WEBVTT - The Trans Genocide Part 2: Hit Them Where It Hurts 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.440 Oh boy, welcome to It could happen here, and it 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.920 sure do feel like it's happening, don't it. Um, thank 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.880 you for surviving that last long, excruciating episode full of 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.040 basically just like a bunch of hate speech that we 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.439 were trying to be like, Hey, doesn't this look like 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:26.080 hate speech? This is bad. Maybe platforms like Spotify, YouTube 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.360 other podcast hosting platforms that I am somehow forgetting the 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.680 name of, but perhaps they shouldn't be hosting all of 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:39.880 this Daily Wire content that is explicitly calling for genocide. Anyway, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.559 I think it is interesting what the Daily Wire is 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.479 trying to do here because they obviously saw what is 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.880 a Woman the documentary, the quote unquote documentary by Matt 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.680 Walsh last year get incredible traction online and boost their 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.720 subscription service. So now they're they're they're doubling dead on 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.160 this because this is how they're gonna try to make content, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.480 and they are trying out as many rhetorical styles and 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.360 arguments as possible just to see what sticks. Like it 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.560 really feels like they're just doing like the shotgun method 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.199 of like throwing every single possible reason that trans people 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.800 are ikey up against the wall and seeing which one 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.960 like catches on like they're doing. They're doing a ban 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.560 and transgenderism entirely, what is a woman? Groomers? They can't 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.440 be genocided because they don't exist. Attacking transgenderism as a 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.399 cover for trans people. Right, So it's all these all 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.600 these various various tactics, all these different rhetorical strategies, calling 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.960 them demonic it's, it's, it's it's very much trying to 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.000 be like if we, if we, if we throw up 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.200 as much stuff as possible, attacking and demonizing trans people. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.800 Some of these trends will catch on online, right, some 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.280 of these will will catch on, will be spread to legislators. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.400 Eventually something will stick. And that that is that is 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.640 very much the tactic that they are trying to use. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.520 And I think this is a point I wanted to 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.320 make last episode, but I think it's still it's it's 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.680 it's useful to hear now kind of in retrospect everything 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.040 all of the like extremism that you heard in the 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.480 last episode, all of these like very very fascist talking points. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.079 This is what conservatism is now, right, Like this is 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.200 the mainstream new right. Sure you can call it fascist 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:23.600 because by definition it is but sometimes that term fascist 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:28.320 or fascism, it carries with it this false sense of foreignness. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.080 It has like this, it has like this displacement in 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.960 the time. Right most people view fascism as something that 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.120 happens elsewhere or something that happened in the past. By 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.760 by by just referring to this stuff as fascist, it 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.240 creates a distance in people's minds. This this like um 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:53.120 exotic improbability. But this stuff is like the mainstream conservative 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.919 platform that the up and coming leaders of the conservative 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.760 movement are trying to normalize. That this was like the 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.760 main talking point at Pack, which is like the biggest 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.680 conservative convention in the entire country. It is this stuff 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.520 is is what the conservative platform is now. Um, and 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.760 I think it is. It is just as important to 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.160 emphasize that this is what the modern conservative mainstream is, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.760 and it is it is. It is just as important 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.920 to say that as it is to tie it and 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.680 tie this rhetoric to the history of fascism, because the 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.639 Overton window is certainly accelerating. Right, Like, this thing can 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.080 both be heavily steeped in the history of fascist rhetoric 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.120 and also be like the new, up and coming version 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.720 of the conservative right that the Daily Wire and its 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.960 allies are trying to normalize. And I just think that 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.640 is that is something that I that I am trying 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.480 to focus on a little bit more when I when 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.840 I'm doing my writing and my research in these topics, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.320 is that we often will use terms like fascist because 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.000 these things are are pretty fascist, and I want to 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.240 make sure that doesn't like create this false distance in 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.040 people's in people's minds when they when they think about 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.680 these bills, when they when they think about this rhetoric. Yeah, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:09.000 and I think I think the way in which this 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.360 is simply what the modern right is demands a different 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.360 kind of response than a lot of what we've been 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.559 seeing so far. Yeah, you can't simply try to catch 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.440 them in their contradictions. You can't simply catch them in 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.840 their hypocrisy. Every every tactic that liberals tried to use 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.040 against Trump in the lead up to his election, and 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.880 even Republicans try to use those tactics aren't going to 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.480 be successful here because they weren't successful back then. Like, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.840 you can't you can't like outthink them in that in 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.520 that in that way. Well, but the reason that you 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.960 like when you when you call out say the governor 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.120 of Tennessee or a lieutenant governor or whatever Tennessee for 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.240 about his hypocrisy and how addressed dragon stuff. It's not that. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.599 The thing that that does to defend it a little 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.680 bit to that calling out is it doesn't make his supporters, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.640 It doesn't change his mind, It doesn't expose him as 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.880 a hypocrite to his base, but it does expose him 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.599 as a hypocrite to his enemies. And I think it 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.800 is worth understanding that are the people who have declared 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.880 us their enemies. It's worth understanding that they are not 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.159 like um morally consistent actors. You know, it is worth 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.679 understanding that they don't believe the things they are saying. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.120 A lot of their base does. But so I actually 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.960 do think that there is a point all of the 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.080 shit talk on Trump or whatever. I think might be 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.479 part of how Trump didn't get elected again is because 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.000 he as he got more and more defensive, he looked 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.760 more and more ridiculous, not to his base, but to 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.440 the middle, which is basically the Democrats at this point. Yeah, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.119 it was able to recruit like a growing moderate oppositional force, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.800 which was what beat Trump. Trump was not beaten because 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.839 people liked Biden. He was beaten because he didn't like Trump, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.480 and I think you are you are right and having 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.200 that that is a point to focus on. UM. I 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.400 think it's it's important to mention that like fascists do 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.279 not believe in the absurdity of what they say, UM, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.320 it is that that is not necessary to maintain fascism. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:12.159 And I think I think so the position that we're 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.040 at right now is a very very strange one for 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.240 the left, which is that we are in a position 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.560 where you know, when when when the Republicans tried to 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.560 run on this ship in in in twenty twenty two, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.880 they got destroyed. Right, this is actually have mass popularity. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.080 This is what I wanted to talk about next. I 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.960 have this is this is the very last section I 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.159 have written is on this topic. Because yeah, this off 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.360 putting focus on like genocide and like the culture war 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.159 stuff seemed to hurt conservatives in the last election cycle 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.520 ly and yet again they are they are they are 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.200 still doubling down on it. Um. Voters in some swing 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.000 states were turned off by the focus on the regression 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.799 of queer rights instead of like actually addressing material conditions. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.480 This strategy, though, is a core concept of the fascist 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.640 project right. Instead of addressing material conditions under capitalism to 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.800 improve people's lives, right wing populists will conjure up this 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.000 culture war bilgie Man to blame all of like society's 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.240 problems on and to to talk about the social war 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:21.520 that is contributing to degeneracy. I also think that they're winning, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.760 unfortunately not winning in a broader sense, but in terms 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.920 of um Yes, this is a very unpopular issue that 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.560 they're doubling down on. But I think that you know, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.400 I've I've seen studies where like a higher percentage of 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.440 the US population supports antitrans stuff than did two years ago. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.280 It's still a minority thing to hate trans people, but 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.760 it is a growing minority, yes, which is why, like 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.400 we're talking about how in a lot of ways it's 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.640 easy to be trans in twenty fifteen than it is now. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.560 And kind of on that point, I'm going to play 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.520 the very final clip of Michael Knowles. We will never 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.080 have to hear his voice again, fully, his annoying little voice, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.239 but I'm gonna play a bit of a longer clip 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.520 from him, and this is from his initial like band 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.640 Transgenderism Entirely Rant and I'm only going to play this 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.080 because he actually makes a point that we ourselves have 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.880 made before when discussing this topic. The conservative right is 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:26.040 desperately trying to play catch up. Right, Us who believe 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.440 in like liberation and freedom have been winning historically, and 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.080 the rights getting very scared and desperate. So in response, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.160 they're introducing all of these bills right, and they're they're 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:41.319 accelerating these types of eliminationist rhetoric. But in this clip, 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.760 Michael Knowles provides us with our pathway to victory. We 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.600 cannot simply hold our ground on these issues. We have 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.800 to keep pushing forward because as long as we keep 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.480 going forward and get on the offense, the right will 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.920 be stuck playing a ketch up forever. And it reminds 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.360 us of eight truth and politics that Republicans all too 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:05.320 often forget. You're either on offense or you're on defense. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.400 You're either making gains in the culture or you're losing 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.679 ground in the culture. There's no standing still, there's no 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.800 status quo, there's no neutrality. And what the Conservatives have 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.560 screwed up on for at least fifty years now, probably more, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.760 is the Libs make some crazy aggressive play and then 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.200 we try to dial it back by about five to 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.360 ten percent, or worse, we try to slow it down 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.680 by about five to ten percent. So the Libs attack 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.800 the family through feminism, the fundamental political institution. They claim 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.040 that men and women are basically the same. That takes 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.960 the culture pretty far to the left. And then conservatives 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.160 try to try to inch it back a little bit. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.880 But by the time they're even thinking about inching it back, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.319 the Libs push forward with the normalization of other sexual practices. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.600 They agree with this possi And then by the time 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.679 the Conservatives are trying to dial all that back, they've 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.720 lurched much further to left. They're trying to redefine marriage. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.760 Now they're saying, redefine marriage. Well, I don't know, I 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.199 guess we could come to some kind of terms with 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.880 a civil union. And by the time you say that, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.440 who they lurched even further to the left. Now they're saying, actually, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.560 we've got transgenderism. Actually, now a man can become a woman, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.440 a man can become a woman, okay, but but maybe 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.920 we shouldn't do it till mine. By the time we 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.760 say that, whop, oh my gosh, we're now we're all 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.959 the way off the screen because now they're trying to 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.000 trains the kids, and there are many conservatives never were saying, look, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.400 if you want, if you're a man and you want 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.080 to put on address, that's fine, but just don't do 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.480 it to children. Just don't make me pay for it. No, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.719 that is such an interesting little cliff. No, I mean 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.000 it's funny because this is like kind of this is 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.760 what I've been saying for a long time, since about 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.679 twenty fifteen or so, like looking at the rise all 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.880 this shit and you know, Trump and all that, is 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.400 that we were winning culturally. I hate the word culture 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.440 war and now I means something different. It means arguing 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:55.520 about guns or whatever. But like we were winning on 0:10:55.559 --> 0:11:00.360 a cultural front very dramatically, and like I would point 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.920 to Stephen Universe as the evidence that we are winning, right, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.400 you know, And then they basically had to play to 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.360 their strengths, and he's talking about He's like, look, it's 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:13.760 funny that so much of this is happening on a 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:18.560 cultural front because it is not a conservative strength. They 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.480 have some cards in their hand when it comes to 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.120 cultural stuff, you know, the antimidarity stuff. When it does 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.480 weird anti semitic, you know, almost anti capitalism or whatever. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.560 That's like a strong card they like pulling out all 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.720 the time. But conservatives overall are not very good at 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.280 the cultural thing. But they're good at is politics and violence. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.120 And so they're playing to their immediate strengths as hard 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.200 and fast as they can because they're on their back foot. Yeah, no, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.840 they are. They're they're defaulting to advocating physical violence and 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.240 enforcing their worldview with violence and advocate and doing stuff 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.079 on like the political legislative front, because they've realized just 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.920 screaming about transpeople isn't enough. They have to actually start 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.600 dedicating millions and millions and millions of dollars to pushing 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.680 these through state legislative cycles, which is why The Daily 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.520 Wire has spent the past month and a half harping 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.360 on this so hard as the legislative cycle for twenty 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.040 twenty three is starting to like ramp up. Yeah, and 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.520 I think there's another thing here, which is the sort 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.120 of fundamental disparity, you know, the fact that they've chosen 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.679 this front, right, there's a fundamental disparity in what they 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.720 have to do versus what we have to do, right, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.520 And and this this, this is a giant sort of 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.360 shift in a way that I don't think has we 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.839 don't I don't think the left really has much experience with, right, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.360 which is, like, the thing that is happening in the 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.680 US right now is that we are the cylent majority, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.680 Like this is this is true when when like consistently 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.440 over and over again, when you when you look at 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.600 polling on these issues, right, like just regular people are like, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.480 what the fuck are you guys doing? Right? The problem 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.920 is that you know, we haven't those people haven't been mobilized, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.880 and you know, it doesn't matter if you're a majority 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.920 as long as these sort of like you know, because 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.360 because again like who the actual majority is in the 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.520 US or like who actually what what what actual regular 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.200 people believe has very very little impact on the kinds 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.160 of policies that are that are that are sort of enacted. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.000 But you know, but there's a second sort of issue here, right, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.880 which is the conservatives have like, because of the fact 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.040 that we are right now of the sort of silent majority, 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.720 that we have a kind of I guess you know, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.120 the gram syn thing would be like hegemony, right, but 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.840 like we have we have an advantage in just how 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.920 average people behave. Right, they have to kill us. They 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.600 have to fucking kill us. They have to make it 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.520 legal for us to exist. And they could do this 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.920 right there, there is a there is a real there 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.920 is a real possibility that they can win. Right. They 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.720 are winning on this rent right now. This is this 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.600 is what they are, you know, in the places where 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.480 they have power. This is what they are doing. All 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.600 we really have to do is survive. Because if if 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.360 we revive and we're able to stop them, you know, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:04.760 I mean, even if we don't get sort of like 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.640 Argentina style, like we're gonna have like like hiring mandates 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.920 for trans people. Like even if we just hold the 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.440 ground that we already have, we will win inevitably. Right 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.880 Like the sort of march of where of where the 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.360 culture has been going will favor us. Trans people will 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.120 be able to sort of exist in public. Trans people 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.440 will be able to survive unless they kill us right now. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.280 And that's that's that's sort of that's the sort of 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.160 the key thing that that Knowles has realized, right is 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.880 that this is the critical moments where either we win 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.880 and we in trans people get to continue our lives, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.000 or they kill us I would argue that it's not 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.000 just kill us. I think that even though we're listening 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.080 to all this exterminationist rhetoric, I think that the odds 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.080 are that most of these people don't actually envision a 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.240 future where they're like rounding us up and putting us 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.000 in camps and gassing us. I think that overall, it's 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.000 a drive back into the closet. I actually I actually 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.680 take them at their word that they want to destroy transgenderism, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.720 and if transgender people have to die along the way, 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.240 that's on us. But if we, you know, put on 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.040 appropriate clothing and shut the fuck up, like, I actually 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.800 think that that would suit them just fine. So I 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.920 actually think they have to kill transgenderism. I think that's 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.200 true now, but I don't know how true that is 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.720 as they keep actually having to implement. But there they 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.280 don't think being trans actually exists though, right like they 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.520 they think it just is people doing these things. So 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.640 as long as trans people are able to, for one, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.000 maybe even not even realize their trans to like repress 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.160 that and just live their lives as if they were 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.320 as this person, that that that is all that that 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.720 that's what conservatives think trans people already are and I 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.720 think that that is a large part. That is a large, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.000 large part of it is making us just not able 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.280 to be trans in public life at all in any capacity. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.320 I think that's true. But I don't I don't think 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.400 they can. I don't think their political path allows them 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.920 to maintain that position. Like I don't. I don't think 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.640 they can, like I like, you know what, one of 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.280 the things that's happening with with right right now is 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.760 they're they're they're they're doing this feedback loop right where 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.040 they get you know, like like where where they're they're 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.560 sort of media people right or are continuously radicalized by 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.360 their base, and their base radicalizes them back. And I 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.480 don't I don't think they can maintain an equilibrium position 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.560 that doesn't involve like we have to hunt all these 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.640 people down to make sure they don't go after our kids, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.440 like I know, I don't don't think they're gonna I 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:30.880 don't think they're doing that now. I don't think they're 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.880 planning that now. But it's it's I don't know how 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.440 they can keep up this cycle without eventually getting to 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.600 something like that. Well, it's worth it's worth being prepared 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.760 for that type of possibility, But The kind of thing 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.720 that I feel like, really strongly about with all of 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.200 this is to like really not like the sky is falling, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.600 but it's not falling the way that we sometimes say 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.200 it is. And and when we say this guy is 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.120 falling in a way that people look around, they're like, oh, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.240 just know how this guy is falling to me, then 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.120 people get like, well, actually, I think you all are 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.720 being hyperbolic, right, And so I think that we do 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:11.160 need to be really clear that they are open to 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.840 the possibility of mass murdering us, and they are actively 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.520 discussing individual acts of violence being very justified against us. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.760 But currently I believe the thing that they are trying 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:29.240 to do is eradicate the concept of being trans as 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:33.520 a thing you can do in American society. And of course, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.480 like there's a lot of people who believe in death 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.680 before detransition, and all fucking power to I don't even 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.000 know where I fall in all this shit. I'm not 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.800 trying to. I literally don't want to opine about it 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.840 because I don't want to give anyone. I don't want 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.800 to tell anyone to do about that shit. Right, Everyone 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.320 makes their own decisions about closeting, not closeting based on 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:57.119 their own positions, you know, But I think we do 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.200 have to be like careful about it. And I think 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.320 one of the reasons because from my point of view, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.000 they have picked trans people not because they care so 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.280 much about us, but because we're a wedge issue. You know. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.719 We saw this in like, um, actually I don't want 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.480 to name them because I don't want to get or whatever, 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.680 like different large coalitions of LGBT people were perfectly willing 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.200 to drop the T twenty years ago if in order 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.600 to get certain like equal rights ship passed. They just 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.640 like straight up like trans people did all this fucking 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.040 work organizing for this ship. As soon as it got 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.280 to like higher up level in the government, they were like, oh, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.160 trans people, that's gonna be a problem. Well it, We're 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.399 gonna take them off of there, right And you know, 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.840 and because we are a wedge issue, and we always 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.879 have been, and I think the Nazis used us in 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:49.840 a very similar way. But even within US there's transit sory, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.879 there's wedge issues within that, and so sports was the 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.040 first wedge issue. I actually believe I was reading this earlier, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.480 but I wasn't reading it for this, So I didn't 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.879 take notes. I believe that the majority already of Americans 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.760 do not believe that trans people should be able to 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:08.440 compete in high school sports based on their preferred gender. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.159 I'm under the impression that is a minority position to 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.240 be trans supportive of trans athletes in school, and so 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.200 that is the wedge issue that they used to open 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.080 up this divide in order to then come at us. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.359 But we're still just a wedge issue. And one of 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.920 the reasons I think it's so important for people to 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.720 understand us as a wedge issue is so that people understand, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.480 like really clearly that they are not fucking stopping with us. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.480 You know, this is like absolutely about like you can 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.119 hear it and that guy talking because one of the 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.280 other things he's talking about is he's talking about like 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.720 women need to get back in the kitchen and be 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.119 obedient to their husbands and shit. And one of the 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.080 reasons that trans people scare them so much is because 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.040 we like, like it's so funny because like largely, by 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.040 and large, like trans men are left out of this 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.199 discussion and trans women are seeing these like evil monsters 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.119 or whatever, right, but trans men are absolutely part of 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.959 it because massive massive threat, absolutely, because it's stealing women 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.840 from them. It is stealing their fucking wives that they 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.000 want to have. They want to fucking own women, and 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.160 like so they can't handle the idea of anyway whatever. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.120 I know a lot of a lot of the things 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.240 they get so mad about is when they see a 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.639 young transgai on TikTok and they're like, look, sorry, this 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.560 is going to be like gross, but like, look at 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:32.239 this potentially beautiful woman who's now been ruined, Like just horrible, horrible, horrible, right, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.600 But that is we have so many grown men, like 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.919 thirsting over fourteen year old like a fab people who 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.879 are who are deciding that hey, maybe I want to 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.160 start HRT, maybe I want to use different pronouns, maybe 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.000 I want to have a binder and this they get 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.960 so so mad at that. And I think a big 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.919 part of not not simply I think I think it 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.119 is truly not enough just to hold our ground. We 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.960 have to keep going forward, and a big part of 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.960 that is having more intersectionality with transmasculine people. A big 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.159 part of that is having a much much more of 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.280 a focus on gender nonconforming people and non binary people. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.680 Um because we have we have to keep pushing it forward. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.200 We cannot simply hold our ground on this because if 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.479 if we simply hold our ground, they can pull out 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.760 the rug from from under us. UM. So I think 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.159 that is that is that is a massive part of this, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.360 and I think I do believe that we will win. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.800