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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with public land

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Speaker 1: white tail killer Andy May. All right, folks, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by First Light. You might notice that this is not

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Speaker 1: the voice of Mark Kenyon. He sent me an email

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Speaker 1: last week saying that he's off at a soap carving

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Speaker 1: convention in Peoria, Illinois, and that he hopes to level

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Speaker 1: up his skills so that his dolphins are as good

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Speaker 1: as his other work. I don't I don't really know

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Speaker 1: what he means by that, but I hope he achieves

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Speaker 1: that goal. And while he's working on it, you've got

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Speaker 1: me and Andy May. Andy is one of the most successful,

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Speaker 1: well known public land bow hunters out there. He's easily

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Speaker 1: one of the most successful hunters alive today, from his

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Speaker 1: home state of Michigan to a pile of other states,

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Speaker 1: and he just gets it done on great animals. And

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Speaker 1: he partially credits this to his love of woodsmanship, his

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Speaker 1: constant quest for knowledge, and his discipline. In this episode,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of like a part two to last

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Speaker 1: week's show with Casey Smith. We talked about why Andy

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Speaker 1: chooses to hunt where he does, and instead of focusing

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Speaker 1: on trophy caliber, he focuses on hunting opportunities that will

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Speaker 1: make him better. We also go off on a bunch

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Speaker 1: of tangents to talk about social media influencers, deer managers,

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of other stuff. I think you're really

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Speaker 1: going to enjoy this one because I know every time

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Speaker 1: I talked to Andy, I get my faith in hunting

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Speaker 1: or the hunting industry renewed just a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: I always learned something Andy May It's a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: see again. Buddy, Hey, Tony, thanks for having me. How

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm good man. You got sick of me bothering? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you finally decided to sit down and and do

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and we've got this is kind of a

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Speaker 1: part two. You know. I had Casey Smith on just

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Speaker 1: recently talking about kind of d y hunt planning and

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Speaker 1: traveling to to find big Bucks on public land and

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Speaker 1: go have a good experience. We covered a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff there, but you and I are going to take

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Speaker 1: a different route, different road on this because we Uh,

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Speaker 1: I think we kind of view hunting similarly, and and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into a lot of stuff there, but

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Speaker 1: we were just talking off air about like your workout

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Speaker 1: and we don't you know, we hear that out West

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Speaker 1: all the time, but we don't hear the benefits for

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Speaker 1: a breakdown of like your year, just kind of like

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Speaker 1: when are you working out the hardest, when are you

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Speaker 1: kind of slacking off? And and what are you doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, to keep yourself healthy and happy? But also

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Speaker 1: how does that tie into your white tail hunting? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I take uh workout and fitness very seriously.

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Speaker 1: It's something I'm very passionate about. I love it. UM

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, of the year, UM, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not trying to say that this is a necessity,

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Speaker 1: I think it. The way it benefits me is you know, multifaceted,

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, when I when I quit drinking, I started

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Speaker 1: And it's probably I know people don't like hearing about

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Speaker 1: It's so to me, Like, you know, people are always like, hey,

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Speaker 1: certainly guys that are way higher level than meet. But

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Speaker 1: You know, once the hunting season comes, my workouts really

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Speaker 1: you said that this is how you're wired, and I

427
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: don't doubt this for a second, but I bet it's

428
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: also to some extent, you know, when we were chatting

429
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: off air here just a little bit ago, you kind

430
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: of come to realize there's two ways to look at

431
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: this stuff. And the hunting industry does a really good

432
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: job of selling us on one style of white tail hunting,

433
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: which is take away the white tails defenses. Somehow create

434
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: a spot he's gonna want to go to to eat,

435
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: to drink, where the doors are gonna be, leave him

436
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: alone till he's old enough to kill him, you know,

437
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: sit in a box blind, or sit in some way

438
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: where you kind of you negate his senses further, you know,

439
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: use use all the technology to your advantage, and just

440
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of overwhelmed those suckers. And then there's the other

441
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: path where you don't have that option. Either either it's

442
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: just not feasible or you choose not to have it,

443
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: and you go, I'm gonna go hunt where these dear

444
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: You know, they're not baby sad, They're not conditioned to

445
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: go into a certain spot and feel safe. They're living

446
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: out there in a place they get hunted all the time.

447
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: And the only way to really enjoy that and to

448
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: get to have success is for you to get better,

449
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: not for you to dumb the deer down, because that's

450
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: not going to happen. And so there's these two kind

451
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: of paths and they get you know, we conflate this

452
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: all the time, and I don't want people to think

453
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: that I'm shipping on that style of you know, plant

454
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: food plots and stuff like gonuts for doughnuts. I don't

455
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: care what people do. But what you're talking about is

456
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: your intentionally choosing to go route where your only option

457
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: is level up or you're gonna your time is gonna

458
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: suck because you you don't have the option to change

459
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: the deer to or force them to kind of alter

460
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: their behavior convince them that they're safe. You just gotta go.

461
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get better. Yeah, you know, I mean, honestly,

462
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean these these some of these out of state

463
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: trips when you're figure in gas and tag prices and

464
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: you know, scouting trips and and all this stuff. Um,

465
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: you know it it adds up with money. I mean, honestly,

466
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I probably could. It doesn't seem like I could. But honestly,

467
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: I could probably cut back and you know, buy a

468
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: cool farm in Illinois or something and manage it and

469
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: shoot bigger deer than what I'm doing now. Or or

470
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: get a couple of leases, you know in Ohio, in

471
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: Ohio and in Iowa and Kansas and just put all

472
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: my money into that and shoot higher scoring deer. I could.

473
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: I could probably do that. Um, but I don't know.

474
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: It just doesn't what I'm doing now. UM. It's my

475
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: mindset and my goal is better. Um. We talked about

476
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: this a little bit, and I don't want to. I'm

477
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to crap on these guys, either,

478
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: but like I hear sometimes I listened to the podcast, like,

479
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: I can admire any hunter that is at the top

480
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: of their niche you know what I mean, like of

481
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: their category, and some of these guys, I consider them

482
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: more deer managers than actual deer hunters. And I don't

483
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: mean that as a negative way. They are the best

484
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: of the best. Like I listened to their podcasts and

485
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, trying to pick up a negative information that

486
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: I could use. And I hear things, you know, I

487
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: heard I heard one of the guy you know, one

488
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: guy was saying he had thirty two bucks over a

489
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: hundred fifty and I'm just like, holy crap, you know,

490
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: And this is a guy we consider a white tail expert,

491
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, a white tailed deer hunter expert. And I

492
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: don't know if that's in my opinion, I don't know

493
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: if that's the right label, you know, an expert deer manager,

494
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: an expert dear grower. Like, if that's your goal, that's

495
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: the guy to listen to. UM. You know. One of

496
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: the other guys says that he's out there so much,

497
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: and he puts himself out there checking cameras and filling

498
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: feeders and so much. He said that the deer just

499
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: get used to me. And I'm just like, well, you

500
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: why is that? Why is that the goal? Why is

501
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: the goal to make deer get used to you? Like?

502
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: Is that? Isn't that taken away the difficulty of hunting,

503
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that we love so much, the

504
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: challenge of it. And then, you know, another guy was

505
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: talking about UM one of his redneck blinds, I think,

506
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: and he said, when he's in it, the deer can't

507
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: smell me, you know, they cannot smell me. I'm bulletproof,

508
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: and I'm just like I was talking to Kenyan about it,

509
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: I was like, why is that the goal? You know,

510
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: why is that the goal to take away their number

511
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: one defense so that you can shoot him? So, I

512
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know that. When I was hearing these things, it

513
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: just started my wheels turning. Um. I think it's very important.

514
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: I think it's crucial that we keep, um, the woodsmanship

515
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: part of hunting alive. And there's a clear trend and

516
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: path towards taking that away through technology, through deer farming,

517
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 1: through deer managing, through locking up as much ground as

518
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: you can and keeping everybody else out so that you

519
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: have the easiest hunting possible. But there's still there's still

520
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: some guys out there that that feel very strongly that

521
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: that's not the way, that's not the way it should be,

522
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: that's not the way to keep the resource around long term. UM.

523
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel I feel like it's a

524
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: conversation that needs to be talked about, and I feel

525
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: uh that I don't know. I I feel compelled to

526
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: talk about this and hopefully inspire some people to keep

527
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: that alive. There's there's some guys, and those are the

528
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: guys I talked to on a daily basis. Like I

529
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: have some some friends, some close friends that I don't

530
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: talk to on a daily basis about deer because we

531
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: don't align on that. And some of the guys I

532
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: talked to, I mean, we talked about we talked about

533
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: reading sign and we talked about all this, these different

534
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: types of terrain. And they're trying to learn from me,

535
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, from areas that I've been in that they

536
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: haven't been in, and I'm trying to learn from them

537
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: and the big woods or the hill country and these

538
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: little intricacies that I don't have the experience yet to

539
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: pull from. And I just we just we find it

540
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: fascinating to talk to each other. And we literally talk

541
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: every day, you know, while we're driving or whatever. And uh,

542
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, those are the guys I'm drawn to. I'm

543
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: drawn to the guys like you and Eddie Claypool and

544
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: my friend Justin Wright, who is just an awesome woodsman. Um,

545
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm drawing to guy listening to guys like you know,

546
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: Bobby Worthington. Um, I'm drawn to guys like uh, you know, Nathan.

547
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Nathan Killing is one that comes to mind. Um, I

548
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: came across his podcast and he's he's a big woods

549
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: guy and just you can tell he's just a woodsman.

550
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Um Travis Murray. I listened to one of his podcasts.

551
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: He's from the South. Like when you talk about when

552
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: you hear about these guys, you're not hearing food plots.

553
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: You're not hearing about managing the deer getting him to

554
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: five years of age. You're not You're not hearing that stuff.

555
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: You're hearing about the woodsmanship, the skill and the craft

556
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: of hunting and improving that too. A chief success, you know,

557
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: Zach Zack Farringball, you know he's another one. Uh Beaumartinic,

558
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Both bowsy, young dude. But

559
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: you listen to him talk. Look at his videos. I

560
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: mean the guy is talking about breaking down mountain bucks

561
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: and he's talking about, you know, all these different um

562
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: native food sources that are there that I have no

563
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: experience with. And I just I just watched that and

564
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I eat it up, man, Like that's

565
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: a guy, like that's one of those guys that's going

566
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: to keep it alive. Um. So, I don't know, I

567
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: think it's important, and I don't know, you feel strongly

568
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I know you feel the same way I do, And

569
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I think, what what I love about? You know, I mean,

570
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of stuff going on right Like

571
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: people are super piste off about social media influencers in

572
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: the hunting space and you know, the YouTube, the YouTube

573
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of hunters and stuff like that, and I get

574
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I get the complaints, but I also love the fact

575
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: that you know, if you take if you take like

576
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: the deer manager route, where you're you're gonna take a

577
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: property and try to really cultivate some big bucks and

578
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: turn it into a mecca that's sort of ubiquitous across

579
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: the white tail space, right Like you could do that

580
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, you could do that in Michigan, you could

581
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: do it in New York, and you know, it might

582
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: be a little bit different in each state, but the

583
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: blueprint is kind of the same. The path that's kind

584
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: of the same. It's like, Okay, we know how to

585
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: hack the white tails that way, and we know how

586
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: to pull that off, and that can be like a

587
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: great option if that's what you want to do. But

588
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: what I love about like the current space we had

589
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: when you mentioned Bow and Zach and some of these

590
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: guys they're showing people the other ways to do this stuff.

591
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: I love that, Like I'm the same way, man. I think.

592
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I think those those people are so inspirational and they

593
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: show you what can't be done. Like everybody says, oh,

594
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: it's impossible to come to my state and kill a buck.

595
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: It's impossible to kill a you know, a big one

596
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: on public land in Michigan. It's impossible to do this.

597
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, man, if it's impossible,

598
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what these guys are doing. Because they're

599
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: doing it. They're showing it. I talked to I talked

600
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: about you on every freaking podcast I do. I'm like,

601
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: these people are out here proving that this stuff can

602
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: be done, and it's I think that's like so inspirational.

603
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: When you're sitting there and you've got that kind of

604
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: localized bias going or you're like, hey, I want to

605
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: travel out of state and I want to hunt here,

606
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: but man, I don't know. I don't want to go hunt.

607
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: I heard there's only two percent of public land in Nebraska,

608
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: or it's way over hunted in Missouri. I don't know

609
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: if I want to do it. And then you see

610
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: people show up in four or five six days, kill

611
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: a great buck and leave and you're like, Okay, well

612
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: that dude did it. Like it's it's totally possible. I

613
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: love that aspect of what's going on today. Yeah, yeah,

614
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I do too. And those guys are crucial and uh,

615
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, I know what you're referring to with the

616
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, kind of the buzz with UM the

617
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: attack on like you know, social media hunters and YouTube

618
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: hunters and stuff. And I have some opinions about that too.

619
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: There's certainly some negatives UM, you know, and some people

620
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: that appear to be doing it for in my opinion,

621
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. But there's also people out there, like

622
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned Zach Bo some of these other guys that

623
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: are putting out content on YouTube and it's doing what

624
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: we're it's doing what exactly what we're talking about is

625
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: keeping that keeping that woodsmanship alive, keeping that mentality of um,

626
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I want to get better and I want to learn.

627
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Like like you could listen to Zach talk all day. Man,

628
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: he's just like, man, you know, he's just like I

629
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: just want to be able to do that. I want

630
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: to figure that out. Or you know, he's like, you know,

631
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm not good at that or I want to do this,

632
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah, that's that's the mentality right there, man.

633
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: He just that feeling of you can go anywhere, you know,

634
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: you can go anywhere that has white tail and be

635
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: effective and and that's that is what I strive to have.

636
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: And I certainly have that feeling that I can go

637
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: and be effective in a lot of areas. But I

638
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: don't have that feeling everywhere. Um, you know, there are

639
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: there are some guys, Um you know, there's some guys

640
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: that I hear of that that taught you know, they're

641
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: they're from different areas in the South or the far

642
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: East or whatever. And it's just like, I don't have

643
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: any experience there. I don't I don't think I can

644
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: go there and kill a buck in four days like

645
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I can in some of these other states that I've

646
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: had some experience and some confidence, And I mean maybe

647
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: it might happen. You know, you you you have a

648
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: certain you you develop a certain level of hunting instinct

649
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: and decision making and um, you know the ability to

650
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: to perform you know, under pressure when that you know,

651
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment happens. But you know, I

652
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: got a lot to learn. I got a lot to learn, um,

653
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: and I'm eager to learn um. Those I listened to

654
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: a lot of like Southern stuff. Um. Ironically, like I

655
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't even have any plans yet to go hunting

656
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: the South. I've haunted to South is Tennessee, so I

657
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: guess it's down there a little ways. But like you know,

658
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: some of those guys, man, they got it tough and

659
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: they get it done, and and I hear them talking,

660
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, you know, that's that's some next level

661
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: stuff for that type of ureen. Now, they might come

662
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: up here in the open country of flat land Ohio

663
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: and just be lost, you know, but like, you know,

664
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: that's where I feel real comfortable. Or or the broken

665
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: upland of river bottoms and some some rolling hills, like

666
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of my bread and butter, bread

667
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: and butter, you know, I feel I feel comfortable there. Um.

668
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just that mindset of of

669
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: growing and and learning, and I feel like I feel

670
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: like if you get to that point where you're you

671
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: close that off and you become this expert. I hated it,

672
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, I hate when people call me an expert.

673
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I hate it, um, I just hate it, and I

674
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: hate it when people call themselves an expert to um.

675
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: But it's it's just like you're it's like you're closing

676
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: your mind off. It's like, Okay, I'm the expert. Like

677
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I got all the answers. I know what I can do.

678
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: I can answer this question about this and this and this.

679
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that you can never achieve that. Really,

680
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: there's there's too many types of situations, to varying degrees

681
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: of pressure, too much different type of terrain and and

682
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: uh you know weather and um, you know temperature differences

683
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: and different different parts of the country that you know,

684
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can master at all, um,

685
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know. That's that's what motivates me, is

686
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: just constantly learning. You know. If I'm learning, then I'm

687
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, I'm feeling happy, I'm feeling fulfilled with hunting.

688
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: And if I'm not, if I'm just you know, I

689
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: get in the groove and yeah, I'll probably kill it.

690
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: You know, three or four year old buck off this

691
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: piece of property this year. You know I got three

692
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: or four of them. You know I'm gonna get one

693
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: of them. I don't know, man, I just that takes

694
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: away a lot of the excitement for me, you know, personally,

695
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: And I know some guys just love that, not taking

696
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: it away. But I do feel like I do feel

697
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: like I personally do this right or wrong. I put

698
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: hunters and categories, and I'm not saying one is better

699
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: than the other, but I relate to one much more

700
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: than the other. Um. You know, I don't think I'll

701
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: ever relate well to like the deer manager and you know,

702
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: growing big Bucks and and naming the big books, and

703
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like every year those guys

704
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: shoot the buck there after every single year, you know

705
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like I don't know. It's just

706
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know. It's like I don't want that.

707
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I want to fail, man. I want to I want

708
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: to be able to shoot. I want to have to

709
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: shoot my number two sometimes. You know, well, I mean

710
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: it's just different strokes, man. And you know one of

711
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: the things that you said earlier that I think, you know,

712
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: I think it's worth acknowledging that. You know, people go

713
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: out there for different reasons. Like a lot of people

714
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: they don't want to challenge themselves hunting. They want to

715
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: go have fun and they don't want to work that hard,

716
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: and that's cool, like do whatever. But what you mentioned

717
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: about big woods and now talking about down south, which

718
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: is kind of just like big woods two point oh.

719
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you're really talking about like

720
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: difficulty level and people who kind of just by default

721
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: of their situation have to become woodsman, like have to

722
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: develop real woodsmanship big woods man when you take out

723
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of destination food sources and and broken

724
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: tracts of timber where there's you know, high likelihood the

725
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: deer lived there, because that's the only cover you get

726
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: into a different world. And you know, some people have

727
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: no desire to go experience that, and some people they

728
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: look at that and go, I have never killed a

729
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: big buck there, and I got to figure that out.

730
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: And I've you know, I have two things. I've talked

731
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: about this a million times. You know, I'm obsessed with

732
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin because it kicks my ass so much. It's

733
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: set me. When I started hunting over there, I was

734
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 1: doing pretty well in other places, like I felt really

735
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: good about certain places I was hunting, and there I

736
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: felt like I was starting at twelve years old again

737
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: where I'm like, man, I'd be so happy if a

738
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: forky walk down the trail right now, because I'm getting

739
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: freaking smoked here. And eventually, you know, you kill some

740
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: deer and you move up and move up, and I'm

741
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: at the stage where I can find the big ones

742
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: and I can see the big ones, but I have

743
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: yet to freaking shoot one, and it drives me nuts,

744
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: but I love it, like it keeps me coming back

745
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: because I know when I go over there, like there's

746
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it's almost a guarantee I'm going to fail in

747
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: regards to filling a tag, Like it's just almost guarantee.

748
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: And there there's another environment that I keep looking at.

749
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, you know that I love pheasant hunting and

750
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I love training dogs, and I'm obsessed with late season roosters,

751
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: like it's one of my favorite things to do. So

752
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: I spend a pile of time in the cat tails

753
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: in December and January in different states, and I keep

754
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: jumping great big bucks out of the cat tails, and

755
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: I keep talking about this and I'm like, I gotta

756
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: go figure that out, and it's gonna be like a

757
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: for me. It's gonna be like a poor man's version

758
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: of going to Kansas or something, because it's going to

759
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: be more of a kind of a spot stocky, glassy

760
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: type of you know, you know, there's not very many

761
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: trees in any one of these places that you're at,

762
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: but that's why they're in the cattails partially. But that environment,

763
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: it's it's got the deer. It's just gonna be insanely

764
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: challenging as far as setups and approach and playing the wind.

765
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: But I just I love that there's like options like

766
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: that out there for public land hunters, Like anybody could

767
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: go into these places where we're shooting roosters and be

768
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: around you know, bucks, like beyond the same property as them.

769
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: And I just I think that that's like incredible, Like

770
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible that we have that option out

771
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: there in so many places. Mm hmm. You know, uh,

772
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: your your story about Wisconsin, that just says a lot

773
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: about you. I mean it says that you know, you

774
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: and I are aligned a lot. You know. I'm sure

775
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: you go to your old favorites sometimes and you know

776
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: where you've had some success before because you always want

777
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: to build on that. You know, you can always learn

778
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: more about an area and get better, and that's that's

779
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: part of you know, improving as a hunter as well. Um.

780
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: But the fact that you keep going back and just

781
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: getting your your ass kicked, Uh, you know that just

782
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: shows right there. Man. It's like you're you're addicted to

783
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: the challenge. You're addicted to learning. It's like you're not

784
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna quit until you see what you're setting out to do,

785
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: which is kill a good buck in northern Wisconsin. So yeah, man,

786
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we need. That we need. We

787
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: need more of that, We need more of that that

788
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: mindset I think. Um, you know, I see like it

789
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: seems like this past two or three years, Um, there's

790
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: been such this huge shift in technology. I mean technology

791
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: has always been improving, right, Um, But like man, the

792
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: last two or three years, you know, we got we

793
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: got across bow that just came out that shoots five second,

794
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: it shoots, it shoots three inch groups at a hundred

795
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: and thirty yards. So now that gun is outperforming the

796
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: old smooth bore shotguns. It's performing, oh yeah, performing equal

797
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: to a rifle barrel slug um, you know, And and

798
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: guys are buying them up like crazy. You know what

799
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: I mean, and I just do not like the way

800
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: that's going. It's you know, I feel like again what

801
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, So this guys are looking for

802
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: easier ways to achieved success, you know, the cell camera thing.

803
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: You know. I'm still I'm still on the fence of

804
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: all that. Um, I don't know that they should be legal.

805
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not willing to say that out right yet,

806
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: but like, how many guys do you know that run?

807
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: A dozen of them? Twenty of them and all they

808
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: do is just take that real time information and based

809
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: all their decisions on that. I mean, there's there's some

810
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: really good hunters that are you know, famous hunters that are, um,

811
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing, and they the bucks that they

812
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: killed this year are a direct result of real time photo.

813
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: They decided to go to that spot at that day

814
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: and then they killed that book, you know what I mean. Like,

815
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't know where do we draw the line of

816
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: fair chase. That's I'm not trying to tell anybody what

817
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: that line is, but it's you should be thinking about that.

818
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: You should be thinking about that and draw your own line.

819
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: You know. Eventually, it feels like because we're we're already

820
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: seeing it. We're already seeing it out west because guys

821
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: are killing way more efficiently now with caryl cameras, way

822
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: more efficiently, with cell cameras, way more efficiently with you know,

823
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: range finding sites and rifles that shoot over a thousand yards,

824
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: and it's decreasing the resource to the point that it's

825
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: decreasing opportunity for the everyday hunter. Okay, it's already happening

826
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: out there. It's happening here too. We're doing the same

827
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: thing here. We're not seeing it quite as fast out

828
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: there because there's a ton of white tail, But eventually

829
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna become so efficient at you know, essentially,

830
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: we're what are we doing. We're conducting surveillance and then assassinating,

831
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're not hunting anything down

832
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: We're conducting surveillance from our home, from our couch with

833
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: our phone, and then we're going in when we know

834
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: they're there, and we're shooting them and and I don't know, man,

835
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: it's just it feels yucky, it feels dirty. It certainly

836
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: isn't the way I think things should be going. Um,

837
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't want to. I

838
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: don't want to crap on people that are doing that.

839
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, this is why

840
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: this conversation needs to happen, and we need to keep

841
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: that mentality of being a woodsman and and and keeping

842
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: things somewhat traditional um alive, you know. And I'm a

843
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: hypocrite man. I'm using a com pombo um, I'm using

844
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: arrange fine um, using trail cameras. You know, I'm getting

845
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: information too. I might not be getting real time information,

846
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: but I'm getting information. I'm focusing where I get those

847
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: big buck pictures. So hey, I'm guilty. You know, I'm guilty,

848
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about it. And uh, you know I

849
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: think that's important. Well, I do too, and I you know,

850
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm I get I'm torn on this stuff because I

851
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: don't like being told what to do, you know. But

852
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, I look at you know, the

853
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: cell cell cameras and and some of the things that

854
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: are going on, and I go, how does this look

855
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: to the non hunting public, because I'm concerned about that, Like,

856
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same the same issue with baiting, right,

857
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: Like people get super fired up about baiting, and I

858
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: look at that and I go, Okay, how does this

859
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: look to the non hunters, because they're going to decide

860
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: our fate. That's where I get nervous. You know, like personally,

861
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to use a cell camera, I really

862
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: don't care. Like I own some, I don't think they

863
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: helped me out of a bunch. I don't use them

864
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: for most of my hunts. But I'm kind of like, whatever,

865
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think we'll go retro on some of

866
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: that stuff and eventually it'll get I don't I don't

867
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: think some cell camera's gonna be allowed in in season

868
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of states. I think that's coming eventually,

869
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: but you know, we're not there yet. But I just

870
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I look at this and I go, man, you know,

871
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: we sit in a you know, like a manufactured box

872
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: over you know, food we planted for the deer with

873
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: cell cameras, and you know, it's like I get a

874
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: little a little wiggy about it because I know if

875
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: I had to explain that to a non hunter who

876
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: was just sort of ambivalent, right like, I don't care

877
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: if you hunted, you know, as long as you eat them,

878
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship. But then all of a sudden,

879
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: you're like, well, this is how I do it, Like,

880
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: here's all the advantages I'm giving myself. Now, I worry

881
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: about where that takes us, you know, and people. We

882
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: we talk about this a lot, right like with with

883
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: social media and uh, you know, showing some of the

884
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: things we probably shouldn't be showing spine shots or or

885
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, celebrating gut shots or whatever. You know, Like

886
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: there's you name it, there's things out there, and I

887
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if there's an option for us

888
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: to police ourselves on this stuff. I wish, I wish

889
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: it felt feasible because I think we should. But I

890
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: think somebody else is gonna end up policing us on

891
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, and it's it's probably not gonna

892
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: work out very well for us. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah,

893
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean there's there's a lot out there

894
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: that a lot out there on you know, for the

895
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: world to see that certainly doesn't look great, you know,

896
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: to to the people that are on the outside looking

897
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: in that that are non hunters. Um, I don't know.

898
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think I've heard conversations about it, you know, recently,

899
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: especially with the you know, the recent I'm sure you're

900
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: aware of that. You know, the article that came out

901
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: that creates created that big stir about social media. You know,

902
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: there's conversation sans um being made and I think podcasts

903
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like this conversations are just making people more aware. So

904
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: hopefully we start doing a better job of that. Um.

905
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, we always need to think of that. We

906
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: always need to think about how, you know, how things

907
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: are portrayed too, you know, people outside of hunting, and

908
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of social media is you're worrying

909
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: about how it's portrayed to people in honey, you know,

910
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and not always portraying things and the way they actually

911
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: happened and you know, how the animals taken and where

912
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: it was taken and so on and so forth. So

913
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I'm not a prolific poster,

914
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't. But when I do post things,

915
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: I try to share my story. I try to always

916
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: talk about the hunt a little bit so that you know,

917
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: those guys out there that are maybe looking to me,

918
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, looking at me to to to learn a

919
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit from. I always try to post a little

920
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: it about that out there and uh, you know, try

921
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: to keep it you know, respectful and and not not

922
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: about me, Like I don't you know, I don't want

923
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: it to be about me. You know, I wanted to

924
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: be about the hunt, the decision making it took. Um,

925
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: you know the shot that I made, you know that

926
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: was difficult. Uh. The animal what he did, what he

927
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: did that was unique to you know, compared to some

928
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: of the other animals I hunted. Like I I try

929
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: to talk about some of that stuff, you know in

930
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: my post. So I don't know, I try to be

931
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: mindful of it. Um, I'm sure we all can do better. Um,

932
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: but it's good. It's good we're talking about it. Well. Yeah,

933
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: and you know the social media thing, it's like people

934
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: act surprised that it's mostly bullshit and there's a lot

935
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: of people out there trying to be famous and get attention.

936
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: Like I mean, we've this is this is just the

937
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: new wave. And like, I don't want this to sound

938
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: worse than it is, but when I see these arguments,

939
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we've had TV hunters since we've had

940
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: outdoor to like, this is just the new wave, it's

941
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: the new medium. We had it. I'm sure, you know,

942
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: pre Sportsman channeling Outdoor Channel when magazines were burning really,

943
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: really hot. I mean I heard stories about it, like

944
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: when I got into the industry that editors and writers

945
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 1: were like the superstars of the hunting industry. And I'm

946
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: sure some of them were self serving assholes who did

947
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: not portray us very well. And then we got TV

948
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: and there was an there was an opportunity to buy

949
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: your way into you know, buy your air time, you

950
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: can put your show on there. We still do that,

951
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: Like this stuff's always existed, and I am glad that

952
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: these conversations are are happening, Like I'm glad the general

953
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: hunting population is more aware of this and they're questioning,

954
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: like what are the motives, like who should we be supporting.

955
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I love that stuff because I think I think we

956
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: do kind of got to cleanse ourselves a little bit.

957
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Like I think like people on my side have to

958
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: be kept in check, and like we have to be

959
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: aware like what's the audience think? And at the same time,

960
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: I think the audience needs to understand like what's going

961
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: into some of this stuff, you know, like you always

962
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: here the and I swore I wouldn't get into this

963
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: because I don't want to get fired, But let's do it. Anyway. Um,

964
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: you always hear the complaint of like this influencer did this,

965
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: or he's such a whole or she is just pushing

966
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: these products. And I sit here and I go this,

967
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, they're culpable. But you have no idea

968
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: the deliverables that are in those contracts and coming from

969
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: these manufacturers and these media companies in between these pr companies.

970
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: This stuff's muddy. There's a lot of people with their

971
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: hands in the cookie jar. There's one target that's your

972
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: quote unquote influencer, that's your target, but you don't know

973
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: who's behind the scenes making this stuff happening. And I

974
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: promise you, if you buy a bow, or you buy

975
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: a camera, or you buy a release, or you buy

976
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: a grunt tube or whatever, you're supporting companies that are

977
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: pushing this social media thing hard and they're building in

978
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: deliverables to make these people turn into bigger horrors. And

979
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, hey, they don't have to do it, like

980
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I get it. Like they could walk away and they

981
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: could go be plumbers, they could go do something else,

982
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: but that's their job, and that's the situation they get into.

983
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: And it's a creep thing. Like nobody gets in there,

984
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, I want to just be a blatant,

985
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: freaking used cars salesman, right, but it over time, we're

986
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna ask more and more of you for less money

987
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: or to maintain this style of living. And so it's

988
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: it's a muddy it's a difficult topic. And a lot

989
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: of these these a lot of the things that are

990
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes really don't make it into

991
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: the general conversation. And that's like, no matter how much

992
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: I agree with some of these loud voices, I'm like,

993
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: you don't really know the scope of this problem, like

994
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: how deep it really runs? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know,

995
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm not trying to you know,

996
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: crap on social media. I mean, we there's certainly a

997
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of positives that come from it, you know what

998
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean. We're reaching we're reaching a lot of non

999
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: hunters through social media, you know, some of these some

1000
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: of the biggest voices out there certainly are and gaining

1001
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: getting more people involved, which you know is a good thing,

1002
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: you know. Um, so you know, and it's for me,

1003
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: like I always think, like, you know, I don't know

1004
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: about you, but like like before the internet, you know,

1005
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're from Minnesota, right, Yeah,

1006
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: they have like a like a deer and turkey show

1007
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: like once a year, you know. Okay, so Michigan has

1008
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: when they call the Michigan Deer and Turkey Spectacular or

1009
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: something at least that was the old name, you know.

1010
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: And we'd go and it was like everybody is so

1011
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: pumped to go, and they had this wall full of

1012
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: bucks that were killed that year, and everybody's doing it

1013
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: on and everybody has their little photo album, you know,

1014
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: off their deer that they got this year, like oh man,

1015
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: I got this dough and I got this six point,

1016
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: look at this ten point and you know, the the

1017
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: the pride you know of being successful and working hard

1018
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: at something and wanting to share that. I think that's

1019
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: so important. Like, I think that is a very important thing.

1020
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: It's a very natural thing. I don't think anyone needs

1021
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to feel guilty about doing that, like I think it

1022
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: we need to do that. You know, that's happened since

1023
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: like the beginning of time, you know, sharing the hunt

1024
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: and sharing photos and so you know, it certainly gives

1025
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: us a great opportunity to do that. And that's the

1026
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: way I look at it. But when I use you know,

1027
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: social media. Um, but yeah, they you know, there's a

1028
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: lot out there that's it's it's not about that, it's

1029
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: about you know, look at me and you know I'm

1030
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: going on tent outfitted hunts a year and I you know,

1031
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: whack another big one. And there's a lot of self

1032
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: promoting and that's you know, that's kind of the side

1033
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: that I think people are starting to take a look

1034
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: at and and not really love that side as much.

1035
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, I don't I don't

1036
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: want to dig too far into it. But you know,

1037
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: I have my I have my opinions, and you know,

1038
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: other people have theirs, and I don't you know, necessarily

1039
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: think minor the right way. It's just mine, you know.

1040
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: I just I just think we're gonna move on here

1041
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: in a second. I just think it's it's really easy

1042
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: to sort of fall in love with an idea around this,

1043
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: Like if you if you could give me a magic

1044
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: wand and I could wave it in social media, be

1045
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: gone forever. I would do that in a heartbeat. But

1046
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it to save hunting. I would do

1047
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: it because I do not think it's good for us

1048
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: like just generally I think it's a net loss. But

1049
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: that's not the world we live in. Like, that's nobody's

1050
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: haying to me that one that ship is not gonna happen.

1051
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: So we have to operate under the world. Okay, Like,

1052
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: what do we do now that we know this is

1053
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: here and this is a big part of people's business

1054
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: model and you know, all these companies are using this

1055
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: like this, how do we go from here knowing that

1056
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: it's not just going to go away and knowing that

1057
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: people aren't gonna stop, and it's not an easy thing

1058
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: to fix, uh, you know. And and the other thing too,

1059
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: like that you mentioned. You know, I kind of look

1060
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: at that and I go, man, I don't know if

1061
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: you if you work hard and you kill a big

1062
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: buck and you put a photo up, I'm like, I

1063
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of think you should be proud of that, you

1064
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I don't necessarily think we

1065
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: should be taking pictures of every uh every time you know,

1066
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: we benched to five and we want to show off

1067
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: a couple of plates on there or whatever. You know, Like,

1068
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think we need to be doing that.

1069
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: But if you do something, you know that you're proud

1070
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: of I don't know, man, like we like you said,

1071
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, when we used to walk into the archery

1072
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: shop when I was twelve years old, there was all

1073
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: kinds of pictures tacked up there that people printed out

1074
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: of animals they were and you know, you weren't like,

1075
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: oh this guy's an asshole. You know, you'd be like,

1076
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, this dude killed a great buck, you know.

1077
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so it's a different world now, and

1078
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't really know where to go with it, and

1079
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: I I love some small parts of it, like I

1080
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: love the inspiration part, and like you people can say

1081
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: like that doesn't exist, but that's bullshit. Man, I know

1082
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: that you you experienced this. I'm sure you do. Where

1083
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I've had so many people where if I've like posted

1084
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: a buck I killed on public land or did an

1085
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: article on it or talked about it on a podcast,

1086
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: I've had people be like I cannot believe that you

1087
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: did that, Like I can't believe you went out and

1088
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: killed one here, like that's amazing to me. And I'm like,

1089
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't, I don't know what to

1090
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: tell you. Like they're out there, go do it, and

1091
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you hear from people who are like I

1092
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: went on my first trip and it was awesome. I

1093
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: killed or I didn't kill, or I got close or

1094
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: even a turkey hunt or something, And man, I think

1095
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: that's such a positive, Like I think, I think that

1096
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: there's so much good that comes out of an inspiring

1097
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: people to go try this thing. That's such a like

1098
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: a huge part of your life in my life. Yeah, yeah, no,

1099
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: that's it's awesome. And I do I get a I

1100
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: get a lot of you know, obviously for being on

1101
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, your podcast and Kenyan's and you know, a

1102
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of people have come to know who I am, UM,

1103
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a it's a strange feeling for sure. Um,

1104
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: I get a lot of messages, a lot of questions

1105
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: and stuff. And you know, it's cool because I'm happy

1106
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: to help people, UM, and I might not have all

1107
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: the answers, but I'm certainly happy to give them a

1108
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: bit of time because I was that, you know, I

1109
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: was that person at one point that was just asking

1110
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and being annoying and and and

1111
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: trying to you know, trying to email John Eberhart and

1112
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: trying to um, you know, figure out these guys that

1113
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: were in the magazines, like Bobby Worthington and like, you know,

1114
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: trying to find his email so I can ask him

1115
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: some questions and stuff like. So I think it's important

1116
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: to have, you know, to to do that. You know,

1117
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're in that position and

1118
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: and like you are, and like I am, at least

1119
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, to a point where you know, guys are

1120
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of looking at you and and and want to

1121
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: maybe learn some stuff from you. It's I I'm I'm happy,

1122
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm honored to to give some of that information

1123
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: that I've that I've learned and some of my experiences

1124
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: away and uh, and just try to do you just

1125
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: try to kind of feed that in the direction that

1126
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: I really feel strongly that you know, hunting should go,

1127
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's that's kind of

1128
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: what I do. And if I get asked questions that

1129
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: are just kind of you know, in a different the

1130
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: whole whole realm of hunting, like I just I say,

1131
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: I can't, you know, I can't speak on that. I don't.

1132
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know. So it's cool, you know, it's

1133
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a weird feeling. But it's cool. Um,

1134
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's neat to be able to interact with

1135
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: people and talk about that stuff and you feel like

1136
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: you're helping people. And and I'm still doing that. I'm

1137
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: still asking other people questions and and trying to learn

1138
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: as much as I can from from other guys that are,

1139
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, more experienced than me. So it's a good

1140
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: thing and that that's that's one of the positives of

1141
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: social media for sure. Yeah. Um, well, it's just just

1142
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: the new media of podcasts and everything. Um, if anybody's

1143
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: listening to you talk about that and you talking about

1144
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: reaching out to people, and they're like, I don't know

1145
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: if Andy really does that. I I can't here if

1146
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: I said this on this podcast or where I what

1147
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: I was talking on. But when I killed that buck

1148
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: in Iowa last year, you texted me several times about

1149
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: that buck, asking me questions about like the set up

1150
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: I killed him in, And at one point I was like,

1151
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: I think Andy May's thought about this buck more than

1152
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: I have. I'm like, I think this guy is more

1153
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: invested in this deer. And you were you were trying

1154
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: to get to the root of where it was and

1155
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: not not where it was, but like what what what?

1156
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: What did the kill encompass? Like how how did that

1157
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: come together? And it was really interesting to me because

1158
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: you were asking me stuff that I like kind of

1159
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: really didn't even think about. I was like, you know,

1160
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: I went in there and I had found this concentration

1161
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: and jumped the deer and set up and he came

1162
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: back through. But it got me thinking about it on

1163
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: a different level. And that's that is one of the

1164
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: cool things about you know, today's world, Like you can

1165
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: you can really curate content around what you're interested in

1166
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: or what you think you might be interested in, and

1167
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: so often, you know, like on the topic of track

1168
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: laying out of state to hunt white tails, there's there's

1169
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: so many different ways to go about that. You know,

1170
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: you could hire an outfitter and guide do that type

1171
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: of service. You could lease a place, you could tap

1172
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: your network, you could go hunt public land like we do.

1173
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: And then now you can find people not only who

1174
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: are out there doing that and showing you to kind

1175
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: of sign their scouting and the kind of train features

1176
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: are looking for, but you can also watch dudes like

1177
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Zach Farenbout go out there and have a freaking blast

1178
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: doing it and encountering big bucks, and I think I

1179
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: think that kind of like inspiration get your ass off

1180
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: the couch type of thing is probably the most important

1181
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: part about all of this. Now, if you're sitting there

1182
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: at home and you're like, I've never traveled to hunt

1183
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: white tails, and I kind of want to, like, if

1184
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: for no other reason, just look at how how much

1185
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: fun some of these people are having going out and

1186
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: doing this and just go freaking do it. Oh yeah,

1187
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely that's a that If I would have

1188
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: just stayed in Michigan and just you know, had my

1189
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: whole bow hunting you know, career, if that's what you

1190
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: want to call it in Michigan, man, um, I certainly

1191
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: would have. You know, I certainly would have loved it.

1192
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a it's a grind. Here it

1193
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: could be extremely frustrating. But once I started traveling, I realized, like, man,

1194
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: there is so much more to this hunting thing. And

1195
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: I was. I was successful fairly early on here in Michigan,

1196
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: and I kind of, you know, people, people caught it,

1197
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: started catching on that I was killing some big bucks

1198
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: here in Mission because it just doesn't happen that consistently. Um,

1199
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: and you know you're young, you know, you're in your

1200
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: early twenties and people are like, oh man, you you

1201
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: killed a big buck, like you're a good hunter and

1202
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And you know, I'd be down at

1203
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: the Archery League and you know, my pictures are up there,

1204
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: putting my pictures up on the wall and stuff, and

1205
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you think, all right, I'm a big shot.

1206
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, I was young. I was stupid. I thought

1207
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: like him, you know, nobody else that I knew of

1208
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: besides John really was even hurt was killing big bucks

1209
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: in Michigan. It's like I felt pretty good. I felt

1210
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: like I was you know, I felt like I knew something.

1211
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: And then it's like you start traveling out of state,

1212
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: You're like, holy crap, what's what's this stuff? Like what

1213
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: are these giant hills? And where is the cornfield? And

1214
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: where is the you know, the bean fields and all

1215
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: this stuff, and it's like, you know, it was just

1216
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: it just it took my enjoyment of hunting and I

1217
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: it just opened, uh opened up that mindset of holy crap,

1218
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: I got a lot to learn, and I'm gonna I

1219
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: want to learn it. And now it's like I take

1220
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: my I take my Michigan hunting. I take it as

1221
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: a personal challenge every year. It's always the hardest tag

1222
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: for me to fill. It's always the most grind, it's

1223
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: always the most frustrating. It's always the hardest. Like this year,

1224
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have I had so many cameras out and

1225
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have a single buck over And it's like cheese,

1226
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, like so tough. But I take it as

1227
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: a personal challenge every year, like I want to be

1228
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: successful in Michigan. But man, truth be told, I just

1229
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: of that adventure of trying things new, going to new places,

1230
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: going to places where you don't you don't know what

1231
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna get into, what type of train you're gonna see,

1232
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: and what type of situation and find yourself in. And man, yeah,

1233
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: I can't recommend that enough for people, just to kind

1234
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: of keep that fire lit and um, yeah, I don't

1235
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: know that. That's kind of that's become my niche, you know,

1236
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: like a traveling hunter. I certainly try to get it

1237
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: done in my home state. But man, I look forward

1238
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: every year the most just to getting out of here

1239
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: and experience the new things. Yeah, I'm the same way.

1240
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I I like hunting in Minnesota, but I

1241
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: love head out on the road and just and I'm

1242
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: it's it's neat. You know, You've You've mentioned this a

1243
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: couple of times. To me, what's neat is I've I've

1244
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: hunted so many different chunks of public land across a

1245
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: bunch of different states, and I try to hunt someplace

1246
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: new every year, just just be cause you know, I

1247
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: love that part. But you also hit some of those

1248
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: those places or some of those regions or some of

1249
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: those properties where you're like, I just want to go

1250
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: back there and be there, even if the hunting is

1251
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna be really tough, Like western North Dakota is like

1252
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: that for me. I just I can't move on from there.

1253
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: I just I love camping there. I love to smell

1254
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: a sage. I love being around elk and antelope and

1255
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: meal deer while I'm hunting white tails, and I just

1256
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: I love the environment of the whole thing. And I

1257
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: just like, I feel so lucky getting to have that

1258
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: and knowing like every year and you know, at least

1259
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: until they change the tag situation, like I can buy

1260
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: that white tail tag and I can go there and

1261
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: be in that environment, and some years, you know, you

1262
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: kill a great bucks, some years you don't. But it's

1263
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: always like a place where I just go, this is

1264
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 1: always worth my time, Like I never have a bad

1265
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: trip here, like it's always fun. And then you go

1266
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: to some other places and you're like, this could be

1267
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: the next western North Dakota for me, like I don't know,

1268
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: or I could go there and it's like, uh, for

1269
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: whatever reason, this kind of hunting didn't do it for me,

1270
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: or there was more people than I like or something.

1271
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well it still wasn't a bad trip,

1272
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: but I'm not coming back here. I'm gonna find another one.

1273
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a new place. And I think you know,

1274
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: when we talk about like traveling for white tails, the

1275
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: message that I just like I wish people really really

1276
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: understood is there are so many opportunities out there, like

1277
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: it's not and you know, we talk a lot about

1278
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: Iowa and Kansas and some of the big buck states,

1279
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: but doesn't have to be that like that. The opportunities

1280
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: to go have a fun hunt are everywhere, Like you

1281
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: just you just gotta go, like you gotta figure out,

1282
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: like what am I gonna do? And I'm gonna take

1283
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: one this year. I'm just gonna go. Maybe I'll go

1284
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: scout in Turkey season maybe whatever, but just go do

1285
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: one and see what it's all about. And you know,

1286
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: you know how it is, like the people who usually

1287
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: try that, they don't go. It's not a one and

1288
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: done deal. Like you see that in the elk hunting world.

1289
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: You see people who are like, oh I love to

1290
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: go elk hunting. They go one time, they're like screw this,

1291
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: like I'm done white tail, like passionate white tail hunters

1292
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: when across those state lines for that first time and

1293
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: they've got their tent and a buddy, you know, right

1294
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: in the passenger seat, they're going again. Because it's a

1295
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: freaking awesome experience. Oh yeah, I've fallen into. You know.

1296
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: It's what started as a one out of state trip,

1297
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, quickly became too and then it was three

1298
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, next thing, you know, I'm trying

1299
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: to get four or five in and it's like I'm sandwiching,

1300
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm reducing the days per hunt down till

1301
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: two so I can fit more states. And I mean

1302
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: that's how much I enjoy it. Like I'm I'm literally

1303
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: condensing the time away to two or three or four days,

1304
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously my might chance of successes go

1305
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: way down. But I value like hitting all those those

1306
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: new areas so much it's it's worth it to me.

1307
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: But I actually gotta I gotta start backtracking and going

1308
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: the opposite way a little bit because I've I've been

1309
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: trying to do you know, a little too much with

1310
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: two little time. Um. But yeah, man, amen on anything

1311
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: you said like, it's it's awesome. Um, it's something out

1312
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: every year every year, multiple trips, new areas, some of

1313
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: my favorite areas, kind of mix it in and uh,

1314
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: that's just that's just the way I do it. Do

1315
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: you find with your travel schedule because one of the

1316
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: things that blew my mind when I really started hitting

1317
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: the public land hard and traveling three, four or five

1318
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: six states a year, it's just it. I had so

1319
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: many moments where I was like, this thing I thought

1320
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: about white tails or white tail hunting wasn't true. This

1321
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: thing that I believed is not true. And you see this,

1322
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, you see this with moon phase, weather conditions,

1323
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: hunting pressure, you know, the caliber of deer here, the

1324
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: quantity of deer there. You see this with so many

1325
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: different aspects of white tail hunting. And when I started

1326
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: traveling more and I was like, well, that's b US,

1327
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: that's b S, that's b S. Like I just realized

1328
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: that we we believe a lot of stuff that's just

1329
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: not true. And when you go hunt in a place

1330
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: out of state and you're like, I got four days

1331
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 1: to get this done or five days, and it might

1332
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: not be the ideal rot time, it might be mid

1333
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: October something like that, and you get out there you

1334
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: realize like, man, there's there's deer out here. They're moving,

1335
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: they're laying down sign they're giving me my chance. Now

1336
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: I just gotta put in my time. Then you start

1337
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: to have great hunts when you're not supposed to and

1338
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: where you're not supposed to, and you go it's like

1339
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: it's it's like a door opens for you and you

1340
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: just realize that I can go anywhere probably and have

1341
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: a pretty decent hunt. Yeah. I think I think the

1342
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: main thing to me that was, you know, and I

1343
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: realized this very quickly, probably my first out of state trip.

1344
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you hear you read in the magazines,

1345
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, you hear this this expert talking about this

1346
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: and this is what dear do and you know, blah

1347
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: blah blah, and they kind of lay it out there.

1348
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: And what I quickly realized this is like, man, deer

1349
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: are very different in different areas, different states, Um, they

1350
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: behave very different um. You know. I feel like, I mean,

1351
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: some of the fundamental information out there always rings true,

1352
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, bed to feed that sort of thing, right,

1353
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But like you mentioned as far as like, um,

1354
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: what they tolerate, how far they move, um, you know

1355
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: during certain times a year vary so differently. Um, you know,

1356
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: from state to state and even from you know, sometimes

1357
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: property to property. Like what they eat, you know, what

1358
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: they feed on. You know, you start going out of

1359
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: state and they start eating this stuff and you have

1360
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: no idea what it is. You know, I'm just like

1361
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure what it is, but they're

1362
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: eating it. Um, you know, so is it? For me,

1363
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: that was probably the biggest eye opening thing. Like a

1364
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: lot of the a lot of what I read sounded

1365
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: so concrete, like this is what dear dow and this

1366
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: is what mature bucks do and blah blahla, and it

1367
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: was just like and everywhere I go, it's a it's

1368
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: a little different. You know. I founded states where I've

1369
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: seen deer literally walk like, you know, three quarters of

1370
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: a mile from bed to feed, you know what I mean,

1371
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: like a long long ways and you know in Michigan,

1372
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: I can't sometimes I can't get a deer to do

1373
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, seventy five yards from his you know, from

1374
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: his bed before dark. Um, you know what I mean.

1375
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's just it's so different. And that's what

1376
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: makes it so cool and so interesting is just you

1377
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: get thrown into a new situation. Things are happening different,

1378
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: Like you didn't you know, you didn't expect you know,

1379
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden, you go out of state,

1380
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: you can start calling deer in or you know, you're

1381
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: in a situation where you can maybe do throw up

1382
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: a decoy, or you can you know, do a little

1383
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: spot in stalk. It's just it's just all different. Um.

1384
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: You're constantly learning, um, new situations, new scenarios, and I

1385
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I just I just eat it up.

1386
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: Well that's I talked to Casey about that because he's

1387
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: obsessed with like hunting Kansas, where you can you know,

1388
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: you've got a legitimate chance of bed and one down

1389
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: and crawling up him, and we just kind of got

1390
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: on the topic of you know, if you if you

1391
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: live in you know, east of the Mississippi, the odds

1392
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: of watching lots of deer like or let me say this,

1393
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 1: the odds of watching lots of mature bucks bed down

1394
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: and see what they do throughout the day is really low.

1395
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: Like you might go a decade and not see a

1396
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: dear bed down, let alone a mature buck. And when

1397
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: you get to some of these western states or some

1398
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: of these more open states, you actually get to watch

1399
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: that dear behavior that you're only just filling in the

1400
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: blanks with at home because you don't get to see it,

1401
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: and you get to see how they react, you know

1402
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: he was talking about in like high wind, and how

1403
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: they'll stand up and look around. Sometimes they don't go anywhere.

1404
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: They're just like I'm just gonna check out and make

1405
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: sure no coyotes or anything got too close to me.

1406
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: And you get to observe this buck behavior in a

1407
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: way that's just you're only gonna get it in certain situations.

1408
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: But as a hunter, watching one thing like that happen

1409
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: one morning, where you watch a buck just do his

1410
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: thing for forty five minutes or an hour, You've you've

1411
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: leveled up that's in some way from that encounter so much.

1412
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: And you know, like that's that's something like it's so

1413
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: incredible that that opportunity is out there. Like if you

1414
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: if you're a big woods hunter somewhere, you can go

1415
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: hunt one of these states. Some of them are over

1416
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: the counter, you know, some of them you got to apply,

1417
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: but you could get yourself in a situation where you

1418
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: could watch more mature bucks do their thing. It might

1419
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: be through a spot or a half a mile or

1420
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: a mile away, but you're still in person observing these

1421
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: dear do these things. That's incredible to witness and you're

1422
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: not getting that at home. Yeah, it's funny you bring

1423
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: that up. My buddy justin right, phenomenal hunter maybe you know,

1424
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: probably one of the best that I that I know of,

1425
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion. We were just talking yesterday and uh,

1426
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: you know we're doing the SOB story and winding about

1427
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: our home states. Um, and uh you know we're talking

1428
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: about how a good friend of ours, you know, lives

1429
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: resides in Iowa and he's he's a phenomenal hunter too,

1430
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 1: kills some really good deer I'm publicly and he's a

1431
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: a true woodsman UM. And we were talking about how

1432
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: he gets to experience and see so many more mature

1433
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: animals than we get to like at home, Like he

1434
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: gets to observe and learn um by actually observing all

1435
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: these older age class books because of where he lives.

1436
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: And it's like such a cool Um, it's such a

1437
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: cool learning experience and advantage, you know, to be able

1438
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: to observe that so often where you know, in Michigan,

1439
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: I I might I might see a mature buck once

1440
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: a season, you know, and just some fleeting moment like

1441
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: right before I shoot him or something, you know what

1442
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's it's it is. It's it's different

1443
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: in every area. Um. They all have their you know,

1444
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: they're different challenges. UM. But yeah, it's just kind of

1445
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: interesting you said that. We were just talking about that yesterday.

1446
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: But pretty cool stuff. I mean, I think it's important.

1447
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: And I equate a lot of stuff to bird dogs

1448
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: because I'm so I'm so into them and I'm right,

1449
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: I love training them and I'm buddies with some of

1450
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: the freaking best trainers in the world, Like I work

1451
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: with Tom doc and all the time, and that dude

1452
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: can like see into the future with dogs, It's incredible.

1453
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you see with bird

1454
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: dogs is a lot of times, you know, let's say

1455
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: you live in South Dakota. You're like, Okay, I'm gonna

1456
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: get peasant dog. I'm gonna go buy a GSP or

1457
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: a lab or whatever whatever your flavor is, and you

1458
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: I train it and it's gonna hunt pheasants and that

1459
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: dog can be great at that. But if you get

1460
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: a dog that's pretty versatile and you hunt those pheasants,

1461
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: but you're like, you know what, I'm gonna skip down

1462
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: south and I'm gonna hunt quail, and I'm gonna go out,

1463
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move a little farther west. I'm gonna unt

1464
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: those sharpie's and I'm gonna hunt some prairie chickens and

1465
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna spend some time in a duck blind.

1466
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: When you have a dog that does that stuff, especially

1467
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: when you when you're working with them when they're young

1468
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: and they get exposed to those new environments and those

1469
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: public land berds in different places, and you see that

1470
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: confidence level. So you know, going from wild roosters to

1471
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: a covey of quils a different freaking thing, but there's

1472
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: a lot of similar elements, you know, like especially from

1473
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: the dog's perspective, and you just see them and it's

1474
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: like a little it's like a little mirror to what

1475
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: we can do for ourselves, where it's like these dogs,

1476
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, you you drop them off in a new environment,

1477
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing right away, Like you

1478
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: see them learning, like they're figuring ship out, and you

1479
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: get those first contacts and they go, Okay, I'm certain

1480
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see what's going on here. And then

1481
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: you watch it like almost in real time on those

1482
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: trips level up and like we don't think about ourselves

1483
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: that way. But when you get time to go travel

1484
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: to a couple of different states, or you take one

1485
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: state a year, and maybe it's an alcohunt, maybe it's

1486
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: an antelope hunt, you know, maybe it's a white tail whatever,

1487
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself in new environments where you you just

1488
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: you gotta work with what's between your ears, and you're

1489
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna get better. Even if you go and you fail,

1490
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: which probably will the first time. Like you probably not

1491
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna succeed and fill that tag. You might, but what

1492
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna do is become better and when you go back,

1493
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you've seen this, but a

1494
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: lot of times when we my buddies and I will

1495
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: go to a new state, will go and you know,

1496
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: usually somebody will kill right, like you'll somebody will kill something.

1497
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: But it's like the second year you go. If you

1498
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: go back, then it's freaking on and it doesn't happen

1499
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: the way you thought it would a lot of times,

1500
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: but it happens, and it's just like you just got

1501
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: that experience layer leveled in there and you go, Okay,

1502
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: now now it's on. And I just love that we

1503
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: have we have the chance to do that for ourselves,

1504
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: even if you know, like if you're sitting at home,

1505
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I can't go to five states, Like yeah,

1506
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: most people can't, but if you could do one, and

1507
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: you probably can. Like, man, if you really love to hunt,

1508
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: you should probably give it a shot and just see

1509
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: if that's your thing. Oh yeah, absolutely, Um, I mean yeah,

1510
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: nothing will, nothing will make you question what what you

1511
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: really know about hunting and just getting thrown into a

1512
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: whole new world of white tails that you're not experienced with.

1513
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, look what Kenyan got to do this year,

1514
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, with it that that cool project he did

1515
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: where he got to go to all these places, um

1516
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,839
Speaker 1: with all these really good experienced hunters in those places

1517
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: and he got to experience and learn from them and

1518
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: then got to to do it himself. I mean, what

1519
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: an awesome trip. And I know he was stressed out

1520
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: about that, and he was a little worried, you know,

1521
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: about some things. And I was like, man, listen, don't

1522
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: worry about if you kill anything, like you have such

1523
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: a unique opportunity, like something I would give anything to do.

1524
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter if you don't kill anything, Like,

1525
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that experience. You're gonna learn from an

1526
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: expert in that area, are someone that's very very good

1527
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: in that area, and you're gonna learn so much that's

1528
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna make you a better hunter. You're gonna be able

1529
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: to bring that home into Michigan and and apply some

1530
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: of that knowledge. You're gonna you're gonna have confidence to

1531
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: go to any one of those places now. And like

1532
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: you said, you know, now what's your second year. Now

1533
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: you're building on that. Now you're gonna start getting some

1534
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: kills and some opportunities and stuff. It's like and that

1535
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. So I don't know, it

1536
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: was just it's just a really neat idea for for

1537
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: a for a show. And I don't know, I'm super

1538
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: pumped to see that, to be honest with you. But yeah, man,

1539
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: just throwing throwing yourself into all those new situations, um,

1540
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, and and just just building on it, you know,

1541
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: and just and just keep improving. Um, you know. I

1542
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: I'd really like to I really like to see and

1543
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of guys out there that

1544
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: that's that's important to them is just to be actually

1545
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: be a good hunter and to be um, you know,

1546
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: to be to increase and build on that skill set

1547
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: so that they can go to different places and and

1548
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: have some encounters and say some success. I mean there's

1549
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: tons of guys even on social media YouTube. I mean,

1550
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: they're they're traveling. The out of state thing is as

1551
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: big as it's ever been. So that's a good thing,

1552
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think it's only gonna

1553
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, it might be a little more crowded

1554
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: for us, and you know, maybe the quality of bucks

1555
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: goes down with the increased pressure, but whatever, you know

1556
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. I I think it's a good thing. Um,

1557
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: you always gotta adapt and overcome and find new areas.

1558
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: And you know, if if more guys are got out

1559
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: there getting after it and becoming better hunters, and you know,

1560
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: you gotta level up yourself, you know what I mean,

1561
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: you gotta rise above that too to keep to keep

1562
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: getting it done. So just you know, if you're if

1563
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: if anyone can take anything from this, you know, episode

1564
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: is just you know, trying to keep that mindset. I think,

1565
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, keep that mindset of actually trying to improve

1566
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: and trying to become a better hunter, and too, to

1567
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: keep that idea of becoming a better woods been alive.

1568
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: You know, that's something I think is so so important.

1569
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose that, and I don't want

1570
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: to quit. I don't want to quit talking about the

1571
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: guys that came before us that did that. Um, you know,

1572
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: those are the you know, the true legends of hunting,

1573
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: and those are the guys that kind of paved that

1574
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: that way. And uh, I don't know, I I I

1575
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: certainly hope that I'm I'm I'm improving to the point

1576
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: where you know, I we'll feel that I'm you know, well,

1577
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: I'll feel like I'm a good woodman, you know what

1578
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, you know when I'm when it's

1579
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: all said and done, I want to have that feeling

1580
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: like that I became the best hunter that I could

1581
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: be and I didn't just try to be successful. I

1582
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: didn't try to buy it. I didn't try to get

1583
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: it through technology. I didn't try to get it by

1584
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: securing a bunch of land. Um. That's important to me. Um.

1585
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: And I know everything everything hunting could be completely different,

1586
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: why they hunt and what makes them happy for every guy.

1587
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to steer everybody down this path,

1588
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: absolutely not. But I hope this this idea of of

1589
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: keeping the woodsmanship alive, you know, I hope that. Uh,

1590
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: I hope that lasts. You know what I mean, I

1591
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: really do. I think that's important. I think this is

1592
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: a good conversation to have. I do too. Man, we

1593
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up here in just a second, but

1594
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something. So we we filmed

1595
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: this one week in November series that's up on YouTube now,

1596
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: and I think it was the fifth day. I had

1597
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: a I had a wild day. So I had like

1598
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty inch of running in the morning,

1599
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: he went by me at fifteen yards. I couldn't shoot

1600
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: because my cameraman wasn't ready watered. At twenty yards, I

1601
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: had this buck within thirty four yards of me for

1602
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: seven and a half minutes on the on the video,

1603
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: it's only like a twenty second encounter or something, but

1604
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: it was a long encounter, right, And I drew on

1605
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: that buck four times he got He made every decision

1606
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: that buck made was perfect, Like he just instead of

1607
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: just walking down the easy trail, he cut into the

1608
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: brush at one point, and he just took an extra

1609
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: five yards on his row and finally got down wind

1610
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: of us. But that deer was like he just he

1611
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: made every freaking choice correctly. So I lost that deer

1612
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: and super bummed. That afternoon, had a nice buck come

1613
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: in chasing does just flat out and missed him, rushed

1614
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: my shot, and so I had that happen. And then

1615
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: as it got dark, we ran out of camera light

1616
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: and like a hundred and seventy five deer came out

1617
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: and this is this is and I say that specifically

1618
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at this buck from like seventy yards

1619
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: away through my binoculars. And my first impression is one eight.

1620
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: And then my buddy saw him later and so I

1621
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: was like, I think that deer is like a he's

1622
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: a monster. And my buddy said his first impression when

1623
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: he saw him in person, he's like, I don't know,

1624
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: hud popped into my head. So that's what we're going with.

1625
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: But that deer chase the dough into bow or rage.

1626
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: It was still legal shooting light, but no camera light left.

1627
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: And I had watching that show. I watched it with

1628
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: my daughters when it would come out every Tuesday, and

1629
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: just watching that show, I just had like it brought

1630
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: back this feeling that day, even though I had an

1631
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: amazing day encounterwise, I felt like I just did not

1632
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 1: know what I was doing, like you know, like I

1633
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: was just like I can't get this right and even

1634
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: know how it hurts, like it hurts when you blank,

1635
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: but it really hurts when you're like right there there,

1636
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: right there and they get away and then to have

1637
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: three bucks do that. And one day I felt like

1638
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 1: I should not have been hunting, like I felt like

1639
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. When was the

1640
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: last time where you just had a moment where you're

1641
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: out there and you're like, do I even know what

1642
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: the hell I'm doing? Like, when was the last time

1643
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: you wanted to throw that bow away and pick up

1644
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: golf clubs? Let me ask you that. UM. All last year, ironically,

1645
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: all last year, I felt like I was flown drink.

1646
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is I killed four bucks this year.

1647
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: I killed four bucks last year. This year I felt

1648
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: dialed in. I felt dialed in. I was super confident.

1649
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: UM had the same success both years. Last year I

1650
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: could not get anything going. I never scouted so hard

1651
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: and searched so far, four different counties for a shooter

1652
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: in Michigan. I could not turn anything up. UM, I

1653
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: just felt I felt like I didn't know what I

1654
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: was doing. I was talking to my buddy Justin right

1655
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: about I was like, I have never had a season

1656
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: where I felt more unconfident and like I didn't know

1657
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 1: what I was doing then right now. But you know

1658
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: I had four days, four days where things went right

1659
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: and I made the shot and got an animal down.

1660
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: This year, it's like I was really dialed in with things.

1661
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, I was reading signed, I was getting on

1662
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: a book, shot him, you know what I mean. And

1663
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 1: I go out to go out of state, I have

1664
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,799
Speaker 1: a game plan, you know, get up high glass glass

1665
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: on a I now look for a shooter. Boom, got

1666
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: one made a stock shot him. You know. I mean

1667
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: things were like clicking and the confidence was at all

1668
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: time high. So yeah, man, it happens to me all

1669
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: the time, Like my confidence level is up and down

1670
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: and up and down. But what I've learned is just like, man,

1671
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know at all, Like I'm I'm not I'm

1672
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: not a deer hunting expert, you know what I mean.

1673
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that loves it. I'm a guy that

1674
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: UM has spent a lot of time. I dedicated a

1675
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:30,879
Speaker 1: huge portion of my life to hunting UM and always

1676
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: with that mindset to learn as much as I can

1677
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: and to keep improving. And uh, I've learned that. You know,

1678
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: my seasons are gonna go like this, My mental toughness

1679
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: and confidence is gonna go like this. I'm gonna get

1680
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: thrown in some situations where I'm just gonna be like,

1681
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, like are there even any deer around? Like

1682
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I can't get on anything? And then you know what,

1683
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: you just you just keep at it, You keep following

1684
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: your instinct, You keep making those decisions that you've you know,

1685
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: those instinctual decisions that you've developed over the years, through

1686
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: all this experience, and then all of a sudden things

1687
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: start to happen. You start to get in them, or

1688
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: you make that right stand choice and boom, here he comes.

1689
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: And you know, it happens to me all the time,

1690
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 1: So I I I mean, people might have an impression

1691
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: that I'm like confident and a hundred percent dialed in

1692
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: on each and every hunt. Well that couldn't be further

1693
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: from the truth. I mean, it happens to me all

1694
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: the time. So but I've learned to ride the wave.

1695
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I've learned to trust my instinct and trust my decisions.

1696
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be hunts and seasons and situations where

1697
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I just make the wrong call and I can't get

1698
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: anything going. But you kind of have to weed through

1699
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: that sometimes to get to those good moments where the

1700
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: instincts take instincts take over and you get it done. Well,

1701
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: that's that's sort of a dirty little secret about why

1702
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, had not a state to hunt white tales.

1703
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: Is can be so beneficial? Is you feel really guilty

1704
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: if you're not getting after it. You know, if you

1705
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: at home and you're kind of in a slump and

1706
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not gonna go sit tonight. I don't

1707
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: think it's it's easy to talk yourself out of it

1708
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. You know, if you've bought

1709
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: that over the counter, or you know, you brought that

1710
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: nonresident license and you've taken that time off of work

1711
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: and you've bought all the food to go camping and

1712
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah and driven out there. You've got a

1713
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: lot invested in that you've told everybody you're going, like

1714
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: you you don't want to come home empty handed, and

1715
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: it kind of teaches you, like this stuff is streaky man.

1716
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: Like you you have times where it's like you are

1717
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: on it, and you have times where you just suck

1718
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: and there's like you just gotta the only way out

1719
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: is through and on a trip, like you're just gonna

1720
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: keep going because you don't have a choice, like your

1721
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: you do have a choice, but you're not gonna give

1722
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: yourself that choice. You're like, I'm just gonna keep hunting,

1723
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: Like you know. A prime example would be like you know,

1724
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: if you and I know you've done this, but if

1725
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: you go on a spot stock hunt, like let's say

1726
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna go spot and stock antelope, like, man, you

1727
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: want to feel like you shouldn't be carrying a bow around,

1728
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: go try to call up on some and or crawl

1729
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: up on some antelope out there, because you'll get your

1730
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: ass kicked most of the time. But they live out

1731
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: in the wide open. They let you see them all

1732
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: day long, and it's like, well, I'll just keep I'll

1733
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: find the next one, and I'll find the next one.

1734
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: And then once in a while you get that buck

1735
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: that beds down, or that that one that just just

1736
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: puts himself in a position where you're like, all of

1737
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, you look up and you're like, oh my god,

1738
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm forty three yards away. He's clueless. And you got

1739
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: into the guard after just getting smoked for ten stocks

1740
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: in a row, and you just realize like, okay, like

1741
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: this was just a numbers game, Like I just had

1742
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,560
Speaker 1: to stick through it. But it's it's hard, and I

1743
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: think I think that's one of the things in the

1744
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: hunting industry we haven't done a very good job of

1745
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: because it's not as sexy as killing a big one.

1746
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: It's just talking about how often it really sucks, and

1747
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: it's really not going your way because it happens. I mean,

1748
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: I've had streaks. I've talked about this before, like in

1749
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: in the big Woods up in northern Wisconsin where I'm

1750
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: trying to kill a doe and I haven't seen a

1751
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: deer in three weeks. You know, I'm not hunting twenty

1752
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: one days in a row, but you know, I'm putting

1753
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: in days every week, and I'm like, i can't even

1754
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: see one, let alone shoot one. And I'm talking any

1755
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: antler list dear let alone bucks. And then every once

1756
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: in a while, it breaks loose if you stick with it,

1757
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: or you get into that situation where your mojo changes

1758
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm gonna try this new spot, and

1759
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: the sign is there, and you set up and now

1760
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: you observe something and you're like, oh, they're crossing down there,

1761
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: They're they're following this soft edge. Now you get into

1762
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 1: something and you're you're back in it just by sticking

1763
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I guess

1764
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: I have a I have a bit of a reputation

1765
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 1: of going on these short hunts right because of my

1766
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: my job and I don't have vacation time and getting

1767
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: it done in a short period. And you know I've

1768
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: done that. I've done that a lot, But I I'm

1769
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 1: not so naive to think that I can go anywhere

1770
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: and do that. Um. There are places, um, like you mentioned, UM,

1771
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: there's places UM in the south, there's places northern Wisconsin, uh,

1772
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: southern Ohio. There's there's tons of places where I know

1773
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: that I would not be able to go in two

1774
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: to four days and get it done consistently. UM. Just

1775
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: the dear density that the difficulty of the trained, the

1776
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:36,480
Speaker 1: the ability or the a lack of defined UM destination,

1777
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: food sources and bedding and travel routes and all that

1778
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know, those types of places require

1779
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: more time, you know what I mean. They're harder places.

1780
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: They require more time. That's a place that you know

1781
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: anyone could go and kill one on the first day.

1782
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: But in reality, like, UM, some of my friends go,

1783
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: you know to some of these spots and you know,

1784
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a seven to twelve day

1785
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: uh trip. You know that might be over if you

1786
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: can't do that all in one, it might be over

1787
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: a span of two or three years. But like you know,

1788
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,879
Speaker 1: so a lot of guys I get down on themselves

1789
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: you know about going on these Uh, like I a

1790
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: couple of my friends, you know, guys that are acquaintances,

1791
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: They'll they'll message you like and I don't know how

1792
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 1: you're successful on every out of state hunt you go on,

1793
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: which isn't true, but they say that, and they're like, man,

1794
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I've been on you know, ten and I haven't killed anything.

1795
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, look where you're going,

1796
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're going to spots that

1797
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: are hard. You're you're becoming a better hunter. You're going

1798
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: these areas that are that are you know, more difficult. Um,

1799
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: and you know, you you don't have the also all

1800
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 1: the experience and the time that I've put in yet,

1801
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Like it'll come, you know, it'll come. But you're starting

1802
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: off on some really challenging stuff and that's gonna benefit you.

1803
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta gotta be patient, you gotta

1804
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: put in the time. There's a bigger learning curve in

1805
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: some of these areas, so you know, a lot of

1806
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: guys need to keep that in mind too. Um, you

1807
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: know the Midwest. Um, sometimes I can't have a way

1808
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: of you know, making guys look a little more skilled

1809
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: than they really are. You know, what I mean, And

1810
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not taking away from any Midwest guy. I'm

1811
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: a Midwest guy and I travel a lot to the Midwest,

1812
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: but it's you know, there's more dear, there's more good Bucks,

1813
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: there's more great bucks. Um and uh, usually the train

1814
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 1: is a little bit easier to manage. So you know,

1815
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: those are all considerations, all things to to to think about,

1816
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: you know, when you're evaluating yourself and evaluating what you've done,

1817
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it's we all fall into that. We

1818
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: all fall into that trap of like comparing ourselves to

1819
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: other hunters, and we all know we shouldn't do it,

1820
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,799
Speaker 1: but we all do it. Um, you know. But that's

1821
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: all those are all things to consider, you know what

1822
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean. Just look at it more like there's a

1823
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: guy doing this, you know, and and and what can

1824
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I learn from this guy? You know, he's got a

1825
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: completely different situation, you know. I think about those guys

1826
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: is like from SEQ one. You know, they are killing

1827
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: those giants suburban deer like and I don't have a

1828
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: situation like that. But you can listen to those guys

1829
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: talk like these guys are smart, like these guys are

1830
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: these guys are very They're the best at what they

1831
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: do obviously, and uh, you know, they they throw out

1832
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: a little nuggets when they're talking about it, like, man,

1833
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: that was smart. Yep, that's that's true that he's talks about.

1834
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, Lee and Drew they talked about some of

1835
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: the same stuff I see like here in Michigan, like mature,

1836
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: dear behavior, and I'm like, yeah, man, that's that's uh.

1837
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, there's little pieces to pull from every hunter,

1838
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: every situation. You talk about your Iowa buck when I

1839
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: was asking all those questions, I do that with everybody,

1840
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: Like I want, I need to hear the story because

1841
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: there's something I can learn from it. I love that.

1842
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: I love to hear what you were thinking. I love

1843
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: to hear about the terrain, like what was he doing?

1844
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, what was he just cruising? Was it?

1845
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, what time of year was it, what time

1846
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: of day was it, what was the wind doing? Like

1847
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to decipher through all this info

1848
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 1: because I'm you know, I'm selfishly trying to learn from it,

1849
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 1: like that's a cool experience that you just had. You

1850
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: were successful. I want to pull something that I can

1851
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, put in my uh you know, maybe maybe

1852
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 1: pull into my skill set and and apply down the

1853
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 1: road like I'll you know, as you you know, have

1854
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: some success. You know, you you do your normal thing,

1855
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 1: you send out your text message to all your buddies.

1856
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: There's like a handful of guys that that asked me

1857
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: the story like what what? Why did you do that?

1858
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 1: Why did you sit there? Like what was it? And

1859
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: those are the guys that have that same mindset, you know,

1860
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of my friends just like congrats, you

1861
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But they're missing such a huge

1862
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to to learn something. So I try not to ever,

1863
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, let that opportunity, you know go. When when

1864
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: when you know of a of a hunter, a good hunter,

1865
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: a bad hunter, doesn't matter, just any hunter. You know,

1866
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: if you can get that story and really listen to

1867
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: it and ask some questions, you might even, like you said,

1868
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: you know, you started thinking about some things just by

1869
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: me asking the questions. But that's that's just the way

1870
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: my brain works. I use that as a uh, you know,

1871
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: take me to school, Tony, Like take me to school,

1872
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: tell me about that hunt, like I need to know.

1873
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: I want to know. Well, I love that stuff, and

1874
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: so that buck, I'll just like I know, I said,

1875
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna end this, but we gotta talk about

1876
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: this quick. That buck. I went in there because I

1877
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: thought I had a really good pinch point, even though

1878
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: it was mid October. I was just like I knew

1879
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: there were bucks in the area, you know, and I

1880
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: was like, I think this is gonna be good. I

1881
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: ended up jumping that deer and he ran down the

1882
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: bank of this river basically between where the river is

1883
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: and the bluff is down this chute and the way

1884
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: the wind was and everything. I'm like, I don't know.

1885
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna turn around and come back.

1886
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Like it was a it was a chance sort of

1887
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: fell into my lap thing that I set up for

1888
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: and it just worked. He came back and I shot him.

1889
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: I went back there this spring. I walked the whole

1890
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: freaking place out because I got to thinking about it,

1891
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, like after talking to you, and just like

1892
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really know what was going on there,

1893
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: Like I know what I thought was going on there,

1894
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and I walked in there and I killed a deer

1895
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: and it was awesome, but I'm like, I don't know

1896
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: what he ran to. I don't know what's down the road,

1897
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: like you know, I didn't go down there because when

1898
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: he walked past me, I shot him and he went

1899
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: back the way I came in. So I went and

1900
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,560
Speaker 1: walked that out turkey hunting, just because I'm like, I

1901
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: just want to see it, Like I want to see

1902
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: the tree and I want to see what what I

1903
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: was missing, Like why why was that buck there? Like

1904
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: what's the total picture? And it was so different than

1905
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: I thought, like I had filled in the blanks and

1906
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: just like okay, you know, like I must be pretty

1907
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: damn good. I walked in here and did this, and

1908
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: then I saw what it really was, like the whole

1909
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: place was, and I was like I wasn't even close

1910
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: to the good spots, Like I got lucky I jumped

1911
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: that buck, But I found some real pinch points and

1912
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I found some like a couple of benchy betting area

1913
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: type of situations there where I was like, I thought

1914
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: I had a picture of this spot, and I sure

1915
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: could have sold it as that, But when I went

1916
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: in there and really figured it out, I was like

1917
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 1: I I knew like five percent about this this little area,

1918
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 1: and seeing it in the spring, I was like this,

1919
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: it was just an eye opener to be like, oh,

1920
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: this is actually what was happening there, and I've done that.

1921
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: I killed a buck in Wisconsin, uh, I don't know,

1922
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: two or three years ago in a night where the

1923
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: first year I saw it was like a one sixty.

1924
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: It was it was a monster. I didn't kill him,

1925
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, he came in made a rub. I killed

1926
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: a smaller buck that came through later, and the next

1927
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: day I was like, I gotta see where he came from.

1928
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Like I took my dog in there. I went, I

1929
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: went freaking grouse hunting. I just looked around and it

1930
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: was just like so beneficial to me. In fact, I've

1931
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: been back there about six times and and really kind

1932
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 1: of like winner scouted and everything. But so much of

1933
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 1: this stuff when you just go show up someplace and

1934
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,680
Speaker 1: you're like I got this pin down, I'm gonna go

1935
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: walk into this area, you get like a little bit

1936
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: of a picture. But when you really start expanding that

1937
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: through scouting and spending some more time, it just like

1938
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 1: helps you like piece together why was that buck there?

1939
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: Like what was he doing? Or like why do people

1940
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: are here and walk in there? When I want to

1941
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: go hunt this creek bottom here, and it just the

1942
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: more stuff you do like that, and the more time

1943
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 1: you spend out there, and I know you do that

1944
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: because you're a scouting fiend. It just I feel like

1945
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: it makes it It makes me enjoy the process so

1946
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: much more. Yeah. Well that's a testament of the type

1947
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: of hunter you are and the mentality you have, you

1948
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean that that that urge to learn

1949
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: about what happened. Like, that's that's always I do the

1950
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: same exact thing with every single kill encounter whatever. I

1951
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: always go back and investigate either you know, if it's

1952
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: like successful hunt, I'll do it right after. Um, but

1953
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, after the season, I'll go back and really

1954
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: try to figure out what was going on there, why

1955
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, why a deer was coming from this way,

1956
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: or where was it coming from or where is it

1957
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: going to? Same thing. But it's that constant urge to

1958
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 1: to just keep gaining more information and learning. Like it's

1959
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, my brain is always like

1960
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: thinking about that stuff. I like have to shut it off. Um.

1961
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: You know sometimes I have to shut it off. Like

1962
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I'll be at home and I'm just thinking about you know,

1963
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I'm thinking about it and I'm bringing

1964
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 1: my phone up. You know, We're supposed to be watching

1965
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: a movie and I'm bringing up maps and I'm like

1966
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 1: looking down like this, and I'm like, you know, at

1967
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: least we'll be like, Hendy, what are you doing? And

1968
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you're right. You know, I gotta I

1969
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: gotta shut it off. Like it's constantly going there, just

1970
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 1: taking more information, more experiences, more you know, more info.

1971
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, it's just the way

1972
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: my my brain works. It sounds like it's kind of

1973
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,759
Speaker 1: the way your brain works. You have some other hobbies,

1974
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: which is good. I I probably need some other ones. Um,

1975
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's you know, white tails are bow

1976
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: hunting in general just kind of takes front and center. Um,

1977
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you know. And the only thing that I've really been

1978
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: able to you know, put in front of that and

1979
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: keep in front of it obviously, is is just the

1980
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: family stuff, you know what I mean. It's it's a

1981
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: far it's a far second place behind and that. But

1982
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: everything else, it's just like I don't seem to have

1983
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 1: the passion for it anymore. But um yeah, I don't know, man,

1984
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 1: that conversation though, it is, dude, And I really think

1985
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty squirrely to man. But I've started to realize,

1986
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've been like obsessive about different stuff, right,

1987
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,919
Speaker 1: Like I've been obsessive about deer hunting. I've been obsessive

1988
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 1: about bass fishing, the dog thing, lots of stuff like

1989
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: I can I can go to a negative place with

1990
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 1: it by by getting into it too much. And what

1991
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: I started realizing is like I just got to find

1992
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: the stuff that is gonna make me happy and I'm

1993
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy doing it and not not go that overboard.

1994
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: And I started getting better at all of it. And

1995
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,560
Speaker 1: so like we just we just I love fishing in

1996
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: the ocean. You know, I live in Minnesota, so I

1997
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: get to do it like five six seven days a year.

1998
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 1: I love taking my little girls down there. And I'm

1999
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 1: terrible at it. Like I'm fishing with you know, like

2000
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: live shrimp, like I don't care what bites. Like, you know,

2001
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I try to like learn some stuff, but you know,

2002
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm very very rookie with that stuff. But even when

2003
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I still feel like there's parallels to

2004
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 1: white tail hunting or when I go pheasant hunting. I

2005
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound so stupid, but I killed some roosters, uh,

2006
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 1: you know in December where I ran into him. My

2007
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: dog flushed him up, and I was like, in my head,

2008
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: my first thought was I feel like I just found

2009
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: a rooster staging area because I was like looking at

2010
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: the terrain, I'm like, they're not where I thought they

2011
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: were going to be there, definitely not in the food source.

2012
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: It feels like they were kind of just loafing here

2013
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: in this area. And so much of this stuff when

2014
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 1: you just get outdoors and you're you know, whether it's

2015
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 1: just an addiction to scouting or whether you love small

2016
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: game hunting or something else, it all feeds the white

2017
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: tail thing. Like we've sold this message that it's kind

2018
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 1: of grilla warfare against the white tails and you've gotta

2019
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: scout NonStop, and like you can do that, people are successful.

2020
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: But if you need a little more motivation to be

2021
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: out there, like if you wouldn't go, you know, spend

2022
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: as much time out there in December as you need to,

2023
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 1: or you probably should, but the roosters are out there

2024
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: and you can go learn something about white tails while

2025
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: you're having fun doing something else or spring turkey hunting

2026
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: and looking at some new ground. However, you do it

2027
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna level up if you spend more

2028
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: time out there, if you're paying attention to what's going on,

2029
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, nature, There's there's so many like parallels in nature.

2030
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, like we don't think about a pheasant and

2031
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: a deer being the same thing, but their motivations in

2032
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: life are the same thing. They don't want to get eaten.

2033
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: They want to eat something every day, you know, at

2034
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 1: one point of the year. They want to have sex

2035
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: for like two weeks and then they're gonna move on

2036
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna just try to survive. And I

2037
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: just think, I think we have really cool chances to

2038
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: be to to really enjoy ourselves while we're getting better

2039
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 1: at this stuff. Yeah, I mean, yeah, to your point too,

2040
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: it's like all those other things that you do, you know,

2041
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: hunting wise, for different you know, different types of critters

2042
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, they all require a different little

2043
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, skill sets, right, and they all can translate

2044
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 1: back into white tail hunting and and improve in some way.

2045
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Whether it's like like you said, antelope, you're you know,

2046
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: you're sneaking up, you're trying to stalk antalope, and it's

2047
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: like it's one of the hardest critters to stalk up on,

2048
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then you get a white tail in

2049
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: a situation where you need to, you know, try to

2050
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 1: do it, or a mule deer or something that seems

2051
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 1: like child's play, you know what I mean. Um, not

2052
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: saying child's play, but you get what I'm saying, Like

2053
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's easier than an yes, yeah, or or

2054
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: or you try to, you know, try to sneak up

2055
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: on a turkey, you know what I mean. You're trying

2056
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: to spot and stalk a turkey, like super difficult, right,

2057
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: but if you could get that done. You're working on

2058
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: your your sneaking skills. And I don't really know. I'm

2059
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: not much of a pheasant hunter, so I can't speak

2060
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: on that, but I'm sure there's things that you've you know,

2061
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 1: you've learned there that have helped you be a little

2062
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: better in the white tail wood. So yeah, and it

2063
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: all goes in hand. The more you can be out there,

2064
01:43:56,200 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 1: for sure, you're learning, you're developing, you know, woodsmanship up

2065
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: and and you know ways to to to sneak around

2066
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: and to navigate and to be more effective. And it's

2067
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 1: just that that mindset, that killer mindset you know. So yeah,

2068
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: it's all interesting stuff. I love it, buddy. Let's wrap

2069
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: this up. Andy. It's always a pleasure to chat with you, man.

2070
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on Buddy day anytime. Buddy,

2071
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: I uh, I enjoyed talking with you, so whenever you want,

2072
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: just let me know. Awesome, thanks man. Okay, that's it

2073
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: for this week, folks. Be sure to tune in next

2074
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: week for some more white tailed goodness. This has been

2075
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: weird hunt and I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson, as

2076
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 1: I always, thank you so much for listening. And if

2077
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: you're looking for more white tail content, be sure to

2078
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:41,200
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2079
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,040
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2080
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,240
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2081
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:49,360
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2082
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:52,000
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2083
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