1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey guys, friends, Norman's Countrymen back on. Normally this is 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: the show with normal and she takes for when the 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: news gets weird. But this week heavy On takes lighter 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: on news as we do. An Ama, I am here 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: as always with Carol Marco. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: It's nice to see you guys. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: And I'm Mary Kesenham. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, I feel like we missed 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: something there. 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: It's okay, the order was off. It's a special week right. 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: Well for those who can't see Mary Catherine's and her 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: special Christmas jammis, which you know, I have to tell 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: you there's there's definitely some things that Jews cove it 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: from Christmas. 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: Comfy cute jammys are right up there. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the full matching deal too, all the cousins. 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: My husband was in the matching set last night, so 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: it's awesome. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: I mean we also my kids talk about it. They're like, 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 2: you know, we. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: Could have lights. It's not nothing Christmas spelled lights. It's 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: just lights, hot chocolate. A lot of little things around 24 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 3: Christmas are very appealing to us. 25 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Yes. Well, and also I think I believe it was 26 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: John put Hoortz who told me he was like it's 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: actually kind of a great deal. We get all the 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: beauty and like the sort of adjacent joy and write 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: all of this stuff the trappings a bit of Christmas 30 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: without the stress of Christmas. Yeah, I see that. I 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: see that. 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, let's get into it. 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: We have some good questions, we have some bad questions, 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: we have some questionable questions. 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: You know, let's start with a nice one, because we're nice. 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: People are nice. It's the holidays, so we'll talk about 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: all the different questions we got. But here's a good one. 38 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: I've always respected how you both maintain your cool and 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: still communicate serious and disheartening info. Would you say, in 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: addition to your professionalism, this is also your temperament coming across. 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: I've been a fangirl of both you independently for many years, 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: cheering you both on in your personal professional lives. Your 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: podcast together makes complete sense. Happy Knaga and Merry Christmas. 44 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: Blessings to you and your families. 45 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: People are so good. Isn't that a nice question? Yeah, no, 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: good one. Would you say it's our temperaments? I think yes, 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: I do think yes. 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: I think that what drew me to you early, early 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: on is that you were a happy warrior. We were 50 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: both in the conservative movement, but we weren't angry about it, 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: and we enjoyed humor that was very big, and we 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: liked making each other laugh, and so right off the bat, 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: I think we became friends over that and it's grown 54 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: from there. Actually, one of the early things that Mary 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: Catherine and I did together, I mean we were already 56 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: friends at this point, but on one of the nine 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: to eleven conspiracy theories had grown really big, right shortly 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: after nine to eleven. They're way bigger than you know 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: they are now. They were kind of hitting the mainstream 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: almost I don't know, actually they're bigger than. 61 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: They are now. 62 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: That is a very conspiratorial moment. But we did this 63 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: thing where we went to the nine to eleven site 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: and we passed out pamphlets and said the truth about 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, and inside it was like the official story, 66 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: just the truth. 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Right. 68 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: So we've done fun stuff like that. 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, I think our temperaments really do 70 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: match up. 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I agree. I do think in our early days of 72 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: blogging and such, when we first met, I was like, 73 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a person who also knows 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: a few rap lyrics and has been to a few clubs, 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's like someone that I need 76 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: to talk to. And then, of course, since we became moms, 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: you're one of the group of moms that I wish 78 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: lived closer to me, so we could mom together because 79 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: we have similar philosophies. So we've sort of grown over 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: this arc together, I would say. And then I think 81 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm just a generally optimistic person, even when intellectually I'm 82 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: looking at a situation and going this is very bad. 83 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: So the combination sort of makes for a level headed 84 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: take on news even when it can be very bad. 85 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes you can be two level headed and optimistic. Frankly, sure. 86 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: One of the things I say about American exceptionalism is like, 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: we are exceptional, but if we stop acting exceptionally, when 88 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: does that run out? Like that credit runs out at 89 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: some point, And so that's uh. I sort of admonish 90 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: myself sometimes for you know, not taking things maybe enough seriously. 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes Yeah, but I do. 92 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: I hear, we I can't help you, right, I mean, 93 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 3: finding the humor in things in bad situations is definitely 94 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: what I'm all about. And I'm also very optimistic, So 95 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: I think we come together on the optimism and making 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: fun of everything. 97 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: It's true, hard hitting culinary question. 98 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: Mary Catherine, I know you're a fellow Southerner and Bojangles 99 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: fan feeling on biscuits and gravy. Has Carol ever been 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: blessed by this Southern delicacy? Big fan of the pod 101 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: and getting hand. I'm from Huntsville, Alabama, Roll Tide to MK. 102 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: I will forgive the role tide in this situation. 103 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: I thought that would be nice. 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: No, it's okay, it's okay. We're all sec here. I 105 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: will allow it. I feel like when you get to 106 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: the mid Atlantic and you're out of the sec you 107 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: do find more more camaraderie with former rivals because we're all, 108 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, displaced sort of. But yeah, so biscuits and gravy. 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: I've actually had a journey on this, and I would 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: like to say that I am remiss and I've never 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: taken Carol to Bojngles. We have done waffle House, but 112 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: not Bojanngles, so I will correct that. However, when I 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: was young, I did not like biscuits and gravy. I 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, why are we putting white gravy on biscuits? 115 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: That seems weird. I'm not a fan. And then at 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: some point, I don't know, in my older wiser years, 117 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: I tried it again and was like, this is amazing, 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: This is amazing. Why why would anyone not eat this? 119 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: So I feel like I might ruined my cred by 120 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: saying at one point I did not like biscuits and gravy. 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: But it's true. As a child, I was not into it. 122 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love biscuits and gravy. 123 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: I'm actually this is this is the really controversial take 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: in general. 125 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: I'm not a huge gravy fan, white or brown. 126 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: It's fine, it's good, but people go a little crazy 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: for it, like it's it becomes a whole cult thing. 128 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: I like it. It's good. But the biscuits the key 129 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: thing for me there. I could have biscuits without gravy, 130 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I saw, I hear you. 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: I I but yeah, it's a great dish. 132 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: Actually, some of the best biscuits. 133 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: And gravy I've had was in Tallahassee, Florida, which if 134 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: you don't know Florida, which I didn't before moving here, 135 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: the further north you go in Florida, the more south you. 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Are, Yeah, Tallahassee is like, like, if I were to 137 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: move to Florida, I would be in the Panhandle. That's 138 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: like South Georgia. 139 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: It's just the same for me, right, So that's h 140 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: They have some really good biscuits and gravy in Tallahassee. 141 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: There's two places that I've had my favorite biscuits and gravy. 142 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: One is in the middle of virgin which is a 143 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: little further north than you would think for a great 144 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: biscuits and gravy. But this little tiny restaurant, it's like 145 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: one of these you know hole in the wall side 146 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: of the road places, has an entire menu section for 147 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: gravy related items that is just entitled gravy. So you know, 148 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: they take it very seriously. So that one's great. And 149 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: then another one a friend of mine who lives in 150 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: New Jersey. No I'm not kidding. He's an Italian in 151 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: New Jersey and he makes biscuits and gravy homemade. And 152 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sure this is fine, right, So 153 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: I go up there, very snobby, visit my friend. He 154 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: makes biscuits and gravy, and it was fantastic and I 155 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: had to eat my words. 156 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, in New Jersey, what can they not make 157 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: tastes electable. 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: They are our culinary betters. 159 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: He did a bang up job. I was not mad 160 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: at it at all. 161 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: Will be right back on normally. 162 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I always like these, and I'm going to throw it 163 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: to you first, Carol, what's your best mom hat? 164 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: I think lazy parenting. 165 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: I coin that phrase somewhere along the way is the 166 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: best way to go. You cannot be overly involved in 167 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: your children's lives. I know that that is completely opposite 168 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: to what we all are told all the time, But 169 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: I think what makes momming so enjoyable for me and 170 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: I love being a parent so much. I really I 171 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: never imagined I would enjoy having children as much. 172 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: As I do. I think a lot of it is 173 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm not like a helicopter parent. 174 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: I'm not hanging over them, monitoring their every second. 175 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: We talk a lot in our family. 176 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: We give them a lot of basics, a lot of foundations, 177 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: but we'd set them free to do. 178 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: Their own thing. 179 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: And especially living in Florida, we've gotten to where they 180 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: just you know, run free, and they ride their bikes 181 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: and they come home whenever. 182 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: They're living a very Generation X. 183 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: Existence in a very whatever jed alpha world. That they're 184 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: in now, and other than the language with their skimmity toilet, Ohio, 185 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: it's very much like my childhood. Yes, less like they're 186 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: allowed to come into the house. 187 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: That's really the difference. 188 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard skibbty so many times on the way 189 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: to West Virginia in the mountains, which is where I 190 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: am now, and the older children were teaching the younger 191 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: children to say skimmity toilet, So that's a nice addition. 192 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I have a similar hack, which is basically, you should 193 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: ignore your children more often, like at the playground when 194 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: they're in your home, when they're out in the neighborhood. 195 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: You should send them out in the neighborhood to explore. 196 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: And we do the same thing, which is I feel 197 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: grateful that we have a neighborhood where we can do 198 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: that and nobody calls CPS on us. But I think 199 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: our kids have encouraged other families to have their kids 200 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: come out and play as well because they they do that. 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: And I always tell parents of particularly two young kids, 202 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: when they're adding a new kid, the key to not 203 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: having to hover over your children is that you must 204 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: ignore your toddlers for twenty minutes and when you've ignored 205 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: your toddlers for twenty minutes, they will play with each 206 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: other toddlers slash young children, and then they start to 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: figure out how to do that. But if you're always there, 208 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: do not figure out how to do that. 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 210 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: If you're always trying to kind of coordinate their play, 211 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: they never learn how to do it themselves. 212 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: And actually, on my other show, I get it, people 213 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: ask me. 214 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: For advice, and I feel like a lot of the 215 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: advice recently has been like, how do I help my 216 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: college age kid make friends or not even college. One 217 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: of them was like sixteen, Like they have friends, how 218 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: do I help them coordinate sort of play dates? 219 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: And if your kid has reached sixteen. 220 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: And doesn't know how to coordinate their own kind of friendships, 221 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: it's tough. And I see this a lot because people 222 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: really don't let their kids find their own path and 223 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: they want to make everything easier for them. I get that, 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: you know, especially if you've had a difficult life, you 225 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: want to make things easier for your kids. 226 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: But the easier you make it for them, the harder 227 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: you're making it for them. 228 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it's all paradoxical because I think you're right. I 229 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: enjoy parenting because I do less proact it, like, less 230 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: involved in freaked out parenting, right, and so it just 231 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: becomes more enjoyable for that reason. An extreme version of 232 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: letting your kids do what they want to do on 233 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: their own is that I took my three year old 234 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: to the snow tubing hill at Snowshoe this week and 235 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: my husband I decided she's like quite game for such things, 236 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, I think she'll be fine. And 237 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: then we went up there and I was like, I'm 238 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: sure there's a way that she can ride in the 239 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: tube with me, or I'll tether to her. There's some 240 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: sort of situation. Instead of sending a three year old 241 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: down the hill by herself, it did not send. 242 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: A three year old down the hill down the hill yourself. 243 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Actually, we can play a clip of it because you 244 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: can hear her having the absolute time of her life. Yeah, 245 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: she was so unafraid, and I don't know what that 246 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: means for her future, but she for an hour and 247 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: a half in seventeen degree weather, ten degree weather, she 248 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: did the hill and over and over again. So awesome. 249 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: I have faith in your three year old. Your three 250 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: year old's gonna be fine. 251 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: She's a she's quite a character. I was just like 252 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: bracing for watching her like pop out of the tube 253 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: like a cork at some point, and she didn't. 254 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's great, all right, and it is some 255 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: good parenting, and that is a good Heck, let your 256 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: kids be free. 257 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: Here's a good one. Do you have any advice for 258 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: the politically engaged who are seeking rest during the holiday season? 259 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get off the internet. 260 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: It's such an easy one and such a hard one 261 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: because I get it. 262 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm also such a X addict. 263 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: I wake up, I open my eyes, I reached my phone, 264 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: and the first thing I do is check X. And 265 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: I think the main thing for me is when I 266 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: take these breaks, and I do take like two or 267 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: three breaks a year. I don't announce it, which is 268 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: right away. Once you announce it, you're like looking for 269 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 3: everybody to be like, oh no, don't go or a break. 270 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've engagement farmed by announcing, and then you're going 271 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: to get all the all the responses yes. 272 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: And you're gonna keep checking. Don't announce it. Just take 273 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: your break. Nobody needs to know. And the second thing 274 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: is take it off of your phone. This is a 275 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: big one for me. Because and you know it's wild 276 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: is your finger will still go to the spot where 277 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: the app used to be and just kind of try 278 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: to find it, and you're like, oh, it's not there, 279 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: and it's It really shows. 280 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: How addicted we are because your finger. 281 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: Takes a while to get used to not just clicking 282 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: the blank space. 283 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: It's true. One of this is sort of adjacent to 284 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: the or connected to the parenting question, because I try 285 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: to keep my kids fairly screen free, which is why 286 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: they are able to explore and come up with new 287 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: games to play. But I do not model good behavior 288 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: in this area, and so overbreaks I do attempt to, yeah, 289 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: like shut it down. And if I'm posting on social media, 290 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: it's generally something Anna dine, like a picture of my 291 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: dog in the snow, just so we can keep it chill. Sure, 292 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: and I stay basically aware of things, but I don't 293 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: want to get into the details. I actually tweeted the 294 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: other day that my professional need to understand the continuing 295 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: resolution fight was at odds with my normy need to 296 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: just wrap so many presents, and I the presents were winning. 297 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: The presents were winning that day. 298 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: And you know a lot of the time, I mean 299 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: of course, important things happen, but a lot of times 300 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: you'll miss the story of the week and you'll realize 301 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: how little it matters. 302 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: Yes, I think one that I missed. 303 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: I don't remember what Nikki Haley said exactly, but during 304 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: the primary campaign she said something about like world War two. 305 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, and I never found it out. 306 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: I just I completely missed the controversy that went on 307 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: for a while, and when I came back online, it 308 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: was like it was like the remnants of it, and 309 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: so I couldn't pick up what was happening, and I 310 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: was like, forget it, It's fine. 311 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have I ever told you my metaphor for this? 312 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: What was the soap opera that you watched as a 313 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: kid or that your mom watched? 314 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: Well, I mean all of them, honestly, in the summertime, 315 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: when there was nobody there to oversee me, it was 316 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: young and the restless days of our lives, building the 317 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: beautiful all my children, I mean all of them. 318 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: So I was a days of days of our lives galants. 319 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: I think that people who are politically engaged and who 320 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: are newsjake junkies are like really serious days of our lives. 321 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Fans who are like, something very important is happening every 322 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: single day, and people who don't watch soap operas like, 323 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that something important is happening every single day. 324 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: And what they do is they tune in every four 325 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: years and they find out that like Hope and Bow 326 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: are still're going off again, and like, oh yeah, you know, 327 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: Defino is still evil and we're all going to figure 328 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: it out. And so that is the life you're living. 329 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: And just you know, just become a person who's not 330 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: a super fan for a couple of weeks. It's good 331 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: for you. 332 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. And you could tune back in anytime. 333 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: That's the beauty of soap operas and our political system anytime. 334 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: It's right there. 335 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: Waiting for you to come back and figure out what's 336 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: going on in the plot. 337 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Should we do a. 338 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Serious one, We're a more serious one. Let's see great 339 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Trump's cabinet appointments. 340 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Perhaps, Okay, So like my head, now my head has 341 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: to re engage with things that I've forgotten in the 342 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: past five days. I mean, I would say my top 343 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: one is probably doctor j Abouditaria from uh Stanford, just 344 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: because of the poetic justice of that appointment to NIH too, 345 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the stead of the guy who tried 346 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: to smear him during the COVID days for being a 347 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: COVID COVID contrarian or COVID realist. Really is what he was. 348 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: So that's like an A plus plus for me just 349 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: to watch. 350 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: Oh, she's so great, Yeah happen. 351 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: And he's just a very very very good person and 352 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: a very smart person and a thoughtful person. And I 353 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: have no doubts about his performance in that position, So 354 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: that would be like number one for me. 355 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 356 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: I overall, I would say I am extremely pleasantly surprised 357 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: because we talked about this, like we weren't necessarily the 358 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: target audience, and we feel very good about his picks. 359 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 3: I think he catered to a lot of different demographics. 360 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: Of course, saying that I don't like Diremer the Labor 361 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: Secretary pick, I want to see Republicans grow a spine 362 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: and vote him down. 363 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: You know, she's just far left and her. 364 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 3: Policies are not in line with the Republican Party, so 365 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: why would they vote. 366 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: Yes for her? Well, yeah, I was gonna say, I get. 367 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: A lot of the arguments like let Trump do what 368 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: he wants to do. He was elected in you know, 369 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: this land side. He won every single swing state. I 370 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: fully understand. 371 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: But when there's conversation. 372 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 3: About Republicans will vote down some of his nominees, and 373 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: the conversation turns like Pete Hegsath, I'm like, no, no, 374 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 3: let's focus on the far left labor secretary and that's 375 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: the one you vote down. 376 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: Well, and like I think you know, they'll make the 377 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: argument that she's a move to endear more labor voters 378 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: to Republicans, But she's a pick for labor leadership. She's 379 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: not exact for labor rank and file. We can do 380 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: plenty with labor rank and file, which is the group 381 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: of the labor leaning vote that is already coming to 382 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: our side. So I don't think she's necessary for that. 383 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: And I just think the judgment to back the pro Act, 384 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: which is this just awful California legislation that they want 385 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: to nationalize that has been disastrous already in California, is 386 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: just such terrible judgment and bad economics, and ugh, no, 387 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: thank you. 388 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: Right exactly, I mean again, Randy Winegarden is happy. 389 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren is happy. That's all I need to know 390 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: to be unhappy. 391 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I'm in like a B range 392 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: for overall feelings about Trump picks. But I think, as 393 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: you said, I come into it with a realistic expectation 394 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: that I am an ideological conservative and not all of 395 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: these picks are designed to be for me, absolutely, and 396 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: that the president does have significant leeway and should have 397 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: significant lee way in picking people, and you ask tough 398 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: questions and then you take the vote. So I'm comfortable 399 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: with that process for a lot of these folks, and 400 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: I haven't been appalled as often I thought I might be. 401 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I'm in the same place. 402 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 3: I would say, more like a because I only really 403 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: don't like the Labor Secretary and the surgeon general in general. 404 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: There are some peripheral people that I'm questionable on but 405 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: not anti so in general, I'm I really am a 406 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 3: to as and I feel pretty good about it. 407 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right 408 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: back with normally. 409 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: So a question we got several times, and because it's anonymous, 410 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: we really don't know if it's like the same person asking, 411 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: you know, seven questions about this, but we got a 412 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: lot of questions about are you worried that the US 413 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: will become an oligarchy controlled by Elon Musk and others 414 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: like him, and then someone else actually maybe it's not 415 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: the same person, because someone else said, why is Elon 416 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: Musk so involved in decisions? 417 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: Now? 418 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: I like him and a lot of what he stands for, 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: but he is not president. Got to say that. I 420 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: think Elon Musk was part of the package. And if 421 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: you watched the. 422 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: Trump campaign unfold, Elon Musk on stage with him constantly, 423 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: Elon Musk saying that he's going to, you know, have 424 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: this doge thing where they're going to reduce the amount 425 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: that government spends. I don't think that anyone should be 426 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: surprised that you Elon Musk is super involved in this government. 427 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: Going back to what we were just talking about, where 428 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: this is not all for us, there were people in 429 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 3: the Trump orbit who were on stage with him all 430 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: the time who I understood would be part of his world. 431 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: I've talked about before. I'm not a huge Vivek fan. 432 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: I'm suspicious of RFK, but there was no part of 433 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: me that thought, oh, when Trump gets elected, these guys 434 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: are not part of the scene. 435 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: Obviously they will be. So Elon was part of the package. Personally, 436 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: I love what Elon. 437 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: Is doing every time he talks, and people get mad 438 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: when he talks about like cutting all kinds of things 439 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: in government. I'm for it. I think that we have 440 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 3: a ton of waste and Elon is singularly focused on 441 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: cutting that waste. A lot of people are going to 442 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: be mad, a lot of you know, projects and kind 443 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: of friendly pairings are going to be torn here. 444 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: And that's good. 445 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: I tweeted recently, I have a tipster who wrote to 446 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: me about how just one federal prison operates and they 447 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: basically get computers every X number of years, but they 448 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: get them so often that the last batch of computers, 449 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 3: the new batch arrived and the last batch got thrown 450 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: out in their boxes because they're also not allowed to 451 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: give them away or sell them or anything like that, 452 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: so they had to throw them away. That's just I know, 453 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: it's a blip, it's a nothing. It's a tiny, little 454 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: little nothing of the amount of money that our government spends. 455 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: But imagine that across tons of agencies, imagine that just 456 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: across tons of prisons. We're in a bad spot. I 457 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: like Elon being there to fix it. 458 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think you're right. This was a truth 459 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: and advertising thing. Where we knew he was going to 460 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: be involved. Unlike, as our friends Scott Jennings pointed out 461 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: on CNN, much to everyone's dismay, the last four years 462 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: were unelected people have been running the country and we 463 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: were not told about any of that. So I think 464 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: this was very clear that he was part of the deal. 465 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: And the thing that even when I have very serious 466 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: issues with Trump, what he's doing, he's doing out loud. Yeah, 467 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: and so you have an idea of a what you're 468 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: getting into, and be just what he's up to because 469 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: he's saying whatever he's thinking right out loud in the moment. 470 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: I also better or worse, right, I mean better or worse. 471 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: So, yeah, exactly, And that's the difference between like when 472 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: he does these press conferences. Look, a lot of the 473 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: things he says in press conferences could be liabilities, right, 474 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: but he's just telling you. So I appreciate that part 475 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: of it, and I think Elon is part of that. 476 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I also, with a beast like the federal government, I 477 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: like to have a creative thinker who has changed the 478 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: way that things have been done in very frankly amazing 479 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: ways in industries that needed to be modernized and to 480 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: bring that to this table, I think is good. He 481 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: also brings that to the table while having a huge 482 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: platform to talk about it. Right, and freedom of speech, 483 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: as we've seen with George Soros and his son actually 484 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: extends two billionaires. They're allowed to do things with their 485 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: money and with their speech to influence politics. This is 486 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: nothing new. And again it's right out loud, it's in 487 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: your face. He's saying exactly what he wants, very obviously, 488 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: not working in some smoke filled room. And I think 489 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: he's bringing attention to things like you're pointing out, Carol, 490 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: that people don't even know happen in government. 491 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: That's right. 492 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: There's so many things that happen in government that are 493 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: so on their face ridiculous, and normal people, if they 494 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: knew they were happening, would be appalled. For instance, like 495 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: the cr battle where they say, why don't we split 496 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: this up and vote on each thing so that a 497 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: cancer pediatric cancer research funding just gets approved? And normal 498 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: people go, you guys, weren't splitting those up before? 499 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: Right? 500 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: Why weren't you doing that already? 501 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? And all of Washington is like, yeah, we couldn't 502 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: possibly split them up. 503 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 2: Right, No, there's no way to do that. 504 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 3: How else we can get our special projects in that 505 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: nobody wants to fund and that nobody would understand why 506 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: we're doing this. 507 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: How else did that happen? 508 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: Mary Gatherin, You have to use the pediatric cancer research 509 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: funding to do that. 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 2: Exactly. 511 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know again, I think Elon, I'm a fan, 512 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: I'm glad he's there, and I would love to see results. 513 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: I am cautiously optimistic because you know, when I posted 514 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: this story about this one prison, a lot of the 515 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: comments I got were like, oh. 516 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: Whatever, it's just like one hundred thousand dollars. You know, 517 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: who cares? I care, I care, I care, I get it. 518 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: It's only one hundred thousand dollars and a billion billions 519 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: and billions of dollar budget. But we have to start somewhere, 520 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: and we have to start making these changes because you know, 521 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars here, one hundred thousand dollars there. 522 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: Soon you're talking about real money. 523 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the way I like to think about it is, 524 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: how many families in this country have never seen one 525 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars? 526 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: Yes? 527 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: Yes, how many have never come close to one hundred 528 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in one pot right, yep. And we tell them, oh, 529 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: this is nothing, this is a rounding error, and they're like, 530 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what right? Every single one of those dollars 531 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: and one hundred thousand dollars rounding errors is stolen from American 532 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: people and their grandkids. That's if you're not using it right, 533 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: you have taken it from them and you shouldn't. 534 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 2: Have That's absolutely right. Yeah. 535 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: Well, on that bright note, we're going to optimistic. 536 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Right. 537 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: We are optimistic. 538 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: We're just you know, cautiously optimistic. Thank you for joining 539 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: us on this very special episode of Normally. We hope 540 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: your family has a very merry Christmas, Happy Knago, whatever 541 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: you celebrate. 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