1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back in another edition of 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: the link Kick Extra Podcast Tuesday morning, April thirteenth, Year 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: of Our Lord twenty twenty one. But hey, I'm not 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: here to tell you how to live your life. It 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: could very well be the afternoon before you're listening to this. 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't even want to tell producer Jordan how to 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: edit his life. It could very well be the afternoon. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Excuse me, allergies Paulen really bad in Nashville. Yeah, yeah, 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm about to say, hold on, had another one, Jordan. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: You can choose to leave the sneezes in or not. 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to tell him how to edit 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: his life. It may very well be the afternoon before 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: this is even released. You know, I'd really love for 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: someone one day to explain to me, maybe if it 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: takes five minutes or less, how this happens. I have 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: not sneezed once this morning. I've been up four or 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: five hours. I've been in two meetings. I have not 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 1: sneezed once. I hit record boom right out of the gate. 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Ho'ch you So, yeah, that's my struggle. I'm not complaining 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: to though, because things are fractionally as bad in Nashville, 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: as they no doubt are back home in Georgia. So 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I've lived with it my whole life. I will I 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: will continue to saddle this bird, and if this is 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: as bad as it gets for me, I can take it. 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: We have got a loaded mail bag this morning. I 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: am I don't even know if I told you my name. 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm Josh pay. The name of the pod is the 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. We do all Q and A. 29 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: In fact, it is a triply loaded Q and A 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: week for reasons I'm about to state. If you want 31 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: to submit questions for this podcast though, Josh Paid seven 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: zero six at gmail dot com, or you can DM 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: me on Instagram or Twitter at late Kick Josh. The 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Instagram account is growing by leaps and bounds. Maybe some 35 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: of you out there have an account, but you never 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: log in. I'd even encourage you to give me a 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: follow over there. I'm telling you, many of you know 38 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Many of you will find out 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: when it gets closer to the season. You're gonna see 40 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: some really really good content over there. You don't get 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: anywhere else. You don't get it anywhere else. I'm telling you, 42 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: because very few people are in the spots that I'll 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: be in come fall, so go ahead and beat the 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: rush and following out. Also, because we got over two 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: thousand on the aforementioned Instagram page, we were approaching three thousand. 46 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Actually we won't be far away from that. We have 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: got a Late Kickshow Owners Association meeting coming up. We're 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: recording that thing tomorrow night, tomorrow being Wednesday. It's not live. 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that's when it's going down. It 50 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: will be available in its entirety on the YouTube channel. 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably Thursday or Friday. We'll have it 52 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: up in podcast form. We may even have to split 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: it into two bits depending on how long it goes, 54 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: so just stay tuned for that. I'll keep you updated 55 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: on the Twitter feed and whatnot at Late Kick Josh 56 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: as well on Twitter, but keep an eye on that. 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: If you weren't drawn in the lottery this time, as 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I said, don't worry, because we're going to have another 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: one fairly shortly. So we got so many names. We 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: got hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of names, so don't worry. 61 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: This format is going to be a lot better. I 62 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: think when you watch this. If you're not already a 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: part of this one, you'll want to be a part 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: of the next one. So we're going to keep this 65 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: rolling and keep adding to it. Last little bit of 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: information before we dive in this morning. I got a 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: little bit of time. I have a few sessions open. 68 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Any of you looking to book one of the Zoom 69 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: consultation sessions with me, Anybody wanting to get into podcasting, 70 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: anybody wanting to get into sports media, anybody want to 71 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: start throwing YouTube channel whatever, joshpat seven zero six at 72 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. All right, that's out of the way. 73 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some college football this morning. As I 74 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: scroll down here and open the document, let's let Rob 75 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: lead us off. Rob says, on the show last week, 76 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: you and I touched on UCF possibly being the second 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: best program in the state of Florida. Okay, I remember this, now, 78 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: Rob continue Rob. Rob continues, UCF definitely hit a home 79 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: run with the hiring of Gus maus On, But without 80 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: a full recruiting class, do you think they're in a 81 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: better position than Miami? No, I don't think that, Rob. 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I remember. So it was before a Late Kick Live episode. 83 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: You were in the chat there and you were throwing 84 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: this out there and I was entertaining it. I think 85 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: if you put me on a debate stage and you 86 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: forced me to take this position that UCF is the 87 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: second best program in the state of Florida, I could 88 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: do it. I wouldn't put them above Miami. Now, so 89 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: let me make that clear. I wouldn't put them there. 90 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they're in a better position than Miami. 91 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: It would take it would take Miami being severely down 92 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: for UCF, even at the best level the program is 93 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: operated at, to be placed above Miami. Because there's, as 94 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: we all know, so much inherent value in being a 95 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: Power five program. I mean, the checks alone that you 96 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: cash just for having the ACC sticker on your helmet 97 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: mean a whole heck of a lot. So no, I 98 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that. And when we couple that with the 99 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: fact that Miami is really trending up as a program 100 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: right now. I'm not sure people realize this, but Miami 101 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: was briefly a top ten team last year, and because 102 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: there's so much focus on the top four, and we 103 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: all know that there's really a gap. There was a 104 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: gap last year between the top one and everyone else. 105 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: If you're not in that conversation. Maybe the country is 106 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: not paying as much attention to you, But I am 107 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: and so Miami was a really good program, really good 108 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: team last year. They are becoming a really good program 109 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: under Mandy ds. They are recruiting very well. This isn't 110 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: a team hanging out in the load of mid twenties 111 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: in recruiting. They are trending very well there as they should. 112 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: I think, as I've told you before, the transfer portal 113 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: era and the nil name image likeness era, it will 114 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: only help Miami. There's zero point zero zero percent chance 115 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: that's ever gonna hurt, that that's ever going to be 116 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: a default negative for them. So no, Rob, I wouldn't 117 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: put them up there. However, I think you could also 118 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: say that and at the same time maintain the stance 119 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: that it's okay to be very bullish or very optimistic, 120 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: shall we say about the future of UCF. And who knows? 121 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: If you ask this question in twenty twenty eight, Rob, 122 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe UCF's not considered a G five team anymore, maybe 123 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: they have joined a Power five conference, or hey what 124 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: if as early as twenty twenty one we end up 125 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: looking at the AAC as saying, well, maybe they're better 126 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: than the worst Power five conference. And although technically nothing 127 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: would shift, maybe in the ideology, maybe in the minds 128 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: of a critical mass of college football, maybe that shift 129 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: does happen. So we'll see Mark is up next. Mark says, 130 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: I to undergrad school in the SEC, attended grad school 131 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. It seems to me that football 132 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: culture is more ruthless and pressure filled in the SEC 133 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: than in the Big Ten. How important is that factor 134 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: to the SEC's overall success compared to the Big Ten. 135 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: I went to a football factory in both conferences, and 136 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: they are relatively comparable in terms of prestige and history. Mark, 137 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a huge, huge deal. I grew up 138 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: in the South. Obviously I have an inherent bias here 139 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: in what I've observed the most of. But I've been around, 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: you know, since I elevated to be able to be 141 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: paid to cover this stuff, I've been around, and so 142 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: I've experienced a healthy dose of both cultures. You're dead 143 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: on the money here. I think people who have experienced 144 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: both of those cultures they would agree with that. Now, 145 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: how you grade that assessment and how you put your 146 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: own flavor on it, I guess in your own perspective. Well, 147 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: that's a case to case because one person who really 148 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: really loves sports could look at that and say that 149 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: means the SEC is better than the Big Ten. Someone 150 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: else who value use a sports life balance, they just 151 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: want more balance in their life. They may look and 152 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: say they're way too myopic down in the South. At 153 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: least in the Big Ten, they don't focus on this 154 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: stuff twenty four to seven and it doesn't impact their mood. 155 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: And you know, they don't walk into work on Tuesday 156 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: looking all depressed because their team lost the previous Saturday. 157 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: It just depends whatever floats your boat, like whatever tune 158 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: you like to see, that will determine your perspective on 159 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: which of these appeals to you. But I do think 160 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: going back to the question, Mark, because you asked, do 161 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: you think that this has contributed to the SEC's overall 162 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: successful Of course it has. And Mark, it's not just 163 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: happening in football anymore. There's always been a chain reaction 164 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: down here when one program, especially when it comes to 165 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: a rivalry, when one program does something, there is immense 166 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: and when I say immense, I mean all caps immense 167 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: pressure on the other side of that rivalry to respond. 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: Think about the late two thousands when Nick Saban comes 169 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: to Alabama. Well, prior to that, Auburn had run off 170 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: a string of five straight wins against the Tide, and 171 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: then they beat Nick Saban in his first year. But 172 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: then eight nine, like Nick Saban starts getting the job done. 173 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Will not put so much pressure on Auburn. Anyone, remember 174 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: what Auburn did in twenty ten. They did something that 175 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: you hadn't seen him doing a long time. That was 176 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: won a national championship. So you may look at that 177 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: and you may not have very vivid memories of that, 178 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: or if you do have more vivid memories, you may say, well, yeah, 179 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: but and then you say something about Cam Newton, or 180 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: you say something about this or that, Hey, the point 181 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: is all that was a result of the pressure that 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: was put on Auburn. Well, then I want you to 183 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: transition to basketball because it happened. I kind of was 184 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day in the verse in basketball, 185 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: So Bama basketball, not to talk hoops too much on here, 186 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: Like Alabama basketball has some tradition about it, but it's not, 187 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, a traditional blue blood program. Auburn goes and 188 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: hires Bruce Pearl and Auburn ended up going to the 189 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: final four year before last or year before this tournament. 190 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: And so the people in Tuscaloosa looked at that and 191 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: they said, wait a second, and there was a lot 192 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: of pressure, and all of a sudden, this year, Alabama's 193 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: winning the SEC, win in the SEC tournament. They're going 194 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: to what they make it to the Sweet sixteen, I 195 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: believe it was. And so you look and it's like 196 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: a pendulum. It's like a domino effect. And it happens 197 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: in football too. Now here's the curse. So kick it 198 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: back to football is sort of a good news bad 199 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: news deal. Take Texas A and M for example. Texas 200 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: A and M as a program I'm thoroughly convinced is 201 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: operating at this very moment at as high a level 202 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: as we've ever seen them operate at in most of 203 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: our lifetimes. Do you know that though? Do you realize it? 204 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: Because that's the good news. The good news is, facilities 205 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: have never been better, Investment and buy in has never 206 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: been better, the roster's never been better. The overall coaching 207 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: staff as rarely have ever been better. But no one 208 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: really fully acknowledges it on a national level. Why is that? 209 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: Because your best is brought on by the pressure cooker 210 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: that you're in. But it's such a pressure cooker because 211 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: you got to compete against Alabama every single year, and 212 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: as long as you get your head run into a 213 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: wall by Alabama every year. From a national perspective, now, 214 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: strictly from a national perspective, people kind of dismiss everything 215 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: else you're doing. Whereas if I were to take Texas 216 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: A and M as as a product at this moment 217 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: and drop them in the Big twelve, or drop them 218 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: especially in like the PAC twelve and just have them 219 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: play there this year, I think they would dominate the conference. 220 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: Having said that, here's the follow up. If Texas A 221 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: and M was in the Pac twelve, they would not 222 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: exist as this entity because the pressure would not have 223 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: produced the diamond. Relatively speaking, that the A and M 224 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: program has become. So what do you want? Do you 225 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: want to exist in a more workable environment where you 226 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: can afford to loosen your tie every now and then 227 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: you can go home at noon and just get your 228 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: work done the next day if you want to, or 229 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: do you want to exist in that pot of water 230 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: where it's boiling year round and the stovetop is on 231 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: eleven year round. But that water get is really really hot. 232 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: It gets a whole lot hotter than you'd ever be 233 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: able to make it somewhere else. It's just that as 234 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: a byproduct of what makes that water hotter, you also 235 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: got to exist in the heat. So I don't know, 236 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: it's again kind of said it in a previous point. 237 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: It's a case by case basis, what do you want, 238 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: what appeals to you more, Because the same way you 239 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: may feel as a fan, you feel that way as 240 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: a coach. The same way you may feel as a coach, 241 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: maybe you feel that way as a player. So it's good. 242 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: It's good that you have those options out there, whether 243 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: it be attending undergrad, whether it be attending grad, whether 244 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: it be playing, whether it be coaching, whether it be 245 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: rooting interest. If you didn't go to a major college 246 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: and you just want to choose one to pull for, 247 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: it's good to have options out there. Everything shouldn't look 248 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: the same, all right. Let's go to Joel next. Joel says, 249 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: I have no clue if you remember this or not, 250 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: but on a podcast a few months ago, you were 251 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: talking about an Alabama South Carolina game, and you said 252 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: you had the most unique vantage point of that game 253 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: that you had ever had, but you didn't go into 254 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: any further detail. I was wondering what you meant by that. 255 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: By the way, love the new Instagram account. Well thank you, Joel, 256 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: thank you for the follow over there at Late Kick Josh. 257 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I remember mentioning this. I couldn't I remember if I 258 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: did it on pod or on Lake Kick Live. I'm 259 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: very bad at saying I'm going to get back to 260 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: something and then I never get back to it. So 261 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: let me get back to this. So I think it 262 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. It was when Bama goes to South Carolina. 263 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: They don't go up there very often, so I like, 264 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: I think, what's won this year? I think Bama. Speaking 265 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: of Bama, they go to Florida this year, Like that's 266 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: a game. I'll try and be at these irregular, atypical 267 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: major program cross division matchups. I always try and get 268 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: to as many of them. I went to Auburn at 269 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: Florida a couple of years ago. I went to Georgia 270 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: at LSU a couple of years ago. Granted, I get 271 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: to do it for free or even get paid to 272 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: do it, so otherwise it would be very expensive to 273 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: do this. So here's the scene. Frequently, when I'm at 274 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: games and it's accessible, I'll go down the tunnels near 275 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: the locker rooms, and I'll be there when teams are 276 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: going to come out. It's just a unique vantage point. 277 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: No one ever gets to see that. This is what 278 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, by the way, with the Instagram account, 279 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: when I talk about giving you some content, giving you 280 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: some access and footage that you wouldn't see anywhere else, 281 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: that's kind of stuff I'm talking about. Perfect case in point. 282 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: On this day, I'm down the tunnel, the visiting tunnel. 283 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: South Carolina's taking the field. They're taking the field to 284 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, the like the Rick Flair theme music. I 285 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: forget what the title of that song is really really 286 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: popular though. So they're taking the field about the time 287 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Bama's coming out of the locker room. So they're coming 288 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: out of the locker room and I look around and 289 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I say, wait a second, I'm just gonna slip in 290 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: there with them. This is gonna be some of the 291 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: greatest footage I ever shoot. So I slip in there. 292 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm standing like right between Najia Harris and Jedrick Wills 293 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: and we're standing in that tunnel. We you know, myself 294 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: and the team. We're standing there in that tunnel waiting 295 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: to take the field, waiting for the queue up there. 296 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: And so I am inside that tunnel amidst Alabama's team 297 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: and I'm just holding up the cell phone and I'm 298 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: just shooting footage and you can hear the crowd going 299 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: insane because this is a packed house still it's pre COVID, 300 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: and place is shaking because you're kind of under the stands, 301 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: so the place is shaking. You can kind of see 302 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: ahead out of the tunnel and it's bright sunshine, so 303 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: it's just like a blinding light ahead and you're in 304 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: the tunnel and it's a massive humanity. Everyone's getting ready 305 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: to take the field. It's I think maybe the conference opener. 306 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: It's a road game. It's probably the first time, i 307 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: think on the road that year, so it was really 308 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: really cool. So I just kind of hold the phone 309 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: up and I'm filming and then boom, you get the 310 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: cue from whoever on the CBS production crew is giving 311 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: you the crew and you start to take the field. 312 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: I just I just ran out the tunnel with Alabama 313 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: and I was holding my phone up the entire time, 314 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: so I was able to pull it off undetected, probably 315 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: because they were wearing their road white uniforms and your 316 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: boy as usual, and I was on the white T 317 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: shirt as usual. That's a home or road uniform for me. 318 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: So that was funny. But in all seriousness, not that 319 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: that wasn't serious, it certainly was, but in all seriousness, seriously, 320 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that you can look forward 321 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: to in the fall. This kind of stuff that any 322 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: given Sunday night, when I come back, I may have 323 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: a story about you may have already seen footage of. 324 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: You just get to experience so many things. I've told 325 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: you this story before. I won't go onto the soapbox again. 326 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: But if you were to tell me I'm nine years old, 327 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm thirteen years old, I'm seventeen years old, and I'm 328 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: watching college football on TV and you showed me a 329 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: crystal ball and said, hey, one day you'll have this 330 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: vantage point, I would have freaked out. I mean, that's 331 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: a huge deal to me. Maybe it's not to a 332 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: non sports fan. But then again, if you're a non 333 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: sports fan, you're probably not listening to this podcast. So 334 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: if you are a sports fan, and to put a 335 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: finer point on it, a college football fan. You're into 336 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: that stuff. And I know I'm in a very very 337 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: privileged position to be able to experience some of that, 338 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: and so I think it would be stupid of me 339 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: to have something like a cell phone in my hand 340 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: and to be able to experience what I'm experiencing and 341 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: not take you with me as much as I can 342 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: take you with me. And so I try and record 343 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: as much of that as I can. If you've been 344 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: following me actually on Instagram, I've been putting some of 345 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: that stuff out that I was just digging through the 346 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: eye Josh the other day and found in the videos 347 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: that I had from like two years ago, three years ago. 348 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: So I've been putting some of that stuff out there. 349 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: But the reason I'm looking forward to this fall is 350 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: because we get access to a new twelve plus weeks 351 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: of potential content. You never know what you're going to see, 352 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: you never know what you're going to experience. It's interesting. 353 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: It's a new adventure every week when you get to 354 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: go on the road every week in the fall, like 355 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I do. Next up in the Persistence Pays Off Department 356 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: is Matt because he has been bothering me about this 357 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: in a good way, in a very good way, Matt, 358 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: for about a month or two. And so it's time, Matt. 359 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: It is time right here, on this morning or afternoon 360 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: of April thirteenth, the year of our Lord, twenty twenty one, 361 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: to talk about some Michigan State football. Matt says, please 362 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: talk about Michigan State. We have a brewing quarterback competition, 363 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Mel Tucker. Second season, massive roster turnover. It includes twelve 364 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: new transfers coming in, of which eleven are from Power 365 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: five schools. Give us some love. I'll give you some attention, Matt, 366 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: and I hope love. Because I was talking to someone yesterday. 367 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: I put out a tweet last week I said, I 368 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: think twenty twenty one is going to be a renaissance 369 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: here for college football. And I believe that, and I 370 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: believe it has several layers to it. Number one, it's 371 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: going to be a big deal to have people back 372 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: in the stands that experience once you have it taken 373 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: away from you, I think will mean a lot more. 374 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I think it'll make for a much better television product. 375 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: But we're also looking at a situation where a program 376 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: like Florida State or a program like Michigan State in 377 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: year two, it's kind of a reset, but there's this 378 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: dramatic and drastic overhaul happening to where they're trying to 379 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: speed up the process of overturning the roster. And since 380 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned East Lansing, that's exactly what Meltucker's doing there. 381 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: He came in, I think there were a lot of doubters, 382 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and I think a lot more that doubt had to 383 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: do with just how much he was being paid. But 384 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't really matter. I mean, think about 385 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: the situation he was at Colorado and Michigan State needed 386 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: a head coach they could afford to vastly overpay. And 387 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: so that's not out of the realm of normalcy in 388 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: the corporate world. A lot of times, especially the organizations 389 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: that are run the right way and they understand the 390 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: long term value proposition of getting the right people, they're 391 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: very apt to just go in and if the listing 392 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: price is four million dollars, they just go, we'll give 393 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: you five and three quarter, We'll give you six and 394 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: a quarter. Just it come to us, come to us. Meltucker, well, 395 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: they give him a little bit more than net didn't 396 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: they But they got him, and so if the long 397 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: term payoff is Meltucker being the right person, it doesn't 398 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: matter million dollars, three million dollars, it doesn't matter what 399 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: the difference was. They went and got him. I don't 400 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: think a lot of nationally had an easy time squaring 401 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: that dollar figure with the relatively limited resume of mel Tucker. 402 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: But if we just look at it in a vacuum, 403 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: and we just judge a coach based on merit, and 404 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: we judge a coach based on resources, that's the That's 405 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: the way I'll look at Meltucker. It's the way I 406 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: am looking at him. So I'm looking at him right now. 407 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: Year one, it's in the books. Year two you hope 408 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: to make look different than year one. Not as result 409 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: oriented as maybe you think, but as a product oriented approach, 410 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: and by product oriented, you just want to make Michigan 411 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: State Football look as much like mel Tucker's thumbprint as 412 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: you can. I'm speaking as Meltucker right now. That's what 413 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: I want, and then the results come what may hopefully 414 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: will be dictated by my approach. Paying off, Well, that's 415 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: what they're trying to do right now. It's the same 416 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: way with Mike Norvel at Florida State. Now, what it 417 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: is is it's a race to see how much of 418 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: that you can implement if you believe, let's say in 419 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: year one that fifteen to twenty percent of the program 420 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: reflects you, and typically year two would be fifty percent. 421 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: Let's just say that's a random number, but let's just 422 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: say that's the way it normally is. How do you 423 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: get it to go from twenty percent to seventy five 424 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: percent in year two? Well, the way you do it, 425 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: like you just said here, Matt, is you flip as 426 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: much of the roster as you can. And I talked 427 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: about the renaissance here for college football. What I hope 428 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: is at least one, if not more, of these rebuild projects. 429 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: That's only in year two, quote unquote, only in year two. 430 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: Just hits the switch and it flips on, and all 431 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you go, whoa Michigan State football's back? What? 432 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Who is it? Who's tied with Ohio State in the 433 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: fourth quarter? Who just upsets so and so on the road? 434 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: That's what I hope we hear in year two. So 435 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: when I said a renaissance here of college football, that's 436 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: what it entails. Yes you got the crowds, Yes you 437 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: got the TV product, that's back to the way you 438 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: want it. But also when you look at the newness 439 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position in places like Tuscaloosa and Columbus 440 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: and Clemson, and then you also look at some of 441 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: the up and coming programs, you hope maybe there's this 442 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: confluence of events, there's this convergence of competition to where 443 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: the field come November just looks way more wide open 444 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: than it normally is. And everyone has that parody they've 445 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: been searching for. That's why I think twenty twenty one 446 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: will be a renaissance here in college football. Question for you, 447 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: matt Is, Will mel Tucker and Michigan State be contributing 448 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: to that effort? Dot dot dot. James has got a 449 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: good one next, about the difference between maybe a multi 450 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: sport athlete today versus let's say, twenty five years ago. 451 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: I mean, this has got to do with Clemson, but 452 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: really you could plug in a number of players and 453 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: teams and I'm going to hit it right after this. 454 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Here's James's question. He said Clemson seems likely to lose 455 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: Bubba Chandler to the July Major League Baseball Draft. He 456 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: was a June and Roll league. Is there enough elite 457 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: arm talent for college football and the MLB? Kyler Murray 458 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: proved you can do both? But how much? How much? 459 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Is he the exception to the case. Well, yeah, there's 460 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: plenty of arm talent. There's never been more arm talent. 461 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: So if the question here is just are there enough 462 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: elite arms to fill the quarterback positions and Major League 463 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: Baseball bullpens and starting rotations, yes, the answer is yes. 464 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: Now here's what I followed up with because I started 465 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: talking to someone else stemming from this question, and it 466 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: was could you do both? Could you get in college? 467 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Could you go play college football and also college baseball? Well, 468 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: first off, if you play quarterback and you were a pitcher, 469 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm that would be tough. Let's just say that. I'm 470 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: not going to ever say never, but rare, extremely rare 471 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: would be the case, just from a time standpoint, let 472 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: alone a workload standpoint. So I don't know how those 473 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: two ideas with jib but I also think this. I 474 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: had a question the other day about just multi sport 475 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: athletes in general in college why don't you see more 476 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: of them? Well, The reason is not because it's impossible, 477 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: but my personal belief. As much as I advocate for 478 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: kids playing as many sports as they can, you can't 479 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: deny the reality that sports have never been more specialized 480 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: than they are now. By that, I mean kids choose 481 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: a sport earlier and earlier. And also I'm a believer 482 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: that at the college and pro levels, I don't think sports, 483 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: especially in the cases of football and baseball, and especially 484 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: especially in the cases of pitching or quarterback, I don't 485 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: think those positions have ever been played at a higher level. 486 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever been more specialized than they 487 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: are now. And what that means is it takes every 488 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: ounce of your focus, every ounce of your mental and 489 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: physical investment to be able to exist at the mid 490 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: to top tiers in those respective practices, whether you're a 491 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: college or major league pitcher, or whether you're a college 492 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: quarterback with aspirations to go onto the NFL. So again, 493 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: it's possible. There are always transcendent athletes that can be 494 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: exceptions to rules, but by and large, you better choose one. 495 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: That's just my humble and frank advice to someone out there. 496 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: It's great to have those dreams of playing multiple sports. 497 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm all for it. In high school, I don't think 498 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: in terms of your future earnings potential. Let me put 499 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: it this way, not just about having fun anymore. Okay, 500 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: you are very business minded once you get to the 501 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: college level. About this stuff from a future earnings potential standpoint, 502 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: you need to choose one you turn on a Major 503 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: League baseball game. These days, there are guys you've never 504 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 1: heard of through in ninety eight, there are names you 505 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: have never heard of hitting triple digits. The games just different, training, specialization, 506 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: it's just different. Now there are guys putting up astronomical 507 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: stat lines that would have led college football in nineteen 508 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: ninety seven. I know that's a lot about the evolution 509 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: of offenses, but just in general terms, there are younger 510 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: quarterbacks putting up bigger numbers. Two. What does that mean 511 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: to you? Does it mean every offense got simplified, maybe 512 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: to some degree, but maybe not. Maybe the position got 513 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: specialized to the point where high school training is different, 514 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: and then individual coach training and elite eleven evolved to 515 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: the point where now the average four star or higher 516 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: quarterback coming out of high school has thousands additional mental 517 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: and physical reps under his belt than a high school 518 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: quarterback in nineteen ninety eight or even two thousand and 519 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: eight would have had. The positions are more special. It's 520 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: not just about what you can do in a vacuum. 521 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: It's about who you are going to be competing against. 522 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: There aren't enough spots for everyone, and so if you 523 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: think you could fill one of those spots with your 524 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: attention and your time divided against a lot of other 525 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: guys who have their attention and time solely focused on 526 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: that one aspect, I think you may be kidding yourself. 527 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: So again the moral of the story, play as many 528 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: sports as you can as a kid, But then when 529 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: you start to get into high school, I'd still say, 530 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: play as many as you can. But once you start 531 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: to make a career path and you start to plan 532 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: out your future from the college level and beyond, unless 533 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: you know, unless you're one of the greatest athletes in 534 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: the history of this world, I would choose one. That's 535 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: what I personally would do. How about Shane here, he's 536 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: got something. I was focused on a lot, doing a 537 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: lot of reading on this last night. He said, I 538 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts on the new APEX program. 539 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: For name, image, and likeness at Florida State. Now, Shane, 540 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is just word solid for people. 541 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: I know a lot of folks in the audience right now. 542 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: When you hear name, image, and likeness, you're tired of it. 543 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: First off. Secondly, it all runs together. Thirdly, no one 544 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: has really explained this stuff to where you could then 545 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: parrot that to your grandma and give her a nice 546 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: summary in thirty seconds of what this is about. It 547 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: just kind of is out there. It's nebulous, and everyone 548 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: says it, and very few, if any, people who are 549 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: talking about it know what it fully means. You're right, 550 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: but that's because I think that it's very hard to 551 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: define it right now. It is very nebulous. It's like 552 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: trying to chase fog. It's like trying to grab a cloud. 553 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: No one really gets what all this is going to 554 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: be about. That's why it's really interesting to see the 555 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: way that various athletic departments and football programs in our 556 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: case are attacking this. So Florida State just made an 557 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: announcement over the past weekend. It was no coincidence. They 558 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: had about one hundred recruits in town. Unofficially, they had 559 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: one hundred recruits in town while they unveiled this bad boy. 560 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: Here's what they did. They see the name, image and 561 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: likeness theme coming. Now their state has been more aggressive 562 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: in moving on legislation on this stuff too, so they've 563 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: had to be aggressive in turn. And so what they 564 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: announced is they announced all these partnerships and they have 565 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: a branding platform in house. Now it's all in hose 566 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: house at Florida State. That's the first thing that stood 567 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: out to where they will plug every athlete that comes 568 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: through there into that program. I think they're going to 569 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: get credit hours for attending classes focused on marketing and 570 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: social media platforms, but also branding and influencing and just 571 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: basically capitalizing on your name. That's really what it's all about. 572 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: But I was over on Nole's twenty four to seven. 573 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: I was reading up on some of the finer points 574 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: of it, and I'll tell you what stood out the most. 575 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: There is going to be a system in place at 576 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: Florida State. I'm not saying that they'll be solo on this. 577 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: It's just the only one I've heard do this so far, 578 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: to where if I'm playing there, if I'm a four 579 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: star offensive guard, if I'm a five star wide receiver 580 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: at Florida State. I go to practice, or I play 581 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: in a game on Saturday, I immediately can go log 582 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: into my personal account within this branding organization. They have 583 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: and I have available to me all the photos and 584 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: videos of myself that exist in the Florida State infrastructure, 585 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: in their media infrastructure, and they belong to me. Do 586 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: you know how huge that is? In a way, the 587 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: world we're licensing is constantly a cloud over any content 588 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: creator's head. You're always worried about who owns this? Who 589 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: owns that? Do I get access to this? Can I 590 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: have access to that? I mean, guys, I don't even 591 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: own the episodes of Late Kick, and I'm hosting them 592 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: and producing them, but I don't own them because I 593 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: am producing them on the CBS Sports platform, on the 594 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven platform. Therefore it is owned by 595 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: that corporate entity. I don't own that footage even though 596 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: it is of me. Well, if I'm that five star 597 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver at Florida State, I own it. I own it. 598 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: I own the footage of me participating while being in 599 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: school on FSU's dime, while wearing that spear on my 600 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: helmet while wearing their jersey on my back. Yet I 601 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: own that and it's made available to me to do 602 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: with anything I want to, including marketing myself, including potential 603 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: advertising opportunities. I don't think people have the slightest clue 604 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: how huge that is. It is huge, Shane. Again, I 605 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: don't think FSU is going to be the last one 606 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: to do this by any stretch. But that opened up 607 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: a new avenue that to this point I'm not sure 608 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: people realized was going to be there. And that, Shane, 609 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: is why it's like chasing the fog. It's like trying 610 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: to grab the cloud because everyone keeps asking what is 611 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: this going to entail? Well, a week ago, people weren't 612 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: even talking about that, at least on a broad level. 613 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: People weren't talking about that as being a possibility. But 614 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now, like all the footage and 615 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: photographs that exist of me, or at least the ones 616 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: that the university has control over, I have access to 617 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: those and I can use them. It's kind of like 618 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: me giving you a database of royalty free music or 619 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: royalty free stock footage and v roll. Well, if all 620 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden you have access to an entire catalog 621 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: of your content that includes you. Then that's a game changer. 622 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean that stuff's worth a whole lot of money. 623 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: And then ultimately you attach yourself. If you've got four 624 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: million followers on Instagram, if you got two and a 625 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: half million on TikTok, well you get to capitalize on 626 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: that by putting footage of you out there, which grows 627 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: you're following, which attracts advertisers because you're an influencer, and 628 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're worth a lot more money 629 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: because of being involved in that program. It's really amazing. 630 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: It'll be bumpy, it'll be messy, there'll be some pitfalls, 631 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: there'll be some lessons learned. There always are. But ultimately, 632 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, you better be on 633 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: board with it, or you better step aside and let 634 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: someone else lead your program. The best in the game 635 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: they're on board with it. They know they have to be, 636 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: doesn't They don't even waste time arguing about whether they 637 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: like it or not. They've just got to be. It's 638 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: got to be. And so Florida State they are being 639 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: right now. And I was talking to someone high up 640 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: in the administrative side of another athletic department last night, 641 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: and again there is a tsunami of this stuff coming. 642 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: I think maybe some other programs out there are just 643 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: waiting until let's say, oh, I don't know, this dead 644 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: period lifts and then there may be some major announcements coming. 645 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: Then it's about as far as I can go on that. 646 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: But there are other an outs what's coming. So if 647 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: your program has been silent on this so far, it's 648 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: not because they're silent behind the scenes. They're just waiting 649 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: for the right time. Good podcast this morning. I did 650 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: not get to all the questions I know. I told 651 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: some of you I would get to yours this morning. 652 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I still have them in the log here. 653 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: We will get to them in due time. A lot 654 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: of these are evergreen in nature, meaning they'll be relevant 655 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: next week or week after that, so we'll get to them. 656 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, though, Remember at Late Kick Josh 657 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter, and look forward to, in a 658 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: to be determined release date, the Late Kick Show Owners 659 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: Association meeting. We will be recording that tomorrow night, and 660 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: so you'll probably see some clips of it from me unofficially, 661 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: just raw clips, but we'll get that thing out pretty quickly. 662 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: It could be as early as the Thursday podcast, so 663 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: we'll see until then. For producer Jordan, I'm Josh pat 664 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your day and God blessed.