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Speaker 1: the Ex Girlfriend's Club or if you can't be with

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Speaker 1: its hosts TC and Siege, have now finished their own rewatch,

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Speaker 1: So welcome back to pod meets World to John Adams

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Speaker 2: Hello, helloy, how's it going, guys doing well, how we

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Speaker 3: We're so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: As always, we are so excited to have you two

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Speaker 1: with us to recap the season, not only the season

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Speaker 4: To ask you, once again, are we ruining anything for you?

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Speaker 1: Although I think at this point we feel pretty confident

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Speaker 5: Don't make us watch Storry Night and we'll be fine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, he's he's emotional, which is understandable, but it's

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Speaker 5: It just kind of was whatever we needed at the time.

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Speaker 5: Like me, I mean there's some wasn't that this season?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, life, I.

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Speaker 11: I do, Sean, you don't know, but I do right, Wow.

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00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: And he becomes a teacher? How about that?

441
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 12: Yeah?

442
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: Oh you know.

443
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 11: Uh.

444
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: We like we said we had things that we loved

445
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: about this season, we also had things about the season

446
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: that we didn't really, I don't know, necessarily agree with

447
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 3: you guys on or different takes that we had, Like,

448
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: for example, you guys really didn't care for brothers the

449
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: kind of season over?

450
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

451
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: Eric comes back home and Corey promises to find him

452
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: a place to stay. Things take a strange turn when

453
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: Eric's new roommate turns out to be Sean's half brother

454
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: Jack for.

455
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 5: No reason at all.

456
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 3: One of the things that we actually enjoyed about this

457
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 3: episode was that it showed Chet trying to be a

458
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: better parent while also acknowledging his limitations in the way

459
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 3: that we found really interesting. We go crazy for any Chet,

460
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: so it's always a standout for us in that way.

461
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 9: But why why why make him the brother? Like, what

462
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 9: what do we gain out of him being a hunter?

463
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 3: This is actually that leads to another question we had

464
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: actually about Matt Lawrence joining the show, because we've loved

465
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: Matt Lawrence h since Missus doutfire See has been in

466
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 3: love with all the Lawrence Brothers, since it was age

467
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: appropriate by the way, but they bring him in in

468
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 3: the first half of the season is almost completely dedicated

469
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: to building his relationship with Sean, and then they almost

470
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: completely abandoned that second half to focus on his chemistry

471
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: with Eric. So it just had us thinking, like, could

472
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: they have done something to make his character and storyline

473
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: hit a little bit harder? Like see just saying that,

474
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: like if he started off as more of a rich

475
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: boy snob and softened over time, maybe that would have

476
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: created more character dynamics, where as, like with Will, I agree,

477
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: I think he should have just been brought in as

478
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: a roommate. So I guess, how do you feel about

479
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: Jack as a character being brought into the season and

480
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: introduced to us?

481
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: Not great?

482
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's yeah, I mean I think you know, actually,

483
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 6: I feel like, when you know, we were criticizing those

484
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 6: first couple episodes, I hadn't remembered the episode where we

485
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 6: end up moving into each other's or he moves into

486
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 6: my room and we wrestle and all that that was great,

487
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 6: Like that kind of conflict and tension between us, I

488
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 6: thought really actually did work. But for the most part, no,

489
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 6: I just think unfortunately they were really stoked on going

490
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 6: for the drama between him and me, and it's just

491
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 6: a bummer to have that guy come in and have

492
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 6: basically no character and just have conflict between us that's

493
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 6: kind of manufactured and it's all backstory and then it's

494
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 6: like backstory revealed. I don't know, it's just it's and

495
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 6: I feel bad for Matt Lawrence not having much to

496
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 6: do for a while, and a lot of these episodes

497
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 6: he's just plugged in and just there.

498
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 12: Uh.

499
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 9: But I think that's almost what they did sometimes, is

500
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 9: they plug somebody in and then they'd let them find

501
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 9: where they belong, if that makes sense. So it was like, oh, okay,

502
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 9: well the scenes with Eric and Jack seem to be

503
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 9: working better, so now they're going to be It's like

504
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 9: what happened with Eric and Feenie. It was like, Oh,

505
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 9: what's gonna be Corey Feenie? Well, the Eric Phoene stuff

506
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 9: was working. What if we put them together? So it's

507
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 9: almost like, let's throw them in and then let's see

508
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 9: where they find their level.

509
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 6: And I think Matt and I were just too much

510
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 6: of the same vit like neither one of us were

511
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 6: funny enough to or characters weren't extreme enough to push

512
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 6: like to a you know, interesting scene for the most part,

513
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 6: So I disagree.

514
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 8: I feel like you've talked about it when he when

515
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 8: Matthew Lawrence leans into what we call like that Lawrence acting,

516
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 8: which is like, you know, like you can kind of

517
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 8: hear Joey yeah, or I think will you called it

518
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 8: the Tony Danza approach.

519
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 7: I don't really know her. He's doing that. It's fun

520
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 7: and I believe.

521
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 8: I think they just didn't allow or in my mind,

522
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 8: as you said, maybe if it was storyboarded, it would

523
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 8: have like they could have had like.

524
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 7: A through line. One of the fandreies we had is

525
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 7: that like Chet knew that Jack was in town.

526
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 8: And like the first episode is like all a setup,

527
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 8: and that to me is just like a better, more

528
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 8: interesting story to tell of like, oh, Jack and Chet

529
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 8: are doing this because Chet knows he can't take in Sean,

530
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 8: and Sean needs someone. He's gonna need a place to live,

531
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 8: he's gonna, you know, have something, so like it gives

532
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 8: him like an anchor while also allowing them to work

533
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 8: out their brother dynamic. And if that's how you go

534
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 8: into the show, then it kind of makes more sense

535
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 8: and it's a little bit more fun.

536
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did kind of end up changing my opinion.

537
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: When we first started the season, I was very much

538
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: on the team of.

539
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: Why does he need to be Sean's.

540
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: Brother, But seeing how little we mentioned any family for

541
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: Sean after having multiple seasons be fully devoted to his

542
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: home life, the fact that Jack represents Hunter family for

543
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: Sean is so needed.

544
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: Otherwise it would have just been like dropped off.

545
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Yes, this kid's just out in space, and there's so

546
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: many there's so fewer Matthew's family scenes that involve Sean

547
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: feeling like a member of a family. As a matter

548
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: of fact, there's scenes where Alan says you, you've always

549
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: been the bad influence. If he had no familiar you know,

550
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: stakes and Alan's yelling at him, I think it would

551
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: have been very jarring. So by the time the season ended,

552
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I was actually really grateful that Jack.

553
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: Was kind of that like family presence for him.

554
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: But when we first started, it made no sense to me,

555
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: and I was surprised by how many references to this

556
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: is my brother, that's my little brother. Why do we

557
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: always end up wrestling because we're brothers? Like we went

558
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: into a thing Amp's never going to be mentioned again,

559
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: but it is, even if very casually. You guys, being

560
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: bonded by blood is.

561
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Jack's not the only character that we

562
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: get this season. We also get a new character in Angela, who,

563
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: by the way, is maybe our first black student since

564
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: Third Seat Kid number two.

565
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 6: You're right, yep, but what really is there no black

566
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 6: guest stars up until I.

567
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 13: Think there's maybe some here, but not students. Alex is

568
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 13: air but like, yeah, yeah, but one of the things

569
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 13: about Angela is like she was brought in to be

570
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 13: Sean's girlfriend into Penga's best friend.

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 7: But we don't really know if.

572
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: The show succeeded in developing her as either of those things.

573
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 9: Nope, which is a shame because we've the one thing

574
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 9: that we've noticed is that the episodes where they give

575
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 9: her something to do, she's amazing.

576
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: She's such a scar out, she's great.

577
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 9: And so to look back at it and be like, man,

578
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 9: they didn't use her already? Again, woman, I don't think

579
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 9: I know, it sounds terrible. I don't think black or

580
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 9: white has anything to do with it. It's woman on

581
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 9: our show. It's that's kind of different. It's just, yeah,

582
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 9: I know.

583
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 7: It's white, but it's really important.

584
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 8: And this is something like we were talking about episodes

585
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 8: where we wanted to like see things that you missed

586
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 8: or like we disagreed with.

587
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 7: In the if you Can't Be the One You.

588
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 8: Love episode the Drink the Drinking episode, you talk about

589
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 8: the fact that, like they push Trina against the wall,

590
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 8: Angela's character is consistently and I was like, whether, like,

591
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 8: I do know that there are lots of people who

592
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 8: are like, well Trina was like fine with it, or

593
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 8: like she thought it was like all in good fine,

594
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: But as a viewer, as a black viewer.

595
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 7: To see the way that they handle.

596
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 8: The black character. They don't ever push to peg it

597
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 8: into a locker. They never shut me. So if you're

598
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 8: gonna say that, oh, it was a bit and the

599
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 8: bit worked and that's why they kept doing it, then

600
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 8: why aren't they doing it any of the other female characters.

601
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 8: It's this idea that black women are more durable, Black

602
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 8: women can handle more And as a black viewer, you

603
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 8: just like it's not to say that it can't be funny,

604
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 8: but you do notice why are they treating this this

605
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 8: way and the other characters differently?

606
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: And I mean even in the drinking episode, Sean goes

607
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: above and beyond to apologize to Tapanga and Feenie, and

608
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that he ever even says sorry to.

609
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: Angelo for hitting her, not on camera.

610
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: No, we talked about that.

611
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 9: We talked about that, how strong it would have been

612
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 9: had Angela turned and said, if you ever put your

613
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 9: hands on me again.

614
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 6: We don't do that, don't I say something? We do

615
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 6: have some moment right.

616
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Cause where you said, you say you don't like it

617
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: when I drink, I don't. You don't like me when

618
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: I drink. I don't either, And she says, great because

619
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: I really like you when you don't. And then you

620
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: kiss her on the cheek and you guys walk in together.

621
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: There's no actual apology.

622
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: Thanks ye.

623
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 8: This brings up the fact a lot of this series

624
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 8: tends to tell, not show. And that's kind of one

625
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 8: of the things that we noticed that you noticed, is

626
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 8: that very often things will happen off camera, And I

627
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 8: guess like that begs the question what would you have

628
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 8: liked to see? Like, what scenes do you think are

629
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 8: like missing or on the cutting room for that would

630
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 8: actually help some of these storylines we just talked.

631
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: About one in the graduation episode. That the missed opportunity

632
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: for there not to be a scene between Sean and

633
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: Turner where him making the decision that he's why he's

634
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: going to do right, why he's going to do the project,

635
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: and what these years have meant to him. Turner would

636
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: would have been the perfect person. Sean could have even

637
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: sought him out wherever.

638
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 4: He was teaching.

639
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: Now he's in a new location or he's doing something else,

640
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: but he goes to him and he has the conversation

641
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: about how he realizes he didn't live up to his

642
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: potential like that could have been.

643
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: That was definitely a missed opportunity.

644
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 6: I think anything with Angela and the idea that you

645
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 6: have two couples, right, like you have a Corey and

646
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 6: a Sean, or two pairs of friends who are dating

647
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 6: each other, right, it means that you had the opportunity

648
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 6: to have to Panga and Angela be their own Corey

649
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 6: and Sean, and they could have been scheming to do things,

650
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 6: or making mistakes or miscommunicat you know, And they did

651
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 6: a little bit of that with a dancing episode, right,

652
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 6: but I wanted more that, Like any scene with the

653
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: two of you making decisions or having your own anything

654
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 6: separate from us, it would have been great. And like

655
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 6: especially watching in the Starry Night episode when you guys

656
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 6: had scenes were you talking and you know, you're still

657
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 6: talking about Korey and guys, but it was funny and

658
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 6: Trina was hysterical and you had like banter and like

659
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: also with the letter, like these were great scenes. So

660
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 6: if you guys had been given your own B plot,

661
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 6: C plot, anything that then we had to react to

662
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: as opposed to us always you know, Corey and Sean

663
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 6: always initiating whatever the conflict was, would have been so

664
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 6: easy and so fun and appreciated. But you know, so

665
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: I think anything with Angela.

666
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: Because I think at one point they're like, oh, we're

667
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: best friends, and I was like, when did that happen?

668
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 7: Yeah?

669
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, now it's exactly I think.

670
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 9: If I had to pick something, it would have been

671
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 9: it would have been a massive change to the show.

672
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 9: But when I think that was necessary or needed, which

673
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 9: is the they totally missed the boat on the will

674
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 9: they won't they?

675
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 5: I think they should.

676
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 9: Corey and Tapanga should have broken up, and they should

677
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 9: have been broken up for a season, and they should

678
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 9: have dated other people and they should have seen what

679
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 9: else was out there, and it would have led to

680
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 9: whole different groups of storylines. Wow, I did meet somebody

681
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 9: I like different, or oh it's and then are they

682
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 9: going to get back together?

683
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: What happens?

684
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: Are they going to kiss this night?

685
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 9: I think they just left a whole bunch of stories

686
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 9: on the table.

687
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 6: By now also would have forced the writers to include

688
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 6: Topanga in a way that she's not just the girlfriend,

689
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 6: because you know, if they if they were broken up,

690
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 6: but she is still a regular on the show, they

691
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 6: would have had to account for this person's presence on

692
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 6: the show and in our lives, which would have been

693
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 6: great because it would have been an opportunity to be like, oh,

694
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 6: Corey and Tobanka actually do have a friendship, They actually

695
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 6: do talk about these things, Sean and Tapanga actually talk

696
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 6: about things other than corn like. Any of that would

697
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: have just made the show richer and better, and Topanga

698
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 6: richer character.

699
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, you talk about it in Eric Hollywood about by

700
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 8: the way, I agree with you. We've just done the

701
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 8: rewatch and I completely forgot that the subplot or the

702
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 8: b plot of Eric Hollywood is chicken pox. But in

703
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 8: that episode we actually do get one on one with

704
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 8: Sean and Topanga, and it's like, that's that's a great thing,

705
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 8: and we want more of that. You want to see

706
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 8: more dynamics. And I think, like, I look to you

707
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 8: guys like Pod meets World. I love listening to you

708
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 8: because it also gives me an insight to television, which

709
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 8: I love and I grew up watching. And I think

710
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 8: that as I look at other ensemble casts, you're like, Oh,

711
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 8: what makes it magical is when you do get time

712
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 8: with different unexpected pairings.

713
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

714
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Speaker 9: I'm just thinking about now. My head is going to

715
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 9: where all the stories could have gone. I mean an

716
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 9: episode down the line where maybe Tonga starts dating Jack,

717
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 9: like you never know. You could have done so because

718
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 9: friend groups, when you're all in a friend group, you know,

719
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 9: people hook up, you go, this one goes with this one.

720
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Speaker 7: That's so.

721
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Speaker 9: I mean, they're each Tapanga secretly as a boyfriend, and

722
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Speaker 9: it's a whole conversation with Angelo, it's a whole thing.

723
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Speaker 9: Why should I I can't tell Corey, It's like, you're single,

724
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 9: What do you mean you can't. They could have done

725
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 9: so much with it, which then would have also established

726
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 9: the women as characters on their own, which then when

727
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 9: we all get into college, then we're all together, and

728
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 9: then you know, everybody, we're all separate characters. We've all got,

729
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 9: you know, really distinguished personalities, and now you go from there.

730
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 9: It would have I think they left a lot on

731
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 9: the table, and they did it all for the fact

732
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 9: that we have to be together. The universe wants us together.

733
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 9: We can't spend more than two episodes apart. And I

734
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 9: think they they really drop the ball on that.

735
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Speaker 7: Is that what it is?

736
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 8: And I asked that question because one of the things

737
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 8: that we've always wanted to know is like what what

738
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 8: do you think the motivation is it? Is it the showrunner,

739
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 8: is it the network? What is like keeping these things protected?

740
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: And like like down to we've talked about this before.

741
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 8: The story seems to like bend over backwards to keep

742
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 8: Corey in good light. Like in the drinking episode, for example,

743
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 8: Corey brings the liquor and the story isn't about Hey, Corey,

744
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 8: you brought liquor. And by the way, you know that

745
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 8: your best friend's father has a history with alcohol and

746
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 8: you're aware, Like if that's not the lesson, the lesson

747
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 8: at the end of it is Sean, you have a

748
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 8: drinking problem, and you're like what, And then the same

749
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 8: thing with the breakup. The breakup happens, and the the

750
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 8: story arc itself is like Topanga, you ruined us.

751
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 7: So we were like, is that is that? Showrunners?

752
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 8: Is that network? What keeps the main character protected? And

753
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 8: do you think that there was anything that like could

754
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 8: have helped the show.

755
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Expand I think overall there is a There is definitely

756
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: a network desire, at least to a certain degree, a

757
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: network desire to keep all of the main characters somewhat likable.

758
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: They can have flaws, but you have to be able

759
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: to understand why they have those flaws, like, oh, Sean

760
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: is a tortured soul, but we know why and we

761
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: have empathy for him. So you have to be able

762
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: to have empathy for your lead characters.

763
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: But I think the.

764
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Very straightforward answer for who's protecting Corey is it's Michael Jacobs.

765
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: It was Michael Jacobs writing a show from his POV

766
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: and he is supposed to represent the Cory character. And

767
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that Michael necessarily takes blame for you know,

768
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: takes blame for anything.

769
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 7: Does that apply to Jack too?

770
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 8: And I asked because Jack, as you said earlier, I

771
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 8: feel like I think one of you mentioned it in

772
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 8: the beginning, if Jack was allowed to be flawed, if

773
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 8: he was allowed to like be hated a little bit,

774
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 8: a little too snobby or one of the things that

775
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 8: I and this isn't like much of a spoiler, but

776
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 8: like a head cannon in me, it's like Jack doesn't

777
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 8: like Corey.

778
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 7: They and it would be great to get like.

779
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 8: An outside perspective of like someone who's not as endeared

780
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 8: to Corey, doesn't have the history so he can kind

781
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 8: of see things objectively.

782
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 7: And I feel like there are preto times where we're like, well, why.

783
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 8: Didn't we make Jack a little bit more unlikable? And

784
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 8: then again this story, Oh god, it.

785
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 6: Would have been so good if he was like wearing

786
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 6: a three piece suit and has all this money and

787
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 6: like it's really nice to Sean but also just lives

788
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 6: this completely different lifestyle that they will never understand each other,

789
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 6: and then they're constantly trying to like it would have been.

790
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: It could have created so many great fireworks and sparks,

791
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 6: and yeah, I don't know. I think they just didn't.

792
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: They just didn't have an idea. They just came in.

793
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, oh, we got to get him

794
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 6: on the show. And I think they were Yeah, I

795
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 6: think they were worried that he would be unlikable. But

796
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: that's such a mistake, such a mistake.

797
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, nobody's unlikable. But I mean, when you think

798
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: about it, nobody on the show is unlikable, right.

799
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So I have a question just because we're

800
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: talking about Michael Jacobs. You guys shared a few stories

801
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: of Michael just maybe just giving you guys a little

802
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: bit too hard of a time on set or during

803
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: script readings, seemingly to like provoke a certain performance or

804
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: teach a lesson, like the Shakespeare incident with Will or

805
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: like killing off jenniferluff Hewitt just to make a point,

806
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Like do you think these were I mean, these seemed

807
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: like they were unnecessary challenges, And I guess I would say, like,

808
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: in today's acting world, how do you think you could

809
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: like challenge actors without going to such extremes?

810
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 8: Because that said, I will we joke about it often,

811
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 8: but there does seem to be a difference in the

812
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 8: way that like child actors act. Now it seems like

813
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 8: people look at acting and studying acting differently, so we

814
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 8: are like, how do you get it to where like

815
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 8: the child actor understands the joke and like you are

816
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 8: embracing the humor or like the spirit of the humor

817
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 8: without having to be like this is how you say it.

818
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, you empower them, I mean you, you you you

819
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 6: support them and you empower them to take risks, and

820
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 6: it will always be better, like, it will always be

821
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 6: better if if an actor gets to make it their own,

822
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 6: no matter how young they are, if they get to

823
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 6: you know. And the reality is, even if you have

824
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 6: the perfect line reading in your in your mind a

825
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 6: rhythm that a joke probably is best delivered in, you

826
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 6: can wait all week and do that. When the cameras

827
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 6: are rolling, just be like, oh, by the way, for

828
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 6: this next take, try it this way, or I want

829
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 6: to hear it this way, just once for me, because

830
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 6: this is the way I wrote it. You can do

831
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: that respectfully and and and and still empower people to feel,

832
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 6: you know, because the result is actors make less choices

833
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: when they feel that they're going to make the wrong

834
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 6: choice and be told that they're they did they did

835
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: a bad performance, and they did the wrong thing, and

836
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: they the point, and why didn't you read it this way?

837
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 6: That's the way, the only way that this works. It's

838
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 6: my way, and you have to say it just like this.

839
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 6: Eventually you're gonna have actors who just show up and

840
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 6: say tell me how to do it, which is what

841
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 6: happened to me. I mean, you know when I left,

842
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 6: by the time I left Boyban's world, that was that

843
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 6: was a kind of actor. I was kind of proud

844
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 6: of that. I was like, hey, just tell me what

845
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 6: to do. I'll do it, you know, like basically I'm

846
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 6: an instrument. Use me and I'll just you know. And

847
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 6: what that meant was that I wasn't creative on my own.

848
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 6: I wasn't making my own choices, which as an adult

849
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 6: actor I can be like, oh my god, that's like

850
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 6: that's what makes a great actor is when you know,

851
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 6: especially as a director or writer, when you're opposite somebody

852
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 6: who's bringing their own energy the way that like I

853
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 6: think will brought all the time, like we'll always have this,

854
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 6: you know, and and I think, but you know, for

855
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 6: for the rest of us, it was I felt beat down,

856
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 6: you know, like by the end of the boy.

857
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 9: As an actor, it truly is a bad decision is

858
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 9: better than no decision at all, right, you know, and

859
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 9: and you know, again I've talked about this. I had

860
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 9: a different relationship with Michael, A slightly different relationship with Michael.

861
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 9: But Michael is very very family oriented. So in his mind,

862
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 9: especially Danielle ryder Ben, those were his kids. That's how

863
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 9: he looked at it. These are my children. And so

864
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 9: I think it came it came from a place and

865
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 9: again I'm not trying to speak for Michael. I do

866
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 9: not know, but I think it came from a place

867
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 9: of he genuinely believed, he thought he was doing the

868
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 9: right thing for them and their careers. I think it

869
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 9: came from a place of now, if you do it

870
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 9: this way, you're gonna get the laugh, You're gonna understand

871
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 9: the laugh, and people are gonna like you more, and

872
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 9: your career is going to be better. Like that's where

873
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 9: Michael was coming from. Again, not the best way to

874
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 9: handle young actors or children at all. And it's funny

875
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 9: because you were talking about the differences in how child

876
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Speaker 9: acting has changed Shameless Plug. But other podcasts I do,

877
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 9: Magical Rewind. We just interviewed Christopher Knight, who played Peter Brady,

878
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 9: on The Brady Bunch, and I asked him, I was like, well,

879
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 9: was it like being a child actor in the seventies

880
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 9: and sixties and seventies is like, Oh, we didn't exist.

881
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 9: He's like, we didn't have dressing rooms, they didn't give

882
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 9: us parking spots. They didn't care if we were the

883
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 9: ones who signed our contracts. We did not matter. We

884
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 9: were there to say the lines the way we were

885
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 9: supposed to say the lines, and we were supposed to

886
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 9: be We're still from an age where children are supposed

887
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 9: to be seen and not heard. And that He's like,

888
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 9: that was how it was as an actor too, to

889
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 9: the point where he said he didn't even audition with

890
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 9: lines for The Brady Bunch. He said, I sat down

891
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 9: at the desk with the guy with Sherwood Schwartz who

892
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 9: created the show, and he put some toys on the

893
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 9: table in front of me, and we started playing and

894
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 9: I walked out and I had the part, Like it.

895
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 5: Wasn't even about acting.

896
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 9: So we see the changes of how they're they're coming.

897
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 9: And now obviously you get child actors that come out

898
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 9: that are multi talented.

899
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 5: You get a Sabrina Carpenter.

900
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 6: Who I think, yeah, child acting has gotten so much

901
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 6: better in general.

902
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly who I think.

903
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, your average child actor now is like so much different,

904
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 6: so much better.

905
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 9: Because it's getting better all the time. It's getting better

906
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 9: all the time. We were right in the middle there

907
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 9: where we weren't the seventies and eighties kids were. Thankfully,

908
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 9: it seemed like the days of robbing the liquor stores

909
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 9: and really having terrible times and serious, horrible drug app

910
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 9: problems were it did happen. We're slowly starting to decrease,

911
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 9: and now I think it's even better than it was.

912
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 9: But it's you know, it's a process all the way through.

913
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 9: And Michael was in the cusp of being one of

914
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 9: those producers from back in the day and one of

915
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 9: those producers now.

916
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was a strange dynamic, especially for these three.

917
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny that you say that.

918
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 8: It reminds me of I don't know if you saw

919
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 8: Andrew McCarthy's documentary.

920
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 7: Brats, but he talks about how like in.

921
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 8: The nineteen eighties, late nineties, like young Hollywood is a

922
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 8: new thing, like the idea that like the child or

923
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 8: the teen could be the start or new So you

924
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 8: like you're giving contacts that like, oh, the nineties is

925
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 8: this transition period of like admitting that children can And

926
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 8: so I guess they obviously weren't going to get it

927
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 8: right on the first go around, and it's good to

928
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 8: hear that, like it's changing now and that like actors

929
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 8: have different child actors have a better chance at like

930
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 8: the craft. But to that, I want to say, you

931
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 8: already got your praises from the cast. But we also

932
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 8: watched Eric Hollywood, and in that episode we were like,

933
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 8: Will can do anything, And I just think that it's

934
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 8: important because knowing that you know what your experience was

935
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 8: in acting, we want to reaffirm that, like you could

936
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 8: do anything, like the.

937
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 7: Talent that you have, like the I think in that.

938
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 8: Same episode you made like an occidental joke and like

939
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 8: I'm for five minutes.

940
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 7: Straight because I'm like, that's all the top of its head.

941
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 8: But like the ability to like then witch into drama

942
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 8: is amazing, And so I think what we want more

943
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 8: than anything is for the Wills of the future to

944
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 8: like know that they can, you know, do anything and

945
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 8: like not feel trapped by the system.

946
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 9: Well that's very sweet, and I will say, yes, it

947
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 9: was that was a that was a tough week for me.

948
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 9: But for the most part, unlike Writer and Danielle and Ben,

949
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 9: Michael gave me a lot of freedom. He really did,

950
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 9: which is which is was why it was sometimes so

951
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 9: strange to see how different it was with with writer,

952
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 9: Ben and Danielle. And it's also because they were carrying

953
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 9: the show. I mean they were, you know, at least

954
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 9: they you know, at least we thought they were. And

955
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 9: now we look back in it and it really was

956
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 9: rider show. But it was you know, writer was carrying

957
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 9: a lot of it.

958
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: And the character you were changing.

959
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 6: I think a lot of it is too just age.

960
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 6: You know, you just came in older, and I think

961
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 6: that there was less pressure on the character of Eric

962
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 6: to be a certain thing, so there was you got

963
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: to define it, and they, you know, Michael saw you

964
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 6: discover it and then followed where you were going as

965
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: an actor, which is the way ideally it should go, right,

966
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 6: is that you get a cast and then you start working.

967
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 6: And I think for me he did the same thing.

968
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: It was just towards this dramatic, less comedic side, which

969
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 6: you know, I think he saw that I could do

970
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 6: and kept kept you know, writing towards, which I thought

971
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 6: was cool in a lot of ways. But yeah, I

972
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 6: think especially when it came to comedy, like I feel

973
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: like I gave up after season four. You know, it's

974
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 6: just like I just don't even try to make jokes.

975
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 6: I don't even try to be funny. I'm just like

976
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: kind of half asking any of the comedy stuff, taking

977
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 6: the drama seriously. But I and I think that's in part,

978
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 6: you know, because when I watched those first three or

979
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 6: four seasons, I was like, oh, I was actually funny

980
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 6: at times, like I couldn't do very but but but

981
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 6: don't you feel like by the by the end of

982
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 6: the show, like we all sort of Writer doesn't do comedy.

983
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 6: Writer is not a comedy guy, which is strange because

984
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 6: you're yeah, weird, Yeah I should have I don't know.

985
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: You got the brunt of the Dawson's Creek.

986
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 7: Push is a problem.

987
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 5: You You became the star of our Dawson's Creek, and

988
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 5: that was how they went.

989
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, you had the hair, so and you had the

990
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 9: and you were in all the teen magazines and you

991
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 9: were the kid.

992
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 6: So because I should have been on Dawson's Creek, let's

993
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 6: just be Dawson's Creek.

994
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 9: You just didn't want to wait rider, I don't run away.

995
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So this actually transitions a little bit into my

996
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: next question, which is, you know, we talked about Eric Hollywood,

997
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: which you guys loved, we actually felt differently about, Like.

998
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 7: There's so many episodes this season where we were like

999
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 7: is this canon or not?

1000
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: Like did the Salem Cats show up or not? Like

1001
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: where are we? And and like the Cannon aspect. And

1002
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: I guess, like you guys do a lot of experimental episodes.

1003
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: What makes an experimental episode like and then the Rashan

1004
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: or like Eric Holly would work and what makes it

1005
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: not work? And you know what kind of experimental episodes

1006
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: do you think would have fit into the show. Do

1007
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: you think you should have done like a real hardcore

1008
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: Dawson's Creek parody episode, or what other episodes are themes

1009
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: do you think you could have played with?

1010
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 9: I personally think they work. That's that's how I even

1011
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 9: wanted to do. No, No, that one didn't work. You're right,

1012
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 9: I know that one, But that's a that was a

1013
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 9: forced episode.

1014
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 5: Had to do that because of this Salem Witch.

1015
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 6: Salem Witch worked for you? That yes, that totally worths Witches.

1016
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 9: It was such a funny and but one of the

1017
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 9: reasons is because you were so funny in that one rider.

1018
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 9: You were hysterical and like, hey I'm here with the coven, like,

1019
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 9: oh god, it was great.

1020
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's I.

1021
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 6: Think it's best when when when it's clear what we're

1022
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 6: parody parodid, you know, like I think like and then

1023
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 6: there were Sean, It's like it's set up, we're doing

1024
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 6: this genre thing with the World War two one. I'm like,

1025
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 6: are we making fun of World War two movies? I

1026
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 6: think we're you know, And they were trying to do

1027
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 6: this like dramatic mellow you know, to Panga Cory thing,

1028
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 6: but that just didn't connect. I wanted it to be

1029
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 6: like referencing specific things. So I think, like, don't we

1030
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 6: do a Casablanca episode down the line, Like I think

1031
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 6: something like that is better than just like completely unhinged.

1032
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 6: And I think even Eric Hollywood had a focus of

1033
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: we're making fun of ourselves and that it's like it's

1034
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 6: like the audience is invited in to know what the

1035
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 6: absurdity is sort of about. So yeah, I would say

1036
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 6: that that like if you know, and I think like

1037
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 6: the nineteen fifties episode did work for me, mostly because

1038
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 6: I didn't know Happy Days. I didn't get the I

1039
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 6: don't get why these guys are walking in and asking

1040
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 6: about Potzy or what. I don't even know what any

1041
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 6: of that was. That's right, but you know that's where

1042
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 6: I go like, what are we referencing? So I think

1043
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 6: the more you're clear, like what what it is that

1044
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 6: we are making fun of, or what what heightened world

1045
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: we're entering, I think it's fine to do it, but

1046
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: we just sometimes had a little muddled entry into those

1047
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 6: those worlds.

1048
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: I think some of what we're missing though, is that

1049
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: it worked at the time on the night when you

1050
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: were watching all four shows you normally watch from eight

1051
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: to ten participate in the same thing.

1052
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: When you watch them out of that.

1053
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: Situation thirty years later and you're like, what, why would

1054
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: they do this episode? But if you think about the

1055
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: fact that they were not thinking about what's this episode

1056
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: going to be like thirty years from now, they're thinking

1057
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: it's going to be fun for everyone who tunes in

1058
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: to their normal ABC night and there going to see

1059
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: all four shows doing a slight crossover like Synergy is

1060
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: going to be. You know, it makes sense then, and

1061
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I think That's that's part of why it's harder to

1062
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: judge fairly now because I know we got that response

1063
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot when we were like, this makes no sense

1064
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: and people were like, listen, you have to put yourself

1065
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: in our shoes.

1066
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: When we tuned in.

1067
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: This was thrilling. It was great. Like even the Disney

1068
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: World episode. Yeah, they were like we loved these, the promos,

1069
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: the shows all going there, and we were like, right,

1070
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: it would have felt different in nineteen ninety six.

1071
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 6: Go hang Out with Dolphins, Yes, can't wait to just

1072
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 6: get to that tank after that much.

1073
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: Training exactly put in that much effort.

1074
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 5: But no, it is you can't.

1075
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 9: It's these these episodes have a difficult time existing in

1076
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 9: a vacuum, and I still believe that the personally. I

1077
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 9: think the reason that and then there were Seawan worked

1078
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 9: so well is because we were just making each other laugh.

1079
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 9: That's why we were That's was our audience that week

1080
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 9: was each other.

1081
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 5: And to me, that shows, and.

1082
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 8: It does show on camera whenever, like like there's just

1083
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 8: like a chemistry or like something that comes through on camera.

1084
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 8: But it's very clear that like you all feel comfortable.

1085
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 8: You talk very often about like the director made you

1086
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 8: feel comfortable, like and it.

1087
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 7: Just comes through and it's great to see. Yeah.

1088
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 8: And then Danielle to your point, one of the things

1089
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 8: that Tony and I talked about was, even with the

1090
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 8: mellow drama, like the fact that it gets very soap

1091
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 8: operay or it gets serious, I'm not gonna lie for

1092
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 8: the audience and for us at the time, being the

1093
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 8: age or like slightly younger than the age of these characters,

1094
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 8: there was nothing more important than the Lauren story arc.

1095
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 8: There was nothing more engaging than Corey and Tapanga getting engaged.

1096
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 8: Like I will admit, like in a vacuum thirty years

1097
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 8: later you're like, what are you doing? But the time

1098
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 8: that we were there, nothing else could have been more

1099
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 8: important to our totally Yeah.

1100
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Well, and we did talk about that a little bit,

1101
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: that that some of what maybe people loved so much

1102
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: about the show is that the inner feelings and monologues

1103
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: and stories teenagers were feeling but not expressing. They were

1104
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: watching teenagers express them and getting to live out a

1105
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: bit of a fantasy of like, oh, this is a

1106
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: couple who is saying the things out loud that I'm

1107
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: not saying.

1108
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: My boyfriend love, our love is true love. Are we

1109
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 4: gonna spend forever together? What kind of a house do

1110
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: you want to live in? How many children do you

1111
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: want to have? I have those racing, hormonal thoughts.

1112
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying them because I know that that feels

1113
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: kind of crazy at sixteen, But watching them do it,

1114
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm going, yes, look at it.

1115
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: It's working.

1116
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna do the things I'm dreaming about, And so

1117
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: maybe that is part of what was so engrossing about it.

1118
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 4: Do you guys?

1119
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember hearing about there being the voting

1120
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: at the time, about voting whether or not Corey and

1121
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: Tepega should get married.

1122
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 7: We found the website?

1123
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Is it the website of voting about whether or not

1124
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: they should get married?

1125
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 4: Or is it of a wedding web s?

1126
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: We found the wedding website website?

1127
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 7: Didn't someone?

1128
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 8: I feel like one of our listeners sent us like

1129
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 8: there was like a whether a poll a poll or

1130
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 8: like a print out or something in TV guide where

1131
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 8: it was like call and let us know, ye, But

1132
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 8: I did not. I can't remember at the time, but

1133
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 8: I do remember that like Boy meets World appointment television,

1134
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 8: what's going to happen? Like I that is so vividly

1135
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 8: like inside me of like that finale, in those finalis

1136
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 8: and the proposal in general.

1137
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: Would voted what would you have vote? What would you

1138
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 5: have voted? Would you have voted to get married? Would

1139
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: you vote they wouldn't go.

1140
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 8: As a child or sorry, as a tween? They are

1141
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 8: getting married, and I understand why that happened as someone

1142
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 8: who is older. And this is actually like one of

1143
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 8: the things that with the proposal and every and the

1144
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 8: breakup story arc, we kind of agree with you on

1145
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 8: and we want to know, like, what do you think

1146
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 8: the show could have done to like show the relationship

1147
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 8: ups and downs that we have, like the breakup story art,

1148
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 8: and make it work in a healthy way. Because while

1149
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 8: I still think that it's great that they break up,

1150
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 8: or even that as we talked about the idea that

1151
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 8: they are faded to be together and she proposes, that's

1152
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 8: fine as long as you explore what went wrong and

1153
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 8: you actually show the conversation of like, hey, this is

1154
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 8: what we broke up about, this is why we broke up,

1155
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 8: this is why we were deciding to get back together,

1156
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 8: Like you know, those things actually really influence as a

1157
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 8: mature person watching the exact same.

1158
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 10: Storyline yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I just think the

1159
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 10: love as faith like logic is just really self serving,

1160
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 10: you know, and so and it reduces, it removes any

1161
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 10: conflict resolution that might have been productive.

1162
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: Right because the idea of like Corey did a bad

1163
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 6: thing and then Topanga, you know, maybe trapped him, you know,

1164
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 6: all the things that they do to each other. If

1165
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 6: you actually look at it, you're like, yeah, this is

1166
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 6: kind of the stuff. But the but the fix, the

1167
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 6: solution is always but we're destined and I have to

1168
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 6: just have faith in this and I have to overlook

1169
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 6: my partner's flaws and my flaws in the name of

1170
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 6: this you know love, which is just pure faith and

1171
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 6: that you know, to me, that is that's the danger, right, Like,

1172
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 6: because you could very easily say all the things, according

1173
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 6: to Banka, say about a truly abusive relationship, a stalking

1174
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 6: abusive relationship could be the arguments for why they should

1175
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 6: be together would be exactly the same, and that that

1176
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 6: makes it a pretty bad argument.

1177
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: In mind, and it and it gives you a real

1178
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: easy out to not have to develop attributes about the

1179
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: other people. Like We've talked multiple times about how Tapanga

1180
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: has said early on in the show. There were there

1181
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: were things about we're in a rut. They used to

1182
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: have those discussions, we're in a rut, we're not having

1183
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: fun together anymore. Then that conversation completely stopped and we

1184
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: no longer knew what even what does We had a

1185
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: whole discussion what does Topanga find attractive about Corey?

1186
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 4: What the things?

1187
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: Why does she love him so much? She never names them?

1188
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: She mentions that he's cute. She often mention She mentions

1189
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: that he's cute, that he's sexy, little Corey.

1190
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 4: Like, we get that Tapanga is physically.

1191
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: Attracted to Corey, and we also commented, but so is

1192
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: every woman who comes onto the show. Tapanga is irresistible.

1193
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Corey is irresistible to females. But there's never anything that's like.

1194
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: He challenges me, he pushes me, he encourages me, he

1195
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: supports me, he loves me. He's so funny. His journalistic experience, Yes,

1196
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: what we never We don't ever know what those things are.

1197
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: And truly I don't know that Corey.

1198
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: There's we have the jelly bean scene, but even in

1199
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: that jelly bean scene, there's no specifics. There's I can

1200
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: talk to Tapanga about anything. What if you Actually, if

1201
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: we had developed their relationship enough, and I think writer

1202
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: is the one who made this point, if we had

1203
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: developed their relationship enough by showing us exactly who those

1204
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: two people were and what they meant to each other,

1205
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: we would have very specific things to mention, like that

1206
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: time Topanga and I discussed this and she told me

1207
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: and that took a light bulb on and I had

1208
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: never thought of that, and like, but we didn't have

1209
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: any of those.

1210
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: It was just monkey bars.

1211
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: One of the biggest things that we felt was overlooked

1212
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: at this season was the fact that Tapanga is clearly

1213
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: afraid to be a small fish in a big pond,

1214
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: and that's never really addressed. That could have been a

1215
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: great way for Corey to support her in the graduation episode,

1216
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: but like, no one ever challenges I mean, I guess

1217
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: we'll go into season six and we'll learn more about this,

1218
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: but no one really challenges to Panga on why she

1219
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: doesn't want to go to Yale. It's seemingly for Corey,

1220
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: but it's not. Actually when you think about it, you say, she.

1221
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to be a small fish in a big pond,

1222
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: and yet that is probably something I'll pick up on

1223
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: in season six, based on what I've heard, because there's zero,

1224
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, zero hinting of that.

1225
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 6: Oh well, she said, you said in the scene with

1226
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 6: PHOENI I'm scared that then I have to be somebody

1227
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 6: who goes to Yale. Remember there is an imposter scenery speech.

1228
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 4: No, it's about my speech about.

1229
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: But now it's a speech that because he says your

1230
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 1: speech is going to be fine, give yourself a break,

1231
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: and I say yeah, but now it's a speech by

1232
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: someone who's going to Yale, which means fine isn't going

1233
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: to be enough. So that's about my speech in high school,

1234
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: and now I have there is zero hinting. As a

1235
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the minute Corey says two different times

1236
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: in the in the in the Things Change episode, I

1237
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: think is the first time he maybe says and to

1238
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Pang is going to go to Yale, and you see

1239
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: my face go hmm okay. But definitely in the graduation episode.

1240
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: The way it comes across to me is the minute

1241
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: she is convinced he really does he really does support

1242
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: her going, she gets lighter and she goes, wow, thanks Corey,

1243
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel so good knowing you support me doing

1244
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: this and that and the only it appears that the

1245
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: only thing weighing her down is the idea that she

1246
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: doesn't want to disappoint Corey, and once that's taken away,

1247
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: she brightens up.

1248
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 4: Now I did mention in the.

1249
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: Graduation episode, It's possible what I'm seeing is her actually thinking, Wow,

1250
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: he passed a test. Him supporting me was what I

1251
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: wanted to see. Will he support me even though it's

1252
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: not what's best for him? And when he does, I go,

1253
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: that's the kind of man I'm willing to give everything

1254
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: up for. And so I don't know, But all I

1255
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: know is that what I what I see happen in

1256
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: front of me is that she brightens up like Wow,

1257
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: thank you. And it to me, seeing just the graduation

1258
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: episode and not season six, yet, I think that's a

1259
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: woman who wants to go to Yale.

1260
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 7: Do you think Corey Topenga.

1261
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't think Corey listens to tapegaever, And so to me,

1262
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: the answer is no, if you don't listen to the

1263
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: person you are with, ever, no, And and you know

1264
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: we've we've often joked about the fact that he is

1265
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: a very hard time staying faithful to her when she's

1266
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: ever not in the same room. No, I don't necessarily think.

1267
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he he knows Tapanga. I don't think

1268
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: he listens to her. I don't think he knows her.

1269
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 5: And no, no, we don't know who Tapanga is.

1270
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: So correct.

1271
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of hard to fault him for that. Yeh.

1272
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 9: And he spent all night listening to another woman. I

1273
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 9: mean that was the whole crux of the episode, is

1274
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 9: that they really talked and got to know each other,

1275
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 9: and you know, yeah, it was. It's so it's kind

1276
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 9: of sad to go back and watch it a little bit,

1277
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 9: which is the thing, because you do when you are younger.

1278
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 9: I have to imagine and I'm sure I was seventeen

1279
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 9: when it started, but when you are twelve thirteen, in

1280
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 9: your watch it, it does probably seem like it's fate

1281
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 9: and they're supposed to be to get it. And it

1282
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 9: almost is kind of an interesting look at the dynamics

1283
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 9: between childhood love quote unquote. And I would never say

1284
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 9: real love, because you are really in love when you're

1285
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 9: twelve or thirteen.

1286
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 7: It might be an.

1287
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 9: Adolescent love, but it's a real love that needs to

1288
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 9: be respected compared to an adult love that also comes

1289
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 9: with responsibility and so it looks like it's almost healthy

1290
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 9: when you're twelve or thirteen, but looking back at it

1291
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 9: now that I'm forty eight, I'm looking kind of going like, wow,

1292
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 9: this is this is not a good relationship at least

1293
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 9: at this point. This is not a good relationship. And

1294
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 9: it really hit me during the Heartbreak Corey episode because

1295
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 9: it was like, Wow, I should not instantly be rooting

1296
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 9: for Corey to be with Lauren. And if Corey and

1297
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 9: Tapango were a strong couple that we've got really gotten

1298
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 9: to know and really gotten.

1299
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 5: To see how much they were in love, I wouldn't instantly.

1300
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 9: Be going, Huh, Corey might have something here with this

1301
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 9: Lauren character. So it really made me kind of look

1302
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 9: at the whole thing differently. And I don't know what

1303
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 9: happens in six and seven. I can't wait to Maybe

1304
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 9: it does get deeper.

1305
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 6: In, but it goes to show if you think about

1306
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 6: when to Pang is first introduced, right, the idea is

1307
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 6: that she is this very developed character, this very unique,

1308
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 6: interesting person, the same way that even I mean, she's

1309
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 6: not as extreme, But Lauren is given a character to

1310
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 6: seduce Corey for so Corey is going to fall in

1311
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 6: love with a very interesting character. But the second that

1312
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 6: character actually joins the cast becomes a regular No, we're

1313
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 6: gonna you know, she's going to become a two dimensional

1314
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 6: sort of stand in for femininity, like you know.

1315
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 9: But at least when we first met Lauren, she had

1316
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 9: a full character. When we met to Pangas, she had

1317
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 9: a full character. When we meet Ricky, they's nothing. So

1318
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 9: that's what I mean. It's like, well when whenst just

1319
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 9: dum like.

1320
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 7: It doesn't It's just like.

1321
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 5: Lauren was so real.

1322
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 9: That's what I loved about Lauren and Corey is was

1323
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 9: so real, where Ricky was like a cartoon character.

1324
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 5: And it was once again, what is to Panga see

1325
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 5: in him?

1326
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 9: Much like I say what is to Pangasy and Corey, Like,

1327
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,959
Speaker 9: you know, I would love to have you meet Topanga's guy.

1328
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 9: You want to you want to see that at some point,

1329
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 9: and you never just never did.

1330
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 8: So it's so funny that you say that because I

1331
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 8: remember you asked, like, what was the influence of seeing

1332
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 8: Corey in Tapanga as children and then growing up with

1333
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 8: this idea of like this is love? And I think

1334
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 8: that that's kind of like what I always come back

1335
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 8: is like when we grew up, we watched this as

1336
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 8: a template like it was boy Mes World was the

1337
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 8: show that taught you about life while also entertaining you.

1338
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 8: And so to watch this, I know Tony himself has

1339
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 8: like confessed he marked a lot of like life goals

1340
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 8: or like relationship norms based on the behavior of Koreyan

1341
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 8: to Panga, and so that, Yeah, geez, it is important

1342
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 8: to just kind of know the weight of these actions,

1343
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 8: which is why I agree. I would have loved to

1344
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 8: see like Cory date Lauren and actually see, you know

1345
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 8: what what habits that he has with Tipanga kind of

1346
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 8: transfer over. And he's been like, oh, maybe I'm the problem.

1347
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 8: Maybe there are things that I need to work on

1348
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 8: for Tapanga to date Ricky even and see where that goes.

1349
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 8: And I think you have talked about it before, but

1350
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 8: like maybe if we like shuffle the episodes a little

1351
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 8: bit even, it makes little bit more sense. Yeah, just

1352
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 8: time wise and give us that breath of like actually

1353
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,479
Speaker 8: having that breakup mean something and having them come back

1354
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 8: as two characters who've grown.

1355
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 5: Ross and Rachel were apart for like six seasons.

1356
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 9: That's what made it so amazing, is oh my god,

1357
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 9: are were gonna get another Ross, Rachel arc what's happening here?

1358
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 9: Oh my god, she's dating Joey. Now, how's that gonna affect?

1359
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 9: There was so much that they could mine from that

1360
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 9: that they just well, no, two episodes they're not together,

1361
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 9: and now they're together again.

1362
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, see this is what we mean. Season

1363
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: five is divisive.

1364
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 7: Really quickly.

1365
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 8: We had the when we were talking about Lauren, one

1366
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 8: of like the spin off ideas we had was like,

1367
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 8: Lauren sees these Like one of the reasons why we

1368
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 8: felt Lauren was so comfortable with hitting on Corey is

1369
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 8: she works at this place, she has schools coming in

1370
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 8: and out all the time. She's guys like, you know,

1371
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 8: with their high school loves. So we were like, this

1372
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 8: idea of Lauren just like in the cabin and watching

1373
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 8: the Men of the Week, or like having her have

1374
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 8: to do with all these other stuff is a great

1375
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 8: little spinoff idea.

1376
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 7: That we.

1377
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: People Lauren could fall the cute bunny, this cute ski

1378
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: Bunny and all the people she falls in love with.

1379
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 5: Ski Bunny nights.

1380
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: As I'm sure you guys can tell, we can talk

1381
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: to you for hours.

1382
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: Sure, So what are some of the.

1383
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Vital questions you want to ask us as we round

1384
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: out season five today.

1385
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: You know, we've hit on a lot of them already.

1386
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, I guess as the show kind of progresses

1387
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: into the later seasons, we've noticed that your memories are

1388
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: becoming more vivid about what was happening behind the scenes

1389
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 3: or what was going on, Like, do you find season

1390
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 3: five and probably going forward, is it more difficult to

1391
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: separate you're on your personal experiences on set from the

1392
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: characters that you're watching. It felt like in seasons one

1393
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: and two, you guys were a little bit more disconnected

1394
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: and you were able to just watch it as a show,

1395
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: whereas now it feels maybe more difficult.

1396
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 7: To do that.

1397
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's funny. I hadn't quite thought about it that way.

1398
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 9: You Know what I'm noticing as the older I get

1399
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 9: on the show is the more I remember what was

1400
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 9: going on in my personal life at the time as

1401
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 9: opposed to what was actually going on in the set.

1402
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 9: And then occasionally an episode will pop up where I'll remember, oh, yeah,

1403
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 9: this week, what But normally I'm watching now and like,

1404
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 9: you know, the necklace I'm wearing or something that's happening.

1405
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 9: I'm then going into what was happening in my real life,

1406
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 9: and that I'm remembering more than anything else.

1407
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 6: That's so that's exactly the way I feel like thinking

1408
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 6: about those The first season is I remember so many

1409
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 6: lines and so many like the blocking and shooting, And

1410
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 6: I think what that was is that it felt like

1411
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 6: having the job of being on a TV show, Like

1412
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 6: the show was this established thing and there were authority

1413
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 6: figures who knew what they were doing and we were

1414
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 6: sort of lucky to be there and excited and like

1415
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 6: the job itself was so cool. Yeah, by fifth season,

1416
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 6: all I cared about was I had midterms, I had,

1417
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 6: I was in college, I was dating. I was like

1418
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 6: my I like nothing about boring betore. And at that point,

1419
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 6: I also think I had seen behind the curtain a

1420
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 6: little bit and realized, like, these adults don't have any

1421
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 6: more authority over the show than I do. Really like

1422
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 6: I'm a big part of this, So I didn't feel

1423
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 6: that sense of like, oh, I have to show up

1424
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 6: to do my job. It was like, no, no, we're

1425
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 6: all in this together as a team, and that's a

1426
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 6: different approach. And so I actually I actually remember on

1427
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 6: set less, but I do remember my personal life more.

1428
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 6: Actually that's not true. I remember being on set, but

1429
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 6: for the behind the scenes conversations in the fun greed

1430
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 6: the actual shooting, I'm like, what I you know, I

1431
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 6: was just not yeah, safe, so easy.

1432
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm exactly the same way I remember.

1433
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: I know now that like by the time we're at

1434
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, I'm almost about to be seventeen.

1435
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: Like when this episode aired, I've just turned seventeen, so

1436
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: I know. The last year of my life has been

1437
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: driving my own car, which I couldn't wait to do,

1438
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: leaving set to go eat lunch, which I also thought

1439
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: was the greatest thing ever. Like all of the I'm

1440
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: finally feeling more like an adult. Although I'm not an

1441
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: official adult, I'm very close and I'm feeling more adult like,

1442
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: and I'm being able to after work go to my

1443
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: boyfriend's house and just having a life out rather than

1444
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: as a twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old, my entire life

1445
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: felt like the show, and every moment was just waiting

1446
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: to go back to the show. Now I'm I have

1447
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: a thriving life outside of the show, and I remember

1448
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: being on set, but mostly because of like writer said,

1449
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: the ways our outside lives were tying into us being

1450
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: all there together.

1451
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 9: Well, it's just one of those things where and it's

1452
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 9: such a magical thing that we did, but it was

1453
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 9: our job. And after a while, when you're five years

1454
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 9: at a job, even if it's the most amazing job

1455
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 9: in the world, you're still just going to work that day.

1456
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 9: I'm going to work, So hey, what am I doing

1457
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 9: after work? What am I doing?

1458
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 10: Hey?

1459
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 9: When am I meeting up with my friends? When are

1460
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 9: we doing this? That becomes the crux of your day,

1461
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 9: not like what I did at work, and I again

1462
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 9: had the most amazing job in the world, but it

1463
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 9: was still.

1464
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 7: Just a job.

1465
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: We know, we can we can't talk to you guys

1466
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: all day, So I want to just quickly just like

1467
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: bang out some of your season five superlatives if possible,

1468
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: Can each of you tell me what your favorite and

1469
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: least favorite. I know we kind of know this for

1470
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 3: Will favorite and least favorite episodes of the season were.

1471
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 6: Raging, Corey favorite, Yeah, I loved it.

1472
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: Which one was.

1473
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 6: The airplane?

1474
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 7: Yes?

1475
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 6: The market?

1476
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 3: Great episodes? Yeah, great episodes. Do you think that's one

1477
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 3: of the better ones of the series? By the way,

1478
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: great so good?

1479
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 7: Great?

1480
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 1: And maybe I think writer thinks it's his favorite episode

1481
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: of the series.

1482
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely top five for me. So say, chick

1483
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 6: like me that those are, you know, some of the

1484
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 6: best episodes. Worst episode of the season, I guess is

1485
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 6: Starry Night. No, I really didn't like Brothers Man. I

1486
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 6: really don't started off with such a yeah, just yeah.

1487
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 6: And you know, I guess maybe a lot of that

1488
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 6: is my performance in it too.

1489
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1490
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: Also Fraternity Rowe. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1491
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: out on a limb and say, I think Fraternity Row

1492
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,959
Speaker 1: is maybe one of is maybe my uh.

1493
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 4: Least favorite of the season. I did.

1494
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: I did not love Starry Night the same way it's

1495
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: the same way a lot of.

1496
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 5: Other people do.

1497
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it's almost I couldn't possibly

1498
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: name it as my least favorite when I know how

1499
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: strongly Wilfredell feels about it. So I feel like I

1500
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: have to take something else, and so I think I'm

1501
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: gonna take Fraternity Row that that'd be.

1502
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: The beginning of season five was really rough for me.

1503
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: I just felt kind of like, are we gonna, Are

1504
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: we gonna get somewhere good?

1505
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 4: And we did. We ended up hitting a really nice ride.

1506
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 12: I think my.

1507
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: Favorite episode is Gosh, it's so hard because you know what,

1508
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: Storry Night. The one thing I will say, Storry Night

1509
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: is my favorite Angela showing she's so strong.

1510
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 4: Otherwise it would have just been I know.

1511
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 1: But I think my favorite episode is Heartbreak Corey. It's

1512
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's such a great episode. I love I

1513
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: love meeting the Lauren character. I love that it was

1514
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: Rusty's first episode. We have a lot of behind the

1515
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: scenes memories of it, so I think Rage and Corey

1516
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: is an incredible episode. But I think I'm going to

1517
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: say my favorite of the season is Heartbreak Corey.

1518
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 5: You know mine already.

1519
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 9: Yeah, Starry Night by far my least favorite, probably possibly

1520
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 9: of the entire series. There's the good ones this season

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01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 9: were great, so I mean for personal reasons. And then

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 9: there was Sean Is. It will always be just because

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 9: it was arguably my favorite week of work I've ever.

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 5: Had in my entire life. Yeah, it was just an

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 5: incredible week.

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 9: So for a personal reason that for as a television fan,

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 9: just watching Heartbreak Corey was great. As another week worth

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 9: of work that I was really proud of. I would

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 9: say Rage and Corey, so those were I mean, just

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 9: working with Rusty and jumping out of the plane and

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 9: doing all the fun stuff.

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 5: All that was a ton of fun. So yeah, so good.

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 3: We have a quick last minute like rapid fire of

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01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: some of the great debates that have happened in this season.

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01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 3: So if you can just quickly give us your thoughts

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01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 3: on some of these, we would love to just settle

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: the score. Finally, quick answers only, Quick answers only. Was

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 3: Louren wrong for pursuing Corey?

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 6: Yes, no, you're.

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 9: Going You're going Cory and Tapanga or Cory and Lauren

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 9: co l Lauren.

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 3: Lor Cory and Tapanga or Sean and Angela.

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 5: Sean and Angela Angela?

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: Did Topanga trap Coy?

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 1: Yes, no, no Trapanga.

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01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 6: Yes.

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: This might be a little bit hard to do a

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 3: rapid fire up. But at what point in the Ski

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: Lodge episode was Corey wrong?

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 9: The minuity lied, lied, lied, but maybe emotionally a little

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:04,919
Speaker 9: bit before the lie.

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 3: I get and you're just quickly Why didn't Tepenga go

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: to Yale.

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 5: To get to the other side?

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 7: Wait? I did that?

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: Rob to Pega didn't go to Yale from what I

1557
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: think out here right now, because she thinks she has

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: to choose between Corey and college, and she does not

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01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: want to lose Corey.

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01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 6: I seriously think that Corey guilts her and she feels

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 6: like she needs to make a sacrifice that is, in

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 6: her mind equivalent to the sacrifice that Corey is making

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 6: by allowing her to go to Yale. And I just

1564
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 6: that's such a false equivalency to me. But yeah, so

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 6: I think she's chopping off her own arm, you know,

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01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 6: so sort of like, I look how much I love you.

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 6: That's ridiculous.

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 9: I think that's what they're going for. But I think

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, it's just going to

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 9: be fear.

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 7: I love it.

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 8: I love like you guys hit on everything. Writer, you

1573
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 8: were like offended that we asked you if to choose

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01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 8: between Corey and Topega and Sean and Angela.

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 6: You were like, obbousana, that's so funny, all of those parents.

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 6: We chose the non Corey to Panga option.

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 8: So for season six, you guys are coming up on

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 8: season six, we have guests and let us know that

1579
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 8: we hope excited. Well don't know who you can get.

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 8: Will you be having maitland Ward, Bonnie, we get Tommy back,

1581
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 8: Nobody's Angels.

1582
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: Is what you can Nobody's Angels Reunion episode.

1583
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 6: We just saw Josh keaton sister. Yeah, we could probably

1584
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 6: get to his sister through through that. Yeah, that'd be great.

1585
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 7: And then also to Panga's first set of parents.

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01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: Our goal is always to get everybody that we see

1587
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the comments too of people who are like,

1588
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: get this person. I promise you there's no one you

1589
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: guys have suggested to us that we haven't asked who

1590
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: hasn't either already said no, or who we are still

1591
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 1: trying to work out scheduling stuff. There are season five

1592
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: guests Cherry Levine said, no.

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: Oh that's right.

1594
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to get Jennifer love Hewett.

1595
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 4: We've been trying to get Linda Cardellini.

1596
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: There are people we have definitely been trying and it's

1597
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: either a scheduling thing or you know, trying to get

1598
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: through some managers and publicists is sometimes you have to

1599
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: find a different, more creative way around. We will definitely,

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: assuming she still wants to come on, we will definitely

1601
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,879
Speaker 1: be extending the invitation to maitland Ward of course, and

1602
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: all those people you mentioned we would we would plan

1603
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: to have on.

1604
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 7: So yeah, love to hear that's the hope.

1605
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys so much for having us again.

1606
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: We had such a great time talking with you about

1607
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 3: season five. It was again like we knew the season

1608
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 3: was gonna save and we loved hearing the debates, having

1609
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 3: the debates with you guys, and of course it's just

1610
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 3: it's always a privilege to be brought on to to

1611
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: talk to you guys and ask you our questions.

1612
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 9: Okay, and rapid fire back to the two of you,

1613
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,839
Speaker 9: yes or no very quickly.

1614
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 5: Are we gonna like season six?

1615
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 3: No?

1616
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 7: No comment? Geez.

1617
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll say this for you, and this is just us.

1618
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 3: You guys have your own experience. When we did, like

1619
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: our series review, going season by season, season six ended

1620
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 3: up being our least favorite season. Okay, just because it's

1621
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 3: very dark.

1622
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 8: Okay, we lean into that melodramatic side that we were

1623
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 8: talking about earlier.

1624
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, we so appreciate you guys coming on at

1625
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: the end of every season and every single time we

1626
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: talk to you, you guys point something out to us

1627
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: that from a POV that we just haven't had and

1628
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: we appreciate it and value it so much. So thank

1629
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: you as always for coming to share your wisdom and

1630
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: your expertise and your opinions with us.

1631
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 4: We adore you both so much.

1632
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: We look forward to doing this again with you at

1633
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: the end of the Worst Season season.

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01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 4: Six, and we will see you then. Thank you both,

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 7: Bye.

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:00,960
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