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Speaker 1: with Laura Krantz. Can I call you a bigfoot expert?

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Speaker 1: You don't like that? I'm not, You're not, But I

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Speaker 1: So I thought if I could say there's a bigfoot expert, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think would you like to go by it? Because

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Speaker 1: It was Jack Hit, you know, the writer Jack Hit.

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Speaker 1: The name is familiar, but keep going. Um, he wrote

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that about He's a humorist, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jack Hit like makes points. You know, he also has

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Speaker 1: He was, and he was also a legit anthropologist, and

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00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: he probably would have had a lot more to say

425
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: to you about Clovis points than I can possibly. I

426
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to listen to anything he said because

427
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: he was a bigfoot person. That's unfortunate, because he actually

428
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: did make good findings in the field of anthropology, but

429
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: then negated him. Do you think so? I don't think so.

430
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: The one finding I do know about is he his name,

431
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: His name is Grover Krantz. In reading like in starting

432
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: up to talk to you. You can't type in like

433
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: no Bigfoot evidence without finding out about Grover Cranps. He's

434
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: he's considered one of the four horsemen of Sasquatchery, which

435
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal phrase that I would like to try

436
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: and use every day from here on out, if possible. Um,

437
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: there's him and three other old dudes, all of them

438
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: are dead but won a guy named Peter Byrne who

439
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: is ninety three years old and still looking for Bigfoot

440
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: but spent his formative is in the Himalaya looking for

441
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: the Yetti because he's got I do an interview with him,

442
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: a bonus one, and like his stories are crazy, Well,

443
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: can you explain that real quick? Is that how it

444
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: goes is that the Yetti is from down south and

445
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: then no, note the south come on like the oh no, Hey,

446
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: there have been Bigfoot sightings in every state but Hawaii

447
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: because Bigfoot can't swim that far. Yetti. Yeah, that's what

448
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm asking about. Um, they're cousins, they're there, if if

449
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: if they're real. The idea is that they're sort of

450
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: branched off from some part of the tree way on

451
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: back and that's a white Bigfoot. Yeah, I'm not sure entirely.

452
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: What the what all of the didn't some dude turn

453
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: off at the top of the Yeti's head and it

454
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: had white hair on it. I mean, like like all

455
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: Bigfoot things, that was a hoax, like a demonstrated to

456
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: be yes, well, no surprise there, Um, I don't. I

457
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that story. There is a story about someone

458
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: turning up with a hand at one point. In fact,

459
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: it was Peter Byrne. He was in the Himalaya and

460
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: he was at some Buddhist temple and they said, hey,

461
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: we've got a Yetti hand, come take it, check it out.

462
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: And he came and looked at him his huge hand

463
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: with these giant nails on it, and he's like, I

464
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: want to take that back, and they're like, no, no, no,

465
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: it's a holy symbol. You can't have it. And he

466
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: tells this story way better. So he flies back to London.

467
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: This is in the sixties, when you know all you're

468
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: doing is cabling back and forth, and this is when

469
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: big Foot was getting fashionable. This is yeah, this is

470
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: before he even knew about Bigfoot. This was still Yetti.

471
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: There was a guy named Tom Slick who was a

472
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: Texas oilman who financed all these expeditions first and in

473
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: the Himalaya and then in the United States, and they

474
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: died in a plane crash in nineteen six two and

475
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: his family was like, okay, we're done with this. Pulled

476
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: all the money and that was the end of those

477
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: those particular expeditions. The hand, Yeah, So the hand, uh

478
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: Peter Peter Burne, this guy talked to cable Tom Slick says,

479
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: they've got this hand up here, and Tom says, well,

480
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: can you bring it back? This is all cables going

481
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: back and forth, and Peter's like, no, you know, they

482
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: this is a holy relic for them, and he said,

483
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: come to London. So they go to London. They meet

484
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: with the prosector of the London Zoo and the guy says, here,

485
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: give them this hand. Instead pulls a hand out from

486
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: under the table where they're having lunch, in a brown

487
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: paper bag. And so Peter takes that hand back to

488
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: the Himalaya and gets a finger off of this hand

489
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: that's there, that's supposed he has a yetie hand brings

490
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: it back to London. And that's a whole story in

491
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: and of itself. But I'm gonna involves Jimmy Stewart and

492
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: smuggling stuff out of the country. It's crazy Jimmy Stewart. Yeah.

493
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: Do you ever see How the West is one? Do

494
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: I need to? Yeah? Okay, should I write that down?

495
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: He plays a frontiersman someone. I'll forget that. You know,

496
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: it's Christmas movie, right, it's a wonderful life I've never seen. Uh,

497
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful wife. Flopped at the box office? Did it? Really? People?

498
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: Like a production and company went out of business over

499
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: What a failure? This is what everybody talks about. What

500
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: a great movie it is? What was it was resurrected.

501
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. And every time I say that,

502
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: people I think I'm a communist. Yeah I think so. Yeah,

503
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: two strikes against you? Christmas? How many do I get?

504
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Christmas story has the same story? Then it was a

505
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: it was a flop the leg lamb. Yeah, I think

506
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm popping my peace a little bit, am I. Christmas story?

507
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah flopped? Yeah, Yeah, it's a wonderful life flop. And

508
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: it was made by returning you know, it's one of

509
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: It was a director who was returning from World War Two. Yeah,

510
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: and he had been profoundly impacted by things he saw

511
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: in World War Two and came home and made its

512
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a Wonderful Life and the flop and it was like devastating,

513
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: but then it became you know, it's a classic. Every

514
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: American family watches every year. Yeah except mine. Every America

515
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: should watch every Well, we're reading, We're busy reading, Karl Marks.

516
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful life. I'm Jimmy Stewart. Threw me for

517
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: a loop. Yeah, that Jimmy Stewarts involved in this. Yeah.

518
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: So anyway, Jimmy Stewart helped smuggle this finger out back

519
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: to London where they, you know, examined it, and the

520
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: guy at the zoo said, I, you know, it just

521
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: doesn't look like any specimen I'm familiar with. Put it

522
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: in a drawer and then it disappeared for years and

523
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years. Genetics. Yeah, well

524
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: then they found it and it was in his private

525
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: lab at the back of some building in the zoo,

526
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and they dug it out and they ran genetics on

527
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: it and it was Peter Byrne's DNA that was all

528
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: over it, which was really kind of interesting. So even

529
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: though he'd handled it decades before, I think they did

530
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: the DNA testing in two thousand thirteen. He's DNA was

531
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: still like coating it, which is fascinating stuff to um.

532
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: They think it was human. I think it was human.

533
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: It's just like some guy with a really big hand.

534
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh I know, right, not. Yeah, it does. It helps.

535
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: It helped feed the legend for decades. Right. Anyway, back

536
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: to Grover. My relatives over cransans the same last name. Yeah,

537
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: and and and what is the what is the relationship?

538
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: He is my grandfather's cousin. So I didn't know who

539
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: he was. He had gotten this big right up in

540
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: the Washington Post because he donated. First, he donated his

541
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: body to the Tennessee Body Farm, which is where they

542
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: run forensic analysis. They'll take bodies that have been donated

543
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: and they'll leave him in a field or in a

544
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: pond or in a trunk of a car and see

545
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: what happens to them as they decay. And then they

546
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: use that stuff to do forensics on crimes and you know,

547
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: missing persons when they do find a body, that kind

548
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: of thing. So he did that first, and then his

549
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: skeleton went to the Smithsonian Um, along with the bones

550
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: of his three Irish wolfhounds. Yahoo, Ikey and Clyde. Clyde

551
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: was his favorite, and the Washington posted this huge article

552
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: on him, and that's how I found out about him.

553
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was. And then at

554
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: the last section of that article there was this sort

555
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: of I don't know, three or four paragraphs about how

556
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: he was known for driving around the Pacific Northwest with

557
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: a spotlight and a rifle searching for sasquatch. Uh you

558
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that, Grover, you'r kin um? He

559
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: was prepared to he was prepared to do the unspeakable. Yeah,

560
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: he uh. He actually came out and told a reporter

561
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: this because he knew that for science, you have to

562
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: have a type specimen to prove the existence of a species,

563
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: to get it put in the Linnaean system, to get

564
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: it categorized, you have to have, you know, the equivalent

565
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: of a big foot stuck in styrofoam with a big

566
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: pin like that, like the butterfly, like the same kind

567
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: of thing. So he told a reporter this that he

568
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: was prepared to shoot one for the purposes of science.

569
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: That story got syndicated in newspapers all over the country,

570
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: and Grover got so much hate mail that they had

571
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: to resort to a form letter, as did Washington State University,

572
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: where he was a tenured anthropology professor. They were sending

573
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: out letters left and right saying you've misinterpreted this. But

574
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: people were angry, even people who didn't think Bigfoot was

575
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: really over. Like pist Off, I can see both sides

576
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: of it. Tell me, why do I see both sides

577
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: of it? Because sometimes you need to burn a village

578
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: to save it. If you were to prove, if you

579
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: were to prove definitively that there is this species, um,

580
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: it would no doubt lead to a lot of protections,

581
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: legal habitat. Otherwise um and people would have to reckon

582
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: with this reality that grow over believed in. So you're

583
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: killing one. And people like to have this idea that

584
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is like a thing, it's like a singular specimen.

585
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: But you'd have to have here's here's this. This is

586
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: where I start. This is one of the many areas

587
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: in which I start to not believe in Bigfoot, is

588
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: that you'd have to have a breeding population that is

589
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: serve vibed here for tens of thousands of years, and

590
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: so um, there there must be a couple of thousand

591
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: of them in order to carry on. That's one of

592
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the theories. If you look at like you look at

593
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: what it takes the support. I mean, we're talking about

594
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: something that's six pounds. It's enormous um. And then you

595
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: look at what we know about other animals of that size.

596
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: It's very hard to have. It's very hard to maintain

597
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: stable populations of large mammals that are in that. You know,

598
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: you can't carry on for ten thousand years or just

599
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: two or three of them running around. You need a

600
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: breeding population of them. But people like to have this

601
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: idea that it's just this lone wandering thing. I think

602
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: that part of that idea stems from tabloid stuff. What

603
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: ida the idea that there's just one because I hear

604
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: that a lot from from people who aren't bigfoot experts,

605
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: where they just say, oh, is he still alive? Sure,

606
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: But as people who are really steeped in this world,

607
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: they believe that there is a breeding population. The idea

608
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: is roughly two thousand. So there's But then there's been

609
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: bigfoot sightings in all fifty states. Yeah, I don't know

610
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: how many of those came out of the bottom of

611
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: a whiskey bottle. So so big we're getting ahead of ourselves.

612
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: The bigfoot, Bigfoot people, Bigfoot believers. They don't like to

613
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: be called believers. What did they to be called? I

614
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't figured that out yet, but the

615
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: term belief is a bit of a They put that

616
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: with faith. Well, that's we're gonna keep. I want you

617
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: to supply me, supply me. I don't have a better

618
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: one either, And I actually fought I had a lot

619
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: of conversations about this. I'm just saying that belief is

620
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: a hard word for them to swallow, but they actually

621
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: end up using it because they don't have a better one.

622
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Don't have a better one. So Bigfoot believers, like the

623
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: top tier bigfoot researchers are are saying that, like, let's

624
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: just let's go down to core Bigfoot country, the Pacific

625
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: northwest right, northern California, Oregon, Washington. It seems like Bigfoot

626
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: ground zero is the Olympic Peninsula of Washington. I'd say

627
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: up in to Canada. Too open to Canada if you

628
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: were going to consider. So they're they're they're suggesting that

629
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: there are two thousand big Foot's running around that turf.

630
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Is it bigfoot or big feet? Big feet. I don't

631
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: know what they would go, but what do they go? Like,

632
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I say, there, I'm running a poll on this right now.

633
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: There seems to be tied between bigfoot and big foots?

634
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: Is in bigot like deer? Yeah, okay, big Foot's two

635
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: thousand big foots. You know how many grizzly bears are

636
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: in um? You know how many grizzly bears are in

637
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Montana and Wyoming and Idaho? No, about two thousand? You

638
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: know how often people run into those things? How often?

639
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: A lot? Many people? Every day? Many people every day

640
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: You're not not by they get hit by cars, they

641
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: show up in chicken coops, they're in people's backyards, backyards,

642
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: they're down at Yellowstone National Park lingering around. Um. They're

643
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: nowhere near as elusive. But I want to get back

644
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to him shooting one, so you see in both sides. Well,

645
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: first of all, you you wouldn't shoot at a big

646
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: foot if you ran into one, you know, I'm thinking

647
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: about it, Yeah, especially after listening to uh Laura's podcast. Definitely,

648
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: because you shoot and kill a big foot you have

649
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: to have a specimen. Yeah, dude, I never would do

650
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: that because otherwise we've had this conversation before. Otherwise you

651
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: come back and you're just then another another guy that

652
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like that guy was cool, but now

653
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I'd consider him crazy. And in talking about this before,

654
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I said that if I saw one, I would absolutely

655
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: not kill it, and I would never tell anyone that

656
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: I saw it. I see, I had the same problem

657
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: because if you see one and then you're like, I

658
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: can't tell anyone about this, They're gonna like just think

659
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: I've gone off the deep end. I've been out in

660
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: the woods too long, or I've been around bigfoot people

661
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: too long. Now if I could, if I follow one dead,

662
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: just you know, oh, wrestle that in yeah, shouting that

663
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: from the rooftouse. But no, I wouldn't kill a big foot.

664
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Why not because you, of all people me, of all people. Well,

665
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying because you don't believe, and wouldn't you

666
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: want people to I wouldn't kill one because I just

667
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: don't go off shooting guns and whatnot at things that

668
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't have. That's not what I'm saying. Just because

669
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: you don't because you don't believe, when if you did

670
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: see one, and knowing what the sort of general populace

671
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: thinks of this or what people would think if you

672
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: were to come back and say, you just wouldn't tell anyone,

673
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: You just and then you bury it in the back

674
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: of your mind and never think of it again. Yeah,

675
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. Okay, what else have you

676
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: seen out there that you're not telling this about? Thankfully?

677
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: Thankfully nothing? Okay, thankfully nothing. Um, but no, I wouldn't

678
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: kill one. You're honest. I'm disappointed he would kill one.

679
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel like you'd be in some trouble.

680
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Is that not true? Well, it's not like it's a

681
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: protected species. I believe Grover's saying was, and I don't

682
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: know if I have this correct, but he was the

683
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: first person who shoots one should get a medal, the

684
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: second one should go to jail. So he really from

685
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: a science perspective, he felt you needed to have a

686
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: specimen in order to prove its existence. Now d n

687
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: A would change that to some degree, because if you've

688
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: got d n A off of something and that was

689
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: significantly different from anything else in that phylogenetic tree, then

690
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: you might have more of a case. But even then

691
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they allow you. Well, I don't know

692
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: this for sure. You might be able to name a

693
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: species based on DNA alone now, but but you can't

694
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: do it for footprints, you can't do it for other stuff. Yeah,

695
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Linnaean system. That's like us being Homo

696
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: sapien kingdom phil um class order, family genus. Yes, that's

697
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: like our when you see like the Linnean name, or

698
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: some people call it the Latin name for an animal,

699
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: and there's by like binomial. Yeah. I got a refresher

700
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: on high school biology when I started doing the second episode,

701
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: which is on evolution. Yeah, we haven't. We haven't established

702
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: this yet. Your show. Oh oh right, I have a show. Yeah,

703
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: tell people about that. So the Grover thing got me interested,

704
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: and then I kind of sat on this story for

705
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: a few years. I didn't really know what to do

706
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: with it, but with the background in radio, and then

707
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: when I was living in Denver. When I moved to Denver,

708
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: I found out that Grower's fourth and last wife lived

709
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: about thirty miles away, and I thought, you know what,

710
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go talk to her. And she

711
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: had some good stories about Grower that weren't necessarily Bigfoot related.

712
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: They were just like about an interesting, really kind of

713
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: a fascinating guy. And then she put me in touch

714
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: with a few more people, and by that point I

715
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: was realizing that these interviews were really pretty compereng and

716
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: pretty fun to do, and I was like, I'm going

717
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: to do a podcast, and so that's what I decided

718
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: to do. So I had a podcast started on October two.

719
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: It's called wild Thing, and it's about Grover, this relative

720
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: of mine, and it's about the people who are looking

721
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot and who are spending all kinds of time

722
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: and money and energy. And then it's sort of suspending

723
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: disbelief and saying, Okay, if Bigfoot is a thing, where

724
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: would it fit in the evolutionary tree? How would we

725
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: what does the evidence look like? Um, what are some

726
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: of the encounters that people have had? And then it's

727
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: also looking at the cultural significance of Bigfoot, because even

728
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: for people who don't believe in Bigfoot, don't think Bigfoot's real,

729
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of silly. There is a fascination

730
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: and a lot of companies have tapped into that too.

731
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, um, you know Bigfoot beers and Bigfoot bikes

732
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and a small cooler company called Yeah that's Spaghetti totally different,

733
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: totally different, wouldn't learn anything. Yeah, I mean they're that

734
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: the YETI I think falls into the same category in

735
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: terms of this smifical what's the word crypto? Cryptozogy crypto

736
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: studying stuff that doesn't actually exist? Um, crypto. Well, it's

737
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of secret. I guess I don't know that full.

738
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: I didn't really do the etymology of the word. But yeah,

739
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I want to move on from grow over. But I

740
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: understand like you're the genesis of your interest came from him,

741
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: came from realizing that you were long lost relatives with

742
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: leading bigfoot researcher. Yeah. Not many people get to claim that,

743
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: but I want to. I want to point out something

744
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: that I'm that I'm picking up about Grover. Four wives, right,

745
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: what happened to the other three? No, the first two,

746
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: the first three were divorces. Um, I don't think the

747
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: first two lasted very long. The third one didn't really either,

748
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: and then the fourth one he was married to Diane

749
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: for over twenty years. So a bunch of spouses donates

750
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: his body to be to learn how to study rotting corps.

751
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: His bones and his dogs go to Smithsonian. I'm getting

752
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: the you're painting a picture to me of a person

753
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: who has and like outsized perspective of themselves and who

754
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: is a uh an eccentric and wants people to know

755
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: about it. I think that is probably fair, which is

756
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: also not what you're generally looking for when it comes

757
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: to a researcher that there is some truth to that. However,

758
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I did talk to students and friends and people who

759
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: had worked with him, and he was very well liked

760
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: and well respected. His classes were always full. People loved

761
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: him as a professor. So I don't think he was

762
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: just and you know, egomaniac running around look at me,

763
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: look at me, look at me. And ultimately I feel, well,

764
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the case some you know, some showmen,

765
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: they do stuff because they want people to like them,

766
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: and they want people to pay attention to them and

767
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: respect them and think that they're great. I think Grover

768
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really care what people thought. He just had

769
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of weird ideas and like to pursue them. At

770
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: one point, he was trying to figure out why certain

771
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: human ancestors had this sort of prominent brow ridge. Yeah,

772
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: and so he took a piece of styrofoam and he

773
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: or styrene and he carved a brow and he glued

774
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: it to his forehead, and he walked around campus for

775
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks like that, just to kind of

776
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: try and understand why, what's the point of something like

777
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,920
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778
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that's ultimately what he decided is. You know,

779
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,359
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780
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,359
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834
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Speaker 1: like all the way that just conspiracy theory and like

835
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Speaker 1: people who are a little unplugged from reality. Um, you know,

836
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Speaker 1: it's tabloid. It's like Bigfoot had my baby headlines on

837
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Speaker 1: the Weekly World News and the National Enquirer. My one

838
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Speaker 1: movie that I'd ever seen was Harry and the Henderson's Yes,

839
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be your relative. The guy with the

840
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Speaker 1: gun trying to kill bigh That is uh. The guy

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Speaker 1: who's supposed to be closest to Grover is Walter. What

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843
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Speaker 1: guy who's like, I'm never going to see a big

844
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: Foot and then he like turns and looks and there's

845
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: Harry right there. I forget what his name is. That

846
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: was your relatively supposedly loosely modeled on Grover, and the

847
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: gun guy was modeled on a guy named Renee to

848
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: hint and who was a Swiss immigrant to Canada and

849
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: was supposedly a little unhinged. But I also don't know

850
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: how closely these hued to their actually yeah, just like

851
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: but maybe informed the It's like in Jaws, um in Jaws,

852
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: the the Shark Hunter has modeled off of Frank Mundus,

853
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: who was a guy in Montalk who would take people

854
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: out to kill big as sharks and would wear the

855
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: teeth and Okay, I don't think I knew that was, like, yeah,

856
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: he was. He was. Spielberg modeled okay, took attributes from

857
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: Frank Mundus yea, and called the monster man informed that

858
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: informed that character. So is there a conspiracy you mentioned

859
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: like you thought of it as conspiracy theory stuff, But

860
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: there's no like conspiracy like Bigfoot. Bigfoot people think the

861
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: government's hiding the truth. Well, so here's the other thing

862
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: I learned Bigfoot people from the outside, it's a monolith.

863
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: When you start in sigating a little bit more, it

864
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of starts to divide into smaller groups. So there

865
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: is a group similar to Grover who are looking at this.

866
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: You know, Bigfoot is a a m undocumented primate. It's

867
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: flesh and blood. It's beholden to the same laws of

868
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: physics and nature that the rest of us are. Then

869
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: there's a whole group that are like Bigfoot was dropped

870
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: off by aliens. It can move through dimensions, which is

871
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: why you don't see it because you'll like see the rustling,

872
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: and then it moves into another dimension and then you're

873
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: not seeing it anymore, but it can still see you,

874
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: and it can you know, it's got telepathy and you know,

875
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: you know what Mitch the comedian Mitch Hedberg, Uh, he's

876
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: blurring around the edges, which I didn't know that joke,

877
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and I used that. I was like, I thought I

878
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: was so clever. I was like, look at this funny

879
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: joke that I wrote, and I put it into the

880
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: third episode and then someone's like, Mitch Hedberg wrote that joke,

881
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: but there's no new material out there. I was reminded

882
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: of it by the third dimensional, like the third dimensional

883
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: idea that that so there are people that they both

884
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: dimension actually because we're moving through Yeah, you're three dimension Okay,

885
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: so there's that's so does a school thought that grow

886
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: over occupied it's a species. It's just it's been an

887
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: undocumented subject to all the things that we're subject to.

888
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: And then there's people who are like, no, it's it's supernatural, paranormal,

889
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not beholden to the laws of

890
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: physics and nature, which I just I didn't spend any

891
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: time looking into that, because if you decided to suspend

892
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: the laws of physics for Bigfoot, you probably ought to

893
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: do it for everything else. To a Native American man explained,

894
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: because we dog on big Foot a lot. A Native

895
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: American man explained to me. Um wrote a letter to

896
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: me once trying to explain sort of the position that

897
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: that they didn't call it bigfoot, but there was there's

898
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: a Native American tradition about this large Yeah, and he

899
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: explained it in that way, like he used the term

900
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: of a shape shifter, like a sort of magical creature,

901
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: and that was the way it was discussed. Yeah, And

902
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that there's a lot of creatures in

903
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Native American folklore, in a Native American stories, that are

904
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: everyday creatures that are imbued with these kinds of magical qualities.

905
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: Um Grower's theory was well with those, if you strip

906
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: out all the magical stuff, you have the animal. So

907
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: he thought maybe Bigfoot would be the same kind of thing,

908
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: like coyote was a trickster or raven or you know,

909
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: thunderbird they think was the condor, which apparently should be

910
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: extinct according to John Muellum. Oh yeah, I guess people

911
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: riled up. Does it strike that from the record. So

912
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: that's all I've been meaning to talk about more at

913
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: some point, more condor thoughts. So we've got a lot

914
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: of condor feedback we talked about, Um is there another variety?

915
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: So you have the magic, the metaphysical Bigfoot, and then

916
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: within there's also some people who think there is an

917
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: actual government or logging industry cover up. The idea being

918
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: that's similar with the spotted owl, is something like Bigfoot

919
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: actually is proved to exist in the forest of the

920
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. Well, ship, you're not going to be can

921
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: I swear? Yeah? I'll try and cut it out and

922
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: get carried away. Um, we you know we can't go

923
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: in there and log anymore. It's going to ruin our industry.

924
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if they did that for the owl, what

925
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: are they going to do for Bigfoot? So there's a

926
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy idea that either the Forest Service or

927
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: the logging industry is somehow involved in covering this stuff

928
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: up because they want to keep on business as usual,

929
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: all right. That brings up something that brings up a

930
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: real problem for me with something in your show that

931
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: I feel like it needs better explanation early on and

932
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: without giving too much way to the listeners. Early on

933
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: in your series on Bigfoot, you go out with some

934
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: fellers to investigate some Bigfoot nests and they explained to you,

935
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: and I had a very hard time with this. They

936
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: explained to you that a timber cruiser, like a person

937
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: who assesses timber ahead of a timber harvest, see like

938
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, timber cruiser would go out and would be like,

939
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: you know, does cutting is cutting here warranted? How many

940
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: board feed are here? What's the except around the tree

941
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: accessibility of the timber? That the timber cruiser goes out

942
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: and finds bigfoot nests and these individuals bigfoot people suggest

943
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: to you that they then called off the timber harvest

944
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: in order to give them a couple of years to

945
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: do research on the big foot nests and locked off

946
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: all access to the area on the Olympic Peninsula. Locked

947
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: off all access to the area in order to allow

948
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: them to carry out their research. And only they can

949
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: go into the area. Really mhm. The land was already gated.

950
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: It was private timberland, okay, So it wasn't like it

951
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: was for a it was private forest land. This guy

952
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: was out and it's his family's land. And so this

953
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: guy was out doing, you know, looking for timber and

954
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: figuring out like what the cut was going to be

955
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: on this particular plot, and then came across this stuff

956
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: found the nests, called an the Department of Natural Resources

957
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: from Washington and called an the Olympic Project. Now my

958
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: feeling is is if you called an the Olympic Project

959
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: is probably because you already have some sort of ideas

960
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: about bigfoot in your mind, because they're they're Bigfoot research.

961
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: They're Bigfoot Research, very nice people, very down to earth.

962
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: They run some really interesting programs that actually, um, well

963
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: we can get to this later. But I like the

964
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: idea that some of the stuff that happens with bigfoot

965
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: research is people get trained to recognize animal calls, to

966
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: recognize things in the woods, so they're not assuming that

967
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: everything out there is a bigfoot. But that's kind of

968
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: a sidebar. Anyway, uh DNR came out and Olympic Project

969
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: came out, and everyone's kind of looking at these things

970
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: is thinking I don't know what they are. And so

971
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: the timber guy, because it's his family's land, said, you know,

972
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: we'll log somewhere else. You get five years. What did

973
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: the why don't they allow anyone to photograph the big

974
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: foot nests. Oh they will, They just wouldn't let me.

975
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: How far are the big can google? If you google

976
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: Bigfoot nests Olympic Peninsula, you'll find them online. No problem. Pictures, Okay,

977
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: how can you just give us a rough sketch? I'd say, yeah,

978
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: eight nine ten diameter, like they're pretty, they're they're woven,

979
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: They're like a bird's nest. Now, I saw them two

980
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: and a half years in three years in after they

981
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: had been found, and they were pretty degraded, but you

982
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: could still tell that they had been woven up the

983
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: edges and up the sides. Um, and why hasn't anyone

984
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: just run Why hasn't anyone run genetic swabs on these

985
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: things they have? That's in the podcast there and what

986
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: what what? What is the This isn't running until after

987
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: December four? Right? Correct? Okay? What species is it that

988
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: left the um? They found? Any kind of species you

989
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: would have expected in the Pacific Northwest? Uh? The only

990
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: primate they found was human, real human human human, not

991
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: close to human. And then they found horse, which was

992
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of weird, but somebody probably tracked that in on

993
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: their boots and so it was contamination so these were

994
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: run at a lab in New York, probably whoever made

995
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: the nest or these guys out there cutting samples out

996
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: of it, because it's going to be very unless you

997
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: go in like your and even crime scenes get cross

998
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: contaminated all the time, unless you're going in and like

999
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: a full level four biohazard suit. Um yeah, yeah. Any

1000
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if if that finger that Peter Burne touched

1001
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: seventy years ago, the Yettie hand still had his DNA

1002
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: on it, that stuff could have been there for But

1003
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: when you usually when you pull DNA from a bone

1004
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: usually go in, you know, you go into a very

1005
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: control old atmosphere and pull material from inside of the

1006
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: bone where you don't have as much surface contamination. Well

1007
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: they did, they took big pie shaped wedges out of

1008
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: the nests. They bagged them up um, but there were

1009
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: some problems with the materials still having moisture in it,

1010
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: so you know that hastens um degradation of samples. And

1011
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: then they also did not do DNA testing on the

1012
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: nests immediately. They waited a few years. So wind and

1013
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: rain and sun and all the rest of that had

1014
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: also done some some damage to it, so you know,

1015
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: and that that sort of has people holding out hope

1016
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: that Okay, maybe these samples were contaminated and so we

1017
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: didn't get everything we needed out of it, or maybe

1018
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: whatever Bigfoot is, it's so closely related to humans that

1019
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: we're perceiving this human DNA as contamination but it's actually Bigfoot. Okay,

1020
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: can you lay out just like like totally, like just

1021
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: straight face, like never mind mind negativity, Like layoff for me.

1022
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: What in the community, in the Bigfoot community, what are

1023
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: the biggest like in the Bigfoot community, what are the

1024
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: right now sort of the hot pieces of evidence, like

1025
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: right now, like what is the you know, if you're

1026
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: really gonna sit down and present at a conference of

1027
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: of of of scientists, Okay, you're going to present and

1028
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: you get the best, brightest mind from the Bigfoot world,

1029
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: and he needs to come in and be like this

1030
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: is real. We need to pay attention to this. What

1031
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: are the three or four things that he's gonna lay

1032
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: out for us, um the Patterson Gimblan I'm not he

1033
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: or she will lay out for us. The Paterson Gimblin

1034
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: film will always come up. This is that nine seven

1035
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: footage Extremely Shaky was shot in the Six Rivers National

1036
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Forest area of northern California, so sort of near Eureka

1037
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Willow Creek. UM. That is always held up as being

1038
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: a piece of evidence. Um. It's called the Pa Person

1039
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: Gimblin film, and you have seen it. Everybody has seen it,

1040
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: or they've at least seen the still from it, which

1041
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: is the big foot sort of one hand in front,

1042
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: one hand behind, looking back over its shoulder. But didn't

1043
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: that didn't the big Foot? Wasn't that person? They were

1044
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: going out to film a big foot. They were out

1045
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: if so Roger Patterson, Yeah, I know. Roger Patterson and

1046
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Bob Gimlin were down there looking the tracks. There had

1047
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: been tracks found in that area around some um logging

1048
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: equipment that had been put in over a weekend, and

1049
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: then the loggers came back in on a Monday morning

1050
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: and there were these tracks, and everybody got all kerfuffled

1051
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: about this. So Roger Patterson and Bob Gimblin came down

1052
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: from the Yakama, Washington area and spent three weeks, three

1053
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: or four weeks out there just kind of looking around.

1054
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: But yes, the fact that they were out looking for

1055
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Roger happened all running a camera adds questions

1056
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: to it. The flip side is, no one has ever

1057
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: brought the suit out, the suit that was worn in

1058
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: that film. And there's some questions about something that is seen,

1059
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: like someone can see a clasp and they argue that

1060
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: it was dry dung. That's a new one. I haven't

1061
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: heard that one. I don't know. But this is the thing.

1062
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: If you go to the if you go to the

1063
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: Patterson Giblin, WI Wikipedia page, we'll see you next year,

1064
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: Like you'll be in there. Every link that could you

1065
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine. It's one of the deepest rabbit holes

1066
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: I've ever spent time in. And I just finally I

1067
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: was like, I can't, I'm done. I have to move

1068
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: on to something else. Um. But three different people have

1069
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: claimed to be the guy in the suit. No one's

1070
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 1: details match anyone else's details. It's just there's a lot

1071
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: of like questioning about it in the same way that

1072
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: there is about a lot of the other other evidence,

1073
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: like what is real, what is not. They still hold

1074
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: that famous because no one has disproved it, so they

1075
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: still put it up as being a significant piece of evidence.

1076
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: There were also footprints taken from the creature that day

1077
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: there's plaster casts and those are around as well, and

1078
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: seen as there's a I think it's the meta is

1079
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: that the metataurs break. It basically is the break halfway

1080
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: in the foot where it would be bending, whereas if

1081
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: these were fake feet, they would have been you know,

1082
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: flat on the ground, and this has a break in

1083
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: it so it looks like it's got pressure, so that

1084
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, the on that foot anatomy and and mobility

1085
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: is brought into play there. Yeah, so it's like these

1086
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: little tiny bits that those are the kinds of things

1087
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: where you're like, well and they're hanging, they hang on

1088
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: to that one the you know the other. The other

1089
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: thing that's brought up a lot is how many footprints

1090
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: they're actually are, and the idea that someone could be

1091
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: hoaxing all of those and being you know, out there

1092
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: with fake feet seems impossible. So if you've got one

1093
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: one hand, all these fake footprints and they're all fake,

1094
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: and on one on the other hand, it's like bigfoot.

1095
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: Both seem equally silly. But what seems more likely, well,

1096
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: they tend to sink. Bigfoot is more likely. Um, what

1097
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: are some of the other ones, I mean, the DNA,

1098
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hope being held out for DNA stuff,

1099
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: and who knows if that will ever turn anything up.

1100
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: It would be helpful if they could actually get samples

1101
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: of something that is is different from you know, bear

1102
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: poop or human DNA or dear hair, because a lot

1103
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: of samples get sent in and then some guys saying,

1104
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: oh I saw this weird thing out in the woods,

1105
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: and then sends in the sample and then it ends

1106
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: up being the same as nothing, nothing unusual. Yeah, I

1107
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: want to come back to good pieces of and unless

1108
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, are there anymore? Are there any like real

1109
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: zingers right now? The print? I know there's a body

1110
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: print from two thousand where someone put out some fruit bait.

1111
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it slipped and it is impressure the

1112
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: butt print. I think that one's called I can't remember what.

1113
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: And someone proposed this scookomb cast that's that one. And

1114
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: someone proposed that he the bigfoot in getting the bait,

1115
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave trap, that they don't like to

1116
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: leave tracks, and so he approached the bait somehow, laying down,

1117
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: and someone pointed out, well, if he doesn't want to

1118
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: leave footprints, it seems that he would also not want

1119
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: to leave a large body impression of himself. It seems fair.

1120
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: And that was in two thousand and that was researched

1121
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: by the big Foot Field Research Organization. Familiar with them. Yes,

1122
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: that was a group started by a guy named Matt Moneymaker,

1123
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: who I know is not a great name, it's his

1124
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: actual name. I did any him. He was on UM

1125
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: Finding Bigfoot, that TV show that was you know, ran

1126
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: like nine seasons, seven years, nine seasons something like that

1127
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 1: UM and was extremely popular. We were talking a minute

1128
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: about d NA UM and if if more evidence comes up,

1129
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: let's come back to evidence. But we're talking about DNA,

1130
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: which brings up this question of what is the idea

1131
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: of like what is it? How did it get here?

1132
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: Do they believe that it DNA? I was like, I

1133
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: can't help that. Okay, Again, imagine that that Bigfoot people

1134
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: are in explaining this UM in a in a you know,

1135
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: in a symposium. There's sort of two theories on this

1136
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: UM that I found sort of. I mean, I again,

1137
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: the stuff I did in this was very big foot

1138
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: one oh one. So there's much more elaborate theories out there.

1139
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: But the way I saw it was, there's people who

1140
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: think that that bigfoot would be closely related to humans,

1141
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: would be descended from an ancient human ancestor. Um. There's

1142
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: a guy named Jeff Meldrum who is a professor of

1143
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: anthropology at Idaho State University. He's kind of picked up

1144
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: the mantle from Grover, my relative as being the academic

1145
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: bigfoot guy, and he thinks it's probably descended from an

1146
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 1: ancient human relative and you know, branched off a couple

1147
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: million years ago and pasted the bearing land bridge um

1148
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: or passed through Bryingio and arrived here ahead of humans. No,

1149
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: when you know, I don't remember what he said about

1150
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: how it ended up in Yeah, No, it would have

1151
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: come here around the same time as humans. It would

1152
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: have been following along the same time as everyone else.

1153
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: So the interesting one of the interesting things I learned

1154
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: during this process was about evolution. And the idea for

1155
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: a long time was the evolution was a straight line

1156
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: that we you know, it was this slowly evolving line

1157
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: from primitiveness to perfection. And that's not the case. That

1158
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's a shrub. Basically, there's all these different

1159
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: offshoots and branches and things that like you know, looked

1160
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: like they were promising and then just poof kind of

1161
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: died out, and at one point in time there was

1162
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: as many as like eight or nine hominid species walking

1163
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: around the planet at the same time. Yeah, you get

1164
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: in the area of um around the southern Mediterranean, in

1165
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: the Middle East, in northern Africa, and there's just all

1166
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: kinds of different Dennis Evans and Neanderthal and homle Forlorensiensis,

1167
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: and I mean, there's just lots of different things. It's

1168
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of like nature throwing spaghetti at the wall and

1169
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: seeing what sticks to some degree. But many of these

1170
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: things had like enormously long you know, like Neanderthal's were

1171
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: in Neanderthals. Yeah, I know, but it's like, you know

1172
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: what you mean, there's certain things, there's certain things you

1173
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: know they're right and you don't care anyway, but you

1174
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: don't do it because it just winds up making a

1175
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: statement about itself. Like there's certain words you struggle with,

1176
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: like like the niche or it's niche, right, So you

1177
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: wind up being like, Okay, I get I understand it's

1178
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: supposed to do it this way, like buffalo and bison. Yeah,

1179
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: I struggle with it all the time. Um, So I'm

1180
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: just gonna go Neanderthal. Okay, that's fine. That's what I'm

1181
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: not gonna judge you, Um, knowing that I should that

1182
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it right. That they had, that they occupied,

1183
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: you're for far longer than modern humans. If they were

1184
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: there for there were six thousand years. So to call

1185
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: him a failure, it's like by what measure right? And

1186
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're a failure necessarily. Um, that's not

1187
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: what I was trying to imply in the least. But

1188
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: what's interesting and what they found out in recent years

1189
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: is they may not have in fact died out. They

1190
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: may have just inner bread and now like you could

1191
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: do those twenty three and me ancestry dot Com DNA

1192
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: tests and people are like, oh, I'm I have I

1193
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: have less than average, I have less than average Neanderthal

1194
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: intro aggression. And it turns out that, um, what does

1195
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: that mean for you? Nothing? But was surprised the dickens

1196
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: out of me. Was I always thought I was one

1197
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:57,440
Speaker 1: fourth Sicilian and you weren't well like Italian, two North African.

1198
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, And it's it's all gets I mean,

1199
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: this is a hard This all gets so complicated because

1200
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of how accurate is all kinds of

1201
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: things in your lineage that don't pass down, you know,

1202
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: friendly like it's it's just it's alder conversation. But yeah,

1203
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: I took note of being less Neanderthal than average for

1204
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 1: the number of people who have submitted themselves to the testing,

1205
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: but still a little bit. So yeah that Neanderthals. Yeah

1206
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: they didn't. It wasn't like the last one one day

1207
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: faded away and died. There're somehow interbreeding with modern humans. Yeah.

1208
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, the idea is that maybe Bigfoot is another

1209
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,440
Speaker 1: one of these like relic comminated species that has existed

1210
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: and traveled a long damn ways. Well pretty much most

1211
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: most humanids did travel fair distances, but that's a long ways.

1212
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: It's a long ways. Um. And then the other theory

1213
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: is that Bigfoot is descended further back on the evolutionary

1214
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: tree and is more closely related to primates and is

1215
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: descended from an ancient Asian ape called Gigantipithecus, of which

1216
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: there is very little information. They have some jaws and

1217
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: like several her teeth, several thousand teeth, and that's it.

1218
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: They don't have any long bones, they don't have any

1219
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: anything that would really help with descriptor so some people think, okay,

1220
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: giganti pathagus. Look at the size of the jaw, look

1221
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: at the size of the teeth. This thing must have

1222
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: been huge. And some people say, this thing ate a

1223
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of course grass and fibrous plants and needed a

1224
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: big jaw and big teeth to be able to get

1225
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: through that kind of food, and probably wasn't that big.

1226
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: But nobody knows. So everything, all of this stuff is

1227
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: just theoretical. What is the most fashionable idea in the

1228
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: community about what they eat? But the same stuff as bears.

1229
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: It's very omnivorous. That's what I heard over and over again.

1230
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: It's like if it's if an area can support a

1231
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: bear population, it can support a big foot population, and

1232
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: there then that will kill and eat meat. Um. I think,

1233
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a guy. Um. I own a cabin

1234
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: in southeast Alaska, and I bought it from a guy

1235
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: who bought it from a guy who bought it from

1236
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: a guy who had had a big foot who had

1237
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 1: found a nest Prince of Wales Island. And he found

1238
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: the nest because uh, he found the nest because he

1239
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: could smell it I've heard the bigfoot smells very bad.

1240
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: This is actually something that's come up in Yeah, and

1241
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: there's rumor in that part, in those parts that this

1242
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: bigfoot population that exists out on this island, which creates

1243
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: a whole problem for it limited resources unless it's getting

1244
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: they got john boats. It's a huge island like it

1245
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: could support you know, sports, thousands and thousands of black

1246
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: bearris right. Um. But yeah, there's just some these folks

1247
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: feel that there's a sustainable a handful of people that

1248
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: I've run into field, there's a sustainable population of mouth

1249
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: there or that that that's existed over the eons. Um

1250
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: that they like to stick deer up in trees. I've

1251
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: heard that the stashed their deer up in trees. Cougars

1252
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: do that too, though, don't they know they don't stashm trees.

1253
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: They don't know leopards do that. Yeah, that's true, but

1254
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: cougars don't. They bury him at the basis of they

1255
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: scratch up dirt and sticks and leaves and wedges under

1256
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,520
Speaker 1: so they're cashing them. And you say under onto, Oh

1257
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't. That doesn't surprise me. But I

1258
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: haven't heard that. I've never heard of a mountain lion

1259
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: drag and deer up into a tree. We'll say this

1260
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: and then someone's gonna have a bunch of we're gonna

1261
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: get You're gonna get a letter. Yeah, but leopards stash

1262
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: them in trees. Um, what's that going with that? Uh?

1263
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: You a guy had a cabin. He was a believer

1264
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: in the nest. But I had another thing about that.

1265
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: What about it? What was it? What you're talking about?

1266
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: The smell smell that he went by, that he located

1267
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: it based on its odor. Bears in here don't smell

1268
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: very good either. Though. There was a there was a

1269
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: grizzly attack in the park like two years ago, Yellowstone

1270
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: National Park. Um, and it's actually the kid of a

1271
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: friend of my parents, I think, and he just got

1272
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: ripped to shreds. Lived. But he said the things he

1273
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: remembers the most was how bad it smells. Yeah, I've

1274
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: smelled all man or bears. How do they smell? I

1275
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: haven't found it to be pleasant. No, I haven't found

1276
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: it to be on unpleasant ris depends what it had

1277
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: been into. Yeah, I guess how it depends on how

1278
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: close your face could have something I wouldn't be surprised

1279
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: that it would have something all over its fur that

1280
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: might smell like they don't have like a bad like

1281
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: like they don't have like a general odor about like

1282
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 1: a skunker. So I've heard the smell thing a number

1283
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: of times, and you were asking about evidence. The one

1284
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: other thing that still sort of makes me question is

1285
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: the eyewitness accounts that I've heard. Some of them are

1286
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: just crazy. Can hold onto that because I know what

1287
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: we were talking about. We're talking about like the diet,

1288
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: So diet would be similar to a black beard. Yeah,

1289
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: that's the thought, and they might eat meat, fish, pretty

1290
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: much anything they can get their hands on. I was

1291
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: also told that they like fruit pies that I remember

1292
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: reading the thing that research or the Bigfoot researchers will

1293
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: try to lure move watermelons. Oh that's a new one.

1294
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: I'd heard like fruit pies. But my feeling is if

1295
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,440
Speaker 1: you put a fruit pie out, you're going to get raccoons,

1296
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, anything anything out of the sun it campers nearby, Like, yeah,

1297
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: anybody who knows is going to walk in the door

1298
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: of the fruit pie and do anything that eats something

1299
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: has excrement. How do they explain the lack of that

1300
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: do they clean up their own droppings? Yeah, there's a

1301
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: theory they might bury them. Oh um, But yeah there

1302
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: is no. So there's a I at New York University

1303
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: who's a molecular primatologist and he's got you know, he's

1304
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: an anthropologist and he works in DNA, and he does

1305
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: not think Bigfoot is really he said, the chances are

1306
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: adjacent to zero. But he's one of these guys that's

1307
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: just fascinated by the phenomenon. And he will work with

1308
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: a few very select researchers if they raise the money,

1309
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: um and send them hit their samples, he will run

1310
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: tests on them. And he says, I just get so

1311
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: much bear crap because people will send it in they'll

1312
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: be like I found this, and then he'll run it

1313
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: through the test and it's bear over and over and

1314
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: over again, nothing nothing different. Is it true that right

1315
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: now someone still has a million dollar reward out for

1316
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: a dead Bigfoot? That's a distinct possibility. Um. There is

1317
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: a guy named Tom Biscardi who I think put up

1318
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: a reward for that for a carcass. Yeah, what do

1319
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: they feel the people you interviewed, what do they feel

1320
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: is happening to the big Foot? Carcasses. Um, they're scavenged.

1321
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: They're saying, you know, how often do you see a

1322
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: bear carcass in the woods, and see, I've never seen

1323
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: one find bear skulls, I should say all the time.

1324
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: But I found a bunch of bear skulls. The idea

1325
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: their their theory is that you don't find bodies of

1326
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: animals in the woods very often, that they get scavenged,

1327
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: that the porcupines eat the bones, that the bones get

1328
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: scattered as the animals, you know, it dies, It's eight

1329
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of stinking meat and it just gets eaten up. No,

1330
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: that's their theory. But I have not, as someone who's

1331
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: hiked in camped pretty much their whole life, not probably

1332
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: not as far into the backwoods as you've gone. In fact,

1333
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm positive of that. UM. But I've only ever seen

1334
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 1: one dead, full dead skeleton ever. It was a deer

1335
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: and it was gone by three months later. But they

1336
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: but the but bones are capture in the paleontological record.

1337
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: You're like LaBrea tar pits. They are and they're not.

1338
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: This was actually another interesting conversation I had with a

1339
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: guy named Ian Tattersall, who is the UM is an

1340
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: anthropologist out at the American Museum of Natural History in

1341
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: New York, and he said, it is incredibly hard to

1342
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: become a fossil, but things managed to become fossil. They do.

1343
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: But what we have available to us is only a

1344
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: very small fraction of what the full fossil record is,

1345
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, you have to die

1346
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: in the right place, at the right time, under the

1347
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: right conditions. It has to be the right kind of

1348
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: material that you're buried in, and then you have to

1349
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: be uncovered at the right moment. And then and the

1350
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: the elements and the conditions can't be wearing it down,

1351
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: and you have to be discovered by someone. Yeah, okay,

1352
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: it's think about this minute. We're talking about a population

1353
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: of give or take maybe two thousand things that weigh

1354
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred pounds six hundred pounds. There is no other

1355
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: large mammal that exists in North America that we don't

1356
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: find the remains of all the time. All of our

1357
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: large mammals get hit by cars every year. Even when

1358
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: you had fifty Florida panthers, when the population was as

1359
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: low as fifty, multiple ones would get hit on the

1360
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: highway every year in Florida, It's like you can't say that,

1361
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: you can't look someone in the eye and explain to

1362
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: them why that two thousand animals that have coexisted with

1363
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: humans here not just remember like never mind like coexisted

1364
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: with Native Americans for what we now know to be

1365
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: at least fifteen thousand, five hundred years, coexisted with euro

1366
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: Americans here for hundreds of years that no one's ever

1367
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: found a own because we find, like all of our

1368
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 1: other large mammals are well established in the Palion's logical record.

1369
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: You got a Librea tar pit, the Librea tar pits,

1370
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: dozens of mammoths, hundreds of dire wolves, every creature that

1371
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: we know would show up there routinely. So it is

1372
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: a real problem to say that there is a thing

1373
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: that's alive right now that we don't have any bones for,

1374
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: because the porcupine's got them all. I know the bones

1375
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: I know here. The one other thing that has been

1376
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: presented to me is that the DNA analysis on a

1377
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: lot of bones is fairly recent. So if somebody found

1378
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: bones before and they ended up in a collection somewhere,

1379
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: they are not running. And Ian tatters All told me this,

1380
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: I said, you know, well, what if we've got all

1381
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: these you know, hominid species that we're finding, now what

1382
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: else is there? What have we misidentified in these collections

1383
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: of bones? All the museums have he said, there's no

1384
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: he's going back and digging through those collections because there's

1385
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: no glory in that. Essentially, it's like if you find

1386
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: the new thing out in the world, that's exciting. But

1387
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 1: who wants to go back to the storeroom and be

1388
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: the guy sorting through the bones and running analysis on those.

1389
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: Maybe someone's like, man, it's supposed a pound person, yeah,

1390
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: or like a you know, this is a weird bare

1391
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: bone and then it ends up in some locker somewhere

1392
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: and nobody ever does anything with it. I'm not saying

1393
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: that that's the case, but I think that, you know,

1394
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: people will find reasons to make this creature real. Yeah. Uh,

1395
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: can we talk about sightings? Yeah? And I bet you will.

1396
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: I want to get around. It's like a wild You're

1397
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: going to get letters about this. I want to get around.

1398
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: Let's um. I heard. These are actually the hardest thing

1399
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: for me to throw out because some of the people

1400
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: I talked to or you know, thirty year US Forest

1401
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: Service fishing game BLM Like they're outside all the time,

1402
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: familiar with wildlife, familiar with the ecosystems that they're in,

1403
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: and then they see something that completely alters their view

1404
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: of wildlife out there and their beliefs. Yeah, their beliefs,

1405
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: And it's hard for me to throw that out because

1406
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,919
Speaker 1: they clearly had an experience that shook them. Whether it's bigfoot,

1407
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't there, I didn't see it,

1408
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of it, but it clearly is something

1409
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: that has just rocked them to their core. Did you

1410
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people who had I witness accounts?

1411
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about a couple, Tell me about

1412
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: a couple of the ones that's like surprised you where

1413
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this seems like a sane, rational pers

1414
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: So one of them came from a guy named John

1415
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: mayan Zinski. He is um. He lives down in Wyoming,

1416
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: in Atlantic City. If you know where that is, Atlantic City, Wyoming, Yeah, No,

1417
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't, teeny tiny, it's sort of it's not far

1418
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: from Pinedale. Yeah, all civilization you'll ever need. According to

1419
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: their sign um, he was working for must have been

1420
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: the Forest Service at the time, and it was his

1421
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: turn to go out and run this sort of scouting thing.

1422
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: They were doing research on big horn sheeps sheep, not sheeps,

1423
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 1: big feats um And he went in, got his gear

1424
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: from the depot and grabbed his stuff and then headed

1425
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: out into the woods. And on the way out the door,

1426
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: this guy yells to him, hey, I spilled baking grease

1427
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: on that tent. Just f y I. So he goes

1428
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: out and wyoming um a open well not all of it.

1429
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: There's forests over there. It's pretty air and open. I

1430
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: think he was in the winds um and he was

1431
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: camped out there in the forest somewhere and had gone

1432
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: to sleep and then woke up to the sound of

1433
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: something breathing, and for a while I thought it was

1434
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: a bear, And then he said it sounded different from

1435
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: a bear. It sounded like maybe a sick bear. And

1436
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: then whatever it was kind of came up to the

1437
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: tent and pushed its its basin. He thought, right where

1438
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: that baking grease spot is. And he's like, well, damn,

1439
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: it's a bear. So he like yells and like wax

1440
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: it on the nose to try and scare it off,

1441
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,520
Speaker 1: and it runs off back behind the sort of um

1442
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: the dog hair pines that were on the edge of

1443
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: his camp, and he hears it breathing again. Then it

1444
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: comes back a second time. It does the same thing,

1445
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: and he does that, hits it again, and it comes

1446
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: back a third time, and this time it seems like

1447
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: it's over top of the tent because he can silhouette

1448
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: see it silhouetted over the top. The moon was full,

1449
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: and he thinks it's holding onto the lodge pole pine

1450
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: above his tent, and he's standing there kind of are

1451
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: He's sitting in the tent trying to figure out what

1452
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna do to sort of scare this thing off.

1453
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: And then another face sort of presses itself into the

1454
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: bacon grease stain, and he's like, well, it's a mama

1455
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: bear in her cub Like this is the worst possible

1456
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: situation to be in, but he wants to sort of

1457
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: like get them away from the tent, so he wax

1458
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: it again, and this time it's not soft like a nose,

1459
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: it's like rock hard, and it's whatever this thing is.

1460
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: He throws it off. It's b elens and it comes

1461
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: crashing down onto the tent. He's getting out of the

1462
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: tent and trying to wiggle his way out of it,

1463
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: and then the thing takes off and it's big, that's

1464
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,879
Speaker 1: all he can tell. And it's hiding behind these pines

1465
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: on the edge of camp, and he's sitting by the

1466
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: fire with a blanket over him and his forty five

1467
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: in his lap and just thinking, what the hell is

1468
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: this thing? And then whatever it is starts lobbing pine

1469
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: cones at him and lobbs thirty forty pine cones, and

1470
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: he's not in any hurry to get away from the fire,

1471
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: and then the thing kind of just shovels off. And

1472
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: the next morning he gets up and he looks to

1473
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: see if there's any footprints or you know, bare tracks

1474
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and there's too much pine stuff

1475
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: so he can't see what it is. So he goes,

1476
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: gets up his stuff, goes back into UM the station

1477
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: and tells his boss about it. And it's it's his

1478
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: boss who says, I think you might have had a

1479
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: big foot encounter, because apparently there's been a bunch of

1480
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: people who had reported something similar UM in that area

1481
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: over the past you months. And this is a guy

1482
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: who worked on the Lunar Exploration module in the sixties,

1483
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: when he was like, you know, a graduate student or

1484
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 1: an undergrad in college. He'd worked in fish and wildlife,

1485
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: he'd worked with BLM. He's very soft spoken, he's not grandstanding. Um,

1486
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: just like rational, Like he's just like the kind of

1487
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: guy that he just was so down to earth. And

1488
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: he tells you the story and you're just like, what

1489
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: was it? And he's like, I still don't you know

1490
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: to this day, I still don't know. Hit me with

1491
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: another one. Okay, I go comment. You got to listen

1492
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: to episode four. They're full of them. Um. Another guy

1493
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: talked to was a guy named Derek Randalls who is

1494
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: up in the Olympic Peninsula and he's actually one of

1495
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, and he is one of the founders

1496
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: of the Olympic Project because of an experience he had

1497
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: in the eighties where he'd gone out camping. He was back.

1498
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: They were in the back country, he and a couple

1499
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 1: of friends, and um, they were setting up they were

1500
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: getting ready to set up camp on this sort of

1501
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: ridgeline maybe a quarter mile half mile off the trail

1502
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: that they've taken up, and something started throwing rocks at them. First,

1503
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: they were all coming into the right of them and

1504
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: then they were all coming into the left and then

1505
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: they could hear this thing sort of coming through the

1506
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: trees at him, and they all flipped out, grabbed up

1507
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: their packs and like took off down the trail. And

1508
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: then Derek remembered he had a gun in his bag, um,

1509
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: and so he you know, pulled off the pack, pulled

1510
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: out the gun, and then he saw this things standing

1511
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: in the trees just staring at him. And I asked him, well,

1512
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: what was it? And he said it was eight feet tall.

1513
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: It was just absolutely enormous, and he just said, just

1514
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: scared the Jesus out of him. And these are the

1515
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: kinds of stories I heard where people were kind of

1516
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: out doing their own thing. They're used to being in

1517
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 1: the wilderness, they grew up being outside. They're not the

1518
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: kind of people who are going to be easily startled

1519
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: by the animals and the things that they see out there,

1520
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and this just really changes everything for them. Do you

1521
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: you have a background as a journalist. You are a journalist, Um,

1522
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: why is it that journalists what is it about journalists

1523
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: attraction to people who believe in Bigfoot? Like I'm obviously

1524
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: part of this. I'm wanting to talk to you because

1525
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 1: this is like, like for me to talk about it,

1526
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: I gotta talk about it to someone like you. For

1527
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: you to talk about you want to talk about to

1528
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: the actual people who I have more of a difficult time.

1529
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: You need to have a little bit of you. I

1530
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: like the buffer because I can because I can just

1531
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: get the questions that I have answered better if there's

1532
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 1: like a layer between that. But but why do journalists

1533
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: like the story? Well? I think part of it is

1534
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: it is it is a colorful story, no matter how

1535
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: you slice it, like, there is a lot of color

1536
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: to this. There was a you know, last fall, there

1537
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: was a well this fall, it is still fall. There

1538
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: was a Bigfoot festival held in North Carolina and probably

1539
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: six different North Carolina, every state, every state but every

1540
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: state in Hawaii. UM, there was probably like six or

1541
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: seven journalism outfits that showed up there because it's you know,

1542
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's zany, and it's you're going

1543
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: to talk to characters. It's going to be interesting and

1544
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, especially I think right well, anytime, any time

1545
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: when the news is difficult and hard to swallow and

1546
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hard things going on, you're looking

1547
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: for stories that will get people interested, but won't necessarily

1548
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: turn into like a political knife fight. Um. And I

1549
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: will say bigfoot is a fairly universal topic. I you know,

1550
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: aside from my accountant who there's only and you who

1551
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: hates bigfoot. Um, there's been I have not had a

1552
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: conversation yet with anyone who's not. First they'll like laugh

1553
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: or they'll kind of joke about it and be like, oh,

1554
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,919
Speaker 1: this is dumb, but then they have all these questions.

1555
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So there's something about bigfoot that people

1556
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: do find appealing, and then journalists are among them. There's

1557
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the thing I've talked about a bunch. I need to

1558
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: go like reread it to make sure I'm getting it right.

1559
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: But no doubt you're familiar with the writer Joan Didion.

1560
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Early it's early in Slouching towards Bethlehem or early in

1561
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: the White album. I think it's early in Slouching towards Bethlehem. Um,

1562
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: she talks about away in which people and this is

1563
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: she's writing pre Internet. Okay, so she brought this before

1564
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the Internet came out. But she's talking about a way

1565
01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 1: in which people rebel against information. I'm paraphrasing what she's

1566
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,480
Speaker 1: saying but there's people who as information becomes so available

1567
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: and we know about so much and we can find

1568
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: out about so much, there's a way to rebel against

1569
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: information by like tenaciously grabbing ontos and myths and conspiracies

1570
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: because it gives you a sense of knowing something that

1571
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: everyone else just can't see. This thing that like I

1572
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: know the truth, I'm special, I'm inside, I'm I'm aware,

1573
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: and all the rest of you people are not aware.

1574
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: And that gets that that's the conspiracy theory thing too.

1575
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I think that just gets taken to the sort of

1576
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 1: a very extreme level. But it's this idea that somehow

1577
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: I have knowledge about things that you don't and that

1578
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: makes me special. Yeah, you're rebelling against widely held information

1579
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: to become that like you know the truth but no

1580
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: one can see it. And it's like a type of

1581
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: mind frame or it's a mindset. Yeah, And I find

1582
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: that mindset in your in the time you spent with

1583
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: big Foot believers. Yeah, I mean, I think you know,

1584
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: I've I've found that in a lot of the different

1585
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: people that I've ended up talking to over the course

1586
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: of my journalism careers. People like to feel like somehow

1587
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: they have knowledge somehow they're different, somehow they stand out,

1588
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: somehow they're they're able to separate themselves from what society

1589
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: is trying to make you do, or what the government's

1590
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: trying to tell you to do, or what you know

1591
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom is um. The part I've never understood is

1592
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: why why is there that need to feel special? I mean,

1593
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: we all have it, I think, and to some degree,

1594
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: pretty much everybody wants to feel like they're an individual.

1595
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: They're different, they're not just thinking things because someone has

1596
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 1: told them to think those things. But yeah, where where

1597
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: that comes from, I don't know. Is the bigfoot world

1598
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: predominantly male? I expected it to be more male than

1599
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: it was. There were quite a few women, And actually

1600
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: next summer I've been invited to go on an all

1601
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: women's month long Bigfoot expedition. You can do it, I'm

1602
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna do. I think I'll probably go on part of

1603
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: it because there was some women I met before really nice.

1604
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: And part of what they really want to do is

1605
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: they just want to educate people about being outside too.

1606
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 1: Like you know that screaming sound is not a bigfoot,

1607
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: that is an owl. You know that this is how

1608
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: you set up a proper camp like. Part of it

1609
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: is wilderness education in some ways, which is part of

1610
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: the reason I think I also like Bigfoot is because

1611
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, I'd rather have people go out

1612
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: look for bigfoot than play video games. I think that's

1613
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: a more valuable use of your time. When you were

1614
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: doing your research for your podcast series, tell us a

1615
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: name of the podcast series. We want to hit it

1616
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: multiple times. Wild thing singular, two words, two words singular.

1617
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: When you were doing the research, did you came into

1618
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: it thinking it was Holcomb did you evacillate through your

1619
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: journey a little bit? Like the first time I saw

1620
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: those nests, I was like, this is weird, Like this

1621
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: is not something I've seen before. And you know, again,

1622
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: I do not have the level of expertise that you

1623
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: guys have with being out in the woods. But I

1624
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,440
Speaker 1: grew up in Idaho camping and hiking and being outside,

1625
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and this was not like something I had seen before.

1626
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: And then you would hear someone would show you. They'd

1627
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I've got a picture of a bigfoot footprint.

1628
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: You gotta see it, and you get your hopes up.

1629
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: You'd be like, this is going to be it, and

1630
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: it would look like a puddle and you're like, oh,

1631
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 1: that's nothing. So that you know, there was a lot

1632
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: of kind of this back and forth, and especially like

1633
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I said, when I heard those stories from people, those

1634
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: those were hurt for me to dismiss because it's hard

1635
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to say to someone you didn't see that, like you're

1636
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: just making stuff up like that. They just wasn't that

1637
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of situation? Did you? Did you find yourself needing

1638
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: to act like you were more or of a believer

1639
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: than you were? Um? I mean I when I went

1640
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: into this, and no matter where I went, I made

1641
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: it very clear, I'm going coming into this as an

1642
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: objective observer. You know, tell me what your experience has been,

1643
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: tell me what you've seen, tell me about your evidence.

1644
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: But I haven't made up my mind one way or

1645
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: or the other. Would the people you talk to feel

1646
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: that it was a betrayal that you right now? You know,

1647
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: like the way we like to put it, if God

1648
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:35,839
Speaker 1: can put a gun to your head and said it's Bigfoot,

1649
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: real or fake, you'd say fake in this situation, right, yeah?

1650
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Would they feel like it's a betrayal that you that

1651
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: you would say that now? Is there like is there

1652
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: like a code of honor here where you're supposed to

1653
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: believe when you're in the community. No, I don't think so,

1654
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: because I would ask questions. I asked people a lot

1655
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: of questions, you know, and I asked them to like,

1656
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: how can you keep going out day after day or

1657
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: year after are and look for this thing when there

1658
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: is so little, when there is no physical evidence, And

1659
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: they say, you know, sometimes it's hard, But I just

1660
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: I really think it's out there. Like I think they

1661
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: understand too, that what they have is very tenuous. There

1662
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: are peeples, some people who are adamant that there is proof,

1663
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: but a lot of people I think are quite shaky

1664
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: on it. But it's something that they want. Do they

1665
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: feel protective of it, Like let's just say for a minute,

1666
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 1: let's say from it. All of a sudden, uh, one

1667
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: gets hit by a car. Okay, he's crossing I five,

1668
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: you know where it runs up through Washington and it's

1669
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: like down in l Am he's migrating eastward, He's like,

1670
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: and Wyoming has him. There's gotta be some genetic exchange that,

1671
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there can't be a thriving population of Wyoming

1672
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: they migrate. He's had an East Peninsula gets hit on

1673
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: hit on the Highway. It's a pregnant theme. Wh right

1674
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: gets rich, right pregnant female. Also, it's like, wow, they

1675
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: were right with the people you met, Uh, would they

1676
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: be like great? And then the inn the real scientific

1677
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: community comes in and it becomes this whole thing. Would

1678
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: would it lose its luster? I think there's an element

1679
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: of that. Um. I think there is some recognition that

1680
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: if Bigfoot was emphatically proved to be a real species,

1681
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: that your your citizens saschologists, you're you're amateur bigfooters, they're

1682
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: gonna get kind of cut out of the cut out

1683
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: of the game, because, yeah, because it's gonna be government

1684
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: scientists and you know, primatologists from all the finest research institutions,

1685
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: and all these forests are going to be off limits,

1686
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 1: and you know, all of a sudden it's going to

1687
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a very different thing if that

1688
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: were to happen. And I imagine I'm sure they've thought

1689
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,759
Speaker 1: about the fact that if Bigfoot is in fact proved

1690
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: to be real, then what what do you do? Then

1691
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to pursue it with the

1692
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: same abandon Are you familiar with the comedian Joe Rogan. Yes,

1693
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Joe feels that he spends he spent some time looking

1694
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: at similar to you, but from it from a comedian perspective,

1695
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: digging into the world. I don't want to use the

1696
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: word that he used, but he used the word that

1697
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: like he found that bigfoot researchers are um white men

1698
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: that people would not want to make love too. Oh

1699
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: that's me. Yeah. He had a term like, I'm I

1700
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: can guess um that there was that that there's like, uh,

1701
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: there's a sort of that that there's a sort of

1702
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 1: pulling away from that there's a sort of pulling away

1703
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: from the normal ext changes and and things that make

1704
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: up our lives among this community. I didn't feel that, honestly, No.

1705
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean I thought I thought it was actually a

1706
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: very robust social community. Like everything I went to was

1707
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: like a big family reunion and people would come in

1708
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 1: from all over and they were buddies and know. Yeah,

1709
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think in any group, I don't know.

1710
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: That just seems kind of mean to me. He's a comedian,

1711
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: like he's like, okay, you know. He also made a

1712
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: joke that like, why is no one mad at Bob

1713
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Marley for having shot a sheriff. It's a good question, right,

1714
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: He's just he's just he's a comedian. Yeah. Um, I

1715
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: specifically went in with the idea that I didn't want

1716
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: to be making fun of people and being mean. Um.

1717
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I can see his point. But there's a lot of

1718
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: subcultures in American society that are filled with a similar descriptor.

1719
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: Like I think you can I think it's unfair to

1720
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, big bigfoot people are not the

1721
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: kind of people you'd want to have a relationship with.

1722
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna say anything else because I

1723
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: don't want to get hate mail. But sure there's a

1724
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of subcultures that are filled

1725
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: with people you might not consider conventionally attractive or interesting

1726
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: or socially adept. I mean Silicon valleys like loaded with them. Yeah,

1727
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: I bet you know. A lot of people would say

1728
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 1: the exact same thing about hunters. Yeah, big game hunters,

1729
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: but a broad, broad stroke of folks. It wasn't like

1730
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: a particular demographic that you found white largely white, some

1731
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Native American. But I would say that that like if

1732
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: you had to do a demographic term for it, it's

1733
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: this is a whider phenomenon. Yeah, and I don't think

1734
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 1: there's too much you really read into that accident, communityographics, demographics, distribution,

1735
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: rural and the pet kinds of people who are going

1736
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: to be out in the woods. To begin with, I

1737
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: actually had a really long conversation with a woman named

1738
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: rue Map who started a group called Outdoor AFRO, which

1739
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: is to get more African Americans comfortable with going out

1740
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: into the woods. And she and I had a big

1741
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: conversation about this, and she said, look, you know, up

1742
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: until very very recently, for black and for African Americans

1743
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: to be outside in the woods that was that was

1744
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 1: a sketchy proposition, not because of bears or cougars, but

1745
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: because of like other things that would could potentially cause

1746
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of harm. So you know, it's it's all

1747
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: it's relative on who's going to be out in the

1748
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: woods and and doing those kinds of things to begin with. Yeah, No,

1749
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't read I don't read a bunch into that one.

1750
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 1: Is there things that, uh are the things that I

1751
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: haven't asked you about that you wish I was going

1752
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: to ask you about? Just do those things for a minute,

1753
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: state the question within your answer statement, question within my

1754
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,799
Speaker 1: answer like things that I really ought to know about,

1755
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: like things you were dying to talk about that we

1756
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 1: didn't touch on. I feel like we got to a

1757
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of it. I think the one thing I do

1758
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:56,839
Speaker 1: kind of want to talk about is what the appeal

1759
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 1: comes from, Like why people do want Bigfoot to be real? Okay,

1760
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: so not you as a journalist, I know. I actually yeah,

1761
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,679
Speaker 1: me too. This also gets to why I want Bigfoot

1762
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 1: to be real, because my feeling is is, um if

1763
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: you can't imagine the possibility of Bigfoot, if you can't

1764
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 1: imagine a landscape that's like wild enough and and can

1765
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: that they can hold something like Bigfoot, that everything is

1766
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: already so mapped out and pruned and paved and like, uh,

1767
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's all on Google Maps, it kind of

1768
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: sucks the magic out a little bit, Like there's something

1769
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about magical Bigfoot, but there

1770
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 1: is something magical about Bigfoot, about something like a creature

1771
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: that's clever enough to elude us, that can exist in

1772
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: this wilderness out there that has a lot of appeal.

1773
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of it in that way that it's

1774
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: a belief, that it's a belief in wilderness when you

1775
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: say that to me, I haven't thought about it. But

1776
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: what comes to my mind pretty quickly is that right now,

1777
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: in pondering wildlife and pondering wilderness, I think that realism

1778
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: is real important. I think that that that instead of

1779
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: exaggerating its potential, it's really important right now to look

1780
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: at it as a finite thing that is there because

1781
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: we're making a commitment to having it there, and that

1782
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 1: it's not this unknown, unconquered thing. That's something that we

1783
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: get and we can count it down to the acre

1784
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and we can watch it vanish, and it is not

1785
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: like anything that fosters this idea of it, And it's

1786
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,679
Speaker 1: the thing you find, you know, the thing you find

1787
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: often with people who I would call it, people like

1788
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: like outsiders or people who are not accustomed to being

1789
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: in wilderness thinking about wilderness. But they look at I

1790
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 1: sometimes think that they have a naive perspective about what

1791
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: its potentials are. You know that it could that what

1792
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 1: we have left could harbor a six hundred pound primate.

1793
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: You're like, it's not like that anymore. Man, We're down

1794
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: to the last little nubbing. He even used the term

1795
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 1: vast anymore in in our wilderness is almost a stretch, right,

1796
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: But isn't that kind of depressing with people using vast

1797
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: when they know what the relative picture they're trying to

1798
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: present is, Like, I use it too, but to be that, um,

1799
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: I think it almost like over sells where we're at

1800
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: right now. That it could hide the greatest tap that

1801
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: ever lived. Yeah, that it could hide two thousand because

1802
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,759
Speaker 1: look at what's going on with the with the giant gorilla.

1803
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 1: H go on, tell me about the jan guerrilla. They're vanishing.

1804
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: You're talking about the girls in Africa silver backs. There's

1805
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: very few. They vanished. We find them dead all time.

1806
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: There's no mystery there. There was a mystery for a

1807
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: very long time. Now, for thousands of years, there was

1808
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: a mystery around panda bears. And species do crop up

1809
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: from time to time, although they tend to be more

1810
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: ocean species than Yeah. I even read for a while

1811
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: someone was comparing the hunt for Bigfoot with the hunt

1812
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: for the giant squid. Okay, and here's the giant squid man,

1813
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 1: a very mysterious thing lives deep in the darkest zones

1814
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: of the oceans. It was a mythological creature. But now

1815
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 1: and then, now and then every now and then one

1816
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: of them sons of bitches washes up on the beach

1817
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and there it is. And then you gotta wrestle with

1818
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: the fact that there it is. I'm not saying that

1819
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: it's a logical belief, but I think that it does

1820
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: touch on something that's important to humans, and important has

1821
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: been important for a long time to tell me that

1822
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: this idea that something outside the campfire ring, the thing

1823
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 1: lurking in the woods, that maybe we're not in control,

1824
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: that maybe we're not the toughest species out there on

1825
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: the planet. That maybe you know, you like, well, at

1826
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: least most people I know sort of like that that

1827
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 1: thrilled down the back of their spine and a little

1828
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:27,799
Speaker 1: sense of mystery and a little sense of of the unknown.

1829
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: And even if that is not the reality anymore, people

1830
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: still want that. But why can't they be Maybe this

1831
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: is my right. Why can't they be happy and inspired

1832
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: by what is there? I think a lot of them are,

1833
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: But I think them want more. I think people want more.

1834
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: They always it never is enough. I mean, look at

1835
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: us as a species, what we have is never enough.

1836
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: That's a good point. We want robots that drive our cars,

1837
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: we want we want to have the blood of younger

1838
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: people so we can day young. We want to bottle

1839
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: our consciousness. We want to live forever, like it's never enough.

1840
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: We're living at the best point in time you could

1841
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:12,799
Speaker 1: ever live for humans, and still they want more. Yeah,

1842
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 1: it's never enough, never enough. Would you would you like

1843
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Bigfoot to be real? I don't have an opinion about it.

1844
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: If all someone got hit on I five, Yeah, it

1845
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 1: would cause I can't say that I would like it.

1846
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 1: It would cause me to reevaluate everything I've ever thought.

1847
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 1: It would change everything for me. Um. Yeah, it would

1848
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: shake me up. It would shake me up. I would

1849
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden become I would at that point,

1850
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: would become obsessed. Would you invite me back to talk

1851
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 1: to you again? Okay, I would become I would become obsessed,

1852
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: and I would in my primary thing would be how

1853
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: is it possible that we miss stid right? And then

1854
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I would hold these people, Grover Grover Crans. I would

1855
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden think that he was an American

1856
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,480
Speaker 1: hero and a genius. And I would go to Rushmore

1857
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: and I would like, uh, you know, scrub someone's face

1858
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: off there and chisel his up on there. I wouldn't

1859
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: take OTR down. But someone would uh yeah, I would

1860
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: be like, what a visionary and that would everything would

1861
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 1: be different. But I'm not worried about one getting hit

1862
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: on I five. Um what else you got? You got?

1863
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: There are more points you want to bring up, keep

1864
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: you want to you want to plug the podcast a

1865
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: little bit about how people can go find it, because

1866
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: they'll learn way more doing that and they will listen

1867
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: to this. That's a good that's probably a good point.

1868
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 1: You're comfortable, Yeah, I'm comportable time. Yeah that's fair. Um.

1869
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: So the podcast is available on pretty much any platform

1870
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts on iTunes or Apple podcasts. You

1871
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: can't call it iTunes anymore, Apple podcasts, Stitcher, tune in

1872
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: for the sports people out there, Um, Google play has it.

1873
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: I know there's another one that I'm forgetting. I Heart

1874
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 1: radio whatever they are, and uh yeah, it's available in

1875
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 1: all those platforms. You can also if you don't feel

1876
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: comfortable with podcasts, you can find it on our website,

1877
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 1: which is wild thing podcast dot com, stream direct, yep,

1878
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,640
Speaker 1: and we also have some cool t shirts. There is

1879
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: it a thing to not feel comfortable with Apple podcasts? Well?

1880
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Speaker 1: I think if there are some people who maybe are

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Speaker 1: a little older and don't quite either don't have a

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01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: smartphone or don't necessarily know how the technology works. It's

1883
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 1: just easier to go. And you know, we're trying trying

1884
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: to be open to all. We're not a just Um,

1885
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: there's a Facebook page, wild thing Pod. We're on Twitter,

1886
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: which is you know, Twitter, wild thing Pod, Instagram, wild

1887
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 1: thing Pod. They're all the same. And then za people

1888
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: with a couple, uh that, people with a couple titilating

1889
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: details about things they'll find if they listen that we

1890
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't cover today. Well, you'll learn a little bit more

1891
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: about Grover because he's a pretty fascinating dude. You'll get

1892
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 1: some more you'll get some fun stuff about evolution. Um,

1893
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about the different evidence that's

1894
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: in there. You get to hear more of these eyewitness encounters,

1895
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: and they're way better told by the people who actually

1896
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: experienced something than they are by me. Um. There's some

1897
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff about DNA which we didn't really

1898
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 1: get into. But there's a lot of really cool info

1899
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: about DNA that's not even necessarily Bigfoot related. That's just

1900
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:34,520
Speaker 1: like blow your mind science, which is pretty awesome. Um,

1901
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: I go on a big Foot expedition, you can join

1902
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 1: me on that. And we get into the sort of

1903
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: cultural taboo around Bigfoot, and uh, the all the different

1904
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: companies that use Bigfoot as the you know, the mascot

1905
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: or the name or in there there um labels somehow,

1906
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 1: and why there is this sort of cultural or this

1907
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: commercial appeal. Um. All these companies have realized that even

1908
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: if Steve here doesn't think Bigfoot is the neatest thing

1909
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: since slic spread, there's a lot of people that do,

1910
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 1: and they'll spend money on those kinds of products, marketing

1911
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 1: Bigfoot marketing, the exploitation of big Yeah, here's the other thing.

1912
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: Bigfoot ever realizes just how much exploitation is going on.

1913
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if it comes out of

1914
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: the woods and it's like there's gonna be litigation, trademark infringement. Alright,

1915
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: so wild things, damn. I know that wild thing, wild thing.

1916
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: But I was pried. I gotta say. I was listening

1917
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: over the weekend, you know, prepping and how much my

1918
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: old is my daughter was like following because I just

1919
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: put in my back pocket, you know, I'm listening to

1920
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 1: the podcasts and walking around the house doing stuff and

1921
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,680
Speaker 1: she's like following along, Okay, well hold on, you know,

1922
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: and she didn't. She's seven, you know, she came quite

1923
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 1: grasp everything. So there's a lot of stopping and pausing

1924
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:54,600
Speaker 1: and asking questions. But it was I found it to

1925
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: be very family friendly because I enjoyed having conversations with

1926
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: my daughter about what she was hearing. And that's the

1927
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 1: other thing. I know. There are some swears in this one.

1928
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 1: I think there's like the S word gets dropped like

1929
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: ten times over the course of the episodes, and there's

1930
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: a couple of little risque areas. But I am going

1931
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: to release a clean version because I know a lot

1932
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: of people would prefer not to have swearing. A kid

1933
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: friendly version. Yeah, well it'll be it's basically going to

1934
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: be the same thing, but I'm gonna cut out the

1935
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: swear words and some of the sexy stuff, and UM

1936
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: have that available starting in January. I think I got

1937
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: one last thing, man, You're good. Yeah. Yeah. It's making

1938
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: me nervous, Like how I keep thinking you're dressed up.

1939
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 1: I realized the only thing you did different is you

1940
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: talked your shirt in It makes me nervous, like there's

1941
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: something going on. There's like something going on in your life.

1942
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: I don't know about you just talked your shirt in No.

1943
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 1: I felt like we had a special guest to make

1944
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 1: sure you know, I'm so embarrassing. Looks very nice. UM's

1945
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: gonna say you had to quit sexy stuff. I didn't

1946
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: know if there was. Oh, here's the thing. Can you

1947
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: tell me? No, you tell me what the bigfoot community

1948
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: has to say about this? At trail cams. Man trail

1949
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 1: cams have rewritten the story of wildlife in America. This

1950
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 1: is my question. Distribute like just distribution issues and like

1951
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 1: all not just in America, all around the world. It's

1952
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 1: rewriting our understanding of where of the distribution maps of

1953
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 1: certain species and what they're doing. What is it? What

1954
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:30,719
Speaker 1: do the bigfoot guys have to say about the lack

1955
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: of trail camp footage that they're smart enough to avoid them? Oh,

1956
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: or bigfoot is blurry? An invisible? Could be invisible the

1957
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: fourth dimensional one? I cannot because I never know. You

1958
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: can't take a picture of ghosts. Yeah, well you can, though,

1959
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 1: isn't there like some wasn't there some TV show that

1960
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 1: was like pictures of ghosts or something like that? I remember,

1961
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: but you get the aura. Yeah, they explain it away.

1962
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: Trail cams like they jbs the trail camps they can

1963
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 1: hear some high sort of high frequency something or they're

1964
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: going on, how there must be thousands of trail cams

1965
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,679
Speaker 1: set specifically to catch bigfoot at this point in time

1966
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: right now, I'm guessing right you did. You probably talk

1967
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: to people that say, yes, I own hundreds and I

1968
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: have them set to catch big Yeah. I mean, I'm on.

1969
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of money that gets spent on

1970
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 1: some of the gear. It's like Sennheiser mikes and flear

1971
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 1: and night vision and you know, high end recording devices

1972
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: and trail cams and you know, we're talking like tens

1973
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars that gets spent on gear and

1974
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:45,599
Speaker 1: we don't have anything. They're bringing trail cams into the fight.

1975
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 1: Well they're but but they're developing the idea that he

1976
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: knows and he avoids it or she or it or

1977
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: they those females. Of course, you won't have any, so

1978
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: that like damn it should have known bigfoot you can't

1979
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: catch could be a good source for some hunting spots,

1980
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 1: if you know, if you live in that area and

1981
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 1: you know a bigfoot person. Yeah, oh yeah, if you're

1982
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: like the other thing, Yeah, here's the other thing is

1983
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 1: the bigfoot people though often aren't just out doing bigfoot

1984
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: like they're out hunting like bigfoot is just sort of

1985
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: it's on it's on the side in addition to the

1986
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 1: other stuff that they're they're doing out there like they're

1987
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 1: I think the first love in some cases is off

1988
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: in the woods and just being outside, and this becomes

1989
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: part of that experience. You got one last question for you.

1990
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: Is anyone in the community now still walking around with

1991
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: the gun. There's still guys that would drop one if

1992
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 1: they saw a Couple of the ones I've talked to

1993
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 1: who are scientists that yeah, like, unless you have a

1994
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 1: body or a big piece of a body, you're never

1995
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: going to convince anyone. And they condone the idea of

1996
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 1: seeing one and killing it. Some of them do, yeah, no, ship, Yeah,

1997
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: a lot of them. A lot of them carry guns

1998
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: though for other wildlife what I mean, protection protection, Yeah,

1999
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: but they would. There's guys out there right now in

2000
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 1: the community would be like, I would kill it if

2001
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 1: I saw it. Dude, you want to see a blow

2002
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: up on social media? I'm not going. I do not

2003
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: want to step into that mess. You're welcome to go.

2004
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: You go, let me holl go send me a note

2005
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: saying that guy is gonna get major trouble and the

2006
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: name of signed. Well, that's what happened. If you want

2007
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: me to read the letter that Grover got or some

2008
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 1: of the letters, I've got them on my computer. You

2009
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 1: want to, can we put them up on our show notes? Yeah?

2010
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't see why not be the best thing for us. Okay,

2011
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: I'll send them to I'll send you a couple. I'll

2012
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: let you have them in the show notes and any

2013
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 1: other kind of great stuff. We'll put up the bigfoot

2014
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: video of the famous thing from the fifties or sixties

2015
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 1: sixty seven, we'll put the show notes. We'll put up

2016
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 1: links for your stuff. Okay, Um, yeah, I've got all

2017
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: kinds of photos and illustrations too, if you I'll show

2018
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 1: them to you when we're yeah done. What in your

2019
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: mind from from what you looked at? Okay, here's the

2020
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: thing I got to with the email. I want to

2021
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 1: establish real quick. Okay, just give me a yes or no.

2022
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: Do you believe do you believe that there's a that

2023
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: that that that bigfoot in the way that we're discussing it,

2024
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 1: not the one that passes through space. Um, do you

2025
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: believe that there is the Bigfoot as a living, breathing,

2026
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 1: sustainable like like species, or as just a fluke freak

2027
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 1: occurrence that was dropped off by an alien ship? Like

2028
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: do you believe that it's true or not? Right now? Yeah?

2029
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Right now, it's own here right now. You don't know.

2030
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 1: But I based on the evolution stuff and the long

2031
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 1: history of Native American stories, there may have been something

2032
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: like Bigfoot one upon it once upon a time. That's

2033
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 1: sort of where I am. But here's the thing, and

2034
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: this is what I get to in this last episode

2035
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: based on the evidence. No, I don't think Bigfoot is real,

2036
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 1: but I still really want Bigfoot to be real because

2037
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: I like that idea so much, and I think that's

2038
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: where a lot of people come down. Okay, I'm with

2039
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: you there. Yeah, I feel the same way, just the

2040
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: same way you feel about aliens. Like, right, like, there's

2041
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: no evidence. We all know there's not, there's nothing, but yeah,

2042
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 1: if one shows, they'll be like hell, yeah, great, unless

2043
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 1: they're trying to kill you. Unless they're trying to kill you.

2044
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 1: But the problem with aliens is that it's um, it's

2045
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 1: a totally different conversation because then you get into questions

2046
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of infinity. Yeah you know, I mean like the Fermi

2047
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: paradox or no, there are like more planets than grains

2048
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: of sand on Earth, and so you get into this like, right,

2049
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 1: it's just a totally different It's like you're you're dealing

2050
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 1: in such different concept scale entirely. But the fact, you know,

2051
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:47,160
Speaker 1: if aliens existed, where are they? Why haven't they reached

2052
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 1: us out to us by now? Or are we the

2053
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:52,720
Speaker 1: most advanced species in the entire galaxy or are we

2054
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: totally alone? Like there's a lot of like questions around

2055
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: that too, for sure. And we talked about this a

2056
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: bunch for with aliens. Is that uh And if you're

2057
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 1: from the physiologist Jared Diamond, Yeah, he talks about this

2058
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: idea that with with life and other places, that life

2059
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: takes so many different forms, and planets have life cycles

2060
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: and species have life cycles, and that of all of

2061
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 1: the species that have ever existed on Earth, only one

2062
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 1: has developed the ability to transmit signals mm hmm, like

2063
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 1: an electronic transmission of a signal. After tens of thousands

2064
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 1: upon thousands of species one did that, we haven't been

2065
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 1: doing it for very long. Our future as a species

2066
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: is probably not terribly bright, meaning like, are we're here

2067
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: in ten thousand years or if we self obliterated. So

2068
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 1: the fact that on some other planet that you'd have

2069
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: another species contemporaneous with ours trying to transmit electronic signals

2070
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: at this little blipping time that we are, it opens

2071
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 1: up like even if you, even if you can get

2072
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: over the hurdle of imagining other life, that it would

2073
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 1: somehow be contemporaneous with ours and have motivations using electronic

2074
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: signals to talk. It could be else entirely like we don't.

2075
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: Life could look like that coffee cup like we don't.

2076
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: It could be coffee cup planet and they don't look

2077
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 1: like that, and we don't even know how to talk

2078
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 1: to him. So he doesn't put it out as evidence.

2079
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: You can't put out the lack of communication as evidence

2080
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 1: that is not there, because well, science can't prove a negative. Yeah,

2081
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 1: which is the which is an argument you hear with Bigfoot.

2082
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:38,480
Speaker 1: But I also here to some people in reading about

2083
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 1: big but I hear some people say the biggest piece

2084
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 1: of evidence against the Bigfoot is all of the evidence

2085
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 1: because it's so contradictory the tracks. I've heard that argument

2086
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 1: to the tracks, but people can't agree on how many

2087
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 1: all of the tracks that show up because they have

2088
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 1: five toes, as they have six toes, as they have

2089
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: four toes. What is the size and structure of the tracks.

2090
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Speaker 1: People are like, that's a Bigfoot track, But there's no

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Speaker 1: commonality between the Bigfoot tracks, descriptions of size, descriptions of diet,

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02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: descriptions of sound. It's sort of big extremely contradicted. Bigfoot

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02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 1: occupies this thing of like unknown things, and so people

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02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,360
Speaker 1: take like they have a known concept of this thing Bigfoot,

2095
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 1: and they take unknown things enforce it into a shape

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02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 1: that comes out being Bigfoot for the unknown. Why why

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02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 1: is that the shape? That's another question that I kind

2098
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:37,960
Speaker 1: of am interested in exploring, too, is because so many

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Speaker 1: cultures have something like Bigfoot. Think about Grendel, like Bayowolf,

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02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: did you read Bayowolf? Like way back in there, Greg Grendel,

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Speaker 1: the Epic of Gilgamesh, like these giant, hairy human like creatures,

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Speaker 1: Like there is something about that shape as you're talking

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02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: about that fascinates us, and what is that? And then

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Speaker 1: any other final concluding thoughts embrace Bigfoot. Just do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's a embrace the mystery, Embrace

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Speaker 1: the mystery, and embraced the fun of it. I think

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Speaker 1: that's part of it too, is it's meant in some ways,

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02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 1: it's meant to be. There's a lot of fun that

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Speaker 1: comes with this. You know, there's a lot of silliness,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of stupid stuff, but there's also

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Speaker 1: just like there's a lot of interesting science, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting people, and it's been a big part

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Speaker 1: of American culture for a long time. So there, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's worth spending a little time roughly four and

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Speaker 1: a half hours to listen to my podcast Wild Thing.

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Speaker 1: If you tag this on you got any concluders, uh no,

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Speaker 1: then you should definitely go listen to it. I thought

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02:01:45,160 --> 02:01:49,120
Speaker 1: I found it thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable, So nice way

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Speaker 1: to pass the time listening. Um yeah, man, Bigfoot tears

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Speaker 1: me out. Why can't it? Why can't it become fun

2121
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: for me too? I don't know, why can't it? God

2122
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: just not that kind of guy. I'm gonna trying to

2123
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:10,480
Speaker 1: make it more fun for me instead. It just is

2124
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Speaker 1: something that makes me pull my hair out. But obviously

2125
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Speaker 1: here I am sitting here. Even people who think Bigfoot

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Speaker 1: is the dumbest thing they've ever heard of, they end

2127
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 1: up asking me all kinds of questions. You can't help yourself,

2128
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: you can't. I can't help myself. Him. No, I'm like, like,

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Speaker 1: I heart big Foot. Man. Maybe it's a friend of

2130
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,360
Speaker 1: me thing, you know what, Maybe you know what, it's

2131
02:02:29,400 --> 02:02:31,480
Speaker 1: probably a friend of Yeah, you're right. It's like I'm

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Speaker 1: one of those people that you know, I'm one of

2133
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,280
Speaker 1: those people that you know, they get like a real

2134
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 1: axe to grind and they're like primary thing in life

2135
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 1: is like fighting against something. Then you realize that that's

2136
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:47,160
Speaker 1: what they do at night, right, and you're like, oh,

2137
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 1: I get it now. It was like this self loathing.

2138
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:56,120
Speaker 1: You're a you're a self loathing, self loathing Bigfoot lover. Yeah,

2139
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: and it's like you just can't. It's like a flame

2140
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:01,760
Speaker 1: that you can't. I think Janice and I can probably,

2141
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, we can have online meetings and help you walk.

2142
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,320
Speaker 1: There's probably twelve to help me, help me get to

2143
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 1: a point where I can just come out and say,

2144
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I just love Bigfoot and I love

2145
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 1: talking about it. I should probably know this from listening

2146
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: with the Weekend. But what's like the first recorded bigfoot

2147
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 1: sighting or evidence or anything. How how many foot span

2148
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:26,280
Speaker 1: of years we're talked about that this thing has been around. Well,

2149
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 1: there's tons of Native American stuff, um, And some of

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02:03:29,240 --> 02:03:31,360
Speaker 1: them are sightings, some of them are just more part

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02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 1: of the mythology, um. But the one that I think

2152
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 1: most people stands out for most people came in the

2153
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 1: fifties in California. So it's a pretty new thing then

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Speaker 1: for like modern American culture. Yeah, first seventy years. Yeah,

2155
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 1: the first the first time the term bigfoot was actually

2156
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:56,080
Speaker 1: used was in the fifties, fifty eight, I think. Yeah, Well,

2157
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Speaker 1: I was going to make the point that I feel like,

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02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:00,920
Speaker 1: had you been around, maybe the exes would be just

2159
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:04,240
Speaker 1: so much easier to dismiss it. Right, something new, it's crazy,

2160
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:09,640
Speaker 1: like whatever. But now that it has seventy years behind it, well,

2161
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: other than years of false leads, I'm a believer now, Buddy. Well,

2162
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: I just think a lot of other things that also

2163
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of like true solid evidence, but

2164
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 1: they have people have now believed in for many, many years,

2165
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 1: and they sort of become more real and easy to

2166
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 1: believe to match onto the more time goes by. But

2167
02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 1: you must have. I mean, the hunting community is full

2168
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:37,240
Speaker 1: of these stories, stories, bigfoot stories I have talked about.

2169
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you you can't, you can't make

2170
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Speaker 1: it real. No, But I'm just saying you must have

2171
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 1: been like hearing about this from people who listen to

2172
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 1: your show all the time. I used to live in

2173
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Michigan's Uper Peninsula for a very short period of time,

2174
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 1: and it was the thing up there and even here

2175
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Speaker 1: here in Montana, Like it was a year ago or

2176
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 1: two years ago, a guy jumped out in front of

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Speaker 1: a car with a big foot's big foot stud on,

2178
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 1: got hit by the car and killed him. What. Yeah,

2179
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: it was in northwest Montana. Yeah, I remember hearing about that.

2180
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 1: So it's like like trying to pray a prank on people.

2181
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:08,320
Speaker 1: You traumatize someone who's not going to live with the

2182
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:11,560
Speaker 1: idea they hit and killed. Well, and also you're dead. Yeah,

2183
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean I mean that. I mean

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02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like, but that's like your own call. Get that

2185
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 1: out of that's your own call to make, that's your

2186
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 1: own call to maker. You want to if you want

2187
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 1: to put a student on and jump in front of

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02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,240
Speaker 1: a car that comes with inherent risks. I think that

2189
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:27,080
Speaker 1: anyone could point out to you, But I'm just putting

2190
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 1: a person. You're putting a motorist in the situation of

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Speaker 1: having had to live with the fact that they killed you.

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02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, have you heard stories from some of

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Speaker 1: the hunters that you've interacted with and talked to that

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02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 1: are similar to what I'm talking about. Where's the stories

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02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 1: that have really sort of shaken them to their core.

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02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,520
Speaker 1: I've heard stories from a lot of hunters about seeing

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Speaker 1: inexplicable things in the woods, but not that in particular.

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Speaker 1: I no doubt hang out with people who um, I

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Speaker 1: have a friend who tells the story of a mule deer.

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02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 1: They can bowl bullets away by going okay, So yes,

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Speaker 1: I I know and hang out with an associate with

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02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 1: people who are open to the metaphysical UM. But but

2203
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:09,520
Speaker 1: I do not tell me more about this mule deer.

2204
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about it. Could be my

2205
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 1: next be that could be season two. I was told

2206
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:18,919
Speaker 1: about it. UM one last thing for me. We're good.

2207
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, that did brought up a thought that

2208
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:24,760
Speaker 1: I had that didn't make a note of but is

2209
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Speaker 1: there is there? Season two? D see big this is

2210
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 1: a one season thing. I'm moving on to the next thing.

2211
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Speaker 1: What's the next thing? Not the Lockness Monster, not the Yetty,

2212
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm going fishing in Lockness did So here's an interesting thing.

2213
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:41,440
Speaker 1: So there's a scientist out in Scotland right now who says, Okay,

2214
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 1: I am going to look for the Lockness Monster. He

2215
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 1: doesn't think Lockness is real, but I'm going to do

2216
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Speaker 1: this by doing DNA environmental DNA analysis of the lake

2217
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 1: and we will see what else has been in there.

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Speaker 1: I think the chances of me finding a Lockness Monster

2219
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 1: are slim to zero, but who knows what else has

2220
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,000
Speaker 1: in in there because they can get so much information

2221
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: out of these teeny tiny pieces of DNA, now that

2222
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 1: it's like they can. They might find DNA of ancient sharks,

2223
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 1: they might find all kinds of stuff. So that's one

2224
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 1: of the other cool things about this cryptozoology stuff is

2225
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:16,360
Speaker 1: often you will use something like Luckness or Bigfoot or

2226
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:19,520
Speaker 1: the Yety as the hook to get people interested, and

2227
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 1: then you go out and find out all this other

2228
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,000
Speaker 1: cool stuff. Yeah, so you lure him in with bullshit

2229
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:27,360
Speaker 1: but then teach them something, teach them something real and interesting. Yeah,

2230
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who we do. We don't

2231
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:34,320
Speaker 1: necessarily a really long wrap up go ahead. No, I'm

2232
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:36,400
Speaker 1: just saying that it's like a good thing. If the

2233
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 1: end result is that people know more about science, wildlife,

2234
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:43,560
Speaker 1: outdoors and whatever, it's great. Yeah, if it gets him

2235
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Speaker 1: out into the woods. I think of the risk you're running, though,

2236
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 1: why not lurement with something that's not Why not lurem

2237
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Speaker 1: in with If we're gonna talk about Washington State all

2238
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:56,520
Speaker 1: the above, why not lure them into the problem with

2239
02:07:56,680 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 1: the fact that, like at this very moment, there may

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Speaker 1: or may not be a grizzly bear on the U. S.

2241
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,960
Speaker 1: Side of the you know, on the U. S. Side

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Cascades. Yeah, that's a great question that

2243
02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 1: gets a certain segment of the population excited. People because

2244
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 1: there we got a thing that really is mysterious and

2245
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 1: really does need some protection and really is something that

2246
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:26,480
Speaker 1: we need to get people on board with. Or the

2247
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: fact that we now do not have any caribou in

2248
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:35,640
Speaker 1: again Bigfoot central Washington State, We do not have any

2249
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Speaker 1: caribou that cross into Washington State. Though in your father's

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Speaker 1: and grandfather's lifetime, there were. We don't have any caribou

2251
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Speaker 1: that cross in the ido and in your life lifetime

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Speaker 1: there were. There's plenty of rare wildlife out there to apply,

2253
02:08:54,520 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 1: are you know? Emotions and science too. You're in a

2254
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 1: constructive fashion, Um quick, Laura was going to answer what's next?

2255
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Speaker 1: You were? I thought you were like not. I actually

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's next. I have some ideas that

2257
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Speaker 1: are like very nascent, but they are not ready to

2258
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:17,200
Speaker 1: be shared with the world. So you're kicking some stuff around. Yeah,

2259
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:18,880
Speaker 1: but I just need to figure out, like if they're

2260
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 1: even feasible at this point from a getting access to

2261
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:26,160
Speaker 1: information point of view. You know, I think you ought

2262
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Speaker 1: to do what now? Never mind what I I'll tell

2263
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Speaker 1: good standing with me and Laura Crants. Thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for coming on. I'll tell you my hot tip

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Speaker 1: about what's your next show out to be about, and um,

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Speaker 1: I look forward to getting a lot of angry emails.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who's seen a bigfoot, please right in. I will

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Speaker 1: share your story on a future episode of the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and thanks for having me on.