who

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Speaker 7: was said it was definitively a choke hol that Neely

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Speaker 7: died from. And yesterday and it's still going on in

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Speaker 7: court now, the defense put forward an expert who said

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Speaker 7: that he didn't die from a choke hold, that he

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Speaker 7: died from combined effects or combined effects of schizophrenia, synthetic

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Speaker 7: marijuana use, the struggle, and a stickling event. So it's,

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Speaker 7: you know, who knows what's going to happen, but this

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Speaker 7: is what's going on right now.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Christan appreciate you being with us, and I'm glad

651
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Speaker 3: that someone's down there to cover what's really going on.

652
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Speaker 3: I've wondered how is it in the court room, Like

653
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Speaker 3: there's some stuff on social media I've seen about how

654
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of uh, you know that that seems

655
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: like this is something that activists are very involved in

656
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Speaker 3: now and the people who are watching this it's very

657
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Speaker 3: it does a political feel. I mean, can you just

658
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: bring us into the courtroom, like what has it been

659
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: like and and what are you sensing from the proceedings

660
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: here about how it's going.

661
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Speaker 7: Well. I think that things have been going pretty well

662
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 7: for Penny, which is, you know, very good news obviously,

663
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Speaker 7: But there was one day when everything kind of erupted.

664
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Speaker 7: You know, there was like a woman who had to

665
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Speaker 7: be escorted out because she was wailing at an unnecessary time.

666
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Speaker 7: There was another woman who started to sort of weeping,

667
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Speaker 7: and you know, you can't have that that jury deserve

668
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 7: to have some sort of piece in that they don't

669
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Speaker 7: deserve to hear all of these outbursts. And then even

670
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Speaker 7: that day, one of the one of the Nealy supporters

671
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 7: got into a huge blowout with one of the cops

672
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Speaker 7: outside when we cut for a break to the point

673
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 7: where he was screaming at the guy saying, f your rules.

674
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 7: So that day was a big circus and the judge

675
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 7: had to kindly scold people, Hey, listen, the jury deserves

676
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Speaker 7: to not hear this. You cannot act this way. And

677
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Speaker 7: so things have been pretty good since. And you know,

678
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 7: they run a tight ship down there. There are protesters

679
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 7: every morning outside on their bullhorns. It tends to go

680
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 7: away by the time the jury is seated. But yeah,

681
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Speaker 7: I mean it's been a lot of Mealy supporters. It

682
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Speaker 7: doesn't feel I think like since that day that the

683
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Speaker 7: judge scolded everybody, I think it's kind of gone a

684
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Speaker 7: little bit more. I think controlled Yesterday was really contentious

685
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Speaker 7: with the with the defense expert who basically said that

686
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Speaker 7: he didn't dive from a joke hold. And by the way,

687
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Speaker 7: I would never render decision after only two days of

688
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 7: not actually seeing the toxicology report. So yeah, you know,

689
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Speaker 7: the the obviously on cross the ada was extremely aggressive

690
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Speaker 7: and it was I mean, it was really it was

691
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Speaker 7: like the stuff that courtun dramas are made of. So

692
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 7: that was kind of an exciting day.

693
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Speaker 2: Kirsten.

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Speaker 1: One of the things That's important about being in a courtroom.

695
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Speaker 1: That is different, even if you're able to watch some

696
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Speaker 1: of the proceedings on television, is you can actually watch

697
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Speaker 1: the jury react to the testimony, to the judge, to

698
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Speaker 1: the lawyers, to the defendant. How would you assess the jury?

699
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: Have they been engaged, have they been responsive or a

700
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: motive in any way based on what you've seen from

701
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Speaker 1: the testimony. Take us into their world so far as

702
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: you can see it.

703
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 7: So far, they've been pretty emotionless. I would say there's

704
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Speaker 7: there's been a few moments that have elicited some giggles,

705
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 7: of course, but for the most part, you know, a

706
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 7: smile there or smile here, it's not really you really

707
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 7: can't tell. I mean, they all have got pretty good

708
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 7: poker faces. So I'm not getting anything from them. The

709
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 7: only thing that I'm getting from them is really like

710
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 7: intense stares, you know, like when they're watching because we

711
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 7: are watching it's almost like watching game tape. It's gruesome, right,

712
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 7: We're watching the video over and over and over of

713
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 7: this actual this incident, which was taken by a journalist

714
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 7: who is on the scene. So they have this basically

715
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 7: like six minute video close to six minute video and

716
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 7: we're just parsing it, just going back and forth. It

717
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 7: really feels like game film, and so I feel like

718
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Speaker 7: they have very intense stares at the screen, but there's

719
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Speaker 7: no real there's no tells. I can't say there's really

720
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Speaker 7: any tells.

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Speaker 2: Am I right.

722
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Speaker 3: We're speaking to Christian Fleming from the New York Post,

723
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: who's been doing great reporting on the Daniel Penny trial,

724
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: day in and day out in the courtroom writing for

725
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: the New York Post. So my understanding is you're following

726
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: this obviously much more closely that there. I mean that

727
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Jordan Neely did have a pulse after and when police arrived.

728
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Has that been definitively entered into the record.

729
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: What can you because that obviously goes to if he's

730
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: still alive after the choke hold, is no longer a

731
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Speaker 3: choke hold. That brings into questions some of the things

732
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Speaker 3: that are being said by the prosecution.

733
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so, I mean the Emmy explained it that he

734
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 7: basically died. His brain died first. So when you're your

735
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 7: brain dies first, your circulatory system is the heart still

736
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 7: pumping a little bit. So it's common to have a

737
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 7: pulse for about ten minutes after expiration. So that was

738
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Speaker 7: explained away.

739
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Speaker 3: Gotcha because I saw I saw the reporting on that,

740
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: and just from the from the way that the witnesses,

741
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: I mean, because I think this is really just going

742
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: to be ultimately a reasonable man test in terms of

743
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 3: the use of force here, or really is this about

744
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: excessive force more than anything else? Is that it seems

745
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: to me like, based again you're there, but based on

746
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: just the reports that I've read that the prosecution seems

747
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: to say, Look, that he stepped in, isn't the problem.

748
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: It's that he held him too long.

749
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, the actual words, or he went too far, and

750
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 7: that's what they're alleging. But here's the thing. It's that

751
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 7: you can't really tell. No one can actually tell what

752
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 7: kind of pressure he's applying. Like you can't look at

753
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 7: that video and definitively say, oh, yeah, he was applying

754
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 7: this consistent pressure after he had passed out, Like, no

755
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 7: one can actually definitively say that. So that's where I

756
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 7: kind of struggle. Like the word pressure, you know, it's

757
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 7: a loaded word in this case, right, I Mean, there's

758
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 7: pressure all around it, but the actual no one can

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 7: really definitively say yeah, like he I can see from

760
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 7: this angle, he's you know, he still has the pressure

761
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 7: because the angles changed too, and the movement's changed. So

762
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: it's really, as much as we have this record of

763
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 7: what happened, it's again like to see it play over

764
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 7: and over again. You can't definitively say, you know, it's

765
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 7: not you know, I'm talking about game tape, but you know,

766
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 7: we don't have multi angle cameras. You know, it was

767
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 7: just one guy with a cell phone. And there was

768
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 7: another video taken by like an eighteen year old girl,

769
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 7: and you know, they keep using it, but you can't

770
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 7: really see much from that either. So that's really the

771
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 7: the crux of it is that they're not saying that

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 7: his intentions were bad. They're saying he went too far,

773
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 7: and they that he did not see Jordan Neely's humanity

774
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 7: on the train that day.

775
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: Kirsten, I asked you about the jury and how you

776
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: think they're reacting. I can't even imagine being Daniel Penny

777
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: because you're on that subway. It's not like you're intending

778
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: for this to occur. How would you say he has

779
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: appeared sitting at that defense table, and how do you

780
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: think the jury is perceiving him, because it is true

781
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: that it's such a challenge for the defendant to be

782
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: there knowing that he has to not only hear what

783
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: people are saying, but know that people are watching how

784
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: he responds to what people are saying.

785
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: It's a very strange dynamic, it is.

786
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 7: And in fact, I keep trying to see if I

787
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 7: can see him turn his head like towards the screen,

788
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 7: and he very rarely does. He seems to stare straight ahead.

789
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 7: I've only really seen him lean over and talk to

790
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 7: his lawyer once he is I mean the posture to

791
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 7: die for. I mean, you could put a portrait plus

792
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 7: on his back. I mean that's how just like he's

793
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 7: so stoic, he gives you really nothing. And that's why,

794
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 7: you know, we have the video of him getting interrogated

795
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 7: where you actually hear his voice for the first time,

796
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 7: which a lot of people, which is making the rounds

797
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 7: on social media right now, and everyone's going, don't talk

798
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 7: to them, get a lawyer. You know, everyone like panicking

799
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 7: like watching it. You know, you can see he's he

800
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 7: has that moment where he thinks he's going in to

801
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 7: help them, and then he realizes, oh crap, you know,

802
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 7: I mean people, you know, and.

803
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Let me I'm sorry to cut you off, but let

804
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: me say, as a lawyer, even if you think you

805
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: have done nothing wrong, when they ask you to go

806
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: and sit and they start quizzing you, you're right. That

807
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: video of the interrogation has begun to go viral on

808
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: social media. He totally thinks that he is just being

809
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: a good guy and they are taking advantage of the

810
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: fact that he is talking to the media.

811
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Speaker 2: You always need a lawyer. You always need a lawyer.

812
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: You always need a lawyer. Sorry to cut you off,

813
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: but I just want our audience to hear that.

814
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 7: No that I mean, that's just been the consensus. Everyone's

815
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 7: like having to, you know, sort of freak out over it.

816
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 7: But you know, that's the only time you really hear

817
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 7: his voice. And now when the defense, when the when

818
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 7: the prosecution rested and the defense came in and they'd

819
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: have some character witnesses. What was interesting about it was that,

820
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 7: you know, we didn't we really didn't know much about him.

821
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 7: You know, there's been so many pieces on Jordan Neely

822
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 7: and his life, which was very tragic. You know, it's

823
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 7: very very sad case, but you know, don't know much

824
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 7: about Penny and you know it's again like you heard

825
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 7: from his family, his mother, his sister, some marine buddies,

826
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 7: and you know, it kind of gave you a sense

827
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 7: that he's sort of a soft spoken surfer bro, you know,

828
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 7: like he's not this hot head, crazy guy this is

829
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 7: according to them, and you kind of see it in

830
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 7: the video that he's not this like alpha jar head

831
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 7: who's like a drift, you know. He really just kind

832
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 7: of seems like a gentle guy, like, hey, oh, I

833
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 7: thought I was doing the right thing, so you know.

834
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Speaker 7: That's so it was interesting to actually hear some of

835
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 7: the character witnesses talk about him and who he was.

836
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 7: He's a really good student. He played the bass in

837
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 7: the orchestra, like the big stand up bas thing. You

838
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 7: know that seems to go against character what you think

839
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 7: of him. So yeah, that was a really interesting day.

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Speaker 1: I thought, person last question quickly here for you, and

841
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Encourage you to go follow Kirsten Fleming

842
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: and read her work at the New York Post. When

843
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: do we expect this case to go to the jury?

844
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: Do we have a sense for when we're going to

845
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: get a resolution here?

846
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 7: So the judge said yesterday today's the first day I'm

847
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 7: not in court. I'm actually off today, but the judge

848
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 7: said yesterday that we could expect to go into the

849
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 7: I think somebations early.

850
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: Next week, so sometime after Thanksgiving this will go to

851
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: the jury, probably because I imagine they'd give them Thanksgiving off.

852
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: Kirsten.

853
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. Keep up the good work and

854
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: we'll get an update from you maybe when we get

855
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: closer to an actual verdict.

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00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 7: Great. Thanks so much, I appreciate it. Have a good weekend, guys, for.

857
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Speaker 2: Sure, you too.

858
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Speaker 1: That's Kirstin Flemingho's been doing great work covering this case,

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at

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Speaker 1: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in

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Speaker 1: play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us. We roll into Thanksgiving week. Congratulations again

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Speaker 1: to Buck Sexton and Carrie who announced that they are

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Speaker 1: going to be having a baby boy in April. And

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Speaker 1: since that announcement we have been absolutely deluged in so

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Speaker 1: many feedback congratulations. I'm sure Buck you can barely keep

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Speaker 1: up with it yourself. I did want to point out

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Speaker 1: that our good friend Jesse Kelly decided to weigh in

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Speaker 1: and said, do we know if there's some kind of

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Speaker 1: record keeping body that tracks which baby has been born

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Speaker 1: with the thickest head of hair in human history? Because

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Speaker 1: whatever baby is currently in the top spot is about

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Speaker 1: to be second place. So that is Jesse's immediate reaction.

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Speaker 1: I will say, thank you Jesse very much. Jesse's a great,

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Speaker 1: a great dad in his own right.

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Speaker 3: I will say that despite some of these rubors, I

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Speaker 3: am no relation to that fan in the stands at

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Speaker 3: an SEC game with the Harris viral.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I know we look related.

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Speaker 3: If those of those of you who know what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about and know what I'm talking about, maybe people

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Speaker 3: will find this on the social media. But everyone asking

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Speaker 3: me to like is this said, No, I do not

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Speaker 3: have a long I don't know how old that guy was.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he could. Yeah, he's probably like

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Speaker 3: twenty or something, right, Yes, college, h kidd, I think yeah, college.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so theoretically he could be my son, but

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Speaker 3: he is not, in fact my son.

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Speaker 2: That was not true, By the way.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this because we just talked thanks

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Speaker 1: to Kirsten Fleming, who was giving us the absolute latest

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Speaker 1: on the Daniel Penny case, because that case has really,

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Speaker 1: I think, flown under the radar a bit because it's

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Speaker 1: happening right as the election voting is taking place election

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Speaker 1: season in general. The absolute latest on the Trump lawfair

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Speaker 1: is that it continues to collapse in record time. In

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Speaker 1: particular Buck earlier today Judge Mrchand this is the New

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Speaker 1: York City Business Record so called hush money case, has

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Speaker 1: decided that he is not going to sentence Trump, and

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Speaker 1: they are going to allow Trump to continue his motion

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Speaker 1: to dismiss that case. I think that case is going

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Speaker 1: to get completely tossed. Buck, and this law fair against Trump,

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Speaker 1: which is clearly self evidently lawfair if you ever questioned it,

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Speaker 1: because as soon as he won the election, Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: drops all of his cases and now basically Judge Murchan

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Speaker 1: is like, yeah, we're not going to sentence. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to do anything with this. If it was really

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Speaker 1: imperative that there be charges filed in this case, then

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Speaker 1: the fact that Trump won the election wouldn't in any

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Speaker 1: way have changed the overall trajectory of the case. In

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Speaker 1: other words, and Buck, we've used this for an example.

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Speaker 1: If Trump had been driving a car and he had

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Speaker 1: hit somebody and there was an accusation that he had

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Speaker 1: been drinking, that case wouldn't go away just because he's

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. It would maintain itself because

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Speaker 1: the general rule is no one is above the law.

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Speaker 1: I think Kat Tempt said at the first time the

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Speaker 1: first person that I heard, no one is below the

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Speaker 1: law either. And I think what you're seeing with all

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Speaker 1: of these cases is they tried to drag Trump down

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Speaker 1: with all of these legal proceedings because they were afraid

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Speaker 1: of him winning the presidency. And now he has and

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this didn't work.

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Speaker 3: That dynamic is very important for him to understand. If

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Speaker 3: you're going to break the precedent of never having a

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Speaker 3: former president and also a now future president indicted, it

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Speaker 3: should have been the most clear cut and you know agree,

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Speaker 3: it should have been a malum in say, not a

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Speaker 3: malum prohibitum. Right, these are the Latin terms. Malaman say

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Speaker 3: it's just bad, like killing a little old lady on

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Speaker 3: the street for no reason. Maluman say, doesn't matter what

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Speaker 3: the law says. You know that's bad, you know that's immoral.

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Speaker 3: Malim prohibitum is like, oh, you know you didn't put

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Speaker 3: this on your taxes properly, and so we got an

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Speaker 3: issue with that or something, right, I mean, it's something

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Speaker 3: that's not really an ethical thing. It's kind of just

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Speaker 3: the state says it's bad, therefore you can be punished

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Speaker 3: for it. They went with something even like it wasn't

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Speaker 3: even malum prohibit it was just made up nonsense.

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Speaker 2: There was no there was no underlying crime.

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Speaker 3: And so to do it under those pre under that pretext,

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Speaker 3: I think is particularly egregious. Clay and one of the

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Speaker 3: things that actually felt the best about the Trump win.

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Speaker 3: And this is enduring and this will be true no

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Speaker 3: matter what is that the first effort to determine a

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Speaker 3: presidential through Blatant's continuous lawfare failed and that's very important

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Speaker 3: for the republic that has real lasting meaning.

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Speaker 1: I do want to play this cut for you and

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Speaker 1: then we'll have some fun to close out the final

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Speaker 1: segment before we head into Thanksgiving week. We have got

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid telling everybody that if you have family members

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Speaker 1: that voted for Trump, you need to stay away from them.

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Speaker 1: This is really what's going on on MSNBC. I think

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Speaker 1: you need to hear it. Here's Joy Reid broken brain,

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Speaker 1: discussing Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: In the wake of the election.

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Speaker 5: People are rightfully alarmed. They have a reason to be alarmed.

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Speaker 5: And if you would vote for that, people may not

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Speaker 5: feel so confident that there's afe of you. This is

986
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Speaker 5: not crazy. This is legitimate feelings, a fear of you,

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Speaker 5: and a feeling that you might not be someone that

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Speaker 5: could trust. If this thing goes way south, ah, potocracy

989
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 5: go south real fast, and things get ugly and people

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Speaker 5: get asked to do things and turn people in and

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Speaker 5: point people out and turn on them. And if you're

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Speaker 5: voting affirmatively, gleefully for this, people might I don't know,

993
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: may not feel so confident in you anymore. That's real

994
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Speaker 5: and you kind of have to live with it. So

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Speaker 5: if you think that you can vote for what people

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Speaker 5: see as their destruction and then demand that they still

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Speaker 5: are cool with you and kikey with you and have

998
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Speaker 5: Thanksgiving with you. Like, I think you're kind of missing

999
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Speaker 5: the point of what people are said about. They're afraid,

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Speaker 5: and autocracy and fascism are things that are legitimate to

1001
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Speaker 5: be afraid of, So you may want to step back.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to live in her delusion. You don't

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Speaker 3: have any mandate to live in this fantasy world that

1004
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Speaker 3: she's portraying of an autocracy that is going to do

1005
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: horrible things to people. You know, and for anybody who's

1006
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Speaker 3: going to say all this stuff about the illegal immigration

1007
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Speaker 3: issue coming up, why doesn't Congress change the law so

1008
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Speaker 3: they're not illegal?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Blame the people on both sides of the guile.

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Speaker 3: If you're an open border zealot for making laws that

1011
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Speaker 3: make them illegal.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is just nuts.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Joy Reid really believes what she

1014
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Speaker 1: is saying, because she's I think she's exectually she's nuts.

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Speaker 1: He's a moron basically, because it was clear, like whatever

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Speaker 1: you think about Joe Scarborough and Mika as soon as

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Speaker 1: they went to go meet actors actors, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something right now, okay, And I wish there's a

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: way we could try this if.

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Speaker 3: Fox News offered Joe Scarborough a nice, fat contract to

1021
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Speaker 3: be the number one Trump supporter in the media, I mean,

1022
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Speaker 3: I mean to make you and me look like radical lefts.

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Speaker 2: I mean you just sit there just shining Trump's throne.

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Speaker 3: He would take it. He would take it, no doubt

1025
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Speaker 3: about it. He'd be like, Wow, I've learned my lesson.

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Speaker 3: Now it's time for me to bring my swoop of

1027
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Speaker 3: hair and Miko over to Fox News. He'd be all

1028
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Speaker 3: about it, wouldn't miss a beat. I think you're right,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if that's better or worse, because

1030
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Speaker 3: that's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good question, right, because joy Reid appears

1032
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Speaker 1: to be a total moron whose brain is broken. But

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Speaker 1: I think I'm with you that I believe she believes

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Speaker 1: what she's saying. She's convinced herself of it.

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Speaker 3: Look, she's she's you know, she is you know, she

1036
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Speaker 3: speaks well, she she presents well on TV, and she

1037
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Speaker 3: obviously has a skill set.

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Speaker 2: And you know, so when we.

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Speaker 3: Say I think it's more a belief thing, it's almost

1040
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Speaker 3: like like anti trump Ism. She's a true lichiever. She's

1041
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Speaker 3: a true believer in this. I mean, yeah, I don't

1042
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Speaker 3: think she's like especially brilliant or anything. I don't think

1043
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Speaker 3: she's ticularly right, But I mean, she's not an idiot,

1044
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Speaker 3: Like she could know the truth here if she wanted to,

1045
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Speaker 3: or I wanted to assume the right thing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it's almost like a degree of brainwashing or self

1047
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Speaker 3: brainwashing or self radicalization really is what you could call it,

1048
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Speaker 3: because she's convinced herself and many other leftists are like

1049
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Speaker 3: this too, many other MSNBC hosts. We can parse it

1050
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Speaker 3: though to your point, Morning Joe is not one of them.

1051
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Speaker 3: He's not a true believers. Why ask for a meeting

1052
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump? If you truly believed he was Hitler

1053
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Speaker 3: and he was going to destroy American democracy, wouldn't you

1054
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: just wouldn't do it?

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Speaker 7: Right?

1056
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Speaker 1: Like if I thought that Kamala Harris was Hitler, I

1057
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, hey, can we have breakfast together?

1058
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't show up for brunch.

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Speaker 1: So I think you can eliminate mourning Joe and Mika

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Speaker 1: and did you see Buch Their audience is furious with them.

1061
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Speaker 1: Their ratings have now hit a four year low since

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Speaker 1: they had that meeting.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say I actually want to give a

1064
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Speaker 3: little round of like, not applause, maybe golf clap to

1065
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Speaker 3: the MSNBC audience. You're not absolute marks, you know, you're

1066
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Speaker 3: not absolute buffoons who enjoy being conned because the hosts

1067
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Speaker 3: that you had were conning you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm happy to see that at least.

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Speaker 3: There is some consequence for the most blatant kind of

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Speaker 3: unprofessional dishonesty. It's not even just it's not I disagree

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Speaker 3: with them, right, I mean, there's lots people I disagree with,

1072
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Speaker 3: but they stick to what they say.

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Speaker 2: And it's that there. They were really.

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Speaker 3: Condescending to the audience, and they're the most egregious example

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Speaker 3: of it. And some people, even though they can't see

1076
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Speaker 3: the truth about Trump, at least recognize. Oh so we

1077
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Speaker 3: were being scammed by these hosts because they were.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls to finish out the week,

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Speaker 1: headed into again Thanksgiving week, we come back eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and two two two eight a two.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to pick. Did you give out a

1082
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: pick yesterday?

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Speaker 3: I did say always bet on mister Pickles, and then

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00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: things got a little wilds Pickles got into a fight

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Speaker 3: George Pickens.

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Speaker 1: In case you're wondering at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: Great game in the snow, but it did not go

1088
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: well for Pickles. Pickles got into it. Let's see what

1089
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: his stats were. I'm pulling those up right now because

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00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: I do want to see if he did have a

1091
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: good game or not. And Pickens had four catches for

1092
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: forty eight yards. Not a bad game, not a great game.

1093
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: It's an OK game. And then he got in a fight.

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Speaker 1: first of all, they're giving us a free square Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hill on the Miami Dolphins Bucks Town right now. If

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Speaker 1: he gets more than a half receiving yard, you win

1099
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Speaker 1: that one. That is impossible to lose. So that is

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Speaker 1: a check mark in our direction. Okay, everybody gets a

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Speaker 1: free square basically. Then I'm gonna go with Jamir Gibbs

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Speaker 1: running back Detroit Lions, formerly of the Alabama Crimson as

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Speaker 1: well as the George Tech Yellowjackets. More than seventy and

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Speaker 1: a half rushing yards. I think he's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: good game. By the way, I think the Detroit Lions

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00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: best team in the NFL. Right now, Drake may quarterback

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Speaker 1: for the New England Patriots, less than two hundred and

1108
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Speaker 1: twenty one and a half and Baker Mayfield two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty five point five passing yards for the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 2: More put it.

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Speaker 1: Simple, more for Baker Mayfield, more for Jamir Gibbs, more

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Speaker 1: for Tyreek Hill on the free square, less passing yards

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Speaker 1: for Drake may If we hit on that, it pays

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Speaker 1: You can play it in Florida where Buck is, Tennessee,

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Speaker 4: pecking U need Turkey

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