1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's our two on this Thursday, Dan and 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the Dane Stan Patrick Show. Gangs all here ready to go. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Spend some time with the Commissioner of the SEC, Greg Sanky. 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: He might as well be the commissioner of college football. 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: But he said, look, we're gonna stay the course. We're 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: gonna plan on football coming up Labor Day weekend until 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we hear otherwise. That should be the approach. I get it, 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have alternatives, Plan b's, plan CS, plan d's. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I think everything's on the table, and not only the SEC, 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: but all these other schools, all of these other sports programs, 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: all these other leagues. I just don't think we're going 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: to have fans in the stands. I don't think that 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: you're going to be able to do that this year, 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: this calendar year. And as we move into the new 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty one, what kind of precautions safeguards 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: do we have in place where people are going to 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: feel comfortable being around other people? And I think that's 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: really the that's the hurdle. There's a mental hurdle that 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: you're going to have because if you know you've taken 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: care of yourself and your family. You don't know when 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: you go to the store, when you were out walking, 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: or you know you're you could be anywhere. You don't 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: know where that person who's six feet away from you 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: has been. And that's where you're going to have that 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: going to some of these sporting events, you're just not 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: quite sure, and I think that you're going to have 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are going to stay away 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: all right. Age seven seven three D P show email 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: address DP at Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle a 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: DP show. Roy Williams, North Carolina head coach will join us. 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Roy about Michael Jordan recruiting Michael Jordan, 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: who was then Mike Jordan became Michael Jordan when he 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: hit the jumper to beat Georgetown to win the national championship. 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: So we'll talk to Roy about what he makes of 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: the documentary so far. I think Kobe Bryant is going 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: to be featured in the next weekend, next two episodes. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: There looks like Reggie Miller is going to be an 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: episode eight or nine. But it feels like there's a 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: there's one person we focus on with every episode, whether 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: it's Jerry Krause at Scottie Pippen, now Isaiah Thomas and 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: the bad Boys. Then I think it's going to be 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: on the Jordan Brand, Kobe Bryant, his rivalry with Reggie Miller. 44 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the culmination is going to be. 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: That's the one part of this that I'm interested in. 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: What did the film crew get at the end of 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: that night in Utah when Mike hits the game winning shot, 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: wins the championship. What did they get after that? That's 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: what I'm curious about, because most of the information, most 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: of the footage I was around it. I'm not shocked 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: by anything, at least not yet. I knew there was 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: hatred with the Pistons. I knew that was not going 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: to weigh It wasn't going to dissipate. I knew that 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: there was acrimony between Michael and Jerry Krause. Just what 55 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes, you know, Scottie with 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: his contract, there were things that every you know that 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: with public information there, I'm waiting to have that. Wow, 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: I did not know that. I knew Mike was tough 59 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: on his teammates. I knew that he was, you know, 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: a guy who wanted a chip, he wanted a grudge. 61 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: Now you get to see it. I saw where Ken Burns, 62 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the great documentary documentary producer director, he said, you know 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: this isn't a true documentary because you're letting Michael's people 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: control this product. Well, if I said you can have this, 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: but Michael's going to be involved in it and have 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: the final say, or you don't have it. I understand 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: where ESPN would say, hey, we're going to take it 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: because the director is doing his best to try to 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: present this and have objectivity. But understand, Michael's going to 70 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: get the last word if somebody says something in the documentary. 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Michael got to pick who he wanted to be interviewed 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: for this, so it's not a true documentary. But if 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: I said to Ken Burns, you could do a Babe 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Ruth documentary. His family has hundreds of hours of exclusive 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: stuff with Babe Ruth, but they want to have editorial control, 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: at least to a point. What Ken Burns, who gave 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: us so many great documentaries, would he say, no, I 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: won't do that. Now ken Burns might say that, he 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: might say no if I'm gonna you either, if you 80 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: bring it to me. You trust me to provide you 81 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: with a great documentary, and I will present both sides. 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: I will give you an honest opinion of this. I 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: will present the facts. That's probably what ken Burns would do. 84 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: But you know, this is if you're ESPN and Michael's 85 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: going to be involved in something and he's gonna have 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the final say it's not a true documentary, but it's entertained. 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: That's how I viewed this. This is entertainment. This isn't 88 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the you know, definite answer with everything. I'm not looking 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: at this going well in the documentary. It's like Rod Thorne. 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: Rod Thorne who worked with the Commissioner David Stern. He 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: was on I think Golik and Wingo yesterday. He was 92 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: on ESPN and he was so he second in command 93 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: and he said Michael did not tell anybody not to 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: have Isaiah Thomas on the Dream Team. Okay, maybe Rod 95 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Thorne is protecting the late Commissioner David Stern. I cannot 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: imagine that Michael Jordan didn't say I'm going to be 97 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: on the Dream Team. This is who I don't want 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: on the dream too. Michael wanted to be around his friends. 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Michael wanted to play golf. That's what Michael wanted to do. 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, the gold medal was never in question. You know, 101 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: Larry Bird was on that team as sort of a 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: ceremonial place because Larry has done playing basketball. You know, 103 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: should Chris Mullen have been on there instead of Isaiah? 104 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: Like if you start to go down the roster. Isaiah 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: is one of the great players of all time, obviously, 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: but you know, John Stockton's not going to make any waves. 107 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: Drexler and Jordan, you know, that was a good guy 108 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: for Jordan to go against in practice. You know, Barkley 109 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: was entertaining for and Patrick Ewing and Bird formed a 110 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: friendship there. Chuck Daley loved to play golf, so Jordan 111 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: got to play golf. And I just start to take 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: inventory of that team. Kristin Laytner was on there because 113 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: they were taking a college player and Laytner was basically 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: a team manager. And you know, you were saying, hey, 115 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: to the old college style, we're going to have somebody 116 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: on there. But if I, if I go down the roster, 117 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: it just makes sense. Michael wanted to have fun. You 118 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: want me to represent our country and the NBA and 119 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: this was. You know, if you look at how impactful 120 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: that was on global basketball, I don't think that you 121 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: can overestimate how impactful the Dream Team was. Because all 122 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: of these players who said they got a chance to 123 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: see this, I mean, Jenobley said this, Dirk Nevitsky said this, 124 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: They all wanted to watch. They stay up till, you know, 125 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: three in the morning to be able to watch this. Michael, 126 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: I understand if if he had the power, because Chuck 127 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Daly was Isaiah's coach, there is no way I can 128 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: emat no way, no way, no way, no way, no way, 129 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Chuck Daly is gonna go, Hey, I want Isaiah on 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the team. And so this has to be Michael coming in, 131 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: Michael saying, hey, Chuck, I'm sorry, I want to have fun, 132 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: I want to play golf. We're gonna win by fifty. 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: And if they if I'm going to do this, this 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: is the roster that I want there. I just think 135 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: that that makes sense. And Rod Thorne, he was there, 136 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: He can have his opinion. I respect his opinion. I 137 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: think he's protecting the commissioner and he's protecting Michael. I 138 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: really do. But you know, until I hear that, like 139 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: if I had that that'd be one of those Okay, 140 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: all right, finally heard it. Well, because I don't know 141 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: if we're hearing anything about Michael and his gambling. I 142 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know if we're hearing anything about is there a 143 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: real reason why he went to play baseball in the 144 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: prime of his career. I don't know if we're going 145 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: to get in and maybe those are the answers that 146 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: we have, are the real answers, I don't know, but 147 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: those questions have lingered, and I don't know how much 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Michael is going to let an independent director go in 149 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: and ask these people about things. And I think that's 150 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: the difference here. It's fun, it's great to watch. I 151 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: think it was calculated on Michael's part to release this 152 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: just when Lebron wins another championship. I get it. I 153 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: get all of those things because I was around Jordan. 154 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: You have to understand who he is, and you can't 155 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: sit there and go would he be that competitive? Yes? Yes, 156 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: you're seeing in a real time right front of you. 157 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: For I'll go to my grave. I'll go to my 158 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: grave thinking that Michael said. I don't want to say, 159 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: why would he? Okay, let me backtrack here, so I'm 160 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: going to listen to Rod Thorne, second in command in 161 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: the NBA. All Right, Fine, maybe he's telling the truth. 162 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what he thinks happened. Look at what 163 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: Michael went through with the Pistons for three years. They 164 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: physically assaulted him every time they played. Their job was 165 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: to bring him back down to earth literally. Okay, so 166 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: start with that. Then the story that Isaiah Thomas said 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: to the teammates on the Eastern Conference All Star team, 168 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: freeze out Jordan. Okay, freeze out Jordan. This is the 169 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: ultimate payback. I'm going to take away a gold medal 170 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: from you, man, because everybody knew the Dream Team was 171 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: gonna win. You want to embarrass me, I'm going to 172 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: public shit, publicly shame you. I'm not going to have 173 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: you on the Dream Team. We're having fun, holding press conference, 174 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: we're playing golf, we're having a great time. We're legends 175 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: the picture. You've got a gold medals, some of the 176 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: greats of the game, and you're not there. You can't say, oh, 177 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: Michael's not that competitive, that petty. Yeah he is, yeah, point, 178 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: and I think people cannot. You can't overst him in 179 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: how big that team was at the time, because it 180 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: used to be college players and then the pros and 181 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: that first All Star team, that first Dream team. We 182 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: had Barkley on your stay. Charles Barkley a vital member. 183 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: I think he was a leading scorer on that team. 184 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: He stole souvenirs from other players. Charles stole souvenirs, not 185 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: the ball boy. Charles has a wall behind him yesterday 186 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: of Dream Team memorabilia. That is the peak of his career. 187 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: I also saw this story at Well. Craig Elo was interviewed. 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: Craig Elo is infamously remembered for the guy who's hanging 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: in the air when Michael goes up to hit the 190 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: game winning shot against the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference Finals. 191 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Mike goes up, craig Eglo goes up, and craig Elo 192 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: comes down. Mike continues to go up hits the jumper 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: to beat the Cavaliers, who are up there amongst the 194 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: most talented teams to never win an NBA title. But 195 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: craig Ilow was interviewed and he said that, you know, 196 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: he's looked at as the guy that was guarding Jordan 197 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: with Jordan hit the game winning jumper. Now Craig Elo, 198 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: by his own accounts, says, I didn't play great. I 199 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: let in great position. Here's there's so many problems with 200 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: that play, so many problems. You know, you got an old, 201 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: old school coach and Lenny Wilkins, and you know, are 202 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: you gonna guard the guy throwing the ball in? Are 203 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: you gonna guard Michael? Jordan's the only guy on the 204 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: floor that you have to worry about. And this always, 205 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: for the life of me, I never understood this with coaches. 206 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put three guys on. Jordan will not touch 207 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: the ball. He's not getting the ball, absolutely positively not 208 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: getting the ball. You can't let him in and then 209 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: back out get the ball. And now all of a 210 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: sudden he's got Larry Nance in front of him, and 211 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: then he you know, to ELO's credit, he made him 212 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: go left. He didn't let him get to his strong hand. 213 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: But Elo was not in great position there. But he said, 214 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: the thing that bothered him is Ron Harper was on 215 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the calves, and Ron Harper was the one who wanted 216 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: to guard Jordan in that situation. I'd never heard that story, 217 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: and Craig Elo was shocked by it as well, because 218 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to guess Craig Elo was probably in the 219 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: huddle when they were handing out the defensive assignments there, 220 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: but he said that. You know, Ron Harper said this 221 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: on episode three of the Last Dance, that we're on 222 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: the floor together, and I was like, all guard Mike, 223 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: so you don't expend all the energy. It was a 224 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: no brainer. Now Elo had hit the shot that put 225 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland up first time out. We weren't doing anything but 226 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: catching our breath. I don't remember him saying I got 227 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: MJ to the five of us. He could have said 228 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: it and walked out onto the court. Whatever he said, 229 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't directed at the rest of us. I know. 230 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: I've conversed through Twitter with former teammates Mark Price and 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Larry Nance. They were shocked he'd say something like that. 232 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: I think he and MJ are such close friends now 233 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: that it might have been, hey, let's cause some commotion here. 234 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: When he was on those Bowls championship teams, his defense 235 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: was well he was known for but at that time, no, 236 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: he was an offensive player. Not that he'd back away 237 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: from it. But I didn't hear him say that in 238 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: the huddle. His stuff still goes on because Jordan's involved 239 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: in it. I can say this. I don't remember Ron 240 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Harper being on the floor. I remember Price Nance and 241 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Brad Doherty and Craig Elo. But if Ron Harper, wouldn't 242 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: you think if somebody says I got him, Hey, I 243 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: want Mike, like Elo probably said, I'll take the challenge. 244 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody in that situation goes I 245 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: want Mike. You know, he's getting the ball, game on 246 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: the line and a trip to the NBA Finals. But 247 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: Ron Harper revisioned his history saying, yeah, I wanted to 248 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: guard him. They wouldn't let me. It would have helped 249 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: if they had a better defensive strategy by the team. 250 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: How about I don't put somebody on the ball, and 251 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: I put two guys on Jordan. I don't let him 252 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: get the ball at all. I want Brad Sellers to 253 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: be wide open with the game on the line. That's 254 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, when great players hit a game winning shot, 255 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I want to know how they got the ball to 256 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: hit the game winning shot. I was at the Boston 257 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: Garden when the Lakers and Celtics. When when the Lakers 258 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: beat the Celtics in the Garden to win the title, 259 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: and all they have to do. They got a couple 260 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: of seconds left. Celtics had the ball. James Worthy is 261 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: guarding Larry Bird. He loses Larry Bird birds in the 262 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: corner and clanks off the back of the iron. I 263 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: can't imagine that. The defensive strategy at the time by 264 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: Riles was, Hey, James, you're gonna be on bird by yourself. 265 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: It's going to bird. If it's somebody else who beat you, man, 266 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: I'll live to That's why when John Paxson hit the shot, 267 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: they find the phoenix suns. I'm like, okay, pax beat us. 268 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr hit a big shot. It wasn't Jordan. If 269 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, I'll take that. It's when you have a 270 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: great player who gets the ball and you somehow let 271 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: him get the ball and then you start to play defense. 272 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: My defense starts when you don't get the ball. That's 273 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: the approach I would always have, and I you know, 274 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Craig Iloe is always remembered for that. He's just there 275 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: hanging for a little while. He goes down. Mike continues 276 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: to hang and hits you know the shot that changed 277 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the NBA. Yeah, Pa, you mentioned that the play before that, 278 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: right before they did this great play where they did 279 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: inbounds and got it back to Elo for this great 280 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: easy layup. He would have won that series for them. 281 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: And he was a pretty considered a good player, not 282 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: a great NBA player, but player all around player. But 283 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: he's he is in history for one thing, and it's 284 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: a negative. Yep. It drives me crazy when I see 285 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: the star player gets the ball. No no, no, no, no, no, 286 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't. I don't want him to have the ball. 287 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put two guys on him and he's 288 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: not moving. I know Mike's a great athlete. I don't 289 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: want a six eleven guy guarding him like Larry Nance. 290 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: But man, if you want to put Harper on him, 291 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: you want to put Elo on him together, make have 292 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: somebody wide open so it doesn't go to Michael. You 293 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: know what the strategy was by Doug Collins in that situation. 294 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Doug Collins said, just give Michael the ball, get the 295 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: bleep out of the way, and give So that's what 296 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: he said to the media, Get the bleep out of 297 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: the way. That's great strategy there. You know you have 298 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: this zen Matt. Can you imagine Phil Jackson saying, let's 299 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: just get the bleep out of the way and give 300 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the ball to Mike. I might have done that, but 301 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: you know Phil's drawing up things and diagrams and all 302 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: that because you're on camera. You know the cameras are 303 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: Sam home Man, look at that coach man, he's see 304 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: devising a play. You go to the Bulls huddle and 305 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: you got Doug Collins going, hey, just get to bleep 306 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: out of the way. Let Michael score. That's a coaching 307 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: genius right there. Yeah. It always makes me think of 308 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: the end of the movie Hoosiers, Normandale out thinking himself, 309 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Gene Hackman trying to give the ball to their version 310 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: of Paxon Merle to kick it out to him while 311 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy Chitwood. It's like nine for nine in that game 312 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: and just dominating. Uh. But you know what happened. They 313 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: let Jimmy have the ball right single coverage. Yes, Oh, 314 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I was so angry at that coach Indianapolis Central. Yes, 315 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: they deserve to lose. I got a double team, Jimmy Chitwood. 316 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: You said that back then, Yes, I did double I'm 317 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: in the movie theater. Double team. Chitwood didn't listen to me. 318 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: Hit thirty points. I know, I know, I'd have Ali, 319 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: I'd let Alie have the ball. I want him. Oh gosh, 320 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: fusiers makes me mad. I'll approve though here already has 321 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: ice water in his Oh you can and at the 322 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: free throw line. Yeah, yeah, that's a pressure moments sunk 323 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: them all right. Roy Williams recruited somebody named Mike Jordan. 324 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk to him about that recruiting trip and when 325 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: did he realize all of a sudden, this guy has 326 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: a chance to be one of the greats of all time. 327 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: We'll take a break. It's twenty after the hour. Glad 328 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: you're part of the program Dan and The Dan at 329 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: Stan Patrick Show. Oh, Discover is discovering that maybe you 330 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: haven't discovered all the great things that Discover is able 331 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: to give you great credit card. 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Find your local station for 345 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, 346 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 347 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: by searching f S R and my thanks to Doug 348 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Gottlieb keeping me honest saying that was an opening round 349 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: victory by the Chicago Bulls over the Cleveland Cavaliers. When 350 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Michael hit that shot over Craig Elo. I think Ron 351 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: Harper's got revisionist history. I don't think that Harp said 352 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: in the huddle, Hey, I got Michael Jordan. You know, 353 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: worst case scenario, I got to have Michael get the 354 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: ball in the backcourt. I have to force him into 355 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: the backcourt because there's not much time there. And you 356 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: know that added to or maybe started the groundswell the 357 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: Jordan legacy in the NBA. Of now you had to 358 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: worry about this team, but hitting that shot over craig 359 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Elo poored craig Elo. Anybody ever says anything they mentioned 360 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: craig Elo, they go, oh, yeah, you're the guy that 361 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: was garden Jordan. Many many guys have tried to guard Jordan. 362 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: Roy Williams saw this genius before anybody else. The North 363 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: Carolina head coach joining us, Oh the beard looks good, coach, whoa, 364 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: it looks good. I told Pauli and Todd that my 365 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: wife and grandchild and think I look like Papa Smurf. 366 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: You look like you're related to Popovich. Several people have 367 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: told me that Pop's a great friend. I would like 368 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: it when anybody compares me to Pop. All right, as 369 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: a journalist, I have to look over your right shoulder. 370 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: By the way, beautiful home, is that the Christmas tree 371 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: still up? We have a tree that stays up, but 372 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: it has birds and squirrels. Okay, we'll go out at 373 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the grandchildren make sure they can say what is what? 374 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: All right? Well, just as a journalist, I wanted to 375 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: make sure that if the Christmas tree was up in 376 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: the Christmas spirit year around at the Williams compound, then 377 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm all for that. But thank you coach for joining 378 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: us here. What have you taken away from the first 379 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: four episodes of the Bulls documentary? Oh, it just you know, 380 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: I lived's part of the episodes one and two, and 381 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: then I was such a huge fan of Michael and 382 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: love him to death. And he treats me the same 383 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: way now that he did when he was playing at 384 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Hasn't changed me at all, But it was 385 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: brought back great memories. And I heard you talking about, 386 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe forced him in the backcourt. If I'd 387 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: been the coach of the Cavaliers, they should have just 388 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: gone to the locker room. Really it was over. Yeah, 389 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: but I gotta it, wouldn't there have been away? Now, 390 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: looking back, let's say you were going to devise that 391 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: you're the coach of the Cavaliers, you're Lenny Wilkins. What 392 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: would you have done that could have maybe prevented that shot? Well, 393 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, everything's better in hindsight, but yeah, I would 394 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: put two guys on Michael and not allow and try 395 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: to have two guys to prevent him from getting a basketball. 396 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: But you know, every I'm a coach, and so everybody's 397 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: always got an answer after it's over with. When you're 398 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: standing on the sideline and you've got to make that 399 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: decision right there. Everybody knew that they wanted to get 400 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: the ball to Michael, and that's the smart thing to do. 401 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: If you're coaching Michael Jordan, you use him as a decoy. 402 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's the smartest thing in the 403 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: world unless you've got Scottie, Pipman or somebody else and 404 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: could make a shot as well. But yeah, I would 405 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: just put two guys on him, try to stop him 406 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: and getting the ball at all put me in the huddle. 407 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty two went before Michael hits the game 408 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: winning shot against Georgetown, who was supposed to get that shot. Well, 409 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: it was the most amazing change of my feelings I've 410 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: ever had in my life. I thought the entire year 411 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: we were going to win the Nastar Championship. I thought 412 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: we were the best team. I never had any doubts, 413 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, with thirty I think it's 414 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: thirty one seconds to go, coach called the time out. 415 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: We had the ball out of bounds on the sideline, 416 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: and to look on our guys faces as they came 417 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: to the bench just shocked me. I said, oh my god, 418 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: we could actually lose this game, and that had never 419 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: been a thought of mine, never, And so Claire sit 420 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: down and we as and coaches Neil down in front 421 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: of them, and Coach Smith was the most magical I've 422 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: ever known anybody in my life. He said, guys were 423 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: in great shape. This is exactly where we want to be. 424 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: We're going to determine who wins this game. And I'll 425 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: admit that I sort of faked to cough so I 426 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: can look to the scoreboard to make sure because Georgetown 427 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: was one up and they won't Coach Smith the big scorer, 428 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: but any kept going. He said, guys, we'll run line 429 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: up to get it in. I don't think they'll be pressing. 430 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: I think they'll be in his own and if they are, said, 431 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: let's run two and James you'll go over for the 432 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: lob and Sam is going to set the screen or 433 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: Matt's going to set the screen. But if we don't 434 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: get the lob, which I don't think we will, we'll 435 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: go weakside and if we get the shot, we'll take 436 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: the shot. We'll have the board covered. Sam you get 437 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: middle position inside and James you'll have weak sideboard position. 438 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: So get the rebound, and if they happen to get 439 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: the rebound, we'll foule the and then there's no way 440 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: in the world they're going to make a foul shot 441 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: in this situation. So we'll get another chance. And all 442 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody just their whole expression ever to 443 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: look on everybody's face, including mine, changed dramatically. And as 444 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: they're going out, I'm standing two feet away from Coach 445 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: Smith and he padded Michael on the back side and said, 446 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: if you get the shot, knock it in, Michael, And 447 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: that was it. So originally, yes, we wanted to throw 448 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: a lot to James Worthy. I mean, he had dominated 449 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: the game, but then we did go over the week 450 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: side and Michael had the shot, and if you look 451 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: at the tape, we had a great rebound position and 452 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden and somebody told Freddy Brown to 453 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: throw the ball to James. But that was a confidence 454 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: I've talked, I've ever heard in my life, and the 455 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: change of everybody's expression. Excuse me, Dan, but that skip 456 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: pass that you had rights that wasn't normal back then, 457 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: right like it is now. But but cross court against 458 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: a team like Georgetown, that it's surprised me a little 459 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: bit though, No, it was part of the play. I 460 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: still run the same play now. I mean, we try 461 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: to throw the lob and if we don't have it, 462 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: we throw it on the backside. Because if you have 463 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: somebody like James Worthy going to cross, that's going to 464 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: take the low forward position, that's going to take him 465 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: because he's worried about Jane. I don't have James or Michael. Now, 466 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: we still run the same play, a little different players 467 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: running it. When did Michael become the best player on 468 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: the team? You know, James said two weeks in the episode. 469 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not buying that, but because Worthy I 470 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: thought was better. You know, maybe James was National Player 471 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: of the Year. Yeah, and the number one pick in 472 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: the draft, and Michael deferred to them a great deal 473 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: as a freshman. Now, as a sophomore, Sam Perkins was 474 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: still there and there was no longer deferring at that time, 475 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: but Michael got better and better and better. We grade 476 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: that it used to be film night's tape after every game, 477 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: and that was the Georgetown game was the only game 478 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: of the year that Michael also won the Defensive Player 479 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: of the Game aboard and nobody ever remembers things like that. 480 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: But then this sophomore year it was over within because 481 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: he was the best and continued through that his junior year. 482 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: And I remember Rod Thorne calling a second day of 483 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: practice after the Bulls had taken him and telling Coach Smith. 484 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: And we were having a staff meeting when Rod called, 485 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: and we were sitting there and Rod said, this is 486 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: a joke. We do some one on one stuff and 487 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: we give him the ball at between the top of 488 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: the key in the center line, and regardless of who 489 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: we put on, Hen's it. And so I think it 490 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't take those guys long to figure it out either. 491 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: He's Roy Williams, North Carolina head coach. How do you 492 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: respond when people say, you know, the only person to 493 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: stop Jordan was Dean Smith. I just realized how sad 494 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: it is that somebody can be that stupid. And you know, 495 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: that's sort of sitting on the fence with my remark. 496 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: But number one, he did score twenty a game his 497 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: sophomore year. But two, there was no clock. People everybody 498 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: held the ball on us. Everybody ran the clock down. 499 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean there was no clock, but everybody just hit 500 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: ball control. We only had two games that whole year, 501 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: we scored over eighty points in the game because every 502 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: game we were chasing people kind of thing. But Michael 503 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Jordan counters at best by saying, hey, coach Dean Smith 504 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: gave me all the fundamentals that allowed me to do 505 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: everything later on. And I think that's Michael's greatness is 506 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: just a great thing. In the episode the other night, 507 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: he said, I didn't particularly care for Phil Jackson coming in. 508 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: Doug Collins wanted to give me the ball, and Phil 509 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: wanted to take it out of my hands. But you 510 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: saw where at the time out Phil says, packs is 511 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: the guy. It's open. Because Michael Jordan only cared about 512 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: one thing went in it, that's all. It made a 513 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: difference to him. You also look at two of the 514 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: greatest players of all time. Larry Bird was homesick at Indiana. 515 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: Michael got to North Carolina and he was homesick. Did 516 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: he almost leave? No, no, no, no, no, not at all. 517 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: He loved it. Now everybody misses your mama's home cooking. 518 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: Every player I've ever had was a little homesick. But no, 519 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: that was anybody that would say that as another that's 520 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: just somebody saying something but there was no doubt that 521 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: that young man loved it there from the first day 522 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: he stepped on campus, especially when the pickup game started 523 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: and then the basketball practice started. He was an incredible person, 524 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: incredible player. But you also you had Ewing when you 525 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: know Michael. When Ewing shows up, does Michael then play 526 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: one on one with him at North Carolina? That was 527 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: one of my great stories because they were there the 528 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: same weekend. Pretty good, two prospects on campus that were 529 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: pretty good. But so I'm taking him over to the 530 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: football game and so we'd Coach Smith's meeting with him 531 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: in Carmichael, where we played at that time. And so 532 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: we go down on the court to walk out the 533 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: back door to go to the football game, and the 534 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: basketball's there, and Michael says, we got a couple of minutes. 535 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: I see. Yeah. So he starts messing with Patrick and 536 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, backing him down and then facing him shooting, 537 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: and he's just laughing at Patrick. Patrick's going twenty five 538 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: percent and I mean maybe not in that, but they 539 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: have street clothes on. And so at one point Patrick 540 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: had had enough and he got the ball and he 541 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: backed Michael down one dribble, two dribbles and then turned 542 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: and about back dunked it on his head and Michael said, 543 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: you ready to go, coach. Let's go to the football game. 544 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: Let's go to the football game. We're done here. There's 545 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: so many good things. Look, I go back. I told 546 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: you that story. Well, I don't have to tell you 547 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: the story. But when I was at the Jimmy v 548 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: Golf tournament and Michael would get competitive, but an auction 549 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: it him and he bought the motorcycle for you, and 550 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: he didn't Mike didn't want the motorcycle. He wanted to 551 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: win the motorcycle and then gave it to you. Well, 552 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: actually bought it in the auction and gave it to 553 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: my wife. And I said, Michael, why are you doing this? 554 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: Because we were talking about a different way to go 555 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: to the grocery store at the beach and they bring 556 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: the motorcycle in, and uh, I want to say, I 557 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: can you can buy that for me and I can 558 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: take that And Michael said you ride and she said, 559 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: I said, Michael, she's never ridden a bike in her life. 560 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: And Wanda say, I could learn. And Michael says, I'm 561 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: going to buy that for you, and Wicked want us no, 562 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean it petrified us. But he bought the motorcycle 563 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: and Michael, why are you doing this? He said, do 564 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: you realize having any shrimp fried shrimp dinners? She's fixed 565 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: me over the years, and we still have the motorcycle 566 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: and we just we wait to see about getting licensed 567 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: and bought helmets. But she slipped into parking lot at 568 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: KU and broke her collar bone. And then Pat Crozy, 569 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: the owner of the seventies was ran into us as 570 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: please that's after he had had his crash that he 571 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: almost was killed, and don't do that. So we still 572 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: have the motorcycle and wicked Wanda who knows how to 573 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: get on the zoom call. She's eventually going to make 574 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: it into a backside of a coffee table, because how 575 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: do you get rid of a motorcycle? And Michael Jordan 576 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: because you know that kind of thing. But he loved 577 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: or fried shrimp. That's great. The whole G League phenomenon here, coach, 578 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: is this bad for college baunsketball? That these kids are 579 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: deciding that instead of going for one and done, they're 580 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: going to go into the G League. You know, I 581 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: don't think it's it's bad for college basketball. But the 582 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: NBA is going to make their rules for what they 583 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: want there. You know, they're not our pardner. They're going 584 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: to make the rules is what they think is best 585 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: for the NBA. They'll be several players every year that 586 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: will try to do that, and that's okay if they 587 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: have no interests in college. The only negative thing I 588 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: think is that they're calling kids now who have already 589 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: signed and committed to go to college and trying to 590 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: see if they have any interests. I don't think they 591 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: should be doing that. That's my own personal opinion. But 592 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: some kids really don't want to go to college, and 593 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, there's want to be a game 594 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: twice a year where one team has on a Duke 595 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: uniform and the other team has on a North Carolina uniform, 596 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: and they're still going to play, and it's going to 597 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: be that way next year, in ten years and years now. 598 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: But the NBA they're doing the right thing and the 599 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: most part because they're doing what they think is best 600 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: for their game. Do you think we're going to eventually 601 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: get back to coming out of high school if you 602 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: want to go. I think they will, you know, And 603 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Kobe made the right decision, Lebron Garnett. Though all those 604 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: guys made the right decision, there's a lot of guys 605 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: that made a bad decision. And I've said it all along, 606 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: there's no great rule for there's no perfect rule for everybody. 607 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: There's kids that think they're NBA players and all of 608 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: a sudden, two years later that of the game and 609 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: have no education and you know, are not really equipped 610 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: to go out in the world. But there's no perfect rule. 611 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: But I think we'll eventually get back to that. Yes, 612 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: did you recruit Kobe made one phone call to his 613 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: father and had the conversation. And I was at Kansas 614 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: at that time, and I felt like when I got 615 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: off the phone call, I'm glad I had a chance 616 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: to talk to his dad. But that young man is 617 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: going to the NBA. What about Garnett? I never called him, 618 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: but I saw him in high school and knew he 619 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: was going to the NBA. And Lebron, you didn't even 620 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: place the call. No, No, you knew anybody else that 621 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: You just said, no, it's not worth it. Oh there's 622 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: been a few. Yeah, those are the big ones. And 623 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: some guys that I thought were going to go straight 624 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: to the league at when we had that rule, didn't 625 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: do it. And then guys like Zion Williams and I 626 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: think he loved his college experience. Tyler Hansbrough played for 627 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: US four years and loved everything about it. But it's 628 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: it's again, no perfect rule for everybody. But you had 629 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: a chance. Did you think you were getting Zion boy? 630 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: I worked on and we left his home the last night. 631 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: I'll have to admit that Hubert Davis, my assistant, and 632 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: myself we really thought this could really work out. It was. 633 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: It was hard for me to get in the car 634 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: because when I left the porch, I was walking on air. 635 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: But it's to the level to get in the car. 636 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you find out he's 637 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: going to Duke. Yeah, it was. It was. It was 638 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: not a good night, and in the announcement was made, 639 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, and then we had somebody get 640 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: in the equipment room at Duke can snip a few 641 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: the stitches on the shoes and that helped us. I 642 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: just saw something that Luke Combs, who's a country singer, 643 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: said that he had a bet and he's from North Carolina, 644 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: said he had a bet with his guitar guy in 645 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: his band. He took Duke and Luke Combs took North 646 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: Carolina and he's on the air. He said, I appreciate 647 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: every snipped those stitches. We don't want to start that 648 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: rumor attach it to your coach. You you, you and 649 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: coach k get along. Are you competitive with him? Yes? 650 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: On the basket ball court, there's no question in recruiting. 651 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: But we believe in almost all the things the same. 652 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: And you know, we were served on the board of 653 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: directors in an ABC for a long time together. We 654 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: both value the right things and at least they seem 655 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: to be right to us, you know, that kind of thing. Uh, 656 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: But you know, he doesn't play golf, so that's the 657 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: other place that I compete. Yeah, I wonder how he'd 658 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: be as a golfer. I have no idea. I don't 659 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen him play. I think 660 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: he'd be too intense. So coach, well, I don't you know, 661 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's played tennis, and at one time 662 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,479 Speaker 1: I think he really enjoyed tennis. But Mike has done 663 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: just a great job. And you know, when Zion went there, 664 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: I wished him good luck and uh, but yeah, the 665 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: story about the stitches did come yea, not from you? 666 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: Play you for that one. Luke Ohms, the country singer 667 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: who's done a great job. I love his music. My 668 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: best to your wife, and thank you again for sharing 669 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: the stories that I'm sure you're probably quite tired of 670 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: telling the same stories over and over, but you do 671 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: it with such great enthusiasm and keep the beard looks great. Well. 672 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: I love those stories because it was part of my life. 673 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that I said earlier that PAULI and 674 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: taught are so reverent you during their program. They never disagreed. 675 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Coach. Yeah, all right, well take 676 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: a break here. Oh it's great too. Yeah. I was 677 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: at that auction that's when Darius Rucker bought Rick Flair's 678 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: that full length Yes he brought he did. In fact, 679 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: Coach is still on camera there. He's shaken his head 680 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: because he remembers that that was the case that Darius said, 681 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: I love Rick Flair, I love Rick Flair. I think 682 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: that that full length coat, that mink coat or whatever 683 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: it was, that feathers. It was like twenty some thousand 684 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: dollars that Darius spent on that. And I remember that 685 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: motorcycle was there and Michael was bidding with somebody on 686 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: that motor cycle, and then he bought it and said 687 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: to Roy Williams, his wife, this is for you, and 688 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't I didn't know she rode motorcycles, but Michael 689 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: wanted to win the auction. There we'll take a break. 690 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlie will join us coming up top of the hour. 691 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk about this G League phenomenon, Is it as 692 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: big as it widespread as John Calip Perry would have 693 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: you believe. And also a little bit later on we 694 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: will have Michael Wilbon Pardon the interruption. We'll take a 695 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: break back after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan 696 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 697 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 698 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 699 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live every 700 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: day at YouTube dot com slash The Dan Patrick Show. 701 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: It's National Honesty Day. Shouldn't every day, every day be 702 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: National Honesty Day? It's just once a year National Honesty Day. 703 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Is there anything that the danants would like to get 704 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: off of their conscience? Sports or other one item? National 705 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: honesty day, Paulie, you look like you troubled by this. 706 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: I've dabbled in this topic before, and I'm gonna get 707 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: absolutely crushed because I remember eight years ago I said 708 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: I'm both a Cubs and White Sox fan, even though 709 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: before the Cubs. Yeah, I don't think I've ever said 710 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: this before. I grew up a hardcore of Chicago Bears fan, 711 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: as most people in Chicago do. That said, I've always 712 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: liked the Green Bay Packers, not rooted for, but liked 713 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: the areen Bay Packers. I liked their uniforms, I like farv, 714 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: I like Rogers. I love their fan base, I love 715 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: their town. I've been there a couple of times. I 716 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: liked their tailgate, everything about the structure of Green Bay 717 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: Packers football in their stad I don't root for them, 718 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: but Bears fans are conditioned and taught to hate the Packers. 719 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the Packers. That the 720 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: Bear struggles are not because of the Packers, because of 721 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: the Bears. But I've always enjoyed the Green Bay Packer football, 722 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: all right, Fritzie, It's not a rivalry between the two teams. 723 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: But saying I've always been an astro fan since about 724 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Before that, while I was a little leaguer 725 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: in like the midst venties, I loved the Baltimore Orioles 726 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: logo with that smiling bird and it was partially orange 727 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: like on the brim, partially brown, partially white. So before 728 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: I was an astro fan, I actually liked the baltimorial 729 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: specifically because of that cute smiley bird nod. That's lay, 730 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: that's lame. Well, there's nothing controversial about that, but actual honesty. 731 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: That's always from Chicago. He's talking about more controversial. No, no, 732 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: you you're not from Houston. You're not from Baltimore. I 733 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: used to love the Raiders before I liked them. Are 734 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: not making it up? And see that would have been 735 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: better if you said, look, I'm really a Raiders fan. 736 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: I'd never say that, I know, never gonna a yeah, 737 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: but that that wasn't and you're usually when you tell 738 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: a story, you're completely honest. But that was just sort 739 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: of made up that that's there's no contract. I stole 740 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: something off my second grade teacher's desk. That's that's that's 741 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: not sports related. She had some little skeleton and crossbones 742 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: mixing thing for her coffee, and to this day I 743 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: never admitted it. But I was sitting there in the 744 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: front row next to her desk, and she walked away 745 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: and I just took it and bought at home. And 746 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: she asked the next day where that thing was and 747 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: I pretended not to know where it was. Okay, they 748 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: got something. Now do you want to on a Limerick thing, 749 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: which I've told you guys that I totally plagiarized the Limerick? Yeah? 750 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: What about the stolen plates too? What about? Yeah, you 751 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: stole some, you didn't pay. They didn't charge me for 752 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: both sets of plates, and I put them in the trunk. Control. 753 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to come clean on the whole Corbin thing? 754 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: Like what really happened at summer camp between you and 755 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: your man friend? Yeah? All I know is you're standing 756 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: nipple to nipple with corbon. We did. We couldn't see 757 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: the lower half of you. I can't get into that 758 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: right now, but okay, we all get We're all curious 759 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: the great mystery of you in corbon at summer camp 760 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: mclovin National Honesty Day. What do you have? This is 761 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: so hard for me because I'm not a fraud fan 762 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: like PAULI and I really hated the Celtics and the Cowboys, 763 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: but I already did that. I saw Charles Barkley's had 764 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: and more Barbara Streisand's brawn in my head, so I'm set. 765 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: Those were great. The Barbara Streisand story is still one 766 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: of my favorite things on the show. That you your 767 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: friend was apartment sitting in New York. Yes, invited you over, Yes, 768 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: and you decided to rummage through Babs's lingerie drawer weird 769 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: science style. We put the bras on our head. How 770 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: you got me to tell that story in the first place, 771 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: He's a miracle. I don't know how you did. Seaton 772 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: O'Connor National Honesty Day. Yeah, I don't know how to 773 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: top or compete with Pauli's bombshell about also liking the Packers, 774 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: even though we should have seen that coming, considering he 775 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: grew up a Notre Dame Michigan, Ohio State Alabama to 776 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: Paul Army, Navy, Air Force, Texas A and m Texas fans, huge, 777 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: huge fan of all of the above. Sort of poor 778 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: pan sports fuel you will, um, I would say, if 779 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: I was being honest, I sort of, well, I've actually 780 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: probably said this, and it should be honest. I wish 781 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: that I was born in Boston instead of New Jersey. 782 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: Everything about me. As soon as I got the Boston 783 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I feel like I'm home. That's 784 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: exactly the right place. Michael Wilbon thinks that one day, 785 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: sometime soon, Aaron Rodgers will be wearing a Bear's uniform. 786 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: Wilbon will join us coming up along with Doug Gottlieb 787 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: Final Hour on the Way