1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to steph you missed in history Class from dot com. Hello, 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry and I'm 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: tra c V. Wilson. And in our last episode we 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: talked about the multiple times during Queen Victoria's early reign 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: that a young man named Edward Jones, who was referred 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: to in the press as the Boy Jones, managed to 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: get into Buckingham Palace and wander around and basically be 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: super creepy. Uh. When we left off, he had been 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: found a third time in Buckingham Palace, though he claimed 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: to have been there more than that, and he was 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: serving a sentence of hard labor for it. We're going 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: to jump right back in where we left off, So 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: if you have not listened to that first part, you 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: probably want to do that now before you get into 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: this one, or this will not make sense. Yep. I mean, 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: you might just try to glean everything from context, but 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier you listen to the first one. Yeah. So, 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: as we mentioned at the end of that first part, 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: he was commonly called the boy Jones and the press, 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: and he had become kind of a sensation because of 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: his criminal activity, because he had managed to enter the 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: palace so many times, but never seemed to cause physical 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: harm to anybody. A lot of people were really fascinated 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: by him and seemed to see him as this like 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: impish hero of the working class messing with the privilege 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: royals below. To be clear, he was creepy. He was 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: sleeping under people's beds and eavesdropping on private conversations and 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: stealing personal items. So we are not at all saying 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: that he was heroic. No, some people sort of painted 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: him that way at the time, but no, like that's 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: reprehensible and gross. Uh. Members of the press were so 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: eager to have any word about Edward that reporters would 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: often buy his father, Henry Jones, drinks in the hopes 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: that he would become Anebrie needed enough to give them 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: unfiltered details about Edward and what he was doing during 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: this hard labor imprisonment. Many people actually applied for permission 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: from the prison to visit the boy Jones for interviews. 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: One of those people just sort of famously was Charles Dickens. 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: After Edward Jones was released from his second prison sentence 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: on June fourteenth, eighteen forty one, he often was recognized 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: in the street, he became the subject of songs and 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: poems and this ongoing stream of satirical articles that had 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: been part of his story from the first time he 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: had been discovered in the palace. But apparently he didn't 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: actually like all this attention. He couldn't go out in 46 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: public without a crowd forming behind him to following his 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: every move, and it became so irritating that he gradually 48 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: went out less and less so when a journalist approached 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: him about putting together a book, because Edward had claimed 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: that he was working on a book the last time 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: that he was arrested, and that he was trying to 52 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: get information by eavesdropping on the royal family for that book, 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: it turned out that the boy Jones was not interested 54 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: in this project. This was of course a disappointment to 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: the writer and to edwards father, as the two men 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: had been discussing the project and how much a little 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: money from something like this could really help the Jones family. 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: They were basically destitute. They had never been wealthy, but 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: as they were paying back a pretty sizable loan that 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: they had taken out to cover the lawyer sees from 61 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: edwards first trial, they were living in complete poverty. So 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: while edwards refusal to cooperate with this potential ghost writer 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: definitely impacted his family's finances, it did not stop the 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: writer from going ahead with the project on his own. 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Under the pen name of Paul Pry the Elder and 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: claiming to be an editor on edwards book project, he 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: wrote and published an account of edwards time in Buckingham, 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: cobbled together from actual newspaper reports, rumor and things entirely 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: made it up. Yeah, and this book was short. It 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: was just thirty two pages and it was published in 71 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: July et one, so right after he got out. It 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: was very hastily thrown together with the title Royal Secrets 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: or a Pride in the Palace, And the original plan 74 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: for the title had been A Night under the Queen's Bid, 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: but it was changed over concerns that that might be 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: going too far. Uh so this is where you can 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: feel like, uh, you can join us in an eye roll, 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: because of course making up stuff is not going too 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: far at all, apparently, but that title might have been. 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: In that short month between edwards release and this unauthorized 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: book being published, Joan had already struggled to return to 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: anything like a normal life. In addition to the curious public, 83 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: he was often followed by the police, who had been 84 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: uh understandably instructed to keep an eye on him, and 85 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: his father was trying desperately to turn the situation into 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: a source of income. Henry Jones allegedly took money from 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: people to give them a peek at his son, and 88 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: he and his wife tried to accept offers for Edwards 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: to appear on stage, but Edward shut them down. Yeah, 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I actually feel really bad 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: for his father, even though he's trying to monetize the situation, 92 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: because he really is just trying to feed the family. 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: It seems, um, I don't know. Well, I similarly feel okay, 94 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: his behavior is reprehensible. I simultaneously feel bad for him. Yeah, 95 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: and like those two things are possible feelings to have 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, exactly. It's a very conflicted thing. Uh. 97 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: But then an escape from the life of scrutiny, which 98 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: was also a job opportunity, was offered to the boy 99 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: Jones from an unlikely friend. The family's landlord, William James, 100 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: offered to help Edward get a position aboard a ship 101 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: called Diamond. James knew the captain and was willing to 102 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: pay for the needed uniform and preparation for him to 103 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: take the young man on as an apprentice. And for 104 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Henry Jones part, he was really suspicious of this. This 105 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: is kind of where I can't help but feel sort 106 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: of bad and some compassion for Henry Jones, because while 107 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: he was willing to try to work out some financial stuff, 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: he was really worried about his son's well being in 109 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: many regards, because he thought it seemed really odd that 110 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: his landlord, who had historically been pretty unkind to his 111 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: family and a complete stranger, Captain Taylor, we're going to 112 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: offer all of this help suddenly to Edward. But just 113 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: the same he allowed James to take Edward to meet 114 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: with Captain Taylor, and Edward never came home. What happened 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: at that point is, of course, extremely murky. When Henry 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: Jones attempted to inquire after his son and the landlord, 117 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: who hadn't come back either got nowhere. Mr James he 118 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: was told was expected to be away for some time, 119 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: and questions he asked the local shipping office about the 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: diamonds didn't get back very hopeful answers either. The diamond 121 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: had left for Cork and it was not expected to 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: come back. Almost immediately, rumors began to swirl and articles 123 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: began to appear about what might have happened to the 124 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: boy Jones. While kidnapping or some other foul business was 125 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: suspected in some of the speculation, the more common story 126 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: was that the government had apprehended him with the intent 127 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: to simply erase this problem of this person that had 128 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: seemed kind of obsessed with the Queen and that just 129 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: made everyone uneasy. There had been a very real fear 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: that while edwards appearances in Buckingham had never been violent, 131 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: he could use his uncanny ability to one day break 132 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: into the Palace again with more sinister or violent ideas. 133 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Henry Jones and his wife actually received a letter ostensibly 134 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: from Edwards, sing that he was fine, that he was 135 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: in Cork, Ireland, and that he was starting a career 136 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: at sea, but the language was so unlike that of 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: their son that they didn't actually believe it was real. 138 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: We are going to talk about what really happened to 139 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Edward Jones in a moment, but first, how would you 140 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: like to pause for sponsor break That sounds like a 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: grand plan know what I have not doing right now 142 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: working on on the travelogue that that we are writing, 143 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: my my husband and I about our our honeymoon. 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So 179 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: to get back to Edward Jones, it turns out each 180 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: of the theories that we talked about before the break, 181 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: we're true. The authorities did want to ship Edward Jones away, 182 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: and to make that happen, they had employed his landlord 183 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: as an agent, which explains the sudden change of demeanor 184 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: towards the Jones family, and he, along with the police 185 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: inspector named Evans, who was posing as a shipping clerk, 186 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: we're charged with getting the young man onto about going far, 187 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: far away. But when Captain Taylor of the Diamond real 188 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: lies that the person that he was being paid to 189 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: take on was the Queen's now celebrity stalker, he wanted 190 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Do with it. He backed 191 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: out of the deal, and he was apparently pretty angry 192 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: that anyone would deign to push a criminal off on 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: his ship. James and Evans couldn't take Jones back to London, 194 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: so they did two things. First, they paid another young 195 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: man who was emigrating on the Diamond to pretend to 196 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: be the boy Jones and spread all kinds of stories 197 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: about his time in the Palace to make it seem 198 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: to hire authorities that the two men had successfully carried 199 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: out their mission. It's actually worked all the way to Australia, 200 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: where the Diamond was headed when it left Britain, but 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: the young man was found out a few weeks after 202 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: they docked there. Yeah, he kept it up for a 203 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: good long while. Uh. Second, they ran all over the 204 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: coast of Britain trying to find any captain who would 205 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: take Edward off their hands. They figured like they had 206 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: their story lockdown in terms of this other person they 207 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: had paid to pretend to be Edward, but now they 208 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: actually had to still get rid of Edward that couldn't 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: really bring him anywhere or bring him back home. They 210 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: were surprised at how problematic this actually was, but eventually 211 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: in Liverpool they were able to find a captain that 212 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: was willing to take him, although they disguised Edward to 213 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: hide his identity and just kind of keep the boy 214 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: Jones fanfare out of it. So he boarded a ship 215 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: named the Tiber which was headed to Brazil. I'm kind 216 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: of astonished that they were surprised at how much trouble 217 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: they were having. I mean, they're basically like, hey, hey see, captain, 218 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: we have this extra judicial kidnapping that we would like 219 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: you to help us with. Are you you know? It 220 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: seems like their problem was not that their problem was 221 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: more like, we don't want this dude on our ships. 222 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: In it indicates there's some interesting indication about sort of 223 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: how uh, the police at this point and the government 224 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: maybe we're viewing people who make their livings at sea 225 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: as being a little unscrupulous and totally would be fine 226 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: with all of this, but of course they were not. 227 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: So Another letter that was supposedly sent from Edward wasn't 228 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: to the Joneses at about this time, and as with 229 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: the first, that claimed that he was well and went 230 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: on to say that he was setting out to see 231 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: and also went on at length about what a great 232 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: guy William James was, And again this did not seem 233 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: to be like a genuine letter from Edward when reviewed 234 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: by his family. Yeah, it's really It lays it on 235 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: so thick about how great the landlord is. It's like 236 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: he's just the best, you guys, He's amazing. WHI should 237 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: just never have been the case. Uh. Mr James did 238 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: finally return home in August, but he refused to answer 239 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: any questions put to him by Henry Jones about where 240 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: Edward had gone sprint. Henry went to the papers and 241 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: this started a flurry of back and forth among various publications. 242 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Tory papers really wanted to put out how unsettling it 243 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: was that authorities could just make someone disappear this way. 244 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Their intent was to rile up the Whig Prime Minister 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: and adviser to the Queen, Lord Melbourne. This seems they 246 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: seemed to be on a crusade to expose the truth 247 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: of abuse of power, and Melbourne lost the election that 248 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: year and was replaced by Tory Sir Robert Peel. When 249 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: it turned out that Peel wasn't interested in revealing any 250 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: information about where the boy Jones had gone, the press 251 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: about the matter quickly dropped off. Yeah, they didn't want 252 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: to criticize a guy that was in their camp, but 253 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: so Edward Jones kind of stopped being an important story 254 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: to them all of a sudden. Uh. Several months after 255 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: Edward vanished, he reappeared by way of a letter to 256 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: the Jones family which had been posted from liver Pool, 257 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: and it said that he had been to Brazil and back, 258 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: that he absolutely hated his time at sea, that he 259 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: had been treated very poorly, and that he was now 260 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: stranded and needed money to get home to London. And 261 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: unlike the previous letters, this one really did seem to 262 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: be Edwards actual writing and actual words. Henry Jones did 263 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: not have the money to send to Edwards, so he 264 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: started asking around with friends and neighbors for financial help. 265 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: But in the meantime Edward had decided not to wait 266 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: around for this money, and he set off on foot 267 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: from Liverpool to London, as the crow flies, is about 268 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: two hundred miles or three kilometers, and it took him 269 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: more than two weeks. Uh, I feel like that's a 270 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: pretty good time. He made it on December eighteenth of 271 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: eighteen forty one, although he was in pretty bad shape 272 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: when he got home. He had basically subsisted on a 273 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: small amount of red that he had been able to purchase, 274 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: and then raw turnips that he was able to dig 275 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: up from the ground along the way. If you have 276 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: ever tried to eat a raw turnip, that is a 277 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: rough way to eat. That's a rough way to sustain yourself. Uh. 278 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: And man two miles on foot, that's a long way. 279 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: It's a lot of walk him. Of course, the press 280 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: once again erupted in a flurry of stories about the 281 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: boy Jones when he suddenly arrived back in London. Some 282 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: were full of outrage at what had happened to him, 283 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: but others seemed actually pretty irritated that this criminal element 284 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: was back in London. Edward, through his father's arrangement, got 285 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: a job as an errand runner by a tobacconist Mr 286 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: named Mr Elger on a twelvemonth agreement, and things seemed 287 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: like they were going pretty well, although Edward was constantly 288 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: afraid that he was being watched. And then on February 289 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: four two, after running home in the morning to change 290 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: into a clean shirt, he vanished again. Yeah, he had 291 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: gotten home, checked in with his mom. She gave him 292 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: a clean shirt. He never made it back to work. 293 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: The following week, both Henry Jones and the tobacconist received 294 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: letters about the young man's whereabouts. Henry's was written it 295 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: claimed by a sea captain that Edward was setting sale 296 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: with as he had not been happy in his work. 297 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: This was in fact not the case. He had actually been, 298 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: for the first time probably in his life, pretty happy 299 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: in a job running errands for this tobacconist, so Henry 300 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: knew that there had to be some sort of foul 301 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: play involved. Again. Mr Elgar's letter was from Edward himself, 302 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: and while it did look like edwards handwriting, the wording 303 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: was really awkward and overly formal, which led Henry Jones 304 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: to the opinion that it had been dictated to him 305 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: under some sort of duress. The contents indicated that Edward 306 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: had taken a position at sea. He had, according to 307 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: this letter, joined the Royal Navy and was headed to 308 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: the United States. In addition to the odd tone of 309 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: the letter, it was signed Edwin rather than Edward, which 310 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: invited further suspicions. Yeah, there's uh. There are some theories 311 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: that he did that purposely to try to like signal 312 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: his family or the tobacconists to know that this was 313 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: not his real, uh message, We don't know for certain. 314 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: Henry went to the Home Office, so that is the 315 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: United Kingdom ministerial department that handles immigration in matters of 316 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: law and order, and he was hoping that they would 317 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: investigate or at least follow up in some way on 318 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: Edward's disappearance. But because of these letters that claimed that 319 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Edward had willfully taken a position on a ship of 320 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: his own volition, Henry Jones was told that there was 321 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: simply nothing to be done. There's nothing to investigate. Your 322 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: boy just left. Whether there was any validity to the 323 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: idea that Edward had run off of his own free 324 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: will or whether he was secreted away by some conspiracy 325 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: to keep him away from London and Queen Victoria once again. 326 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: All this speculation kept the press busy, and the log 327 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: of the frigate Warspite, which Edwards said he had boarded, 328 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: did have an Edward Jones in the log book traveling 329 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: with the ship to New York and then back to Portsmouth, 330 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: and that he had been promoted during the course of 331 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: the journey to first class boy. When the Worst Bite 332 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: returned to Great Britain. Edward wasn't allowed to go ashore 333 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: by himself. He was watched by senior crew members and 334 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: can only leave the ship if he was escorted. During 335 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: one of these shoperone visits to the shops of Portsmouth, 336 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: he got away from his keepers though, and he could 337 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: not be found. Yeah, he apparently went into a shop 338 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: and never came out, and it took a while. And 339 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: then when the other crew members that were supposed to 340 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: be watching him went in and we're like, hey, that 341 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: guy came in and they said, oh, yeah, he asked 342 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: if we had a back door, and we didn't think 343 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: anything of it. He just left, which seems like the 344 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: most obvious, like, yeah, you are a poor guardian if 345 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: your only job is to keep an eye on a person, 346 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: and you just kind of let him walk through a 347 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: building and out the other side and go. Uh. Edward 348 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: of course turns up again. But before we get into 349 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: that and how it played out, let's take a break 350 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: and have a word from one of our sponsors. So 351 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: to get back to our story. Uh, the authorities were 352 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: alerted to the escape, but there was simply no sign 353 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: of Edward Jones, that is until someone spotted him at 354 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: his parents house a couple of weeks later. Once again, 355 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: he had walked home, though this time he was actually 356 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: trying to be stealthy rather than not having any money 357 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: to afford a train. So from Portsmouth to London is 358 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: about sixty four miles that's a little more than a 359 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: hundred kilometers, so it was a much shorter walk, but 360 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: still substantial. Edward was apprehended by police and, according to police, 361 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: seemed to be just resigned to whatever punishment was coming. 362 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: He was sent back to the war spike quite quickly. 363 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: It seemed like no one was able to find out 364 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the story of how he had ended up in the 365 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: Navy before he had been shipped out again. Yeah, they 366 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: were really intent on just keeping him away from London 367 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: and not letting him talk to the press. And information 368 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: about Edward and his life aboard The Worst Bite is 369 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: pretty sporadic, like if you look at the records, there's 370 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: not a whole lot going on, because much of the 371 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: time was pretty routine and without incident. From autumn of 372 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: eighteen forty two to early eighteen forty four, Edward really 373 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: all but vanished from the record other than standard manifest listings. 374 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: He reappears after he went overboard one morning in early 375 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, although it remained an issue of debate 376 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: as to whether he had ended up in the water 377 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: on purpose or by accident. Near the end of the 378 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: same year, he tried to escape by swimming to shore 379 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: when the Worst Bite was anchored off the coast of Greece, 380 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: allegedly trying to see the King of the country. He 381 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: was quickly taken into custody by his shipmates, and his 382 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: seafaring life once again resumed. At the end of eighteen 383 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: forty five, Edward Jones was transferred to another ship, the Inconstant, 384 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: and then there was this private discussion. There are some 385 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: letters in the highest levels of the Admiralty about what 386 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: to do with this young man who had at that 387 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: point Bennett c for four years of forced naval service. 388 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: He eventually was transferred to another ship, Harlequin, on December 389 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: thirty one, eighteen forty six. In the fall of eighteen 390 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: forty seven, Henry Jones once again made efforts on behalf 391 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: of his son, this time asking the lords of the 392 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Admiralty to please release the then twenty three year old 393 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: from service. His please worked, and in January eighteen forty eight, 394 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: Edward was back home in London. And an interesting aspect 395 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: of this story was a growing sympathy for Edward Jones, 396 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: particularly among the working class and the poor of London. 397 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: So we talked about how he had kind of become 398 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: this weird folk hero to some people, but while he 399 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: had always had these supporters as well as detractors, five 400 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: years at that point of forced naval service, after already 401 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: serving to prison sentences seemed to a lot of people 402 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: bowl and a lot of newspapers to be a punishment 403 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: far exceeding the crimes of the infamous boy Jones like. 404 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: It really seemed an awful lot of a repayment for 405 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: these two break ins to the pet or these three 406 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: break ins to the Palace when he had already served 407 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: time for them. But even though at this point he 408 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: was in a position to potentially start his life fresh 409 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: after being returned to London and his family, the behavior 410 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: and fortunes of Edward Jones would once again turned down 411 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: a less than ideal path. On Augustine, a young man 412 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: was arrested in Lewisham when he was discovered to be 413 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: carrying stolen goods, and the suspect claimed to be John Frost, 414 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: a former sailor from Greenwich. During the September trial, Frost 415 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: claimed that someone else had given him the items he 416 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: was carrying that he was found guilty and sentenced to 417 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: a ten year transportation sentence, meaning that he would serve 418 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: time in a penal colony. And while Frost was in 419 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: custody waiting for his sentence to be carried out, he 420 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: was spotted by a constable who recognized him as none 421 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: other than Edward Jones. His identity was then verified by 422 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: several other policemen who had worked on the Boy Jones 423 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: cases during the years of his repeat showings in Buckingham Palace. 424 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: Despite protestations of the young man, who still claimed vehemently 425 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: that he was in fact John Frost. Edward Jones a 426 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: k a. John Frost served the next three and a 427 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: half years, and the hulks Old Navy ships that were 428 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: anchored on the Thames is basically makeshift prisons. He was 429 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: then shipped to the Fremantle Colleague in eighteen fifty three. 430 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: The day after his arrival, he was released into a 431 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: job as an assistant to a piemaker. This really wasn't 432 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: an unusual situation for the Fremancle Colony. Prisoners who weren't 433 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: considered to be dangerous were often allowed to just transition 434 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: into sort of a settler status if they were willing 435 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 1: to take an apprenticeship. And while this arrangement initially seemed 436 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: to work out uh in the winter of eighteen fifty 437 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: five eighteen fifty six, somewhere at the end of one year, 438 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the next Edward Jones returned, this 439 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: time by completely unknown means, to London. In May, he 440 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: was arrested yet again, this time for a burglary in 441 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: which he stole only the gold sash from a major 442 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: general's uniform. He once again was using a pseudonym, although 443 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: not a very interesting one. He told people he was 444 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: John Jones, and he serves jail time again, this time 445 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: being released in eighteen fifty seven. And this is where 446 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: the trail of Edward Jones goes fairly cold, and it 447 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: makes for kind of an unsatisfying end. So my apologies, listeners. Um, 448 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: we know that because of a paperwork tangle, he managed 449 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: to avoid being prosecuted ever for running away from his 450 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: transportation sentence, and that's because the pertinent documents on that 451 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: trial and sentence still all bore the name of John Frost, 452 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: so there was a disconnect between John Frost and Edward Jones. Legally, 453 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: where he went when he became a free man is 454 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: really something of a mystery, although many things and ideas 455 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: were printed in gossip papers speculating about his whereabouts. Yeah, 456 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: according to those, he may have been living with his 457 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: younger brother who was fairly successful, or living on his 458 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: own but supported by the brother. Uh he didn't appear 459 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: on census information is living with his parents, who were 460 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: still in London. There have been some rumors as well 461 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: that he took another naval commission and wound up dying 462 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: at sea, and that he was committed to an asylum 463 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: and died there. But these stories, they're just completely unsubstantiated. 464 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: He also may have returned to Australia. There was a 465 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: man going by the name of Thomas Jones who died 466 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: there on Boxing Day of At that point, he was 467 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: quite an older gentleman when he felt he was drunk 468 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: to an accidental death. This same man is alleged to 469 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: have told tales only when he was very inebriated of 470 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: sneaking in to Buckingham Palace as a boy. So some 471 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: people think that that was Edward Jones, but we don't know, 472 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: And Thomas Jones was buried in an unmarked grave, so 473 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: we really don't know with any kind of certainty what 474 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: became of this very odd man. While he inspired various 475 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: fictional works, all of them diverge really quickly from reality 476 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: and they just don't really offer many clues and so 477 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, so this feels a little cliffhangy, but 478 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: really it's like a shrug. We don't know. His life 479 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: was such a weird series of like doing foolish things. 480 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: But he didn't seem like when he was captured. He 481 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: never seemed like a mustache twirling villain in the least. 482 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: He was always kind of like, I don't know, like 483 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: he didn't, there would never seem to be a clear 484 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: reason for his behaviors, which is uh part of why 485 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: I think he fascinates and befuddles people. Yeah. I still, simultaneously, 486 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: like I said before, the fact that he was breaking 487 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: into the Buckingham Palace and stealing garments and generally being 488 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: just really creepy like that is not good at all. 489 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: I do not condone that at all. I simultaneously I 490 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: feel kind of sorry for him because this whatever the 491 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: fixation was when he was a teenager and then just 492 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: followed him around for the rest of his life. Yeah, 493 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: he really never recovered from it. And part of it is, 494 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, uh, as you said, it's really creepy, and 495 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the fact that he kept doing it even after like 496 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: some pretty serious punishments had doled out at that point. 497 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: You're like, well, there's that part of it. It's like 498 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: you kind of brought this on yourself, but then to 499 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: be kind of kidnapped and forced into service as a 500 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: whole other weird problem. It's a complicated tale. Do you 501 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: have some less complicated listener, mail? I, do you know 502 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: what's really uncomplicated? What my love of the Haunted Mansion? Uh, 503 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: we happened to be recording this. It will be long 504 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: passed by the time this episode air's, but we are 505 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: recording it on the birthday of the Disneyland Haunted Mansion. 506 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: And just in time. I have a wonderful postcard from 507 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: one of our listeners who sent us a beautiful little 508 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: piece of art from the WonderGround Gallery, which is the 509 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: gallery in Disneyland. Uh. And it is a Hanta Mansion postcard. 510 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: It says, Hi, okay, so just to be sure, I 511 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: went through three more times so clearly liked it. Then 512 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: I left back to Orlando and went to Magic Kingdom today. 513 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: I checked that one too. I mean, this is from 514 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: our listener Liz, who I hope enjoyed all of those 515 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: rides on the Haunted Mansion, and she says, ps, there 516 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: are several varieties of Haunted Mansion magic bands available. Oh 517 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: is You're so sweet to try to enable my already 518 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: problematic shopping issues. But I did already know that. Uh. 519 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: And it's a really cute little postcard. It's a Darling print, 520 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: so thank you, thank you, thank you. It's by artist 521 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Dave Parrillo, and we'll try to post that on our 522 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: social media. I also UM have another thing from a 523 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: really cool project. So our listeners, Caleb and Rena are 524 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: both artists. They just finished an installation at the Grim 525 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Gallery in Providence, Rhode Island, called Fantasia Colorado and it 526 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: was inspired in part by our Red Ghosts of Arizona episode. 527 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Uh and it They sent us the the catalogs from 528 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: the exhibits with a cute little note that said, Hi, 529 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: Holly and Tracy. As promised, here are two copies of 530 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: the catalog for the show we did all about the 531 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: Red Ghost of Arizona. We hope you enjoyed them. There's 532 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: an interview where there's an interview we did that talks 533 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: about our inspiration a k A YouTube. Thank you for 534 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: the hours of entertainment and inspiration. We look forward to 535 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: each new episode and thanks also for keeping us company 536 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: while we put in long hours at the studio. We 537 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: hope you both have great summer. Stay curious, Caleb and Raina. 538 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly. Uh. This is lovely. 539 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: It's so cool, like the fact that art kind of 540 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: got catalyzed by stuff that we talked about is magical 541 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: to me. UM, and it's really beautiful. You can If 542 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: you go online and you UH do a search for 543 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: grim Gallery uh Fantasia Colorado, you will see some pictures 544 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: of the exhibit yourself, and I highly encourage you to 545 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: do so. Hopefully those will still be up when this airs. 546 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: This exhibit just closed like a couple of days ago, 547 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: so I'm bummed we did not get this in time 548 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: to talk about it while it was still open. 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