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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace caught on video a cold

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Speaker 1: hearted mom throwing her infant into a dumpster, hopping in

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: Hello that one. Yes, we just found the king in

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Speaker 1: the trash behind Uh? Why did your sore? Where are

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Speaker 1: we to mogway? We're behind hogs mar Okay, I'm showing

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Speaker 1: your baby. We would have just found Chile. Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Okay them behind them the hogs free. Okay? Is it

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Speaker 1: cloth in you? Is? Does the baby have any clothes on? Yes?

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Speaker 1: It is making noise. Okay, do you have a blanket?

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Speaker 1: You're a good boy, and he is still alive. I

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Speaker 1: believe he looks pretty good. You are hearing it us

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Speaker 1: for nine one one call when strangers find a baby

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Speaker 1: in a dumpster. Again, I Mancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. All star panel members joining

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Speaker 1: us today to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Kathleen Murphy, trial lawyer out of North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: at ms NC Domestic Law dot Com. Doctor Alan Blockkey,

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Speaker 1: forensic psychologists, joining us out of Birmingham, specializing in criminal

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Speaker 1: child custody and abuse cases. Paul Zyke, former police commander

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Speaker 1: and author of Stop Him From Killing Them on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bernard Cohen joining us today, Professor Pediatrics at Johns

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Speaker 1: Hopkins Children's Center and author of Pediatric Dermatology. But first

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Speaker 1: to our special guests, joining us, Mary Kate Hamilton, CBS

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Speaker 1: seven anchor Joining us, Mary Kate, what alerted these people

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Speaker 1: to a baby in the dumpster? Well, Nancy, they were

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Speaker 1: dumpster diving and they heard what they described as mewing,

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Speaker 1: and they thought that it was a kitten or a puppy,

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Speaker 1: and once they pulled that bag out, they realized it

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Speaker 1: was a baby. And I can't imagine they must have

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Speaker 1: been feeling in that moment a baby in a bag.

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Speaker 1: And of course, straight out to you, Paul Zeke, former

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Speaker 1: police commander and author, When I hear bags in plastic bag,

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Speaker 1: that opens up a lot of possibilities forensic wise, because

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Speaker 1: that's a perfect medium for getting fingerprints a plastic bag, Yes, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: And in addition to that, you've got DNA that could

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Speaker 1: very well be present within that bag as well, and

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Speaker 1: it's minerstanding. There was other trash in that bag, could

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Speaker 1: be receipts, could be other investigative leads that investigators could

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Speaker 1: use to determine who in fact dumped the body. But

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Speaker 1: in this case, you know, really the video is the

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Speaker 1: gold standard that broke Loca. It really is a speaking

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Speaker 1: of receipts, you know, it can be argued the video

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Speaker 1: is grainy. I can't make out a face. Who is

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Speaker 1: this person? Kathleen Murphy. You know you're at nc Domestic

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Speaker 1: Law dot com. But domestic is anything but the cases

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Speaker 1: that you handle, you know, Kathleen Murphy. I've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of dime criminals. But I could absolutely foresee the

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Speaker 1: mom who throws away this baby, or the woman who

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Speaker 1: throws away this baby having her signature on a credit

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Speaker 1: card receipt in that bag. More than that Nancy, I

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Speaker 1: would imagine, because it was the baby, a towel with

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Speaker 1: her DNA, the white bag with trash in it, and

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Speaker 1: she left many many chances to be identified, even driving

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Speaker 1: up in the light of day with her and the

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Speaker 1: like it's trash. Take a listen to more of at

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Speaker 1: him in? Yes? Man, he both in your blank Yeah. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Can I have your name? Huh? Can I have your name? Please?

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Speaker 1: You feel guys in vehicle cords? She said, Okay, can

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Speaker 1: I don't if you don't have to wait the passengers

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Speaker 1: one second. We are behind the mall. You're behind them all, yeah,

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Speaker 1: JOHNS Hopkin's Children's Center. Doctor Cohen, having prosecuted so many

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Speaker 1: hard to gather what she thought would happen. Nancy, real quick,

428
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I just wanted to step in anybody who wanted to

429
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Speaker 1: defend her actions. Keeping in mind New Mexico as a

430
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: safe haven law that is one of the most lenient

431
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: laws in the country. It allows for a mother to

432
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: drop off her child at any fire station, police station

433
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: within ninety days of the birth, no questions asked, no repercussions,

434
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: to turn the baby over to stop things from just

435
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: like this from happening. And that obviously was in place

436
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: here and it still happened. So she had options. She

437
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: had a lot of options as she had to support

438
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: a parents. Time stories with Nancy grace. This child, this

439
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: infant with the umbilical cord still attached, was in that

440
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: dupster for six hours with people throwing trash on top.

441
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: As Mary Kate Hamilton was describing the video, what if

442
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: someone had thrown in an old chair or a very

443
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: heavy bag of trash on top of the baby so

444
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: it couldn't breathe, the baby would have died right there

445
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: in a trash dump thanks to Mommy. Now you are

446
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: hearing doctor Allan Blokey, PhD. And if I'm ever charged

447
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: with murder, I'm certainly going to call him because he's

448
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: making a great case for the murder mom. But let

449
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: me point out how much she's lying. Take a listen

450
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: to our cut eleven. Alexis was given her Miranda warnings

451
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that she did agree to speaking with detectives. During the interviews,

452
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: she said she was not aware because she was pregnant

453
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: until January sixth, twenty two, when she sought medical attention

454
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: for abdominal pain and constipation. She explained it on Friday,

455
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: January seventh, she was experiencing stomach pain and unexpectedly gave birth.

456
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: She further explained that she panicked did not know what

457
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: to do or who to call. She stated that she

458
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: then cut the umbilical cord, wrapped the baby in a towel,

459
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: and placed the baby inside a white trash bag containing

460
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: some trash, and then inside a larger black trash bag.

461
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: She explained that she then started driving around until she

462
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: decided to place the baby inside a green colored dumpster

463
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: near the JC Penny store. Alexis was asked by investigators

464
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: what she thought would eventually happened to the baby by

465
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: placing him inside of a plastic bag and dumping him.

466
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Alexis remained silent and could not answer. So there she's

467
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: saying she didn't know she was pregnant, But we know

468
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: for a fact, do we not? Mary Kate Hamilton from

469
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: CBS seven that she was very open about her pregnancy

470
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: as school and had quit going to school just before

471
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Christmas break, and then told a different story to her boyfriend,

472
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: the bio dad of the child, that she had had

473
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: a miscarriage. Well, I will say, as a journalism entity,

474
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: we have not confirmed that yet. We have received plenty

475
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: of screenshots of snapchats and things like that, but we

476
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: haven't quite confirmed it, so I'm not going to confirm that. However,

477
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: what I will say is yes. She said she did

478
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: not know she was pregnant until she sought medical attention

479
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: for abdominal pain, and there at when she sought medical attention,

480
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: she was told that she was pregnant, and then she

481
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: gave birth unexpectedly. But she knew she was pregnant on

482
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: January sixth, when she sought medical attention for abdominal pain.

483
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: So right there, regarding of that, right there, she knew

484
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: at least before the moment she gave birth in the bathroom,

485
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: she did know. We are told that she was very

486
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: open about her pregnancy at school, that she didn't go

487
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: to school up until Christmas, just before Christmas because at

488
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: the pregnancy, Anne had told her boyfriend that she had

489
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: a miscarriage. Stunningly, she is not behind bars, explained Mary

490
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Kay and Hamilton. Well, she posted a ten thousand dollar bond,

491
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of what is very frustrating

492
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: to people in the community right now. She was in

493
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: jail for one hour and eighteen minutes before she was released,

494
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: and the baby was in the dumpster for over five hours,

495
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: So people around the community are having a really hard

496
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: time reconciling with the fact that she was in jail

497
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: shorter than the baby was in the dumpster, and at

498
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: her hearing yesterday, they have decided that she will not

499
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: have to She will be on house arrest until trial.

500
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: She can go to school, she can go to work,

501
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: she can go to church if her family is there,

502
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: and she can go to a doctor's office and seek

503
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: cycle logical or medical attention as well. And that's something

504
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: that people are having a hard time grappling with. So

505
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: she was in jail less time than the baby was

506
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: in the dumpster. Now I understand that right now there

507
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: is a fight going on to get the baby. Who

508
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: wants the baby? Mary Kate Hamilton. It's allegedly been reported

509
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: that the father of the baby would like the baby.

510
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: How old is he sixteen? Yes, okay, that's a recipe

511
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: for disaster right there. We also understand that grandparents are

512
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: going to fight for the baby. To Kathleen Murphy, another

513
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. If they didn't know their daughter was

514
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: pregnant and she gives birth in the bathroom and tries

515
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to kill the baby, why would they have the baby?

516
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: And with the mom, the bio mom living right there

517
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: in the home, he's already tried to kill the baby once.

518
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. But you know what,

519
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I was in court yesterday, and courts don't do what

520
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: we think they're going to do in domestic cases. They're

521
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: going to make a past of first of all, in

522
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: order for a grandparent to intervene in that case, they

523
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: not only have to have a substantial relationship with the child,

524
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the parents have to be an active litigation. That's in

525
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: North Carolina. So this is not going to be a

526
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: family law case, perhaps, but an adoption case because at

527
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: this juncture, somebody is going to have to have legal

528
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: custody of this baby in such a way that I mean,

529
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: it's either going to be the mother, the father, or

530
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Speaker 1: the grandparents. If Social Services is going to be able

531
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: to even step in in places Chile with the family,

532
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: do you think I trust Social Services? Defects upon Social

533
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: Services on the phone yesterday, No way. Too many children

534
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: have died under their watch. To doctor Allan Blokey, joining

535
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: US clinical forensic psychologist out of Birmingham who is defending

536
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: the alleged murder, Mom, I mean, wow, who should I

537
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: believe you are? My lying eyes, I looked at the

538
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: video blockkey. She wasn't crying, she didn't think twice, she

539
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't hesitate. She threw that baby right in the trash

540
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: and burn, rubber taken off. She couldn't get away fast enough.

541
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: Now I'm hearing about all of her lies. You know what,

542
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: Let me move on with you, Blockie, because I know

543
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: what you're going to say about that. But what do

544
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: you think, doctor Blockkey, about the custody of this baby boy? Well,

545
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, we want this baby boy to be

546
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: with a loving family member, father, grandparents, anybody that's deemed

547
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: to be the best to be able to provide a

548
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: stable and loving and protective environment. Clearly, I mean a

549
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: blood relative. Sure, that's the same family that didn't know

550
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Speaker 1: that the daughter was pregnant. The daughter a blood relative,

551
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: but not one of the ones that made some bad decisions,

552
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: bad decisions. The baby almost died. She threw the baby

553
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: away trying to kill it, Doctor Blockkey. That's more than

554
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: a bad decision. No, this girl should not have custody.

555
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, clearly. I'm talking about a close

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Speaker 1: family member who can who can provide a stable and

557
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: loving home environment. Would that include the girl's mother and father?

558
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it because they're the ones that

559
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: there were part of the problem. You know what, I

560
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: do have to agree with you on that, doctor Blockkey.

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: They are part of the problem, and that may be

562
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: a bitter pill for them to swallow it. But if

563
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: you can't tell your daughter is pregnant and she's gone

564
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: to the doctor with abdominal pain, gives birth in the bathroom,

565
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: and you don't know anything that's going on, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bernard coe In joining me, Professor Pediatrics

567
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: and Dermatology, JOHNS Hopkins Children's Center, author of a pediatric

568
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: dermatology there would have to be multiple symptoms that she

569
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: was pregnant. Yes, I think good. I'm sure surely I

570
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: can't believe that they didn't know she was pregnant, and

571
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: she actually made it in public to her friends in school,

572
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: So I mean, the parents might be in denial, but

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00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: I think they all know that she was pregnant, and

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00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: she knew she was pregnant. You know what's interesting, doctor

575
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: Bernard Cohen, and I'm saying interesting much the way I

576
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: would look at a tarantula under a glass case is

577
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Speaker 1: the large number of children that are wrapped in plastic

578
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: in a bag and thrown away. I mean, of course

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Speaker 1: I can point to taught mom, Casey, Anthony and little

580
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: Kelly being wrapped in a black trash bag and thrown away.

581
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: But it happens quite often. I've got cases here from

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Speaker 1: well actually, you know, take a listen to our cut seventeen.

583
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: This is a Vegas baby in a dumpster all week.

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00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Police asked the community's helped to find the people responsible.

585
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: Officers say they found those people. The baby's parents. Take

586
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: a look at your screen. This is Raoul Ramos and

587
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Adrianna her Nandez. Officers arrested them today. The mother and

588
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: father faced three counts of child abuse or neglect and

589
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: one count of destroying slash concealing evidence. Their three month

590
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: old baby boy was found dead in the dumpster over

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: the weekend. So that is in Las Vegas. Now take

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00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: a listen our cut fourteen, Florida baby in a dumpster.

593
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: This is the dumpster where that crime newborn was found. Now,

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00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: thankfully she was found when she did, she was taken

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: to the hospital. She's expected to be okay. Now, it

596
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: was before they heated, the day before it started raining. Now,

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00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: I asked the Pabbage County Sheriff's office what kind of

598
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Speaker 1: leads they had tonight and they told me that sadly

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Speaker 1: they don't have any. I mean, I could go on

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00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and on and on. I've got twenty pages full of

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Speaker 1: babies and dumpsters and plastic bags. What does that mean,

602
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: doctor Bernard Cohen, when you and Kathleen Murphy, who deals

603
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: with domestic law, see parents every adults every day begging

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00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: to adopt a child, but people, on the other hand

605
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: are throwing them away in trashbacks, Doctor Cohen, I mean,

606
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: from my standpoint, it's insanity. And I mean, I understand

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00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: the potential here that there may be some psych issues

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00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: and that these these abuses parents or families need to

609
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: be evaluated, but certainly these kids need to be protected

610
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: from the setting. That's that's that's him obviously. Well, I

611
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you giving the mother, if I can use that

612
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: term of this little baby boy, the benefit of the

613
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: doubt and suggesting she may have a site issue to

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Speaker 1: Mary Kate Hamilton, and my opinion, which nobody asks for,

615
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: she knew very well what she was doing, and I

616
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: see it very clearly under the law, you're either insane

617
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: or not insane at the time of the act. In

618
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: same means you don't know right from wrong. At the

619
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: time of the incident, she knew right from wrong. She

620
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: hid her pregnancy from her parents, she lied to her

621
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: boyfriend that she had a miscarriage. She doubled, wrapped the

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Speaker 1: baby in trash bags and threw it away and took

623
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Speaker 1: off speeding. She knew what she did was wrong ergo,

624
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: she was saying, what's going to happen to her now?

625
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: And it was a vulnerable victim, Nancy. And I'd like

626
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: to make one comment on the bond this fall. You know,

627
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I think everyone can that's outraged that the mom is

628
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: sitting at home. And by the way, that was ten

629
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollars unsecured bond. It's not ten thousand dollars secured,

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00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: so they'd put up one thousand dollars. That's that's where

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Speaker 1: you go. And keep in mind, this is a product

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Speaker 1: of a national trend called bail reform, and it's not

633
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: only affecting cases like this, but just standard attempted murder

634
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: murder cases, of colonious assault cases. People are literally spending

635
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: less time behind bars than it takes the officers to

636
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: write the report. And that is a reality across the country. Listen.

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00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm not being any harder on this mother, Alexis Avilla,

638
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: than I would be on anyone else that tried to

639
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: murder a baby. We wait as justice a false Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace crime story. Signing off, goodbye friend,