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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From how stup works dot com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristin Kristen. Every winter

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Speaker 1: and I don't mean to sound mean to my dad,

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Speaker 1: Hi dad, but every winter my dad gets some sickness,

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Speaker 1: some regular run of the mill like sniffles, kind of

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Speaker 1: aches and pains, and he acts as if the end

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Speaker 1: is near, I know, And then he goes to his doctor,

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Speaker 1: and his doctors like go home, you're fine, hem s bright,

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Speaker 1: have an orange, get over it. But apparently he's not

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Speaker 1: the only one. Apparently this is a theme with his gender. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that the term man flew existed

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Speaker 1: before we started researching this podcast, um, but apparently it's

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Speaker 1: pretty common in the UK, and it is an expression

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Speaker 1: that's a tongue in cheek term used to describe how

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Speaker 1: men may tend to inflate their symptoms of what is

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Speaker 1: probably just a common cold into a life threatening illness

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Speaker 1: and they want to be weighted on hand and foot

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Speaker 1: as they get better, right, And I I mean I've

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Speaker 1: seen this before I I used to live with dudes,

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Speaker 1: so I've seen where. You know, guys can tend to

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Speaker 1: be all weak and whiney, especially if they have a

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Speaker 1: on them and bring them soup and such. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: they have a way to take advantage of it. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Uh. Sometimes like if there's someone

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Speaker 1: may not take advantage of that. But but man flu

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Speaker 1: is supposedly this uh, this thing that that that guys do.

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Speaker 1: And uh. Dr Charles Risin, who was a clinical director

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Speaker 1: of Medicine here in Atlanta, Georgia, says that it might

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Speaker 1: be because um men become more emotionally vulnerable when they

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Speaker 1: are physically sick. Yeah, they actually it's possible that they

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Speaker 1: men maybe are more vulnerable when they are ill and

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Speaker 1: then they feel like, Okay, this is my time to

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Speaker 1: be vulnerable because it's it's easier to be vulnerable when

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Speaker 1: thing is, there is some scientific evidence to back up

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Speaker 1: specifically that women might have stronger that's right, fellas stronger

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Speaker 1: double X chromosomes. Yeah, chromosomes coming in handy. This is uh.

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Speaker 1: Some research that came out of Ghent University in Belgium

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Speaker 1: micro RNAs encoded on the X chromosome, of which women

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Speaker 1: of women and gender differences, it's already been shown in

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Speaker 1: some studies that we tend to live longer UM, and

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Speaker 1: now with this evidence that we have stronger immune systems.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting because we just seem to

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Speaker 1: it has to do with gene silencing. Um. Since book uh,

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Speaker 1: conversely immunity is because genes produce the proteins in our bodies,

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Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of people have autoimmune disorders

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Speaker 1: in this country. They affect twenty three point five million Americans,

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Speaker 1: UM and compounding problems. Even more, a lot of these

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