WEBVTT - A 6 Year Old Changes History

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hi. Everyone, Please note a racial slurry said twice

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<v Speaker 1>in this interview at around the twenty four minute mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Please take care while listening. I remember the knock at

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<v Speaker 1>the door and my parents opened the door and four

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<v Speaker 1>very tall white men were standing at the door, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember they had these yellow bands on their arms,

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<v Speaker 1>and my thought then was you know who were they?

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<v Speaker 1>And not really knowing, but I remember the conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember them saying, we are US Marshals and we've been

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<v Speaker 1>sent by the President of the United States. Were here

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<v Speaker 1>to escort you and your daughter to school today. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Bridges, an icon of the civil rights movement. When

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby was six years old, she became the very first

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<v Speaker 1>African American student to desegregate William France Elementary, an all

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<v Speaker 1>white school in Louisiana. She was not only the first,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the only black child attending the school, and

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<v Speaker 1>US marshals had to escort Ruby there to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't harmed by protesters along the way. No one

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<v Speaker 1>told Ruby how monumental this moment was, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>be years before she would put all the pieces together

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<v Speaker 1>and fully appreciate her role in shaping the future of

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights in America. I thought that this was an

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<v Speaker 1>incident that just happened in my community, on my street.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought. I wasn't aware that it was

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<v Speaker 1>so important, that it changed the face of education, and

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<v Speaker 1>that people around the country were familiar with it. I

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<v Speaker 1>did not realize that my walk, my story, was a

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<v Speaker 1>part of a much bigger family, the civil rights family,

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<v Speaker 1>the civil rights movement. On today's show, we hear the

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<v Speaker 1>story of how six year old Ruby Bridges changed the

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<v Speaker 1>course of history. I'm Maya Shunker, and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>slight change of plants, a show about who we are

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<v Speaker 1>and who we become in the face of a big change.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Bridges was born in nineteen fifty four, the same

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<v Speaker 1>year the US Supreme Court issued its landmark ruling in

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<v Speaker 1>Brown Versus Board of Education. Up until that point, public

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<v Speaker 1>schools were allowed to segregate on the basis of race,

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<v Speaker 1>but in Brown v. Board, the Supreme Court declared segregated

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<v Speaker 1>schools to be inherently unequal in rule that it was

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<v Speaker 1>unconstitutional to racially segate children in public schools. Despite this ruling,

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<v Speaker 1>states in the South resisted the Court's order and segregation continued,

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually a federal judge ordered the New Orleans School

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<v Speaker 1>Board to act, and after years of resistance, they finally

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<v Speaker 1>initiated a plan to integrate two white schools, starting with

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<v Speaker 1>students in the first grade. Still, the board did not

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<v Speaker 1>make it easy. They introduced a number of new requirements

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<v Speaker 1>just for black students. One of these requirements was an

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<v Speaker 1>entrance exam, and nearly one hundred and forty perspective first

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<v Speaker 1>graders took the test. A handful of them passed, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Bridges was one of them. Ruby, the NAACP shows

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<v Speaker 1>up at your doorstep in the summer to tell your

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<v Speaker 1>parents that you've passed this test and you're now allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to attend William France Elementary School. I'm wondering how your

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<v Speaker 1>parents responded to this news. My mother was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who really initiated this, and I think, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, like most moms, they want, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the best for their children. And not to say that

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<v Speaker 1>my father didn't want that, but my father had just

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<v Speaker 1>recently gotten out of the service where he fought in

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<v Speaker 1>the Korean War, and a segregated branch of the military.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt like if you could be on the battlefield

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<v Speaker 1>next to a white soldier fighting for the same country,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet at the end of the day, if you lived,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't go back to the same barracks together. Because

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<v Speaker 1>he was black and his counterpart was white. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>eat in the same mess haul together. So he felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>why send me to this integrated school facing all of

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<v Speaker 1>the problems that could have happened, because things wouldn't change anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really how he felt. But I do believe

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<v Speaker 1>that they were very excited that I'd passed the test,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, your mom eventually convinces your dad, who's

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<v Speaker 1>on the fence, right, and they do decide to enroll

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<v Speaker 1>you in William, France that fall, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know there were delays because of increased resistance from opposition,

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<v Speaker 1>but you do end up having an enrollment date of

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<v Speaker 1>November fourteenth, nineteen sixty and the night before your first day,

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<v Speaker 1>your mom tells you that you'll be joining a new school,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't tell you much more than that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I grew up in an era where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you were seen and really not heard. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we could not even be in the same room with

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<v Speaker 1>adults when they were having grown up conversation. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like they were gonna sit me down and explain everything

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<v Speaker 1>to me. You know. It was only on a need

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<v Speaker 1>to know basis. That's, you know, how they felt. So

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing they said is Ruby, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a new school today, and you better behave now.

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember taking the test, you know, weeks before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't privileged to what the test was about

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<v Speaker 1>what all of that meant. I just knew that I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be going to a new school. And

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<v Speaker 1>like most kids, you're a little bit nervous when you

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<v Speaker 1>have to switch schools because you're going to leave your

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<v Speaker 1>old friends and you know, and your teacher in the

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<v Speaker 1>school that I had just gotten used to because I

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<v Speaker 1>was only there for kindergarten, so that was it. And also, Ruby,

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<v Speaker 1>you better behave, And that's what I was concentrating on,

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<v Speaker 1>is behaving. I'm wondering, Ruby, if you can bring us

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<v Speaker 1>back to that first morning when you were getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>for your new school. Well, I remember that morning because

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<v Speaker 1>I had already had a first day. I had had

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<v Speaker 1>a first day of the year before, and yet this

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<v Speaker 1>first day was totally different. You know, neighbors were coming

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<v Speaker 1>over my mother's friends were coming to dress me for school,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I had all these beautiful new things

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<v Speaker 1>to where that really didn't happen when I started kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just seemed like the house was full of

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<v Speaker 1>people and it was all centered around me going to school,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that in itself was very different. Did I

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<v Speaker 1>feel special? Yes? I felt really special for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of fact, in my tiny six year

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<v Speaker 1>old mind, remembering the test that I had taken and

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<v Speaker 1>how excited everybody you are was about the test. I

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<v Speaker 1>really thought that the reason why this was so different,

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<v Speaker 1>and so many people were excited and congratulating my parents

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, oh my goodness, she's so smart. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I really felt like, okay, that test must have been

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<v Speaker 1>so important and no other kids could pass it that

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<v Speaker 1>now I am going from first grade straight to college.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought. I thought everybody was so excited because

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<v Speaker 1>it just had never seen a six year old goes

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<v Speaker 1>straight to college. But you know, that's the imagination of

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<v Speaker 1>a child in the innocence that protected me during that time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember that back and forth, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the knock at the door and my parents opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door and four very tall white men were standing

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<v Speaker 1>at the door, and I remember they had these yellow

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<v Speaker 1>bands on their arms, and my thought then was who

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<v Speaker 1>were they? And not really knowing, but I remember the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them saying, we're us Marshals, and we've been

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<v Speaker 1>sent by the President of the United States. We're here

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<v Speaker 1>to escort you and your daughter to school today, And

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<v Speaker 1>even then it just felt so important. I remember us

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the car with them. Two of them sat

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<v Speaker 1>in the front seat and two in the back. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom and I got into the car with them and

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<v Speaker 1>we started this very art drive to my new school.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even some of the neighbors they seemed ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go as well, and we got in a car,

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<v Speaker 1>we started to drive, and all of the neighbors actually

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<v Speaker 1>walked behind the car. Wow, did the federal marshals give

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<v Speaker 1>you instructions about what to do when you arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the school? Not really me, but I overheard the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>where they were talking to my mom about how we

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<v Speaker 1>should get out of the car, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember them saying this, bridges will get out first, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>surround you in your daughter. We want you to walk

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<v Speaker 1>straight ahead and don't look back. I remembered that I

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<v Speaker 1>did see all of the people standing out in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the school when we drove up. But again, living

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<v Speaker 1>here in New Orleans and being accustomed to mighty gras,

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<v Speaker 1>you know something that every kid here in the city

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<v Speaker 1>looks forward to. When I saw all of the people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I saw barricades, you know where the people

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<v Speaker 1>were standing behind the barricades. I saw police officers on

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<v Speaker 1>motorcycles and horseback. All of that actually happens during my degras,

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<v Speaker 1>because at any given time, you could be in your

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<v Speaker 1>car and stumbled into a parade and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in your car and wait till the parade passes. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I say that to say that I did

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<v Speaker 1>not feel a need to be afraid. Ruby, You're I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I have this visual in my head, right there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>people protesting and screaming and rebelling against integration. And from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand, you know, the community knew that there

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<v Speaker 1>would be some schools that would need to integrate that day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't know which ones, right, So the parents

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<v Speaker 1>in this school are finding out in real time that

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<v Speaker 1>their children's school is the one that's being integrated. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that right? Yes, I mean, the schools were kept secret,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I guess what created the crowd that morning

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<v Speaker 1>is parents showing up to bring their kids to school,

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<v Speaker 1>but they waited outside to see if indeed it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be their school. And that school normally holds

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<v Speaker 1>about five hundred kids, so you can imagine all of

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<v Speaker 1>the parents that were waiting around out in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the school. And so finally when I drove up, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was their school. And so the minute I

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<v Speaker 1>was escorted inside of the building, the federal marshals escorted

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and I straight to the principal's office and

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<v Speaker 1>we went into the principal's office and took a seat

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<v Speaker 1>where I was waiting to be assigned to a class.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next thing that happened is all of those

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<v Speaker 1>parents that had been waiting outside, they immediately rushed inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the building. And as I was sitting there in

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<v Speaker 1>the office with my mom, you know, behind these glass windows,

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<v Speaker 1>the federal marshals were standing right outside the door, so

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<v Speaker 1>no one could actually come into the office, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were passing the office and I could see them and

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<v Speaker 1>they would pass the window, and then you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes later, I would see them come back by

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<v Speaker 1>the window and there were kids with them. So that

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<v Speaker 1>kept happening all morning, back and forth, and I watched

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<v Speaker 1>that the whole day. Finally the bell rang and the

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<v Speaker 1>principal came into the office and she said school was dismissed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can leave. And I remember thinking, Wow, college is easy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because nothing happened. And I was expecting something

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<v Speaker 1>to happen that day, but it didn't because parents went

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<v Speaker 1>into every classroom, they pulled out every child and they

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<v Speaker 1>never came back. Ruby. When you leave school on that

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<v Speaker 1>first day and you head home with your mom with

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<v Speaker 1>these federal marshals, what do you remember from that evening?

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<v Speaker 1>I was excited, you know, in my mind, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad day that day. Or my father, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, you know, how was your day, and I

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<v Speaker 1>said it was, you know, it was good, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much it. There wasn't a conversation between us.

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember my mom saying when she got home,

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<v Speaker 1>she turned a television set on and she could see

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<v Speaker 1>the whole country was actually watching what was happening. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that either one of them expected that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember her saying, oh my god, what have

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<v Speaker 1>I done. There was no way of them knowing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how this was going to play out. They were told

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<v Speaker 1>to expect some opposition, and that's why the Federal marshals

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<v Speaker 1>were there. I know they expected that, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe they expected what she actually saw that day. On

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<v Speaker 1>the second day of school, from what I've read, the

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<v Speaker 1>protesting seems to intensify even more absolutely because after the

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<v Speaker 1>first day, then the whole country knew which school it was,

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<v Speaker 1>so people gathered forces. They were chanting and screaming and

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<v Speaker 1>shouting all sorts of threats. I think for the most

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<v Speaker 1>part I must have blocked that out, but definitely from photographs,

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<v Speaker 1>from footage that I seen after the fact, they were chanting,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna hang her, We're gonna poison her. The federal

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<v Speaker 1>marshals took those threats very seriously. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I was never allowed to have lunch cafeteria because of

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<v Speaker 1>the threats about poisoning me and my mother had to

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<v Speaker 1>prepare my lunch and I would have to eat my

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<v Speaker 1>lunch at my desk and not go to the cafeteria

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<v Speaker 1>because they were concerned about that. But yes, they were

0:15:24.196 --> 0:15:30.476
<v Speaker 1>making all sorts of threats protesters carried a small box

0:15:31.756 --> 0:15:36.836
<v Speaker 1>and it was actually a baby's coffin, and they put

0:15:36.836 --> 0:15:41.636
<v Speaker 1>this black doll inside of the box and they would

0:15:41.676 --> 0:15:45.036
<v Speaker 1>march around the school with it. And so whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>would see the box, that's what would really frighten me

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything. I wasn't I don't really remember being

0:15:52.436 --> 0:15:56.076
<v Speaker 1>frightened of the crowd, but when I had to pass

0:15:56.156 --> 0:16:03.316
<v Speaker 1>the box, I would have nightmares about the box. And

0:16:03.396 --> 0:16:05.876
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to who's going to teach you, all

0:16:05.876 --> 0:16:08.436
<v Speaker 1>of the white teachers at the school, which are all

0:16:08.476 --> 0:16:11.716
<v Speaker 1>the teachers at school, refused to teach you. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a teacher from Boston, Missus Henry, who ends up

0:16:15.236 --> 0:16:19.396
<v Speaker 1>being your teacher for the year. Well, teachers actually quit

0:16:19.436 --> 0:16:24.516
<v Speaker 1>their jobs across the city, thinking that maybe their school

0:16:24.556 --> 0:16:26.956
<v Speaker 1>was going to be integrated. You know, our guest teachers

0:16:26.996 --> 0:16:30.556
<v Speaker 1>who could afford to quit their jobs or maybe switched

0:16:30.596 --> 0:16:32.916
<v Speaker 1>to other schools. They did that. The few teachers that

0:16:33.036 --> 0:16:35.836
<v Speaker 1>remained in the school really did not want to have

0:16:35.916 --> 0:16:39.516
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with me. Missus Henry had come from

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<v Speaker 1>Boston because her husband was also in the military and

0:16:42.876 --> 0:16:46.116
<v Speaker 1>he was stationed right outside of New Orleans. So she

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for a teacher's position had no idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we were about to go into this integration process, not

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<v Speaker 1>that it mattered anything to her because she was accustomed

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<v Speaker 1>to teaching on military basis, where you know, they were

0:17:04.236 --> 0:17:10.316
<v Speaker 1>kids of different nationalities and backgrounds. So she said that

0:17:10.396 --> 0:17:13.316
<v Speaker 1>it really didn't matter to her what I looked like.

0:17:14.596 --> 0:17:17.196
<v Speaker 1>I've heard her say that. She asked if it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an integrated school, and she said they

0:17:19.996 --> 0:17:23.876
<v Speaker 1>said yes. They didn't tell her when you get here, yes,

0:17:23.996 --> 0:17:27.956
<v Speaker 1>today it will be. So I met her on the

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<v Speaker 1>second day, and I remember when I went into the

0:17:31.076 --> 0:17:34.876
<v Speaker 1>building and it was so very quiet, because you know,

0:17:34.916 --> 0:17:37.996
<v Speaker 1>everybody was gone. Yeah, you could hear pin drop when

0:17:37.996 --> 0:17:42.116
<v Speaker 1>I walked up the stairs, and our footsteps echoed in

0:17:42.156 --> 0:17:45.676
<v Speaker 1>the hallways. And when I got to the top of

0:17:45.716 --> 0:17:48.956
<v Speaker 1>the stairs, the principal said, your classes down the hall

0:17:49.676 --> 0:17:52.196
<v Speaker 1>and those federal marshalls. They turned me around and they

0:17:52.196 --> 0:17:56.316
<v Speaker 1>walked me down the hall and to the classroom. When

0:17:56.356 --> 0:17:59.436
<v Speaker 1>I got there, the door opened and this woman stepped

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<v Speaker 1>out and she said, Hi, my name is missus Henry.

0:18:03.156 --> 0:18:06.516
<v Speaker 1>I'm your teacher. And I remember looking at her and

0:18:06.596 --> 0:18:11.436
<v Speaker 1>thinking she's white, because I had never seen a white

0:18:11.436 --> 0:18:16.636
<v Speaker 1>teacher before. I had recently come from an all black

0:18:16.636 --> 0:18:21.436
<v Speaker 1>school where everybody looked like me until this very day

0:18:21.476 --> 0:18:25.356
<v Speaker 1>that the law was being implemented, and not to mention.

0:18:25.476 --> 0:18:27.316
<v Speaker 1>When I looked at her, you know, she looked exactly

0:18:27.316 --> 0:18:33.196
<v Speaker 1>like the crowd outside. So I didn't I didn't really

0:18:33.356 --> 0:18:39.156
<v Speaker 1>know how to receive her, you know, I didn't know

0:18:39.636 --> 0:18:42.996
<v Speaker 1>what she was going to be like. Everyone outside seemed

0:18:43.036 --> 0:18:47.396
<v Speaker 1>really angry. But I remember her saying, you know, come

0:18:47.436 --> 0:18:51.396
<v Speaker 1>in and take a seat. And as I stood there,

0:18:51.436 --> 0:18:53.836
<v Speaker 1>I looked inside of the classroom and there were nothing

0:18:53.836 --> 0:18:58.596
<v Speaker 1>but empty desk. So immediately I remember thinking, well, my

0:18:58.676 --> 0:19:02.996
<v Speaker 1>mom has brought me to school too early, because nobody

0:19:03.676 --> 0:19:07.876
<v Speaker 1>was in the building, let alone in that empty classroom.

0:19:07.956 --> 0:19:09.756
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I went in and I took a seat.

0:19:10.676 --> 0:19:12.876
<v Speaker 1>My mother sat in the back of the class, and

0:19:13.036 --> 0:19:19.036
<v Speaker 1>missus Henry began to teach me. And right away I

0:19:19.156 --> 0:19:26.876
<v Speaker 1>liked her. She made me feel safe. I knew that

0:19:26.956 --> 0:19:34.716
<v Speaker 1>she liked me just the way she behaved, and she

0:19:35.916 --> 0:19:40.356
<v Speaker 1>made school fun for me. I remember leaving being excited

0:19:40.396 --> 0:19:44.036
<v Speaker 1>about my first day with her, and as time went on,

0:19:44.396 --> 0:19:49.396
<v Speaker 1>you know, I began to see her as just another mom,

0:19:49.436 --> 0:19:53.236
<v Speaker 1>you know, my school mother, because it was always just

0:19:53.356 --> 0:19:56.676
<v Speaker 1>her and I and I knew that if once I

0:19:56.716 --> 0:19:58.796
<v Speaker 1>passed the crowd and got inside of the building, I

0:19:58.916 --> 0:20:00.236
<v Speaker 1>knew it was going to have a great day. It

0:20:00.356 --> 0:20:05.396
<v Speaker 1>was because of her. You know, she showed me her heart,

0:20:06.716 --> 0:20:12.076
<v Speaker 1>and I knew that she was different. Even though she

0:20:12.236 --> 0:20:20.156
<v Speaker 1>looked like the people outside, she was different. And you know,

0:20:20.236 --> 0:20:22.516
<v Speaker 1>the beauty of it all is that I made a

0:20:22.516 --> 0:20:24.556
<v Speaker 1>friend at six years old that I am still friends

0:20:24.556 --> 0:20:28.316
<v Speaker 1>with today. You know, she's still alive and she's still

0:20:28.356 --> 0:20:33.956
<v Speaker 1>my best friend. I read that missus Henry would start

0:20:33.996 --> 0:20:37.036
<v Speaker 1>each day with a hug, that she would sit side

0:20:37.036 --> 0:20:39.996
<v Speaker 1>by side with you in your cozy corner of the room,

0:20:40.196 --> 0:20:44.516
<v Speaker 1>and because federal marshals wouldn't let you go outside for recess,

0:20:44.516 --> 0:20:46.636
<v Speaker 1>she would get really creative in the classroom. Right, She'd

0:20:46.636 --> 0:20:49.156
<v Speaker 1>move furniture around, and just the two of you would

0:20:49.156 --> 0:20:52.116
<v Speaker 1>do jumping Jackson place because you couldn't do physical ed.

0:20:53.756 --> 0:20:57.156
<v Speaker 1>It was just so moving to hear about the way

0:20:57.156 --> 0:21:03.556
<v Speaker 1>that she embraced it's very complex role. Yes, we had

0:21:03.556 --> 0:21:09.756
<v Speaker 1>our own little world in that room that was hours

0:21:09.836 --> 0:21:13.356
<v Speaker 1>safe haven. I mean you could hear them from the windows,

0:21:13.796 --> 0:21:17.636
<v Speaker 1>screaming and chanting and shouting and there were days when

0:21:17.676 --> 0:21:19.396
<v Speaker 1>she would turn up and said, oh, we're gonna have

0:21:19.516 --> 0:21:21.956
<v Speaker 1>music today, and she turned this little music box up.

0:21:22.876 --> 0:21:26.276
<v Speaker 1>But yes, everything we did we did in that classroom.

0:21:26.316 --> 0:21:31.596
<v Speaker 1>I remember the very first fieldship that I had was

0:21:32.116 --> 0:21:36.156
<v Speaker 1>actually seeing my school building because they would bring me

0:21:36.156 --> 0:21:38.516
<v Speaker 1>out one flight of stairs every morning and down that

0:21:38.556 --> 0:21:41.796
<v Speaker 1>same flight every afternoon, so I never had a chance

0:21:41.796 --> 0:21:47.316
<v Speaker 1>to see the entire school. And to you know, one

0:21:47.396 --> 0:21:50.956
<v Speaker 1>day that happened and she and the federal marshals just

0:21:51.036 --> 0:21:54.796
<v Speaker 1>walked me around the whole school, and that was the

0:21:54.876 --> 0:21:58.116
<v Speaker 1>day that I was able to go to the cafeteria.

0:21:58.196 --> 0:22:01.476
<v Speaker 1>I was excited about that. I could still smell the

0:22:01.516 --> 0:22:04.596
<v Speaker 1>food cooking because they were still cooking for the other

0:22:04.676 --> 0:22:07.756
<v Speaker 1>teachers or maybe for any other students that would show up.

0:22:08.316 --> 0:22:10.316
<v Speaker 1>So I would smell all the food and it would

0:22:10.356 --> 0:22:13.836
<v Speaker 1>remind me of what school was like at my old school,

0:22:15.036 --> 0:22:17.436
<v Speaker 1>where you know, when the bell rang, we all ran

0:22:17.556 --> 0:22:22.116
<v Speaker 1>to the cafeteria and had lunch together. And this school

0:22:22.156 --> 0:22:26.676
<v Speaker 1>was different because that didn't happen. It was very different.

0:22:26.796 --> 0:22:30.156
<v Speaker 1>And I was constantly trying to put the pieces together

0:22:31.356 --> 0:22:36.036
<v Speaker 1>to figure out why this environment was so different. And

0:22:36.116 --> 0:22:40.156
<v Speaker 1>did you ever ask missus Henry directly, Hey, what's going

0:22:40.196 --> 0:22:44.836
<v Speaker 1>on here? Why am I the only kid in your class? No?

0:22:45.876 --> 0:22:48.676
<v Speaker 1>And again I think that that goes back to the

0:22:48.716 --> 0:22:52.116
<v Speaker 1>way I was raised. I do remember saying to her

0:22:52.156 --> 0:22:55.556
<v Speaker 1>and Missus Henry, I hear kids. Because later in the year,

0:22:56.356 --> 0:22:58.996
<v Speaker 1>there were some white parents who tried to cross that

0:22:59.076 --> 0:23:04.076
<v Speaker 1>same picket line to bring their kids to school. The

0:23:04.116 --> 0:23:06.196
<v Speaker 1>principal would take the kids and she would hide them

0:23:07.436 --> 0:23:10.236
<v Speaker 1>so I would never see them and they would never

0:23:10.276 --> 0:23:12.716
<v Speaker 1>see me. But every time I went into this coat

0:23:12.716 --> 0:23:14.756
<v Speaker 1>closet to hang up my coat, I could hear them,

0:23:15.676 --> 0:23:19.316
<v Speaker 1>and I would mention that to missus Henry. I would say,

0:23:19.316 --> 0:23:22.956
<v Speaker 1>Missus Henry, I hear kids, and Missus Henry would just

0:23:22.996 --> 0:23:27.276
<v Speaker 1>ignore me. She wouldn't say anything. I later realized that

0:23:27.316 --> 0:23:31.516
<v Speaker 1>Missus Henry wasn't just ignoring me. She was going to

0:23:31.556 --> 0:23:35.916
<v Speaker 1>the principle and advocating for me, saying that the laws

0:23:35.996 --> 0:23:39.556
<v Speaker 1>changed and kids can be together now, but you are

0:23:39.756 --> 0:23:42.836
<v Speaker 1>hiding them from Ruby. If you don't allow them to

0:23:42.876 --> 0:23:45.076
<v Speaker 1>come together with Ruby, I'm gonna report you to the

0:23:45.116 --> 0:23:51.756
<v Speaker 1>superintendent because the laws changed, And so they made a

0:23:51.836 --> 0:23:56.036
<v Speaker 1>decision that she could take me to where the kids were,

0:23:56.996 --> 0:24:01.556
<v Speaker 1>but still the kids could not come into my classroom,

0:24:02.996 --> 0:24:07.036
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we were taken outside, which I was

0:24:07.076 --> 0:24:09.916
<v Speaker 1>really excited about. And that only happened once or twice

0:24:09.956 --> 0:24:13.836
<v Speaker 1>that year. What were your interactions like with those other

0:24:13.916 --> 0:24:18.276
<v Speaker 1>kids in the short moments you had together. I remember

0:24:18.316 --> 0:24:21.316
<v Speaker 1>that the first day that happened. I remember being so

0:24:21.356 --> 0:24:26.356
<v Speaker 1>excited because I spent like months searching, you know, and

0:24:26.396 --> 0:24:29.836
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure all of this out, and wishing every

0:24:29.956 --> 0:24:34.556
<v Speaker 1>day that kids would show up. And finally when missus

0:24:34.556 --> 0:24:36.396
<v Speaker 1>Henry was allowed to take me to where they were,

0:24:36.476 --> 0:24:40.596
<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, I knew I heard kids, you know,

0:24:40.956 --> 0:24:43.876
<v Speaker 1>and just excited. I didn't care what they looked like.

0:24:43.956 --> 0:24:46.676
<v Speaker 1>I mean, any six year old would be excited to

0:24:46.796 --> 0:24:50.556
<v Speaker 1>now have an opportunity to make friends. But honestly, that

0:24:50.676 --> 0:24:54.996
<v Speaker 1>was the day that everything came together for me because

0:24:55.036 --> 0:24:57.196
<v Speaker 1>a little boy looked at me and he said, I

0:24:57.236 --> 0:25:00.356
<v Speaker 1>can't play with you. My mom said not to play

0:25:00.356 --> 0:25:04.716
<v Speaker 1>with you because you're a nigger. And I remember that

0:25:04.796 --> 0:25:09.996
<v Speaker 1>to this very day because I remember looking at him

0:25:10.116 --> 0:25:16.276
<v Speaker 1>and feeling like this weight lifted off my shoulders. And

0:25:16.356 --> 0:25:21.356
<v Speaker 1>when I say wait, it was like months. I'm trying

0:25:21.396 --> 0:25:27.756
<v Speaker 1>to piece it together. I'm trying to figure out why

0:25:27.876 --> 0:25:34.196
<v Speaker 1>the school is empty, Why there's no kids that show

0:25:34.276 --> 0:25:38.756
<v Speaker 1>up day after day? Why can't I have lunch in

0:25:38.796 --> 0:25:43.916
<v Speaker 1>the cafeteria. So in my mind the whole time, I'm

0:25:43.956 --> 0:25:49.036
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure it out what's going on. And the

0:25:49.116 --> 0:25:53.836
<v Speaker 1>little boy looked at me and he told me when

0:25:53.836 --> 0:25:56.956
<v Speaker 1>he said, I can't play with you, my mom said

0:25:57.036 --> 0:26:05.556
<v Speaker 1>not to because you're a nigger. I then realized, so

0:26:05.716 --> 0:26:13.756
<v Speaker 1>that's why there's no kids here. It's about me. It's

0:26:13.836 --> 0:26:22.396
<v Speaker 1>not my girl, and this isn't college. It's about me.

0:26:26.116 --> 0:26:28.316
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in a moment with a slight change

0:26:28.316 --> 0:26:43.956
<v Speaker 1>of plans. Ruby Bridges was never told why she spent

0:26:44.076 --> 0:26:47.636
<v Speaker 1>every day at William France Elementary School with just her teacher,

0:26:47.716 --> 0:26:51.836
<v Speaker 1>Missus Henry, and no other kids, but Ruby eventually figured

0:26:51.876 --> 0:26:53.836
<v Speaker 1>it out when she was allowed to interact with a

0:26:53.836 --> 0:26:56.556
<v Speaker 1>few of the white kids at the school. Ruby was

0:26:56.596 --> 0:26:59.196
<v Speaker 1>called a racial slur by one of the kids, and

0:26:59.276 --> 0:27:01.276
<v Speaker 1>the truth of what was really going on in her

0:27:01.276 --> 0:27:07.596
<v Speaker 1>school became clear to her. My first encounter with racism

0:27:07.916 --> 0:27:12.036
<v Speaker 1>was with this little five or six year old boy.

0:27:14.276 --> 0:27:20.796
<v Speaker 1>And even though he called me that name, I mean I,

0:27:21.756 --> 0:27:24.876
<v Speaker 1>first of all, that wasn't my name. And second, I

0:27:24.996 --> 0:27:29.676
<v Speaker 1>was accustomed to hearing that word whenever we would go

0:27:29.716 --> 0:27:37.236
<v Speaker 1>back to Mississippi, where my grandparents were, and so I

0:27:37.356 --> 0:27:39.556
<v Speaker 1>knew that it was about the color of my skin.

0:27:42.796 --> 0:27:45.916
<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't angry with him because I didn't feel

0:27:45.996 --> 0:27:50.676
<v Speaker 1>like and I don't know, for some reason, I didn't

0:27:50.676 --> 0:27:55.196
<v Speaker 1>feel like he didn't want to play with me. Maybe

0:27:55.196 --> 0:27:58.156
<v Speaker 1>it was the way he looked at me, maybe it

0:27:58.196 --> 0:28:01.436
<v Speaker 1>was the way he said it. I don't know, but

0:28:01.916 --> 0:28:05.116
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't angry with him because I felt like he

0:28:05.236 --> 0:28:08.236
<v Speaker 1>was explaining to me why he couldn't play with me.

0:28:09.356 --> 0:28:11.836
<v Speaker 1>Like if my mom has said Ruby, don't play with him.

0:28:13.036 --> 0:28:23.356
<v Speaker 1>He's Asian, he's Indian, he's white, he's mixed race, he's Jewish,

0:28:23.476 --> 0:28:27.236
<v Speaker 1>I would not have played with him. And maybe if

0:28:27.276 --> 0:28:33.316
<v Speaker 1>you asked me, I would have actually been brutally honest

0:28:33.316 --> 0:28:38.636
<v Speaker 1>and say because my mom told me not to. You

0:28:38.756 --> 0:28:44.316
<v Speaker 1>have this conversation with your white classmate, and you're given

0:28:44.756 --> 0:28:48.516
<v Speaker 1>clarity around why your situation at school is the way

0:28:48.516 --> 0:28:52.876
<v Speaker 1>it is. As you describe that, there's a freeing quality

0:28:52.916 --> 0:28:56.076
<v Speaker 1>to it because suddenly Ruby's six year old brain can

0:28:56.116 --> 0:29:02.796
<v Speaker 1>make sense of it. But at the same time, it's

0:29:02.836 --> 0:29:06.396
<v Speaker 1>also a horrifying realization that this is what is happening.

0:29:07.156 --> 0:29:12.276
<v Speaker 1>And I'm wondering how you responded to that part. You're right.

0:29:13.196 --> 0:29:19.156
<v Speaker 1>It was bitter and sweet that moment. You're right, it

0:29:19.316 --> 0:29:26.516
<v Speaker 1>was an aha moment like now I know, and then

0:29:26.676 --> 0:29:33.276
<v Speaker 1>sad because he just told me that I wasn't good enough. Yeah,

0:29:35.636 --> 0:29:39.436
<v Speaker 1>as if there was something wrong with me. Do you

0:29:39.436 --> 0:29:43.516
<v Speaker 1>remember telling your parents that night about this conversation. No,

0:29:44.276 --> 0:29:49.716
<v Speaker 1>you just kept it to yourself. Yeah. It's a lot

0:29:49.756 --> 0:29:59.276
<v Speaker 1>to carry, yes, yes, that is a lot to put

0:29:59.316 --> 0:30:03.956
<v Speaker 1>onto a six year old. You know, it's all the

0:30:04.156 --> 0:30:13.556
<v Speaker 1>mind of a child, and how I coped with it.

0:30:13.556 --> 0:30:20.276
<v Speaker 1>It's an innocence, and I think, I mean not to

0:30:20.316 --> 0:30:22.476
<v Speaker 1>downplay it, but I think so many people feel like

0:30:22.516 --> 0:30:26.596
<v Speaker 1>it's so profound, it's so whatever, But it's it's just

0:30:26.716 --> 0:30:31.556
<v Speaker 1>the innocence of a child. Yeah, I mean, I think

0:30:33.436 --> 0:30:35.836
<v Speaker 1>I think one of the reasons it is so profound

0:30:36.196 --> 0:30:40.516
<v Speaker 1>is because a situation like that almost demands the innocence

0:30:40.556 --> 0:30:42.956
<v Speaker 1>of a child to make it bearable, to make it

0:30:43.076 --> 0:30:46.676
<v Speaker 1>something a human being can survive. And you know what,

0:30:46.756 --> 0:30:52.436
<v Speaker 1>You're right, You're absolutely right. And that's why I think

0:30:53.516 --> 0:30:56.996
<v Speaker 1>whether my parents understood it, what they were doing, or

0:30:56.996 --> 0:31:01.756
<v Speaker 1>whether it was just a sign of the times that

0:31:01.796 --> 0:31:05.596
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in where you didn't ask questions and

0:31:05.716 --> 0:31:09.756
<v Speaker 1>that's the way my parents were raised. So they didn't

0:31:11.116 --> 0:31:14.516
<v Speaker 1>try to switch things up and say, oh, now we're

0:31:14.556 --> 0:31:17.556
<v Speaker 1>going to explain everything to a child. They were not

0:31:17.676 --> 0:31:19.676
<v Speaker 1>raised that way and that was not the way they

0:31:19.756 --> 0:31:26.596
<v Speaker 1>raised us. So they just did things the way they

0:31:26.636 --> 0:31:29.596
<v Speaker 1>normally did and felt like there's no need to tell

0:31:29.596 --> 0:31:39.636
<v Speaker 1>her anything. And yet that was what saved me, that

0:31:39.716 --> 0:31:48.676
<v Speaker 1>allowed me to have this coping mechanism. But you know, afterwards,

0:31:48.956 --> 0:31:54.436
<v Speaker 1>the very next year, the protesters were gone. Schools were

0:31:54.516 --> 0:31:57.556
<v Speaker 1>then integrated across the city. The kids came back to

0:31:57.676 --> 0:32:01.596
<v Speaker 1>the school for second grade. For me, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>my life changed all over again, because I remember, after

0:32:05.676 --> 0:32:09.036
<v Speaker 1>some a vacation running back to that classroom so excited

0:32:09.116 --> 0:32:12.836
<v Speaker 1>about seeing Missus Henry. Was a new year, And the

0:32:12.876 --> 0:32:15.156
<v Speaker 1>minute I got to the classroom, it was almost like

0:32:16.836 --> 0:32:21.836
<v Speaker 1>somebody clapped their hands and the carriage was gone and

0:32:21.876 --> 0:32:26.556
<v Speaker 1>it turned into a pumpkin, and Missus Henry wasn't standing there.

0:32:27.796 --> 0:32:31.596
<v Speaker 1>The classroom did not even look like the same classroom anymore.

0:32:32.996 --> 0:32:35.316
<v Speaker 1>It was a new teacher. She had put up new

0:32:35.356 --> 0:32:38.036
<v Speaker 1>things in the class. It really was not my class.

0:32:39.316 --> 0:32:43.476
<v Speaker 1>There were lots of kids my second grade class. There

0:32:43.516 --> 0:32:48.476
<v Speaker 1>were maybe twenty twenty five kids, a few other black kids.

0:32:50.556 --> 0:32:55.356
<v Speaker 1>No one knew who I was. I was then being

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<v Speaker 1>taught by a teacher who had refused to teach me

0:32:57.356 --> 0:33:02.436
<v Speaker 1>the year before, So whenever I would it was my

0:33:02.516 --> 0:33:04.596
<v Speaker 1>turn to read, she would say, that's not how you

0:33:04.836 --> 0:33:09.396
<v Speaker 1>pronounced that. Take a seat. And it was because I

0:33:09.476 --> 0:33:13.436
<v Speaker 1>only knew how to pronounce words the way missus Henry

0:33:13.636 --> 0:33:17.396
<v Speaker 1>had taught me. She had come from Boston. She had

0:33:17.436 --> 0:33:20.396
<v Speaker 1>a very strong Boston accent, so I was left with

0:33:20.476 --> 0:33:24.556
<v Speaker 1>her Boston accent. So I remember not really wanting to

0:33:24.596 --> 0:33:32.916
<v Speaker 1>speak in second grade. It it was over and again

0:33:33.036 --> 0:33:38.956
<v Speaker 1>nobody told me anything. And you know, there were times

0:33:39.036 --> 0:33:44.196
<v Speaker 1>when I even wondered did I dream all of this?

0:33:46.236 --> 0:33:49.876
<v Speaker 1>Was it real? I knew it was real, but it

0:33:49.996 --> 0:33:53.276
<v Speaker 1>was like no one else really talked about it. It

0:33:53.316 --> 0:33:59.076
<v Speaker 1>was over and pretty much I think the city didn't

0:33:59.076 --> 0:34:00.996
<v Speaker 1>really want to talk about it or deal with it

0:34:01.036 --> 0:34:05.636
<v Speaker 1>because it was sort of a black mark on them.

0:34:05.876 --> 0:34:10.516
<v Speaker 1>No pun intended, but you know, the whole country watched

0:34:10.516 --> 0:34:15.796
<v Speaker 1>how adults behaved in front of a six year old,

0:34:15.996 --> 0:34:22.276
<v Speaker 1>So nobody really wanted to relive that. It wasn't like

0:34:23.476 --> 0:34:27.556
<v Speaker 1>my parents really wanted to talk about it. It was

0:34:27.596 --> 0:34:31.996
<v Speaker 1>too hard for them, and it really kind of had

0:34:32.036 --> 0:34:36.556
<v Speaker 1>them at odds with each other for a while. And

0:34:36.876 --> 0:34:39.596
<v Speaker 1>even though I had all these questions and nobody seemed

0:34:39.596 --> 0:34:41.076
<v Speaker 1>to really want to talk about it, it it wasn't like

0:34:41.116 --> 0:34:45.196
<v Speaker 1>I could run back to school, even in third grade,

0:34:45.196 --> 0:34:49.116
<v Speaker 1>fourth grade, fifth grade, six seventh. That wasn't like I

0:34:49.156 --> 0:34:53.036
<v Speaker 1>could open up my history book and learn about that

0:34:53.116 --> 0:34:58.756
<v Speaker 1>incident and learn about me. So how was I going

0:34:58.796 --> 0:35:05.036
<v Speaker 1>to find out about myself and this incident? And when

0:35:05.076 --> 0:35:09.636
<v Speaker 1>did you find out? I was about seventeen when a

0:35:09.716 --> 0:35:13.556
<v Speaker 1>reporter came to do an interview with me, and he

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<v Speaker 1>showed me the Norman Rockwell painting And for listeners, Ruby,

0:35:20.396 --> 0:35:24.676
<v Speaker 1>you're referring to the Norman Rockwall painting called The Problem

0:35:24.756 --> 0:35:28.236
<v Speaker 1>We All Live With, which immortalized your first day of

0:35:28.276 --> 0:35:31.676
<v Speaker 1>school and shows you as a little girl walking to

0:35:31.756 --> 0:35:37.356
<v Speaker 1>school with federal marshals surrounding you. Absolutely, he showed me

0:35:37.436 --> 0:35:42.436
<v Speaker 1>the Norman Rockwell painting and said, do you know that

0:35:42.476 --> 0:35:48.716
<v Speaker 1>this is you? This is you? It depicts your walk

0:35:50.876 --> 0:35:54.036
<v Speaker 1>and up until that moment, I didn't think anybody remembered

0:35:54.156 --> 0:36:01.076
<v Speaker 1>or cared, or that it even mattered. I thought that

0:36:01.916 --> 0:36:05.276
<v Speaker 1>this was an incident that just happened in my community,

0:36:06.716 --> 0:36:11.996
<v Speaker 1>on my street. That's what I thought. I wasn't aware

0:36:12.716 --> 0:36:15.356
<v Speaker 1>that it was so important, that it changed the face

0:36:15.396 --> 0:36:20.756
<v Speaker 1>of education, and that people around the country were familiar

0:36:20.796 --> 0:36:27.316
<v Speaker 1>with it enough for this very famous artist to paint

0:36:27.396 --> 0:36:33.396
<v Speaker 1>this amazing painting about I did not realize that my walk,

0:36:33.676 --> 0:36:37.236
<v Speaker 1>my story, was a part of a much bigger family,

0:36:38.156 --> 0:36:42.396
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights family, the civil rights movement. I did

0:36:42.436 --> 0:36:48.476
<v Speaker 1>not realize that until that moment. Wow, just over ten

0:36:48.556 --> 0:36:52.476
<v Speaker 1>years ago, you ended up celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of

0:36:52.516 --> 0:36:55.876
<v Speaker 1>your first day at William France by visiting the Obama

0:36:55.876 --> 0:36:58.996
<v Speaker 1>White House and sharing in this beautiful moment with President

0:36:58.996 --> 0:37:02.596
<v Speaker 1>Obama when you both looked at the Norman Rockwell painting together.

0:37:03.276 --> 0:37:06.196
<v Speaker 1>Do you mind sharing how that day came to be? So?

0:37:06.236 --> 0:37:09.276
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking it wouldn't be cool to have of

0:37:09.316 --> 0:37:12.956
<v Speaker 1>that painting hung at the White House. I started in

0:37:13.036 --> 0:37:17.796
<v Speaker 1>listening people to write letters the Norman Rockwell Museum. You know,

0:37:17.836 --> 0:37:19.956
<v Speaker 1>I sit on their board. They were really excited about

0:37:19.956 --> 0:37:24.796
<v Speaker 1>the idea. Missus Henry Ronan letter the governor of Massachusetts,

0:37:24.796 --> 0:37:29.076
<v Speaker 1>just different people, and we wrote and said, you know,

0:37:29.236 --> 0:37:34.236
<v Speaker 1>would you be willing to do this? And if any

0:37:34.276 --> 0:37:36.796
<v Speaker 1>president was going to say yes, we knew it was

0:37:36.836 --> 0:37:40.956
<v Speaker 1>going to be him, and he agreed, and so all

0:37:40.996 --> 0:37:45.356
<v Speaker 1>of us were so thrilled. And then I did get

0:37:45.396 --> 0:37:50.796
<v Speaker 1>an invitation to come and view it with him, and

0:37:50.956 --> 0:37:55.196
<v Speaker 1>that was like the icing on a cake. So we

0:37:55.236 --> 0:37:58.196
<v Speaker 1>went and it was a closed meeting, only about a

0:37:58.196 --> 0:38:04.836
<v Speaker 1>dozen people. So the door opens and he starts to

0:38:04.956 --> 0:38:09.956
<v Speaker 1>head to warn me, and everything changed, you know the

0:38:09.996 --> 0:38:12.716
<v Speaker 1>fact that I felt like I was so poised and

0:38:12.796 --> 0:38:17.436
<v Speaker 1>so cool about it. Everything changed because my first thought was,

0:38:19.516 --> 0:38:23.396
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, but missus Henry, he's black. There's

0:38:23.396 --> 0:38:29.276
<v Speaker 1>a black man walking toward me and he is the

0:38:29.316 --> 0:38:34.876
<v Speaker 1>President of the United States. That was just a whole

0:38:35.396 --> 0:38:44.916
<v Speaker 1>other group of feelings. And so he walked over to me,

0:38:45.876 --> 0:38:52.996
<v Speaker 1>and just as my escort explained what was going to unfold,

0:38:53.636 --> 0:38:58.676
<v Speaker 1>he turned and said, President Obama, this is Ruby Bridges.

0:38:58.916 --> 0:39:02.836
<v Speaker 1>And so I extended my hand and I said, mister President,

0:39:02.916 --> 0:39:06.116
<v Speaker 1>it is such an honor to meet you. And when

0:39:06.116 --> 0:39:08.076
<v Speaker 1>I did that, he put both hands on his hips

0:39:08.436 --> 0:39:10.276
<v Speaker 1>and he looked at me. He said, are you kidding me?

0:39:11.436 --> 0:39:17.476
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a hug, and he's like threw his arms

0:39:17.516 --> 0:39:22.316
<v Speaker 1>around me, and he leaned over on my shoulder and

0:39:22.436 --> 0:39:25.196
<v Speaker 1>he whispered in my ear and he said, I cannot

0:39:25.236 --> 0:39:29.116
<v Speaker 1>begin to tell you what an honor it is to

0:39:29.156 --> 0:39:35.716
<v Speaker 1>welcome you into this White House. And when he was

0:39:35.836 --> 0:39:39.876
<v Speaker 1>whispering that in my ear, my head was on his shoulder,

0:39:40.356 --> 0:39:43.636
<v Speaker 1>and I looked around the room, and those twelve people

0:39:43.676 --> 0:39:47.876
<v Speaker 1>that were in the room, they all started to tear

0:39:47.956 --> 0:39:53.756
<v Speaker 1>up and they were crying. And then when we went

0:39:53.796 --> 0:39:59.476
<v Speaker 1>into his office and he started showing me around, and

0:39:59.516 --> 0:40:01.996
<v Speaker 1>then finally there we were standing in front of the painting.

0:40:02.076 --> 0:40:06.516
<v Speaker 1>He said, you know, it's fair to say that if

0:40:06.516 --> 0:40:09.796
<v Speaker 1>it had not been for you, all probably wouldn't be

0:40:09.796 --> 0:40:13.396
<v Speaker 1>standing here to day. And that's when it hit me

0:40:14.836 --> 0:40:21.436
<v Speaker 1>that this moment wasn't really about me and him. It

0:40:21.516 --> 0:40:28.756
<v Speaker 1>was about the time between us, all of the sacrifices

0:40:29.796 --> 0:40:40.356
<v Speaker 1>and lives lost, all those people that died, the struggle,

0:40:40.436 --> 0:40:46.436
<v Speaker 1>the whole movement, both black and white. That's what it was.

0:40:54.756 --> 0:40:58.356
<v Speaker 1>Ruby's journey is far from over. She actively travels the

0:40:58.396 --> 0:41:02.236
<v Speaker 1>world sharing her story. She helps run the Ruby Bridges Foundation,

0:41:02.436 --> 0:41:05.996
<v Speaker 1>which organizes a yearly walk to School day to commemorate

0:41:06.036 --> 0:41:08.916
<v Speaker 1>her first steps and the movement to end racism in

0:41:08.956 --> 0:41:12.636
<v Speaker 1>our communities. Ruby is also the author of several books.

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<v Speaker 1>Her latest is a children's book called I Am Ruby Bridges. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for listening. Join me next week when

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<v Speaker 1>we hear from author Dan Pink on the science of regret.

0:41:44.996 --> 0:41:48.236
<v Speaker 1>Dan argues that we should transform our relationship to this

0:41:48.356 --> 0:41:52.956
<v Speaker 1>often misunderstood emotion. The thing about regret is that regret

0:41:53.676 --> 0:41:57.396
<v Speaker 1>can clarify what we value and instruct us on how

0:41:57.436 --> 0:42:01.276
<v Speaker 1>to do better. And people like that. But it comes

0:42:01.316 --> 0:42:04.476
<v Speaker 1>with discomfort. It comes with some amount of pain, and

0:42:04.516 --> 0:42:08.356
<v Speaker 1>people don't like that. But that's not the deal. It's

0:42:08.396 --> 0:42:11.516
<v Speaker 1>a package deal. You got to have both. And arguably

0:42:11.556 --> 0:42:14.956
<v Speaker 1>I think that pain and discomfort is the source of

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<v Speaker 1>the clarification and the instruction. A Slight Change of Plans

0:42:29.316 --> 0:42:32.596
<v Speaker 1>is created written an executive produce by me Maya Schunker.

0:42:33.156 --> 0:42:36.636
<v Speaker 1>The Slight Change Family includes our senior producer Tyler Greene,

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<v Speaker 1>our producer and fact checker Emily Rosteck, our editors Kate Parkinson,

0:42:41.756 --> 0:42:45.516
<v Speaker 1>Morgan and Jen Guera, and our sound engineers Ben holliday

0:42:45.596 --> 0:42:49.956
<v Speaker 1>In Andrew Vastola, Louis Skara wrote our delightful theme song

0:42:50.116 --> 0:42:53.596
<v Speaker 1>and Ginger Smith helped arrange the vocals. A Slight Change

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<v Speaker 1>of Plans is a production of Pushkin Industries, so big

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to everyone there, and of course a very special

0:43:00.316 --> 0:43:03.436
<v Speaker 1>thanks to Jimmy Lee. You can follow A Slight Change

0:43:03.436 --> 0:43:07.076
<v Speaker 1>of Plans on Instagram at doctor Maya Schunker See you

0:43:07.116 --> 0:43:36.116
<v Speaker 1>next week. My three nieces came over this weekend and

0:43:36.476 --> 0:43:39.076
<v Speaker 1>I had the PDF of your I Am Ruby Bridges

0:43:39.156 --> 0:43:42.276
<v Speaker 1>book and I was like, y'all are in for a treat.

0:43:42.596 --> 0:43:46.196
<v Speaker 1>Guess who I'm interviewing on Monday. And my niece vest

0:43:46.236 --> 0:43:49.876
<v Speaker 1>were just freaked out. She was like, oh, Ruby Bridges,

0:43:50.316 --> 0:43:53.036
<v Speaker 1>You're going to meet her. So anyway, I just wanted

0:43:53.036 --> 0:43:54.676
<v Speaker 1>you to know it led to a lot of joy

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<v Speaker 1>in the Schunker family. Well, thank you so much for

0:43:57.636 --> 0:44:00.676
<v Speaker 1>having me, and that just lifts my spirits today, so

0:44:01.476 --> 0:44:02.596
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it.