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Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, is this uh Pickles?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh, you texted me and you said my furry friend
Speaker 1: group exploded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: Your furry friend group exploded, like, not literally, they combusted
Speaker 1: into feathers. They the interpersonal relationships amongst your furry friend
Speaker 1: group have have gone astray? Is that what I am
Speaker 1: to understand?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: So what happened? Was there some sort of inciting incident?
Speaker 2: Oh man, what a long story? Okay, well let's see
Speaker 2: where do we start. Me and my boyfriend had a
Speaker 2: friend group. Obviously we met one of We met a
Speaker 2: couple in the group maybe what five or six years ago,
Speaker 2: and we became really good friends with them. Long story short,
Speaker 2: it's been probably five or six years. At some point
Speaker 2: I joined the furry fandom because I thought it was interesting,
Speaker 2: thought it was cool. I was making suits, I had
Speaker 2: a social media and I kept everything hidden from them
Speaker 2: because I wasn't comfortable sharing it with them. And one
Speaker 2: of them actually found me.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the whole group kind of found out about it. Figured,
Speaker 2: you know, tell one to tell them all, and everyone
Speaker 2: was really cool with it, so they actually kind of
Speaker 2: got into the fandom.
Speaker 1: Ah, you converted them. Wait, that's Razzy, that's great. You
Speaker 1: were from your friends and little did you. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: You thought that they would make fun of you, but
Speaker 1: you converted them into furries.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, definitely one of the best outcomes I could
Speaker 2: have gotten for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so they joined, I helped them make their sonas,
Speaker 2: I helped make their suits, and then so uh we
Speaker 2: pretty much did that all last year. However, the group
Speaker 2: is two couples and another person kind of joined it,
Speaker 2: which is our neighbor.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was us two couples, and we also
Speaker 2: became friends with our our neighbor as well, who was
Speaker 2: he's just like a single guy was at home, so
Speaker 2: he joined the group as well. So our group is
Speaker 2: now like five pretty.
Speaker 1: Much, okay, And you helped everyone so everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we want to get into this too, and you were
Speaker 1: kind of like the guiding hand for everyone through all
Speaker 1: of this. So you helped everyone pick their for sonas
Speaker 1: or sonah for short. Yeah apparently, how I now, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm curious about this, Like, were you doing like a
Speaker 1: sorting hat kind of a thing where you asked them
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and then you were like, you
Speaker 1: are a turtle, you are a fox? Like how like
Speaker 1: if I came to you and I said, I want
Speaker 1: I want your help picking up for Sona. What how
Speaker 1: would you help me do that? What kind of questions
Speaker 1: would you ask me to help me build this profile
Speaker 1: of myself.
Speaker 2: I feel like a good place to start is always
Speaker 2: like your favorite color and your favorite animal. That's pretty
Speaker 2: much what I do.
Speaker 1: That's a whole lot. That's a total cop out, by
Speaker 1: the way. That's a total cop out, by the way,
Speaker 1: to just be like, what's your favorite animal? Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what you should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you if you like the animal,
Speaker 2: it's easier to kind of attach to it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I think I'm trying to overcomplicate this
Speaker 1: for no reason.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what I did. There's there's people that
Speaker 2: have like their own, you know, custom characters that have
Speaker 2: backstories and different personalities and stuff. But like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just I just wanted to be my favorite animal
Speaker 2: and colors.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, okay, so you help everyone make their
Speaker 1: for Sona, and then everyone's getting into it, the neighbor's
Speaker 1: getting into it, and then how did things all fall apart?
Speaker 2: Well, the around the middle of last year, we went
Speaker 2: to like a really big con and then for the
Speaker 2: time after that, it seems like the neighbor was uh
Speaker 2: starting to cross some boundaries. I guess I'll say he
Speaker 2: was getting really close with like myself and my friend's
Speaker 2: uh girlfriend. He would kind of come over to like
Speaker 2: our house, like I won't say uninvited, but like unannounced,
Speaker 2: and he would just kind of like show up. He
Speaker 2: was trying to hang out with us and was succeeding
Speaker 2: with the other person. I don't know, I just like
Speaker 2: more than like a normal friend in a group would
Speaker 2: with someone's girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Oh, he was already like one of the girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it seems that way in hindsight, but you know,
Speaker 2: over you know that period of months, you know, like
Speaker 2: red flags were kind of raised. Both the boyfriends would
Speaker 2: like talk to him and be like, hey, can you
Speaker 2: like step off? They would talk to their girlfriends and
Speaker 2: be like, hey, can you like also step off? But
Speaker 2: ultimately it came out a few weeks ago, I guess
Speaker 2: shortly after roughly I texted her before I texted you,
Speaker 2: and we just we got a message that was like,
Speaker 2: you know, this person's my ex now and they were
Speaker 2: cheating because they decided to check her phone and apparently
Speaker 2: it had been going on since that large canival last year,
Speaker 2: so the whole group just kind of exploded after that.
Speaker 2: So kind of where we're at.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're back to being a proverbial and literal
Speaker 1: lone wolf.
Speaker 2: Me, Me and my partner are still together. It was
Speaker 2: unfortunately the other you know group that we have met
Speaker 2: and you know, made a relationship with over time, but
Speaker 2: now obviously they're not together, and now uh one of
Speaker 2: them is going on like a you know, they're you know,
Speaker 2: dealing with everything. So I mean they're both dealing with everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, pretty much, Uh, we we lost pretty much
Speaker 2: the entire friend group. So we're just kind of with
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're I hear someone in the background. Is
Speaker 1: that you're you're uh your your s o?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: And are they also a free.
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: He supports me and it yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is his? What's his? Who's he? What's his persona?
Speaker 2: He is a purple wolf?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, what are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a purple tiger?
Speaker 1: You're a purple tiger. Was that a coincidence that you
Speaker 1: guys are both purple? Or is it like and you
Speaker 1: can only like the animals can only have sex with
Speaker 1: each other if they're the same color.
Speaker 2: Now, originally he started as a completely different species, but
Speaker 2: that's kind of when I was learning to make them,
Speaker 2: so it didn't turn out very good. And then he
Speaker 2: actually became in anubist like the Egyptian like dog god.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I actually you know what, I think that's cool?
Speaker 1: Is there like a hierarchy between Like some do the
Speaker 1: people who choose to be creatures that have mythological origins
Speaker 1: think they're better than the people who choose creatures that
Speaker 1: are bounded by reality.
Speaker 2: I think some might. We have seen there's another person
Speaker 2: that's in the Nubis as well, and he seems to
Speaker 2: have a different aura. He definitely has a I don't know,
Speaker 2: he has a different aura than us for sure. We
Speaker 2: just tryd of go to hang out and be silly.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I wait, actually, hold on, he
Speaker 1: has a different in what way? A different aura? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? Like he takes it more seriously?
Speaker 2: How do we describe the other new of this? He's
Speaker 2: just like in his like body language and how he
Speaker 2: like walks around. It's like slower.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 2: I guess maybe like confident could be a word, but like,
Speaker 2: you know, like he has like a presence more.
Speaker 1: Do you do? How into it do people get?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are there some people who genuinely start to believe that
Speaker 1: they are these animals?
Speaker 2: The ones that usually believe their animals are usually classified
Speaker 2: as theians. This is definitely yeah, Yeah, those are ones
Speaker 2: that like definitely identify like I am a wolf, I
Speaker 2: am a you know, links or whatever. They usually wear
Speaker 2: like the masks over like the entire suit.
Speaker 1: Okay, is a fairy And that's a word for like
Speaker 1: a person who genuinely literally believes and identifies themselves as
Speaker 1: an animal across all aspects of their life.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if that's like a perfect definition,
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's different people that are different like.
Speaker 3: Degreaves of it, but.
Speaker 2: Observations, Yeah, that's that's like my understanding of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've definitely met there's a oh, there's a there's a
Speaker 2: very large like spectrum of people in the in the
Speaker 2: furry fandom for sure, though in the years we've been
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: Interesting was like, okay, like what's the most hardcore into
Speaker 1: it a person gets?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I guess they would be.
Speaker 2: I would describe it as their life probably overtaken by
Speaker 2: the hobby in a way that's like all of like
Speaker 2: a hunt, Like a lot of their money goes into it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much like their life at that point. They're
Speaker 2: probably traveling to places they probably have like a dedicated
Speaker 2: social media or like multiple maybe even like Sonas. I guess,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't think uh yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that would be like my guess.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're talking today because this morning I
Speaker 1: was I was on Instagram reels. Tell me if this
Speaker 1: feels right to you. I was on Instagram reels and
Speaker 1: I got a reel of this guy in like a
Speaker 1: wolf first suit and he was going like, hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: this is a check in. Did you have your water today?
Speaker 1: Did you take your medication today? How are you guys feeling?
Speaker 1: I hope And he was being like very sincere and
Speaker 1: wearing this Furst suit and it like in twenty eleven
Speaker 1: a video like that. If you looked at the comments,
Speaker 1: all of the comments would be like this is cringe,
Speaker 1: this is lame, fuck this guy. But I swear to
Speaker 1: god all I was looking through the comments and there
Speaker 1: were lots of comments from like all people, from all
Speaker 1: walks of life just being like, you know what, thanks
Speaker 1: wolf man, appreciate you. This was very nice. You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like culturally because there's because like since since
Speaker 1: like twenty ten, like I guess when I assume that
Speaker 1: kind of furry culture was was like first introduced to
Speaker 1: the mainstream of existence. Since twenty ten, there's just there's
Speaker 1: so much like crazy stuff going on the world that
Speaker 1: like being like being quote unquote cringe is like not
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can be, now, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. There's so many people being like there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff out there that's like actively hostile and actively
Speaker 1: like fucked up that when you see a wolf guy
Speaker 1: telling you to like drink water, you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: thanks man. Like I feel like like like culture is
Speaker 1: like softened in like kind of a nice way, do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely like expanding in a
Speaker 2: lot more like acceptable now for sure.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, cause yeah, like with all these like I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's so much like crazy shit online that
Speaker 1: like you know, in a like in twenty ten, like
Speaker 1: a guy in a wolf suit would be like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's crazy but nowadays it's like, you know, fuck it,
Speaker 1: live your life. It's one of the ways in which
Speaker 1: I do think society is maybe healing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely, it's definitely like a jump, and
Speaker 2: it took like some time to get used to. I
Speaker 2: think even uh uh, like our our first time even
Speaker 2: trying to go to like a meet, like I was
Speaker 2: too scared to even just like get out of the
Speaker 2: cars and we just sat in the park. So it
Speaker 2: definitely took some time. But I think that's part of
Speaker 2: the fun, is, you know, learning to overcome that the
Speaker 2: community is super super supportive and accepting. I like the
Speaker 2: art a lot because there's so many creative people and characters.
Speaker 2: I don't I haven't had like a really terrible experience
Speaker 2: or anything, or like met anybody super malicious. It's been uh,
Speaker 2: it's been pretty chill, and I really like don.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Okay, now that your previous for a friend
Speaker 1: group has dissipated, are you considering joining or creating a
Speaker 1: new one? What's that looking like?
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, it's definitely been a big part of it
Speaker 2: because I can't help but sort of feel like I
Speaker 2: was maybe used in this to help them, like make
Speaker 2: their suits. One of them wasn't even like paid off
Speaker 2: all the way. But like, I don't really care about that.
Speaker 2: I just wanted, you know, my friends to have wanted
Speaker 2: to get into it.
Speaker 1: What you find, you find it. I'm sorry you financed
Speaker 1: some one of your friend's suits.
Speaker 2: Uh No, Like I I gave them like a row
Speaker 2: super reasonable like friend price and they didn't even pay that.
Speaker 1: Well, oh so you made it for them after?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made all of my friend suits.
Speaker 1: Really that those because I know that those fucking things,
Speaker 1: Like I know that those fucking things are expensive. It's
Speaker 1: like what like fifteen thousand dollars for like a good.
Speaker 2: One that's for like a crazy maker like that. That
Speaker 2: would be like the Gucci of suits most uh, I say,
Speaker 2: like an average like from a it's a really like
Speaker 2: wide range. You can get some really good stuff from
Speaker 2: smaller makers though, for I. So you could get like
Speaker 2: the pause head and tail for maybe around fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: pretty average.
Speaker 1: Damn. So you feel like they use you to create
Speaker 1: their first sewn as and then left you in the dust.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't. I truly don't think that was
Speaker 2: their like direct intention, but you know I can't help,
Speaker 2: but sort of feel that through you know, bringing them
Speaker 2: into this, like it kind of caused and led to that,
Speaker 2: and I guess encouraged it because we would constantly go
Speaker 2: to meets or there would be meats that that they
Speaker 2: would go to. I think from we just we finally
Speaker 2: went to like the first one this year, and I
Speaker 2: definitely felt better about it and kind of remembered why
Speaker 2: I like doing it and a lot of it's soualization.
Speaker 2: So you know, we met some new people, met some
Speaker 2: other people we knew, so that definitely made it feel better.
Speaker 2: But you know, it is just still that, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing. You know, it's going to take some
Speaker 2: time to just kind of let that in the past.
Speaker 2: I do also have my friend's suit still do so
Speaker 2: that yes, yes, as soon as that went down, I
Speaker 2: was keeping her suits at my house and so when
Speaker 2: that went down, obviously I was like, cool, don't come
Speaker 2: anywhere near me right now. So I kind of still
Speaker 2: have them, and at this point, I definitely feel like
Speaker 2: it's time to, I guess give them back. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like I wanted to keep them just to
Speaker 2: prevent them from being able to go to That's a
Speaker 2: preventor from kind of going to the cons and just
Speaker 2: you know, for lack of better words, ruining it or like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I think at this
Speaker 2: point I've reached at where I think I just need
Speaker 2: to like give it back to her and then just
Speaker 2: heal from there. So that's probably what I'm doing this week.
Speaker 1: Actually, did you have you ever tried it on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what is it? Okay, So when you wear a
Speaker 1: first suit that does not match up with your internal
Speaker 1: fort sona, how does that feel? It feels?
Speaker 2: It feels kind of weird, you know, especially like you know,
Speaker 2: you like you can't help but put you know, look
Speaker 2: in a mirror when you do it, and you're just like, Hm,
Speaker 2: I'm this person, but I'm not this person.
Speaker 1: What's the vibe like at these meets, these conventions.
Speaker 2: It's super chill. A lot of if you have a
Speaker 2: suit like you are going to get attention. A lot
Speaker 2: of people come up and you know, ask for pictures
Speaker 2: or they trade stickers and trinkets. It's I carry stickers
Speaker 2: on me all the time, and you know, you just
Speaker 2: kind of socialize and talk and stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: think one of the cool things about suiting is like
Speaker 2: if you went to a comic con, you might see
Speaker 2: somebody you know, dressed like Superman. You're like, oh cool,
Speaker 2: that's Superman. It's almost like inviting. And I think the
Speaker 2: furry fandom like you're just a character. Like you're not
Speaker 2: like some guy in a hoodie hiding in the corner.
Speaker 2: You're a cool purple dog in the corner, like yo,
Speaker 2: I love purple.
Speaker 3: What's up? Man?
Speaker 2: And it makes it, you know, really inviting to interact
Speaker 2: with people.
Speaker 1: Well, personally, I think wearing an animal costume is a
Speaker 1: bit bizarre and it's something I'd never even consider doing.
Speaker 3: Right, how DoD is it?
Speaker 1: That was a joke because I'm a gecko.
Speaker 3: I got to.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, how would it be? You know, it's no
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, I fully, I fully do get that.
Speaker 1: Like even like like I know, like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Even if I wasn't like like an internet
Speaker 1: guy or whatever, Like just being in a costume walking
Speaker 1: around it does make you feel like you're you're like, uh,
Speaker 1: go at getting outside of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really cool. I've never like been like
Speaker 2: a super girl like good at make up, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not like a supermodel by any means. But that's another
Speaker 2: cool part of the fandom too, is you just put
Speaker 2: the head on right, like you don't need to be
Speaker 2: like a super you don't need to be super attractive.
Speaker 2: You don't need you know what I mean. You kind
Speaker 2: of just put on some paws and a tail and poof,
Speaker 2: like it's fine.
Speaker 1: So what what do you think it would be like
Speaker 1: if I went as a gecko? Like, how do you think? Actually?
Speaker 1: I guess of all of all the Like, it's funny
Speaker 1: because I think of all the places where I would
Speaker 1: go to do my gecko thing, I feel like it
Speaker 1: wouldn't It wouldn't work there because the whole point of
Speaker 1: the gether thing is like I kind of stand out
Speaker 1: a little bit. That would be the only that would
Speaker 1: be one of the only places I could go to
Speaker 1: do it, where like I would actually blend in more
Speaker 1: I think, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think you would definitely blend in pretty
Speaker 2: good out of good?
Speaker 1: Is there a certain section just for scalies. I know
Speaker 1: that that's kind of its own subculture.
Speaker 2: It's pretty open to everyone. There's people that just do
Speaker 2: like normal cosplay. You know, we'll dress up as you know, whoever,
Speaker 2: only I'd say for every three people, really only one
Speaker 2: of them has a suit, So there's a lot of humans.
Speaker 2: It's uh, there's all sorts of different species. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's really like it's it's definitely an experience,
Speaker 2: not something you can really find at any other conventions.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. Okay, So before we go, what's next for you
Speaker 1: in your free pursuits? Is there Colm coming up? Is
Speaker 1: there a new fer sona you're exploring what is next
Speaker 1: on this adventure?
Speaker 2: Right now? We do have I think we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a one day con this weekend, and there's a large
Speaker 2: one coming up pretty much in the middle of uh
Speaker 2: and on the middle of in July. But for me,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of just you know, I'm continuing to focus
Speaker 2: on pretty much my little first use making business. I
Speaker 2: might make an Etsy, and I'm gonna just keep bringing
Speaker 2: you know, joy to people. I've made probably about what
Speaker 2: twenty suits and there's nothing better than you know, seeing
Speaker 2: somebody get their suit and you know love it. That's
Speaker 2: like the best feeling in the world. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing.
Speaker 1: Plug it up, pickles, what's the how do we how
Speaker 1: do we how do we get a first suit from you.
Speaker 1: I want to plug.
Speaker 2: I can share my Instagram handle if you want, and
Speaker 2: I hit it. It is Grape Underscore, the Underscore, Tiger.
Speaker 1: Grapes, the Tiger Funk. I wanna hold on. I gotta
Speaker 1: redownload Instagram. I wanna live look at this.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: I have a TikTok as well. But that's just it's.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do some banter while I wait for Instagram
Speaker 1: to download on five g Yeah, yeah, banter, yes, banter.
Speaker 1: Hold on, all right, it's a quarter quarter the way there,
Speaker 1: it's downloading. Let me think of a question to ask you.
Speaker 1: What's this convention that you're going to? What's what is
Speaker 1: what is the One Day Convention? What's it called?
Speaker 2: The One Day? One is an event in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: It's called Forget about It.
Speaker 1: Forget about it? All right, I'm looking all right, great,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look this up right now. Forget forget about it,
Speaker 1: forget about it. Twenty twenty six. Come hang up, come
Speaker 1: hang with us. In the eighties. This year it's it
Speaker 1: an eighties themed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year it is What the fuck is never really? Super?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not like I wouldn't anticipate walking into like
Speaker 2: an eighties scene or anything. But like some of the signage,
Speaker 2: might you know, have that on it? The dance probably
Speaker 2: have some music from there.
Speaker 1: I gotta come to one of these things at some
Speaker 1: point as the get go. I think that that would
Speaker 1: be pretty sweet. This these conventions, Oh, I love I
Speaker 1: love a con. I used to go to I mean,
Speaker 1: I love a con. I used to go to anime
Speaker 1: conventions when I was a kid. You know, going to
Speaker 1: VidCon and twitch Con is fun, Like I love, love,
Speaker 1: love love going to cons and festivals and ship okay,
Speaker 1: fucking Instagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: These are kind of my first experience with any sort
Speaker 2: of con and they've been They've been super cool. Some
Speaker 2: are better than others, for sure. But even if you
Speaker 2: just like show up and a lot of them are
Speaker 2: at like hotels and stuff, I mean, you're going to
Speaker 2: see tons of people and tons of characters.
Speaker 1: Oh there's so oh look at this. The timing of
Speaker 1: this convention overlaps a firm meat What gives We did
Speaker 1: not intend on these dates to overlap, but unfortunately it
Speaker 1: is the closest date available. It looks like it's okay,
Speaker 1: oh look at this. We do not wish to cause
Speaker 1: ten with the community and want to make it clear
Speaker 1: we are not in competition with any groups or events
Speaker 1: inside or outside of New Jersey. Is this is there
Speaker 1: some drama going on that the that the Forget about
Speaker 1: It convention is overlapping with a different fur convention.
Speaker 2: It probably is. The I'm not super knowledgeable about it,
Speaker 2: but I believe the New Jersey one split. So they
Speaker 2: have two different people or those two different like groups
Speaker 2: of people running two separate conventions. I think is they
Speaker 2: disagreed on some things, so they actually have them separate
Speaker 2: now damn. So they probably booked the booked on the
Speaker 2: same day.
Speaker 1: Look at this. This is NDO their Q and A.
Speaker 1: We do not care about clout, drama or status for
Speaker 1: anyone thinking differently. They are sorely mistaken, and the board
Speaker 1: would like to direct them to our point above about
Speaker 1: working together respect. Okay, all right, give me your give
Speaker 1: me your give me your thing one more time. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look into it.
Speaker 2: It's grapes, the tiger with underscores.
Speaker 1: As spaces, grape like grape jelly grapes.
Speaker 2: Like uh like the purple yep, like the purple food.
Speaker 1: I was not very tiger look at that. Commissions are closed?
Speaker 1: Are they closed?
Speaker 2: They're the commissions are closed, but they're like clothes are open.
Speaker 2: I kind of just have it closed so I don't
Speaker 2: get a ton of like a ton of people, but
Speaker 2: you can, you can feel free to hit me up.
Speaker 2: I've been pretty much giving people commissions. It's kind of
Speaker 2: I'm at a point where I can kind of at
Speaker 2: least choose which projects I work on. Cool, So I've
Speaker 2: been accepting some of the quotes that are sent to me.
Speaker 3: Dude, look at this, or like the characters that are
Speaker 3: sent to me.
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, dude, look at this big ass purple tiger.
Speaker 1: That's so awesome. That's crazy that you made this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've been doing since twenty twenty three, so
Speaker 2: I've each project, I've definitely learned something new with it,
Speaker 2: and now I have my own sort of head bass
Speaker 2: and stuff. I love business, and you know, I like
Speaker 2: giving back to this community too.
Speaker 1: So whoa, I just checked your story and you have
Speaker 1: these like Thanos gloves that make the fucking fur rot fingers? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the robot fingers. Do those go on every Do those
Speaker 1: go on everything?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Do they go on all the Nah?
Speaker 2: One of my current commissioners. His character is based on
Speaker 2: a on like a five Night to Friday's kind of
Speaker 2: like he's an animatronic. Ah, so the commissioner, if there
Speaker 2: is a way I could come up with, like the
Speaker 2: hands being robotic, So that's I found that print file
Speaker 2: and I just got the settings right on it. So
Speaker 2: those are printed that day.
Speaker 1: Wow. Much respect to you, Grapes the Tiger. Much respect.
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Is uh is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: I guess, uh, you know, keep being awesome and uh,
Speaker 2: don't take advantage of people.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll. Thank you, Grapes the Tiger. Uh, I'll
Speaker 1: see you around the universe.
Speaker 2: Thanks you to see you.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll maybe I should you know what, Maybe it's time, folks.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time, folks. Maybe it's time to upgrade the
Speaker 1: gecko suit to like, you know, because right now you
Speaker 1: can see my face, all right. What if I just
Speaker 1: got like a hyper realistic gecko suit that like you
Speaker 1: couldn't see the face and I really just like kind
Speaker 1: of got deep into being a gecko and I and
Speaker 1: I and I made made the thing look less human.
Speaker 1: I made it just look hyper realistic. Abandoned my humanity
Speaker 1: and dove head on into into committing to lizard lizard Dome.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time. Hello, Yo, what's up? Dude? What's your name?
Speaker 3: Dude? Is this the real gecko?
Speaker 1: This is the this is me, this is someone, this
Speaker 1: is a person alive.
Speaker 3: Hey, Lile, I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: by Nick. Nick, that's my name today.
Speaker 1: I knew a guy named Nick in middle school. He
Speaker 1: was very popular. I don't know what he's doing now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still popular or popularity.
Speaker 3: He's probably really formal.
Speaker 1: He's probably really famous, you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was popular in middle school, he's probably really
Speaker 3: famous now. But I think he has a stage name.
Speaker 1: If he was really famous, I think i'd know.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Are you famous?
Speaker 3: No, I'm the opposite?
Speaker 1: Would you want you're the opposite? What do you what's
Speaker 1: the opposite of famous?
Speaker 3: The I think the opposite of famous as uh you know, uh,
Speaker 3: like under the radar. You're under the radar, like not
Speaker 3: not in like a not like a crazy way, just
Speaker 3: like you know, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you like being under the radar?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, like I used to want to like
Speaker 3: start a YouTube channel and do all that stuff, but
Speaker 3: like as I get older, I kind of just want
Speaker 3: to live life like none that exists, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how's that go? How's that going?
Speaker 3: For? Honestly pretty good. I periodically delete social media off
Speaker 3: my phone and it's when I'm happiest, but I have
Speaker 3: to I have to download it again because they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, periodically because my friends want to show me
Speaker 3: silly little memes and and uh you know, I have
Speaker 3: I have to. I have to keep up with what
Speaker 3: my friends enjoy too, because that's being friends.
Speaker 1: It is true that, Yeah, I mean whatever they they
Speaker 1: they've done studies on this, not like they need to
Speaker 1: for us to know this, but yeah, that ship causes
Speaker 1: uh I me insane amount of anxiety phone and ship tell.
Speaker 3: Me about it? Yeah, dude, I I I'm thinking of
Speaker 3: installing like a complete the new operating system on my
Speaker 3: phone just so I can like avoid all of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're avoiding social media? What do you what
Speaker 1: are you moving towards or do you or are you
Speaker 1: just existing? Which is fine too? What do you use?
Speaker 1: Where are you at?
Speaker 3: I just want to exist without being I would love
Speaker 3: to exist without being required to have a phone. And
Speaker 3: I know, in a literal sense, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 3: legally required to have a phone. I'm not physically required
Speaker 3: to have a phone, but like I guess to, you know,
Speaker 3: to to get around in this world today, you kind
Speaker 3: of need a phone to do most things. And I like,
Speaker 3: I envy people who grew up and lived like young
Speaker 3: adult lives with before carrying around the phones.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it. How old are you? I'm
Speaker 1: twenty seven, okay, all r Yeah, so we have the
Speaker 1: same age. Why do you feel like you need why
Speaker 1: do you feel I mean, I have my own answers
Speaker 1: to these questions that probably have lots of flawed logic
Speaker 1: in them, But why do you feel like you need
Speaker 1: a phone to exist?
Speaker 3: So? I mean, I'm definitely guilty of developing a dependency
Speaker 3: to it. I'd like use my GPS, I do doom scroll.
Speaker 3: Totally guilty of that. And I communicates all my friends
Speaker 3: and I need it for my job so that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, if anything comes up with work, they can
Speaker 3: reach out to me. One of the managers that at
Speaker 3: my job like went off on some guy because he
Speaker 3: didn't have a phone for two days because his phone
Speaker 3: broke and he just didn't immediately replace it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I try to like find parts of my
Speaker 3: week where I can like leave my house and leave
Speaker 3: my phone at home, like just going on walks or
Speaker 3: run runs and things like that, but like I gotta
Speaker 3: end up coming back to it. I really wish I
Speaker 3: could just get rid of it. But like there's so
Speaker 3: much of my life tied to my phone. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying, like, you know, my life being like obsessed
Speaker 3: with social media or anything like that. I try to
Speaker 3: really avoid it as much as I can, but like,
Speaker 3: you know, I pay for stuff with my phone. Everyone
Speaker 3: that needs to contact me contacts me through my phone,
Speaker 3: and I don't know that's a that's a totally normal thing.
Speaker 3: But like I always like wonder what it would have
Speaker 3: been like to grow up before cell phones where they
Speaker 3: I say, I say, grow up, but like not just
Speaker 3: grow up, but like live a life, an independent life
Speaker 3: before phones were a major thing and required.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the phone is like an extension of the
Speaker 1: body at this point, and it's great. I really I
Speaker 1: can't this Like this is sad. I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: is sad. This is really sad. I really don't think
Speaker 1: I can imagine my life without the Internet. When I
Speaker 1: think about my life without the Internet, I'm so bored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I mean, I I
Speaker 3: just got home from picking up food and I was
Speaker 3: about to turn on YouTube while I ate. I watch
Speaker 3: YouTube while I eat and go to sleep, or you know,
Speaker 3: while I eat and then like watch YouTube to fall asleep.
Speaker 1: Same almost every night, same, same, same, And I.
Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do while I eat if
Speaker 3: I don't have the Internet.
Speaker 1: And here's a thing, I okay, well there's some stuff right,
Speaker 1: like like scrolling reels. I hate it. If I could,
Speaker 1: if I could eliminate all the time I spent scrolling reels,
Speaker 1: I would do it. I mean I can, but like
Speaker 1: that stuff, I would easily eliminate painlessly. I like. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's my job is like making Internet content, and I
Speaker 1: like doing that, and that feels good to like build
Speaker 1: stuff using the Internet. I really enjoy that aspect of it.
Speaker 1: I fucking love eating lunch and watching a YouTube video.
Speaker 1: And I fucking love falling asleep. Every night I fall,
Speaker 1: I put on like three hours of like Crash Bandicoot
Speaker 1: Trivia or whatever the fuck it is, and I fall
Speaker 1: asleep and.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, they no gaming videos, but.
Speaker 1: That's why. Oh my god, Ca, you're he's night you
Speaker 1: know ball you motherfucker? Oh my god, you dude? Hell yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Yes, And then I learned like all this unnecessary video
Speaker 3: game trivia through osmosis.
Speaker 1: It's the best. It's the best. I love it. I
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care if it's unhealthy for me.
Speaker 1: I dude, I can I tell you something. I really
Speaker 1: I have had many nights. I I've had many nights
Speaker 1: where I've fallen asleep, like I'm closing my eyes, I
Speaker 1: feel really tired. It's like midnight, and I have a
Speaker 1: video on and I'm in my own bed, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a peak life experience. I've been. I've I've
Speaker 1: I've like been in bed cuddling with a beautiful woman
Speaker 1: and in complete silence and darkness. And then I've been
Speaker 1: in bed, single and alone, falling asleep to a three
Speaker 1: hour long video about like crash bandicoop facts. I genuinely
Speaker 1: can't tell you for sure which of those experiences I
Speaker 1: find more enjoyable.
Speaker 3: What you said is the most relatable thing I've.
Speaker 4: Ever heard dude, Like it's like, have you ever, like
Speaker 4: you ever have you ever had that thing where like
Speaker 4: you sleep with someone and then you're like, hey, do
Speaker 4: you like is do you like watching?
Speaker 1: It's a soul crush, like I'll sleep with someone else.
Speaker 1: I'll like, do you like when?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Like, are you do you like falling asleep to stuff?
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, I hate it. I can't fall
Speaker 1: asleep without it. And I'm and we're just like we're
Speaker 1: sitting there in like darkness, and I'm like, I think,
Speaker 1: why do I feel like I'd rather be alone listening
Speaker 1: to this YouTube video right now? Like does that make
Speaker 1: me insane? That must be a defect?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think. I mean it. It definitely doesn't
Speaker 3: make you insane. I feel like it's more common. Uh
Speaker 3: Like it feels like a weird thing to do, but
Speaker 3: it's like one hundred percent something that like most people do,
Speaker 3: especially if they live alone. Uh the my uh my
Speaker 3: girlfriend just moved out of state. But when when she
Speaker 3: was here and uh we'd sleep together, she'd uh she
Speaker 3: always had to fall asleep to something. I haven't think
Speaker 3: if if I'm sleeping, if I'm like sleeping with somebody,
Speaker 3: I don't feel the need to turn something on. I
Speaker 3: just it's easier to fall asleep, I guess. But like
Speaker 3: she had to turn something on or else she wouldn't
Speaker 3: fall asleep. Uh and uh, like she would always put
Speaker 3: put in her headphones. But I I saw she was
Speaker 3: like she would watch fuck what was the smash podcast?
Speaker 3: The yeah? Uh, like they were reading like like am
Speaker 3: I the asshole? Uh? And I and I convinced her
Speaker 3: to not use her headphones, and so I got like
Speaker 3: the best of both worlds. I got to fall asleep
Speaker 3: to some random person talking on a on a YouTube video,
Speaker 3: and you know, with somebody it was the best liked
Speaker 3: like you're talking about like you're you're talking about like
Speaker 3: not really feeling the difference between like falling asleep with
Speaker 3: the beautiful woman or uh, falling asleep with with Uh
Speaker 3: did you know gaming in your ear but like it's
Speaker 3: doing those things at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, dude, It's so funny.
Speaker 3: It's Uh.
Speaker 1: I I genuinely I could genuinely see that being something
Speaker 1: that would like break up my marriage, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like if that like that being a
Speaker 1: difference of like if I like if I I'm terrified
Speaker 1: that like I'll wander, like I'll find like the love
Speaker 1: of my life, like like somebody like I'm so deeply
Speaker 1: like attracted to, they're attracted to me. We're in love,
Speaker 1: we're super compatible, except that she needs to sleep in
Speaker 1: like total silent darkness, Like that could break up my
Speaker 1: marriage for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's I it can. It can be like
Speaker 3: a scary deal breaker. That's why. That's why I like
Speaker 3: kind of conditioned myself to like, I guess not need
Speaker 3: it if I'm if I'm not alone. But that she
Speaker 3: she was like super cool about it, h or like
Speaker 3: you know, she she just also needed it. So it
Speaker 3: just I don't know that that worked out. That was
Speaker 3: That was That was a really cool scenario. And while
Speaker 3: I think you would find somebody that needs to fall
Speaker 3: asleep to the video gaming.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I mean everyone's like different,
Speaker 1: like it is a it is a very like personal preference.
Speaker 1: Like there are some people who are like cannot fall
Speaker 1: asleep without it, and I don't know it's the yeah,
Speaker 1: I yeah, one night I tried to fall asleep without
Speaker 1: it and I just couldn't. It was just like I
Speaker 1: just had so much anxiety if I have dude, yeah
Speaker 1: it is. It's just like an anxiety thing or like
Speaker 1: an ADHD thing, like I just need to be I
Speaker 1: think I've always had this thing where I need to
Speaker 1: be stimulated like at all times. Like it's it's the
Speaker 1: reason why, like you know, I mean I do all
Speaker 1: this shit, like you know, going on tour or making documentaries,
Speaker 1: or like living in a city, or like being addicted
Speaker 1: to the internet, being to the food or drugs or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is like just always like this is constant need
Speaker 1: to be stimulated, and it's caused. I think there's like
Speaker 1: healthy outlets for it. Like I think my constant need
Speaker 1: to be stimulated has led me to a lot of
Speaker 1: like beautiful life things and a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: I'm like really proud of. But it's also led me
Speaker 1: to a lot of stuff that I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: would love this to not be a part of my existence,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like she's like doom scrolling
Speaker 1: or like you know, not being able to sit still.
Speaker 1: But there's it's like like if you have that, if
Speaker 1: you have this like like anxiety stuff like I do,
Speaker 1: I do feel like it's like a kind of It's
Speaker 1: kind of this like energy that you can't just like ignore,
Speaker 1: like you have to out you have to find an
Speaker 1: outlet for it. And there's positive outlets for it that'll
Speaker 1: like make your life better in the life of people
Speaker 1: around you for it better. And then and then there's
Speaker 1: like negative outlets for it, like you know, eating a
Speaker 1: bunch of shit or fucking jerking off ten times a
Speaker 1: day or like whatever. Like there's there's there's different ways
Speaker 1: for that energy to be put out there. You know,
Speaker 1: are you like, are you a big like ADHD crazy person?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was diagnosed ADHD as a kid and
Speaker 3: I haven't taken I haven't taken meds for it in
Speaker 3: a long time. I'm actually like finally at a point
Speaker 3: where I feel I could be okay to take ADHD
Speaker 3: meds again and like try that out. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I I always got to be doing something. Uh. And
Speaker 3: I also I hate I live alone with my cat,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, I I hate being home. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like being with my cat and I need to
Speaker 3: spend time with him, but outside of that, I don't
Speaker 3: really like being home saying so I always try to
Speaker 3: find something to do, like you know, when I'm at work.
Speaker 3: I'm at work, but when I get off work, like
Speaker 3: to day, I went straight to the rock climbing gym.
Speaker 3: I got there at six forty five and I didn't
Speaker 3: leave until ten thirty. Yep. Yeah, and I yeah, I
Speaker 3: have And this is kind of like it's not not
Speaker 3: I didn't do this necessarily because I heard it from
Speaker 3: your podcast. But I have heard it from your podcast.
Speaker 3: Like you know, find find a community. If you need
Speaker 3: stuff to do, find a community and they'll give you
Speaker 3: stuff to do. And I have like a like a
Speaker 3: ton of like like range from good friends to really
Speaker 3: you know, good acquaintances at at the gym I go to,
Speaker 3: and I even and I have people that like in
Speaker 3: a group chat like we we try to plan to
Speaker 3: go at the same time because like rock climbing, the
Speaker 3: kind of climbing we do is like a partner thing.
Speaker 3: You need somebody to blame you. But even even if
Speaker 3: nobody's going, I know, when I go to the gym,
Speaker 3: I'm going to see somebody I know and then run
Speaker 3: into somebody and and have a cool conversation yeah, and
Speaker 3: and exercise and feel like all those things cause endorphins,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and just make it feel good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked about it to death on this podcast,
Speaker 1: just because I think it's like it is like something
Speaker 1: that I believe is like at least I mean, everyone's
Speaker 1: everyone's wired differently. Like there's some people who talk about
Speaker 1: like being a homebody and like they don't really like
Speaker 1: leaving the house and they don't and you know that
Speaker 1: that feels like like being a homebody is like a
Speaker 1: kind of a foreign concept to me. Like I just
Speaker 1: always feel like I need to be out and like
Speaker 1: having exactly what you just subscribed, like having something where
Speaker 1: like you know that there's a location that you can
Speaker 1: go to where if you go there you will see someone.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's such a great it's so like I think important
Speaker 1: to like, at least for me, it's like very important,
Speaker 1: like the homeostasis of my existence, you know, just having
Speaker 1: like a place to exist because you can't really you really,
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, like I don't think you
Speaker 1: can really like run an effective social life that needs
Speaker 1: that needs to be like planned out in advance, Like
Speaker 1: like you can't really run an effective social life with
Speaker 1: like four different people that you like individually have to
Speaker 1: schedule where when you're gonna shit you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you see like a especially just as you get older.
Speaker 1: I mean you have that shit naturally when you're in
Speaker 1: like high school and college, like you just just shit
Speaker 1: just happens, like you need a place to go where
Speaker 1: like naturally things just happen, Like the gym is a
Speaker 1: great one. Like if you're lucky, maybe your workplace kind
Speaker 1: of feels like that. But without without something like that,
Speaker 1: like life, life does feel a lot more uh hollow.
Speaker 1: I think I've said this on the podcast before, but
Speaker 1: like I was walking I saw like a.
Speaker 3: I walked.
Speaker 1: I was in a storia and I walked past this
Speaker 1: like old folks home being advertised, and it was like, uh,
Speaker 1: like they were advertising it and it.
Speaker 3: Was like we do.
Speaker 1: We do field trips with the seniors and we have
Speaker 1: like music classes and you know, cooking classes and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it made me really happy to see that because
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, if I can make it till
Speaker 1: like eighty years old, I would have a great time
Speaker 1: in a place like this.
Speaker 3: You know, dude, that stuff is so cool. Like my
Speaker 3: my grandmother she passed away back in November, but she
Speaker 3: had dementia, and we after my grandfather passed away, we
Speaker 3: had her in a home closer to where my parents played,
Speaker 3: like a home like that. But like even though she
Speaker 3: had dementia, she was still able to go like on
Speaker 3: those field trips and all those activities and stuff. And
Speaker 3: whenever we'd go visit her, she would like talk about
Speaker 3: how much she like hated it there. But then like
Speaker 3: you know, we'd leave and then they'd like do activities,
Speaker 3: go on field trips and stuff. And they had like
Speaker 3: a Facebook page where they take pictures of the uh
Speaker 3: what's the word, but like they yeah, they take pictures
Speaker 3: of the seniors and and like my grandmother would, she'd
Speaker 3: always be in like the center of the photos doing
Speaker 3: whatever activity they were doing, whatever craft or whatever thing
Speaker 3: they were doing, and with a massive smile on her face,
Speaker 3: like clearly having a good time. Yeah, And like I
Speaker 3: know it was just the dementia like uh her, you know,
Speaker 3: like not what to be there, but like that that
Speaker 3: that kind of that kind of thing is so good
Speaker 3: for them, and and like you know, if you're a
Speaker 3: perfectly healthy senior, that stuff's cool too. But like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, even even just like being there hanging out
Speaker 3: with them, they like they have no idea how what
Speaker 3: kind of an. I mean, they have an idea, but
Speaker 3: that's why they do it. But that has such a
Speaker 3: good impact on And yeah, I think that would be
Speaker 3: a fun life to like just like always have an
Speaker 3: activity to do and not have to worry about what
Speaker 3: the next one's going to be because it's there's just
Speaker 3: always something to do.
Speaker 1: Put me on the right, I'm on the record here,
Speaker 1: by the way. Put me in a home if I'm
Speaker 1: like however old and I and I start like developing dementia, Like,
Speaker 1: put me in a home I want to be in there.
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Like like I don't I don't know. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the geckos by the time I'm eighty or the gecko
Speaker 1: suit will be uh will be defunct. I'm sure, But
Speaker 1: what the fuck was I gonna say? Oh, it's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like when I was like like I
Speaker 1: went to like sleep away camp and all that ship
Speaker 1: and like all these places where like, you know, you
Speaker 1: have a little stuff. Isn't it interesting that like if
Speaker 1: you if you live long enough, you get to just
Speaker 1: go back to being a kid kind of It's like
Speaker 1: you're a kid at the very beginning, and then if
Speaker 1: you make it to eighty, you can you can just
Speaker 1: be a kid again, and like you're the one get
Speaker 1: right right, right right. You have this like long stretch
Speaker 1: in the middle, and your reward for uh uh sticking
Speaker 1: it out is you get to go back to being
Speaker 1: a kid. That's what. Because that's because I don't know,
Speaker 1: like like well, like honestly I do. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: when I saw that place being advertised in a story,
Speaker 1: I was like, it kind of made my existential dread
Speaker 1: go down a little bit because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're telling me I could, like, you know, when I'm
Speaker 1: if I'm lucky, right, if I'm lucky and I make
Speaker 1: it to old age, I stop eating so many peanut
Speaker 1: m and m's, and you know, get my shit together,
Speaker 1: Like if I make it, they're the best kind of
Speaker 1: m and ms. If I make it to eighty, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, even if I if I like start going
Speaker 1: crazy or whatever, at least I like, if I can
Speaker 1: do that, but like, at least be around other people
Speaker 1: who are also like dying and going insane. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I could you know, hey, like dying and
Speaker 1: going insane, like alone in a dark room sounds awful,
Speaker 1: but uh, doing it with other folks. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I can handle that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if you're going insane and just like in
Speaker 3: an environment where you're just meant to have a good
Speaker 3: time and you have no other option, really like that
Speaker 3: doesn't that doesn't sound too bad. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's another I mean, they have a
Speaker 1: fair amount of views, but I I'm so glad to
Speaker 1: connect with another person who falls asleep to those three
Speaker 1: hour video game trivia.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've never met anybody else that. Like it's
Speaker 3: so it's like it's either that or game brooms compilations
Speaker 3: for me lately that I fall asleep too, but it's
Speaker 3: it's mostly the you know, gaming one. But I I've
Speaker 3: kind of been burning through them and and like rewatching
Speaker 3: some of them because like, I know I'm gonna fall
Speaker 3: asleep that I Actually, I've had trouble sleeping for a while,
Speaker 3: like ever, really ever since I was a kid, but
Speaker 3: like like back in college from once I stayed up
Speaker 3: for like five days straight. But uh, I recently got
Speaker 3: prescribed some sleeping medication and I was really scared to
Speaker 3: try it because of the side effects, but I finally
Speaker 3: just said I'm gonna try because I couldn't fall asleep,
Speaker 3: and uh it like it worked a little too good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I ended up falling asleep at work the next day.
Speaker 3: Uh so I was like, Okay, I can't take these
Speaker 3: but that so then like I try. I tried it
Speaker 3: for a couple of nights and like just like gave up.
Speaker 3: And I know, like that kind of thing, you're supposed
Speaker 3: to take it longer and it evens out in your
Speaker 3: system or whatever. But I couldn't keep falling asleep at work.
Speaker 3: But like falling asleep to the like the did you
Speaker 3: know gaming videos? Yeah, it instantly knocks me out.
Speaker 1: M dude, popping on melatonin and putting on three hours
Speaker 1: of Super Mario Sunshine making of is just one of
Speaker 1: the best feelings in the world. I genuinely think I'm
Speaker 1: genuine I am not even I'm seriously afraid of my
Speaker 1: ability to like get married and have a family because
Speaker 1: it will interrupt my ability to do that.
Speaker 3: Are you a vivid dreamer? Does does like it if
Speaker 3: you take a melatonin because I always fine, I feel
Speaker 3: like I have really weird dreams, Like take melatonin, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're like falling asleep to the like the Mario
Speaker 3: Sunshine ship. Do you feel like it influences your dreams?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have recurring dreams where I'm in like a
Speaker 1: fucking jigsaw trap. It's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like only when you take melatonin.
Speaker 1: Uh no, they just they just visit me when they
Speaker 1: want to ruin my day. Actually that's uh.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: When I stopped smoking weed, the dreams get, My dreams
Speaker 1: get fucking crazy. Uh crazy vivid? Does that happen to
Speaker 1: you really?
Speaker 3: Well, So I've never smoked weed, so I wouldn't know,
Speaker 3: but like I I do. For a while, I was
Speaker 3: like taking like three melatonin every night, three melatona and yeah,
Speaker 3: because like I don't know the well, I had these
Speaker 3: gummies that said take two, but like two, if I
Speaker 3: took two, I still felt really wired. It would still
Speaker 3: take me like four hours to fall asleep. So I
Speaker 3: started taking three and it worked, but I would have
Speaker 3: insane dreams. I think I texted you about one of
Speaker 3: them once. Uh let me see. Yes, well, okay, I
Speaker 3: can't find a text, but I said it was something
Speaker 3: about like a prophetic or prolific dream about skittles or
Speaker 3: not killed eminem. This is not gonna I'll I'll do
Speaker 3: you do you want to know about the dream.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's hear about the dream, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go.
Speaker 3: So that's fine. I, by the way, I really appreciate
Speaker 3: you calling me back because like my my food that
Speaker 3: I just picked up just like fell all over my
Speaker 3: carpet and I had to go get other food and
Speaker 3: that like I missed your call like while I was
Speaker 3: cleaning it up. And you have no idea how much
Speaker 3: this has made my day that you called it so cool.
Speaker 3: I love this podcast so much.
Speaker 1: It's made you It's made my day to connect with
Speaker 1: another person who watches these fucking video game trivia like
Speaker 1: there's such like there actually are. That's a key part
Speaker 1: of my life in a weird way, I have found.
Speaker 3: Myself what like I wonder who else all the sleepy
Speaker 3: But yeah, anyway, the dream. So this probably is gonna
Speaker 3: make any sense because it was a dream, but I
Speaker 3: so I was like just for some reason, I was
Speaker 3: like just in a park with like a bunch of
Speaker 3: uh like benches and tables, and like a bunch of
Speaker 3: random people were all uh sad at them, including myself,
Speaker 3: And there was this guy walking around and with with
Speaker 3: a bag of eminems and handing them uh to people,
Speaker 3: and like every time you'd go up to somebody and
Speaker 3: and they like let him pick an eminem out of
Speaker 3: the bag. They like pick one, and they'd give them
Speaker 3: the option to like put it back or eat it,
Speaker 3: and everybody kept putting his back until they got when
Speaker 3: they wanted. And but he came to me and I
Speaker 3: picked one and it was like it was a red
Speaker 3: eminem and like it didn't it didn't matter I uh,
Speaker 3: and he like got my face and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do with it? And uh, I said,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna enjoy it. They're all the same, and
Speaker 3: I ate it, and he like got it in my
Speaker 3: face and said, this guy gets it. And then there
Speaker 3: was a flash of light and I woke up and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, but that's some meaning of life
Speaker 3: dream I just had. I it. I feel like there
Speaker 3: was some metaphor that I still haven't quite gotten from
Speaker 3: the eminem's.
Speaker 1: Nick. I have no idea what you were just saying,
Speaker 1: but I think that's I think that's how you experienced it.
Speaker 1: So I actually think that me not knowing any any
Speaker 1: of what the hell you just said is actually accurate
Speaker 1: to what you were attempting to make me feel by
Speaker 1: saying it, so I actually, in that way, understood more
Speaker 1: of what you said. I I understood more of what
Speaker 1: you said by not understanding it, by that logic.
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. Nick.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Uh? Everything, Everything is cool, go outside, beautiful. Thank you Nick,
Speaker 3: Thank you. Nick.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 3: Goes on the line, taking your calls every night.
Speaker 1: Everything goes just teaching you the line.