Speaker 1: Hell, I Suck at Dating with Dean Ungler and I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio Podcast. Not to mention Jerry and jar that
Speaker 1: should be our intro moving forward. Yeah, it's like in
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Podcast with Dean Ungler. J Anyways, what
Speaker 1: is going on? Sucky daters? We are bad. We're not
Speaker 1: in NAPA, We're here in good old Los Angeles, And
Speaker 1: boy does it feel good to be talking to you.
Speaker 1: I feel at ease when I talk to my sucky daters,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like I'm at home with my people.
Speaker 1: It's like a second home. I feel like we can
Speaker 1: all just co miserate on our suckiness together every week
Speaker 1: on Monday, and sometimes Jared, Mark and Easton are part
Speaker 1: of it too, a couple of times a week, not
Speaker 1: too many times? Do you? Does Caitlin think you suck
Speaker 1: a dating? Kalen duff Is definitely does think I suck
Speaker 1: at dating? I do? I storry At the top of this,
Speaker 1: I do want to congratulate our good friends Becca and
Speaker 1: Tanya for their People Choice Award for their podcast Schedualized
Speaker 1: Rout of Lost, second Year Runnings two years in a
Speaker 1: row and gosh dang, and I'm so freaking jealous. And
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous, which is why right now I want
Speaker 1: to make a challenge inch to everybody in this studio
Speaker 1: and everybody listening to this podcast. We have three and
Speaker 1: sixty four days until the next let's kno, okay, scrubbing,
Speaker 1: How do you get nominated? What does that process? Because
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I think fans have to nominate.
Speaker 1: They do, so Scrubbing it has some very loyal fans,
Speaker 1: that is the truth. So does help by Second Dating.
Speaker 1: Don't ever under underestimate our suck at daters. Okay, sucky das.
Speaker 1: If you're out there, let's all suck together. So all
Speaker 1: suck together. We have one year, one year to get
Speaker 1: us on the right track to be nominated for the
Speaker 1: People Choice Award of Best Pop Podcast. And I'm challenging
Speaker 1: everybody in this room, everybody listening to this podcast right now,
Speaker 1: and whoever our future third host is. We're getting nominated
Speaker 1: next year. Howlp. I Second Dating is getting nominated the
Speaker 1: People Choice Awards for Best Best Pop Podcast. And damn it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wait. I wanted us to be clear on something.
Speaker 1: The sucking is not gonna stop. We're gonna keep sucking.
Speaker 1: We're gonna suck harder than we've ever seen it. So hard.
Speaker 1: You've never been sucked so hard in your life. But
Speaker 1: we want to suck with you, and we want to
Speaker 1: suck on stage at the People's Choice Awards next to year,
Speaker 1: and that stage hard, baby. So you're saying, Tobecca and Kinna,
Speaker 1: they are unnoticed that you're coming for them next, We're
Speaker 1: coming for him. Behind us is not happy Dean Jared
Speaker 1: the unnamed third co host, and the suck army is coming.
Speaker 1: We're coming for you, Dad. You've got three and sixty
Speaker 1: four days to be on that throne. She just she
Speaker 1: did the whole finger across the next thing. Tanya is
Speaker 1: actually quite intimidating, which she's mad anyways, but real talk.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to them they kill and Janna Kramer was a
Speaker 1: nominee as well. Jannah was Caitlin Bristol for her podcast
Speaker 1: I Hope. Congratulations to I Heeart podcast. Okay, Janna and
Speaker 1: Tanya and Becca congratulations. Congratulations guys. Um. Also, today is
Speaker 1: the big day for you, and it's a big day
Speaker 1: for me personally. It's an actor's birthday. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite actors of all time. He's one of all
Speaker 1: our favorite actors of all time. Let's be honest. Now
Speaker 1: we're taking podcast, but we have to talk about this.
Speaker 1: It's Leonardo DiCaprio's birthday, Ladies and gentlemen, I just watched
Speaker 1: laugh Forever. I watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Speaker 1: on my flight back from New York. Well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask, thinking, like, go see, it's Leo's birthday. What
Speaker 1: is your favorite Leonardo DiCaprio movie. Honestly, as much as
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed Once upon the Time and how they
Speaker 1: would have thought he was fantastic in it, I think
Speaker 1: my favorite acting performance of his was in Gilbert Grape. Oh.
Speaker 1: He's incredible and disappears into that. You know, it's so
Speaker 1: funny that movie has for a lot of people not
Speaker 1: aged well, and his performance has an aged disagree. I
Speaker 1: think I think he's fantastic in it. But but it
Speaker 1: is it a situation where if you play is it
Speaker 1: no longer correct to play someone with a handicap? I
Speaker 1: think it is correct. Brian Cranston went through this when
Speaker 1: he was upside down? Are the up and Down? He
Speaker 1: was in the movie with Kevin Hart, where he played
Speaker 1: a paraplegic got a lot of flap side side, thank you.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of flak for doing that. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, an actor's job is
Speaker 1: to perform a role. So true, but nowadays they say,
Speaker 1: calft someone with that affliction as that role, or half
Speaker 1: the transgender and a transgender role. And scartlet your hands
Speaker 1: and was supposed to play a transgender she dropped out
Speaker 1: because of the backlash. So all right, I can see
Speaker 1: both sides of it, because I can see the side
Speaker 1: where you want people with the you know, with a
Speaker 1: disability to have an opportunity to get that role. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, a lot of production companies are
Speaker 1: investing a lot of money in these in these you
Speaker 1: know films, and so you wanted to do well, so
Speaker 1: you get an actor like Brian Cranston, and so actually
Speaker 1: you want to challenge, You want to challenge, and playing
Speaker 1: someone who's blind, for example, is a huge challenge for
Speaker 1: an act exactly. But we're really getting off topic. But
Speaker 1: so that's your favorite role. Is it also your favorite movie? Okay,
Speaker 1: give me a second on you know you're a big
Speaker 1: film guy. I really liked Revolutionary Road. He Didted with
Speaker 1: Michael Shannon. Yet over two and movies I've ever even
Speaker 1: heard of. You never heard a Revolutionary Road again. It
Speaker 1: was the first movie they did together since Titanic, and
Speaker 1: they went on record saying they wanted to do a
Speaker 1: very small and well not it's not a all indie movie,
Speaker 1: but a very small production scaled movie because of Titanic.
Speaker 1: Whenever they did another movie together, which was Revolutionary Road
Speaker 1: directed by Sam Mendez, one of my favorite directors because
Speaker 1: he did American Beauty. I feel like everyone just flexing
Speaker 1: on me right now. Everyone knows all that stuff about movies.
Speaker 1: You're name in these lesser known movies that apparently Leo
Speaker 1: is just kick acid in. You're knowing directors and all
Speaker 1: that big film guy. By the way, Revolutionary Road. Great
Speaker 1: performance by Michael Shannon. Oh my god, Michael Shanahan was
Speaker 1: a channing for the Broncos and was for that movie.
Speaker 1: I believe you got an Oscar nomination. Should we just
Speaker 1: turn this into a movie podcast? What's your game? What's
Speaker 1: your favorite Leo movie? Well, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to say something I can't say like Titanic. You
Speaker 1: can't say Titanic because that's land, but anything else work. Well,
Speaker 1: you could say Titanic. Um, it's either between catch me
Speaker 1: if you can, that's one or Wolf of Wall Street. There. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this. So back when
Speaker 1: I used to have a job, uh in our office,
Speaker 1: to kill time, we would sometimes google actors and then
Speaker 1: when you google actor, there's like a list of movies
Speaker 1: that come up. And so the game was you would
Speaker 1: google the actor, and then everyone around you would have
Speaker 1: to guess the first three movies that come up when
Speaker 1: you google that actor. It's really Bird in the Midnight
Speaker 1: Oil over there. Hey, we worked hard to be played. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna play that game with you
Speaker 1: guys right now, real quick if we can. Okay. So
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio is the actor that's googled. There's three movies
Speaker 1: that come up. It's basically like it's not maybe the
Speaker 1: most it's not like the biggest box office hit movies,
Speaker 1: but it's three movies that probably the most. Well you
Speaker 1: did this, you look this up. I have it on
Speaker 1: my phone right now and you're playing the game, So
Speaker 1: don't look it up. I'm not I'm not. I was
Speaker 1: about to in the night close the town. You get
Speaker 1: three strikes and This might take a little longer than
Speaker 1: we have time for, but we're gonna play it real quick.
Speaker 1: Three strikes. Leonardo's the first three movies on Google. We'll
Speaker 1: do it once a week. How about right with a
Speaker 1: different actor, absolutely an actor of the birthday of that week,
Speaker 1: birthday today. Here we go instituting a new tradition right now,
Speaker 1: and everyone has to agree on the movie that you're saying.
Speaker 1: So like, if Easton says if you can, and one
Speaker 1: of you disagrees, then you can't it myself Eastern Mark,
Speaker 1: he normally get three strikes. I'm only giving you, guys
Speaker 1: two strikes considering your movie. Buffons. Titanic is obvious, right,
Speaker 1: that's got I would say Titanic has to be up there. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's locked in. Titanic is alright, alright, alright. Now number two,
Speaker 1: The Departed has to be up there. Right for Lee,
Speaker 1: I think he's almost well known. Yeah, I think they Departed.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is tough because he has a lot.
Speaker 1: I would say either The Departed or Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 1: The Revenception could be up there, but he did win
Speaker 1: for Revenant. That that which will boost its Google searches. God, alright,
Speaker 1: we Departed. Now now I'm second guessing myself, though maybe
Speaker 1: not Departed. I feel like Wolf of Wall Street might
Speaker 1: be more up there than Departed, by the way, Departed
Speaker 1: is my favorite. I wonder if this is affected by
Speaker 1: recent movies. I could Once Upon a Time and how
Speaker 1: they would be in there because everyone's taught, everyone's googling,
Speaker 1: and now, all right, what is our vote? I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: Are we get two strikes? So should we go Wolf
Speaker 1: Wall Street or Revenant? I say one of those two street? Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though you want for the revenue, people are probably
Speaker 1: googling Wilful all Street more and it's there. All right,
Speaker 1: you have one more movie to guess, and do you
Speaker 1: have two strikes? So good jobs so far. I say
Speaker 1: we go with Once Upon Tom in Hollywin. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's about the timing of it just came out
Speaker 1: in the summer. It's probably coming to DVD very soon.
Speaker 1: He'll likely get nominated for this, I believe, because it's
Speaker 1: a big, high profile Tarantino movie. Oh it's great. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Once upon a Time in Hollywood is
Speaker 1: not on. No, we're in trouble. I got one more
Speaker 1: stroke account all right, let's think about this. It's got
Speaker 1: to be your inception could be up there, but revenue
Speaker 1: he did win for Best Picture? What about like? Uh?
Speaker 1: Did the Aviator like Men in the Iron mask the beach?
Speaker 1: The beach might be out there. Uh. The only thing
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the parted here is because Scorsese has
Speaker 1: been in the news with the Irishman and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the time because we got that one wrong.
Speaker 1: So maybe timely isn't the way to play this game.
Speaker 1: May we get that one right? What's spent time? Hollywood
Speaker 1: was up there? Right? Oh no, no, that was our strike.
Speaker 1: I gotta really pay attention. Yeah, so I'm thinking it
Speaker 1: might just be an accumulative search. I also hope people
Speaker 1: listening to this are driving so they don't have they can't.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be some dating advice? Just help my
Speaker 1: second day? I don't want to be that guy. But
Speaker 1: for the sake of time, we are now on a
Speaker 1: thirty second time or done a ten second time or
Speaker 1: thirty seconds way so long. I love knowing that Dean
Speaker 1: has updated a thirteen point one because that's the new timer.
Speaker 1: So that's a good to have. Oh he upgraded of
Speaker 1: the circle. The circle going around was a lot of
Speaker 1: time seconds. Uh what did we narrow it down to
Speaker 1: inception a Revenant? Oh no, no, in stept sharing Departed, right,
Speaker 1: I think I think the Departed. It was your first instanct.
Speaker 1: We're going departed. You're going departed over all of those
Speaker 1: other ones, the part it is no on that third one.
Speaker 1: It was the only one who's won an oscar for
Speaker 1: the revenue. Damnit. Next week for another episode after Movies
Speaker 1: with Marty's Garrett. Yeah, that was fun. It's a stupid game,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of fun. Anyways. Congratulations to Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: for celebrating his fifty eight birthday today. Yes, how old?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. He's got to be late forties.
Speaker 1: He's got bring it up. Podcast is going to be
Speaker 1: about Dicaprioeen, is it older? Younger than seven? I think
Speaker 1: it's omnose on these. I think he's younger. I think
Speaker 1: he's so close. Well, we have an incredible episode for you,
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio is gonna be wouldn't that be some actually
Speaker 1: funny story? I told you, I texted you guys this.
Speaker 1: I saw Lawrence Fishburn at Hopeful it's right across the street,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to say hi so badly because I'm
Speaker 1: a big Lauren Laurence Fishburn fan. I remember watching The
Speaker 1: Matrix as a kid. It was very influential as in
Speaker 1: my childhood. And then I went back and watched a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Laurence Fishburn's movies that I could.
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of a movie called Fled,
Speaker 1: which was like this total be action movie with him,
Speaker 1: Stephen Ballwood and Samahiak and I freaking loved that movie
Speaker 1: so much. It was like that movie that you'd go
Speaker 1: to Hollywood Video or Blockbuster as a kid and just
Speaker 1: rent constantly. It was like either that or Superman for
Speaker 1: the Quest for Peace. This is the kind of child
Speaker 1: I was, um But anyway, so that's that's our That's
Speaker 1: that's my actors sighting for the day. What Jerry was
Speaker 1: trying to say was, we got a great episode today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have We're gonna have Tracy Crossley on who
Speaker 1: has her own dating podcast, to talk about attachment styles
Speaker 1: a little bit with her. We're gonna speak with Katie
Speaker 1: from fab fit Fun just a little bit. We love
Speaker 1: f fit Fun here on the Help by second dating podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: before we do any of that, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break. But before we took that quick break, Jared,
Speaker 1: how was that last week? Nap? It was great. We
Speaker 1: recorded a couple of episodes. We had Joan Kendall talking
Speaker 1: about their dating app. We interviewed a band called King Callaway,
Speaker 1: which is like this young country band, but also it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a boy band, which they didn't
Speaker 1: like when I said that. But I'm a huge defender
Speaker 1: of boy bands, as you guys well known, and I
Speaker 1: think Backstreet Boys is one of the most uh polarizing
Speaker 1: and uh popular bands and the history of music. That's right,
Speaker 1: I said it come at me, bro Uh. They were
Speaker 1: awesome and so it was a lot of fun. But
Speaker 1: it stayed at this beautiful resort. It was a great time,
Speaker 1: quick trip, but a lot of fun. Nice Thanks for
Speaker 1: asking Dean, we missed you. Why Why couldn't you come?
Speaker 1: I was in Mexico or not climbing? That makes sense
Speaker 1: for ten days? I know I followed Dean's location on
Speaker 1: my phone. Soever I go my find my friends in mecations?
Speaker 1: Do we share? I know I have ours? You only
Speaker 1: have mine. It's funny, actually, cause I was in Mexico
Speaker 1: when you guys were recording in that. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mark's like, you know where I am
Speaker 1: right now? Actually crossed my mind. I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder if Mark's like checking me out? I checked you up.
Speaker 1: I think it's only fair if you share your Yeah,
Speaker 1: I follow Mark's location. I'm gonta send mind to you
Speaker 1: two right now, just so you have it. Share locations
Speaker 1: with each other, oh constantly, I'm surrobasedly has to put
Speaker 1: a chip in me. Yet I think Caitlin and I
Speaker 1: have hard locations shared. I'm pretty sure. I never check it.
Speaker 1: It was very funny. I'm waiting for it. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we share locations. But anyway, yes, Eastern, I'm very just
Speaker 1: let me know here we go, share location share indefinitely.
Speaker 1: So what now is his team Mark and Dean versus
Speaker 1: team Eastern and Jared or what Well, if it's in
Speaker 1: terms of like how many miles actually I might win
Speaker 1: because I fly a lot, I'm not drive a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we'll get those miles Eastern, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if Mark has my location, Easton has your location. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like division of keep tabs on the host. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Eastan where the hell's Jared? Even though I'm always
Speaker 1: on time, So I don't know why we say that. Uh,
Speaker 1: did you drive down to Mexico by the way, No,
Speaker 1: I flew La Monterey, drove up to Hudalgo rock climb
Speaker 1: for ten days. Great, I think, no real dating new
Speaker 1: to report back from that trip. I didn't record a
Speaker 1: podcast with Joe and Kendall or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: it was fun. I mean, we missed you a napa.
Speaker 1: It's always better when we're together, but it's always better
Speaker 1: when we're together. I didn't shower the entire time I
Speaker 1: was down there, which is great as a personal challenge
Speaker 1: I set out for. I felt, when the last time
Speaker 1: you wash your hair yesterday? When I got back, How
Speaker 1: long did you go? Ten days? But I jumped in
Speaker 1: the pool a couple of times. I just like, didn't shower. Ever,
Speaker 1: Chlarine helps unfortunate for the people who also use that
Speaker 1: pool or sat next to you on the plane. Right.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing that I've actually realized is a
Speaker 1: lot of what the hell is it smell like chlarine
Speaker 1: in this plane? Whenever I'm around you guys, I always
Speaker 1: feel like an outsider, right, But whenever I'm around people
Speaker 1: like that, like like rock climb with or do any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But they're all doing the same stuff
Speaker 1: I'm doing. They like put me. They like love that
Speaker 1: I'm living in a van. They love that, like I'm
Speaker 1: out stinky and stuff. Let me clarify. We all love
Speaker 1: that you're living in a vantage. But I guess I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I need to clarify too. I guess that we
Speaker 1: all are just kind of doing the same thing, and
Speaker 1: so we all like understand each other a lot more
Speaker 1: in that sense specifically where they're like, yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: showered in two weeks, are there? Yeah I've been homeless
Speaker 1: for four months now, and like stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: they all it's just like it's like it's like second
Speaker 1: nature to them, you know what I mean. They're I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I'm flying to Alaska to go
Speaker 1: skiing for two weeks now, and I'm like that sounds
Speaker 1: Where do you stay in Mexico? Yeah, we had an airbnb.
Speaker 1: There's like there's like twelve of us in a in
Speaker 1: a big airbnb. Did you know all twelve people? It
Speaker 1: was just like okay, yeah, I thought there was like
Speaker 1: some sort of van community. Do you feel safe down there?
Speaker 1: I know that was a concern. Yeah, we looked up
Speaker 1: some headlines before going down there. There's like eighteen butchered
Speaker 1: and dismembered and throwing in a world and we kind
Speaker 1: of joked about it. But then when we got down there,
Speaker 1: there was never a moment where we felt unsafe. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bummer that Mexico gets such a
Speaker 1: bad rep and like, obviously there's some bad stuff that's happening,
Speaker 1: but there's also bad stuff that's happening in the US.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we don't really pay much attention to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I've never felt unsafe. Um, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good trip and I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: had a good trip up in Napos. I'm sad I
Speaker 1: missed it. Yeah, I'm sad you missed it too, But
Speaker 1: well we'll be back. Were back in Nappy anytimes. What's
Speaker 1: funny is I texted Amy, I said, Hey, I can't come.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Monterey and she goes, wait,
Speaker 1: that's perfect, that's what We're gonna be in the Monterey California. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, wait, no, that's not right.
Speaker 1: I mean Monterey, Mexico. Now you anyways, special episode, anything
Speaker 1: else you wanna touch on before we get into our
Speaker 1: first break, before our first guest, no, I say, we'd
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Speaker 1: guess I'm more curious what's the etiquette on it? Like
Speaker 1: I don't want her to stop receiving the boxes just
Speaker 1: because we broke up, do I? I I mean, it depends
Speaker 1: if you cheat on you, like what was the reason
Speaker 1: for the breakout? You're right, So if it's amicable, then
Speaker 1: maybe we can continue out like another four seasons. But
Speaker 1: if it's if it's like yeah, yeah, okay, if you're not.
Speaker 1: But we've seen that before where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you go through a breakup and then you have like
Speaker 1: these joint subscriptions to things, then where do you go
Speaker 1: how do you allocate one subscription to the next. In
Speaker 1: this case, I think that you just kind of keep
Speaker 1: getting letting her get the Fit Fund box. Well, anyway,
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Speaker 1: Can you talk about a little bit about that? Yeah, No,
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Speaker 1: It was great to kind of dive into a little
Speaker 1: bit more with you understand etiquette a little bit more
Speaker 1: post break up with the fait fund boxes. But we
Speaker 1: appreciate taking the time, so lovely chatting with you guys.
Speaker 1: All right, take care, Thanks Katie, All right, and welcome back.
Speaker 1: As promised, we have Tracy Crossley in studio with us.
Speaker 1: Tracy is a behavioral relationship expert and she hosts her
Speaker 1: own podcast. But Tracy, we really want to dive into
Speaker 1: your knowledge of things like bread crumbing and the sort
Speaker 1: and the like and all that kind of stuff. Okay, UM,
Speaker 1: but for our listeners out there, can you just give
Speaker 1: a quick introduction of yourself run us down on kind
Speaker 1: of what you've been up to your podcasts as well,
Speaker 1: and what qualifies you to be helping us with these
Speaker 1: dating terms. What qualifies you to be a behavioral relationship expert.
Speaker 1: I became a coach, specifically a love coach, and at
Speaker 1: the time it became a love coach, that was probably
Speaker 1: the last thing in my life that was going on,
Speaker 1: and so it was kind of like taking my own
Speaker 1: journey of what I was going through with relationships, and
Speaker 1: I learned a lot on top of my training, and
Speaker 1: that's basically how I became a behavioral relationship expert. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like an important title, doesn't it. It does.
Speaker 1: What is So? Does that mean that you can tell
Speaker 1: how relationships going by body movement? That's what comes to
Speaker 1: my mind. So I can tell by basically, well, for example,
Speaker 1: Dean is rubbing my shoulders right now, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And now he's saying here okay, So um, basically I
Speaker 1: can tell just by somebody starting to talk, like they
Speaker 1: start telling me about their relationship, or they start telling
Speaker 1: me about um anything like if I were dating, which
Speaker 1: I'm not, but if I were dating UM, I would
Speaker 1: just be listening to the things that they say, and
Speaker 1: I can kind of tell, oh, you know what, this
Speaker 1: person is a victim, or this person is an avoidant,
Speaker 1: or this person's got anxiety, like you can just tell.
Speaker 1: Part of me wants you to see if we can
Speaker 1: have you dissect our relationships, but the other part of
Speaker 1: me wants to stay as far as far away from
Speaker 1: that as possible. I think that's a fantastic idea. I'm
Speaker 1: an open book team, which one the first are to
Speaker 1: the second part both? So what her telling like looking
Speaker 1: at our body language towards our significant others in determining
Speaker 1: are is there any prep work that goes into this
Speaker 1: And as far as as far as you're you're being
Speaker 1: able to read the person as they define their relationship. No,
Speaker 1: because usually people will start telling me things like I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people that I get on an airplane
Speaker 1: and I learned everybody's life story anyways, so people will
Speaker 1: just start divulging information. Do you like doing that or
Speaker 1: just is that kind of the vibe you give off. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I mean, I like doing it
Speaker 1: because I don't fly well, so it would always make
Speaker 1: me feel better about talking people. Yeah, I'm going down
Speaker 1: with all these folks if you go down right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a terrifying thought. But I understand quick side by
Speaker 1: real quick. I was on a flight yesterday from Houston
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles, and, uh, first time it's ever happened
Speaker 1: to me. I've been on a lot of airplanes, right,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, uh, like the flight attendant
Speaker 1: that rushes over and she goes, I smell something. Something
Speaker 1: is burning. I smell something, and I'm sitting next to
Speaker 1: an elderly couple and they start freaking out. They go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, something is burning. And the flight attendant goes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the captain. We're gonna the captain real quick.
Speaker 1: He's gonna come back here. I never heard from anything
Speaker 1: ever again, I didn't spell anything. So the airline was this.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name the airline. It sounds like the
Speaker 1: worst flight attendant I've ever heard. Why would you ever
Speaker 1: start a panic in the middle and an airplane? That's
Speaker 1: my point. I was blown away. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this this person reacted so poorly in the situation. Something
Speaker 1: really was burning. That's the last thing that you wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you walk by, you smell, you try to defuse the situation.
Speaker 1: Then you go get the captain. He comes and smells.
Speaker 1: You don't run to the middle of the plane and
Speaker 1: say I spelled something bright And they were like looking
Speaker 1: at me there like is it you? Is it your phone?
Speaker 1: Is something burning over there? I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: smell anything. I was like sitting there compa but the
Speaker 1: couple next to mispeaking out. Anyways, I'm sorry for the sidebar.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to show that story real quick, totally funny,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what I would have done in
Speaker 1: that case. Yeah. Yeah, I've a boarded a landing once.
Speaker 1: That was the worst thing that's ever happened. Where you're
Speaker 1: descending and we were pretty close to the ground and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you could feel the plane
Speaker 1: drop a little bit because he kicked the engines in,
Speaker 1: and then you just start ascending and there was no announcements,
Speaker 1: and then finally about five minutes later, he came back
Speaker 1: and said, oh, sorry, there's a miscommunication with air traffic control.
Speaker 1: There's a plane already on our runway, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: love around and do it again. It was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's just make sure we're all same page before landing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Tracy back to you. Sorry, Let's I want to have
Speaker 1: you dive into Jared's relationship a little bit obviously, well,
Speaker 1: and then dive into Dean's relationship. But before we do
Speaker 1: any of that, are you familiar with either of our relationships? Okay? Perfect,
Speaker 1: And we're not going to give you any information on that,
Speaker 1: right at least beforehand. Do you need my wife here
Speaker 1: to really tell Well? No, I mean if you you
Speaker 1: just tell me anything about your relationship and we can
Speaker 1: just go from there. I might have questions for you.
Speaker 1: Let's Jared you start, I just tell you all right.
Speaker 1: So I married my wife three months ago. We've been
Speaker 1: together for almost two years, but we were friends for
Speaker 1: three and a half years before that. We met on
Speaker 1: a show Code Bachelor in Paradise. Uh. She was very
Speaker 1: into me in the beginning, and I really cared about
Speaker 1: her very much so, but I was more in a
Speaker 1: confusion state at that point, and then I she would
Speaker 1: pursue and I was Withdrew for a while yep. And
Speaker 1: then whatever that means. Uh. And then a couple of
Speaker 1: years later, of course it's your age old story, she
Speaker 1: starts dating someone else. I do some self reflecting and
Speaker 1: realized that I'm an idiots, something I've known for quite
Speaker 1: some time, but finally was able to cope with it.
Speaker 1: Take action, tell her how I felt, uh, and go
Speaker 1: after and win her heart, which is exactly what happened. Well,
Speaker 1: you already had her heart one from the get go. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds pretty obnoxious, but I guess it's true. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like she was probably still attached to some
Speaker 1: degree best friends in between after you. Yeah, we would
Speaker 1: hang out. We would talk almost every day. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a healthy friendship, probably not. But you
Speaker 1: guys ended up together. So I'm curious when things changed
Speaker 1: for you. Um, obviously you were able to get married.
Speaker 1: Would you say that you still feel the same way
Speaker 1: that you did before you asked her to marry you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've really been able to move into being securely
Speaker 1: attached with your wife. Oh yeah, I mean once we
Speaker 1: got together, I was securely confident. I was confident that
Speaker 1: we were going to spend the rest of our lives together,
Speaker 1: just because I've always believed to that commit Listen, commitment
Speaker 1: is a choice. I think a lot of people forget
Speaker 1: that fact, and whenever something goes wrong with the relationship,
Speaker 1: they immediately go to, well, this isn't the person for me,
Speaker 1: and they forget that there's going to be bad times
Speaker 1: in a relationship that you have to overcome together as
Speaker 1: a couple. So I think it's this might sound bad,
Speaker 1: but there's an aspect of love to me that's a
Speaker 1: conscious choice. That sounds horrible. No it doesn't, but it
Speaker 1: is a conscious choice. And I talk about choice all
Speaker 1: the time because people think, oh, I'm in this dysfunctional relationship.
Speaker 1: How did I get here? I can't believe I'm here?
Speaker 1: This person is a jerk, blah blah blah. And the
Speaker 1: thing is is that they're not taking any responsibility for
Speaker 1: the choice that they've made to be there. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing where if you don't take responsibility for your choices,
Speaker 1: your whole life is going to be just something where
Speaker 1: you're fumbling around all the time going oh, look at
Speaker 1: this happened to me, Oh that happened to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, especially in today's society,
Speaker 1: a lot of people lack accountability and want to point
Speaker 1: fingers and blame others for what's happening to them, when
Speaker 1: in fact, the decision is up to you. And don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, there's a lot of people in this
Speaker 1: world that unfortunately just don't have a leg up and
Speaker 1: need assistance. But there's also a lot of people that
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, good examples of somebody who's
Speaker 1: in a bad relationship and continues to be in a
Speaker 1: bad relationship and blames everybody else except for themselves because
Speaker 1: they won't take accountability with the fact that they're the
Speaker 1: ones making the choice to stay in this bad relationship.
Speaker 1: I can ask you a question. So you said a
Speaker 1: couple of words, and we've touched on it and brief
Speaker 1: on this podcast before, But you called Jared an avoidant
Speaker 1: in the beginning stages of his relationship and now you're
Speaker 1: saying he's secure, but there's different So can you just
Speaker 1: talk about the like why you're using those words and
Speaker 1: what those words mean? Exactly? Sure? Absolutely So. Are you
Speaker 1: guys familiar with insecure attachment? I'm familiar with it, but
Speaker 1: I saw you talk about it. I want the listeners
Speaker 1: to kind of have a I don't know, like a
Speaker 1: very solid version of it, right, but I want to hear,
Speaker 1: like obviously from an expert's pen. Can I hear what
Speaker 1: Dean thinks about it? And then can we get the
Speaker 1: actual definition? Sure, let's do it. As far as I
Speaker 1: understand that the sport attachment styles avoided, anxious, secure, maybe
Speaker 1: just those three. It depends on where you're looking for
Speaker 1: your information, because you can also find disorganized, fearful, you
Speaker 1: can find anxious avoidant. So it just really depends, like
Speaker 1: I was anxious avoidant, Okay, So there's there could be
Speaker 1: hybrids or mixtures of them all. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I kind of have looked back at my relationships in
Speaker 1: the past and I've always kind of uh diagnosedic self
Speaker 1: diagnosed them and kind of put a label on how
Speaker 1: I was in that relationship. Um. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I know obviously a very surface level version of all
Speaker 1: of it. So can you just kind of describe it
Speaker 1: the listeners a little and obviously to us as well. Sure.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to insecure attachment. Um. This was
Speaker 1: something by a psychologist in the sixties named John Baldy
Speaker 1: who came up with the theory of it, and basically
Speaker 1: was talking about attachment style that infants have with their
Speaker 1: initial caregivers, usually mom or dad or whoever that happens
Speaker 1: to be. And in some cases where you would have
Speaker 1: a parent who, let's say, wasn't emotionally available, you know,
Speaker 1: like they could be putting a roof over your head,
Speaker 1: taking care of you all of that, but they may
Speaker 1: not have been emotionally available. They may have been and
Speaker 1: very um closed off, and so you would develop an
Speaker 1: insecure attachment style, you know, where you might avoid mom
Speaker 1: if she came in the room, or you wouldn't miss her,
Speaker 1: or you'd hide it because there's ambivalent to I forgot
Speaker 1: about that style, but anyways, so you would have all
Speaker 1: of these different reactions. And the thing is that you
Speaker 1: carry this stuff forward you. It becomes part of your
Speaker 1: belief system. So if you believe let's say that, um,
Speaker 1: you have to be perfect to earn love as a kid,
Speaker 1: like you get straight a's or you're an overachiever of
Speaker 1: some sort, right, so this is how you associate love
Speaker 1: as this hard thing to get, and so you come
Speaker 1: forward into your relationships as an adult. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that work super hard. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about hard at the positive things in the relationship,
Speaker 1: like really coming closer together, working through problems. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about creating problems, creating issues, and making it hard for them,
Speaker 1: so they're always in a state of struggle. So that
Speaker 1: was like my little abridged version of childhood to adulthood
Speaker 1: how it affects you. But all these different you know,
Speaker 1: like avoidant, that's somebody who usually avoids emotional intimacy. Just
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They're the people that you can't
Speaker 1: cuss on here, right, sure, go ahead, we'll bleep it out. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: now I I mean I I refer to them as
Speaker 1: the accidental coals in life because basically they're the people
Speaker 1: they get nailed for. Oh my gosh, you know, we
Speaker 1: went out kind of like the whole bread crumbing thing.
Speaker 1: We went out, and then they disappeared, and then they
Speaker 1: showed back up, and then they you know, that whole thing. Right,
Speaker 1: So people that are avoidant can end up in that
Speaker 1: situation where they go out with somebody and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so great, so awesome, and
Speaker 1: then they start feeling, you know, feelings that are scary right,
Speaker 1: like I've been down this road before. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I can't get too close to
Speaker 1: this person and they start to back off, and they may,
Speaker 1: you know, they fade out, and then they disappear, and
Speaker 1: maybe the other person thinks they've been ghosted, and then
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is they show back up because
Speaker 1: now they're not so afraid anymore. Maybe they've been thinking
Speaker 1: about that person going you know, Oh, they were pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I think I wanna, you know, give it another try,
Speaker 1: see for me, And I think I don't want to
Speaker 1: speak for Dean, but I think Dean might relate. I'm
Speaker 1: that way. I'm avoiding, but I'm not avoidant because of
Speaker 1: my childhood. I feel like I'm avoiding because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of times within a relationship. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not good enough. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make this a pity party. But in terms of I think,
Speaker 1: especially coming off the show, you get a certain uh,
Speaker 1: people get an idea of who you are, and specifically
Speaker 1: with my wife, I think she had an idea of
Speaker 1: who I was and had this built up idea of
Speaker 1: who I actually was where you just can't live up
Speaker 1: to this expectation. So I think for me, I was
Speaker 1: always afraid to jump into a relationship because I always
Speaker 1: felt like I couldn't live up to a lot of
Speaker 1: people's expectations. Uh, Dean, do you feel like you're similar
Speaker 1: in that way? Why? I would always, Like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I classified myself in past relationships on my attachment style,
Speaker 1: and I always classified myself as avoidant. And it's just
Speaker 1: very clear and the way that I act in the
Speaker 1: way that always been. But why do you think you're
Speaker 1: avoiding I don't know. Childhood trauma. Yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: probably a million different reasons we are the way that
Speaker 1: we are. But like you said, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it was. But you had a great upbringing, like
Speaker 1: with your incredible parents, fantastic, very lucky. I would imagine
Speaker 1: you can. You can have the same results through very
Speaker 1: different ways of getting there, right, you can, And I
Speaker 1: will say that you don't have to actually have had
Speaker 1: a lot of trauma as a kid. Like I have
Speaker 1: clients where their parents were overprotective and they never learned
Speaker 1: to trust themselves. They didn't, you know, like they would
Speaker 1: want to go do something and then mom or dad
Speaker 1: would be like Oh no, don't do that because it
Speaker 1: made the parent nervous. Right, because overprotective people that's what
Speaker 1: they do, So that takes the power of choice away
Speaker 1: from the kid, and the kid neever learns trust themselves,
Speaker 1: which also goes back to their value. Like, how am
Speaker 1: I getting value if I'm never achieving anything unless my
Speaker 1: mom or dad are telling me, yeah, that's the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. Do that, don't do this, right? So
Speaker 1: what do you suggest? I guess that's my question as
Speaker 1: far as which part. Well, you say a lot of
Speaker 1: our morals or our insecurities come from a very young age.
Speaker 1: So do you suggest to parents out there raising their
Speaker 1: kids in a different way. I don't know, because that's
Speaker 1: a curious question because you say that, uh, like being
Speaker 1: an overprotective parent can lead to certain certain insecurities, or
Speaker 1: just like being a parent that really invests um in
Speaker 1: their kids schooling. I don't know. It's hard to really
Speaker 1: uh specifically pinpoint, but like you said, like a lot
Speaker 1: of parents put a lot of value on school work, right,
Speaker 1: So if a kid comes home, I remember I came
Speaker 1: home and I would get sees a lot of times.
Speaker 1: Possibly DS wasn't the greatest student and I remember my
Speaker 1: parents being super disappointed. I'm gonna but that's just like
Speaker 1: every parent, so like we shouldn't change that. Right, You're
Speaker 1: not going to be a perfect human being as a parent,
Speaker 1: and nor are you as the product of your childhood
Speaker 1: going to be perfect either. So there are definitely certain
Speaker 1: expectations that parents have. They don't want you to go
Speaker 1: run out in the middle of the street and get
Speaker 1: hit by a bus either, so you know they might
Speaker 1: grab your arm or go, oh my god, yell at
Speaker 1: you right something. So to me, it's knowing your belief
Speaker 1: system because this all impacts your belief system, Like you're
Speaker 1: talking about your own value. So those kind of things
Speaker 1: you've got to know, all right, I believe these things
Speaker 1: about me. That takes self awareness. You've got to be
Speaker 1: aware of what you say, what you do, how you feel,
Speaker 1: because the more aware that you are, you can do
Speaker 1: something about changing it. Because I'm a believer, and in
Speaker 1: my own life, I've changed a lot of these beliefs.
Speaker 1: I was an avoidant, you know, for many years, so
Speaker 1: I am not that way anymore. I'm happily married and
Speaker 1: I look at how I am, like even if I
Speaker 1: had the tendency to want to go, you know, I
Speaker 1: need to kind of get some space here. So two things. One,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky because my husband is we're both like totally independent,
Speaker 1: but you know, interdependent, you call it, right. But I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm trying to avoid him. I don't
Speaker 1: try to avoid things that if I catch myself like
Speaker 1: with old behavior, I'll go, Okay, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Nope, get closer. I mean that's
Speaker 1: always the answer. Get closer because if you get closer,
Speaker 1: not clinging, but you get closer, you're establishing intimacy and
Speaker 1: you're also breaking patterns of behavior that you up. It
Speaker 1: takes emotional action to break patterns, and that's I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask I was gonna ask you a question in
Speaker 1: the same way, how do we uh tip back the
Speaker 1: scales of time and and focus on the bad parts
Speaker 1: of our attachment styles and improve them? Because I would say,
Speaker 1: what we all strive to be secure, to have a
Speaker 1: secure attachment style, right, that's what we would all want.
Speaker 1: So for someone that's been avoided in his whole life,
Speaker 1: either your Jared or someone that's has anxious or ambivalence
Speaker 1: attachment styles, you're saying, basically self awareness is the most
Speaker 1: important thing self awareness, because you have to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: You've got to know what you're doing. Most people, and
Speaker 1: you may notice this in yourselves. You might be other oriented.
Speaker 1: You might be paying attention to what everybody else is
Speaker 1: doing and deciding how you're going to react to them. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: if I look at, uh, you know, any relationship and
Speaker 1: I'm concerned with how they see me or what they're doing,
Speaker 1: or I want them to act a certain way towards me,
Speaker 1: then I would act in other ways to promote that.
Speaker 1: But when you catch yourself doing it, you're not being authentic,
Speaker 1: You're not really being who you are. You're just trying
Speaker 1: to manipulate a situation. So when you notice you're doing
Speaker 1: things like that, stop, just check yourself and stop and
Speaker 1: go what am I doing? I need to stop doing that? Why?
Speaker 1: Because I want to be securely attached because it feels better,
Speaker 1: and so it's like unabashed openness. It's kind of what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I am saying that. I'm saying also to
Speaker 1: speak your truth. Right, So you have a thirty day
Speaker 1: boot camp. I have, um, well, I have a thirty
Speaker 1: day emotional cleanse, which is a digital program that you
Speaker 1: can take and you know, it's really great. I think
Speaker 1: that people have changed their lives. In fact, that's what
Speaker 1: I've heard. Um. But I also have a workshop coming
Speaker 1: up um December six, and that is going to be
Speaker 1: on bread crumbing and stopping the bread crumbing because people
Speaker 1: keep taking bread crumbs their whole lives without even knowing it.
Speaker 1: They just complain about it. So let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of those terms. Well, yeah, I have some of the
Speaker 1: terms actually brought up on my computer right now. And
Speaker 1: bread crumbing for all of you out there are help
Speaker 1: by secuit dators who don't know what breadcumbing is. It
Speaker 1: is when somebody seems to be pursuing you, but really
Speaker 1: they have no intention of being tied down to a relationship.
Speaker 1: It might be difficult to tell in their earliest ages,
Speaker 1: especially if you met online, because they receive a series
Speaker 1: of text that suggests they are interested. However, it soon
Speaker 1: becomes clear that this person has no intention of following
Speaker 1: through with anything they've said. They just like leaving you
Speaker 1: bread crumbs like a trail and Hansel and Gretel to
Speaker 1: stir you along. That is from business insider dot Com
Speaker 1: shout out to Business insider, string you along, rust you along?
Speaker 1: What did I say? Is it stir you along? I said,
Speaker 1: stir you along? Wow, I'm an idiot anyway. Uh So, Tracy,
Speaker 1: you say that you do a worship on a workshop
Speaker 1: on bread crumbing and how to stop people from bread crumbing.
Speaker 1: You m hm basically tell us, well, you you can't
Speaker 1: stop Okay, you can't stop people from doing whatever the
Speaker 1: hell they're gonna do. They're just gonna do what they do.
Speaker 1: You can stop participating in this though, Okay. I mean
Speaker 1: that's going back to the whole power of choicing that
Speaker 1: we were talking about before. You you have a choice.
Speaker 1: So one of the things is when it comes to
Speaker 1: bread crumbing is to have some kind of, as I said,
Speaker 1: an awareness that you're unhappy, that you're in a situation
Speaker 1: that you probably have anxiety about. Because with bread crumbing,
Speaker 1: you think somebody's gone and then they show back up,
Speaker 1: and then you notice that it becomes a pattern, right
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, call it yo, yo,
Speaker 1: call it whatever you want, and you start to become
Speaker 1: anxious most of the time because you know this person
Speaker 1: is going to show back up, you know it, and
Speaker 1: you can't seem to let go of it like you're stuck.
Speaker 1: You're one of those people that your friends are like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Why can't you get out of
Speaker 1: the situation? What's wrong with you? And so that's how
Speaker 1: I mean. I help people by helping them change their beliefs,
Speaker 1: their patterns, how they basically think and feel, so that
Speaker 1: they end up feeling a lot lighter and they can
Speaker 1: make better decisions. Can you give us one example of
Speaker 1: how someone might get themselves out of bread crumbing. I
Speaker 1: know it's not just one thing that will change everything,
Speaker 1: but can you give us a small sample. Sure, when
Speaker 1: you go out on a date, first of all, make
Speaker 1: sure that you're in reality. A lot of times, especially
Speaker 1: I don't want to say women, but women will go
Speaker 1: out on a date with somebody. Um men do it too,
Speaker 1: because I work with people. I work with men and women,
Speaker 1: and so they'll go on a date and they'll think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like so into this person. They
Speaker 1: don't know this person, and they develop a fantasy about
Speaker 1: the person. You know, they see themselves writing off into
Speaker 1: the sunset with them, so they're not in reality. And
Speaker 1: that's usually when you can tell, because you're already living
Speaker 1: in the future. Somewhere. So my you know, my advice
Speaker 1: is always to bring it back to the present moment,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in one of these cycles, to like
Speaker 1: even past the first date and let's say you get
Speaker 1: caught up in that, You've got to become aware of
Speaker 1: holy crap, you know, I'm putting up with this. What
Speaker 1: am I thinking? Well, I'm thinking about them getting their
Speaker 1: you know, their act together and coming back like what
Speaker 1: you did with your wife, like she probably on some
Speaker 1: level was hoping you were going to finally wake up
Speaker 1: one day and go, yeah, I want to be with you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so it really it works like that, but a
Speaker 1: lot of times it doesn't have a happy ending. Usually
Speaker 1: it has, you know, just this ongoing bread crumbing and
Speaker 1: it never goes anywhere. Well. I think for me specifically,
Speaker 1: I had to just let go of my ego um
Speaker 1: for a little while. I think what what you were
Speaker 1: talking about We've talked about in this podcast before, to
Speaker 1: where it's like the less you know about someone, especially
Speaker 1: early on in dating whatever it might be, is you
Speaker 1: have such a small amount of information on them, so
Speaker 1: so you know like five percent who they are, then
Speaker 1: you tend to fill in with what you hope for
Speaker 1: them to be. Yeah, exactly. And then so that's obviously
Speaker 1: you're able to glorify them put up on this pedestal
Speaker 1: because you have no idea who they are. You just
Speaker 1: you're assuming these things. And then well what I always
Speaker 1: noticed too is obviously the longer you get to know them,
Speaker 1: the more they start to fill it up themselves, and
Speaker 1: then less things tend to fall in how you expect
Speaker 1: them to fall into place, right, And that could be
Speaker 1: really disappointing, you know, for people if they are not
Speaker 1: allowing a natural process and dating. Because one of the
Speaker 1: things too, people don't speak their truth. They come to
Speaker 1: a date, they want to impress that person, they hide
Speaker 1: things that are important to them, and then they end
Speaker 1: up you know, being either walking on egg shells for
Speaker 1: the whole relationship, never admitting to some things that are
Speaker 1: very true for them, or you know, they end up
Speaker 1: fighting at about it and then it turns into a
Speaker 1: point of contention or many points of contention. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will say this, So I'm in a relationship. Now, I
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend. We've been dating for five months. Hold
Speaker 1: your applause please everyone, Um, yeah, thank you, mark uh.
Speaker 1: And I will say that this is the first. I've
Speaker 1: always been like super honest, but this time I've been
Speaker 1: like overly honest, to the point where I'm like arring
Speaker 1: all my dirty laundry out as early as I possibly could,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, this is who I am, this is
Speaker 1: who I'm gonna be. Obviously I can like grow moving forward,
Speaker 1: but like this is all the bad stuff you'll ever
Speaker 1: have to know about me. Um. And as soon as
Speaker 1: I started like talking so openly and freely about those things,
Speaker 1: I noticed there's a lot more, uh strengthen the relationship
Speaker 1: that I have now with my girlfriend versus before I
Speaker 1: was like ashamed of certain things, and so maybe I
Speaker 1: wasn't telling like the full truth on some of that. Um.
Speaker 1: And like you said, I was always kind of walking
Speaker 1: like on edge a little bit, thinking that I wouldn't,
Speaker 1: to Jared's point, live up to the expectations of the
Speaker 1: person that I'm dating, because like I'm kind of selling
Speaker 1: myself to be a little bit more than I really am. Um.
Speaker 1: So I agree with what you're saying, and it's nice
Speaker 1: and it's like a liberating feeling. It's it's obviously because
Speaker 1: then you have the person that's liking you for you
Speaker 1: rather than the person that you're at least put on exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you boths. Is that something we
Speaker 1: should all do moving forward? I think so, to let
Speaker 1: go of any expectations and just fully be yourself from
Speaker 1: the moment you meet someone. Yeah. Well, I think I
Speaker 1: told you this before too. When I was on the
Speaker 1: show the first this pastime, I was like, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got no friends, I'm super broke, I'm homeless. I got
Speaker 1: this ridiculous. I like what. I undersold myself to the
Speaker 1: point where Jared called it manipulation. I see where he's
Speaker 1: I never said manipulation. You're like, well, it's it's a
Speaker 1: kind of manipulation. I was like, yeah, it kind of is,
Speaker 1: but like it's like on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: it's like I was like being like, I'm a real
Speaker 1: head right like that, I have no friends, I have
Speaker 1: no prospects. I definitely never said manipulation. I would never
Speaker 1: call you a manipulation. No, I know, but you it
Speaker 1: was like you were just kind of spoken, like driving
Speaker 1: a debate. You were not sometimes I like driving debate. Yeah. Um, anyways,
Speaker 1: my point is I undersold like the crap out of myself,
Speaker 1: and it obviously works in my favorite So I agreed
Speaker 1: to your point. To your point, uh, the more, I
Speaker 1: guess you just are willing to share about yourself and
Speaker 1: then you kind of create that secure attachment. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that in this relationship that I'm in now
Speaker 1: that I haven't avoid an attachment style. I think both
Speaker 1: of us are secure. Um. And it's the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever been in a relationship where it's been so
Speaker 1: secure attachment style wise. And I think to your point,
Speaker 1: it's to think the openness in the honesty from the
Speaker 1: get go. I think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: And you've got to actually care about yourself enough to
Speaker 1: do that. You know, that's the thing when you don't
Speaker 1: care about yourself enough, and that's again a belief, and
Speaker 1: you're doing things to avoid having that. I would say
Speaker 1: that love for yourself, then you're looking for it from
Speaker 1: someone else anyways, and so you're needing them to kind
Speaker 1: of fill an empty hole. Um. So you also have
Speaker 1: a podcast called deal with It on Apple Podcasts. Is
Speaker 1: this more of the topic you talk about? It? Is?
Speaker 1: I am? I've been doing it twice a week and
Speaker 1: on Tuesday's specifically. It's called the journey of attachment and
Speaker 1: it is all about attachment. Yeah, listen to that. Oh,
Speaker 1: I listened to an episode on the Way and it's
Speaker 1: You're very positive. I was telling you that earlier. You're
Speaker 1: very positive way thinking you're optimistic. It's very comforting to
Speaker 1: listen to. That's awesome, and I, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like it is because I've lived it, so I know
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from, and I've helped people in the
Speaker 1: last eleven years and getting out of these situations and
Speaker 1: getting into healthy relationships. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: we need to have you on for more than just
Speaker 1: a twenty or thirty minute segment. That's a segment at
Speaker 1: some point because I feel there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: overlap between what we talked about on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like what you're incredibly well versed in
Speaker 1: as well. Um, but we do have to we have
Speaker 1: to wrap up. Yeah. Yeah, but Tracy, we want to
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming and we really appreciate it. Tracy.
Speaker 1: So Tracy Cross to everybody. You can check out of
Speaker 1: her podcast on Apple Podcasts everywhere. It is called Deal
Speaker 1: with It. You also have your thirty Day Cleans, which
Speaker 1: is online because on your website you go immediately and
Speaker 1: you have to take a quiz, which I took the quiz.
Speaker 1: It's a little intimidating some of the questions, but it
Speaker 1: forces you to be honest. Like Dean said, you have
Speaker 1: to be honest from the get go or you're never
Speaker 1: gonna grow. Uh. And then you also have a boot
Speaker 1: camp coming up? I do I have? Um, well, I
Speaker 1: have the boot camp which actually starts this week, and
Speaker 1: it will kick your butt. It's basically all about trans
Speaker 1: warming these beliefs in a very short period of time
Speaker 1: because usually have to work with people for years and
Speaker 1: when you can cut it down and I cut it
Speaker 1: down to ten weeks and it will change your life.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and where can people get that? They can
Speaker 1: go to my website. You can find that there, you
Speaker 1: can find the workshop there, you can find everything. It's
Speaker 1: all there. And then Tracy Crossley dot com. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: saying your last name right, you are. I was so
Speaker 1: confident in the beginning I didn't even ask you. I
Speaker 1: was like, her last name is Crossley. That's how I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's very phonetic. Um. Anyways, Stacy, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. We appreciate it. We'll be on the
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Speaker 1: gonna get into a couple of emails right now. But
Speaker 1: before we get into the emails. I want to encourage
Speaker 1: you to email us your own stories. Email us at
Speaker 1: I Suck It Dating at I heeart media dot com.
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of good ones today. Mark is
Speaker 1: going to read them. I'm not sure which ones he's
Speaker 1: gonna pick. I got three in front of me right now,
Speaker 1: all of equal quality, and let's get into it. Four
Speaker 1: more greeds. I just want to say, if you're not
Speaker 1: following they help us like a dating Instagram, what do
Speaker 1: you do? Well? Come on, guys, I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that more people listen to this podcast than follow
Speaker 1: us on social media. And I gotta be honest, I've
Speaker 1: been putting some good content up there. You've been doing
Speaker 1: really good. I'm I'm I'm I'm happy with myself. So
Speaker 1: a dating podcast group on help my such a dating
Speaker 1: on Instagram. This is controversial what I'm going to say,
Speaker 1: but of all of the people that we do podcasts with,
Speaker 1: I believe Jared is the most dedicated to his podcast.
Speaker 1: I do. I believe that because like like with like
Speaker 1: with Tracy, you listen to her podcast, you read a
Speaker 1: bunch of her stuff, like you really prep for the
Speaker 1: guests were most of our podcast to It's no offense
Speaker 1: because they're very busy people. But they come in there
Speaker 1: and go, who what what do they do? Great? And
Speaker 1: then we tell them and then they go do it.
Speaker 1: But you really put the time in. Well, I will
Speaker 1: never take for granted having an I Heart Radio podcast,
Speaker 1: like the idea if you would have told, you know,
Speaker 1: thirteen year old Jared that he would have a podcast
Speaker 1: on iHeart Radio in the same studio that Ryan Seacres,
Speaker 1: the host of American Idol, records in in the morning.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't take those things for granted. So,
Speaker 1: like you know, I just want to make sure we
Speaker 1: do a deal. Dugon's work hard, help I suck at dating.
Speaker 1: People Choice Awards. Here we come and mark to your point.
Speaker 1: I'm really thank you for saying things. Glad one of
Speaker 1: the co hosts of this podcast really cares about it.
Speaker 1: You well, you know what it is. Dean's here's the
Speaker 1: thing that I I've noticed, Dean is so naturally talented.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I'm not trying to boost you up,
Speaker 1: but you're just so good at being able to articulate
Speaker 1: yourself and and and say your thoughts. You are very
Speaker 1: good at this day and that is true I appreciate
Speaker 1: the compliment after the dick, and so I'll take it.
Speaker 1: But also, you did the show by yourself for a
Speaker 1: long time, and that's hard. Hard, it really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny too because that was before I really I
Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't matter, but let's get into all right. Also,
Speaker 1: I want to put out Jared said del do agence.
Speaker 1: I thought that was very funny. What did I say? Deligence?
Speaker 1: English is hard for me. We have an anonymous email.
Speaker 1: She was at a bar with a guy she's been unbumbled.
Speaker 1: She thought it was pretty boring, but whatever. So the
Speaker 1: bartender bring us their drinks and she looks up and
Speaker 1: she sees her ex boyfriend on a date with one
Speaker 1: of her best friends. I've never been so shook in
Speaker 1: my life, she says her best friend Caesar freezes. I
Speaker 1: look at my day and I say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this was chill, but I gotta bounce and I left.
Speaker 1: But now I don't know what to do. Like, she
Speaker 1: knew how insane my ex boyfriend was, she knew how
Speaker 1: awful our breakup was, but now she's going out with him.
Speaker 1: What do I do? Seven? Oh? I for some reason
Speaker 1: and more upset with him than I am with her.
Speaker 1: But how does she handle this situation? Right? Why is
Speaker 1: she more upset with him? But that's a good question.
Speaker 1: But that's another That's one of those things like sometimes
Speaker 1: when you're you catch your spouse kind of flirting with
Speaker 1: somebody or more mad at the girl than you are
Speaker 1: with your spouse. Like I'm not sure what the mentality
Speaker 1: is there, but it happens. There's like a weird justification
Speaker 1: your brain does the person closer to you, you find
Speaker 1: more excuses for Yeah, I guess because I'd be way
Speaker 1: more mad at the best friend. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: It is funny too, because it sounds like if obviously
Speaker 1: she was talking to her friend all the time about
Speaker 1: how bad this boyfriend or hers was. Now they're broken up,
Speaker 1: but now she's on a date with him. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I think that she's kind of mixed. She should be
Speaker 1: more upset with her friend than she should be with
Speaker 1: her x r X doesn't owe her anything. He can
Speaker 1: go on any dates he wants with whoever he wants
Speaker 1: for that friend. Doesn't sound like she's very much your friend.
Speaker 1: If she was, like she was laying and wait, like
Speaker 1: she knew this was teetering, and she waited for her
Speaker 1: opportunity to move in. So let's help answer her question.
Speaker 1: What does she do? She talks to the friend obviously
Speaker 1: and asked her, what the hell are you doing? I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's what I would do. I would say,
Speaker 1: it probably sounds like that friendship is just about to
Speaker 1: be over, but it's her best friend. That's how she's
Speaker 1: saying it in the email. It doesn't sound like the
Speaker 1: best friend. It doesn't sound like the other person feels
Speaker 1: the same way, because if you had a best friend
Speaker 1: that just broke up with a crazy X, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be going on a date with that person. Yeah, feelings
Speaker 1: for this guy while you were with him, totally, I think, Jared,
Speaker 1: I think you probably are giving the best advice that
Speaker 1: you know. Communication. You should talk to her, but I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe just move on. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's never talked to your best friend again? Well
Speaker 1: she isn't it. I'm the best friend to talk to her,
Speaker 1: communicating like at some point they're going to talk, right
Speaker 1: Like the best friend does not know that she saw
Speaker 1: her on the date with her X. She does know
Speaker 1: she locked eyes. They locked eyes. She froze and O
Speaker 1: god an anonymous fled. Maybe they'll never talk. I don't
Speaker 1: know they should. They're gonna talk at some point, so
Speaker 1: I think you should just reach out to her. And
Speaker 1: I've kind of talked about this before. One of my
Speaker 1: old uh, one of my ex girlfriends, had hooked up
Speaker 1: with my best friend once and then I started dating her,
Speaker 1: and my best friend got really upset once he found out.
Speaker 1: But but we had gone on like five dates before
Speaker 1: he ever found out, and I guess I never told him,
Speaker 1: but he was my best friend. But it's a little
Speaker 1: different because him and her were never like actually boyfriend
Speaker 1: girlfriend that never really dated. They just like kind of
Speaker 1: hooked up a couple of times or whatever. Right, So
Speaker 1: I've been this girl's friend who is now dating her ex,
Speaker 1: and I'm still best friends with the guy that I
Speaker 1: was best friends with back then. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a tricky situation. Like maybe she's having fun like being
Speaker 1: sneaky about potential relationship and kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: moving through the shadows, but also it's kind of messed up,
Speaker 1: especially if you were like constantly sharing how crappy this
Speaker 1: guy was with you and how you you're probably like
Speaker 1: devastated and sad and heartbroken. That never happened in my situation,
Speaker 1: so I can't speak on that. But if if any
Speaker 1: of that happened, and now this person is still dating
Speaker 1: the guy that you just broke up with, that's cause
Speaker 1: for concern. Yeah, I agree. I think Mark, you hit
Speaker 1: it on the head. Where this girl like this guy,
Speaker 1: she was dating her friend, they broke up. He asked
Speaker 1: her out because they're like with some flirtations. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she might have moved in and asked him out. I
Speaker 1: mean that's I think that changes the entire conversation. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know that, because maybe it's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe the boy friend whilst they were together and your
Speaker 1: best friends hot, oh boy, if I ever have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: I'm moving in on that. Maybe you're right. Maybe the
Speaker 1: onus on this one is on the boy. Sounds like
Speaker 1: you're out a boyfriend and you're out a friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. As long as she said it's one
Speaker 1: of her best friends. You have other best friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got plenty, You got options, kind of options. Girl,
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap it up. I'm sorry. Guys, Ben and
Speaker 1: Ashley were here, and you know they get more listens
Speaker 1: than such. It's truest statement. Twenty people Choice Awards and
Speaker 1: we won't get kicked out of the studio. People. The
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Speaker 1: Team anyways, Thank you so much for listening to this
Speaker 1: week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating. Jared. I
Speaker 1: love being a studio with you. Thanks for your love
Speaker 1: being in studio with you two. We need to do
Speaker 1: this more if we really we need to be in
Speaker 1: studium are often. Thanks for sitting through this with me.
Speaker 1: Big thank you to our guests Tracy Crossley. Be sure
Speaker 1: to check out her podcast, Deal with It. Big thank
Speaker 1: you to Katie from fund for calling and talking to
Speaker 1: us for a little bit. Big thank you too, Anonymous
Speaker 1: for sharing her story about her crazy ex boyfriend and
Speaker 1: her emails are from Anonymous. I wish we had time
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