1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Edith Steak is that woo woof? 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye Dan Rubinstein, welcome back. Welcome back 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: to Chicago, my friend. How are you? 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good it was it was warmer on the 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: West coast. It is colder in Chicago. I'm not breaking 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: any news, Tie, but good people, good strong, friendly people 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: here in the Chicago land area. Good strong, friendly people 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: out west in southern California, so I can't complain. It 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: was good to get some family time. It was good 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: to get some sunshine, good to kick back a little 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: bit and get out of winter for a little while. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: And it's great to see your face once again. 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Ty. It's great to see you. We missed you. On 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: the last episode, Pete sends his best Pete Sampson hopped 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: on with me. We talked some Notre Dame on the 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: last episode. Go back and check that out. Gave us 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: some great insight and to what that journey was like 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: for Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman. This past season, we 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: also have an episode coming up next week. I'm not 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: going to give too much away. I did tease a 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: little bit on the one that we dropped on Tuesday. 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about what the next week has in 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: story is something we have been working on for a 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: while now. It looks like it's finally going to come 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: to fruition. So excited about that. Hit file. 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You can sign 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: up as a free member if you're ever so inclined. 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: We'll throw you a few crumbs throughout the course of 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: the ARPA here to go it around, just to see 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: what it's all about. But we are still going here 43 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: as best we can through the college football offseason. Which 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: brings me to the topic du Joor. 45 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: Yes. By the way, Ty, before we get into the topic, Djoor, 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: real quick, please, something I didn't realize until you mentioned 47 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: Pete and Notre Dame. You and I are now in 48 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: an exclusive club of two time losers that both Oregon 49 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: and Notre Dame have lost twice in the national Championship 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: in the modern era, and I feel like we could 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: set up some sort of sad fan consultation via zoom. 52 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: We're like, look, I know it hurts, better help, but 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: like be e tt R, I don't know. I'm not 54 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: there yet, but we are uniquely capable. I don't know 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: who else fits into this situation. Obviously Alabama and Clemson 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: have lost multiple but they've also won multiple, so I 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: don't feel like that really works. I'm trying to think 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: if there's any other school. I meanecifically. 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: What you're referring to is something we have talked about 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: loving over the years with the Maryland Terrapins. We are 61 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: elite losers. At least our teams have been well. 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: I said what I say this year was Auburn was 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: an elite loser for the stretch that they had early 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: on in the season, the ways in which they lost 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: Oklahoma cal et cetera, et cetera, that it was creative 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: that they were able to give their own fans unique 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: ways to be devastated on Saturday evenings. But yeah, you 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: and I are experienced losers, I would say, and we 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: can walk people through the different stages of getting over 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: that hope and moving forward with your fandom. So that's nice, right. 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: We can sell zoom calls to other people who were 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: exactly right, who aspire to be elite losers as you 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: and I have been. 74 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: That's true. We are nothing if not able to look inward. 75 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: Ty indeed, Well, on that note, Yeah, speaking of looking inward, 76 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about college football as a whole. Now, there 77 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: was an article that came out by our friend Ralph Russo. 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I think Scott Doctorman was also in the byline. 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, howther Dnnisch wrote about the same thing, the meetings. 80 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ross Dollinger has written about this. It's a popular 81 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: subject right now in and around college football. And it's 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: this whole idea of the Big Ten and the SEC 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: using their influence to change college football in one way, 84 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: shape or form. Be it the way that we go 85 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: about our college football playoff, be it conference championship weeks 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: be it things just down to revenue sharing, which we 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: don't fully have and acted yet but is coming very soon. 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: Just a lot out there right now about the Big 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: Ten in the SEC exerting undue influence and trying to 90 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: reshape this sport somewhat in their image. 91 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: It's an article and undo might be strong, right, They've 92 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: earned some degree of how they wield it, certainly as 93 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: an open. 94 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Converce instead of undue, let's say, unbalanced sure influence. Notably, 95 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: this is an article that I believe moved you in 96 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: a really significant way. And I say that because we 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: have these conversations every week. What are we going to 98 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: talk about on the show. What do you want to 99 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: talk about? What's kind of out in college football X 100 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: or Twitter or Blue Sky or whatever. What are people 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: talking about? And what seems to be moving the needle? 102 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: And this is definitely something that got you going, and 103 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: I'm curious as to why, and we're going to discuss 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: why and what it all means here on today's episode. 105 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we go through the specific So the 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: SEC and Big Ten met in New Orleans last week 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: in the last few days, anyway to discuss common priorities 108 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: that they may have with regard to scheduling both through 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: in the regular season. How many teams could get into 110 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: the future iteration of an expanded college football playoff, how 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: many teams would be in the playoff, how many automatic 112 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: qualifying teams would be in the playoff. How the sport, 113 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: including those two conferences, will be governed as a whole 114 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: with all of these changes financially and structurally. And what 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: is in the best interests of those two conferences, not 116 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: necessarily as it relates to the best interests of the 117 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: quote unquote sport, but as it relates to the broader 118 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: college football universe. That's what they meant to discuss. Nothing 119 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: was finalized, there were different models that were broached, but 120 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: it is interesting to see just how many thumbs of 121 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: theirs can go on the. 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Scale it is, and reading through all these articles in 123 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: preparation for this, it is striking how far reaching their 124 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: impact is. And I think, admittedly I have had the 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: tendency to downplay it, maybe just because I don't want 126 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: to think too much about it, and it's easier. Total 127 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: avoidance is always a little bit easier than looking something 128 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: straight in the eye. But it is striking when you 129 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: go through all these articles, how much influence the Big 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Ten and the SEC are wielding here, and the ramifications 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: of it I think are far reaching. So that's today's episode. 132 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: Today's episode is talking through what these conferences want. I think, 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: first and foremost, if they get it, what it might 134 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: look like, what does it mean for the sport as 135 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: a whole, what doesn't it mean for the sport as 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: a whole? And then more importantly, I guess what does 137 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: it solve? What doesn't it solve? What new problems may 138 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: be created as a result of some of these proposals 139 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: and some of these ideas that are being kicked around. 140 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I think, to start, you did a pretty good job 141 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: highlighting what the Big Ten and the SEC want, But 142 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: they have now positioned themselves as the two dominant forces 143 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: in college football. They are using that influence to try 144 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: and shape college football in ways that benefit their members. Yes, 145 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: this is not a great surprise. We've been talking about 146 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: this for a while. But there are a few, I 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: think specific prongs of that that become a parent if 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: you read these articles. The first is that they want 149 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: greater control over the college football playoff structure. They obviously 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: want to find whatever way possible to get a larger 151 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: slice of that revenue pie you can get into that 152 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: they want to, I guess, or are exploring how they 153 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: can set up almost a separate governing body that I 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: guess the most cynical among us could say would favor 155 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: their interests. I don't know if that's the intention of this, 156 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: but look, we're all friends here, we can say it. 157 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I understand why people would be skeptical of that. 158 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, if you're creating your own governing body, hard 159 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: to imagine that they're going to go against your structural 160 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: wishes and how they govern. 161 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: The c one could one could jump to that conclusion. 162 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: It was something that gave the mind right away from 163 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: me when I'm reading this, like, oh, that's set up 164 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: your own NCAA. Interesting. That's how I liked. 165 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: There was a comment about a new governing body as 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: created by the Power four Conferences, the quote unquote Power 167 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: four Conferences. We're Mountain West respectors here that they're like, 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: we will decide on what's appropriate with regard to revenue 169 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: sharing and what the NIL marketplace should look like, what's 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: a reasonable third party rate? I don't want to use 171 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: the word collusion here, ty, But if you looked up 172 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 2: the word collusion, it might align with some of the 173 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: statements being thrown out there that like, no, no, no, we'll 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: decide what the market is like. Is that how markets work? Okay? Interesting? 175 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: Right? 176 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned the playoff earlier to other things that I 177 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: jotted down in my note sheet. Yeah, it's perhaps not 178 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: a mutually exclusive point with respect to the playoff, but 179 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: it is the most well known and I do think 180 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: it is separate from what I mentioned before about the 181 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: CFP structure. Simply put, they want more access to their teams. 182 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: Both the Big ten and the SEC are pushing for 183 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, a four Tony Pettiti joked about a sixteen 184 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: team playoff. 185 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: But they're both we're going five blades continue, sorry. 186 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: They're both looking for four automatic bids per conference. Yes, 187 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: they want to ensure as many of their schools can 188 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: get in as imaginable. And then on top of it, 189 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: there is this whole aspect of well, if we're going 190 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: to do this with the playoff, if we're going to 191 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: change the way that we go about this playoff, what 192 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: do we need to do to facilitate it On the 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: week that we typically would have conference championship games. You know, 194 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: let's rethink how we do championship week. Those are five 195 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: big things that I think are involved in this whole 196 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: round of discussions. And why perhaps it raised yours raise 197 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: many alarms right in the college football world. 198 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's essentially yeah, I said thumb on 199 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: the scale. And with regard to automatic qualifiers, it does 200 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: feel like this is the intersection of insecurity and greed 201 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: maybe by the SEC in the Big Ten, Like how 202 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: how could Tony Pettiti and Greg Sankie imagine a world 203 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: in which four teams don't make a four team playoff 204 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: fourteen team playoff from their conferences? They're already in an 205 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: overwhelm at an overwhelming rate, those two conferences are going 206 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: to get the most teams in the playoff because of 207 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: just the sheer size of their biggest programs between you know, 208 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 2: House State, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, LSU, Alabama, take your pick, Tennessee, 209 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: Texas A and M Texas. Like, well, maybe let's not 210 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: go that far with Texas A and M. They just 211 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: they exclusively go eight in four. But in this new 212 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: structure they could get in in a more direct way 213 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: than subjective opinions about rankings. It feels very sterile, it 214 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: feels very corporate. It feels very like the Yankees are 215 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: worth the most money, so they got to get six 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: guys in the All Star Game. He's like, I don't 217 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: know Brett Gardner's could, but like this, this game used 218 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: to mean something. All due respect to Brett Gardner, who 219 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: was a fantasy stalwart for me, very productive. You didn't 220 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: think we're going to get a Brett Gardner reference in 221 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 2: the show, did you? 222 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Dana a runs and stolen bases guy not so much 223 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: a power fantasy drafter, but continue. 224 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: He's a valuable member of this tapestry. 225 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Led the league in total baldness. 226 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: There you go. No, there, there's something very sterile and 227 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: corporate about mandating where this all goes. I think that 228 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: is the Champions League like this, where like the biggest 229 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: leagues get x number of teams each and then maybe 230 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 2: the Scottish I'm making this up. The Scottish League gets 231 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: two and the Greek league gets one and the Swedish 232 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: league gets one. But also that might be like a 233 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: play on play in tournament beforehand. Every sport is different, 234 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: but it's something like that, right, Sure, that specific leagues 235 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: earn a certain number of automatic qualifiers that am I 236 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: correct in saying that? Yeah, no, absolutely, because every other 237 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: league it's sort of just buy record. That's they you know, 238 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: change the rules about like what a wild car, how 239 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: many wild cards there are, but it's record. It's just 240 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: cold hard facts. Yeah. 241 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, practically speaking, yeah, if you were 242 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: to use this year as a go buy, the Big 243 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Tens slate of teams would probably look exactly the same. 244 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: You'd have Oregon and Ohio State, Penn State, and Indiana. 245 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: The real difference. Again, if we're just using this year's 246 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: crop of playoff teams as an example, the SEC would 247 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: have Alabama in as well, in addition to the other 248 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: three teams that made in Georgia, Texas and Tennessee. That's 249 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: what it would look like practically speaking. Now we would 250 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: also be adding another team, and it's not exactly the same, 251 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: but you know, from that standpoint, it feels similar enough. 252 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: It just seems dirtier, right, it seems dirty. 253 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: Well, it seems dirty also because some of the anonymous 254 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: quotes from Big twelve and ACC people are like, we 255 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: just want a seat at the table, We just want 256 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: to get an invite, however we can't. Like it was 257 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: very defeatist that, like they know this is bad for 258 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: the sport. They know that, you know, it's not it's 259 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: not the easiest to find the clear best eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, 260 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: sixteen teams, Like there's no way of cleanly doing that 261 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: every year. But it was a little bit defeatus where 262 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: it's just like we just want to continue to exist, 263 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: and so if they say we can bring one, we'll 264 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: bring one. If they say we can bring two, we'll 265 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: bring two. And it is it was very stark about 266 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: where not only the power is, but how that power 267 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: was attained. That right now is just an inventory game 268 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: with Fox and ESPN and you know, Tony Petiti angling 269 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: to have the like you know, one of the models 270 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: would be the top two PHI who would in a 271 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: typical year end up in a conference championship game. They're 272 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: just in in their seasons done after let's say twelve 273 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: games and then three and six play and four and 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: five play for those two other automatic qualifying spots continue tie. 275 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: No, John, I want to put a pin in that, okay, 276 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: and I want to come back to it, okay, okay, 277 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: because where I think we should go next is what 278 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: it could look like around college football if some of 279 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: these proposals are enacted, and we can start with the playoff, 280 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: because I think the playoff is the thing that people 281 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: have the most outspoken opinions about. Again, we are talking 282 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: about a fourteen if you believe Tony Petiti, maybe it 283 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: was just sort of set in jest, a sixteen team playoff. 284 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Both of these setups, regardless of its fourteen or sixteen, 285 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: would favor the Big Ten in the SEC. The proposed 286 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: expansion here would pretty much allocate four auto bids for 287 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: each of those two conferences, the Big Ten and the SEC. 288 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: The ACC and the Big twelve would probably get autobids, 289 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't get four, right, maybe two. They would 290 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: probably go to like a four four two to one 291 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: one one. 292 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: One and an open uh yeah, wild CARDI yeah, yeah, 293 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: some sort of setup like that, which again to the point, Yeah, 294 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: they want a seed at the table, but they're receiving 295 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: fewer auto bids. 296 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: In some cases, these conferences are bigger. The ACC is 297 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: bigger than both the the SEC and the Big Ten, 298 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: but because they're not deemed as good, they're only going 299 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: to get two. That's I think only further going to 300 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: reinforce any sort of imbalance we have right now with 301 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: respect to like who's being represented in the postseason. The 302 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: other thing that I didn't see mentioned anywhere, and I'm 303 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: sure somebody's brought this up by now, but if we 304 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: are moving to a world in which conferences get to 305 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: decide who their auto bids are, and there's not an 306 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: agreed upon series of requirements for say the Big Ten 307 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: naming its four schools that are going to get through 308 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: into this playoff, it's for autobids, does that not reduce 309 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: the need for the College Football Playoffs Selection Committee? 310 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: It does. That's not a bad thing. 311 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing. Like not all 312 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: these things I'm talking about are pure evil, right, And 313 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: I actually think coming back to the point that just 314 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: put opinion in a second ago, changing how we view 315 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: championship Week, changing how conferences view those auto bids, and 316 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: maybe giving them a little bit more liberty to just 317 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: determine who they won as their representative. I don't think 318 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: that's a horrible idea. The grand scheme of this might 319 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: not be great, but that aspect of it I think 320 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: would add a little bit of interest in some intrigue 321 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: down the stretch. Maybe it reduces the need for the 322 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: selection committee, maybe they're still picking at large teams something 323 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: of that nature. But on its face, I don't hate 324 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: that concept of getting creative with how we treat that 325 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: championship week. 326 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: I can't help but laugh at how the need to 327 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: complicate this sport at every turn is never ending, where 328 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: you're just like, you will never ever find another casual 329 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: fan if you're like, so, there's a conference championship weekend, 330 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: sort of, well, what is it like, Well, they're playing 331 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: for the three and four seed? Cool? How are they 332 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: doing that? They're doing three against six and four against five? 333 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: How are three, four, five and six determined? Glad you asked? 334 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: Here's a series of seven tie breakers you might want 335 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: to familiarize yourself with. And I saw somebody somewhere say 336 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: something like like, how do you explain it to a 337 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: three seed that has already beaten a six seed thirty 338 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: five thirteen that they have to play again just to 339 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: reinforce that they're we're number three, wear number like, And 340 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: it's just everything has to be so complicated at every 341 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 2: turn that and even this year, right, the subjectivity of 342 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: the committee was dented a little bit as you're like, 343 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: all right, here's the top twelve. Cool, so we're gonna 344 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: play like, nope, number nine is actually number three, right, 345 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: what they're not the third best team as you saw them. Yeah, 346 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: but they won their conference, so they're just gonna jump 347 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: up six and we're gonna reward the fact that they 348 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 2: won the Mountain West or they won the Big twelve, 349 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: even though after their entire body of work, we've determined 350 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: their number nine and number eleven or whatever. And it's 351 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: just like, at every turn, you have to make this 352 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: needlessly complicated and that scene too. 353 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: We are though, that's what this sport is. It's always 354 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: been that way. It's scaffolding on top of scaffolding. It's 355 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: scaffolding on top of scaffolding. 356 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: But it does. It does reek of we have to 357 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: do everything for TV inventory at every turn, and whatever 358 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: happens to the sport happens. Let's get it. While the 359 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: ratings are good, it seems very shortsighted to me. It 360 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: seems that if you are handing so much weight to 361 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: these two growing conferences, that you're going to turn off 362 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: people and it might not be a parent in the 363 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: ratings next year. Or the attendance next year. But you 364 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: know there'll be a slow trickle. In my opinion of 365 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: if you are a Big twelve team, if you are 366 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: a team in the American or whatever, you're just like, 367 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: you're seeing what's going on in the sport. You're seeing 368 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 2: how it's crazy imbalanced, and you're saying to yourself, why 369 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: am I building myself up for disappointment by paying for 370 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 2: season tickets, by paying for gear, by donating to the 371 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: collective whatever, when I know it's just going to be 372 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: another seven and five season, another eight and four season 373 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: that will feel like a failure even though we went 374 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: eight and four, that's good record, and everything is sort 375 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: of being created to treat eight and four, nine and 376 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: three like failure seasons, and that you feel like, just 377 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: because South Carolina's in the SEC or Organ's in the 378 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: Big ten or something like that, that there nine and 379 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: three should be viewed very similarly to your nine and 380 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: three or ten and two or eleven and one. If 381 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: you happen to go eleven and one in a perceive 382 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: smaller conference and it doesn't matter, It just doesn't matter, 383 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: like when you're told your successes don't matter over and 384 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: over again, you might stop coming to the table ty, 385 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: you might stop coming to the games. You might find 386 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: something else to watch, or you might go to a 387 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: bar and watch it and maybe forget the next week 388 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: because it's a nice day and you want to go 389 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: do something else. Like the impetus, the onus, the motivation 390 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: to be a super fan of your team or of 391 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: the sport that doesn't view you as worthwhile, specifically because 392 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: you happen to be a Kansas State fan or a 393 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: NC State fan, or a Washington State fan or whatever 394 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: kind of fan. I don't think you can count on 395 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: that customer forever. Ty, I just don't. 396 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's not just that if we are speaking to 397 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: what this might look like. This is the thing that 398 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: got me going. This is what I sent to you. 399 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 400 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: Buried in some of these articles is this idea of 401 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: creating a separate LLC that will handle things like rules 402 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: enforcement and oversight with respect to specifically revenue sharing. Yeah, 403 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: so there's a big settlement about to be approved. We 404 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: think it's going to be approved. It's already been sort 405 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: of pre approved dating back towards the end of last year. 406 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I think April seventh is the date when this could 407 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: actually become a formalized agreement. We can talk about the 408 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: House settlement at some point down the line, but for now, anyway, 409 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: provided this thing goes through as many of us expect 410 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: it will, there is a working group, there is sort 411 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: of a coalition among the four power conferences to set 412 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: up a separate LLC that will handle things like oversight 413 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: and managing of revenue sharing. It'll determine how the money 414 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: gets paid out, It'll determine if there are any caps 415 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: on that money. It will handle enforcement, making sure that 416 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: things go swimmingly. It will notably and most importantly be 417 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: separate from the NCUBA. Yes, what the articles specify, and 418 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: I say articles because in some way, shape or form 419 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: they all get around to saying this. The NCBA will 420 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: not cease to exist, but the NCUBA will participate more 421 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: from an academic eligibility standpoint. They're going to monitor who's 422 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: allowed to play. They're not going to monitor what happens 423 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: if you're playing. In effect, they may also have some 424 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: input into larger sort of institutional wide governance on that level, 425 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: but with respect to this sport and the revenue sharing 426 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: within and what the rules are for it, they don't 427 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: want any part of that. And this continues a trend 428 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: that we have seen through the NCAA over the years, 429 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: over the last thirty years now of them seeding some 430 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: element of control or wanting to get out of that 431 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: business because they're afraid of getting sued. And so instead 432 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: you leave it up to the Big Ten and the 433 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: SEC and these conferences to set something up kind of 434 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: separately that can handle that. Now, notably, these conferences don't 435 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: want to create any kind of formalized agreement amongst one 436 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: another because that could open themselves up to lawsuits, further lawsuits. 437 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: They don't want to be accused of collusion or any 438 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: kind of prop varieties that could be sued that could 439 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: overturn some of the rules they put in place. I 440 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: am not a lawyer, I know not fully of what 441 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: I speak, but to my sort of simple man's ear, 442 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like. And so whatever they're doing, 443 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: whatever organization is going on, here is a lot of 444 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: Manila envelopes and dark galleys and trench coats and you 445 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: name it, just to try and make this thing kind 446 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: of come together and seemingly benefit the power conferences. Now, 447 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: a cynical perspective could be that since the Big ten, 448 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: and since the SEC have such an outsized impact on 449 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: everything else going on around the sport, why wouldn't they 450 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: also have their thumb on that scale too. Whatever LLC 451 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: they're helping to create, why would they not also have 452 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: their thumb on that scale to make sure that the 453 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: governance structure is something that's going to benefit them If 454 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: they're bypassing traditional NCAA oversight, if they're creating their alternate 455 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: governing body, wouldn't it be fair to assume that, since 456 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: it's the case elsewhere, that governing body is disproportionately going 457 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: to reflect their priorities. Is that not a fair way 458 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: to look at that? Maybe it's I sink so, but 459 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: is that not a reasonable conclusion to draw based on 460 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: what else is going on around the sport? 461 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: I think it's reasonable. You'll note that in one of 462 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: the quotes from Greg Sank was We've got a lot 463 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 2: of lawyers, so I'm very well aware of what I 464 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: can and can't say with regard to controlling enforcement and 465 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: discussing with other conferences how we're going to approach market value. 466 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: You'll notice they also didn't say something like we look 467 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: forward to speaking with what we hope will be representatives 468 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: of the players to come to a conclusion revenue or sharing. 469 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: Did not see anything like that. 470 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 2: Didn't see that, didn't see that. I also enjoy that 471 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: the NCAA is going to be responsible for what you say, 472 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: academic enforcement eligibility. I cannot tell you the last I 473 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: heard about any sort of major or mediocre player being 474 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: ruled ineligible after the fall term before the postseason. They're like, 475 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: in what universe if Will Howard or Jeremiah Smith or 476 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: Quinn Ewers or any of these guys ahead of the playoff, 477 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: He's like, well, has a one point seven GPA won't 478 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 2: be playing in the playoff? In what universe will that 479 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: ever happen? Ever again, that some kid fully neglected his 480 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: class work, and like, well, this player is not playing. 481 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: I mean, the last time I heard about it, I 482 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: guess on a major scale may have been Everett Golson 483 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: with Notre Dame and back. 484 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: To twenty twelve. 485 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: That was like an alleged cheating situation or something and 486 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: he ended up leaving. But outside of that, I don't 487 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: know what the NCAA is doing. Because it appears that 488 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: everybody's academics are in order, everybody's good to go. 489 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Everything's hockey dory. Don't worry about it. We're good. 490 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: And if there is some sort of eligibility question about 491 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: years played, whether you're from a JC or whether it 492 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: was a COVID year or something, you just sue and 493 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: get your way. 494 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: Look, they need to have some bit of oversight and agree. 495 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: As you know, anybody who follows this knows, the conversation 496 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: around naming a commissioner in college football has heated up 497 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: as of late. There is no structure right now that 498 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: I think would permit that, but at least as a 499 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: thought experiment. It's not just ours, like sample any number 500 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: of college football shows out there, and we're all kind 501 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: of talking about the same thing right now because it 502 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: feels like it's headed in that direction. If they do 503 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: establish some sort of separate but equal entity that handles 504 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: governance on this level, that gets us closer to a commissioner. 505 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: It also gets us closer, I think, to splitting off 506 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: entirely from the NCAA, creating that I don't want to 507 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: call it a superleg I don't think it would super league, 508 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: but creating something like that that eventually the powers that 509 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: be look at the NCAA look at the current structure 510 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: and they say, we don't need this. What's the point 511 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: of any of this, Like, we could run it better 512 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: on our own. We don't need the NCUBA, we don't 513 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: need colleges tell us what to do. Right, The colleges 514 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: can sort of enjoy the revenue from it and they 515 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: can have some input, but we can create our own 516 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: thing and be just as well. 517 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: I just I don't know I know who this is for. 518 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: I don't know who this is for outside of conferences 519 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: that signed away their power to the TV networks. 520 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: It's not for the TV five. I can tell you 521 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: that it's certainly five. 522 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: It's not for the Big twelve. Acc No, it's not 523 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: for like many, many, many, many fans. I can't even 524 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: think of that many like Big ten and SEC fans. 525 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: We're like, oh, this is the move, this is the move. 526 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: We need to only have thirty five forty two teams 527 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: or whatever. We need to consolidate power or as much 528 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: as we can because Michigan State makes it's just more 529 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: valuable than Oklahoma State or something that, like, we need 530 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: to cut off seventy percent of the teams, sixty percent 531 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: of the teams so that I don't make any more money. 532 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: But my school that already has an eight hundred and 533 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: fifty million dollar endowment or whatever, which obviously endowments have 534 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: nothing to do with college sports generally speaking. But this 535 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: very wealthy entity that I'm aligned with, for some reason 536 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: can maximize its earning potential. And so I don't think 537 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: this is like people may understand why it's ending in 538 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: that direction. You're like, this is how business were. There's 539 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: a I don't know of anybody that actually truly is 540 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: like this is the way forward for this sport, that 541 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: anybody fell in love with this sport and is attracted 542 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: to this sport because of the earning potential of Tony 543 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: Petiti and Greg Sank and their member common differences, and 544 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: that so many more people want to watch Florida football 545 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: in Ohio state football, and so it's only right that 546 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: this sport give them more money because they've earned it 547 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: in some way. 548 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: Well, and look, I give our audience a lot of credit. Yeah, 549 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: our audience understands why. To your point, they understand why 550 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: this is happening. It's about money. We don't need to 551 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: be cynical. We're not even being cynical or being realistic. 552 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: This is about money. Everybody understands that. But the closer 553 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: we get now to turning this into a business, the 554 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: more I think we're going to turn people off. We've 555 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: heard it among some of our own people, some people 556 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: who have taken a year or two off from college football. 557 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: They've come back to the discord to pop their head in. 558 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: They've said they don't enjoy it as much as they 559 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: used to now. I look, I'm not going there fully 560 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: with this conversation, but I do think the more you 561 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: veer into that business side of it, where we're talking 562 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: about earning's potential, where we're taught, you see this a 563 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: lot with ratings too. People who beat the drama of Wow, 564 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: look at the ratings for the That's not how most 565 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: fans think about college football. Are really any sport, right, 566 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: We don't give a damn about the ratings, give a 567 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: damn about our team, give a damn about who wins, 568 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: who loses, what the interesting storylines are. That was the 569 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: whole catalyst for starting this show in the beginning. It 570 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: wasn't which shows, or wasn't which games are showing the 571 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: most rating potential, or which teams are conferences are showing 572 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: the most revenue potential. By and large, fans don't give 573 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: a damn about that. Schools commissioners, conference leaders may. But 574 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: the more we start talking about things like that, I 575 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: think the more the tracks from the sport that's out there, which, 576 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, the on field product I still think is 577 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: in a great place. We did a whole episode on 578 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: what needs to be fixed in order to make it better. Sure, 579 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: but beyond that, if you get past this whole conversation, 580 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm I still just like watching football, and I think 581 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: most people in the similar camp. 582 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, look, it seems in retrospect inevitable 583 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: that when you open up the sport to a finite 584 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: number of playoff spots with no clear path to being 585 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: Now you have a clear path by winning a conference 586 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: and being one of the five highest ranked conference winners, 587 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: but no clear path in a four team because you 588 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: can just not even play for your conference championship and 589 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: end up in a four team playoff, as we saw 590 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: with Alabama, or that there's no clear path to be 591 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: one of those seven at large teams beyond just a committee, 592 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: a collect a collection of committee members has all agreed 593 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: that you're, you know, somewhere between number seven and number 594 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: ten or something like that, and so you get in 595 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: so there's no clear path. It does kind of feel 596 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: like the ty hilden Brands of the world who stood 597 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: on the table for this expanded playoff are getting what 598 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: they want, right. 599 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: I wanted an expanded playoff. I did, and I I 600 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: still stand by the fact that it was always dumb 601 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: to have four and so I'm cool with twelve. I'm 602 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: not as cool with fourteen. I kind of think the 603 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: twelve teams setup's a pretty good one. But once you 604 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: start getting into fourteen, once you start changing the parameters 605 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: by which teams qualify for it, and especially now, when 606 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: you've got what amounts to politics at play, not politics politics, 607 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: but politics within the sport, I'll play. Yeah, that's when 608 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: it starts to feel little bit murky. And that's when 609 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: I start to wonder, what does this all mean? What 610 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: does this mean for the longevity of the sport? Right? 611 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: We have been talking now, we have been musing over 612 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: this divide between the haves and the have nots, really 613 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: since the beginning of the show. That's what makes college 614 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: football tick, but more recently because of conference realignment, because 615 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: of these huge media contracts that both the big ten 616 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: and the SEC have gotten because of conversations like that, 617 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: it does feel like there is a widening gap between 618 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: the Big ten and the SEC and the rest of 619 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: the sport. And it doesn't just feel there is, well, 620 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: there is, but it feels like it is accelerating, is 621 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: my point. And if we're talking about playoff structure and 622 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: the governance model, if we're basically talking about institutionalizing this 623 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: power gap between the two conferences with all the money 624 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: and the rest of them, that feels a little bit murky. 625 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to tell this audience that if something 626 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: like that goes into effect in a more drastic way, 627 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: we're starting We're starting to talk about even more increased 628 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: disparities on the financial level. Of course, I mean, that's 629 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: what this whole thing's about. But if revenue distribution is 630 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: at all skewed towards the largest conferences, what's that going 631 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: to do for G five or even ACC or Big twelve. 632 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: It's going to make it harder to compete. They're going 633 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: to have a smaller slice of that pie. It's going 634 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: to make it harder to compete. What's it going to 635 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: mean if the role of the NCAA is further diminished. 636 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: Does that have any real significance for us? I don't. 637 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm not. 638 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm smart enough to know that 639 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: for sure, But it seems meaningful that conferences feel powerful 640 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: enough on their own, notably the Big Ten and the SEC, 641 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: to set up their own deal. That seems murky. If 642 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: all of this stuff is coming as a result of 643 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: conference re alignment and the expanded Playoff, then perhaps I 644 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: need to rethink a little bit what the expanded Playoff 645 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: means to me. On its face, what it means is, again, 646 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: as I've said for years now, we're not arguing over 647 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: who's number four. We're arguing who over who's number twelve. 648 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: I support that. I like that. But if as a 649 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: result now we're talking about greater. 650 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: Well, as a result, you could be talking about, oh, well, 651 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: number seventeen is automatically number twelve because they're in the 652 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: Big ten. 653 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: Right right, we're talking about stuff like that. I was 654 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: not smart enough at the time to see. 655 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: No, nobody was. Nobody was smart enough to me that 656 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: excs me out. No, nobody, nobody sort of foresaw in 657 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: any sort of real way that giving the top four 658 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 2: seeds two conference champions could end up with pretty significant 659 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: leap frogging and weird. And this isn't about Oregon playing 660 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: Ohio State. Just like the idea of you get a 661 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 2: plus six a plus nine point bonus, a rankings bonus 662 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: for winning your conference, even though through the course of 663 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 2: the season this is where we've determined the rankings to be. 664 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: It all very much feels like Fox and ESPN realize 665 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 2: that there is a finite amount of time that college 666 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: football is going to have this level of attention ratings value, 667 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: and so they feel like the best thing for their 668 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: inventory is to create as many obviously helmet games as possible, 669 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 2: to create as many Ohio State, Penn States, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, 670 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 2: Alabama type games as possible. That they need to wring 671 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 2: the money out of this rag as thoroughly as possible 672 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: because it might not always be there. It's really hard 673 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: to put the toothpaste back in the tube, and I 674 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 2: think they realize that as well. But you know, whether 675 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: it was realignment, whether it was expansion, whether it's all 676 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: sorts of rulings about TV, whether it was nil and 677 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: portal stuff, there have been such dramatic changes to the 678 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: sport that they realize nothing can move backwards. So while 679 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: the getting's good, this is how we're going to most 680 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: efficiently get. 681 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: The endless pursuit of more. 682 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 2: Right, it's the endless pursuit of more, but it's also 683 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: this idea of At some point somebody said, Okay, we 684 00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 2: know the main thing is this regional tapestry that there 685 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: is so much woven into the southeast, the east coast, 686 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: the Midwest. And even though Michigan rates higher than Purdue, 687 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: it's good to have Purdue around because regionally they make 688 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: sense because they're a big school, because there is something 689 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 2: that is good about having huge schools, big schools, medium 690 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 2: sized schools that have history together, and that there is 691 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: that shared bond of teams coming together. And it eventually 692 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: became like a collection of teams negotiating TV deals together 693 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 2: and what have you, and that all makes sense too. 694 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 2: But at some point TV network said, we hear you 695 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 2: about the main thing, but we want to create the 696 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: biggest possible thing for us, and it might not last forever, 697 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 2: but if it lasts for a while, that's really good 698 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: for us. And you know, if college football suffers, college 699 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 2: football suffers. But at the end of the day, we're 700 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: here for a week v at the end of the day. 701 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 2: And so that's what makes even watching ESPN content and 702 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: Fox content that much more interesting, because people are more 703 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 2: aware than ever about where the power lies. And that 704 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: people pick on Kirk Herbstreet because he doesn't have a 705 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 2: great argument, genuine as he may be in his own mind, 706 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: he doesn't have a great argument about ESPN and the 707 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: SEC and Disney, nor does anybody on Fox about the 708 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 2: Big Ten. Fox was in the negotiating room with the 709 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 2: Big ten when the Big ten met with other networks. 710 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: And that is kind of fascinating that people are so 711 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: much more informed about the gears and pulleys behind the 712 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: financial scenes that they're starting to turn on those in power. 713 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: But what does that mean practically speak? What does that mean? 714 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: If this were an elected democratic body in theory you 715 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: could say, well, you could you vote them out? Yeah, 716 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: vote them out? Right? This doesn't work like that. The 717 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: people that are voting in Greg Sank like Greg Sank. 718 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: The people that voted in Tony Petiti, they like Tony Pettiti. Sure, 719 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: And that's a very very small segment of university presidents, administrators, 720 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: power brokers in this world that are happy to accept 721 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: more money if they can. Well, what influence do we 722 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: have other than saying we're not watching, which is sort 723 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: of cutting off our nose to spider faces. What what 724 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: levers do we really have to pull? 725 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: Well, look, if you are, if you're a Penn State fan, 726 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not watching. I haven't watched Game Day 727 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 2: in years. ESPN is in the tank for the SEC. 728 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: ESPN is in the tank for who is on their 729 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 2: network whatever, So I've stopped watching Game Day. Now what 730 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,919 Speaker 2: does ESPN do to get those eyeballs back? 731 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: They're gonna add a fifth hour, that's what they're gonna do. 732 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 2: Looking at a fifth hour, they're going to go fourteen 733 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: straight hours. No, they're going to try to do the 734 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: college basketball thing and have a Big ten SEC challenge 735 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 2: so that you have to watch the SEC because Penn 736 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 2: State's going to be playing against Florida or South Carolina 737 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: or whoever, because they want to leverage that interest in 738 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 2: that you have interest in a Big ten team, or 739 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 2: you have interested in SEC team whatever, and you hate 740 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: that the Big ten did this, or do you hate that 741 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: the SEC team did that? So now if you're a 742 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: Big ten fan, you're celebrating that the SEC was knocked 743 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 2: down a few pegs this past year, and South Carolina 744 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: lost to Illinois and Alabama, who should have been in 745 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 2: the playoff, also lost to Michigan to end the year, 746 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 2: in addition to Ohio State. Right that, like, there was 747 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: this success story of the Big ten in the Midwest 748 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 2: over the South, in the SEC that you can celebrate. 749 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 2: So you're still involved, right, you're still very much You're 750 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: watching the Bowl games on ESPN, you're celebrating, you're being 751 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 2: vocal about it. So what can you do? You can 752 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: be burnt out by the whole thing. You can you 753 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 2: can stop watching. You don't have to watch game day. 754 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: You don't have to watch SEC games. You can pirate 755 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 2: a feed of your your blessed Penn State game or whatever. 756 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: This is your big play. You've talked about this one before. 757 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: Find a pirated go. 758 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 2: To sports bars. I don't know where, you know your 759 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 2: your stream won't be seen. There's not much you can do, Honestly, 760 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 2: there's not much you can do beyond not watching, not donating. 761 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 2: You hit him where it hurts if you're really if 762 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: you're really upset by this whole thing. But unfortunately, if 763 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 2: you're a fan of a team in the big ten 764 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 2: of the SEC, people are gonna watch now watch It's 765 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 2: it's the people who are rooting for Cal, It's the 766 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 2: people who are rooting for Syracuse. It's the people who 767 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 2: are rooting for Tulsa. Whatever that they're gonna be, They're 768 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 2: gonna feel left behind. And while they may watch their 769 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 2: team when their team season is over, like it's onto 770 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 2: the NBA, it's onto the NFL whatever, You're just like, 771 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: Cal's not playing, Nevada is not playing. Uh, you know, 772 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: Minnesota's not playing. I guess Minnesota is. In one of 773 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 2: those convers you're just like, I'm onto, worrying about if 774 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 2: the Twins are going to sign Joe Mauer's son or 775 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 2: something like, you're just onto somehow all of a sudden, 776 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 2: I assume. So I don't know, and Joe maherson or 777 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 2: daughter whoever, is definitely going to play major Minnesota sports. 778 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: We know this, of course, but. 779 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: You're just gonna move on like your season is going 780 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 2: to be over well, and it's going to be tough 781 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 2: to exit. It's going to be tough to It's tougher 782 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 2: to be a national college football fan if your team 783 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 2: is left behind. 784 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: It is and I would agree with that. By the way, 785 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: you bring up the Big Ten SEC college basketball ish 786 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 1: scheduling around the early season. They are talking about doing 787 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: something like that. That's another one of the items that 788 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: we didn't even bring up because there's so much else here, 789 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: so much other meat on this bone. But that is 790 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: one of the other items that's being discussed. Set up 791 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: some sort of, as they've put it, scheduling arrangement to 792 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: get the Big ten in the SEC playing on some 793 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: annual basis. I don't know exactly what that would look like. 794 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: There would be better games to watch in the early 795 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: part of the season. It would be interesting to see 796 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: how those losses factor in down the stretch. If you've 797 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: got a team with four losses, but once to the 798 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: Big Ten, the other three are to SEC teams. How 799 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: do conferences or how does some body determine who gets 800 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: through into the expanded playoff field. I don't know, but 801 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: I think on the surface, we'd get some higher level 802 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: games earlier in the season, which, again, to your point, 803 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: would definitely provoke emotion and would make some ratings pop, 804 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: at least in the earlier part of the season when 805 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: people tend to care the most about what's going on 806 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: in the regular season. Let me shift this a little 807 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: bit if I can, as we sort of round the 808 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: bend on this episode, Let's talk about what this doesn't mean. 809 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: What these proposals don't mean for college football. Right, we've 810 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: talked a lot about over the last forty minutes or so, 811 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: what it could mean, and in the short term, what 812 00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 1: it does mean for college football. What doesn't any of 813 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: this do for college football? What doesn't it mean? 814 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't make it any more national in terms 815 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 2: of conferences, even though we have conferences that are more 816 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 2: wide ranging geographically, we're still going to have Stanford traveling 817 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 2: to NC State. That there is not a West Coast 818 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 2: presence to this sport. That the idea that there's a 819 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 2: Midwestern presence or a Southern presence. Southern maybe to a 820 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 2: lesser extent, but the idea that there's a Midwestern conference 821 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: fully changes even more with realignment. What doesn't it mean? 822 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't. I tell you this, and we've 823 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: alluded to it a couple times now. It doesn't mean 824 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: that the Super League is happening yet, correct. I know 825 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,479 Speaker 1: that's a fear. I understand that fear. Maybe this gets 826 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: us closer to it, but we're not the full way 827 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: there yet. It doesn't doesn't mean that at the ACC 828 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 1: and the Big twelve are being left out of the playoff. 829 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: If anything, it could mean that more of those teams 830 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,479 Speaker 1: get in than at present. Again, I'm saying this sort 831 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: of with my fingers and toes crossed. I know that 832 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking some liberties here, but it could mean that 833 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: you've got two from each that get in. It could 834 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: mean more depending on how they handle at large teams 835 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: and things of that nature. So you're not necessarily restricting 836 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: their access to the playoff. You're just widening that pathway 837 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: for teams from the Big ten and the SEC. 838 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean yeah, continue, I was gonna say. 839 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 1: The good news with this, I guess, is that it's 840 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 1: one of the first conversations we've had in a while 841 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: about this more business version of college football that is 842 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: not in direct assault of traditional rivalries. I feel like 843 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: every argument that we have made, or every argument that 844 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: others have made as we've had the confidence free alignment 845 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: discussion over the years, all of that stuff has had 846 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: traditional rivalries in the crosshairs. This at least doesn't seem 847 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: to do that. On the surface, at least not yet, 848 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: so right, I guess that's good. And the other thing 849 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: this doesn't do. It doesn't fully kill the nc DOUBLEA. 850 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: We've talked about this, it does put the NCAA's role 851 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: in a much more diminished state. Yeah, so the NCAA 852 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: isn't going away, at least not yet, but the NCUBLEA 853 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 1: is definitely not going to have the same level of 854 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: sway with respect to college football. 855 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, it doesn't mean that the Big twelve and 856 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 2: ACC are going away, and in some ways, guaranteeing that 857 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 2: second spot would have helped the Big twelve this year. Yeah, 858 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 2: I agree, and the ACC, like say, which what Miami 859 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 2: lost to Georgia Tech late, the ACC was very close 860 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 2: to not having to teams in, And so it actually 861 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 2: does potentially help the job security of Big twelve and 862 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 2: ACC teams that you're likelier in some years with everything 863 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 2: being weighted towards the Big ten and SEC, but still 864 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 2: getting two in that helps get more. Obviously, the numbers 865 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 2: say that that probably helps more Big twelve and ACC 866 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,399 Speaker 2: teams in, but also Big twelve and ACC coaches who 867 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 2: don't get in can I think pretty truthfully say like, oh, 868 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 2: systems slanted against us. We'd had a great nine and 869 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 2: three season, we didn't have any bad losses. We upset 870 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 2: Team A and Team B. And there's almost like this 871 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 2: idea of if you're a successful coach in the Big 872 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 2: twelve and ACC and you have a good but not 873 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 2: great season, that maybe you're going to stick around a 874 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 2: little bit more because the system is so skewed against 875 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 2: you that you have an argument to be made that 876 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 2: you know it's just the system working against you, not 877 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 2: that you're mediocre coach. Whereas if you're James Franklin, if 878 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 2: you're Dan Lanning, if you're Kaylin de Borr, if you 879 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 2: are Kirby Smart, whatever, and you don't make the playoff 880 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 2: with guaranteed four spots, that's an even bigger failure. Yeah, 881 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 2: that can even heat up your seat even more, like 882 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 2: you were given four. All you do is finish in 883 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 2: the top four, and you couldn't finish in the top four, 884 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 2: And what are we paying for this roster? What are 885 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 2: we paying for all these transfers? What is your assistant pool? 886 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 2: So that weighs perhaps a little bit heavier on the 887 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 2: coaches of those huge programs who don't cry for them. 888 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 2: They're already so much more advantaged. But that's an interesting 889 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 2: wrinkle potentially. What does it not mean? 890 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you this. It doesn't mean that 891 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:55,240 Speaker 1: the effort of SMU or CAL or Stanford is in ingest. 892 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, no, the SMU play to get into the 893 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: ACC paying its own way for the first what seven years, 894 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: not taking a payout. Yeah, suddenly that decision looks pretty smart. 895 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. But it also doesn't mean the ACC is safe. 896 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 2: Even though it is. 897 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's safe. No, no, no, no, it 898 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: doesn't mean. 899 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 2: It almost underscores how much better it is to be 900 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. In SEC four teams like Florida State, 901 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 2: North Carolina, Clemson, maybe to a lesser extent, Miami, like 902 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,439 Speaker 2: those schools are still going to angle. Every Big twelve 903 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 2: school is still going to angle. All those West Coast 904 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 2: teams are still going to angle if they were in 905 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 2: the AC like that, Like, oh, is there is there 906 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 2: hope for at some point Stanford and Cal getting into 907 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 2: the Big ten If the Big ten is looking to 908 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 2: expand its West Coast footprint or something that it doesn't 909 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 2: mean that we are are locked on these conferences at all, 910 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 2: because everybody is still going to vie for Big ten 911 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: in SEC association. 912 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: The whole purpose of this is obviously to you know, 913 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: shade things in favor of the Big ten in the SEC. Yeah, 914 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 1: why don't we close out this conversation by talking about 915 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: what some of these proposals solve versus which are solutions 916 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,720 Speaker 1: that don't have a problem. 917 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 2: Okay, Right, It solves the idea of like, well, how 918 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 2: can these networks make more money? 919 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: Right? 920 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 2: How can these networks cover for some shortfalls elsewhere in 921 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 2: their corporate universes? 922 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: So let me put let me put it to you 923 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: this way. The reason I bring this up it may 924 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: seem a bit ridiculous to even close this conversation out 925 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,720 Speaker 1: by talking about what this solves. Yeah, But the reason 926 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,880 Speaker 1: that we talk about this now is because when some 927 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: of this stuff goes through, these are going to be 928 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360 Speaker 1: the talking points if you put Greg Sankey on the 929 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,280 Speaker 1: Paul Finebaum Show. These are some of the talking points. 930 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: These are some of the things that you're gonna hear 931 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: Tony Petiti say in the Big ten network. Right, these 932 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: are the reasons why they're doing this. They're going to 933 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: talk about stabilizing playoff expansion. Right, We've got a structure 934 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: we've got parameters, we know how many teams are going 935 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: to be in this thing for the foreseeable future. They're 936 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about stuff like that. They're going to 937 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: talk about on some level, and we probably did not 938 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: pay enough attention to the financial model. The new financial 939 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: model that is going to I think spring up now 940 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: as a result of the incoming house settlement, splitting off 941 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: this separate entity that will handle oversight of that. I 942 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: guess somebody needs to look over it, right, But having 943 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,760 Speaker 1: some entity setting that up, they're going to talk about 944 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,840 Speaker 1: how it solves the I guess confusion or possible confusion 945 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 1: around the new financial model. They're going to talk a 946 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: lot about, I think, how it provides greater access to 947 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 1: the playoff to your point, for everybody, right, not just 948 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: the two big conferences, obviously the smaller ones as well. 949 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: They see the big twelve group of five and I 950 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: guess you could lump them in there as well. They 951 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: will use these things as a reason to put some 952 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: of these new measures in place. Right, anything else what 953 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: else is to solve? 954 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 2: Look, Greg, thank you will be getting fewer calls from 955 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:21,680 Speaker 2: the Alabama offices about we need changes. It's bs that 956 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 2: Alabama wasn't in this playoff right like? 957 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: It does put some of the onus on the conference. Yeah, 958 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: if we do get to a. 959 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 3: Point, or the SEC and the Big Ten and the 960 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,400 Speaker 3: ACC and the Big if they have their own setup 961 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 3: for detom determining who they want their representatives to be, 962 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 3: right almost I think of this in terms of like 963 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 3: a conference basketball tournament. 964 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: It's not the same, although there have been some references 965 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: to that. If each conference can kind of decide on 966 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: its own who it's sending, that's interesting. It does take 967 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 1: some of the oners off of that playoffs action committee. 968 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: It minimizes the selection committee. But putting some of that 969 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: on individual conferences I do think is at least an 970 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,320 Speaker 1: interesting twist that I'm not fully against. 971 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 2: Oh man, you ready for tinfoil hat time always? Okay, 972 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 2: So we go to the model where as you mentioned, 973 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 2: the conferences send who they want to send and decide 974 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 2: whatever competitive structure. One and two get in three, play 975 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 2: six four plays five on conference championship weekend instead of 976 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 2: one versus two, and we call it whatever, the playing round, 977 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,880 Speaker 2: whatever we're going to call it. The SEC has Georgia 978 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 2: against MISSOO three against six. How's that game going to 979 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 2: be officiated tie. The Big Ten has Michigan taking on 980 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,320 Speaker 2: take your pick Washington four versus five. Who's getting in tie? 981 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,399 Speaker 2: I wonder who's going to be getting weirdly specific procedural penalties. 982 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 2: Can you imagine for one second, and the officials are 983 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 2: employed by can you imagine for one second officials have 984 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 2: a very difficult job. I'm not putting it on them, 985 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,320 Speaker 2: but I'm just Yeah, I want you to come with me. 986 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to come with me on this 987 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: thought experiment for a second, please, Because we have talked 988 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: at length about how disorienting this college football postseason was 989 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: this year, how we didn't know what day it was. 990 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: Everything we do is based around Saturdays. I didn't know 991 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,919 Speaker 1: what day it was for a month. Pete Sampson said 992 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: the same thing when I had him on Tuesday. 993 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 994 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how confusing this will be if each 995 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,479 Speaker 1: power conference has its own way of figuring out. 996 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, going through I'm begging, please, I'm begging 997 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 2: for the most convoluted possible scenario. 998 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 1: I want to hear from the other college football content 999 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: creators who listen to this show, some of which have 1000 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: even admitted as much. 1001 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, how dare you. 1002 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: I want to hear from those folks what they feel 1003 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: like this will do to their let's say, early December. Yeah, 1004 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: what will this do to your anxiety level in early December? 1005 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: Everybody has their own system for putting four or two 1006 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: or maybe even one team. 1007 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,759 Speaker 2: I mean everybody had their own tie breakers right this year. 1008 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I can't wait. 1009 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 2: I can't wait that like conferences are going to do 1010 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 2: different things. 1011 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: It will literally kill us. 1012 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 2: All they're after is casual fans. They college football kind 1013 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 2: of has. It's like super fans, super fans of teams, 1014 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 2: and super fans of the sport. They're kind of locked in. 1015 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 2: The sport is after the people who see as they're 1016 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 2: scrolling through their DirecTV or their YouTube TV thing or whatever, 1017 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 2: that number three is playing number seven and it's Ohio 1018 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 2: State against Georgia or whoever. You're like, oh, I know 1019 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 2: those two teams. That seems like a big game. I'm 1020 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 2: gonna watch it. That's all they're after. At the end 1021 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 2: of the day, playoff ratings come down to that guy 1022 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 2: or gal. I watched a video because I suck at 1023 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 2: the video game. I watched a video of a guy talking. 1024 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: Through how better to play defense, which I still can't 1025 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: do and I haven't met anybody who actually can. But 1026 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: he inserted a little quip in his video talking about 1027 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't watch college football. I'm good at the game 1028 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 1: and know how to play the game. Yeah, I don't 1029 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: watch this. This isn't for me. But these are a 1030 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of the same people who are used to watching 1031 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: the NFL used playing Madden, a lot of the same 1032 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,439 Speaker 1: people who appreciate the fact that the college football game 1033 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 1: came out a little bit earlier and they could start 1034 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: playing it sooner. The season runs later than ever. It's 1035 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: not fully to spec with the NFL season, but it's 1036 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: gotten a lot closer now with this expanded playoff field, 1037 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: to the point college football wants more of those people 1038 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: to watch. Of course, whether the game is helping drive it, 1039 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: whether it's this and convoluted playoff qualification driving it or 1040 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: just a different playoff system driving it, that's who they're 1041 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: fishing for. 1042 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 2: And it is It is a sport right now that 1043 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 2: it is making. That is it's more impossible than ever 1044 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 2: to have a famous player in the sport because of 1045 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 2: movement around the sport, because you are not going to 1046 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 2: be as attached to a player on your team, a 1047 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 2: star player, especially if you have a star player that 1048 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 2: plays for a non huge program, they're like, why would 1049 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 2: you get attached to him? And so it is harder 1050 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 2: to have household names in this sport with all of 1051 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 2: the movement and how difficult it is to hold on 1052 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 2: to quality players even at pretty good places. It's just difficult. 1053 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 2: And so it seems like. 1054 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 1: I think it's harder to keep your famous players. I 1055 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: think you're still going to have the same amount, but 1056 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: it's if you're a pail use. Pit is an example 1057 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: of the time. Sure, if you've got a household player 1058 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: on PIT, it's going to be hard to hold on 1059 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: to that guy. 1060 00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, But even even if your pit player goes to USC, 1061 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,959 Speaker 2: like Jordan Addison, We've said this before, right, like he's 1062 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 2: not fun for a pitfan to root for, and he's 1063 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 2: just a guy for a USC fan to root for. 1064 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Nobody fell in love with Jordan Adison at USC. Is 1065 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 2: there for a year. Maybe if you're there for a 1066 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,200 Speaker 2: couple of years, it's different, Like I don't think people 1067 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 2: are gonna look back in three four years, And like 1068 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 2: man Dyan Gabriel was my guy who's there for three 1069 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 2: and a half months. 1070 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, six, it's very transactional. It's it's gotten much more transactional. 1071 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,880 Speaker 2: It's a much more transactional thing. And it's just it's 1072 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 2: harder to it's already difficult when a player is likely 1073 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 2: only going to be a star player for two years. 1074 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll get like special cases like Jeremiah Smith, who's 1075 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 2: going to be a full on star for three years, 1076 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 2: but really you're getting two years, maybe a year and 1077 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,560 Speaker 2: a half something of star potential in the sport. You 1078 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 2: turn people off, which I think is stupid, but it 1079 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 2: has It does seem to be a thing. You turn 1080 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 2: people off with nil stuff and getting paid, and that's 1081 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 2: sort of what people perceive to be crazy prices that 1082 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 2: are happening, crazy contracts, crazy dollar figures associated with these players. 1083 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,120 Speaker 2: And so it is becoming much more like rooting for 1084 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 2: laundry than it is, like this guy is my guy. 1085 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 2: He's been here for four or five years, and I've 1086 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 2: loved watching in these past few years. That I just 1087 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,960 Speaker 2: think it's going to be more difficult. This isn't you know, 1088 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes somewhere for fifteen years that like you gain 1089 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 2: this familiarity. Coaches are turned off by this whole thing, right, 1090 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 2: coaches are turned off if we see coaches go to 1091 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 2: the NFL or choose to become coordinators or retire because 1092 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 2: of the all the levers and pulleys involved behind the 1093 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 2: scenes with the sport. And so if you don't have 1094 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 2: fame and star power being associated with a major sport, 1095 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how you get that casual fan consistently. 1096 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:53,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 1097 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. The thing that this doesn't solve 1098 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:04,000 Speaker 1: among others, Okay, this doesn't solve the question of whether 1099 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,880 Speaker 1: or not this whole system is stable. You know, they 1100 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: might argue that certain aspects of it, as a result 1101 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,440 Speaker 1: of the Big Ten and SEC's growing influence, certain aspects 1102 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: of it are more stable. That wouldn't be untrue. But 1103 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: what I don't think we know, and we can only 1104 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 1: cynically assume at this point, is whether or not this 1105 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,080 Speaker 1: full steer into the Big Ten and the SEC having 1106 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:38,440 Speaker 1: greater control is going to provide longer term stability or 1107 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 1: if it's going to lead quicker to fragmentation, something breaking 1108 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: off and kind of starting anew on like under its 1109 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: own banner. I think that's what a lot of people 1110 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 1: are fearing and part of why we decided to do 1111 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: this episode is because I think we fear it too. Sure, 1112 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: I just worry that this is flying a little too 1113 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: close to the sun, and it's like a precursor for 1114 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: what's to come, which is the Big Ten in the 1115 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: SEC just sort of splitting off, creating their own thing, 1116 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: and everyone else be damned. 1117 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 2: You just can't keep changing it. You need to give 1118 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,680 Speaker 2: people a sense of stability. And if you keep changing 1119 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 2: the postseason, if the NBA keeps changing the All Star Game, 1120 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 2: you're just driving people away more and more. Noah, I 1121 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 2: don't see who this is for in term like who 1122 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 2: was like in terms of this season. Yes, Indiana was 1123 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 2: super happy, but they've been around the Big ten forever. Sure, 1124 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,920 Speaker 2: I think Oregon fans, some people love that they're in 1125 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,480 Speaker 2: the Big Ten. It's undoubtedly a bigger stage than the 1126 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,280 Speaker 2: Pac twelve was recently. But I think a lot of 1127 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 2: Oregon people, even after a thirteen and o season, are 1128 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 2: saying to themselves, maybe this is just me projecting, are 1129 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 2: saying to themselves. Felt weird, felt weird not to play 1130 01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 2: Washington State, felt weird not to play. The Bay Area teams, 1131 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,439 Speaker 2: felt weird that not to play in arizon A team 1132 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,600 Speaker 2: felt weird not to play Utah Colorado whatever. A year after, 1133 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, I had like the deon Sanders, Dan Lanning, 1134 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,480 Speaker 2: you know, play for clicks, play for wins, whatever. It 1135 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 2: felt strange. Maybe that was a year one thing. SMU 1136 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,959 Speaker 2: fans are thrilled. SMU fans feel like they're back where 1137 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 2: they should be after so long and got to the playoff. 1138 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,480 Speaker 2: We're right there, you know, on the doorstep of winning 1139 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 2: the ACC But otherwise, I think you'd be hard pressed 1140 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 2: to find a large swath of college football fans who 1141 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,200 Speaker 2: are just like, bring on more changes, every single one 1142 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 2: of them. The sport gets better and better. Yeah, I 1143 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 2: think you'd be hard pressed to find the people who 1144 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 2: are just like enjoying this current ride at the hands 1145 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 2: of Tony Pettiti and Greg Sank and Fox in ESPN, like, 1146 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 2: who are really loving this roller coaster that they can't 1147 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 2: wait for the next tunnel, they can't wait for the 1148 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,320 Speaker 2: next jumps, they can't wait for the next splash, right 1149 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 2: like it. Again, I've said this before, I'm not a 1150 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 2: huge fan of using TV ratings as a guiding light. 1151 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: Well, I said that before. 1152 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 2: I'm not that I'm trying my best not to be 1153 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 2: that guy period. Also pretty shocked a lot of people 1154 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 2: didn't want to watch Ohio State Notre Dame. 1155 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: No. 1156 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,880 Speaker 2: I was like, man, what a coup that you could 1157 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 2: get these two enormous fan bases, enormous helmet game between 1158 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,720 Speaker 2: Ohio State and Notre Dame. You have, you know, the 1159 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 2: Ohio State story with losing to Michigan and Ryan Day 1160 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 2: potentially turning the things around and having maybe the most 1161 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,880 Speaker 2: exciting offensive player in the country and Jeremiah Smith recognizable 1162 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 2: names behind like Chip Kelly, Like, this is what you 1163 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 2: want out of a TV product, And on the other 1164 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 2: side you get Notre Dame and love him or hate him, 1165 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:50,760 Speaker 2: you got an opinion of him. You want to see 1166 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,480 Speaker 2: him win, you want to see him get killed. Whatever, 1167 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 2: This is great And maybe you had been sick of 1168 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,560 Speaker 2: the sec on this stage for so long. Maybe that 1169 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 2: was you. And then not a lot of people watched. 1170 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,800 Speaker 2: Not a lot of people watch the SEMIS with Texas 1171 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 2: in it and Penn State in it. Comparatively speaking, that 1172 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 2: it's not trending in the direction and the ideal direction 1173 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:19,360 Speaker 2: for ESPN. That's interesting to me. It's not everything, it's 1174 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 2: one year, it's something interesting to monitor moving forward that 1175 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 2: like this was all for TV, the fewer people are 1176 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 2: watching on TV now. 1177 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Well, look, we have done a whole lot of yapp 1178 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,880 Speaker 1: in Yeah, so we do. 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I try not to sell that too 1198 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 1: too hard, but we've got a great community of college 1199 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,600 Speaker 1: football fans out there, many of whom are very interested 1200 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: in this subject and talk about it a lot. Of course, 1201 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 1: we welcome the commentary of our patreon for ballerhood to 1202 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: weigh in. Leave us comments, send us messages on discord, 1203 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on some of these developments. 1204 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Now we'll see where this goes. We'll see if some 1205 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,320 Speaker 1: of these proposals make it through, if all of them 1206 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,479 Speaker 1: make it through. Truly don't know which way this whole 1207 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 1: thing's headed, but for the time being, we have a plenty, 1208 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: plenty of stuff to talk about. 1209 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about Notre Dame beyond the TV 1210 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 2: ratings and how they fit into all of this and 1211 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,760 Speaker 2: whether they would be eligible as if we get rid 1212 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 2: of the automatic qualifying conference. You know, the top four 1213 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,360 Speaker 2: seeds going to buy, the top two seeds get to buy. 1214 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 2: Is Notre Dame qualify for that? If they finish ranked 1215 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 2: in the top whatever, like that becomes a thing that 1216 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, is Notre Dame going to feel any more 1217 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,240 Speaker 2: pressure if the money keeps going up in the big 1218 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,880 Speaker 2: ten sec whatever, If they're going to be courted for 1219 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 2: like this new college football order. Like, that's definitely a thing. 1220 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,920 Speaker 1: It's definitely a thing. I mean, we're gonna have to 1221 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,120 Speaker 1: see how all that shakes out. Notre Dame was able 1222 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,400 Speaker 1: to negotiate what amounted to a sweetheart deal, yeah, in 1223 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: this first year of the twelve team expanded era. And 1224 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,720 Speaker 1: my hunch is that they're smart enough to figure out 1225 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,720 Speaker 1: another way to do just that if this thing takes 1226 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: another turn. But in due course, we'll talk about that 1227 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,679 Speaker 1: once we figure out where all this is headed. 1228 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and but what does that mean for Notre Dames 1229 01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 2: or really anybody's schedule. We didn't mention that eight or 1230 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 2: nine conference games where like I think basically all of 1231 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,800 Speaker 2: the Big Ten played in ten Power conference games, and 1232 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 2: it was like nine for the SEC. And so how 1233 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 2: do you get over that hurdle? And you know, if 1234 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,360 Speaker 2: the Big ten of the SEC are aligned, are they 1235 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 2: going to get on the same page in terms of 1236 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,520 Speaker 2: conference games? And if they had a big ten SEC challenge, 1237 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,519 Speaker 2: that's what an eleventh game or something for a lot 1238 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,080 Speaker 2: of the Big ten teams, And so that needs to 1239 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,080 Speaker 2: be from a competitive standpoint discussed. Here's the other thing, 1240 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Ty This is my final thought because you mentioned that 1241 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,320 Speaker 2: you can you can comment on this show, whether you're 1242 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,800 Speaker 2: watching on YouTube listening on Spotify. You can email us 1243 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 2: at solidverbal at gmail dot com. I want to know 1244 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 2: the weirdest piece of technology you've used to listen to 1245 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 2: this show, like a modded washing machine or I don't 1246 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,519 Speaker 2: know if washing machines have speakers, but something has to 1247 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,519 Speaker 2: play the little jingle, right, Sure that like a modded 1248 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 2: up Dreamcast or T mobile sidekick. That's somebody was able 1249 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,360 Speaker 2: to find because they live somewhere overseas and there was 1250 01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,040 Speaker 2: some market that was selling old electronics and be like, 1251 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 2: oh man, I got my hands on this laser disc 1252 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,360 Speaker 2: player and that's how I listened to Tie and Ann. 1253 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 2: I don't know how that technology works out so that 1254 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,719 Speaker 2: you could, but I want to know the weirdest piece 1255 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 2: of technology that you've at least recently used to listen 1256 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:20,519 Speaker 2: to this show. 1257 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Wow, I wish you had given me a little bit 1258 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: more lead time. I could have pulled up some of 1259 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,600 Speaker 1: the weirdest apps and weirdest places that had listened to 1260 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: this show. 1261 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 2: For sure, No, I know, but you definitely like sometimes 1262 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 2: see that. Like I installed mac os on my car. 1263 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,600 Speaker 2: I guess there's car play, but I installed you know, 1264 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:44,759 Speaker 2: Android on this old Nintendo, and I appreciate the spirit 1265 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,040 Speaker 2: of those people. And I want to know if anybody 1266 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 2: has used that older technology or weirder technology as a 1267 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,360 Speaker 2: mode to listen to this nonsense. That's what I want 1268 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 2: to know. 1269 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Ty, you always see those mods right on that note, 1270 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,600 Speaker 1: we leave it there. Nineteen people listen to us on 1271 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:08,400 Speaker 1: a Garmin. Uh well the last month, let's say, okay, 1272 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,640 Speaker 1: on there like GPS. I have no idea how you 1273 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,839 Speaker 1: do that. Didn't know they had a speaker, but nineteen 1274 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,519 Speaker 1: people listened on that. Got a couple Alexas here. I 1275 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,479 Speaker 1: guess that's not I want to send you can prove 1276 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,280 Speaker 1: if Google podcasts two people on Google I thought they 1277 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,480 Speaker 1: killed Google podcasts. 1278 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well go ahead, you were so want you to think. 1279 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 2: I want to know if somebody has in the last year. 1280 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,080 Speaker 2: Do you think there has been one person? And if 1281 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,760 Speaker 2: you can prove this is you, I will send you 1282 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,040 Speaker 2: a free solid verbal shirt that has listened to us 1283 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,919 Speaker 2: the way that I used to listen to old pirated 1284 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,200 Speaker 2: Howard Stern episodes, which is downloading this show and burning 1285 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,960 Speaker 2: it onto a CDR. If you have downloaded a show 1286 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 2: in the last year and can prove that you listen 1287 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,120 Speaker 2: back to it on a CDR. I will send you. 1288 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,599 Speaker 1: The computers that they're selling these days. Don't even offer 1289 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the seats. 1290 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 2: They don't even offer a guitars that, yeah, I know 1291 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,600 Speaker 2: you can buy. I'm sure there's like and I know 1292 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 2: this to be true because I had to do it 1293 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,519 Speaker 2: in order to digitize one. You have to go to 1294 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 2: like the corner of best Buy to find a DVD player. 1295 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to go to like this guy in 1296 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,200 Speaker 1: the geek squad does this. 1297 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,439 Speaker 2: Now you have to well, first of all, you can't 1298 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,000 Speaker 2: find a young person. If you find a young person 1299 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 2: in best Buy, you're like, I'm looking for a DVD player. 1300 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,080 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me go back. I'm looking for there's 1301 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,840 Speaker 2: this old machine. Let's get Donald out of the You're 1302 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,040 Speaker 2: gonna have to get a guy from the back who's 1303 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,000 Speaker 2: been on an unusually long lunch break to help you out. 1304 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 2: I won't know if somebody listened to the show on 1305 01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,320 Speaker 2: a CDR. CDRW counts as well. Cassette table send you 1306 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,800 Speaker 2: two shirts. But yeah, that's how I eat, Like two 1307 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,400 Speaker 2: thousand and seven six five somewhere in there. I used 1308 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,920 Speaker 2: to download Howard Stern episodes, which were great because they 1309 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,840 Speaker 2: were compressed to be so small. There'll be like eighty 1310 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,640 Speaker 2: four megabytes for four and a half hours of Yeah, 1311 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,800 Speaker 2: it was great, but that's how I used to listen. 1312 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 2: I want to know. Okay, this this has gone on 1313 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 2: far too long, but I'll send you a shirt. 1314 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,360 Speaker 1: Dan will send you a shirt. All right, Why don't 1315 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,000 Speaker 1: we leave it there again, weigh and let us know 1316 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts on all of this. We would greatly appreciate 1317 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 1: your input. For that guy over there, my good friend 1318 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein for my self, Tie hilding Brand, thank you 1319 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: as always for bearing with us, for dannloading, for listening, 1320 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: for supporting, for helping us along. We will be back 1321 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,320 Speaker 1: next week. You won't want to miss it. For that 1322 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,719 Speaker 1: go there again, Dan Rubinstein for my self, Ti hild Brand, 1323 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,400 Speaker 1: as always, stay solid. 1324 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 2: Peace,