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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number one Tay in

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Speaker 1: the show, we're joined by Aaron Warburton, a d i

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Speaker 1: Y public land hunting specialist and a member of the

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Speaker 1: Midwest white Tail team, and we're going to great detail

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Speaker 1: on his public land journey and the tactics he uses

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Speaker 1: now to kill mature bucks on heavily pressured land. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Sit to Gear, and today we're joined by Aaron Warburton,

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Speaker 1: and Iowa bow hunter and a longtime member of the

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Speaker 1: team over at Midwest white Tail. And Aaron is found

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Speaker 1: a niche in the hunting world as a public land

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Speaker 1: bow hunting specialist and in recent years over on the

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Speaker 1: Midwest white Tail web and TV shows his public land exploits.

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Speaker 1: They've they've gotten quite a lot of interest him and

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Speaker 1: a team of other guys who are doing this. And

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Speaker 1: Aaron and this group of folks over there that are

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Speaker 1: focusing on this public land stuff, they have without a

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Speaker 1: doubt proven that killing big mature bucks on public land.

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Speaker 1: Even in states like Iowa where you would expect there

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of nonresident hunting pressure on those

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Speaker 1: public lands, you know, it is definitely possible. You can

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Speaker 1: go to these places without owning any land, without leasting

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Speaker 1: any land, and you can have success. So as you're

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Speaker 1: gonna come to hear, if you haven't been watching what

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Speaker 1: they've done over on Middlewest white Tail, they are absolutely

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Speaker 1: getting it done. So today I get to chat with

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Speaker 1: Aaron in detail about his background as a public land hunter,

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Speaker 1: the different philosophies and tactics he uses to find and

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Speaker 1: kill bucks in these situations, and particularly interesting, we get

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Speaker 1: to dive into the specifics of a much talked about situation. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you follow to us white Tail, you're familiar with

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Speaker 1: this spot of public land where Aaron and a couple

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Speaker 1: of his friends were hunting that they referred to as

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Speaker 1: the buck Nest, where they're seeing a lot of really

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Speaker 1: really nice bucks back on public land. And so we

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Speaker 1: get to dive deep into how we found this spot,

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Speaker 1: how they approached, how they scouted it, how they hunted it,

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Speaker 1: their plans for this year. Very very interesting stuff. I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna enjoy this episode. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to that, I do have my co host Mr. Dan

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Speaker 1: to offer fair warning if you're new to the podcast

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Speaker 1: and if you're if you're right, if you're not interested

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Speaker 1: in hearing rambling conversations here at the beginning here about

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Speaker 1: screaming kids or hunting pronghorn or pack rafting in one

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Speaker 1: of the largest wilderness areas in the lower forty eight Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to hear on that point stuff, yeah,

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Speaker 1: brownie points. If you don't want to hear about those things,

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Speaker 1: you can fast forward a little bit to get to

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Speaker 1: our interview with Aaron. But uh, what do you say, Dan?

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Speaker 1: Should we get into these These are fun rambling intro thoughts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I like the warning, but don't fast forward because dude,

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Speaker 1: life is like life in general, is what's interesting? Right?

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Speaker 1: I Mean, we could sit here and talk about deer

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Speaker 1: all day long, but you know, it's it's life. You

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Speaker 1: know what happens in life that is uh that I

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Speaker 1: think is is different than what everything else that's out there.

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Speaker 1: We Uh, I don't know. I don't know if our

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Speaker 1: the honest truth, at least about what's going on. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's a normal life though, Like I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many people's dogs crapped on their carpet last night while

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Speaker 1: they were sleeping. But this morning at five, when I

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up again. A high point

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Speaker 1: in Dan Johnson's life. Hey man, I've I've had to

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Speaker 1: You know, I like you know Don Higgins, our guest

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Speaker 1: that's where you feel like. That's where we find you too, Dan,

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Speaker 1: That's where I hang out. Those are my people. So

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Speaker 1: what what's what's new in the gutter today? Well, in

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Speaker 1: And so today I just bought plane tickets for it's

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Speaker 1: um Air airline tickets uh for June of next year,

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Speaker 1: the baby pops out. Well, get that done over with, right, absolutely. Man,

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Speaker 1: you weren't kidding about the brownie points. Yeah, I gotta

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Speaker 1: get gotta get the brownie points, and then that should

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Speaker 1: really good. Now, one thing I'm a little worried about, though,

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Speaker 1: you said this is gonna be a surprise, aren't you

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Speaker 1: worried about her listening to this episode. Are you kidding me? No,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't even listen to my podcast. Oh man, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: That's a good plan, a very good plan. So Brownie

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Speaker 1: Party order a couch too. Dang, yeah, that should get

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Speaker 1: you some October hunts this year. Then I'd say, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about that. Come on, it's just a couch, man, Right,

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Speaker 1: you should see our couch. It has like kool Aid

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Speaker 1: stains all over it, just like milk stains, like kids.

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Speaker 1: Like the other day you guys even had kids, right, Oh, Mark,

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Speaker 1: throw it in the low blows. I like it. The

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Speaker 1: other day we had pizza. You know, it's one of

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Speaker 1: those days where as a parent, you'll have days like this, Mark,

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Speaker 1: where you will that's the weird by the life. What

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Speaker 1: You're gonna days like this where everybody's busy the only

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Speaker 1: you're okay, screw it. Let's just put a frozen pizza

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Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus. And then he looks at me with

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Speaker 1: On the deer note though this weekend, you know, I

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Speaker 1: You're gonna head out and shift them to the fall

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take part of something I'd like to

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Speaker 1: call stay out September, which means don't go into your

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Speaker 1: holy Field is going to be in your living room

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Speaker 1: to break through the brush and potentially, you know, scare

427
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Speaker 1: the the bowls away any further, and I ended up

428
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: finding a new pathway and as I cleared the trees,

429
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: I could see a black on white moving through the

430
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: forest about hundred yards away, and instantly I thought it

431
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: was a bear, but had a long two ft tail,

432
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: so I dropped to a knee. I instantly knew it

433
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: was a wool and one shot later the wolf dropped

434
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: in his tracks and I had filled my first wolf

435
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: tag ever. On Travis's hunt, which you can see on

436
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: Montana Wild's Vimeo page, he was wearing a storm front

437
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: jacket and mountain pants. If you'd like to create a

438
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: sick Of story of your own, or to learn more

439
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: about Sitka's technical hunting apparel visit sitka gear dot com.

440
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: Alright with us on the line now is Aaron Warward

441
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. Aaron. Thanks for having me Mark. Yeah, absolutely,

442
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: I've for a long for pretty a long time now.

443
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: I've been following what you've been doing over at Midwest

444
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: White Tail and have seen a pretty cool progression with

445
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: what you've been doing, both from a content standpoint and

446
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: from a hunting standpoint, especially with a lot of public

447
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: land stuff going on. So I'm glad we can finally

448
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: connect and talk more. You know, it's just been kind

449
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: of quick highs and hellos at shows or emails, So

450
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad we could do this. Thank you for making

451
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, no problem. I'm looking forward to Yeah,

452
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: definitely Land. I'm sure you've got the it's that I've

453
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: got right now, these these late August days are getting

454
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: me pretty pretty anxious to get in the White Hill Woods.

455
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: You feel in the same way. Oh yeah, we've already

456
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: been out Oh, I mean between three and five times

457
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: a week for the last month or so, you know,

458
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: whether we should be or not, we've so been going

459
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: out there and uh and you know, getting cameras out

460
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and scouting some new areas, trying to plot some tree

461
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: stand locations for the fall, and checking out some new

462
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: public lands that you know, just became available in some

463
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: different spots. Because we try to keep it, we try

464
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: to keep a close eye on that all the time

465
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: as well. You know, these states um sometimes purchase extra pieces,

466
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, depending on the year and what their goals

467
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: are and what their budgets are, and whenever they buy them,

468
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: we like to go and check out the new stuff.

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: We've been We've been doing a lot of that here lately.

470
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: That's exciting to find one of those spots and you

471
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: one of the first people to get in there. That's

472
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: always a good situation. Yeah, sometimes they forget to sign

473
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: them for a couple of years and it's pretty pretty

474
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: good hunting as you can imagine. But yeah, any any

475
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: time we get to get on new ground, which luckily

476
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: for us hunt in public land, there's there's a good

477
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: amount of it, if you know, if you're willing to

478
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: drive a few hours to get there, So we're never

479
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: short on new spots and adventurous scouting missions. That's awesome. Well,

480
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: I want to dig into a lot of that stuff.

481
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, finding all these public land spots

482
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: and the scouting are doing all that stuff. But I

483
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: guess before we get there, um, can you just give

484
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: us the the one oh one on how you got

485
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: to this point with the Midwest white tail and then

486
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: maybe what you're doing now today too. Okay, Well, I

487
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: mean my story is is pretty basic redneck from northern Missouri,

488
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: from a little bitty town of about nine thousand people

489
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: called Paris. And uh, when ever, since I was really young,

490
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: we were hunting and fishing in the woods. You can

491
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: imagine rural community like that, that's sort of part of

492
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: your lifestyle for a lot of families and mine was

493
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: no different. So growing up, we were always in the

494
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: woods hunting stuff and total cameras around and uh, you know,

495
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean from an early early age, like nine years old,

496
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: the first hunting videos that I saw. This is kind

497
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: of what I wanted to do. So early on, you know,

498
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: we had video cameras floating around. Old you know, take

499
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: cameras and stuff that I think my dad's still got

500
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: a few of them in his house that are just

501
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: sitting back there collecting dust. But that's uh, basically started

502
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: when I was very young. And just slowly progressed, um

503
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: into what I'm doing now. And that's, uh, that's my passion.

504
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: It's it's filming you know, hunts and trying to really

505
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: trying to recreate content that the average hunter can relate to.

506
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: That's kind of what that's what drives us, um, you know,

507
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: specifically us here in the office and the public land guys,

508
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: we all sort of have had the same interests in

509
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: that regard. Whatever we're doing, I mean, whether it's helping

510
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: somebody on private or or you know, hunting private occasionally

511
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: or hunting public, that's what we're always trying to do

512
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: is just relate to the average guy. So um, you know,

513
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: because that's who we are, that's where that's where I

514
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: came from. So I like, I'd like to think that

515
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I relate to those people or try to anyway. Um.

516
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole video thing started at a young

517
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: age and just progressed through it and eventually met some

518
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: folks in the outdoor industry going to Turkey colong contests

519
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, and just sort of grew the network from

520
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: there and uh, and always was involved in video editing

521
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: even through college and and doing other things when I

522
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: was younger. I've always stayed involved in video editing and

523
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: and doing stuff kind of freelance for the hunting industry

524
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: for a while before I started here. I've been I've

525
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: been at Midwest Whitetel now for uh I think six years,

526
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: started here in two thousand and eleven and been here

527
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: ever since. And that started an internship? Is that right? Yep?

528
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Started as an internship as most of our employees UM

529
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: at Midwest Whitetel did start the as an intern except

530
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: for Greg. He came on full time in two thousand

531
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: and ten. And then I was an intern with four

532
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: other fells in two thousand eleven. That's awesome and uh,

533
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: and so what what's officially your role now? What exactly

534
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: do you have your your your hands on? Oh, I'm

535
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: then I'm a video producer first and foremost. UH, I

536
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: just work on all kinds of projects from from you know,

537
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: different accounts and stuff that we have with sponsors and

538
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: brands that support our show. UM. Right now, I'm starting

539
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: to work on the Cabella's White Tail Season series, which

540
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: is something that UM I do for them in their

541
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: website every year. And then uh, we also produce lots

542
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: of how to and gear tips for their YouTube channel

543
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: and some of their other stuff that they have going

544
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: on in the house, and I I kind of head

545
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: up all the Cabella's accounts that we have, um as

546
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: far as that goes. And then uh, I managed the

547
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: office here in Midwest Whitea. We've got three employees including

548
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: me and three interns this fall, so it's gonna be

549
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: pretty hectic place. But I kind of oversee operations and

550
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: make sure that that the interns are, you know, on

551
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow, and we're we're getting work accomplished

552
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and and that sort of thing. It gets real hectic,

553
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: but it is definitely a lot of fun. Man. You've

554
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: you guys have just have so much different content coming

555
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: out and I can't imagine trying to keep track of

556
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: it all because, like you said, you've got things going

557
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: on for Cabella's. You guys do the Chasing November show

558
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of later in the year. That's kind of that

559
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: more produced version of the Live Hunts you're putting out

560
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: for all the day from shows and then holy smokes,

561
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you keep your head straight

562
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: during the season or at any point when you have

563
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: so many and then the Turkey stuff in the spring. Uh,

564
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: how do you how do you remember what you have

565
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: for breakfast in the morning after all that. It's pretty

566
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty tough. But we drink a lot of coffee,

567
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. Um, and we don't have

568
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: your average work hours. Um. That may that may have

569
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: something to do with why I'm not married yet, but yeah,

570
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh. We uh, we stay extremely busy

571
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: and and uh we have the freedom to work here,

572
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, at night when you can't legally hunt, So

573
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: we we work here at night most of the time.

574
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: That's when we get most for editing done throughout the fall,

575
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: and are are uploading our web content stuff to the

576
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: different sites that we manage, including this Midwest white Tail.

577
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, we spend we spent a ton of time

578
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: in the field hunting during the day, work during the night.

579
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good schedule. I think a lot

580
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: of guys that like that. Yeah, yeah, um, And that's

581
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that gets gets us

582
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of intern applicants every year. And then once

583
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: they get here and they realize, you know, two hours

584
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: of sleep on average every night for a month and

585
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: a half straight, eventually starts to wear a little bit.

586
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah that can you can see that being pretty brutal

587
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, yeah, it's grueling, but it's fun. Yeah. Yeah.

588
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: But I think to something you alluded to earlier, I

589
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: think that adding what you guys have been doing from

590
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: a public land standpoint has been a really great way

591
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: to counterbalance some of the things that Bill is doing

592
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: and some of the other guys on the team, Um

593
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: that have a bunch of land in a great state,

594
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: heavily managed and that that's fun to see, but sometimes

595
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: not everybody can can relate to that. So I think

596
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: you guys have done a really nice job of of

597
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: of showing what Bill is doing, which is amazing and

598
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: people love seeing that, but then also seeing what you

599
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: guys are doing, which seems much more within the reach

600
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: of you know, the average guy or girl. So, um,

601
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: you guys are doing great work. Big props to you

602
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: guys for that. I've enjoyed falling along And um, I

603
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: guess related to that public land aspect, you mentioned that

604
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's a lot of what you're doing now

605
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: from a hunting standpoint. When did that start for you?

606
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: You've been hunting public land for pretty long time, is

607
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, Um, To be honest, I've been hunting

608
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: public since I since I started hunting when I was

609
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: really young. The first buck that I ever killed with

610
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: my bow, I think I was twelve, um, And I

611
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: could be off a year one way or the other there,

612
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: but I believe I was twelve, and that buck actually

613
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: walked off a public land with another one and onto

614
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: the edge of private land that I had permission to

615
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: hunt at the time, and uh, and I got a

616
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: shot at and been killed him. So we hunted that

617
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: that public land back home a ton when I was younger.

618
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: We spent a ton of time on it all the time,

619
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and we in back in those days it was much

620
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: easier to get permission on private land, so we also

621
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: had lots of private land to hunt. But you know,

622
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: when that permission started drying enough, as I got older

623
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: into my teenage years, hunting that public started to come

624
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: more of a priority, because you know, I didn't want

625
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: to quit, honey, so that was sort of the option

626
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I was left with in that particular situation. So I

627
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: started hunting more public and and uh got up here

628
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Kiowa in eleven and just kept on kept on doing

629
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: the same thing, you know, I mean I and and

630
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: the other guys in the officer the same way. Greg

631
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: came from eastern Nebraska and he hunted public there for

632
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: many years before coming here. And then Uh and Zach

633
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: Farrenbaugh Um from out in Ohio. He he hunted public

634
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: a lot out there with his friends and family before

635
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: coming here. So it was really just a natural fit

636
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: for all of us. And of course the interns that

637
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: come here and I want to be in the woods

638
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: all the time, most of them don't have access, so

639
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: it makes it nice and we can just go out

640
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: to a place where we're all equal and have a

641
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: level playing field and can store work as a team,

642
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: and it really works out good. Yeah, yeah, it seems

643
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: like a good situation. Especially to your point, there's if

644
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: you're willing to drive there. There definitely is quality public

645
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: land hunting available in a lot of states. I mean,

646
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: especially by you guys, there's there's some exceptional quality from

647
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: a public standpoint, But really, if you're willing to put

648
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: in the work in time looking for it, you can

649
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: find places most areas of the country you can get

650
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: out there at least and have a good experience. Um.

651
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious though, you know, in recent years I know

652
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you've killed and the other guys on the team have

653
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: killed some really nice bucks in public land. Um, and

654
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: I know pretty recently the last couple of years curtain

655
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But the last couple of years, I

656
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: think you've been pretty heavily influenced by guys like Dan Infalt,

657
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, guys that we follow and learned a lot

658
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: from two. Um, did you see a dramatic change in

659
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: your success after you started using some of these different tactics,

660
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: some of these betting area focuses and some of those

661
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: scouting tactics that Dan talks about. Or were you still

662
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: having the same type of success before that and this

663
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: is just changing a little bit of what you do. Um,

664
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: we had some success before, but it's definitely helped. And Uh,

665
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: one reason why I gravitate to Dan so much is

666
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: because I relate very much to his situation throughout his life.

667
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, and I'm sure a lot

668
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: of your listeners have listened to those podcasts that you've

669
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: done with Dan. They're awesome and uh, and learning from him.

670
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: You know, when he was younger, he sort of just

671
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: hunted hunted him to death. You know, he was just

672
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: out there all the time and eventually would would quote

673
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: unquote dumb into one, you know. And that's that's kind

674
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: of what the way we were prior to that knowledge.

675
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: We we spent I'm thinking, you know, throughout my younger

676
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: years and leading up to that point, before we started

677
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: concentrating on bed hunting, we spent most of our focus

678
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: on scouting still, but we scouted a lot of dough

679
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: betting areas. You know. We we always tried to find

680
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: local dough groups on these public lands and then we

681
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: would pretty much surround our entire strategy of round those

682
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: spots during the rut. Now, we we had success doing that,

683
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: just hunting strictly during the rut, you know, all day

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: every day for the entire month in November. That's the

685
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: advantage we have here. And I was you can bow

686
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: hunt throughout the entire rut um. So we did have

687
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: some success. But since the betting tactics have come along,

688
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: it sort of started flipping on these light bulbs in

689
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: these other times of the year especially and uh and yeah,

690
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: it definitely definitely helped them. Has had a big impression

691
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: on me for sure. Yeah. So so for those who

692
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe aren't familiar with some of these high level things

693
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Can you kind of tell us what

694
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: were those light bulb moments for you? What were these

695
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: you we've talked about, we've kind of alluded to some

696
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: bettings type stuff, but can you just give us a

697
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: little more details specifically what these things were that you

698
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: started focusing more on that that made these things start

699
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: working better for you. Well, a lot of the a

700
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of it was wind based buck betting. Um. When

701
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: I started figure and now that a lot of bucks

702
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: bed with the wind of their advantage, we were able

703
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: to to kind of confirm that theory very quickly, whereas

704
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: a lot of folks won't be able to do that.

705
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: And the reason being is because we have so many

706
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: years worth of footage here in the office. We have

707
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: so much whitetail footage from great process that we've got

708
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: all over the country. You know, we've got trail camera

709
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: images on you know, millions of us you're hearing on

710
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: our servers. So when I started learning that stuff from

711
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: Dan about how a buck beds, I started, you know,

712
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: checking back into all these previous experiences whenever we whenever

713
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: we would encounter immature buck filming mature buck, you know,

714
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: we started looking at all that previous footage and then

715
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: starting to kind of think where that buck is coming

716
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: from or where he's going to as far as his

717
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: betting locations go. And after after doing a bunch of that,

718
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: it started making sense to us. So I mean that

719
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: that was really when the light bulb came on. I

720
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: heard about it all at first. We actually did a

721
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: podcast with Greg Litzinger, I believe, and uh, he's a

722
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: he's a killer from up in the northeast part of

723
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: the country up in New Jersey, I think, and uh

724
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: he started, uh, he started bringing up those tactics in

725
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: a podcast, So we started researching more into it, and

726
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: I think, uh the betting stuff aside, the the part

727
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: about white tail hunting um that it really intrigues me

728
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: is it's very situational. No matter what you do. I mean,

729
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: you can you can hunt here an aislea on a

730
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: piece of public land and drive ten miles up the

731
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: road to another piece that hunts completely different. And it's

732
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: just because those deer are so adaptable, you know, and

733
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: they used that habitat and each one of these areas differently,

734
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: so being adaptable as a white tail hunter never being

735
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: become set in your way, so to speak, is gonna

736
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: help you kill more, dear, and people hear that as

737
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: a blanket statement all the time, but it is true.

738
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: Don't ever, don't ever think that you know, you're one method.

739
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: You might have one method that does work, but if

740
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: if you want to continue to learn more, especially learn

741
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: more about deer, then start trying some some other things,

742
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and uh, try some of these other off the wall

743
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: tactics that you hear. I mean, the betting stuff is

744
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: definitely it's it's definitely proved h to help us out

745
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: a bunch, you know. And in the lightbulb moment, I

746
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: guess we we we already had a lot of confidence

747
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: into it going into last year. But the lightbulb moment

748
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: for a lot of the viewers happened that the buck

749
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Nest video that a lot of folks that I'm sure

750
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: I've seen on the Midwest Light Tale show, you know,

751
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: up to that, up to that point, everybody kind of

752
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: looked at us like we were crazy. But then when

753
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: all these bucks started staying up out of these beds,

754
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: they're like, ohly, oh, like yeah, maybe these guys actually

755
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: are onto something. But yeah, yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. That

756
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: was some pretty ridiculous footage and encounters you guys had.

757
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Um So, so a couple of things. Number One,

758
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred and fifty on what

759
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: you just said there about the fact that you just

760
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: always need to keep an open mind and never get

761
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: set in your ways. I mean, if there's anything I've

762
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: learned from doing this podcast and talking to so many

763
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: different successful hunters, it's that there there's a thousand different

764
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: ways that skin the cat. You know, there's so many

765
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: different ways to go about hunting mature bucks, and and

766
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm always a big believer and take in every single

767
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: different opinion and perspective as you can, and then run

768
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: that through the filter of your own circumstances and find

769
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: whatever pieces and parts you can apply to your own

770
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: um So, it's it's great to hear that you've got

771
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: a similar philosophy on then obviously it's working for you.

772
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: Taking some things you've learned from your own experiences, some

773
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: things from these guys you've talked to, whether it be

774
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Dan or Greg or Bill or whoever, and kind of

775
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of mix it all together to get the Errand strategy,

776
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: which is always pretty cool to see um. Now, before

777
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: we get to the buck nest, you talked about the

778
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: wind based betting um, So this being how wind direction

779
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: might influence where buck chooses to bed. Can you elaborate

780
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: a little bit on that and what you found after

781
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: you started looking at your pictures and your videos, you know,

782
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: what was the correlation there um or what was the

783
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: aja specifically with the wind and how it influenced betting. Well,

784
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: we started looking through our pictures and we noticed that,

785
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: like every once in a while, say you're getting a

786
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: buck pretty regular on your trail camera. I'll just use

787
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: this and as an example. So you got a buck

788
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: that's living on your property, you're getting pretty regular on

789
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: one trail camera, and a couple of days and a

790
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: matter of weeks, you get him in daylight, you know,

791
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: almost doing something a little bit differently than he did

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: the the other times that you picked him up. Well,

793
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: the more we got to look at those images and

794
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: trying to measure like daylight activity and all this, we

795
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: we got to thinking, you know, maybe he's not necessarily

796
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: just being more daylight active that day. Maybe he's betting

797
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: closer to the dead gum camera, you know, I mean

798
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: maybe because that would make total sense. Why is he

799
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: showing up there in the middle of the night five

800
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: nights out of seven and then boom, all of a sudden,

801
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: he's here. You know, it's an hour before dark. Well,

802
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: we found is that a lot of times it depends

803
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: on their betting locations. You know, there's mature buck don't

804
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: for the for the most part, they don't move very

805
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: far during daylight. So if you're going to intercept them,

806
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: it makes sense to be hunting close to their betting locations.

807
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: If you can start to predict where those are as

808
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: far as wind direction goes, then you're obviously going to

809
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: have more success in my opinion. But yeah, we started

810
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: looking at those pictures and looking back at all that

811
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: footage and and everything, and then comparing historical weather data

812
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: and and going and using WonderGround to do that. But

813
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: that was what we were noticing is a lot of

814
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: these areas, not all of them, but a lot of

815
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: these areas bucks with bed in a specific area with

816
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: a specific wind, and a lot of a lot of

817
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: guys you'll hear talking about how bucks will move with

818
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: the wind of their advantage. I don't know enough about

819
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: that to say if that's true or not just for

820
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: my observation, but I will say that theory could come

821
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: from wind based betting. For example, if a buck is

822
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: bettered in an area on a northwest wind, and you

823
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: and every time there's a northwest wind, you know, you

824
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: see him moving through that area that you're hunting near it,

825
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe because he's betted in that area, Maybe because the

826
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: wind is putting in there so bad, not necessarily to move.

827
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So that makes a lot of sense. And

828
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: and and basically what I think you're saying too, is

829
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: that a buck is using the wind. When we're saying

830
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: that the wind is is kind of influencing them to

831
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: better specific places because they can use that wind to

832
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: their favor while they're bettered. So correct me if I'm

833
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on this, But I think most scenarios

834
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: that I see or hear about, you've got a buck

835
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: that's better than the location where he can look out

836
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: in front of him, and he's got the wind to

837
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: his back, so you can smell behind him, he can

838
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: see ahead of him, and that kind of gives them

839
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: three relatively three sixty degrees of safety. Um, is that

840
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing that you're either seeing or theorizing,

841
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: and when you think about it, all makes total sense.

842
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: When when is a mature buck most vulnerable, it's when

843
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: he's laying down during the day, not moving. I mean

844
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: a lot of your listeners, I'm sure, have been walking

845
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: through the woods and jumped to mature buck almost like

846
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: a rabbit out of a brush pile, you know, I mean,

847
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: right next to him. And Uh, the reason is is

848
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: because that's when they're That's when they're at their most

849
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: vulnerable point. So if they're not using their senses to

850
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: their ultimate advantage throughout the day when they're bedded, then uh,

851
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in trouble. I mean they're gonna get killed.

852
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing and Dan's talked about this a

853
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: lot too, but they always watched that back trail. Remember

854
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: they go into a bed or a betting area, they

855
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: always slip around and they're watching down a back trail

856
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: of some some sort. They're monitoring that somehow, And it

857
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: makes total sense. You know, when they walk in there,

858
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: they're laying down, sense, how is the predator going to

859
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: come in and get them? A lot of times that

860
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: predators gonna track them into that bed. And if they're

861
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: if they're turned around and they're watching down that trail

862
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: that they walked in on. They're gonna see a kyote

863
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: or a bobcat or mountain lion or whatever it is,

864
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: or you know, they're gonna see any of those predators

865
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: coming down the trail coming at them, and they can escape.

866
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Most of the best betting areas that we find are

867
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: set up like that. They've got covered back when coming

868
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: over the top of them, and then they're looking back

869
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: down that trail, and uh, the best locations offer great

870
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: escape routes for him, you know, where they can just

871
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: pop out of there and then not hardly be seen

872
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: and be gone in a way. But every time, and

873
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, habitat and training is gonna gonna dictate

874
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: how they bed and how they use an area, so

875
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: to speak. But the one consistent thing is they're always

876
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: betted with one to pack. I mean, if you find

877
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: a buck bed, you know with and and look at

878
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: how it shaped, you can usually tell which direction he's

879
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: laying by by looking at the shape of the bed.

880
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: And is a lot of your October hunting strategy now

881
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: revolved around knowing that you guys have I don't know

882
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: fifteen different potential buck betting locations. You guys have scouted

883
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: out now and you know the given winds that hypothetically

884
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: a buck would use them. So it's October seventeen maybe

885
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: and a coal front came through and you've got a

886
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: northwest wind. You know that there are three different beds

887
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: that potential beds that maybe there's a buck in there,

888
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: and you make a move based on that. Is is

889
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: that a lot of what your strategy looks like now? Yep?

890
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: It sure does. And the strategy is is different, only

891
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: changed because now we don't necessarily always hunt with the

892
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: wind to our advantage. We're looking just to hunt a

893
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: buck with the wind to his advantage. And that's another

894
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: one of those kind of general statements that you hear

895
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot. But that's what we need, is the wind

896
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: to the buck's betting advantage. Yep. So you're not actually

897
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: the you know, some people when they say that, they're

898
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: talking about the buck when it's on the move. So

899
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: saying like you mentioned earlier, like a buck wanting to

900
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: move with the wind in his face or quartering to him,

901
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: you're most more so concerned about how it influenced where

902
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: he beds. And then that is that's that's probably a

903
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: little bit of a safer bet as far as the

904
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: variable a better chance of that being accurate versus how

905
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: it moves, would you say so? Yep, Yeah, And we've

906
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: learned some interesting stuff just in the last few years

907
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: when we've when we've kind of switched our strategy to this.

908
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really changed how you look at

909
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: how you look at deer hunting period Um, when you

910
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: really when you really commit to this and see a

911
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: lot of people are still real skeptical about it, but

912
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: and the and they go out and they have trouble

913
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: finding the beds and everything. But when you really commit

914
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: to learning how they bet and how they survived during

915
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the day, you're gonna you're gonna figure out so much

916
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: about deer and deer hunting. It's it's unbelievable. Um, just

917
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: just how deer will will use your property, you know,

918
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: betting with the wind to their advantage, like that you

919
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: know where where that where's the pressure at on your property?

920
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: And uh, you know where are the betting areas? Don't

921
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: just look at don't just look at these little pockets

922
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: to cover like they're a betting area that you gotta

923
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: bounce around and hunt on all sides because the deer

924
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: may not be there but only a certain few days,

925
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: depending on depending on the wind. And really it makes

926
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: sense to pay attention to betting ears rather than you know,

927
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: travel or of course there's different times of focus on

928
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: different things. But the betting area is the is the

929
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: hub of a wheel. So at any given time, that

930
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: is the spoty is going to be the most And

931
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: if you know those locations, it's much more easy or

932
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: much more possible to start predicting how he might be

933
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: moving out from within that core spot. It's a lot

934
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: harder to start from the outside and try to figure

935
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: your way in. Um So, so here's what I want

936
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: to do. I want to try to break down this

937
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more with an example. Um but I

938
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: want to start like really high level and then drill in.

939
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the buck nest. But let's first

940
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: start like how what I'm curious about is how do

941
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: you find a quality piece of public land? How do

942
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: you start scouting a piece of public land? How do

943
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: you determine where the best places are within that piece

944
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: of public land? And then we'll start to talk about

945
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: hunting it. Actually, so with the buck nest. Example, if

946
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you're comfortable talking about that, can you can you talk

947
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: us through first, you know, how do you find a

948
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: spot like that? How did you figure out? Hey, this

949
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: is probably about worth spending some time on, and then

950
00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: we'll drill from there. Well, what's interesting is I think

951
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: most people have access to spots similar to that. UM.

952
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: You know, maybe can maybe it's not Iowa buck nests

953
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: where there's five, you know, four or five year old

954
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: bucks round around. So if you're hunting the Missouri, for instance,

955
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: in your and your target buck is a two or

956
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: three year old buck, you've got areas like that around.

957
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there there's not just one necessarily bucked nests

958
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: quote unquote that we have found. There's lots of other

959
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: areas that set up just like that, UM that probably

960
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: have similar situations. Now, whenever we went into that specific property,

961
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: it's a few thousand atures in size. So the first

962
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: thing you do is lay out the public map of

963
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: the area, and then you start because you're not where

964
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: all the access points are, UM, start looking at where

965
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: the pressure is. So you're looking for boot tracks, you're

966
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: walking those access trails, you're you're looking for you know,

967
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: tape in in the tree marking, um tax. Anything that's

968
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna mean mean hunters is what you want to stay

969
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: away from for the most part. Um. So you you're

970
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: taking that map and you're crossing off a lot of it,

971
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: but you can't umm kind I put this, You've you've

972
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: got to keep an open mind when it comes to

973
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: every inch of that public piece. So if that's a

974
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: couple of thousand acres in size, and you cross off

975
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the access points and the area is

976
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: most likely to to harbord hunters, then you still end

977
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: up with quite a bit of land that may be

978
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: untouched and a mature buck. The interesting thing with them

979
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: is they will go wherever they don't ever encounter humans.

980
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you'd be surprised. It may only be

981
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: thirty yards off of gravel Road because nobody goes there,

982
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: and they have that wind advantage on a specific day

983
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: or whatever, like, they may well bed there and and

984
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time right there. So and that's

985
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: really that's kind of how the buck nest is. That

986
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: area gets hounted. A lot of people think when they

987
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: watch the buck Nest video that that area doesn't get

988
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: a ton of hunting pressure, but it's actually the opposite.

989
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: If you watch the second video in that video box series,

990
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: you'll see hunters walk round or need to stand um

991
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: that night when they're headed out. But uh, there's tons

992
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: of hunting pressure on that piece. It's just one little, small,

993
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: out of the way area that those bucks bedding, and

994
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: there's a couple other ones like that on that public

995
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: area as well. So the I guess the point there

996
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: is is don't overlook. Don't overlook anything really. I mean,

997
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the more you learn about the more you learn about

998
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: buck betting in how they use that when to their

999
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: advantage and stuff, is gonna help you decide which one

1000
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: of those areas you're gonna spend time in. But don't

1001
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: overlook any single one of them. I mean, I've made

1002
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: that mistake ready in the last few years, is just

1003
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: walking by open hardwood hills to get back to the thickest,

1004
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: nastiest spot possible, when in fact that buck, the biggest

1005
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: buck on the property, may be betted in those open hardwoods. Um,

1006
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: if he is set up in the right spot with

1007
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: just a little bit of cover. And that's another thing

1008
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: that that folks miss. It does not take very much

1009
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: cover to back for a buck to feel comfortable. I mean,

1010
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: it can literally be a couple of multi floor rose

1011
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: bushes with a dead log land in front of it,

1012
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of wide open timber. He can bet

1013
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: up against that little patch of thick cover and look

1014
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: down wind. And if that's an area where nobody ever goes,

1015
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: it's possible that he may bed there. So don't overlook that.

1016
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: Don't ever overlook that stuff, um, you know, and it

1017
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: may not be like the buck. And that's where there's

1018
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: five of them that stand up out of there. That

1019
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: area itself is is a couple of acres in size,

1020
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: and it set up really well for buck betting, but

1021
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: you have just as much success in killing them. And

1022
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: those other areas that may only hand it may only

1023
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: have one or two, you know, it may only be

1024
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: able to hold one or two bucks. Now, was there

1025
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: was there anything that you saw when you're looking at

1026
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: this property, like before you set foot on it, like

1027
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: when you looked at on a map and we're looking

1028
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: for these pieces of public land and when you saw this,

1029
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 1: did you say, well, okay, it's a couple of thousand acres,

1030
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: it's definitely worth taking a look at. Or was there

1031
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: something else's that that made you say, yeah, this is

1032
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: a good one. What I'm I guess the larger question

1033
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is is there anything I can look

1034
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: at digitally beforehand to say yes, this has potential or no,

1035
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: this is not worth spending time on. Yeah, I should

1036
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: get more specificate in that. Like you've mentioned, um, if

1037
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: you if you take that piece and you and you

1038
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: look for the edges of it, you look for the

1039
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: areas that are hard to access, and then you look

1040
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: for the overlooked spots. You you kind of measure up

1041
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: each area to the next one. So the spots that

1042
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: we avoid are those chunks that are accessible from all sides.

1043
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: We don't and we don't I wouldn't say we necessarily avoid,

1044
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: and we just don't prioritize them as high as some

1045
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: of the other areas. You know, if there's an area

1046
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: where you can only access from one side of it,

1047
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: it's a huge block. You know, it's gonna take some

1048
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: serious leg work to get to the back of it.

1049
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: Then then those are the ones that we're spending the

1050
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: most time on. You know, those back corners. A lot

1051
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: of times of the boundary lines are are good, the

1052
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: ones that required you to to you know, cross the

1053
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: creek or whatever. We're always looking for access access barriers,

1054
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, are areas that are harder to get into.

1055
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: But with that said, a lot of times those than anymore.

1056
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: It seems like people are are getting braver and they're

1057
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: going back there that far. Well, they may walk right

1058
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: past the spot right next to the parking lot that's

1059
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: pretty dead. I'm good, and we do, we do see that.

1060
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes people try to think too big

1061
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: whenever they look at those big public areas and they

1062
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: look for they try to find biggest public area possible,

1063
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: and then look for the farthest back corner of that

1064
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: big area. And we do the same. But don't overlook

1065
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: these little thirty and forty acre chunks that have one

1066
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: access point where you can monitor hunting pressure. If you

1067
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: drive by that thing a couple of nights a week

1068
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: and you don't see a truck park there at that

1069
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: access point, there's probably a couple of good buck betting

1070
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: areas on that piece. And and the one advantage those little,

1071
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: those little areas like that is that they a lot

1072
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: of times they have private land around it may not

1073
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: get hunted. It's hard, so it doesn't take much Um,

1074
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Obviously it doesn't take much hunting pressure on those little

1075
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: areas to push them off, but it also doesn't take

1076
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: much of an absence in hunting pressure to bring him

1077
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: back on. Does that make sense? Yeah? Absolutely, Those little

1078
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: honey hooles very often like to exactly like you said,

1079
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: they get overlooked because people want the big, wide open

1080
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: areas that they think they could, you know, find some

1081
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: tucked away place. But sometimes the tucked away place is

1082
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: actually just a small property that everyone thinks the same thing.

1083
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: So your spot on I think. Now, Okay, so you

1084
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: you identified this several thousand acre pieces a good looking area. Um,

1085
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: you started kind of crossing off different access points or

1086
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: places that you didn't think would be as high priority

1087
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: because of, you know, the ability to get in there.

1088
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: How did you end up finding the buck nest? And

1089
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: how did you know that this was going to be

1090
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: a spout or did you did you know it's gonna

1091
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: be as good as its gonna be? Um? No, I

1092
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: found it by a lot of boots on the ground time,

1093
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: and that's usually what happens. We're getting better at it anymore.

1094
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: The more we learn about this, the more we can.

1095
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, you gotta you've really gotta research betting

1096
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: and how they bed, why they bed there. And the

1097
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: more you do that, the more time you spent thinking

1098
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: about that, the easier it's going to be from this

1099
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: point forward. But how I found the buck nest was

1100
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: actually using my old tactic where you just you go

1101
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: to a public peace and you walk the entire exterior,

1102
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: you walk the entire outside boundary, and you basically work

1103
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: in so you're looking. You're still looking for the same thing.

1104
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: You're looking for an overlooked spot are you're looking for

1105
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: an area that that doesn't get much human traffic. And

1106
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: I actually found the buck net. Let me think when

1107
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: it was, uh, I believe the summer. I was in

1108
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: there scouting in June, and I was walking a creek

1109
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: and I came up out of a creek and I

1110
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: jumped the giant buck um. He was just in the

1111
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: middle of this grass field, and uh, you know, he

1112
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: hadn't he wasn't fully grown, you know, aunt or wise

1113
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: at the time that I could tell it is a

1114
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: really big deer. So I kept that spot in mind,

1115
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, I figured, you know, why in the world

1116
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: is that deer all the way down in here? He's

1117
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: a mile a mile away from the nearest soybean field, which,

1118
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: as you know in southern Iowa, that's a huge girl

1119
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: in the summer or the soybean field. And I and

1120
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: it is. It was curious to me why he was

1121
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: so far away from one of those when that was

1122
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: where I was seeing all the deer. So fast forward

1123
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years, we hadn't been back into that spot,

1124
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: and I'm picking up trail camera photos about a mile

1125
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: from there of several bucks that I want to hunt,

1126
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: and all the photos are at night. But I was

1127
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: I started thinking more about the optimal spot for a

1128
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: buck to bed and where is a location on this

1129
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: property where nobody ever goes? And it hit me and

1130
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I jumped the biggest buck I've

1131
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: ever seen on this property a few years ago in

1132
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: that in that little CRP field back there, like so

1133
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: Zack and I that night when we checked the camera

1134
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: and we thought we had all nighttime pictures, that was

1135
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: and that's a mile away from the buckon mass Granted,

1136
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: we figured, man, they've they've got to be back in

1137
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: there somewhere. You know, they're coming from that direction. They're

1138
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: not getting here to the middle of the night, so

1139
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: they're not bedded anywhere close to this camera, so why

1140
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: waste any time right here? So we just go of

1141
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: all the way in and we went back there, and

1142
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: if you'll notice in the footage, we don't die straight

1143
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: into that spot. The first night, we we sit an

1144
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: observation stand and that's why we're able to watch all

1145
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: those bucks stand up. But the very first buck that

1146
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: we've seen was the big buck that I've been getting

1147
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures of a mile away, and he was

1148
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: in the same exact bed that I jumped that giant

1149
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: buck out of, you know, two years earlier, in the

1150
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: middle of the summer. So what was That's sort of

1151
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: how we found it. Okay, we're gonna take a quick

1152
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: break here for a word from our partners at White

1153
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: Tail Properties. And if you haven't noticed yet, with this

1154
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: seven we've been having each week the land specialist working

1155
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Speaker 1: for white Tail Properties, they are just incredible resources. And

1156
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, whether you're trying to better understand how to

1157
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: start preparing someday to buy property, or how to manage property,

1158
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: or just how to hunt it, you know, there are

1159
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: so many folks on their team that can help and Today,

1160
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: our producers spent some new hearth is with one of

1161
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: those very land specialists again this week with white to properties,

1162
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: we are drawn by Blake Farah, a land specialist out

1163
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: of Texas, and Blake is gonna be telling us about

1164
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: what a potential buyer should be looking for improperties in

1165
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: states like Texas and Oklahoma. You know, I think that

1166
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: it's probably pretty much the same answer no matter where

1167
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: you go, even if it's outside of Texas. You don't know,

1168
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: But the main three things I'm looking for in a

1169
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: piece of property, you know, to translate to you know,

1170
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: as big a white tail as you could possibly grow

1171
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: in the region, really is you gotta have good food,

1172
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: you gotta have good water, and you've gotta have good cover.

1173
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: And you know, the different regions of Texas offer a

1174
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: variety of those different type of categories. But at the

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01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you get a property that

1176
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: has a really good diversity of those three things and

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: has a good balance of all three of those things,

1178
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have it just an outstanding hunting property. And

1179
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna hunt differently depending on which region in Texas

1180
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: obviously that you're in. But at the end of the day.

1181
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: If it's got those three things, you absolutely can't go wrong.

1182
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: I'd say the one other key factor that I would

1183
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: also plug in there, specifically related to exes, is the

1184
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: fact that you know the land is gonna hunt much

1185
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: larger in Texas, I would say than maybe other different

1186
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: parts of the nation. Um, you've got a lot larger

1187
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: pieces of property. The deers, you know, range, how far

1188
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: they're going to travel is probably a lot bigger um.

1189
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, these places aren't necessarily you might

1190
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: find a honey hole here and there, but at the

1191
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: end of the day, you're gonna have a lot bigger

1192
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: country to hunt. And and that translates to the size

1193
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: of the neighbors that you're hunting around you, how cooperative

1194
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: you are with them, that kind of thing that's really

1195
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: going to translate to the good hunt ability of a

1196
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: property and overall age structure of the deer, which is

1197
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: probably the most important factor. If you'd like to learn

1198
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Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Blake currently has

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Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash Farah.

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Speaker 1: That's f A R R A R. So let's talk

1201
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: about why why do you think that that's such a

1202
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: great place for all these bucks to be better in there?

1203
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: What specifically other than the fact that it sounds like

1204
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: it's relatively unpressured, um, what else about that area? What's

1205
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: the terrain or the cover or what's drawing them there? Well,

1206
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: it's all surrounded by timber um trees that you can

1207
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: get a stand in, and uh, lots of other deer

1208
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: insulate them back there, like you have to bump deer

1209
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: to get back to them. So if you're not, if

1210
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: you're afraid of spooking deers, and this style definitely is

1211
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: for you. Um. But with that said, this is the

1212
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: one area where there's no trees, um. And I think

1213
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: that's simply it. There's no trees right there, so people

1214
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: can't hunt there. They won't hunt on the ground. Everybody

1215
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: that's in there has got a tree stand on their

1216
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: back or is is planning on hunting out of a

1217
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: tree stand that they hung prior to that. And it's

1218
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: surrounded on all sides by these big timbered hills that

1219
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: attract quite a bit of hunting pressure. And those hills

1220
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: hold a lot of sign too, And you can go

1221
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: through there in a good acorn. You're in their giant

1222
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: ruds ripped up everywhere. But what what makes that spot

1223
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: so good is those bucks are bedded right next to water.

1224
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I've noticed that a lot. They love bedding next to

1225
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: water or in very very close proximity to it. It

1226
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: can be a big body of water, a lake, upond,

1227
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: a creek or river or whatever. They love water. They

1228
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: love being close to it. And like I mentioned, there

1229
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: are no trees. Once you start trying to figure out

1230
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: how to hunt those bucks in the buck nest and October,

1231
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: it becomes really hard because you just can't get within

1232
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred yards of them in a tree stands,

1233
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: and they just don't they I think that's why they're there.

1234
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: It's because everybody's walking around the edges that that that's

1235
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: the RP field and they're hanging in those trees h

1236
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: or or way up in the big chimber where they're

1237
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,959
Speaker 1: finding a lot of that sign. But nobody's actually going

1238
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: down in there, or they very rarely are. When you

1239
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: look at it's just a grass field. You know, there's

1240
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: not really any other terrain change or habitat change other

1241
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: than the grass bucked up to a creek. And right

1242
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: there where that edge forms is where they like to

1243
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: bet and there's no trees along the edge of the

1244
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: creek that you can even get us stand in, so nobody,

1245
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: nobody ever goes in there now. And that's another misconception,

1246
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: is is uh, how far away people can be from

1247
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: those beds um without bumping them. And people walk the

1248
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: edge of that field all the time. I'm talking like

1249
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: two hundred yards and those deer they walk in and

1250
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: out of this public property in that field, but they

1251
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: don't ever go go back into that corner because there's

1252
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: nothing that they can hang a tree stand in. So

1253
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: just keep that in mind and think about that for

1254
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: any property that you're hunting, if you're trying to keep

1255
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: the pressure off, even on private land. When those bucks

1256
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: are betted, they they don't mind you walking two hundred

1257
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: yards away from mog times they don't know that you're there,

1258
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got the wind right to where

1259
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: they're beted at. But in this situation, they people walk

1260
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: and hunt the heck out of that timberline that's two

1261
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: yards away from those bucks. But it keeps them out

1262
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: of there. Those The lack of trees does interesting. So

1263
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: so I've seen I don't think I saw every one

1264
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: of your guys video blogs hunting back there, but I've

1265
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: seen I think most of them. Um. But for those

1266
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: that haven't seen that, can you walk us through your

1267
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: through the series of hunts that happened last year as

1268
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: you guys are trying to figure this out and trying

1269
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: to have a successful hunt there, what you did and

1270
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: what your thought process was as you made those adjustments.

1271
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: We basically, um, I already told you how we started

1272
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: there was you know, backtracking those bucks after getting the

1273
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures of them back to that location. And

1274
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: that initial hunt was set up by all the prior scouting.

1275
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: That's so crucial. You've got to walk these areas you um,

1276
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: You've got to spend a ton of time out there, Uh,

1277
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: just getting familiar with how the train lays, if nothing else,

1278
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: figuring out how you get in and out of those

1279
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: areas you know efficiently is is a huge deal. But

1280
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: after that initial hunt where we observed from a distance

1281
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: we watched those bucks stand up out of the beds,

1282
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: we started plotting ways to get in there tighter to

1283
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: them now. And on the next hunt we actually went

1284
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: in and we set up about a hundred yards from

1285
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: the beds on an exit trail where the first night

1286
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: we sat there, we watched one of the bucks walk

1287
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: right underneath this little tree along the edge of the field.

1288
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: So we went down in there and we we uh

1289
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: popped up in the tree, and it was a windy day.

1290
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't think we'd have been able to get two

1291
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: stands in the tree to film it if it would

1292
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: not have been windy. That was that was a huge

1293
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: deal because the wind was blown so hard. We're able

1294
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: to get up in that tree quiet and uh and

1295
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: kind of over top of that field where those bucks

1296
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: couldn't hear us or see us. As we were getting

1297
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: set up, we went up the back to the tree,

1298
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: got set up, and UH, I was doing my interview

1299
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: and I was pointing back there at the at the

1300
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: willow where I thought they were gonna bed. About five

1301
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: minutes after I did that interview, they both stood up

1302
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: right there and they were a hundred yards away. Um.

1303
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: That night we didn't get a shot. We had a

1304
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: nice younger buck that was bedded close to those to

1305
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: the mature bucks come by underneath this, but the mature

1306
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: bucks stay just out of range. I think they got

1307
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: about sixty yards, but that was as close as they

1308
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: as they got and ideally I would have liked to

1309
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: have been set up closer to them, but there was

1310
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: no tree. So the next time we just kinda we

1311
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: left the stands in the in the truck and said,

1312
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: to heck with it, We're going in there on the

1313
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: ground with gilly suits on. And there's a little waterway

1314
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: that runs down through the middle of that grass. And uh,

1315
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: the grass is too tall to shoot through if you're

1316
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: standing in your crouch, but that waterway is just short enough.

1317
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: Then it forms kind of a little edge there at

1318
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the deer like to walk out of their beds down

1319
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: this waterway to hit another patch of timber. So we

1320
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: set up along the edge of that waterway with gilly

1321
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 1: suits on, trying to trying to kill one of them,

1322
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, leaving their beds. And that night we got

1323
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: about fifty yards from them in their beds, but they

1324
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: they stood up and uh, actually had another but get

1325
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: up out of a out of a different bedding area

1326
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: to the I guess to be north of us, about

1327
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: fifty yards away, and he came by first. The problem

1328
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: was that he wasn't a buck that we wanted to shoot.

1329
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: We could have killed him, but um, we weren't hit well,

1330
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: we were just in the edge of that grass there,

1331
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: and uh, he kind of busted us a little bit

1332
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: and took off, and the mature bucks were out in

1333
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: the field. I caught a glimpse of one stand up

1334
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: and kind of start moving away from us, just feeding

1335
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: out there, browsing on on stuff. But they didn't really

1336
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: ever even spook when that dear spook, But they definitely

1337
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't come that direction. They eventually just kind of worked

1338
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: off the other way. It they would have got there first,

1339
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: it might have been a different story, but we took

1340
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: that chance. You know, we swung and we missed. And uh.

1341
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: Then I think our last hunt in there was in

1342
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: late November and during the rut and Seawan and Zach

1343
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: saw a pile of bucks in there running does and

1344
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: just couldn't get one close enough for a shot. During

1345
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: the rut like that, they weren't in the actual bed.

1346
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: Go back in there to that security and there was

1347
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: a handful of bucks in their honor, and they just

1348
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the chaos of the rut, they weren't

1349
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: able to get one close enough. But we tried multiple

1350
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: things to get in tight those bucks and kill one.

1351
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: It just didn't work out. I'm hoping that that we

1352
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: can get back in there again this year and maybe,

1353
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: uh maybe do something with them. But every time we

1354
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: sort of changed our strategy and we got close, we

1355
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: just didn't quite close the deal. As most of you

1356
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: know with bow hunting, that happened sometimes it does, so

1357
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: so us the game plan. Then this year, did you

1358
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: do any additional scouting anything in the off season to

1359
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: try to to put yourself in a better position this year,

1360
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: or you're just taking what you know and you're gonna

1361
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: try a few different hunting tactics. No, we did more

1362
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: scouting and I found a tiny little tree out there

1363
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: that if I was hunting by myself, I think I

1364
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: could maybe pulled off, or not just me, any of

1365
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: the guys were hunting by themselves, they could. But because

1366
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: we're filming, it's gonna be tough. However, if we get

1367
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: another one of those high wind days. It's a tree that,

1368
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, maybe five inches wide, and

1369
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: I think we can get a couple of stands in it,

1370
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: and if we are, if we're able to, we'll we'll

1371
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: be shooting twenty yards to a scrape that's located about

1372
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: sixty yards from the bedding, which is which is ideal. Um,

1373
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: that's right where those bucks headed the very first night

1374
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: we sat there. They went right to the point of

1375
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: little island out there to work for scrap. And if

1376
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: we can get into that tree without being busted, we'll

1377
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: be in uh in a great, great spot to skill one.

1378
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know if we if we can get

1379
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: in there without getting busted, if we're gonna get seen

1380
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: in the tree as we're setting up, or if if

1381
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 1: the tree is too small to afford us enough covered.

1382
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: It kind of depends on who the first bucket is

1383
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: that shows up. Yeah. Um, there's so many of them

1384
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: in there, that's the problems. But if a younger buck

1385
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: comes in first, then they may blow the whole deal.

1386
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: But yeah, a good problem to have, I guess, being

1387
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: so many bucks in there. Um yea. So well, here's

1388
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: a question I have related to when you're going there.

1389
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: When you go into hunt, you mentioned that you hopefully

1390
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: will have a windy day to go in there hunt.

1391
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: A lot of times when we are hunting, maybe some

1392
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: private land that we know there's not gonna be other

1393
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: people on it, Like I don't build lots of times

1394
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: will time some of his best you know, move into

1395
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: some of his better spots when he gets that cold front.

1396
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: There's some type of condition like that he wants, and

1397
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: that of a situation before he dies in there on

1398
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: public land, when you're dealing with a lot more hunting

1399
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: pressure and other people going in there all the time,

1400
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: are you still gonna wait for those conditions like that?

1401
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: Or do you have to get in there early and

1402
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: as soon as you can because you know other people

1403
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: will start messing these things up if you don't. We

1404
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: usually dive right in. Um we've scouted most of these areas.

1405
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: We've we've scouted the heck out of them, and we

1406
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: know where most of the betting is on. And some

1407
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: of them were more familiar with than others. The spot,

1408
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: the buckness spot in particular, we're very familiar with because

1409
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: we've spent so many years hunt in the immediate area.

1410
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 1: And what we noticed after we started putting more pressure

1411
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: on those bucks is they didn't leave. They just I

1412
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: mean they would eventually filter out. The very first day,

1413
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: there was a ton of bucks in there, but the next,

1414
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: the the next few times we went in there were

1415
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: fewer and fewer bucks. And then I also noticed that

1416
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: I started picking them up on different parts of the

1417
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: area on my other trail cameras, you know, at different

1418
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: times of the day. I started picking up one of them.

1419
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: I remember in daylight in the middle of October that

1420
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: we saw the very first night at the suck nest

1421
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: and never saw him back there again for the rest

1422
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: of fall. What I think happens there is they are

1423
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: eventually detecting us from where we're in there hunting them.

1424
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: But all they're doing is moving a few hundred yards

1425
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: and it's not really impacting the way that they're moving

1426
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: or behaving other than they're change in betting areas. Does

1427
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: that make sense, Yeah, it does, And that's what that's

1428
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: what we're seeing a lot of places too, Like we

1429
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: we dive right in to your point because of the

1430
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: added pressure. But you know, on public land, if they're

1431
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: dealing with that much pressure and you still can't push

1432
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: them out of there, I don't. I think a lot

1433
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: of folks on private land that are hunting super careful,

1434
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: are almost too careful, you know what I mean, because

1435
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: they have they have so many betting areas and sanctuaries

1436
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: on their property. If we're seeing bucks move, but not

1437
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: pick up and leave the county, the country. I mean

1438
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: that every situation is different, like we talked about earlier.

1439
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: But um, that is one thing that we have noticed

1440
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot. Is they just what they detected. You're there,

1441
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: They'll just go to the next best spot. Yeah, speaking

1442
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: of different betting areas, did you find with the buck nest?

1443
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: Was that wind based at all? Did you find them

1444
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: there on a certain way and bangs others or was

1445
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: it it was this was just such a great spot

1446
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: or the only really good spot that they were there

1447
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: regardless of wind direction. No, it was wind based. Um

1448
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: for the most part, I hunted it was mostly a

1449
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: westerly wind. Um a northwest wind or a west wind

1450
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: was best for that location. I hunted it a couple

1451
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: of times on the south and we did see mature bucks,

1452
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: but they weren't In many cases, they weren't right there

1453
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: in the same beds. They were in the general area,

1454
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, but they might have embedded a couple hundred

1455
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: yards away from that exact spot. The advantage of that

1456
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: location is we can get an observation stand and we

1457
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: can watch the whole thing. And on the south wind days,

1458
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: they weren't right there in those bed by the willow tree.

1459
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: I'll just use that as a marker. But yeah, I

1460
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: mean on the on the northwest wind days, they were there,

1461
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: gotcha every time. And that's gonna differ, you know, spot

1462
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: to spot, you just gotta you just gotta scout it

1463
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: and and try to think inside out, like you talked

1464
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: about earlier with the wheel. Yeah, you mentioned earlier with

1465
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: this spot in particular the fact that you would have

1466
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: to bump deer getting in there. There's a lot of

1467
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: deer in between however you had to get in and

1468
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: this betting area. Um. With that being said, I still

1469
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: know that you guys do take some particular care when

1470
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: it comes to access. I remember watching one of your

1471
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: videos that you guys waited extremely long time after the

1472
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: deer moved through after dark and then didn't get back

1473
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: to your truck till like twelve thirty at night. Um,

1474
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: can you talk about your access situation on this and

1475
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: the different ways you found to get in and out

1476
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: of there with at least minimizing the impact you're making. Yeah, well,

1477
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: that's that particular situation you're talking about. We actually had

1478
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: one of those bucks in the buck ness coming bed

1479
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: right underneath to stand he was laying there. He was.

1480
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: He actually came in right after camera light and it

1481
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been right after the

1482
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: end of legal but I could see him. He came

1483
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: in and he laid down right there. So Zach and

1484
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: I set up in the street, and we were thinking

1485
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: to ourselves like can we wait all night? And then

1486
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, making Yeah. But we we sat there for

1487
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: a few hours and we got to thinking like, no,

1488
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: this ain't. We got to get out of here, you know,

1489
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: we just didn't want to spooking. But eventually we heard

1490
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: him get up and kind of meander off. Um, and uh,

1491
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was. He could have been

1492
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: within thirty yards of us when we climbed down, but

1493
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: it took us about an hour to get from the

1494
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: end of the base of the tree and then sneaking

1495
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: out of there. So yes, we are very cautious about

1496
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: entering and exiting those areas, but mainly just really close

1497
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: to the bedding. Um, when we gotta go somewhere that's

1498
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: a mile two miles back in we don't mess around

1499
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: for the first, you know, two thirds of the trip.

1500
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: But when we get in there, really tight to the beddings.

1501
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 1: We we're going into snail's pace. I mean you're stepping

1502
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: over twigs, making sure that you don't snap them. You're

1503
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: waiting for the wind to gust so that you can

1504
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: move some of these areas in timber, Like if you're

1505
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: hunting hardwood timber, for instance, and you're going into a

1506
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: bedding location, you want you want it to be windy

1507
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: and wet is ideal. And uh if it's not, if

1508
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: you're going in for like an evening hunt and the

1509
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: leaves are crunchy and it's pretty calm mid afternoon, you're

1510
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna be able to get real close

1511
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: to those those bedding locations because they're just gonna hear

1512
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: you before you get there. Um, but we do. We

1513
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: we go in a lot of times in the middle

1514
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: of the night, almost like uh, two or three o'clock

1515
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm a pretty firm believer and going

1516
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: in from morning hunts way ahead of daylight because I

1517
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: think deer can see you better at gray light than

1518
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: they can when it's dark. And uh, and and getting

1519
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: our stands set up, you know, about thirty minutes before

1520
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: that gray light even hits. And using those headlamps that

1521
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: we use. That's a That's another big thing, um as

1522
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: far as access goes, when it's when every single hunt

1523
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: we use those headlamps in and out and we're always

1524
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: waiting for the cover of darkness before we're going in

1525
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: or or going out on an evening hunt. We're always

1526
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: going in in the dark in the morning, and I

1527
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: think that has has something to do with with our success.

1528
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: That's what I did that morning that I killed the

1529
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: my buck last fall. The redder green lens head lamp

1530
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 1: for something that or what specifically you're using there. Yeah,

1531
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: we're using one of the uh Cabella's Princeton Tech head

1532
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: lamps and the one the one we've all got is

1533
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: the green beam that switches to the brighter white beam.

1534
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: But the green I definitely don't think they can see

1535
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: it if it's the pitch black dark, and to be honest,

1536
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: I think they have a heck of a time seeing

1537
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: the white beam. Um. I just I'm not real certain.

1538
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: I did a podcast not long ago on this and

1539
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: and trying to research more about deer vision and that

1540
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But from my experience, I've got a

1541
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: deer close enough to touch in the dark with these

1542
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: light songs. If you're in a spot where you know

1543
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: you're not making a lot of noise and you're you've

1544
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: got covered. They'll walk right pie you where I know

1545
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: for a fact that ain't gonna happen during the day.

1546
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna pick up and they're gonna look

1547
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: at you. Um, especially at gray light. UM. Gray light

1548
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: is that that's the time when you want to be

1549
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: set up or almost waiting in your truck to walk in.

1550
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you want to be walking

1551
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: in a gray light in most situations. I just every

1552
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: time we do that, with the head lamps on or

1553
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: without them, we get we get busted. It seems that's

1554
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: when dear most active, and and I think that's when

1555
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: they can see the best. It's my personal opinion, but

1556
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: we always use darkness to our advantage if we can. Yeah,

1557
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I always try to get

1558
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: in there super early in the mornings and set up. Um.

1559
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: And especially when you're in a situation like I think

1560
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: you guys are in most cases, and many times I

1561
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: am too. And that's when you're setting up, when you're

1562
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: running gunning, when you're setting up a new stand or

1563
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: two stands in your guys case um, right then for

1564
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 1: that hunt, um, And that's a challenge in the morning,

1565
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: in the darkness, and that's a challenge, you know, in

1566
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: the middle of the day when you're setting up for

1567
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: an afternoon hunt. Can you talk about some of the

1568
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: things that you guys have learned about how to hang

1569
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: and hunt in a somewhat efficient way without spooking dear,

1570
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: any tricks or specific methods you guys have to get

1571
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: in there, uh, without blowing it all up. Well, you've

1572
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: got to make sure that all your dear is sound um,

1573
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: sound proof before you go in, and like, don't just

1574
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: don't just kind of half fast your sticks onto your stand,

1575
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, don't don't just wrap them around

1576
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,879
Speaker 1: there and then have them clanking and falling off and everything.

1577
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: Really take the time to make sure everything is fashioned,

1578
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,919
Speaker 1: fastened and secure. You've got a good set of straps

1579
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: because you've got to be comfortable. And that last little

1580
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: bit when you're getting to the tree with that stand

1581
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: on your back and it can't be making any noise.

1582
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean they there's lots of little products out there

1583
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: that you can use to help dampen the sound on

1584
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: your stands Um, stealth strips or one of them. They're

1585
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: really cool little product that you can you can put

1586
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: on like your platform, um, you know, your your seat

1587
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: bar and everything in case that you have a buckle

1588
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: clank against that or something, you want those stell strips

1589
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: on there to dampen that sound. Um. And then we

1590
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: use we use those uh, those rope can sticks, those

1591
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: climbing sticks with the ropes for muddy and that is

1592
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: a huge advantage having something with fewer buckles, anything with

1593
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: the less metal of the better for the most part

1594
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to get when it comes to your gear,

1595
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and those go up very quickly,

1596
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: very quietly, without without any metal on metal contact. We're

1597
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: always trying to avoid that. And and really it sounds

1598
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: like a huge shore to hang two stands and all

1599
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: that gear in the tree. It's not that hard. It's

1600
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: just time consuming because there is two of us there.

1601
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 1: So we have a we have kind of a little system.

1602
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: You know, one of us will go up, we'll hang

1603
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: the initial stand and then the next guy will send

1604
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff up so that you're not

1605
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: going down and back that sort of thing. But having

1606
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: a good lineman's belt, uh, Lineman's rope is probably probably

1607
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: like the number one thing when it comes to hanging

1608
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: a tree, stand by yourself, we're with somebody else for

1609
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: that matter, you need a Lineman's rope to go around

1610
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: the tree so that you can lean away from the

1611
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: tree and use both hands to get to stand up.

1612
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: It's just it is so much easier to do it

1613
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: that way. If you're going to be serious about doing

1614
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: any amount of hanging and hunting, you want Aligneman's belt

1615
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 1: of some sort or a Lineman's rope. Very true. Speaking

1616
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: of the of the of the ropes too, I agree

1617
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: with what you mentioned about the muddy sticks. I really

1618
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: do love that rope camp system. That is to your point.

1619
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: It's it's super quiet. It's a little bit letter weight too,

1620
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: I think, and just anything anytime I can eliminate the

1621
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: chance of that metal and metal contact, man, I'm gonna

1622
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: do it. And that that's a huge because I feel

1623
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: like there's other sticks I use too, and I like

1624
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: other picks. But you've got those buckles swinging around. If

1625
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: by chance that comes off somehow, or when you try

1626
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: and get all set up, just any little variable you

1627
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: can put in your favor. I like to do that,

1628
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: and that's one piece of gear that while there's lots

1629
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: of other good options, when I have my that's my

1630
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: number one set of sticks. If I have to go

1631
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: in to the best spot and off all my sticks

1632
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: are available, I'm grabbing the rope sticks because it's just

1633
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: one more thing I don't need to worry about. So Yeah,

1634
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: they go in and come out with us every time,

1635
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, and most of the time the stands come

1636
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: in and out too. Um. We we usually hunt just

1637
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: the same too, muddy stands all year. You know. We

1638
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: may have eight trees picked out, but pretty much at

1639
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: the time we're hanging and hunt. Yeah. No, speaking of

1640
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: stand locations and stuff. Um. You know, we talked a

1641
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: lot about the buck nest and we've talked about some

1642
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: of the different things you know, hunting these buck betting areas. Um.

1643
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people and I think a

1644
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of your hunts that we've been talking about have

1645
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: been taking place in October around buck by in areas.

1646
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: But once we shift into November and those rut phases, Um,

1647
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: are you still keying on those same types of spots,

1648
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: or do you guys have a different rut strategy for

1649
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: your public parcels um for the rut. We we we're

1650
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: extremely mobile, and mobile does not just mean standing stix

1651
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: on your back. That means checking out tons of different

1652
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: public areas. So in the rut, we've already scouted all

1653
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: these areas. We kind of know where the deer like

1654
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: to hang out or whatever. But what we'll do, especially

1655
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: in the early part of the rut, is we'll just

1656
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: drive around and monitor pressure, or we'll hang and we'll

1657
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: have trail cameras in late October in spots that are

1658
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: set up to monitor hunting pressure, and some of those

1659
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: do get stolen, as you can imagine on public but

1660
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: we want to monitor where hunting pressure is at during

1661
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: the rut as much as possible because that's when hunting

1662
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: pressure is at its highest point. Now I'm gonna I'm

1663
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna really drill on that. During the rut is when

1664
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: pressures at its highest point. So that means if you

1665
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: find a spot where there's no hunting pressure, guess what's

1666
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: gonna be happening right there? Those bucks will have pushed

1667
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: that estraus dow in there and they're gonna have her

1668
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: corral in that one spot where they they haven't been

1669
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: harassed and you can have some insanely awesome hunts during

1670
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: the rut on public land. That pressure works to your advantage.

1671
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: Most of those most of those folks are just bumbling

1672
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: around the woods or whatever, you know, hunting designed the

1673
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: big timber Um. In our situation, there's a lot of nonresidents,

1674
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: and I would I that's you. That's wrong for me

1675
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: to say they're bumbling around the woods, because they do

1676
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: have a lot of success most of the situations we've

1677
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: had with non residents. They're pretty hardcore, skilled hunters that

1678
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: that do very well here. But the advantage we have

1679
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: is that we know these properties so well and we

1680
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 1: can bounce around and see which parking lots are getting

1681
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: the most pressure. I mean, we spend more time looking

1682
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: at entry roads for rush tire tracks. Will take a

1683
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: rake or our foot and we'll brush the dirt over

1684
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: the end of that road before we leave, and then

1685
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: check it again in two days. And if there's no

1686
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: new tracks over that spot where we where, we sort

1687
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: of rake the dirt over. We know nobody's been there

1688
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days, and it doesn't take

1689
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: much in the rut. Like I said, the absence of

1690
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: pressure earlier the absence of pressure in the rut. If

1691
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: you just have a few days where there's an absence

1692
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: in hunting pressure, it can really benefit you. I mean,

1693
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: those deer will move right in there. And uh. And

1694
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: at times if we if if we just can't find

1695
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: a place that's not getting hammered, or if it is,

1696
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: even if there's a lot of hunters in there, we'll

1697
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: just put a stand on our back and we'll just

1698
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: scout and hunt. You know, we'll have our bow in

1699
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: hand and we'll move quietly through the woods trying to

1700
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and we're constantly looking for boot tracks and

1701
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But a lot of times you

1702
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: can bump into those dear when they're running. If you

1703
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: bump into that dough or those bucks or whatever, yeah,

1704
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna spook them and they're gonna move. But if

1705
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: you see them, then you see the direction that they go,

1706
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: and you have all those other betting areas scouted. A

1707
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: lot of times you can make a play on them.

1708
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: You can just you can cut around them and then

1709
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: set up in the area that they or the direction

1710
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: that they headed. Because I mean, if you think about it,

1711
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: she's in heat. If you bump a big buck with

1712
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: the dough she's in heat, and chances are he's not

1713
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: the only one that knows. So you want to go

1714
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,839
Speaker 1: where she's going, even if she's running away from you spooked.

1715
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: That's where you want to end up is in that

1716
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: in that same area, And we we've had a lot

1717
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: of success doing that as well, just cruising around on

1718
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a windy day with stands on her back until we

1719
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: bump into some deer and then setting up now other

1720
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: than other than actually seeing deer, what stuff would you

1721
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: then look for? Otherwise? Do you pay attention to you

1722
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: know sign and set up on that or are you're

1723
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: just looking for lack of hunter sign or just a

1724
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: terrain funnel other than bumping it? What's gonna make you

1725
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: hang a stand? No, we look at doe betting a

1726
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: lot um. We we concentrate on scouting dough betting at

1727
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: all times of the year, including buck betting, you know.

1728
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: And one one thing we've noticed with doz is there

1729
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: they're much more They seem to be homebodies much more

1730
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: than bucks do. Bucks are more nomadic at times, especially

1731
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: when they're younger, but a dope family group will live

1732
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: in one spot for you know, a long period of time,

1733
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and you can predict that now if you're hunting that

1734
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: spot quite frequently. If everybody knows how um ornery those

1735
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: mature does are and how good they are walking out

1736
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: of the bedding and staring straight up in your tree

1737
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and picking you off time after time after time. That's

1738
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: because they live there and they have adapted to your

1739
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: presence there. That doesn't mean that they have to walk

1740
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: down past your stand or not stand there stomp and

1741
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 1: blow at you. So when when we find those bill

1742
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: betting areas like that, we we stay off of them

1743
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: until the rut, until we get a situation where we

1744
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: can hunt maybe an edge feature on the down wind

1745
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 1: side of bill betting, or maybe there are maybe at

1746
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: the morning hunt, you might want to hunt entry trails

1747
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: in between bedding and food on along a doe betting

1748
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: area doesn't necessarily have to be on the down wind side,

1749
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: because you know that's not always always the case, but

1750
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 1: we are usually associating our hunts during the rut with

1751
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: bill betting, and that makes sense. Um. I want to

1752
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: hop back to something you mentioned a little earlier ago

1753
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: that I that I wanted to get a little more

1754
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: clearance on or clarity on which was using your trail

1755
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: cameras to monitor hunting pressure. Can you elaborate specifically, Are

1756
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: you just setting up one camera on the main trail

1757
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: coming out of each parking lot or how how are

1758
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: you doing that? Um? Yeah, I mean that's that's a

1759
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 1: way to do it, and we've definitely done that before

1760
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: most of the time. The ideal set up is if

1761
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: you follow that trail in, you pull up to your

1762
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: general your generic public land piece, you know, the parking

1763
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: lot there, and then there's the walking trail in. You

1764
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: hop on that walking trail and you walk back far enough,

1765
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe you come across the scrape that's right along the

1766
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: edge of that walking trail. That's pretty common thing to find.

1767
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: And when we find that, we'll hang and lock a

1768
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: camera to a tree over that straight and you'd be

1769
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: surprised how many big bucks you'll get on that straight.

1770
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: They'll be there in the middle of the night most

1771
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: of the time because it's real close to the pressure.

1772
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: But they've adapted to the pressure to the human scent

1773
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: on that road, and that's why they don't show up

1774
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: there until one in the morning. But that's what we'll

1775
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: do in the ideal scenario is hanging over a scrape

1776
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: for a trail like that that intersects with the walking trail,

1777
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: so we can monitor those bucks in the middle of

1778
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: the night kind of see who's around, and we can

1779
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: also monitor who's walking in and out of there. Now,

1780
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta be creative when it comes

1781
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: to camouflaging those cameras or they're gonna get stolen, you know,

1782
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: or use if you use a lock box, that definitely helps,

1783
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: or if what we've been doing more and more lately

1784
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: is using those rope cameras climbing sticks and just climbing

1785
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: two or three sticks up in a tree and then

1786
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: shim and the camera so that it points down at

1787
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: that trail on that and that's great, so there's its

1788
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: way above them. You know, they're on their way in

1789
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: for a hut most of the time, and they look

1790
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: up in the tree and see that camera. They may

1791
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: not go to the effort of climbing all the way

1792
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: up there and grabbing it. And um, to be quite frank,

1793
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: used cameras that aren't super expensive on public those those

1794
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 1: won't get stolen near as often as you know, you

1795
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: you put one of those expensive trail cameras out there

1796
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: and it don't It won't matter if you lock it

1797
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: or not. If they figured they figure out that the

1798
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: four camera, they may come and steal it at some point,

1799
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Like they'll make a point of going to the house,

1800
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: getting bolt cutters, coming back out there and taking it,

1801
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: whereas they won't do the same thing with a cheaper camera.

1802
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: And if you do lose an eighty dollar camera, it's

1803
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: not quite the same, uh, not quite as bet of

1804
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: a bullet to take if you lose that five. So right, yep, Now,

1805
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: what about your trail camera just just outside of monitoring

1806
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. Um, we're talking just trying to understand, dear,

1807
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: are you just are you doing the same type of

1808
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: things scrapes and um, you know, well used trails or

1809
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: anything else as far as setting them up or how

1810
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: often you check them, when you check them throughout the season,

1811
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Well, we kind of separate that

1812
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: into two categories. We call it short term and long

1813
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: term trail camera strategy. Um, I'm a huge fan of

1814
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: long term trail camera strategy. What that is is this

1815
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: time of year when we're doing our last bit of

1816
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: scouting or in midsummer, you know, July, early August, when

1817
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: we're going into those betting areas, we're going in there

1818
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 1: and we're diving in. We're scouting the heck out of

1819
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,719
Speaker 1: those during that time of year to try to figure

1820
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: out our plan for the fall, and then we're not

1821
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: going back in there until shed season. And those are

1822
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: my favorite camera setups. We'll put them in the betting

1823
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: area most of the time. When you're in the middle

1824
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: of these betting areas, you're gonna find hot scrapes, you know.

1825
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: You can hang them over deer beds, you can hang

1826
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: them over trails entering and exiting the betting area. And

1827
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: we're not afraid to put the camera there in early

1828
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: August and leave it up for the entire fall, you know,

1829
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back in during shed season, and

1830
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: you can learn so much from that falls trail camera

1831
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: pictures for the next year, and you can learn more

1832
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: that way on just general dear behavior, you know, as

1833
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: a whole, maybe not just the bucks in your specific area,

1834
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: but you can learn so much about about dear behavior

1835
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: and cross and then check it with the historical weather

1836
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: data from that fall and compare those uh each every

1837
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: day with your trail camera photos, and you you'll start

1838
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: to see patterns emerge that helped you capitalize on killing

1839
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: bucks later down the road. Um, then the short term

1840
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 1: trail camera strategy are the ones that we're checking, the

1841
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: one that this is the strategy everybody likes because it's

1842
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: the one that they get to check every week or

1843
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 1: two weeks, you know. And and those are the ones

1844
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 1: that I just mentioned where we hang them most of

1845
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the time over scrapes. Scrapes are pretty ideal. And that's

1846
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: the misconception with scrapes is that, uh, we'll hang them

1847
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: over scrapes early in the season. You know, they tend

1848
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: to travel through those areas still and use that licking

1849
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: branch at all times the year. Um, they may not

1850
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: use it nearest frequently as they do and in October,

1851
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, after develop comes off and their testosterones going up,

1852
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: but they still tend to travel through those areas. You

1853
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: can get a scrape or a licking branch scrape area

1854
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: that is in a spot where several trails meet. That's

1855
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: the ideal and most of the time where we're looking

1856
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: for in the short term strategy, there is the spot

1857
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: that other hunters are are going to be you know,

1858
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that the chance to have a

1859
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: buck coming by that scrape and daylighter, real slim. But

1860
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: the good thing with the other hunters in the human centres,

1861
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 1: they've sort of adapted to that, so they still will

1862
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: come and check the scrape and then you backtrack them

1863
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: to their bedding areas that you've already pre scouted. But

1864
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: those cameras we're not. We don't worry about control anything

1865
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: like that, and we check them once every two weeks,

1866
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, just to get a bearing on what bucks

1867
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: are in the area and are you going in there

1868
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: specifically just check that camera or are you trying to

1869
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: time it to go with a hunt when you already

1870
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 1: passed by there, or do you wait for rain or

1871
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. Now, Um, we do time it with

1872
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: the hunt a lot of the time. Um, we'll we'll

1873
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: go buy it with the stand on on our back

1874
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: in the laptop in our backpack or something, and we'll

1875
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: check it and we'll see what what's been there in

1876
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: the last few days and kind of see which direction

1877
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: a buck may or may not have been coming from,

1878
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, and really, when you when you scout an

1879
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: area completely and you try to understand every betting area,

1880
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: even trail camera pools where you don't get any pictures

1881
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: of target buck can be beneficial, because that's actually what

1882
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: led us to the buck mass last year. We checked

1883
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: that camera and we didn't have a buck on there

1884
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: for the last ten days, and we're like, you know,

1885
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: is it that early October time frame when the bucks

1886
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: are kind of shifting around or moving around a little bit,

1887
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: And we we thought to ourselves, well, if they're not

1888
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: here right now, they've gotta be somewhere else. You know,

1889
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: they were here during the summer, now they're not, So

1890
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: that crosses off a lot of those betting areas in

1891
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: proximity to the camera. So really, you learn you can

1892
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: you can learn something from every single trail camera pool

1893
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: that you have and the ones that don't have bucks on. Okay,

1894
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna pause here for our final break of the

1895
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: episode and a word from our partners at the White

1896
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America. And if you're planning food

1897
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: plots this fall, hopefully you already have that seed in

1898
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: the ground or at least have a plan in place,

1899
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 1: but if not, today we're gonna hear about a great

1900
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: option for you to consider for this fall in your

1901
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: food plots and Spencer, New Hearth. We'll take it from here.

1902
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,880
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1903
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,519
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1904
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: Peer Attraction, which will have dear hammering your food plot

1905
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: all season if you're attracts. Is one of our annual

1906
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: Forge products that's designed for planning in the fall. Uh,

1907
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: and I would not be overstating it to say that

1908
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: it has brought us a lot of customers. It's dynamite stuff.

1909
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,480
Speaker 1: There are two main parts to it, and the advertising

1910
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: guys say it's a one to punch, but basically you've

1911
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 1: got early fall uh. And primarily that's gonna be white

1912
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: tail white tail oats, which is an old variety that

1913
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: we were all did to buy some some researchers that

1914
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: was so they were doing a grain production trial and

1915
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: so attractive the deer that they had to had to

1916
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: pull it out of the trials. And we tested it

1917
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: and also found it to be very cold tolerant. That's

1918
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: for early fall moves into the later fall and then uh.

1919
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: The other part of it is the White Tail Institute Braskas,

1920
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: which come up very quickly and the deer will start

1921
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,719
Speaker 1: hitting them. Uh, they'll get even sweeter with the first

1922
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: frosts of fall. So it's the one two punch that

1923
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: takes you from fall all the way through the dead

1924
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 1: of winter. It is. It is absolutely one of our

1925
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: our big sellers and one of the neat things. Other

1926
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: neat things besides it being extremely attracted deer is with

1927
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 1: the droughts we've been having in the fall, people who

1928
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: have realized that the white Tail oates oates plus will

1929
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: will come up and provide a good nurse crop with perennials.

1930
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: And for that reason, we've had folks asking us can

1931
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: we take the oats and take white Tail Institute Braskas

1932
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 1: and plan them together. And the neat thing about this

1933
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: is you don't have to. We've already done it for

1934
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: you and we've are testing has shown that the ratios

1935
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: in that product are optimum to provide maximum attraction. If

1936
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: you'd like more info on White Tail Institute's forage products,

1937
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,759
Speaker 1: check out white Tail Institute dot com, where they also

1938
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:18,440
Speaker 1: carry some of the top supplements, attractants and herbicides available.

1939
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: How many cameras do you like to try to have

1940
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: on a public piece or I don't know, on a

1941
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 1: per acreage I mean, if is it one camera per

1942
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: public part property or do you try to have you know,

1943
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: one per acres, hundred acres or anything like that. Oh,

1944
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: ideally you'd like to have one for two acres, but

1945
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: that it's just not possible to do. I mean, if

1946
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: you're hunting various public spots and some of the heat

1947
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: cameras or three quarters of a mile in means your

1948
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 1: whole life and job would just be trail cameras. So

1949
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: what we shoot for is just a one per area

1950
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: on every area. We'll try to find a good community

1951
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: scrape that we expect about to be using at night,

1952
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: and uh so it's one that we will go in

1953
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 1: and check frequently, and we'll we'll ideally get a lot

1954
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: of the bucks in that area. You know, maybe only

1955
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 1: just a picture or two of them, but we're not

1956
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: particularly worried about it. Just as long as they're around,

1957
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: we know the betting areas that there that they could

1958
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: be using or likely are using. This one per area.

1959
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I would say we probably only run six to ten total, okay,

1960
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 1: throughout you know our whole I mean we've got I

1961
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: don't know a dozen public plan pieces that we hunt,

1962
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: so about one per Okay, so zooming out a little

1963
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: bit here. I mean, we we've covered a whole lot

1964
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: of different things as far as different parts of the season,

1965
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: how you're finding these places, how you're hunting these places,

1966
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: how you're getting in out um from your experiences so far,

1967
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: and then kind of from the outside talking to so

1968
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: many other hunters about some of these things. What do

1969
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 1: you think is is probably the biggest mistake people are

1970
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: making when they either consider hunting public land or when

1971
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: they start hunting it. What's where people getting tripped up

1972
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: there the most? You think, can they consider hunting it

1973
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 1: or start hunting it? Mm hm? You think here, probably

1974
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: the amount of scouting time, let's say, has a has

1975
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 1: a big deal or a lot to do with it,

1976
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: um And and it's it's possible for you to go

1977
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in and just hunting area and have success, but most

1978
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: of the deer that we're killing or getting on, we're

1979
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily just walking in there, you know and picking

1980
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: a spot. The scouting is such a huge deal, and

1981
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 1: not just boots on the ground scouting, but you know,

1982
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: lots and lots and lots of areal scouting. That would

1983
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: be the number one thing. And and the second thing

1984
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: would be the typical stuff that you that you see

1985
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 1: people sit and field edges and that sort of thing.

1986
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 1: When they look at an aerial photo, they'll think, well,

1987
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: here's a food stores. There's gonna be deer around it,

1988
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: and they're probably here, but there may not be a

1989
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,480
Speaker 1: mature buffer on it. Yeah, and and they get intimidated

1990
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: by the pressure. You mean, I was gonna ask have

1991
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: you found in all your public land experiences? Because to

1992
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: your point, I think a lot of people assume that

1993
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna hunt public land, you're gonna be dealing

1994
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 1: with other hunters all the time. It's gonna be paying

1995
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: the butt. It's not gonna be as much fun because

1996
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: you're dealing with other people messing up your hunts. Have

1997
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: you found that to be the case? Or is it

1998
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 1: not as bad as a lot of people think. No,

1999
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: it's not near as bad. Um. We definitely have hunts

2000
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 1: that are messed up. I mean, it happens frequently, but

2001
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: most of the time it's honest. You know, it's not

2002
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: somebody intentionally screwing you up. You gotta keep that in

2003
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: the back of your mind. It's not just you that's

2004
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: out there me. You're sharing this resource with everybody else.

2005
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 1: And uh, once you accept that, it actually is pretty cool,

2006
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, um, because you can work together with those

2007
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: guys if you have an open mind. Um, you can.

2008
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 1: Especially in our situation, we run in a non residence

2009
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: all the time, and they want to know, like good

2010
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 1: places to go hunting because they've been waiting for a

2011
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 1: long time to draw the tag. So why not help

2012
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: him out? You know, we have the luxury of living

2013
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: here and scat it all. So we help him out

2014
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot of times and tell them give them some

2015
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: pointers on maybe where to try to go, and uh,

2016
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 1: more times than not they returned the favor and they

2017
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: tell us what they saw and like it helps us

2018
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: down the road. People just have that And yeah, people

2019
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,759
Speaker 1: have that misconception that that hunting pressure is is bad

2020
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: and that it can that it can ruin things. It can.

2021
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 1: But when you really think about archery hunting pressure during

2022
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: bow season, most of the time it's just a it's

2023
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: just one guy going into an area hunting it, climbing

2024
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,679
Speaker 1: down and leaving. It's not like it is a gun

2025
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: season when there's two dozen in a group that are

2026
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 1: just wide swath going across you know everything and and

2027
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: form for the most part and most of the seasons

2028
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: that we have in in the White Tail States, the

2029
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: gun season is pretty short and placed towards the end

2030
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 1: of the season most of the time. And and the

2031
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,560
Speaker 1: like I mentioned before, the pressure a two yards is

2032
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: a long way to abeded deer. Yeah, yeah, it's it's

2033
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: a nice situation. You guys have an Iowa with that

2034
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: late gun season. Um, I know, in Michigan or even

2035
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: your homestead of Missouri, that mid November opener is kind

2036
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: of a bummer. But when you don't have that, You're right,

2037
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: you can definitely take advantage of much less pressure during

2038
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: this time periods, that's for sure. Yeah. And the good

2039
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: thing with Missouri is that the season opens early. Know,

2040
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: you can hunt one of September, whereas we can only

2041
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: hunt on the first here in October. And if you're

2042
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: onto this buck betting stuff, uh she may find that

2043
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: hunting that first two weeks of them the very season

2044
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: is more productive for you than hunting hunting the rut.

2045
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: Really early season is often overlooked, that's for sure. Oh yeah,

2046
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: so I've got I've got one final question for you.

2047
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: We've we've taken a lot of time of your time

2048
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: here but you've got a unique opportunity I think in

2049
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: that you get to, you know, work closely with someone

2050
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 1: like Bill Wink. You obviously has a lot of knowledge

2051
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 1: and experience and perspective when it comes to white tail hunting.

2052
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 1: And then you also be able to do these things

2053
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: that are different than kind of what Bill does these

2054
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: days and work with some other people on the public

2055
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 1: side and hunting in this type of different way. I'm curious,

2056
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 1: on one hand, what do you think is the greatest

2057
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: lesson you learned from Bill about white tail hunting? And

2058
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: then number two, what do you think is the biggest thing,

2059
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,599
Speaker 1: if any, that he's learned from you guys, or has

2060
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: anything he's thought previously been proved wrong by your experiences. Oh,

2061
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um that I'd be a hard conversation

2062
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,719
Speaker 1: to have with me and him. I'd say, um, yeah,

2063
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: he I think he said it in an ask Winky

2064
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: not long ago. He said that those guys kind of

2065
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 1: do their thing and I kind of do mind, And

2066
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 1: that's probably true. Um, you know, and we have our

2067
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: opinions and to how you know the deer move around

2068
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: on his property, because we've done a lot of time

2069
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 1: out there and he's got his own. Um. But you know,

2070
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: like we were talking earlier, you don't you don't have

2071
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: to hunt one way to harvest uh good buck or

2072
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: to kill deer, do do anything. That's the beauty of

2073
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: what we do is you can you can skin the

2074
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: cat a million different ways. And I guess, uh, yeah,

2075
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how much he's taken away

2076
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:58,559
Speaker 1: from what we do on what we do on public.

2077
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 1: He told me the other day that he that he

2078
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: would get if he went to hunt in public. He

2079
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 1: would just hang two trail cameras around the woods until

2080
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: he started picking up the day like mover. I was

2081
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:10,679
Speaker 1: just like, good luck, You're not gonna have very many

2082
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 1: cameras in a few weeks. But uh, but yeah, I

2083
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: mean that's that just goes along with our with our

2084
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: point that we made earlier in the podcast of you

2085
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: know you you just uh you try to adapt to

2086
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: lots of different methods and and take little bits and

2087
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: pieces from every one of them and and try to

2088
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: sharpen your own skills. But any anything that you've taken

2089
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: from Bill, oh yeah, I mean his access theories are

2090
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: all are all proven true. Um. And that was sort

2091
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: of whenever I was first watching Midwest White Tail like

2092
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight, you know, before I'd

2093
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: even got here. That was one of the things that

2094
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: you know that I made a lot of sense with

2095
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: and identified with back in those days, you know, using

2096
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,719
Speaker 1: using a creek to your advantage or a ditch or

2097
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um. You know, he's wrote, I think

2098
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 1: he's written a couple of books on that, um, that

2099
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:15,240
Speaker 1: tactic and strategy. Now here's the rub whenever you start

2100
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: thinking about that as far as buck's bed and how

2101
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: they bed, um, if you if you marar those two

2102
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: strategies together, you start to realize that some of these creeks,

2103
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: some of these ditches are buck betting. You know, they

2104
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: bed right there in the ditch or right along it,

2105
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe not in in a lot of situations.

2106
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 1: So that that tactic and strategy still works. And that's

2107
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: something that we employ all the time. But as I

2108
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, if you can if you can anticipate where

2109
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 1: those bucks are gonna bed, you're gonna know how to

2110
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 1: get in and out of those areas. And then if

2111
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: you use those that creaks and ditches strategy that he

2112
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 1: kind of coined years ago to your advantage and move

2113
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: around those bucks and places where you can't be seen,

2114
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 1: you can, you can definitely get in tight on them,

2115
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: and that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, you guys

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Speaker 1: just bumped a couple of nice bucks out of the

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Speaker 1: creek earlier this month scouting, didn't you. I think I

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Speaker 1: just saw a video showing that. Yep, yep, And that

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Speaker 1: was a unique situation. Like like we continue saying, every

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Speaker 1: every place is different, and every spot is different. That

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Speaker 1: location we've been in a drought, as you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: not so much in the last week we've had rain,

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Speaker 1: but back when we were scouting that creek, we were

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Speaker 1: in a pretty severe drought. And when I got to

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Speaker 1: that creek, I noticed it still had water in it.

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Speaker 1: It was the first creek that I'd seen in almost

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Speaker 1: a month that had water in Everything else had been

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Speaker 1: dry on all these different areas. And as soon as

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Speaker 1: we noticed there was water, and we started picking up

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Speaker 1: buck tracks in the creek, and I looked at Brody,

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Speaker 1: the intern who was who was filming with me that day,

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Speaker 1: and we both were like, you know, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: bucks in here, probably right on top of the creek,

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Speaker 1: and no more than ten seconds later we crept around

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Speaker 1: the corner. Sure enough, one got up out of the

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Speaker 1: brush pile. He's betted in the creek and moved off.

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Speaker 1: But there was a reason he was better there, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was it was so dry

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Speaker 1: and it was drowning so bad that all those bucks

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Speaker 1: moved right down on the creek. It's hot, so they

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Speaker 1: want to be right next to that water where that

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Speaker 1: that ground moisture kind of keeps the temperature a little

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Speaker 1: bit cooler. And he was in a in a spot

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Speaker 1: up up against a brush pile where he could look

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Speaker 1: up and down that creek and he saw us coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that brings up a good point, which is

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Speaker 1: to always realize to always ask why whenever you see something,

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Speaker 1: whether that be a trail camera photo or an observation

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Speaker 1: while you're hunting or something while scouting. It's not enough

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Speaker 1: just to see the thing. You also want to ask why.

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Speaker 1: And you just described the why there for that deer.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a great just surminder for all

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01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: of us to to always take a step back from

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Speaker 1: the observation and then try to understand the bigger picture,

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01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: because the bigger picture is what tells the story. Oh yeah,

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01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 1: especially with matured bucks and even mature does like if

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01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,799
Speaker 1: they do something, they're probably doing it for a reason.

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01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, once you start figuring figuring that that out,

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Speaker 1: just by asking yourself that question, like you said, it

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Speaker 1: will definitely help you. Yeah. Well, Aaron, this is uh,

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Speaker 1: this has been a lot of fun. I know you've

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01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: got stuff that you should be getting to get scouting

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01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 1: to do, or stands to hang with a season coming up,

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Speaker 1: so we'll let you go. Um, but if people want

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Speaker 1: to stay up to data and all the different things

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Speaker 1: you guys have going on, Um, where can they go

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01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 1: on line to find everything? Um, just check it out

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Speaker 1: at Midwest yitel dot com. We've always got new stuff

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01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: going up there. I think the first episode just came out. Um,

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Speaker 1: what today's Monday, isn't it. Yeah, yes, yeah, just came

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Speaker 1: out today for the this fall. So you can check

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01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 1: out everything there on our Facebook page or Instagram. We're

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01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: always posting new stuff whenever we whenever we get in

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Speaker 1: the field and try to keep everybody kind of updated

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01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 1: throughout the fall. So awesome. Well, we'll make sure to

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Speaker 1: have links on the website for all that stuff. And

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Speaker 1: uh man I appreciate you taking the time and do this, Aaron,

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Speaker 1: and good luck this season. Thanks Mark, you too, and

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Speaker 1: there you go, folks. Episode number one sixty five is

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Speaker 1: in the book. And before we go, though, I want

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Speaker 1: to send out a big thanks to our partners at

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Speaker 1: Sitka Gear, Yetie Cooler's Matthews Archery, Maytheon Optics, the White

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Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terror Maps.

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Speaker 1: And finally, of course, thank you all for listening. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. I hope you got a kick out of

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Speaker 1: our public land discussions today. Until next time, stay what

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Speaker 1: you're to hunt.