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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January thirteenth, twenty twenty one, season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number ninety three. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, presented by Geico. We are alive from the

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Speaker 1: time here to talk to you guys about Cowboys football.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about a couple hires

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Speaker 1: rumored hires that might be happening here soon we can

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Speaker 1: go around the NFL and our final segment and hopefully

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Speaker 1: upcoming games this weekend in the Divisional round of NFL playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe we will get to some questions

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Speaker 1: from you guys. Amber has some ready in case we

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Speaker 1: get there. In the final segment, how's everybody doing today? Good? Derek, great, Derek, awesome,

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Speaker 1: everybody's good. Let's jump in. Let's talk about what nothing? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Mike Nolan. Uh. This last week we

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Speaker 1: find out Mike Nolan has been relieved of his duties.

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Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula, the defensive line coach, also relieved of

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Speaker 1: his duties, and then the Cowboys going to make a

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Speaker 1: hire or they hire dan Quinn. M He was the leader,

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the top defense in the league

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and in twenty and fourteen with the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. He won Super Bowl while he was there

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, took that team to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That was the infamous melt down of

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Speaker 1: the twenty eight to three league that they gave up.

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Speaker 1: What were your initial reactions to the hiring of Dan

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Speaker 1: got you gotta make a change. Obviously we hinted at it.

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Speaker 1: We don't like seeing guys, you know, lose jobs or whatever.

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Speaker 1: he's still a good football coach, but you gotta make

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Speaker 1: a change, and so they did, and they got a

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Speaker 1: guy that that has is a proven defensive coordinator. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's not that Nolan wasn't, but you know, he's had

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Speaker 1: It'll be a good change. My own thought is is

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Speaker 1: You know, I know it's part of my job and

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean, it wasn't it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like it was just nobody that came back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he expected them to come back there. They should have

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Speaker 1: won that game. We know that. But you know, and

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Speaker 1: they're they're pretty good at I'm not one thing we

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Speaker 1: know about Dank and those Falcons defense is that better

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Speaker 1: not put a bad left tackle out there. Because he

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Speaker 1: put a bad left tackle out there, you can make

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Speaker 1: a really good player into like all world. He's still playing,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I saw said the same thing. Yeah

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Speaker 1: we were, you guys, say Dave. I just I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to I'm not trying to hate on Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: My only point is that defense is like Seattle in

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Speaker 1: the early part of this decade, or the you know,

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Speaker 1: the oh the early two thousand Buccaneers, that those type

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Speaker 1: of defenses come around once a generation. And I just

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of being like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: coached all these Hall of famers. That means he's going

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Speaker 1: to find a bunch of Hall of Famers here, Like

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Speaker 1: that's not realistic. It doesn't mean he's not a good coach.

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Speaker 1: It's just how well but but but developed the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famers. So that's what that's what I like about.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, they he tried the same thing in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and other teams have tried to copy them. They try

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Speaker 1: to copy the Ravens, they eighty five Bears, teams like that.

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Speaker 1: You try to copy it, and it doesn't always work,

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Speaker 1: And I get it. But the fact is is that

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a Panther's team from a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: or a Brown's team right now where they've been so

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Speaker 1: awful that they just get all these picks and finally,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the Browns finally are in the play.

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Speaker 1: Well they should be. They got a lot of players

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Speaker 1: that they finally have all these guys and that's what's

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Speaker 1: good about Seattle is they've developed of it. You can

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Speaker 1: even say that same with their quarterback. They developed it.

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Speaker 1: That whole team was developed. I think the key question

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Speaker 1: will be can he develop the talent here? Can he

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Speaker 1: develop guys that are currently on this roster and guys

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be drafting and that they may

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Speaker 1: be bringing in in free agency? Can he develop them

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Speaker 1: That will be the question I will ask you guys

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Speaker 1: At the start, we are presented by Geico. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: some more about some of the players that will and

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Speaker 1: how this move may affect them. Obviously, dan Quinn has

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Speaker 1: been hired as a defensive coordinator. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of players on this defense that have not had their

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Speaker 1: best seasons this last season, Jalen Smith being won, Layton

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Speaker 1: Vanderesh maybe being another. What players can you identify that

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Speaker 1: maybe your opinions of what their future looks like with

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Speaker 1: this team may have changed based upon this hire. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with you, Dave. I don't know this for sure.

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked to dan Quinn. If I had to guess,

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Speaker 1: we won't be allowed to talk to dan Quinn for

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Speaker 1: several weeks. But the minute his hire was announced, I

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Speaker 1: started thinking about Jalen Smith me personally, because again I

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Speaker 1: think we talked about it when the season ended. Is

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're changing the decordinator, that should be

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Speaker 1: your number one priorities like figuring out can we fix

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Speaker 1: this guy? Can we make it work with him? And

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Speaker 1: again I don't know, I don't know if dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: said that, but between going back to a simplified scheme

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Speaker 1: where we've seen Jaylen Smith succeed and again some of

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Speaker 1: the different things that dan Quinn does like a Leo

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Speaker 1: role or you know, playing more sam linebacker, doing stuff

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Speaker 1: where you can rush the passer, dropping coverage but not

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Speaker 1: too too often. Things like that make me wonder if

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Speaker 1: Jaalen Smith has more of a future here than I thought,

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Speaker 1: because if you if you asked me Monday after the

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Speaker 1: Giants game, I would be like, I really don't think

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith is here in twenty twenty one. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: And I still think that's a conversation they need to have.

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Speaker 1: But dan Quinn being here makes me think maybe that's

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Speaker 1: not the case. Maybe you know, between the scheme and

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Speaker 1: asking him to do some different things, maybe they think

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Speaker 1: that they can salvage that situation. Nick Um, Jayalen Smith

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Speaker 1: is the answer for me as well, but um other players.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way you asked it was was just

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Speaker 1: I have a different opinion of things after dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: was hired. Um, you know, I I just don't know

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Speaker 1: about the those those cornerbacks. You know you're not going

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Speaker 1: to lose them all, you know, I don't or say

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Speaker 1: in the in the safety as well. Um, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if if they're going to try to resign Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: or Cheeto. I mean one of those two. I think

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Speaker 1: you have to. I would I would lean on on

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis a little bit more. No, I think, I

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Speaker 1: think No, I don't think he's the better one, but

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Speaker 1: I think he plays a position that something can be

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Speaker 1: kind of harder to find the guy that can play

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Speaker 1: the slot and now that, um, I think you have

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Speaker 1: to let hisavir Woods go. UM. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a resigned guy either. I just I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that works, and I don't think he's He's been

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Speaker 1: a good player. But but I think and I think

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Speaker 1: about that it's Jalen Smith. But I also really wonder

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Speaker 1: how much turnover there's going to be in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can let all those guys test.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're all going to test, but I think

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Speaker 1: you gotta bring some of them back amber. I just

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Speaker 1: still I'm in that kind of mentality where I need

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Speaker 1: to see it to believe it. And honestly, nothing has

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Speaker 1: changed my opinion. This higher has not changed my opinion

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Speaker 1: as far as talent and players. I mean, you guys

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Speaker 1: mentioned Jalen Smith, but I mean let Jayleen go do

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Speaker 1: that somewhere else. I don't know. I just cannot get

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Speaker 1: past that and Dave's reasoning behind it, because you look

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Speaker 1: at a lot of the plays that happened, and yes,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of like a domino effect. You know,

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Speaker 1: what you do is affected by so many different elements

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Speaker 1: and what's surrounding you around you. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: there were so many plays where that was on him

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Speaker 1: as a solo solo player, all on him. Didn't have

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Speaker 1: to do necessarily with like scheme or anything of that.

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00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: It's just football basics and still wasn't good. So I

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00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: don't know if you can change that. Also, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can change someone's mentality, and I have

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00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: a huge problem with that as well. So I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: that does not His hiring does not change what I

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Speaker 1: think of players right now, let's focus in. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: want to I want to specify. I agree with everything

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Speaker 1: you just said. AG. The thing is Jalen Smith is

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Speaker 1: a sixty eight million dollar investment by this organization, and

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00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: first of all, bench watch on the best. I don't

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Speaker 1: know people people who signed yeah, people who signed checks

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00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: that size. One they don't like to eat gigantic sums

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Speaker 1: of money, and two they don't like to well they

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00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: got they got their own press down there or something.

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00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. But and then number two, they don't

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00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: like admitting that they're wrong. And so both of those

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: things combine if you hire and again I don't know this,

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00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: it's just me. I'm just spitballing. But you hired Dan

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00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Quinn and say can you fix Jalen? And he says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can fix jale And they're like, great. That means

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Speaker 1: we don't have to cut him and eat nine million

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Speaker 1: dollars and will look less stupid when he plays better.

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Speaker 1: And both of those things are what make me think

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Speaker 1: that he might stick around. Okay, so let's do this. Great,

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Speaker 1: can you trade him? Can you get anything? No, who's

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Speaker 1: gonna trade? Who's gonna trade you for him? I don't

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: know that, And that's not and that I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to be mean. I'm saying anytime

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a trade scenario, and I hear fans

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00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: do this a lot where they're like, well trade this guy,

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00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: my thought is always okay. So the same reason you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of him is probably what everybody

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Speaker 1: out there that would trade for him is also looking at.

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Speaker 1: What is the trademark. Well it's more than that though,

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Speaker 1: because they can't just cut him regularly. If you cut

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Speaker 1: him regularly, he's gonna be nine million dollars. There's no

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: there's no June first trade. That doesn't work. And that's

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00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: the thing. You've got to cut him before March tenth

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And because he's got a big seven million

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Speaker 1: dollar bonus coming if he's on the roster in the

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Speaker 1: fifth day of the league year, so you got to

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Speaker 1: cut him before that, but designate him as a June

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Speaker 1: one cut, so it's only counting about a million instead

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Speaker 1: of nine and a half. And that's a huge that's

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Speaker 1: a huge difference. So the trade and the cut, if

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Speaker 1: he's off the roster, it doesn't matter either way. All

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: that money comes to the front, so they're gonna eat

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Speaker 1: a lot of it. So I understand what Dave's saying.

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Speaker 1: He's like, if this guy says he can fix them,

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00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: that's fine. But he's not the first guy that said

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Speaker 1: he could fix him. But let's talk about him like

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Speaker 1: you Well, let's let's zero in a little bit on

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Speaker 1: Jalen specifically. He did have he had a quote at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season he was asked a question

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Speaker 1: specific to whether he thought he would be back this

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Speaker 1: season after the season that he's had. And I think

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Speaker 1: our producer, Chris Beam, I think Chris has the audio.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to what what Jalen had to say. Will

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Speaker 1: be back me? Yeah, I mean watch the film. Um.

647
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Speaker 1: But for me, it's a blessing. It's a blessing to

648
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: be able to play this game. Um. So many people

649
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: thought I'd never played ever again. So for me, I'm

650
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Speaker 1: my worst critic, um, and I'm my biggest fan. I'm

651
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Speaker 1: gonna keep battling, keep grinding. But the guys that that

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Speaker 1: that no football and know our scheme and watch film. Um,

653
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Speaker 1: I don't have to speak on I don't have to

654
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Speaker 1: have to speak to myself. It's all love. It's all love. Well,

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Speaker 1: he I don't know if we heard the very first part.

656
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Speaker 1: I did not hear it, but I think the fans

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Speaker 1: are I think fans. Yeah, Okay, when he said watch

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Speaker 1: the tape, yeah, I mean that that's that. That was

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Speaker 1: the that's his response to the question. Uh, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we just watched the tape and I mean that's and

661
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Speaker 1: in somewhat of a arrogant way, I meant the tape. Yeah, well,

662
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Speaker 1: and I've said this before. Um, he's wrong. On he's

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Speaker 1: his worst critic. He's wrong. Nobody can be their biggest

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Speaker 1: fan and the worst critic. That doesn't happen. The people

665
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: that ask the question to begin with are worst critics

666
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Speaker 1: than him because they're not as big as fan. So, um,

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Speaker 1: we might have some of his worst critics are right

668
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Speaker 1: over there in that TV right there, like on the

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Speaker 1: other side and on this show here. Now, he's not

670
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Speaker 1: his worst critic and that's his problem. He's self awareness

671
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Speaker 1: is not there. Reaction Amber, Oh, I'm trying to control

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. Okay, first, its first. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I initially heard the audio, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: absolutely like my eyes almost came out of my skull,

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Speaker 1: like with the eye roll that I did. But when

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Speaker 1: I watched the video made me feel kind of bad

677
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Speaker 1: because watching him, you get that sense of kind of

678
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Speaker 1: him being defensive, you know, when you're trying to defend yourself.

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Speaker 1: But a big thing that you have to listen to

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Speaker 1: is his initial reaction. How surprised and how so like

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Speaker 1: what you're asking me and that that question, like how

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Speaker 1: unaware like and how like in another world that he's

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Speaker 1: living and I don't understand because players have to watch

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Speaker 1: film after each game, you have to evaluate yourself, and

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming coaches evaluate and given evaluate evaluation to players

686
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Speaker 1: as well. So my problem is it's with that whole

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Speaker 1: thing of self accountability, accountability. Like Derek, you know, if

688
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: I assel up or whatever, I'm not gonna sit there

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Speaker 1: and excuse myself. I'm gonna say, you know what, you're right,

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Speaker 1: but let me prove to you that I can do

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Speaker 1: better and I'm gonna do better and all that. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that after a whole season of us everyone

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Speaker 1: watching film, watching him play, watching the Cowboys play, that

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Speaker 1: his response is that watch the tape. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: delusional there, and again some of those plays in that

696
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Speaker 1: last game against the Giants, the fact that he was

697
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Speaker 1: cheering and stuff like you know, the wrong moments, that

698
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: you're only thinking about yourself. That is another step of

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Speaker 1: like you're not being aware of what the heck is

700
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Speaker 1: going on in the game itself, which is a huge

701
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: problem because that's something that's very very important. You need

702
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Speaker 1: to be aware of everything that's freaking happening in a game.

703
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Speaker 1: So at this point, I get that it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. His contract is a lot of money. But man,

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Speaker 1: it's not worth the headache for me. But again, it's

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Speaker 1: not my money, so I don't know. I'm not the

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Speaker 1: cowboys to tell them what to do with it. But

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Speaker 1: they've made my choice and this is what we're seeing

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00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: now day. It's my money and I need it now.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's what that made me think of. Um,

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Speaker 1: I always, you know, I always I'd say it a lot.

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot about this game. I

713
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: take my job really seriously. I'm always trying to learn more.

714
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: But I've never coached or played at an elite levels.

715
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: So like, I'm not going to be the guy that

716
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Speaker 1: flips on the tape and like I can diagram the

717
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: coverage and tell you for sure what everybody's doing. Like

718
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: I always try to avoid that because I think most

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Speaker 1: people who try to do that, with very few exceptions,

720
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Speaker 1: are faking it in my opinion. Having said that, I

721
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: know enough about football that I can turn on the

722
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: tape and tell you that. Jalen Smith, like, why are

723
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: you telling people to watch the tape because it's bad?

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: It's it's not good, Like I know that anybody that's

725
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: watched it knows that if you have NFL game Pass,

726
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: you can go look at it. That was my reaction

727
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: when he said that. I was like, does he really

728
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: want people to do that? Because I don't think it's

729
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna go the way that he thinks it will, because

730
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Speaker 1: I don't have to know the difference between coverages or

731
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: no all eleven assignments to see Jalen not being able

732
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: to get off blocks, or being late to diagnose the play,

733
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Speaker 1: or just diagnosing the play in the wrong direction, barrel

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Speaker 1: rolling out of the hole that he's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: in for some reason, just losing guys in the flat

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Speaker 1: because he's not fast enough to catch them. That happened

737
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: a few times against the Ravens, right off the top

738
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Speaker 1: of my head, Like these are all easy things that

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Speaker 1: anybody can see watching, Like you don't have to be

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Speaker 1: an expert on football to see it. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know why he said that is really my big takeaway

742
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Speaker 1: from that. And you know, I don't know where it

743
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Speaker 1: goes from here, but but it just it was obviously

744
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: not good enough for a variety of reasons. And that's

745
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: not even taking into account the penalties and the self

746
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: awareness and all that type of stuff, just from a

747
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: standpoint of are you a thirteen million dollar linebacker, like

748
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: anybody who turns on NFL game pass could tell you. No,

749
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, Dave tell Oh sorry, I was just gonna

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: ask Dave to tell the stat. Remember when we were

751
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: watching the game against the Giants and we were talking

752
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: about his stats in tackles. Oh, yeah, leading the team,

753
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a pretty good one. I

754
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: actually somebody on Twitter told me this way back earlier

755
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Speaker 1: in the season and like, I'm sorry, I don't remember

756
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Speaker 1: your name, so like I didn't come up with this,

757
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: but it blew me away. I'm pulling up the stat

758
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: right now. So we were talking about, you know, Jalen

759
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: led the team in tackles. Jalen finished the season number

760
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Speaker 1: two in tackles, and that sounds really impressive. But somebody

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, go go look at how many solo verse,

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Speaker 1: how many assisted? And it was eighty nine solo verse,

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Speaker 1: sixty five assisted, whereas a lot of you know, Zach

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00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Cunningham from Houston one hundred and sixt fifty eight assisted,

765
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Speaker 1: Roquan Smith ninety eight to forty one, Devin White ninety

766
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: seven to forty three, like you want more solo tackles

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Speaker 1: than assists. And I think a lot of people have

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00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: astutely pointed out Jalen Smith knows how to dive on

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Speaker 1: a tackle after the fact because he knows it's going on.

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Speaker 1: He knows what's going on the stat sheet like he knows,

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Speaker 1: and it shows in the stats it's like an even

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Speaker 1: split between solo and assisted. And I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a coincidence. So shouts out to the Twitter user who

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Speaker 1: pointed that out to me. I'm sorry, I don't remember you,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was a various stude observation. That

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Speaker 1: is a very very interesting stat nick. Nick, what were

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Speaker 1: you about to the things that dan Quinn's going to

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Speaker 1: bring his armed things that really matter to what Jalen

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Speaker 1: Smith's problems are. You know, it doesn't matter about the scheme.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, he still goes around blocks instead of

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Speaker 1: through the guy. He looks to avoid contact at time.

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Speaker 1: He makes too many business decisions when when when he

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Speaker 1: does that, it creates a big hole. You know, I

784
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: don't think he takes contact as much as he's supposed to.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think and you know, and the things

786
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: that have been criticized with him about and internally you

787
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: know that that he's not as physical as he should be,

788
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't prepare like he should be prepared.

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Speaker 1: In their stories about that, and he's too stiff, you know,

790
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: like those are the things that a new schemes not

791
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna fix. Now, I'm I don't care if he

792
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: swipes on a play he didn't make. I don't care.

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00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: Marcus Spears danced on de wear sacks all the time.

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Speaker 1: Who cares like it's a team thing. Make a play,

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Speaker 1: you're excited. That's fine. And I've said it this a

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Speaker 1: thousand times. Nobody was on that Fiesta Bowl field with

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Speaker 1: where he was thinking his career was over because he

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Speaker 1: played in a bowl game, which give him credit for that,

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Speaker 1: because no one does anymore. And and then you know

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Speaker 1: he thinks his career is over. He comes back, he

801
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: gets a big contract, he plays in the in the

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Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl, all that kind of stuff. His

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00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: perspective is not going to be the same as everyone else's.

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Speaker 1: It's not. So I tried to accept that. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: But you gotta prepare, you gotta be a better player,

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00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: you gotta you can't leave your teammates out to dry

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00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you gotta be, like they said,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be more self aware. But the swiping because

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00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: someone else made a play, who cares? You're off the

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Speaker 1: field as a team, who cares? Well? I think I

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Speaker 1: think his reaction to the question is the part that

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Speaker 1: is big for me, and it actually brings up an

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Speaker 1: interesting question. We're gonna take a break, but when we

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Speaker 1: come back, I'm gonna ask you guys this question. What

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Speaker 1: I think this illuminated to me was one of two

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Speaker 1: things has to be true here. Either the coaches agree

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00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: with him that he's playing really well, or they're not

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Speaker 1: holding him accountable and telling him that he's not playing

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Speaker 1: really well. One of those two has to be the

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Speaker 1: truth for him to have that kind of response. We're

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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Hold on just a second, Well,

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Speaker 1: So I thought you were going to read the one

863
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: about ordering food, because like this, I'm actually in the

864
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: middle of that right now. I was telling you before

865
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: we went on the air. My high school teams playing

866
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: at at and T Stadium this Friday State championship God

867
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: cougars and and I'm right in the middle now trying

868
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: to figure out what we want to have in the suite,

869
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, And so I'm trying to like choose my

870
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: best my favorites. Gotta have the mac and cheese the

871
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: whole night, you know. Yeah, and we all know you

872
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: just said that because you wanted to say that your

873
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: school is in Yeah, which is to find a reason

874
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: to go whatever. Hold on, let's just we got we

875
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: got enough time we can talk about this. So Crosby

876
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: High School is Crosby Hospital. They're playing in the state

877
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: championship at AT and T Stadium. They have never won

878
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a state championship in anything as a team. No, never.

879
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: The only state championship that there's ever been one at

880
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: Crosby High School is an individual award from Derek Eagleton

881
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: as the debate State Championship. So, so y'all remember that

882
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: state amber when you're trying to argue a point. Just

883
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: remember this state champion debater. That's awesome. By the way,

884
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know he ever. Yeah, I

885
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: didn't know he won state. But I mean I'd have

886
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: to be a fool at this point not to know

887
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: that Derek lives to argue you remember you remember the

888
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: conversation you lost, Remember the one at the time that

889
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: Derek said, you know, that's a great point. You're right,

890
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm wrong about that. Wo really yeah, it was a Wednesday.

891
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and nine. It happened. It

892
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: happened just in the break. Yes, Amber, you were right.

893
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I did absolutely much. No, that's a good point actually,

894
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: because you were telling me this for a month now,

895
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just realized that's because your rundowns are longer

896
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: than war in peace and so at the bottom say,

897
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a fan questions whatever, but just curiosity.

898
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: What was the topic that you won on the debate?

899
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: Do you remember? I think that year it was about

900
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons proliferation. I think I think that was the

901
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: topic that year, but I'm not certain. I think that was.

902
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: That's awesome though, by the bay was nineteen ninety one.

903
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: State champ still do that debate? Like State? Yeah? Yeah, okay,

904
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: they have nationals, they have everything. Yeah, did you have nationals?

905
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: I went to nationally, did not compete. I was an

906
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: alternate for Nationals. Okay. Yeah, Well so I'm just blown away.

907
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: I love the Uh you know, college football season ended

908
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: on Monday night and we haven't played the state title

909
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: games for Texas. Yet that's crazy, and I'm gonna put

910
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: money on it. You gonna have a stadium that will

911
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: have a ton of people in it for this state

912
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: championship as his customary in Texas. Are they gonna let

913
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: you go into the stadium with your trophy? Are you

914
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: gonna have to put that on the side or go through?

915
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: I don't even know where my trophy is. Probably my

916
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: mom probably has it. You might have walking around seeing

917
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: these people you haven't seen forever. I am. I'm actually

918
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing all my old classmates. They'll all

919
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: be here. So it's gonna be a big dealful Cross.

920
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: If you could, we got small test their eyes. I

921
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: will recognize them. Trust school. All right, I have a sweet.

922
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't have Jerry sweet, but I do have a sweet,

923
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: and so we will have some. We have good time.

924
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fod Crosby Cougars, Cougar Crosby copies. All right,

925
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: So here's what I want to do. I was gonna

926
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: ask this question right before he went to break Jalen

927
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Smith um his reaction and ember you talked about you

928
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: pointed out his reaction in this that his reaction was

929
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: one where he was almost just surprised anybody would ask

930
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: him this question. And it made me think one of

931
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: these two statements has to be true. Either his coaches

932
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: believe that he is playing as well as he believes

933
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: he's playing, or they have not held him accountable and

934
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: told him he's not playing that well for him to

935
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: be that surprised, Which one do you think is more likely?

936
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Nicholas start with, haven't haven't been upfront with him. You

937
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: don't think they believe that he's playing that well? Hmm,

938
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: I No, I think they believe it because there's a

939
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: lot of words going around. You hear a lot of

940
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: whispers and stuff that people are talking about it. Just

941
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily goes to him. I bet you,

942
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: I bet you that he gets it, but I don't,

943
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: you know. I bet that he gets the criticism, but

944
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as strong as it needs to be.

945
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: And I bet you he kind of dismisses it. And

946
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: we saw a video of that. We saw a video

947
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: of that. We've seen some sideline clips of that where

948
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: there's some people yelling and stuff. And I don't know

949
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: if he's taken it that it's tamed at him. Amber

950
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: he just seems so far off from reality and just

951
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: like so blinded by his own self. I don't even

952
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: know what word I'm looking for, but there's absolutely no

953
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: way that the coaches see the tape and see these

954
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: players play and not realize the way that he has played.

955
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: So I would lead more towards the fact that maybe

956
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: they're not They weren't as vocal as they needed to

957
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: be with him. I mean, sometimes it takes you calling

958
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: him out in front of everyone, like it takes a

959
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: little bit of embarrassment sometimes for you to get someone

960
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: to finally realize it, Like put the play on big

961
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: display here and highlight it, because if he's not getting it,

962
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: that's a problem. And again, I think it affects what

963
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: happens here mentally affects what you do on the field,

964
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: and he just needed like a slap of reality and

965
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: someone to really sit him down and say, hey, man,

966
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: you're not really doing as good as you think you are,

967
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: So here's what we need to work on, and these

968
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: are the things that you need to self evaluate and

969
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: try to improve on, because otherwise it's just hard to

970
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: get better. So I would lean more towards them not

971
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: being as upfront as they should have, but obviously I

972
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: have no idea what happens behind doors or any of that. Day.

973
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: Kind of goes back to the point I was making

974
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: in the last segment, which is, you know, if I

975
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: have if I say something like if if Mike Nolan

976
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: wants to call me on something, be like, you don't

977
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: even know what coverage we're running, I'll probably back down

978
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, You're right. You've been

979
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: coaching NFL football for more than I've been alive or

980
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: close to it, Like, who am I to question your expertise?

981
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: In this case? I will gladly sit down with anybody

982
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: that wants to tell me that I don't know what

983
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because like, like even my dumb ass

984
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: can sit down and look at the tape and I'd

985
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: be like, Mike Nolan, you are wrong. If you think

986
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith played great this year, you're wrong. I like,

987
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: I'll gladly say that to him or anybody else. And

988
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: so the only thing I can come up with is

989
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: that they weren't totally honest with him, and I you know,

990
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's probably human nature. You know that

991
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: doesn't every office place in the world probably have an

992
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: employee where it's like, don't I mean Toby's Toby, don't

993
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: worry about him. Like, yeah, it's annoying, but like, well,

994
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, we'll work around it and it'll be fine.

995
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Like every office has that person as far as I'm aware,

996
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: and probably football teams too. So that's that's kind of

997
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: where I'm at. Yeah, And one of the things to

998
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: that point, Dave, I think sometimes what happens, and we

999
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: all probably know these people in life, that they hear

1000
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. They hear the positive, and

1001
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: they soak all that in. But when you give them

1002
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: critiques and feet and feedback that that may not be positive,

1003
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: they just kind of let that fly just right over

1004
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: their head and they act like they didn't hear it,

1005
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: and they don't take in the criticism. Maybe that's a

1006
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: defense mechanism, who knows, but they don't take in the

1007
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: criticism as well and really kind of let that seep

1008
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: in and figure out, Okay, I need to be better

1009
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: in these areas. They only hear what they want to hear,

1010
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: and so because coaches could have been saying it maybe

1011
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 1: not strong enough to your point. To Amber's point, maybe

1012
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: they didn't stay it's strong enough, but maybe there's a

1013
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: reality that think they talked to him about this, and

1014
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 1: they talked him and showed him where he wasn't playing

1015
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: well enough, and he just kind of in his mind thought,

1016
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but there's a reason why. Oh yeah, there's

1017
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: a reason why on that play. Oh yeah, the reason

1018
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: while in that play. And he never really took it

1019
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: in as I'm not playing well. But but that's that's

1020
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: the problem, is that you want the flip side of that.

1021
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: I want the Jason Witten. Hey, Jason, you're a pro.

1022
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: You're at all pro. You're great at this, You're great

1023
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: at this and all that. I don't want you to

1024
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: actually wham the nose and try to get hurt and

1025
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: hit the defensive tackle. But you're great at this. And

1026
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, wait, you don't think I can wham

1027
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: the nose that I know. That's a story that we've

1028
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: we've been told a lot. But the difference is is

1029
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: that you said that there are players and people that

1030
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: are like they hear what they want to hear. He

1031
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: hears what he wants to hear. You know, some people

1032
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: can get complimented over and over and over, but they

1033
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: hear one little thing that might sound negative, and that's

1034
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: all that they heard. So that person's gonna get get

1035
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: better and try to make sure there are zero things

1036
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: like that that's like the opposite to him. All right,

1037
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: let's let's flip the conversation a little bit. We are

1038
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: hearing reports at this point that the Cowboys are interested

1039
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: in hiring Joe Witt Junior to coach their secondary defensive

1040
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: pass game coordinator. That's the report. Are you writing a

1041
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: story on that right now? Dave? Sorry? Yeah, bad? I

1042
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: thought he would maybe I think might be writing this

1043
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: right Is he breaking it for us? No? Um, let

1044
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: me get your reactions of it now. He was with

1045
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn in Atlanta. He's also been with Mike McCarthy

1046
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: in his career at Ering Bay. What's your reaction to

1047
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys maybe making a change there in the secondary

1048
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: as well? Well? It's a little it's interesting right now

1049
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: because we have not heard that they have a secondary

1050
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: coach vacant spot available there, so I don't know about that,

1051
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: but or that he's not an under contract. But I

1052
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this, when he interviewed for the job, that's

1053
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: exactly what I thought was going to happen. When you

1054
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: interview for the DC job. It's like, Okay, well we'll see,

1055
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna interview some other guys. Um, but if if

1056
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: this doesn't work out, would you be interested in maybe

1057
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: a secondary coach. I guarantee that was part of it

1058
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: um that went on there, So it doesn't surprise me,

1059
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: and I think it would be a good move. It'd

1060
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: be a step up for what they had because no

1061
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: offense to the guy they had, but they haven't been

1062
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: coaching NFL cornerbacks and secondary guys like he has, so

1063
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: I think it would be a step up if they

1064
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: go that way. Camber definitely a step up. I think

1065
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: that a change there was needed as well. And again

1066
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that I don't really

1067
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: know because I'm not in there, so I don't know

1068
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: the dynamic as far as how much there is to

1069
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: blame on position coaches versus the defensive coordinator, So I

1070
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: don't really know the dynamic there. But clearly the secondary

1071
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: as a whole struggle all throughout the season. I mean,

1072
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: these players were doing things that it was just like wow, unbelievable,

1073
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: the amount of separation, the coverage and a lot of

1074
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: things that also the whole scheme thing and understanding what

1075
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: they're doing is gonna help, obviously, but just in general,

1076
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: I think that maybe a change there was needed. The

1077
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: only thing that makes me concern a little bit, I guess,

1078
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: not really concerned, but just like, is the whole relationship

1079
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy, just because I knew the relationship with

1080
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan and then it's like, oh, he had his

1081
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: buddy in here, So I just I it makes me wonder, Okay,

1082
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: is this another one of his buddies And it's just like, oh,

1083
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: I know you, let's just work together again type of

1084
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: thing versus Am I really just looking strictly at your resume,

1085
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: resume and your accomplishment, you know, I hope that makes

1086
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: sense what I try to say, Dave. I mean, I

1087
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's got a ton of NFL experience.

1088
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Obviously he was with McCarthy and Green Bay, and from

1089
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: what I read this morning, it seems like, you know,

1090
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: people around the packers have a favorable opinion of him.

1091
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I know the whole book

1092
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: on his career, but yeah, you know, no disrespect to

1093
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Mo Linguist, but you know, he was coming from Texas,

1094
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: A and M. This guy's been around the NFL for

1095
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: a fairly long time, so I definitely don't have a

1096
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: problem with it. I don't I don't know that I'm

1097
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: informed enough to be like, yeah, this is an amazing

1098
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: higher but I'm certainly not against it. Yeah, I think

1099
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: all all in all, I think there's there's a lot

1100
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: of reason why you would you would want to think

1101
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: that maybe they want to do something different if you

1102
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: look at the parts of the team that didn't perform

1103
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: up to snuff. Secondaries one area where you look at

1104
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: and you say they did have some some really big

1105
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: issues throughout the season. Um, and I'd be interested to see.

1106
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: I know there's a little bit of concern on a

1107
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: part of some people that are observing this from the

1108
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: standpoint that this is a guy that came from Atlanta

1109
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: where last year they had one of the worst passive defense,

1110
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: if not I think the worst past defense in the NFL.

1111
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: And and it to me, the first thing that popped

1112
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: into my mind was, and I know we talked about

1113
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: this on the show last year when the Cowboys went

1114
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: up and got Don Terry Po and Gerald McCoy from

1115
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: Carolina where they had the worst pass defense in the

1116
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then I mean, it's our run defense.

1117
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: And then you bring them in here and you think

1118
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: your run defense is going to get better, it's And

1119
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: again that is not necessarily saying that Dan win and

1120
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: if they make this move with Joe Witt that they

1121
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: won't be able to make this defense better. But that

1122
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: was the first thing that popped into my mind that

1123
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: you have to be cautious. And I do think that

1124
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: some of the people that are having that reaction, I

1125
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: think it's a fair reaction to have when you look

1126
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: at the production that they had last year that they

1127
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: got out of that Atlanta defense. Real quick, before we

1128
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: tie up this conversation, I wanted to read this. Our

1129
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: producer Chris Beam in the break, pulled up some of

1130
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: the stats we had asked this question earlier about where

1131
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: they got the talent for that Seattle defense that became

1132
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: one of the best of all time. I want to

1133
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: run this down for you guys. Here were the guys

1134
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: and where they would draft at Cliff April third round pick,

1135
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, undrafted free agent, Brandon Mebaye, third round pick,

1136
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Chris Clemens, undrafted free agent Rett Bryant fourth round pick,

1137
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: Malcolm Smith's seventh round pick, Bobby Wagner's second round pick,

1138
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: kJ Wright fourth round pick, Bruce Irvan first round pick,

1139
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman fifth round pick, Earl Thomas first round pick,

1140
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor fifth round pick, and Byron Maxwell sixth round pick.

1141
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: They only had two first round picks on that defense,

1142
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: one second round pick. Everyone else was third or below,

1143
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: a couple of the guys being undrafted free agents. That

1144
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: I think it's what's the most impressive about getting Dan Quinn.

1145
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: Is you getting a guy that built that defense out

1146
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: of guys that were not highly touted. They were not

1147
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: guys that were highly drafted. They were primarily guys they

1148
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: brought in that they thought fit and they coached him

1149
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: up and got them ready to play. Dave, you have something.

1150
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm quibbling, like, yes, Michael Bennett was

1151
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. They also signed him in free

1152
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: agency after several very successful seasons in Tampa Bay. I mean,

1153
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: they did not develop him from nothing into something. He

1154
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: was already ann commodity when they signed him. I mean,

1155
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: it's really impressive. I've written stories over the years. I mean,

1156
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: Seattle laid the blueprint for what everybody has tried to

1157
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: do over the last decade, which is hit on the

1158
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: draft and find a quarterback on a rookie contract who

1159
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: can help you pay all those guys before he needs

1160
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: his own pay day, I guess, and people deserve credit

1161
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: for that. Like I said, like I'm not trying to

1162
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: take anybody's credit away, but with each passing year, it

1163
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: just goes to show how hard that is to achieve.

1164
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm Seattle just extended their GM. John Schneider, who was

1165
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: the architect of those drafts. Seahawks fans will probably tell

1166
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: you they really haven't been that great in the draft

1167
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: since then. I mean, you know, they found DK Metcalf,

1168
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: they found a few other really good players, but they

1169
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: have not hit with near the consistency that they did

1170
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: when they had the drafts that put that team together. So,

1171
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: like I said, people deserve credit for it. But it's

1172
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: just not realistic to think you're gonna do that because

1173
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: it happens very, very rarely, and no doubt that's my

1174
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: only point. I guess. The way I look at it

1175
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: is I'm not asking you to build the twenty thirteen

1176
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. I'm asking you to take a few players

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys gotten third, fourth, fifth rounds and TOURNAMENTO players.

1178
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: If you can do that, and as we've all said

1179
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: on this show, if you can get this defense to

1180
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: play middle of the row football and you got your

1181
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: pieces on offense, I think this team can be successful.

1182
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to be the best of all time.

1183
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to have a good defense, a relatively

1184
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: good defense. Bro That was twenty thirteen. Zoom was created

1185
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, so I mean they didn't

1186
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: even have virtual stuff going on right now, so hopefully

1187
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: that they won't have to figure that out. All intence,

1188
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: you're about to wrap up the show, I'll just take

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yeah. Well, what I was gonna do is

1190
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through each one of you guys, and

1191
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: I want you all to pick all four games real

1192
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: quick before we in the show. Nick, you got Chiefs, Ravens, Packers, Saints.

1193
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: But Chiefs, Ravens, Packers, Saints, all right, and that be

1194
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: four winners? All right? Yeah? They all plan? Okay, Okay,

1195
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: Dave Um, I really like I don't all I'm gonna

1196
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: say is I want to see the Chiefs play the Bills,

1197
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: and I want to see the Packers play the Saints

1198
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: like I want those two matchups. I think those are

1199
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: probably the four most complete teams in the NFL. Uh.

1200
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, obviously that doesn't mean everything because we you know,

1201
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: the Rams already screwed that up because I wanted to

1202
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: see the Sea Hawks in the next round against Screen

1203
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: Bay as well. Um, so there's no guarantee that that's

1204
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen, or I guess they probably would have played

1205
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: the Saints whatever, the point being, I don't know what's

1206
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: going to happen. I certainly think that Rams defense is

1207
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: capable of stopping the Packers, but I want to see

1208
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: Rogers breeze and the Bills versus Mahomes. I think those

1209
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: are the best possible matchups. So that's what I'm hoping happens,

1210
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: all right, Amber, I, Um, we didn't really do a

1211
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: good job last week, but this is a new week. No,

1212
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: y'all were three and three. Oh you took Tom Brady. Yeah,

1213
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: and you were trying, and I did try. Y'all talk

1214
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: to me. You also told us Alex Smith is gonna

1215
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: play Derek. Well, yeah, I was hoping. I don't think

1216
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: you would have played as well as that kid did. Also, Hey,

1217
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: my apologies to the Cleveland Browns. You deserve it. I

1218
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: called y'all frauds. I still think you're frauds, but you

1219
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: deserve you sound like Stealer's Day, You really credit. You

1220
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: sound like Juju and in Claypool. Right, do you think that?

1221
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: Do you think the Browns are gonna beat the Chiefs? Oh? No,

1222
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I will say this, if

1223
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: they were playing any of those other teams, well maybe

1224
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: not the Bills, I think they will give them a game,

1225
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: and I would not be shocked if we come in

1226
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: here next week and they actually won, that wouldn't shock me.

1227
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: But because they are playing really well right now and

1228
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: they've got the right pieces, they definitely do well. I

1229
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna happen. But I'm picking all

1230
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: the home teams, looking at all the matchups, every team

1231
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: that I would choose to win, it's playing at home,

1232
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: So Green Bay, Buffalo, the Chiefs, and then New Orleans.

1233
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: All right, and I'm gonna go with all the same

1234
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: picks that you guys have, Bills, Chiefs, Saints except for Rams.

1235
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are gonna upset the Green Bay

1236
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: Packers this weekend in Green Bay. I think that's that

1237
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: that Rams team. I like that defense, and I think

1238
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: they match up well with with what the what what

1239
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: Green Bay does. If you can shut down Davante Adams

1240
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: or at least a gym, which they got Jalen Ramsey,

1241
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: then you got a shot against Green Bay, and I

1242
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: think that's what they can do. So we'll see this

1243
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: goes be some fun football this weekend. I hope Nick's

1244
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: a little more excited this weekend than he was last week.

1245
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: In every game, there we go. That's why I watched

1246
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: every game, not every player, but I watched every I

1247
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: got the Twitter fights about you know what, I will

1248
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: never understand what anyone does with a two point conversion.

1249
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't get it anymore. I don't

1250
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: understand it. Whatever it is. People have their own theories. Cool,

1251
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: don't it shocks me what people do with two point conversions?

1252
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, what it is? All right, appreciate you guys,

1253
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: you want us. We'll be back next Wednesday. We'll get

1254
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: into some more topics concerning the Cowboys till then. For Nick,

1255
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: even Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This

1256
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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