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Speaker 1: Alrighty Fish and Filter Episode seventy five. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Brom here with my co host and good friend

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Speaker 1: Isaac Zouit, and we're here with the founder of Fish

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Speaker 1: on First, Eli Sessman Isaac. It's been a while since

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Speaker 1: it's just been us three talking talking to Marlins, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to talk about, a lot

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Speaker 1: coming up, and it's gonna be a pretty busy month

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins, at least in July and obviously what's

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Speaker 1: left of June as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd like to say that the dog days of

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Speaker 2: summer have officially arrived. A lot to talk about here.

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Speaker 2: Recording this on June eleventh, Wednesday, we saw the season

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Speaker 2: debut of Ury Perez. Daniel Contra just completed his second

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Speaker 2: consecutive solid outing, so we'll talk about that. It is

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Speaker 2: starting to become all star and trade deadline seasons, so

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Speaker 2: we'll touch on that as well. But a lot of

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Speaker 2: things going on the team itself not going through a

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Speaker 2: great patch right now, is they've just completed their fifth

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Speaker 2: consecutive series loss. However, they're, like we always are here

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Speaker 2: every two weeks. There's some things to talk about, so

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Speaker 2: we'll get into it shortly.

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Speaker 3: How we're doing doing all right, Kevin? Yeah, the results

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Speaker 3: on the field have been redundance almost every single series

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Speaker 3: kind of playing out the same way recently with this team,

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Speaker 3: where they take one out of three against whoever they're playing,

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Speaker 3: but usually the offense has been pretty inconsistent. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: we could get more into it, but this team is

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Speaker 3: looking just a lot more like we thought it'd be

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Speaker 3: entering the year. But nonetheless, I am always really excited

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Speaker 3: to do the lead up to the trade deadline. At

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Speaker 3: least this is a team that it's direction when it

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Speaker 3: comes to the deadline has already been obviously selected for itself,

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Speaker 3: so that makes it easy for planning purposes as well

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Speaker 3: on my end, not to be selfish on that front.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again for inviting me on. So I have plan

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Speaker 3: to say on this with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get your thoughts on mister cal Quantril soon.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the last stretch of

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Speaker 1: games because, as the ISAAC noted, fifth straight serious loss,

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Speaker 1: we're recording the just after the Marlins dropped the series

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Speaker 1: to the Pittsburgh Pirates by final score five to two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get swept by the Rockies you lose

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Speaker 1: two out of three against the Giants, lose two out

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Speaker 1: of three against the Rays, and now you lose two

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Speaker 1: out of three against the Pirates. To the point it

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Speaker 1: feels like it isn't even the pitching at the times.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like just the bats aren't alive at all,

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Speaker 1: like when here Berto Hernandez is a big reason why

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Speaker 1: you're kind of staying in games. It's it's certainly an issue.

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Speaker 1: But Isaac, what have you noticed these past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: It was a terrible home stand. Other way to say it,

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Speaker 1: I mean you should not be getting swept by the

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Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies. Should have taken at least one more against

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Speaker 1: the Race to snap that you know, series losing streak.

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Speaker 1: And against the Pirates, I mean the Pirates NATO good

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Speaker 1: baseball team. Offensively, They're pitching speaks for itself. Those great

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Speaker 1: all three starters are really good against the Marlins, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately their bullpen kind of faltered in that second game,

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Speaker 1: in that middle game that the Marms rab win. But overall,

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Speaker 1: it's been a pretty probably the worst stretch of baseball

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Speaker 1: the Martins have played all season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Eli touched on it very well. It's

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Speaker 2: been the offense. Like you mentioned, Kevin, it's the pitching

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Speaker 2: think it was eleven to ten or ten to nine,

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Speaker 2: the offense has just really basically been averaging two point

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Speaker 2: This is a a nine game to three city road

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Speaker 2: trip that they are almost done with, but it has

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Speaker 2: just been tough against some pretty mediocre pitching staffs. That's

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Speaker 2: the most concerning part that the Colorado Rockies. As bad

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Speaker 2: was not able to really get anything going in that series.

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Speaker 2: In Tampa Bay and basically a glorified minor league ballpark

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Speaker 2: might be a decent opportunity for them to get the

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Speaker 2: and it's been highlighted by struggles like Kyle Stowers. It's

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Speaker 2: this At this stage, obviously it's a long season, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's sixteen games.

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Speaker 1: Under Yeah, I mean you mentioned sours, he's ops and

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Speaker 1: month of June. And you noted it too in Augustin

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Speaker 1: with Stours, what are you seeing? What are you seeing

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Speaker 1: guess the bright spots which I've been the.

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Speaker 3: Pitching struggling in different ways with Toours. This was the

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Speaker 3: is there's still a lot of swing and miss in

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Speaker 3: still decent potential there. It really does complicate the All

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Speaker 3: A revolt of some kind by fans if their favorite

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Speaker 3: when when it comes to Ramiers, a touch on it

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Speaker 3: me really optimistic about where he's going moving forward. He

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Speaker 3: It is getting off the end of his bat and

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Speaker 3: you nailed it. That's this team can't really overcome having

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Speaker 4: As we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the All Star so we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that really quickly, because as as you noted, voting has begun,

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Speaker 1: you can begin voting for Nick Fortes as your designated hitter.

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Speaker 1: I know that's up there but Isaac, who would here

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Speaker 1: overall number still looking pretty great. But who would be

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Speaker 1: your twenty twenty five Miami Martins representative.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, mister Kevin. This reminds me of

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, where there's just no obvious answer the Marvels. Eventually,

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Speaker 2: the league eventually went with Sanuelle Cantara, who wasn't pitching

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Speaker 2: to be Kyle star Wars. He was hitting three hundred,

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Speaker 2: he was opsing in the nine hundreds, and he was

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Speaker 2: really Miami's best offensive player. That trade was looking so good.

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Speaker 2: It still looks incredible for Miami. The Trevor Rodgers for

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Speaker 2: Norby and Stours. Unfortunately, both players have sort of hit

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a plateau offensively and defensively in

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Speaker 2: Norby's case. We'll talk about that later, So right now,

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Speaker 2: if you were to ask me who Miami's All Star is,

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Speaker 2: I've got to be Edward Cabrera. It's Edward Cabrera, who

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Speaker 2: And if he continues this little stretch of being incredibly

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Speaker 2: inning basis, I think he's your guy. And he he

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Speaker 2: I think that is some that the league would really

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Speaker 2: welcome in one of the brightest stages. So I would

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Speaker 2: go with Edward Cabrera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to agree. The only other name

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Speaker 1: sad but yeah, it would have to be Sanchi or

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Speaker 1: of weeks. Eli, who do you go with.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the numbers and trying to make

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to look really closely and.

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Speaker 2: I think you like nailed it on the head. Nothing

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Speaker 1: this off camera. Adam Major, who's on the forty man roster,

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Speaker 1: could be an option to line him up pretty well

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Speaker 1: for Washington at least in Philadelphia as well. And he

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Speaker 1: is a guy who's on the forty man, one of

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Speaker 1: the younger guys in the organization. I believe he is

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Speaker 1: a top ten prospect in our rankings. So it's a

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Speaker 1: guy who at this point you may as well see

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Speaker 1: what you got. You know, Beoso really isn't in those

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Speaker 1: future plans as a starter. That made that clear. But

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Speaker 1: Major is someone who they could try out, and so

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Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into this one injury. But overall,

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Speaker 1: where you stand with.

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Speaker 2: All this, First of all, it's tough to see junk

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Speaker 2: stretch of really great, lengthy relief outings, of solid relief

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Speaker 2: outings come to an end. There. He gave him a

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Speaker 2: few runs and that ury press start. I'd think going

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Speaker 2: into that, I would think that he would have been

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Speaker 2: a prime candidate. I'm not so sure anymore with whethers. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: he was really, like you said, Kevin, he was pitching

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Speaker 2: so well, and he when he got hurt his ring training,

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Speaker 2: he finally made his return mid May. He had pitched well.

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Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't as dominant, I guess, quote unquote

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Speaker 2: as he was as he showed in spring training. You're

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Speaker 2: still pitching to a sub three era a little bit

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Speaker 2: lucky evidence by the nearly by the near four to fip.

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Speaker 2: But man, that's someone that we thought. I thought personally

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Speaker 2: that he was going to strike out two hundred guys

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Speaker 2: if he's healthy, pitch at least one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy innings. Is that's all he would need

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Speaker 2: to strike out that many if he's going well, and

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Speaker 2: you just got a feel for the guy. Man that

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Speaker 2: spring training injury costs him a whole month and a half,

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Speaker 2: and now this is going to sideline him till at

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Speaker 2: least August, so I want to say, yes, August, so

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Speaker 2: we don't know how he's going to recover from that

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Speaker 2: you mentioned. In that start in Tampa Bay gets hit

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Speaker 2: in the head in some surreal freak accident that Nick

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Speaker 2: Ford says, throws the baseball back to his pitcher and

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, trying to throw the guy out warm up,

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Speaker 2: throw the second base and it hits him in the head.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that had anything to do with

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Speaker 2: any maybe change in delivery repeatability for the rest of

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Speaker 2: that start. Like you mentioned, the velocity went totally down,

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Speaker 2: So that's just bad luck for the Marlins. And as

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Speaker 2: in terms of replacing him, Adam Maser would be my

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Speaker 2: choice too, I just don't know if they're gonna do

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Speaker 2: that quite yet. I think they still have Veyosa. I

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Speaker 2: think they have no problem just sort of putting Veozo

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Speaker 2: and guys like Junk and combining those guys to complete innings.

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Speaker 2: But if it were me, you got to see what

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Speaker 2: you have with one of those two. Snelling hasn't been

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Speaker 2: pitching excellent, but yeah, those are two guys and Snelling

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Speaker 2: and Maser who he got back for tennis, Scott and

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Speaker 2: Brian Hoing that I think Marls fans are for sure

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Speaker 2: going to see in twenty twenty five. I'm not so

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Speaker 2: sure if it's gonna be this next home sent but

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Speaker 2: hopefully soon you will see. This injury unfortunately opens up

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Speaker 2: a spot for one of those two coming up soon.

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Speaker 3: From a roster management standpoint, I think it will be

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Speaker 3: Junker should be. He's out of minor league options first off,

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Speaker 3: which means that he's either going to stay in this

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Speaker 3: very goofy piggyback role that he's been in these first

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Speaker 3: few of his career, or they stretch them out just

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Speaker 3: a little bit longer and see what they have in him.

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Speaker 3: He's there was real promise there, not like we were

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Speaker 3: expecting him to keep up what he did those first

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Speaker 3: three outings where he have one wrong combined, but he

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Speaker 3: does have a deep pitch mix. He does have a

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Speaker 3: plan against both arieties and lefties, and he throws strikes,

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Speaker 3: which is really the most important thing for a team

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Speaker 3: in this situation. You want these guys to be able

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Speaker 3: to eat innings, and if you're able to attack the

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Speaker 3: z own and confident and able to do so, then

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Speaker 3: there's a chance for him to actually go deep into

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Speaker 3: games when things are clicking for him. I would think

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Speaker 3: it'd be Junk. And if it turns out that he's

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Speaker 3: just he turns into a pumpkin again and he has

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Speaker 3: the same type of struggles that he had the first

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Speaker 3: few years of the big league career, then they would

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Speaker 3: move on. Then you defa him, and then you call

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Speaker 3: up somebody like Maser who has been knocking on the

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Speaker 3: door and who was put in a lot of time

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Speaker 3: now in Triple A already that I think that's totally

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Speaker 3: understandable too. But they brought in Junk on that minor

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Speaker 3: league deal and they want to see what they have

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Speaker 3: in him before moving to typical prospects. So that always

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Speaker 3: frustrates fans during a season like this, or you just

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Speaker 3: want to see more glimpses of the future. Junk, being

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Speaker 3: twenty nine years old and having been passed around by

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Speaker 3: like five different teams unlikely to be part of the future.

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Speaker 4: But he's here for a reason, and he's.

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Speaker 3: Already shown a little bit more since Dan Dex's spring

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Speaker 3: trading then we thought he had coming into the year,

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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't mind seeing a few starts for Junk

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Speaker 3: before writing him out, writing him off as somebody that

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Speaker 3: could actually surprise people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Alrighty, let's go into trade deadline. Marlins

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Speaker 1: are clearly gonna sell. We know where this is going now.

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Speaker 1: Big difference here is that they don't have as many

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Speaker 1: pieces to probably trade off as they did last year. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: Last year, yeah, Jazz Puck, I mean jeez, they made

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Speaker 1: eight trades in total, six I want to say, on

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Speaker 1: deadline day, and then they have that graphic Eli, they

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Speaker 1: traded a lot of guys. I don't think it'll be

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Speaker 1: to that same magnitude. They'll try. They'll try their best.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. They have pieces to sell off,

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Speaker 1: just not as many, Isaac. If you have to name

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Speaker 1: one surefire player that will get traded, who will it be?

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Speaker 1: Are some other names that come to.

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Speaker 2: Mindjeez, putting me in a tough position. I might have

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Speaker 2: to be in this clubhouse on Monday morning, but if

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Speaker 2: I had to pick someone who had a high likelihood

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Speaker 2: of being dealt, I'm going to go with Anthony Bender.

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Speaker 2: He is someone that is arbitration eligible. He has proven

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Speaker 2: that he is a a serviceable reliever at the highest

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Speaker 2: level for many years. It's coming off an injury from

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Speaker 2: a few years ago, and his pitch pretty well, honestly,

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Speaker 2: and he is obviously the Marls bullpen at this stage

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Speaker 2: in the season. At this point and they're rebuild. You

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Speaker 2: do not need high leverage arms. You can find those easily,

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Speaker 2: as Peter Bendix has shown the ability to do so.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's many guys on this roster that

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Speaker 2: have the high likelihood of being traded. But if you

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Speaker 2: ask me for one surefire guy, it would be mister

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Speaker 2: Anthony Bender.

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Speaker 3: Give us yours, Kevin, and we'll break it down mine. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be at with Cabra, like they

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Speaker 1: need to trade some sort of starting pitcher. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Sandy by no means is still a locke. I

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Speaker 1: think Edwards is pitching to a point where his value

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Speaker 1: will only increase. I don't know how much an all

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Speaker 1: star bid would increase the value, maybe a little more,

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Speaker 1: but if he keeps on this stretch, I mean the

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Speaker 1: value will never be highed. Teams have always been calling

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Speaker 1: on Edward. We know that We've been hearing that for

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Speaker 1: a while. Pittsburgh called on him at one point, Colorado like,

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Speaker 1: even when he was at as low as they still

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Speaker 1: want someone like at work America to the upside, and

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Speaker 1: we're starting to see that upside come true with how

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Speaker 1: good he's luck. So I think it's Cabra.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna go with your boy cal

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Speaker 3: Quantrell because he's the one that's a pending free agent,

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Speaker 3: and you have been convinced that he is going to

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Speaker 3: have some sort of market that at the deadline, and

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Speaker 3: he's that one guy on this roster that they have

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Speaker 3: nothing to gain from holding on to him beyond July

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Speaker 3: thirty first, So I thought, if we were just talking,

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Speaker 3: most likely well in moved, I thought you'd mentioned him.

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Speaker 3: But I bring him up just because it is a

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Speaker 3: weird case where I'm still in the case that I

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Speaker 3: don't know what he offers to a contending team. He's

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Speaker 3: in this limbo role where he's a perfectly okay number

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Speaker 3: five starter on a rebuilding team, especially the way that

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Speaker 3: he has meaningfully improved. As we go back to the

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Speaker 3: last month or so after getting up to that really

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Speaker 3: slow start, the improvements that he's shown especially with his control,

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Speaker 3: is a pretty big difference maker. That's the reason why

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Speaker 3: he was cut by the Rockies in the first place

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Speaker 3: last year is that he led the National League in

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Speaker 3: walks and I was really out of character for him.

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Speaker 3: And now we zoom out on this season and he's

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Speaker 3: an above average control guy that has a deep pitch mix,

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Speaker 3: that has a few different that is actually throwing about

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Speaker 3: as hard as he ever has as of late.

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Speaker 4: He was hidden ninety.

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Speaker 3: Six in this most reason, outing against the pirates and

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Speaker 3: actually commanding it decently to go along with that. And

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Speaker 3: the salary is relatively low in a way that wouldn't

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Speaker 3: really be a big obstacle if teams actually use him.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the complication is the way that the Marlins

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Speaker 3: have handled him for the most part is they have

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Speaker 3: made it clear that they don't trust him to work

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Speaker 3: deep into games. As another result, or we've just seen

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Speaker 3: where he goes that third time through a lineup and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden he's more susceptible to getting barreled.

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Speaker 3: And so there have been a couple starts where his

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Speaker 3: final line gets totally blown up because he stays in

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Speaker 3: a few batters too long and leaves a pitch that

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Speaker 3: is just way too hitable over the middle of the

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Speaker 3: plate and comes down to regret it. That's the one

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Speaker 3: that they by nature of his contract situation, they'll be

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Speaker 3: totally open to moving him. It's yeah, you didn't mention him,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's fair to say, because maybe the

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Speaker 3: most likely scenario is they don't get anything in return

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Speaker 3: at the deadline. He maybe somebody that moves in August

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Speaker 3: as like a waiver claim when a team is gets

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Speaker 3: desperate after the deadline and it has nothing to do when

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Speaker 3: it's just willing to take on his salary. To add

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Speaker 3: more depth, I don't think he finishes the year with

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Speaker 3: the team, but yeah, the question is going to be

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Speaker 3: whether he actually has value at the deadline. This is

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Speaker 3: something similar to what they went through with Josh Bell

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Speaker 3: last year. Josh Bell got off to that very slow starts.

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Speaker 3: He was a pending free agent, and they ended up

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Speaker 3: moving him at the deadline just as a partial salary,

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Speaker 3: not even the whole salary, just to save part of

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Speaker 3: his salary.

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Speaker 4: They send him to the Diamondbacks. So that might be

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Speaker 4: the most.

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Speaker 3: Likely outcome when it comes to Quantrille, it's just finding

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Speaker 3: him in the spot where he can have some sort

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Speaker 3: of role, but not in a way that it would

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Speaker 3: actually the whole purpose of this deadline, of course, is

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Speaker 3: to add more long term talent to this organization, and

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Speaker 3: it would have to be guys. More likely Edward is

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Speaker 3: somebody that has the potential, of course, to bring back

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Speaker 3: way more in return.

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Speaker 1: Probably, I mean, outside of Sandy, he probably has the

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Speaker 1: most value, you would say, right, I mean, maybe Hazy Sanchez,

641
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Speaker 1: but Cabrera, the way he's been pitching, you gotta think

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Speaker 1: his value has never been high, and at least in

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Speaker 1: my opinion. But Isaac, where do you think the more

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Speaker 1: I'm stand right now with Sandy coming off two really

645
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Speaker 1: nice starts now, albeit against two really bad teams, but

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Speaker 1: you rather see that than see him give up eight

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Speaker 1: earned against the Dodgers or whatever it was against the

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Speaker 1: Phillies as well, where do you think they stand with him?

649
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: And how much more will he need to continue to

650
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: go on its upward trajectory or upward trend that he's

651
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: been on to get moved to another team by the deadline,

652
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Because again, I mean you we mentioned I think you

653
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: mentioned this at the start of the season. They cannot

654
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: miss on this trade whatsoever.

655
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: This is moving.

656
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, the frame, the piece, the biggest piece the

657
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: franchise has has had and a very long time, I

658
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: think is the best way to say. Probably, you probably

659
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: would say one of the most important names in the

660
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: franchise since Stanton maybe. I mean, it's it's that close

661
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: to where this is something that Bruce would have to

662
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: probably sign off on, you know, this type of trade.

663
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that thought process sort of has changed in

664
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: the past two months, unfortunately. But yes, this is the

665
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: This is the biggest name that Miami has had since

666
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: John Carlos Sanson, no doubt about it. This is someone

667
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: that I think is not that I don't think he

668
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: needs to perform that much better. I think he needs

669
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: to throw six innings of shut out ball five more

670
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: times into that. I don't think he needs to pitch

671
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: it that well for them to trade him. I know,

672
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: we spoke with a few people over the past two weeks.

673
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: I think the contract that he's I think the money

674
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: that he's owned owed seventeen million dollars, affects this greatly.

675
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: I think if they do trade him, they will replace

676
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: that salary. But I think their thought processes is that

677
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: they have a ton of guys in the minor league,

678
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues that can sort of replace that production,

679
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: that production that he's providing for them right now. And

680
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: I think that unfortunately, he pitches well against Philadelphia at home.

681
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: I think then the phone starts to ring. I think

682
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: he follows that up with another half decent five industree ords.

683
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't even have to be quality stars if his

684
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: stuff is there, because that swagger, that stuff, that command

685
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: was back there. I know it's a shitty team in Pittsburgh,

686
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: but he was really commending that sinker like he was

687
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three with that

688
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: crazy movement. The stuff has always been there, just to

689
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: command is starting to slowly come back, and that's always

690
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: the last thing that returns when you are coming back

691
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: from Tommy John surgery. If I I think Vegas would

692
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: have it at almost fifty fIF you know, even odd

693
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: so whether or not he gets traded, I would probably

694
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: say that he does. I think Mimy makes a blockbuster

695
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: move at some point in July, and you're gonna see

696
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: Sandy pitching for another team, barring any injuries, barring that

697
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: he's healthy. I think you see Sandy pitching for a

698
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: contender in August. And I think the big.

699
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Thing with this too is that the amount of years

700
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: are gonna have him for and the potential one extra

701
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: year you're gonna have him for it because again, right,

702
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: this is one of the more team friendly contracts. You

703
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: have him for whatever's left of this year. I think

704
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: you have him for one more after this, and then

705
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: you have that club option. Right, So you're you're essentially

706
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: you know you're in you're in control when you acquire

707
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: someone like Sandy, and you would think that next year

708
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna look a lot better if if he does

709
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: continue to go on this trend of it's gonna look

710
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: better towards the end of the season, and then in

711
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, it's gonna look a lot better. Not

712
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: probably not twenty twenty two, Sandy, but you'll get some

713
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: you'll get part of that, I'm sure. I mean, he's

714
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: already he's going to be over a year removed from

715
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: the injury, that rehab, all that stuff. I think I

716
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: think it is very likely that he does end up

717
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: getting traded.

718
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lean on the less likely side compared to

719
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: both of you, and I'm proud of this was one

720
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: of my bold predictions, if I remember correctly, that he

721
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't got and so the fact that it's even such

722
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: a so up in the air at this late stage

723
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: of the game that works out, And this was when

724
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: the ultimately just comes down to are the Marlins going

725
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: to get enough in return that they feel that it's

726
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: worth it at this particular juncture, even though we know

727
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: the direction it's heading in. It's heading in the direction

728
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 3: that they'll almost certainly get traded at some point. Would

729
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: this be selling too low for them in order to

730
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: go through with it? Is it really going to be

731
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: that much different of a return than what they got

732
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: for Lozardo? When Lozardo he had an extra half year

733
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 3: of control compared to Sandy, but he was coming off

734
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: his own injury, he had a much shorter track record.

735
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: YadA YadA.

736
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: They got, you know, they got Starlinkba, who's a borderline

737
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: top one hundred guy at the time and at this

738
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: moment hasn't been able to build upon it. Would that

739
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: be enough for them to move forward with the Sandy

740
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: trade right now? Because right now I don't know if

741
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: there's I'm still not entirely convinced that he is trending

742
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: towards being an impactful postseason starter right now based on

743
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: what we've seen the last couple outings. He's faced two

744
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: of the worst offenses in baseball, the Rockies and the Pirates,

745
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: and before that, really the most encouraging stretch of his

746
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: entire season was way back on opening Day, which is

747
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: once again against the Pirates. There's just been no evidence

748
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: at all that he can go multiple times through a

749
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: lineup against a good lineup and have success so far

750
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: the season.

751
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: So he's going to get opportunities to do that coming

752
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: up these next few weeks.

753
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: He's facing a Phillies team almost certainly going to face

754
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: the Braves after that, and then potentially the Diamondbacks after that.

755
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: This is all tensative the way that it lines up.

756
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: This would be a huge stretch, and I think this

757
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: is going to make or break whether or not he's

758
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: This is going to play out, because he's going to

759
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: have to be successful in at least at least one

760
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: of those three matchups, if not multiple of those, just

761
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: for some proof of concept for teams to actually be

762
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: convinced that he makes their team a lot better and

763
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: that it's worth giving up more to get him than

764
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: they would giving up a lot of the other pictures

765
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: that will be available on the market. So my concern

766
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: is that I just don't I'm not convinced how much

767
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: he helps the team this year. I'm still I have

768
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: deep confidence in him turning his career arounds, whether it's

769
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: next year, at some point in being and having a

770
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 3: very long and productive major league career as a starter.

771
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: It's just that the whole point of a trade deadline

772
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: deal is somebody that can immediately elevate your team. And

773
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 3: even though he raises the ceiling for a certain team,

774
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: I mean, when we have this long stretch of him

775
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: being such a mediocre pitcher, there's also that really low

776
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: floor that he's just not locating his stuff well enough

777
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: in order to get out the way that he used to. YEA,

778
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: So I hope he turns this around. I hope this

779
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 3: really is the sort of a meaningful upward trend for him.

780
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: I just still, in the back of my mind think

781
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: this entire year could be somewhat of a wash where

782
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: he just alternates back and forth between looking a lot

783
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: like his old self and then looking lost. But the

784
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: complication that you just don't know if there's the tiniest

785
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: injury scare that comes up at some point during the season,

786
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: whether that would require an inconvenient.

787
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 4: Stint on the il.

788
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: So just a lot of factors here that still make

789
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: me think that he might actually be Marlin for the

790
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: whole year.

791
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: This streams to me like a perfect player to package

792
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: someone with, like a Ronnie Henriquez or an Anthony Bend

793
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 2: or someone with clout control who does help your bullpen needs.

794
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: And you're not taking a risk on Sandy. That is

795
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: the main package you're getting to get us wrong. But

796
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: if you you know, you do get that for sure help. Now, obviously,

797
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: within any bulpen arm, it's could be poulticed. Look at

798
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: David Robertson, But I think I smell something along those

799
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: lines with a Tanner and Brian Howeing. I smell something

800
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: like that maybe being a possibility and the team be

801
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: more willing and like you mentioned that, whether it's for

802
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: this year, I know that's where you get desperation for

803
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: trade and trade deadlines when, especially when it's a rental

804
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: in Sandy's case, it's not a rental, I think teams

805
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: would still be willing to pay a lot in prospect

806
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: capital for not only did these two months, but also

807
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: all of next season and the year after that with

808
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: a guy that has shown the ability since twenty twenty

809
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: to be one of the best starters in Major League Baseball,

810
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: even while he's been struggling against really, really good offenses.

811
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: It's just tough. He had to face the Dodgers twice

812
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: in a row, he had a face dime, He had

813
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: to face really tough teams, and it seemed the industry

814
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: wasn't too concerned. Even though we are and I am

815
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: I would have been. It seems like other rival front

816
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: offices weren't as concerned as we are. And if that's

817
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: the case and he pitches, okay, just has to don't

818
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: give up more than four against any of those teams.

819
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: With the Phillies and the Braves Arizona, I think he

820
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: gets dealt. I think that teams would be willing to

821
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: give multiple top one hundred prospects for this young man,

822
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: especially if you package him with a Vender or Henriquez.

823
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: Now that's where I want to go. Point. We had

824
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: said at the start of the season, this is going

825
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: to be more of a quality return than quantity. That's great.

826
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: The way he's pitching. Do you think that changes? Do

827
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: you think it's quantity over quality at this point? What

828
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: are we thinking with that? Because with certain guys, obviously

829
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: you got to get quantity. I feel like that's the

830
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: case with obviously the relievers, maybe Hazou Sanchez. But with

831
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: someone like Sandy, you're probably selling for some sort of

832
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: quality type prospects, like a blue chip prospect which don't

833
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: want to give up.

834
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: Probably that's impossible to guess what it's sort of I

835
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: guess depends on the system you're trading with. I would

836
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: I thought that with freaking Tanner Scott, you go get

837
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: a blue chip guy. It went with quantity over quality.

838
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: That seems to be the way Peter Bendix operates with

839
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: Lozardo as sort of one quality guy. There no disrespects

840
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: with Manuel Boyd. Yeah, with Sandy, if they had traded

841
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: him at spring training when his value was that it's

842
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: absolute highest three four years of control and pitching as

843
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: well he was in spring, you can get multiple blue

844
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: chip guys. So I think it's gonna be both. If

845
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: he continues to pitch well, obviously, I think you can

846
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: get a quality a quantity. How do I weard this?

847
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: A lot of quality pieces for this player. It's just

848
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: such a special player that the stuff is still there,

849
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: the command is starting to improve again. I would go

850
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: for that. I would go for I would think that

851
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: that's what they get back.

852
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: So Sandy's expected to make his next start on Monday

853
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: against the Phillies. We'll go up against the Braves during

854
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: the weekend at some point, maybe that Sunday game, and

855
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: then he goes on the road against the Diamondbacks. Three

856
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: very good teams. Regardless of the Diamondbacks disappointing a little

857
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: bit this season, they are still a really good line up,

858
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: regardless of you know, I mean, compared to what Sane

859
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: he's seen the last two times, it's definitely a lot better.

860
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: But the other name I wanted to bring up, and

861
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: I know a lot of national media brought this specific

862
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: name up is Kyle Stowers, and so ours has been

863
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: around that he's again we spoke about the struggles recently,

864
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: but overall on the season, he's been good. He's not

865
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: a free agent until twenty thirty are eligible in twenty

866
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven, ELI, what do you pray Cole stours as

867
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: soon as possible, Like this is a guy who could

868
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: be pretty volatile to some certain extent, because if he

869
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: continues on this trend, the valley is gonna plummet and

870
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to move him. But there

871
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: are teams that could use a lefty bat in their lineup.

872
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: I know Jim Boden was mentioning Twins Astros. I think

873
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: even the Phillies Potdre's. I think I've needed an outfielder

874
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: for a bit. So there's probably not a way where

875
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: where maybe Miami can move this type of player who

876
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: probably no one expected him to be doing what he's

877
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: doing right now or what he had been doing throughout

878
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: most of the season.

879
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: M No, I am not a fan of moving hitters

880
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 3: with four and a half years a club control, which

881
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: is he has at the moment. That's kind of difference

882
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: between relievers in any other positions. With the relievers you

883
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: kind of throw at the service time and you just say,

884
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: do you have nasty stuff? Does to work right now?

885
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: I'll go ahead enjoy your new spot. Stuff like that

886
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: with any other player, if you're moving it that early,

887
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: then it does a pretty clear red flag to whoever

888
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: you're negotiating with that you don't believe in that player

889
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: or that you feel like you're something's up if you're

890
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: willing to move them with that much club control when

891
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: they're not arbitration eligible, when I think there's still another

892
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: year of pre arg before they even get there. It

893
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: doesn't I don't think it adds up in a way

894
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: that makes sense, even though he's a guy that could

895
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: help a decent amount of contending teams even when all

896
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: the regression sets in. I don't think this is the

897
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: timing for it with Tours. I would think that is

898
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: something you re evaluate in the off season because this

899
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: Marlin's team actually does have a lot of outfield depth,

900
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: maybe not upside, but a ton of outfielders in their mix,

901
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: between Stowers and Dane Griffin conin coming back from his injury,

902
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: Victor Mason Junior, Andrew Pinar, Jacob Marcy, Derek Hill, don't

903
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: forget about Derek Hill.

904
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: Derek Hill still arounds. Who else am I forgetting on

905
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: this actor for us? I guess Eric can.

906
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Fake it in the corner of outfield spots, but he's

907
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: more of a first basement obvious to Noah being a

908
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: utility guy that helps out there. They do have oh

909
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: and Kemp Alderman. Not that far away Kemp having a

910
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: Really they have a lot of outfielders in a way

911
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: that I think you're going to see some sort of

912
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: consolidation of assets. You're going to see some of those

913
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: guys traded just because there's only so much room to

914
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: get them reps at the big league level.

915
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: What a lot of them are ready.

916
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: At the same time, I don't think that the deadline

917
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: would be that moment for it, just with the way

918
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: that unfortunately injuries like Conaines have opened up more time

919
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: for somebody like Stowers where star wars can play almost

920
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 3: every day and not necessarily block anybody all that clearly.

921
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: So I think that is an interesting off season discussion

922
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: because in order to trim those down, I don't think

923
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: there's any rush to do it with him or any

924
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: of the other guys, just because all of those outfielders

925
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: still have a million years of club control. Money isn't

926
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: even a factor yet. I think it would have to

927
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: be a pretty creative package of some kind in order

928
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: to make that happen right now, something that most likely

929
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: waits a little bit longer.

930
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's what makes this deadline so interesting for the Marlins,

931
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: because you know, last season they did have guys with

932
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: some control, but not a lot to where you know

933
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: you wanted to hold on to them this year. I mean,

934
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: you're trading guys with three maybe four years of control depending.

935
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to say, because I just I named

936
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of outfielders and I didn't name Haesus Sanchez

937
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: because he's the one guy that is an outfielder and

938
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: he's the one that is making money. He's the one

939
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: where that it makes a lot more sense, whether it's

940
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: the deadline or the off season for him to move,

941
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: and he is the one that just because he is

942
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: as far along as he is in that process and

943
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 3: has tools that he does have some sort of major

944
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: league track record at this point, at least against right

945
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: handed pitching, being able to hit for power. Sanchez is

946
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: the one, in my opinion, really the one outfielder that

947
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: at this deadline could be the right time for all

948
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: parties involved.

949
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: So the one thing I will counter the stour control

950
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: thing is the Martins traded Jake Berger. I now know

951
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: that was the off season, but they traded him before

952
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: his pre are I'm in pre in pre arbitration, So

953
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean Peter Bennix did it once obviously. Stours is

954
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: a different I guess player, younger obviously, but you know

955
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: he's a guy who.

956
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Has some similar tendencies.

957
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: To Burger, where it's a lot of swinging mistes, a

958
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of strikeouts. I mean, I don't see I see

959
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: a world where they could trade Stowers in the offseason.

960
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: I I do as well, but I just with Burger,

961
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: Bendigs didn't acquire him. That was a kim ming thing,

962
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: and there was some serious red flags with Burger, you

963
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: know a little bit different. Bendigs singles, you know himself

964
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: acquired Stowars and Norby in the same deal. I I

965
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: don't know why these national reporters are talking about so

966
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: so much, especially at the deadline. Just don't see that happening.

967
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: I think he like makes a really good point that

968
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: with a position player especially, you know, why the heck

969
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: would you trade someone with that much service time left?

970
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Maybe the off season maybe, but this trade deadline. I

971
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: would be shocked to see his name even floated.

972
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: Last time I'll bring up and you guys are gonna

973
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: laugh at me for this one. But they have three catchers?

974
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Do they move nick fourtes? Do you think they do

975
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: something there? I mean Joe Mack on the cusp Liam

976
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: Hicks is not playing more first base, giving four toes.

977
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I guess some paving the way from the catch every

978
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: day or close to that, but they're still having Hicks

979
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: catch here and there. Whoever wants to take this one,

980
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: what would you do with Nick Fortez because it definitely

981
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: seems like he's the odd man out. Obviously offensively hasn't

982
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: been good, but defensively, I think a team would take that.

983
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to do. I'm not asking for

984
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: a top thirty prospect. I'm asking them to just move

985
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: the guy for something.

986
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay. My opinion on this is that I think that

987
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: even if he does not get a single hit the

988
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: rest of the season, I think he is more valuable

989
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: to the Marlins to finish the season with them and

990
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: with their pitching staff and all the guys they're gonna

991
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: call up. I think he's more valuable to keep catching

992
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: games for them than he would be in any trade scenario.

993
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: I think that you keep that guy and then you

994
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: see you weigh your options the offseason.

995
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: Right one thing I see if I can pull up

996
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 3: the stats for people to look at, that is looking

997
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: at beforehand when it comes to Isaac's point about being

998
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: more valuable.

999
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: To the Marlins.

1000
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: Their pitchers are performing a lot better when they throw

1001
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: to Fortes than when they throw to anybody else, and

1002
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: I think there is something to that when it comes

1003
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: to being able to manage a game in a way

1004
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: that takes time for younger catchers to learn and puts

1005
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: the pictures themselves. Want to have themselves in a better

1006
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: situation and be paired up with a veteran that perhaps

1007
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: is calling pitches in a way that makes more sense

1008
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: to them, so there's value to keeping him around. From

1009
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: that standpoint. There is the factor pushing against that is

1010
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: Liam Hicks being a surprisingly relevant part of this team.

1011
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: He is, frankly with the slump to Augustine. Like Leam,

1012
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: Hicks is the one having the best seasons to this point,

1013
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: the most valuable player of those three so far, yet

1014
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: he has barely caught at all in these recent weeks,

1015
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: and I feel like that is somewhat intentional that they

1016
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: would have with no motivations involved, they would keep all

1017
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: three of those guys somewhat fresh as a catcher, But

1018
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: the fact that Fortest has called the majority of their

1019
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: games over the last few weeks suggests that they might

1020
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: be trying to audition him in a way for teams

1021
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: potentially at the deadline. So I could see that happening.

1022
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: And with Hicks, if they go back to a conventional

1023
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: two catcher set up on the active roster, it's easier

1024
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: to evaluate Hicks in a way that they have not

1025
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: been able to do to this point in recent weeks,

1026
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: just because his playing time has been somewhat uneven. I

1027
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: can see it either way. I don't think they're dying

1028
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: to get four tes out of the situation. A part

1029
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: of it is because you look at their roster and

1030
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 3: not like there's anybody slamming on the door at triple

1031
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: A on the position player side that eads us on

1032
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: this roster right now, then pretty good?

1033
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Who pins are?

1034
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Penza, he's been all right, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't

1035
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: say that's necessarily.

1036
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: He's not lamming, but you know, he's good enough to

1037
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: where I think he deserves it soon.

1038
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So they'll weigh all that stuff. Similar to

1039
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: to Quantrill, I just don't think you're getting much in

1040
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: return at all. The one big difference between the regular

1041
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: season and the playoffs is you can basically ride through

1042
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: the playoffs with one catcher in a way that's impossible

1043
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 3: to do during the regular season. So what Ford says,

1044
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: wherever he goes, unless they suffer a really unfortunate injury

1045
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: that forces him to action, he's not going to be

1046
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: playing the most important games of the season, even if

1047
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 3: he even if he turns things up down the stretch,

1048
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be riding the bench in the most

1049
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: important games for whatever team he goes to. So I

1050
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: lean on the side of him sticking around, but I

1051
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: can see both ways.

1052
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: Alrighty, I think we'll wrap it up here. I think

1053
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: covered everything we needed too, so already we'll rap up here.

1054
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We'll be back

1055
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: in two weeks with a guest so from Eli Isaac

1056
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: and myself. See you guys all in two weeks. Peace

1057
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: out and go Fish.