WEBVTT - Carey Bennett 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.880 Hi, guys, I'm Jade Ivne and I host Tell Me 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.040 About It, the podcast that is the antithesis of a 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.959 success story podcast where we leave things like girl Boss, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.520 energy and lucky breaks at the door and instead celebrate 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.440 and commiserate about all the things that make us human. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.319 This is the podcast manifestation of those conversations you have 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.200 with your best friend at four am. We have all 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.160 kinds of women from all different walks of life, like 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:33.040 Gwen Stefani, Steph Schep, Amanda Knox, La La Kent, Raven Simone, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.800 and Jojo. Listen to Tell Me About It with Jade 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.040 Ivene on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:47.839 wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Gary Bennett and 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:57.160 I was the costume signer on the Office. Hello everyone, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:03.520 and welcome back to the Office Deep Dive. I am 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.800 your host Brian Baumgartner. Today, Yes you just heard it, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.759 I am breaking on a very important guest. Without her, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:18.560 there would be no mustard colored shirts, no cat embroidered sweaters, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:24.000 no well no sumo suits. That's right. Today's guest is 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:29.840 the one and only Carrie Bennett, costume designer extraordinaire for 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:36.000 the Office. You guys, nobody committed like Carrie Bennett. Nobody 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:41.640 for costume research. She called up, hunted down, scouted a 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:46.839 real life paper company just to nail the looks. And 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.120 it is not like she had all the money in 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.720 the world. No, she had a tiny budget, but many, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.600 many J. C. Penny suits. Now, some people may think 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.520 that the office was just how hard could that be? 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.600 It's just suits and ties and maybe a little awkward haircuts. No, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:12.280 Carrie made sure every character was was individual. They had 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.720 their own look, whether it was Phyllis purple tops or 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:24.160 Michael's bizarre ties or Dwight's aviator glasses. Personally, I was 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:29.000 a little too aware that Kevin never ever, ever took 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.840 off his jacket even when playing basketball. But hey, that's Carrie. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.000 So without further ado, I would like to introduce you 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:48.240 all to our amazing costume designer, Carrie Bennett. Bubble and Squeak. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:55.000 I love it. Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker 0:02:55.080 --> 0:03:09.840 cookie every month left over from the night before. Well, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:16.920 there she is, right, Carrie, how are you? It's so 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:22.639 good to see you. Likewise, oh my gosh, how are you? 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.680 I mean, I'm doing good. I'm great. Everybody's healthy on 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:33.320 your end. Yeah, yeah, we've somehow evaded any kind of cooties. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:41.200 Very good. Avoiding cooties are good, especially after two years. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.440 I don't even know how it's possible, right, Yeah, just 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.280 just one day at a time, One day at a time, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.120 that's right. So you and I, Oh my gosh, this 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.920 is so amazing because in preparation to talk to you, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:01.120 I remember so many of our conversation is back in 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.760 what do you call it? A the trailer? The costume trailer? 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.960 Is that right? Yeah? We have like a a trailer 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.400 in the parking lot. A trailer in the parking was 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:18.320 our headquarters. Yeah, it's maximum glamour. Well that's the television, right. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:23.000 Everybody thinks that it's glamorous, but it's really not. Is that? 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.839 Is that what you dreamed of when you were a child, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:32.760 that kind of glamour in television? Um, so I saw 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.839 because well I researched you. I've got a team researching. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.960 There's so many people researching. You went to cal Arts, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.600 which I know what cal arts is, so I assume 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.000 at an early age you were interested in the arts. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:55.760 Now was costume design what you wanted to do early on? Yeah? 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.840 You know, actually my undergrad degree is in dance. Oh 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.000 and during that time, I worked in the costume shop 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.920 and I always sewed. I just always like crafty. And 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.159 I had a teacher there that was like, you have 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.719 the best energy for working in television. She planted that seed. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.680 And um. So when I graduated as a dancer and 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.000 had like injuries all the time, and I was like, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.280 is this my life? Is this what I'm gonna do? 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.880 Going to be in physical therapy forever? Um? And I 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.400 you know, I had sort of like this little bit 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.560 of a costume base that I had been doing costumes 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.800 for dance productions and stuff. And I put together the 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:42.120 most hilarious, lame portfolio. Like anybody out there who wants 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.880 to be a costume designer shouldn't look at my portfolio 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.960 because I did not draw at that point. Um, But 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.920 I I just put it out there. And I got 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.360 into CalArts as a grad student, and oh my god, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.200 it was the best thing I ever did. It was 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.240 so great. I learned all the stuff. They have an 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.720 amazing theater program there and just gave me the confidence 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.000 to be like, oh, you know what I'm talking about 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.520 Now I can draw and I can I can sew 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:16.160 and design concepts and here we go. Right, So you 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:22.279 were a dancer who had designed costumes for dance recitals. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.800 Is that what you that's the word, right, recitals? And 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.279 then you were like, I'm gonna make a change. You 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.760 do a portfolio, you apply to cowards get in as 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.359 a costume designer. Is that? Is that what you got in? 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.200 You got in? Is that? And you didn't know how 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.920 to draw barely? Right? It sounds like every single person's 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.760 journey on the office. Everybody who got to the office 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.839 actually didn't know what they were doing in a traditional 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:53.160 sense before it happened. Well, I mean the thing is like, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.039 there's a long journey between that and getting on the 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.440 office though for sure, right, No, I know that. I 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.640 just I joke because well, there's so many people, right. So, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.120 Claire Scanlon, our editor, had never edited scripted television before 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:13.760 Randall Einhorn, Matt Son. They had never shot, not even 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.360 to speak of directing scripted television before Phillis, who was 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.800 not an actor. When she's I mean so that that 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.880 I don't know that theme. There's something there's something there, right, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:26.880 Well you know what? And here, yes, and I know 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.120 what it is. Actually what that is is the fear 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.160 of not being able to pull it off and the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.240 earnestness of like getting it right, Like, Okay, I got 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.360 I was given this job, I'm gonna do it. I'm 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:42.880 going to figure it out. I'm going to do it 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.400 to the best of my ability. And I feel like 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:50.440 that that incredible earnestness we all had for wanting it 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.520 to be authentic and to really you know, get the 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.440 details right and stuff like. I mean, I can say 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.160 it now as a you know, I still strive for that, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.400 but like I'm older and you know I've done it, 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.760 I don't know that I dig that deeply into it. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.160 I mean, my the preparation and the research that I 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.560 did to accomplish my work on the Office is legendary 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.440 in my career. Oh my god. Well, I really want 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:22.960 to hear about that. But I want to I want 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.000 to start where you and my relationships started. Not that 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.400 I worked on the show, but I we discussed a 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.240 lot about it. You're the designer on Scrubs for a 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.920 long period of time. I find that so interesting because 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:46.640 the characters on Scrubs are very easily identifiable by their wardrobe. However, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.040 they're all wearing scrubs, right, most of them are all 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.160 wearing the same thing. And so you know, in leading 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.560 up to the office, not that that was your not 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.360 that that was your rehearsal. But I find it very 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:06.079 interesting that you were able to find unique looks based 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.280 in character for people who were largely wearing the same thing. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.959 Can you talk to me a little bit about scrubs 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.439 and your experience there? God, you are You're amazing. You've 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.600 done your research. Thank you so much for recognizing that, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.160 because yeah, that is where the real magic comes from, 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:27.520 and that is where my research is the golden ticket there. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.479 Because on Scrubs, I went with our director Adam Bernstein 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.960 on the pilot. We went to a hospital downtown in 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.040 downtown l A. It's kind of a little bit of 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.280 a scary um the scarier hospitals, and we had a 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.280 tour and um, I wasn't allowed to take photographs, but 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.720 I had my little notepad there and I mean, I 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.079 just I just drank it in because I never assume 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.080 that I know what I'm talking about, because I feel 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:00.079 like that's where it looks cheesy, like, oh, doctors where this? 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.360 But there were so many details that I gleaned from that, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:10.000 and so many characters that I witnessed and saw them 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.760 working and saw their little details and saw, you know, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.960 like the Doug character that I saw a guy like 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.440 wearing a Fannie pack with his water bottle attached to it. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.920 He had like his his personal gear, you know, not 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.440 like his works, like his stethoscope and stuff. Like he 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:30.640 had his person like he was like a commando. Yeah, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.480 Like he had his stuff. And I thought that was fascinating, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.760 and so that that to me, that is like I 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.360 considered that the bulk of my work is getting into 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.000 the nitty gritty and taking those pictures. If I can't 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.280 take pictures, I'm constantly taking pictures of people on the street. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.360 I'm sorry, everybody out there, I'm sneaking a picture of you. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.840 My my grandma taught me how to do that. Like 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.160 she she was a painter, and she one time taught 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.600 me at the airport. She's like, oh, see those cute 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.200 ladies over there, I'm gonna paint them, but first I 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.280 need to get a photograph of them. And here's how 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.600 you do that. You put your camera down at your 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.640 hip and you aim it at them, and you look 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.360 the other direction and you take a picture. Yeah, well, listen, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.120 let me tell you something. I can speak from personal experience. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.360 I know now that they're taking a picture of that, right, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.240 we'll see now it's different. It sounds creepy now, right, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.200 But I mean the thing is like, as far as 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.600 research goes, like, that's the thing. It's just because I 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.960 truly want to honor the special mojo that that person has, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.000 Like I want to get those details right, because that's 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.880 what really makes a difference. And that's what really shows 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.800 when everyone's wearing scrubs or when everyone's wearing suits and ties, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.040 Like how do you make that look different? Like how 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:51.120 do you you know? That's that's the real challenge, you know. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.080 I was thinking about it last night, not to go 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.480 too deeply personal, but my my dad was a doctor 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.600 and worked at a at a hospital research hospital, and 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.960 so as a kid, I thought, oh, this is what 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:11.959 doctors where, right, Like he had slacks, button down shirt 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.000 tie and his white lab coat and so like my 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:22.440 brain as a child went, oh, that's that's what doctors wear. Right. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.040 And then later on, and I was thinking about this 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.960 last night, I realized, like, no, that's not exactly what 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.800 all doctors were, right, this is what my dad wore 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.800 and what he wore and how he dressed affect people's 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.840 impression of him who he was as a character, because 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.800 even in that uniform, I think to your point, like 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.760 there is an individuality and you're either delivering a message 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.439 or a message is set based on on what you're wearing. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.920 But I think you know, really what's interesting for me 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.200 is it sounds like for you it's about character, right, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.760 So the wardrobe is defined by by that, right, And 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.360 that's in collaboration with the writer. Absolutely. I mean, that's 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.720 that's the whole process. And it's funny, like I just 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.080 want to clarify, like, because I this is so ran. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.679 This never happens to me. It probably happens to you 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.360 all the time. But they hadn't approached me at a restaurant. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.920 Was like, I never, it never happens to me. But 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.720 we had a conversation about the office and doing costumes 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.680 for it, and he was like, oh, so you did 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.360 the Gym's three Whole Punch costume for Halloween and the 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.600 Ben Franklin Think And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.559 Every single thing that every single person wears is designed 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.720 and it's thought through from the reading of the script, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.920 figuring out who those people are, what their backstory is. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.520 There's input from the producers, there's input from the writers, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.160 there's input from the directors, and of course the most important, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.280 incredible input is from the actor who's thinking it through 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.680 like how they want to do it. So I've always 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.640 thought on myself as sort of like the filter, like 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.520 I taken all that information and filter it down to 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.000 something that makes sense quickly. As soon as you see 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.880 those characters on the screen, you have to sort of 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:18.040 get a feeling of who they are, where they shot. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.800 I mean, they're clothing is what broadcasts where they're coming from, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.840 kind of right, you know, And yet you don't want 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.960 it to broadcast too much. You don't want it to 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.800 be like, oh, you know, you want it to be subtle. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.560 So so yeah, so it's it's all that well, and 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.960 I think on Scrubs on the Office as well, right, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.480 there's um, well, specifically the Office, it's about creating real 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.880 people and sort of a reality. So yeah, it's not 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.880 about indicating certain things, it's about sort of getting at 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:55.840 the essence. Okay, so getting into the office. So I 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.280 read I didn't remember this. You started working on the 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.800 Office during a hiatus of Scrubs, Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.320 I did the two shows for four years. I did. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.600 I did both shows at the same time, which, in 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:15.680 retrospect was insanity insane. How could you possibly do? I mean, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.800 Scrubs is not a small cast show either. By the way, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.160 in case you didn't remember, there were a lot of 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:29.000 characters there. Um, we had what sixteen eighteen twenty, I 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.280 don't know how many people you were war drobing on 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.880 a weekly basis. Oh, like so many. It was a lot. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:41.400 And it was completely fueled by uh, Starbucks. It was 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.200 you know, it just worked out perfectly. It was such 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.240 that like our studio was there in the valley and 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.440 Scrubs was kind of, you know, a few blocks away, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.120 and they're literally like I'm not kidding, there was a 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.320 Starbucks in between, and I would just go back and 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.840 forth all day long. 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What was your process 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:21.720 for trying to again give some specificity and individuality to 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:26.560 the characters there through what would on the outside again 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.040 being like, oh, this is just what you wear to work? Yeah, well, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.679 once again, I started my whole process like, I have 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.560 no idea what I'm talking about. I've never worked in 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.919 an office myself, so I just and it's, you know, 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.320 it's going back to that thing. It's like a little 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.040 bit of fear, like how am I going to get 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.560 this right? So I always start my research like trying 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.719 to get myself on the ground somewhere where I can 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:58.200 immerse myself and see what it really looks like. And um, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.840 I don't know. I talked to the lead these office 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.439 ladies that they had never heard the story. They had 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.720 no idea. I found a paper company in Glendale, here's 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.160 my next little town over and I invited myself over there. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.840 I spoke to the owner and I was like, Hey, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.040 I'm doing this show, I'm researching. Would it be okay 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.000 if I came over and just chatted with you and 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.560 just you could just give me a tour? And I 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:25.320 got there and oh my god, Bryant, it was beyond amazing. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.680 It was so awesome. All the characters were there, all 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.560 the look of it was there. It was stunning. And 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.040 it had some similarities to the UK version, like they 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.679 had that fish on the wall, that fish on the 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.280 plaquet that they had that, and I was like, Billy 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.960 big mouth bath or something. Yes, yes, yes, So they 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.640 were so wonderful and kind and let me take pictures 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.120 and I talked to everybody in there and got such 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.240 an incredible vibe from I took a thousand pictures. I 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.600 put them in a little slide show. I put a 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.320 little music to it, little Welcome to the Working Week, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.560 and I brought it back and I showed Greg and 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:16.479 he was like, what is this? Where is this? You 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.879 will take me back here, You can take me to 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.440 this place. So we went back. We went with our DP, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.680 and we went with our production designer and we all 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.159 went back there and filmed everything, and I think I 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.520 started a relationship with them, Like we used all of 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.320 their paper products. It was just such a vibe and 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.160 I think they still exist. I actually saw their truck 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.639 the other day. I don't want to say their name 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:46.639 because I don't, but that's amazing. It was amazing, And 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.000 so that's what gives me a touchstone. Like I referred 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.520 back to those pictures so many times, like when I 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.040 don't know, when I was tired and I was like 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.159 trying to figure out my umpty character, like new person 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.159 coming in and had to be a regular person, but 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.879 had to be different than the last regular person. You know. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.600 It's like I had that little touchstone that I could 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.639 go back to and go like, oh, yeah, remember that 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.080 little detail or the way they wore their pants, or 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.600 when I first went, it was like their casual Friday 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:20.040 um and the guy there that was my Dwight inspiration. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.520 He was wearing like a T shirt with a wolf 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.200 on it that day that I went, and I was like, oh, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:36.840 I see, that is amazing. But that's and that's what 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.720 I'm saying, like I feel like back in the day, 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.080 like that's that like that stemmed from like sort of 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.160 my fear of not getting it right right, So I 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:51.640 was like, I gotta get some concrete visuals and that's insane. Yeah. Well, 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.159 and you know that's exactly what John Krasinski did too, right, 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.359 I mean, that's literally exactly what he did. He was 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.120 in New York work. I mean, he lived in New 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:06.280 York and was like, well, scrans only two hours away. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.440 I guess I should go see it. And he went 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.040 to pen paper there and started talking to the people 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.240 who worked at the paper company there. I didn't know that. Yeah, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.840 he went to That's so amazing. I didn't do that. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.000 I didn't go to a paper company, to be clear, 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.760 I didn't. I didn't do that. Um but I but 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.040 I find that really interesting that that a real person. Yeah, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.120 inspired that. I mean, Dwight's a great example, right, Like, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.720 on the one hand, it's work attire, but those mustard 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:48.320 shirts and you know, almost gives it. I don't even 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.399 know that I've ever articulated this before, but almost a 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:57.640 militaristic look in a weird way. That color and very 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.240 straight lace. That's interesting. Well, and to like a lot 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:05.840 of his look. You know. Another thing that I really 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:11.200 dedicated myself too was shopping where these people would shop. 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:15.600 Like that's the trickiest thing in Hollywood, because like there's 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.280 so much magic that goes into like just a basic 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:22.800 T shirt. You know, like there cut every different magical 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.840 way with magical fabric to make actors look amazing. But 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:27.720 I was like, you know what, we need to shop 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.520 people's shop, And so I did a lot of J. C. Penny, 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.440 which I don't know if they still do it, but 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.240 at the time, it is amazing deal where you could 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.720 get if you were like a working guy, you go 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.040 and get your suit outfit there and it would have 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.560 a suit, a shirt, a tie, a belt, and maybe 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.160 the socks the socks and it was like a whole 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.800 one price, like a hundred bucks. And I was like, 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:56.159 that is so awesome, Like that's that's exactly what I 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.040 would do if I was this guy working in office, 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.200 I would go, like, get my three suit outfits. And 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:06.200 we all said, well, they had those amazing colored suits, 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.840 like the olive green and ochre and that sort of 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.800 putty color, and it just started to make a story 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.360 for me and yeah, I don't know, I just ran 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.560 with it and it just suited him so well, and 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.639 it yeah, it did have kind of like a little 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.040 We always toyed with the fact that he that he 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:30.000 was kind of enamored with military or sort of German heritage, 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:36.000 and like, yeah, how much how much did you collaborate 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:41.440 with rain onight? Oh my gosh. He was so good 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:47.320 at giving specific input and and he was always the 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.480 one that would call me and go, hey, I think 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.680 I wear a hat in this episode. Could it be this? 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:55.919 Or like, what do you think about this? Or he 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.600 always had some kind of really great insight, and then 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.359 we would just kind of hash it out together, like 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.880 with this, work with this, let's try this, and um, 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:09.600 yeah he's tuned in to the subtleties and thinking about it, 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.360 and yeah, I always had a special take on it. Yeah, 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.960 it's really fun and easy to collaborate with. Yeah, you 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.000 know what's so funny you just said that. I remember 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.560 we had a big deal with the hat, you and 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:30.320 I because it was Kevin when his band got established, 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.160 and we were looking for something that would be like 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.439 this is what this is, like the cape right of 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.200 a superhero, this is what he puts on when he's 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.760 in the band, And we had this hat, and I 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.400 think we both love this hat and it was there 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.760 early on, and then the hat vanished. I don't know 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:53.400 if you remember this. The hat left, it went away 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.840 like we don't know, one knows ever where it went. 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.000 And so then it was like this whole thing, and 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.040 I'm sure I was such a pain in the ass. 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.960 I was like we were look, you guys brought in 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.320