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Speaker 2: A very happy Thursday to you, and I am very happy.

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Speaker 2: I am very very happy erin Torres. You want to

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Speaker 2: know why I could take a couple guesses, but I'll

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Speaker 2: let you. Uh, I'll let you tell me.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: I could have come in a really sour mood because

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Speaker 2: nobody here yesterday wished me a happy half birthday. No

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Speaker 2: one did at all. The card is always in the mail.

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Speaker 2: I can't speak for not a not a half birthday yesterday.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I didn't even say anything to see if

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Speaker 2: you guys would wish me the happy half birthday. So

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Speaker 2: I came here today for flesh. I came for my

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Speaker 2: pound of flesh. But I was softened because it's the

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Speaker 2: first round of the Open Championship. It is also errand

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Speaker 2: a day where we found out that the Seahawks and Buccaneers,

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Speaker 2: who came into the National Football League in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: honoring their fiftiest seasons in the league. Will be wearing

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Speaker 2: both teams their throwback uniforms when they play in early October.

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Speaker 2: Bucco Bruce will be there, the Seahawks and their old

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Speaker 2: silver helmets that were such a hit when they were

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Speaker 2: brought back last year. It really really made me feel good.

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Speaker 2: And you know what else made me feel good. Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark is in the news again. Can they had a

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Speaker 2: fever star? Yes, we are talking Kitlyn Clark, fresh off

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Speaker 2: of that huge SPI win last night of WNBA. I

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Speaker 2: can't even say it with a straight face.

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Speaker 3: Erin.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we're gonna give you updates throughout. If

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Speaker 2: you missed any of the SP's last night, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: kind of give you a little flavor of it. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure. Do the guys have it cooked up? Do

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Speaker 2: we have a little bit? Oh, they're working in the back.

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Speaker 2: There so so much to recap that if you missed

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Speaker 2: any of the worst TV show in the history of

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Speaker 2: TV shows, we're going to bring some of it to you.

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Speaker 2: Shing Gillis was on fire last night, but the whole

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Speaker 2: premise of the the SP's pretty much annoys the heck

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Speaker 2: out of me. But we'll still give you a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a flavor if you missed it.

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Speaker 3: You know what the sps are.

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Speaker 4: A good example of that is the dude who tells

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Speaker 4: you when his half birthday is so that you have

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Speaker 4: to then write down when his actual birthday is, or

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Speaker 4: you know, you feel guilty about it after So what would.

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Speaker 3: It was too much to ask?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was too much to ask that

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Speaker 2: six months from now, now less than that, I will

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Speaker 2: be having another birthday. What I mean, Manzi's is next

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Speaker 2: week her half birthday?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yes it is? What were you more effic?

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Speaker 5: But I don't care about my half birthday.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for reminding me Dan that it's my half birthday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my literal birthday was last week and I

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Speaker 4: got zero from you.

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Speaker 3: But that's good. That's true.

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Speaker 2: He's got this conundrum where he's like, fourth of July

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Speaker 4: My adversary is July fourth too. Yeah, it's the whole deal,

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Speaker 4: But you know it's your wife's birthday or something as well.

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Speaker 4: July fourteenth. It was on Monday, but you know, the

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Speaker 4: most important birthday toaurus, by the way, broke now because

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Speaker 4: of everything that he had to buy the idea. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I literally looked at my bank account this week. Yes,

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Speaker 4: thank you. Yes, it's been If July just didn't exist,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'd be living a much more charmed life.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the most important day on the calendar around

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Speaker 4: this time, My dog's.

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Speaker 3: Birthday is June twenty ninth, So that's.

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Speaker 4: The that's the big celebration. And then it just slowly

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Speaker 2: The dog lovely gives you a Rondov applause for that one.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a little taste of the spis from

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Speaker 2: last night? Let's let's give it. Let's let's let's get

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Speaker 3: Taste and who cares? Wow, that was my favorite one too.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to save the flatulence for later, but to

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Speaker 3: And the sp goes too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, enough, we can't continuously play

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Speaker 2: it because I've taken FCC training. I think I'm already

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Speaker 2: pushing the limits. Caitlyn Clark, I'm sorry eron your point

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Speaker 2: about Kaitlin Clark who by always gonna miss the All

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Speaker 2: reason why she sat out last year's three point shootout

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Speaker 2: was so she could take part of this year's three

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Speaker 2: point shootout, and then she gets hurt. It seems to

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Speaker 2: Clark in the Indiana Fever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that it's obviously a bummer. Listen,

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Speaker 4: you know, she's why we watched, She's why we're interested.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting. I feel like.

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Speaker 4: Last year we no one could have a genuine, honest

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Speaker 4: to crown her, You don't want to this Why is that?

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Speaker 4: Why does she get so much attention? And now this year?

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Speaker 3: Am I the only one that.

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Speaker 4: Noticing that she's kind of struggle in a little bit

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Speaker 4: this year? Point total down, rebounding total down to her credit,

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Speaker 4: year ago. Listen, injuries happen, Disappointing seasons happen. I get

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Speaker 4: all that. But if we didn't have the honest conversation

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Speaker 4: about Kaitlyn Clark last year, it feels like it's time

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Speaker 4: like there's almost a you know, correction of sorts of well,

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Speaker 4: we were too critical, we didn't give enough credit last year,

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Speaker 4: so we have to continue to give credit even when

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Speaker 2: This year, I don't think we're remotely close to having

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Speaker 2: that honest conversation, That's what I mean. Yeah, like it is,

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Speaker 2: it is not to that point. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it. You're not the only one who's

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Speaker 2: And then I was doing a show with Carrie Rhodes,

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Speaker 2: me during football season. The former All Pro safety is

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Speaker 2: a hoopad and he pointed out some of the numbers

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Speaker 2: all right, dude, whatever, you know. I like, this is

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Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark, That's what's going on. But the point is

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Speaker 2: discussion about Caitlyn Clark, there is a lot of room

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Speaker 2: when we definitely weren't ready to have a real conversation

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Speaker 2: about Caitlin Clark, and he was criticized heavily because he

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Speaker 2: I think last night at the I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: does she win Best w NBA Player? Sure like there's

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Speaker 2: there's there's there's no point in in pointing that out.

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Speaker 2: But when you're putting her ninth in the backcourt of

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Speaker 2: There seems to be like a sort of bias. I

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Speaker 2: also think that the overcorrection is obviously a bias as well,

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Speaker 2: it is just as bad as if you heavily criticize

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Speaker 2: her or say that she's not good enough, and I

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Speaker 2: that point because you have you know, Jamie Hill was

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Speaker 2: it's for people's argument. When it's not convenient for their argument,

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Speaker 2: now used by the people who unwillingly or I should say,

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Speaker 2: unvalidate without validation. Last year, we're criticizing Gitlin Clark. Now

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Speaker 2: they have the numbers on their side. Last year it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of things on that.

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, you know, I want to be clear,

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Speaker 4: just because she's struggling in a way that she didn't

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Speaker 4: last year doesn't mean that she can't go on to

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Speaker 4: do at IOWA a year ago. You know, we all

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Speaker 4: so it's not to say that she can't reach the

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Speaker 4: potential that we all think she can get to. But again,

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Speaker 4: it's also the honest conversation. And I swear you're gonna

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Speaker 4: laugh at this. When I saw that she won the

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Speaker 4: she was really good last year. Her team lost early

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs, she was awesome, She put up record

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Speaker 4: want to acknowledge her last year. Not you, but the

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Speaker 4: hypothetical proverbial audience that watches this and covers it in whatever,

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Speaker 4: And it feels like, oh, man, like we screwed up.

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Speaker 4: So we have to, you know, for lack of a

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Speaker 4: better term, participation trophy her with pretty much everything. She's awesome.

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Speaker 4: She's amazing, she's this, she's that. And to your point,

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Speaker 4: you know, the people aren't talking about the stats, which

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Speaker 4: are clearly regressing. And I think it's worth noting that, yes,

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Speaker 4: she has been injured.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: But one thing about all these great athletes, no matter

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Speaker 4: yes we understand that you're not one hundred percent, but

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Speaker 4: we hold you to a certain standard. You know, whether

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Speaker 4: Hurts two seasons ago. He was banged up the back

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Speaker 4: half of the year. But it's like, oh, what's wrong

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Speaker 4: with Jalen Hurts? Did they pay him too soon? Blah

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, you know, starts slow because he misses training camp.

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Speaker 4: Well what, well, why isn't Joe Burrow? And so the

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Speaker 4: only point I'm trying to make is I understand she's injured,

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Speaker 4: expectation that if you're healthy enough to play, that you're

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Speaker 4: going to contribute and if you're struggling, we will be

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Speaker 4: critical of that. And I think I think people have

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Speaker 4: largely avoided that this year.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I don't think that we can have

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Speaker 2: If I could do less than zero, I would, I

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Speaker 2: would because I agree negative nine million into.

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Speaker 6: I would say that she wasn't the player of the year.

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Speaker 6: She's the rookie of the year. Maybe for all of

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Speaker 6: the things she did bringing attention and breaking bars, she's

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Speaker 6: the player of the year in the SP's eyes. But

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Speaker 6: it's like where do you start the calendar? Where do

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Speaker 6: you start looking at the good? The good runs to

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Speaker 6: a certain amount, and then then it's like a story.

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Speaker 6: You have your ups and your downs, your triumphs and

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Speaker 6: your failures.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is that Mantia I do want to

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Speaker 2: just quick get your thoughts and then we'll put a

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Speaker 2: ball on it. The sps are for ratings, and there

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Speaker 2: were ten WNBA teams in action last night, so nobody

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Speaker 2: of the WNBA was in attendance, So there's nobody there

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Speaker 2: to boo. Nobody there, And if you actually cared about

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Speaker 2: the WNBA, you were probably watching the games that were

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Speaker 2: being played instead of a stupid award show that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean anything. And so they just gave the award to

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Speaker 2: Kitlin Clark because it's better for their ratings. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: to see if Caitlin Clark would win. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: I gotta watch next year. That's the only reason why

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Speaker 2: she got it. Sorry, Manzi, back to square one. You've

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Speaker 2: always been a Caitlin Clark backer like Sam.

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Speaker 5: I have been, and I am, and I understand to

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Speaker 5: an extent when you guys are saying that overall, honestly,

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Speaker 5: it's just been an underwhelming second year for Kaitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 5: And it's been underwhelming, whether it's injury, whether it's stressed,

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Speaker 5: whether it has just been underwhelming.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I just want to reiter at the point

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Speaker 4: that I made earlier. It doesn't mean that she can't

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Speaker 4: continue to blossom. You know, I have a reference that

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Speaker 4: you know, Michael Jordan, we all watched left the last

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Speaker 4: dance like year two was wiped out by a foot injury,

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Speaker 4: and I went back and looked it up average thirty

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Speaker 4: seven the next year.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not saying I'm just saying it's this.

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Speaker 5: Isn't a judgment to what it's going to be like

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Speaker 5: for the future. Is just right now underwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I agree Aaron called in an overcorrection, and I just

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Speaker 2: think that a different audience has different ammunition. Now that's true,

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Speaker 2: like the power of the stats or the power of

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Speaker 2: statistics has now switched in your argument, in your in

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Speaker 2: not your but in the biased argument around Kaitlin Clark.

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Speaker 4: And the only thing I would say is I call

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Speaker 4: it an overcorrection. But to your point, by definition, if

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Speaker 4: you've already decided and you're not getting off of that,

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Speaker 4: then you can't overcorrect because your decision was already made,

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Speaker 4: probably before she came into the WNBA, but certainly by

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Speaker 4: the end of the season last year.

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Speaker 3: He's eron Torres.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan byer Monci is here, as is Iowa Sam

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bersinger as our executive producer, because I feel a

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Speaker 2: draft our tirect player of the Day comes up in

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Speaker 2: a bit as well. But I brought up Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: and while he may be sitting there in this shadow

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Speaker 2: of Caitlin Clark, should he really be in the shadow

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Speaker 2: of others in Major League Baseball? We'll talk about it

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Speaker 2: next on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Sure to catch us live every weekday three to five

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Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your

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Speaker 1: local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Montt didn't have an update, But if you missed any

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Speaker 2: of the SP's last night, here's a little taste.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and the SP goes.

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Speaker 2: Too, Okay, do we have anything outside of.

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Speaker 3: You have anything? Okay? Okay, alright, goes too okay. There.

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Speaker 3: What a waste of time the SPS were. And I

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Speaker 3: know that we've maybe wasted.

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Speaker 2: More time talking about how much of a waste of

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Speaker 2: time the SPS were. But like, let's on our athletes again.

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Speaker 2: Who needs an MVP award when you've got this amazing,

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Speaker 2: amazing Aaron Judge. I don't think he was there last night.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. You didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge is getting ready for the second half of

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Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball season. He's sitting there with a

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Speaker 2: career home run total that saw him be the fastest

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Speaker 2: player to ever reach three hundred and fifty home runs,

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Speaker 2: and for how quickly he did it, Aaron one thousand

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Speaker 2: and eighty eight games. Mark McGuire was the second fastest

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred and eighty. That is almost two hundred games.

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Speaker 2: It was more than a full season of games for

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge to reach three hundred and fifty home runs.

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Speaker 2: He did it in a season plus quicker than Mark

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Speaker 2: McGuire did. I find that feat remarkable considering how much

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Speaker 2: I feel that we care about home runs. So on

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Speaker 2: the heels of us talking about Caitlyn Clark and last year,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make an argument on how Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: is more popular. I'm not sure if that's the case now,

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Speaker 2: aside from our Caitlin Clark conversation, because I don't think

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Speaker 2: we're making a bigger deal or as big of a

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Speaker 2: deal out of where he he is right now, the

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Speaker 2: season that he's having right now, and what Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: is actually doing on the diamond.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny you and I filled in, I believe

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Speaker 4: for cn R maybe Gottlieb. A few weeks ago, the

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Speaker 4: night the day after Clayton Kershaw got his three thousand strikeout,

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Speaker 4: we started talking about records that will never be broken

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Speaker 4: and who's on pace for this and what it would

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Speaker 4: take for whoever, you know who. I can't even remember

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Speaker 4: who's the next guy online, but anyway, how long it

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Speaker 4: would take so and so to get there and so

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Speaker 4: to have a stat like this for a to your point,

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Speaker 4: a record that is arguably, I mean, I know it's

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Speaker 4: a little skewed because of the Barry Bond stuff, but

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Speaker 4: arguably one of the most coveted records in all of sports.

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Speaker 4: We have a guy living it every day on you know,

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Speaker 4: on path to be in the conversation by the end,

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Speaker 4: by the way, playing for the.

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Speaker 3: Yankees, too great point.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't mean to be a jerk, and

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Speaker 4: I know everybody always defaults to the Pittsburgh Pirates or

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Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays or the Kansas City Royals. He's

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Speaker 4: not doing this with the Royals on a fourth place team.

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Speaker 4: He is doing it for the one of the two

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Speaker 4: premieer brands in the sport. And I am surprised. I

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Speaker 4: actually didn't know about this until you brought it up yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because my argument when talking about the pictures

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Speaker 2: is I just I feel like when they were what

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Speaker 2: only you know, twenty pitchers to accomplish the feed or

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Speaker 2: or whatever it was, that it shows you how select

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Speaker 2: the company is, and so that shows you on how

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Speaker 2: special the players are, and there are certain players who

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Speaker 2: are young in their career that are just special and

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Speaker 2: will be treated different throughout. And I feel that Aaron Judge,

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Speaker 2: when we're talking about home runs, is in that conversation.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there thinking to myself, why aren't we

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Speaker 2: talking about this more? And I thought, were they talking

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Speaker 2: about this back in the day when Hank Aaron was

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Speaker 2: hitting bomb after bomb, where they like, he's sitting there

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Speaker 2: at three hundred and fifty home runs and he's almost

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Speaker 2: halfway to Babe Ruth's record of seven fourteen. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that was the conversation. In fact, throughout other players' careers.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking back of when do we really start to care,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably around five, Yeah, five hundred, I think

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Speaker 2: that's probably the correct number. But I think Judge is

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Speaker 2: giving us reason to watch, and maybe we aren't fulfilling

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Speaker 2: our duties of being interested considering the type of season

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Speaker 2: that he's having and just what he's doing with home runs.

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Speaker 2: Like I could, I could understand if people like oh

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize Era Judge in the running for you know,

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Speaker 2: the Triple Crown. Totally get that, but for the fascination

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Speaker 2: that we have for the home run and what we

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Speaker 2: love and the magical number of it. I just don't

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Speaker 2: think it's getting enough PUB.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think about this two year over year as

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Speaker 4: he hits his thirties. He turned thirty in April of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, sixty two home runs that year, thirty

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Speaker 4: seven the following year. He did miss about sixty games

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Speaker 4: fifty eight last year, and he obviously has thirty five

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Speaker 4: at the All Star break right now.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's just.

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Speaker 4: It's just incredible the amount of consistency that he has

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Speaker 4: had as he hit his thirties. And you know, I

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Speaker 4: do wonder if starting the career a little bit later

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Speaker 4: because of playing in college obviously at Fresno State, impacts

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Speaker 4: it at all. But the guy is unbelievable, And you're right,

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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly why he isn't getting more PUB.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's his personality. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if Otani just overwhelms the baseball national discourse.

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Speaker 3: But the guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: What's also a small portion of this, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: directly go into the total number of games in the

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Speaker 2: three point fifty mark, but there's a COVID season. That

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Speaker 2: great con is that he basically lost one hundred games.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say misses twenty that year. Eighty games that

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Speaker 2: he misses half of a season, and we're talking about greatness.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see at the end of the of

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Speaker 2: his career on if that's going to end up playing

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Speaker 2: playing a role.

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Speaker 4: I'll just say this, you know, it's funny, we don't

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Speaker 4: really factor that in anywhere else, you know, like with

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Speaker 4: Lebron just as a you know, historic all time great

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I guess with the NFL, they played

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Speaker 4: a full season, so that's a little bit different. But

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Speaker 4: like with Lebron, you know, we talk about how the

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Speaker 4: season was broken up, how do we judge his how

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Speaker 4: do we judge I guess maybe it's because baseball was

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Speaker 4: the only one that really had such a truncated season,

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Speaker 4: And now that we're talking it out, you know, college

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Speaker 4: basketball obviously missed the NCAA tournament. College football, I think

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Speaker 4: most of those SEC teams got in about the same

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Speaker 4: number of games that they would have in the end.

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Speaker 4: So maybe maybe it's just a uniquely baseball thing, but

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Speaker 4: that was something you know, I just saw the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty stats and kind of forgot.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right. They played what.

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Speaker 4: Sixty regular season games something to that effect in empty

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Speaker 4: stadiums that.

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Speaker 2: Year, and even at the end, it doesn't even out

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Speaker 2: because that would be in the young, you know, prime

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Speaker 2: of his career of where he could have had those

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Speaker 2: home runs, so you could have seen an astronomical number

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Speaker 2: as opposed to if you were to play, if you

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Speaker 2: were to save the energy, if we think of it

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Speaker 2: that way, or elongated his career because he didn't have

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Speaker 2: a full season. Well, I would rather have the games

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Speaker 2: when I'm been on the back end of when I'm

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Speaker 2: in my late thirties trying to.

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Speaker 4: Hit twenty eight. He would have been twenty twenty. That's

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Speaker 4: your physical peak.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, he is Aeron Torres. I'm Dan Byer.

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Speaker 2: Only cal Raley right now standing in the way of

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge and that triple crown, plus what Showhey Otani does.

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Speaker 2: I feel overshadows Judge just because of the uniqueness of

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Speaker 2: show Ay and his greatness. I feel that that also

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Speaker 2: plays a role in all of this. He is Aeron Torres.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. To The Doug Gotleb Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gotlieb Show at

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Speaker 2: Joining us now, or good buddy at Basketball Talk. Kurt

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Speaker 2: Healin joining us here on Fox Sports Radio to talk

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Speaker 2: hoops and so much more. I again, I tabbed you

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Speaker 2: Kurt sexual healing a long time ago. I still hope

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Speaker 2: nobody stole that title, Kurt, But great to talk.

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Speaker 3: To you again. How are you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, even my wife doesn't want to take that title

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Speaker 7: for me, So I don't know what to say. Man,

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure where.

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Speaker 3: I go with it. All Right?

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Speaker 2: What does the lead NBA Rider, a managing editor at

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Speaker 2: NBC dot com think of the Bradley Beal signing with

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Clippers.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a good signing for the Clippers at

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Speaker 7: that price. Look, the question wasn't could Bradley Beal still play?

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Speaker 3: Some like?

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Speaker 7: Bradley Beal still a solid player, even if he's declined

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Speaker 7: a little. It was the fifty million dollars. It was

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Speaker 7: kind of the issue making teams balk. The Clippers get admit,

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Speaker 7: you know, five point three million this year. That's a

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Speaker 7: good salary, and he steps right into a role for them.

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Speaker 7: Everybody in the league knew this was going to happen

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Speaker 7: the second they traded Norm Powell like this. He steps

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Speaker 7: right into the role Norm Powell had for them last year,

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Speaker 7: kind of off the bench, runs the second unit, can

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Speaker 7: play next to James hard and shoot threes, defend a little,

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Speaker 7: give them twenty five to thirty solid minutes a night,

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Speaker 7: and we're going to see if Biel can still do that.

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Speaker 7: I kind of think he's going to be I don't

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Speaker 7: know if he's going to be as good as Norm

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Speaker 7: Powell was last year. Who was I think people kind

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Speaker 7: of slept on that because nobody was watching the Clippers.

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Speaker 7: He was like a borderline All Star. He was really

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Speaker 7: good last year. But I think he'll be solid. So

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Speaker 7: I think it at that price, man, it's a good signing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if Lebron was going to sit out the game,

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Speaker 2: Norman Paul was the one who caught the expense of

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Speaker 2: that deal.

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Speaker 3: The whole deal. He could get a play it in

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Speaker 3: the game. Sorry, go ahead, Aeron, No, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: I was actually going to ask the most cliche NBA

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Speaker 4: sports talk radio question imaginable, which is about Lebron James,

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Speaker 4: and basically, is there is there a market for him?

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Speaker 4: Is there a scenario where he isn't a Laker? Because

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Speaker 4: I just look at a guy making fifty three million

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Speaker 4: next year all of the caveats that come with that,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's fun to talk about Lebron James

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Speaker 4: hypothetically on another team this coming season.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how that's realistic.

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Speaker 7: You've kind of nailed it like this. Look, I just

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Speaker 7: got back because six days in Vegas was enough. Man,

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Speaker 7: I had to get out. But I I mean, at

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Speaker 7: six days in Vegas, that's what the topic at Summer League.

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Speaker 7: Everybody wanted to talk talk about it. But kind of

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Speaker 7: like you said, everybody wanted to talk about it, and

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Speaker 7: within about a minute the conversation, conversation turned to a shrug.

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Speaker 7: Because Lebron has a no trade clause, so he's not

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Speaker 7: going to go first off. Historically has never given money back,

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Speaker 7: right like he's he's not like, hey, hey, I don't

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Speaker 7: need all fifty million. No, that's not how Lebron has

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Speaker 7: ever operated. And he signed the contract, he gets his money.

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Speaker 7: The other part of that is, since he has the

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Speaker 7: no trade clause, he completely controls the process and where

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Speaker 7: he's going to go. And he's only going to go

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Speaker 7: to a couple of teams, like he might be open

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Speaker 7: to New York or Cleveland, or you know, you can

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Speaker 7: come up with a couple where he might be interested,

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Speaker 7: but then put together a trade and it falls apart quickly,

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Speaker 7: like there's just no Cleveland is a favorite example, Like

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Speaker 7: a lot of fans wanted to go back there. They

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Speaker 7: are over the second apron, which means they can't even

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Speaker 7: aggregate players in that trade. It has to be a

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Speaker 7: one for one swap of almost exact money. They can't

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Speaker 7: take back more money. The Lakers can't really take back

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Speaker 7: more money. There's just no deal to be made. And

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Speaker 7: it's kind of that way across the board everywhere you look.

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Speaker 7: So I know it's been written about. I kind of

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Speaker 7: followed up with what Dan Roiki wrote, But everybody assumes

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Speaker 7: right now he is a Laker, probably all of next

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Speaker 7: season now next summer. Then it gets interesting.

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Speaker 2: KURTI, He'll enjoining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's

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Speaker 2: erin Torres. I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb. I

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Speaker 2: was here the morning that Lebron opted in and ended

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Speaker 2: up not getting an extension or getting a one and

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Speaker 2: one from the Lakers. How much did that catch the

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Speaker 2: rest of the league off guard? Because that's my thought, Kurt.

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Speaker 2: You can correct me if I'm wrong, that no other

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Speaker 2: team was built or ready to maybe have Lebron this season.

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Speaker 2: How much did that play into it in the other

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Speaker 2: teams being surprised?

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Speaker 7: There were teams with some optionality there just because everybody

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Speaker 7: was everybody was still playing the what about Yannis game? Right,

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Speaker 7: And there was plenty of market for Yannis at a

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Speaker 7: similar price point, just because at this point in their careers,

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Speaker 7: with Yannis being like ten years younger, he's just better, right,

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Speaker 7: Like Gianness is still a guy you can build a

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Speaker 7: championship team around. So there was some optionality, but there

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Speaker 7: wasn't much. And I think you got it right when

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Speaker 7: the reaction around the league was largely, oh, he opted in.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't He didn't use his leverage to get a second

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Speaker 7: year or anything. He just opted in and released what

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Speaker 7: was a who was gonna call it a passive aggressive statement,

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Speaker 7: a semi aggressive statement. It was a little more than passive.

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Speaker 7: Through Rich Paul, it really read around the league as like,

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Speaker 7: I'm not happy not being like he's been the focus

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Speaker 7: of every team he's ever been on. Right, he's been

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Speaker 7: the focus and he's not now, and it's kind of

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Speaker 7: a weird vibe for him.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I actually I was talking to my wife

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Speaker 4: about this exact thing. We live in LA and I

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Speaker 4: was kind of explaining, like it's just the first time

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Speaker 4: since he was sixteen that everything isn't built around him. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to turn this into a lebron segment,

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Speaker 4: but I think it's inevitable. I will ask you because

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Speaker 4: I feel like, and I know I believe you at

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Speaker 4: least used to live in southern California. Kurr, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you because I do think living

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Speaker 4: in LA. I'm not a born and bred LA or

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Speaker 4: Lakers fan whatever. I think it's an interesting conversation about

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Speaker 4: what his legacy would be, assuming that nothing crazy happens

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Speaker 4: and what we assume is his final season next year,

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Speaker 4: because yes, he brought a title to the city, Yes

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Speaker 4: they made a Western Conference finals, but you could correct us.

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Speaker 4: I mean multiple miss playoffs, multiple first round exits, including

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Speaker 4: this year, and we know what the standard of the

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Speaker 4: Lakers is with all of the all time greats. I

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Speaker 4: would just be curious if next season goes as planned

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Speaker 4: they don't win a championship because I don't think they're

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Speaker 4: among the favorites. What do you think his legacy specifically

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Speaker 4: as a Laker will be to that specific fan base?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, first off, they're not winning a championship this year

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Speaker 7: without some changes. Really, the only thing they lack is

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Speaker 7: defense and shooting.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Doug's famous line is other than that, Missus Lincoln, how

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Speaker 2: is the show.

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Speaker 7: Pretty pretty much the same thing as a Laker. It's

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Speaker 7: a second tier thing, right, Like he did bring a championship.

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Speaker 7: He was the face of the franchise for a while

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Speaker 7: for years and filled the building. But he's not gonna

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Speaker 7: be Kobe Magic Shack, you know one, Jerry West. He's

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Speaker 7: a little ahead of Eddie, He's behind George Mikens still there.

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Speaker 7: It's but it's kind of a second tier thing largely

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Speaker 7: because of just he was. I mean, he's been with

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Speaker 7: the Lakers. This would be the eighth season I believe,

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Speaker 7: so It's not like it's no time, but it is.

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Speaker 7: It is one ring, and it's not quite the same

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Speaker 7: iconic legacy that you know, Kobe spent his entire career

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Speaker 7: there and did all this magic, spent his entire career

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Speaker 7: there and did you know West, same thing. So it's

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Speaker 7: just a little bit of a different vibe because Lebron

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Speaker 7: bounced around a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit like that.

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Speaker 7: So I would say that's kind of the differ, friends,

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Speaker 7: but it is definitely second with the Lakers alone, it's

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Speaker 7: second tier. Winning that championship in LA And how well

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Speaker 7: he's still playing at age forty is part really part

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Speaker 7: of and kind of at the heart that legacy and

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Speaker 7: how good he's been for so long is at the

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Speaker 7: legacy of his goat argument right like that he's still, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: he's still I was putting together my vote lest year.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, he's second team All NBA. He is still

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Speaker 7: a top ten player in the league at forty, and

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Speaker 7: that's insane.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Hellen joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's

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Speaker 2: erin Torres. I'm Dan byer in for Doug kur At,

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Speaker 2: the lead NBA writer for embass sports dot Com covering

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Speaker 2: the association. I do have some summer league questions. But

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Speaker 2: I've got one more of a big name in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: and it's this latest profile put out by ESPN on

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Speaker 2: Joel Embiid in the seventy six ers. Now you got

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Speaker 2: Paul George with another knee surgery. Things doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: be a great offseason for Philadelphia, although draft wise they

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Speaker 2: could be working out all right. But where are the

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Speaker 2: six at this point? And should there be any concern

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Speaker 2: that Joel Embiid's worried about locker room leaks as opposed

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Speaker 2: to maybe his health and everything next season?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you should be worried about everything with the Sixers,

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Speaker 7: locker room leaks, knees hips, feet, you know. I guys,

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Speaker 7: I'm honestly for later tonight or tomorrow. I was putting

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Speaker 7: together my NBA Power rankings that have come out, Like

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Speaker 7: I said, later tonight or tomorrow morning, depending on what

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Speaker 7: my editor wants. But I have them. I think fourteenth

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Speaker 7: in the middle, and I'm like, this is either too

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Speaker 7: high or too low. And I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 7: know what to do with that team because if it clicks,

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Speaker 7: like you said, look, VJ. Edge Combs really nice, really

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Speaker 7: athletic from people who haven't got to see him play. Stylistically,

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Speaker 7: he's not as good as Anthony Edwards, but he plays

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Speaker 7: with that kind of downhill athletic force, like he's that

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Speaker 7: style of player. You put him back there with Jared

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Speaker 7: McCain and and they're point guard and suddenly you've got

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Speaker 7: like a really nice combo. But it all still hinges

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Speaker 7: on Embiid and Paul George, like with Tyres Maxy. They

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Speaker 7: got a future with those guys, but it's still all

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Speaker 7: about George and Embiid being healthy and now they're having

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Speaker 7: both having some off seat, you know, coming back, and

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we're gonna be ready for training camp,

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Speaker 7: And yeah, I don't know, man, I genuinely don't know

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Speaker 7: what to do with that team.

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Speaker 4: All I was gonna say last one for me. You

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Speaker 4: mentioned the power rank. He's certainly not going to ask

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Speaker 4: you to reveal too much. But is there a team

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Speaker 4: that maybe maybe you're either a little bit higher on

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Speaker 4: or a little bit lower on than the consensus.

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Speaker 7: Then the consensus. I'm really high on Orlando. I think

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Speaker 7: they're I think they're third in the East and climbing fast.

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Speaker 7: The Desmond Bane pickup was great. They got some shooting

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Speaker 7: to go, Tyas Jones was kind of a perfect little

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Speaker 7: backup point guard fit. I really like where that team

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Speaker 7: is headed. The other team who had a really good

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Speaker 7: off season in the East, and the East just feels

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Speaker 7: more open. Like Houston had a great offseason and everybody

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Speaker 7: knows it and they're contenders. But Atlanta had a really

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Speaker 7: nice offseason, guys, and like suddenly they get Jalen Johnson

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Speaker 7: backed and healthy, which would be huge because he was

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Speaker 7: monster last year until he got injured. They got some

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Speaker 7: better depth and everything around them. And if Poorzing, like

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Speaker 7: if porzingis is healthy, man, that's another team to be

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Speaker 7: top four and a kind of a threat in the

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Speaker 7: playoffs in the East because they've got all the pieces.

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Speaker 7: If they can just if it just comes together right

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Speaker 7: for Quinn Snyder, I'm really intrigued by them.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta and Orlando a new world Eastern conference in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we let you go, Curtie Elin, after

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Speaker 2: six days in Vegas, what are your what's your biggest

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Speaker 2: summer league takeaway from what you saw in Sin City?

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, look at the top of the list. I'll

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Speaker 7: give you the one Cooper Flag is as good as

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Speaker 7: the hype. Like he was struggled a little with his

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Speaker 7: shot in his first game, Carta Bryant did a defensive

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Speaker 7: job on him for the Spurs for a stretch, but

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Speaker 7: the end of the day, what's great about him is

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Speaker 7: like even when his shot wasn't falling, his floor is

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Speaker 7: like multiple time All Star because he just defends and

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Speaker 7: he hustles and he gets points in transition and he

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Speaker 7: can do all this. He does everything else well. And

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Speaker 7: if like your concern is just like he's got to

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Speaker 7: work on his handles and his his you know, ability

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Speaker 7: to create offense, A little like that will come so

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Speaker 7: he lives up to the hype. I'll tell you the

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Speaker 7: other guy who's just fun, Yang Hansen, the Chinese. Like

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Speaker 7: we all went who what seem like he's a second

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Speaker 7: round pick. I like, he's got to get a lot stronger.

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Speaker 7: His defense is as bad as advertised. It's it's an issue.

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Speaker 2: He's fun, you said, you said, Carter Bryant, I thought,

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Speaker 2: well lost of what he did for San Antonio.

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Speaker 7: I love that pick. Again, there's a guy where the

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Speaker 7: offense needs to come along. But the fact that you're

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Speaker 7: going to go out on on with the what they've

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Speaker 7: got out there, Like the Fox is a pretty good defender.

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Speaker 7: People kind of forget you're gonna get around Fox, or

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Speaker 7: you're gonna have to fight around Dylan Harper, who's long

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Speaker 7: and athletic and a really good defender. Or you get

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Speaker 7: by Carter Bryant on the wing and you're like, man,

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Speaker 7: that was a lot of work. Oh it's Wemby. Sure,

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be a top ten defensive team this year.

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Speaker 7: And as their offense starts to click, like when you

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Speaker 7: talk to people in Vegas about like the future, and

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Speaker 7: everybody's like, right now, right, you got to get past

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma City, and did Houston do enough to Denver, who

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Speaker 7: had a great offseason doing enough? You start talking two

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Speaker 7: or three years down the line, they're all like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 7: san Antonio, it's gonna be so good when it all

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Speaker 7: They've got a lot of good young players. Wemby started

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Speaker 7: starting to figure it out. He's ten best player in

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Speaker 7: the world. He's gonna win Defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 7: and he's still got so much more growth, Like it's, yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be a beast down there in a couple

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Speaker 7: of years. Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, both at growth as a professional and maybe scaringly enough,

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Speaker 2: maybe physically. Who knows, but Kurt Healing, thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for the time. Yeah, grows anymore. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get from Wemby, but uh.

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Speaker 7: He's not gonna be able to fit in any shell.

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Speaker 3: Keep growing.

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Speaker 2: Very very well, Kurt, Thanks for the time. I always

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Speaker 2: love talking you enjoy the rest of the summer.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Take care man.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Healing, lead NBA writer for embercsports dot com. He's

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Speaker 2: erin Torres. I'm dan Byer